FINLAND HAPPENING

>>129721291
bump for important issue

>>129721291
WTF, GIVE US A SOURCE NOW

Quick rundown?

>>129721710
the sides of ww3 are forming
also
>muh russian boogeyman

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>>129721710
>>129721682
>>129721597
True Finns party, which was in the government together with Kokoomus and Keskusta, recently elected a new chairman.

The new chairman is a know anti-immigration hardliner but generally considered to have common sense, however his vice-chairmen are complete nutters.

The former True Finn leadership who lost the chairman election are currently ministers (e.g. foreign minister, defence minister), and reacted very negatively to this. The other parties in government also do not want to include the new chairman and his allies in the leadership of the country.

So the former leaders of the true finns (who are currently in minister positions), left en masse from True Finns and formed their own party.

The current government has no legitimacy, creating uncertainty who runs the country. The president (different from parliament) has used the Finnish military formed a de-facto Junta, bypassing the parliament and is now taking Finland to Nato. The guys sitting there are random NCOs who are just there to press the "yes" button.

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>>129721291
Will the Finnish general public sit by and just watch this happen or do you think the Fins will actually do something when the Government won't listen to the people ?

>>129721291
nump

>>129721682
http://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/201706132200204669_u0.shtml It's in Finnish use google translate

>Not wanting to be protected by glorious Uncle Sam's shitkickers

Why won't you just be annexed instead?

>>129723520
>people shit themselves in this thread

god bless

>>129721291
>he doesn't want to die for based Israel

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Finally, a country in NATO worth dying for.

>>129721291
>we are forcefully about to enter NATO
Can we remove Turkey now?

>>129722337
you think military alliance with Russia is possible when Estonia will still function as sovereign state?

>>129723198
So the Military took over the country then is that correct ?

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It's time to target ICBMs on Helsinki.

>Every time the same thing.
Attacked Russia - lost the war - recovered - fanning the situation - attaked Russia. The cycle continues. Enough!

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>>129723520
>trusting finnish msm
>ever

did you read junkkaris hesari-column? they were setting up halla-aho (guy now voted in power in the old true finns party) as a scapegoat for all this, like he was going for martyrdom all along.

this isnt the first time HS is showing their globalist kikery, they blocked their journalists from publishing anti-EU material back in the 2000's..

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>>129723198
is this really what happened

Bump. This seems nuts

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Have a bump

>>129724233
I'm not talking about an alliance with Russia
I'm talking about the pointless fearmongering when there is none.
Russia won't invade us or the finns.

>>129721291
>war with Russia draws closer.

>>129724846
If you drop the part about military, yea

how do i get a zany flag

>>129726578
Click the option that says geographic location when you make a post.

>Finngols
Who cares?

Finland can't join NATO. It's somewhat competent and can probably organise a company level exercise without stealing everything not bolted to the floor or gassing someone out with diesel fumes

>>129721291
LARP Thread.

You had my hopes up

Binlan nooooo :DDDDDDD

>>129726772
Do I need to turn 4chanX off?

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Vasemmisto/left 2019

>>129727064
Yeah

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>>129721291
Is she safe?

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>>129727177
cheers

oh fugg :DD

>>129727243
Her name is Marja Jarvinen and when she turned 18 she moved to Spain and is now dating an Muslim.

I'm not kidding.

>>129721291
Bump

Uh oh i feel another Green Men invasion coming

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Yesterday an anon that claims to work for an intelligence agency said that shit was going to go down with russia sometime this year.

>>129727801
>chance to take back Finland

For the caliphate!

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ÄKKIÄ NATOON!!!111 SANO MINUN SANONEEN.... UGH OLEN PUHUNUT...

how do i post with a custom flag

HEADS WILL ROLL

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>>129727557
You broke my heart

>>129721291
welcome to slavery faggot, the US government will own you just like the rest of us

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>>129724465
Yeah laukkuryssa?

>>129728636
Finns are degenerate scum. They are breeding themselves out of existence.

I dated a Finn but dumped her when I discovered she once dated a Swede.

VITTU

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>>129721291
>willingly voting to be annexed by Russia
Enjoy hell

>>129729447
After the wedding night?

>>129728999
Nordics in general have by far the worst sexual degeneracy in the world. Finns, iirc, have an average of 14 partners, and other nordics are all in the double-digits.
I wish them well, but holy shit are they in deep.

>>129721291
The EU Army will save you from the evil Russians. This is good.

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>>129726227
so there isn't a coup?

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>>129721291
NO I DON'T WANT TO BE IN NATO.
NO.
>inhales
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>129729733

wow you literally have no compassion? wtf is wrong with you?


REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>129730486
Too bad. If Estonia is in NATO, you have to be in NATO. Welcome to being our bitch, bitch.

>>129729826
> shitskin hiding behind a nazi flag

>>129721291

>Georgia about to join NATO
>invaded by Russia on flimsy civil war pretext
>abandonned by the west, royally ass raped

>Ukraine trying to join the EU and probably NATO later
>invaded by russia on civil war pretext
>abandoned by the west, royally ass fucked

>Finland about to join NATO

Well I'm sure its going to go great for you.

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>mfw I hear nuclear weapon reload sounds coming from the neighborhood

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>>129730716
Yea, I don't think so.

>>129730896
Come on, Matti, you know it's true. We're in the same boat here, and this is a problem across all of the West.
Although I am mostly ethnic Russian, kek.

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>>129730897
Last time they had to tie 18-55y old males of Finnish population literally to trees in order to stop them go killing Russians.
You think every single finn is not itching total war with ruski homo?

>>129731764
NO MORE BROTHER WARS

Bump n spread

>>129731764
>Finland population: 5 million

hmmm

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>>129731167
>mfw we install WS3 nuke lockers at Kuopio-Rissala so we can vanish St. Petersburg in 11 minutes into WWIII

>>129725897
Unfortunadamente i cant be like 70% sure in that. I know Ukraine is a serious mess where amerikanski might be involved but Russia is agressor indeed. I also am very aware that there are Russians who do not respect Estonia and aim for suffering, hegemony play. But journalistically your statement is correct, there is way too much agenda for demonisation of Russia.

>>129731764
Finland is a small fry. Russia will just nuke them and move on.

>>129732469
Finland is more relevant than you shitskins will ever be.

common rules were effectively broken

common rules are there for all of finns, but it seems there are people in ruling parties who are completely corrupt, working for their invidual interests using power against other finns

if they do not follow rules, i wont follow rules. its civil war bois get ready.

>>129732469
Right sensei, they would nuke us surely and lose their St. Peterborough metropolitan if using over 20 kilo tons. No man it's face to face this time, puukkoo kylkeen.

>>129732469
>Finland is a small fry
>Aussie

Finland is 10x more important than Australia. Fuck off to Pine Gap.

>>129721291
Look at all those pure Aryan males

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>>129733057
>its civil war bois get ready.

Ready to fight for the Whites.

>>129724846
Mostly yes. Finnish government is so corrupt that when Halla-Aho, True Finn party chairman said he is ready to commit to cabinet papers the current governemtn said "fuck the cabinet papers, lets throw pacta sunt servanda in to the bin and disband the govt because we just can't commit to cabinet papers WE DESIGNED OURSELVES".


jejyubsfnia

>>129721291
>quick rundown required
Who's in the "wrong" and why are they in the wrong?

>>129721291
Hmm are you saying the Kekiistaaniiiiis can take over finland?

>>129733864
People have bad luck taking over Finland. Pyrrhic and shit.

FINNLAND YOU'RE GOOD AT DUI GO CRASH INTO THAT PARLIAMENT NOOOOWWWWW

I met a gril from here who lives in Finland
She wants to be my wife how do I get her out of the country in time?

I don't get it. Can someone format this as greentext? Which side are we on?

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I just started hearing nuclear missile loading sounds. Habbening imminent.

>>129734625
Yes the Kaiser will send troops, dont worry!

TANKS IN 30 MINUTES

>>129723848
Finland is not in NATO. I don't need flegs to know you're burger

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>>129734945
Good luck with that, Russia.

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>>129734997
Did you see the topic of this thread, Marko?

>>129735113
>I came here during the election the post

>>129734945
>tianamen square-like standoff in finland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgEr5raZt9Y

>>129734625
Rapid response command has neutralised two Russian border posts. Engagement ongoing.

>>129735290
braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap spittle shit

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>>129735653
>MySpace Angles

>>129735290
Do you know why Finland is not in NATO?

Because then Russia will attack them.
Just like Ukraine.

And it's not winter now. So Russians should do much better.

>>129721291
Is it true finns fuck their moms at 18? Seems like made up bs

>>129734179
>not wanting to be in a military Junta country

are you nuts? best thing ever faggot

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>>129735792
>Topic of post: Finland about to join NATO

I'm just saying, Finland is the only NATO country worth fighting for (maybe Estonia, too).

>>129727557
lmao yeah right

>>129736163
Well if Finland joined, you would have to fight for it very soon.

>>129721291
...if Finland then RUSSIA has to react, isn't it?
NATO would surround Russia even more.
Can I get off this ride?

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>>129736817
Gladly. Finland (and maybe Estonia) are the only countries worth fighting for.

>>129736907
NO, YOU GOT US INTO THIS FUCKING MESS. No breaks on the train. Come here and die like the rest of us.

>>129736907
Finland shares the longest European border with Russia.

>>129736907
Nope, mama merkel is looking to build the 4th progressive reich
As soon as this heats up you're going to be force fed hormones and pressed into service in the transsturmtruppen

In for Russia getting dominated by a manlet again

We are not joining Nato. That picture is from today. Conscripts were testing the parliament acoustic systems.


Everything else that have been said about the current issue with the government is 100% true.

>>129736907
Russia is gonna push somewhere else and i'm guessing Moldova or some other russophile balkan country, they can start a revolt in Transnistria but it's really costly at this point for them.

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>>129737799
>We are not joining Nato.

>ywn fight with your Suomi serkut in Karjala to regain rightful clay.

>>129737999
Transnistria should be nuked. Fuck those pro-Russian shits.

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OMG WE GOING TO KILL COMMIE SCUM, FRIEND WORKING FOR MAIL SERVICE SAID 980.000 MOBILISATION LETTERS ARE UNDER DELIVERY.
THAT DOES IT I'M SO FUCKING EXCITED THIS IS IT BOYS THIS TIME HITLER DO NOT BEG US TO STOP BEFORE MOSCOW GATES!

>>129721291
So what?

NATO is as useful as the League of Nations was.

Halla-Aho told in a interview that the PM wanted him to submit to more immigration and more EU integration. EU is going towards a republic and the government wants Finland to be part of this.

>>129740428
>government wants Finland to be part of this.
..why?

>mfw I'm a foreigner in Finland (student, for now)

>>129741052
Get out. Suomi on Suomesta.

>>129740912
Cucks, all of them

>>129723284

This. Get off your asses and take it to the streets asap. Set up tents and protest 24/7.

Finland just eperienced a coupe and now they re ignoring the will of the people and rushing through nato legislature.

Get. Off. Your. Asses. Asap.

>>129740912
EU job and money for them

civil war confirmed

>>129721710
>Finland wants to try to join NATO
>so did Ukraine
>so did Georgia

Little green men in Helsinki when?

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>>129741468

Fuck that noise.
They are using NATO friendly stand to get their equipment and U.S cannon fodder A. K. A wetback spics.
I'm fucking happy to go in battle, Greater Finland that's their goal Google it.

>>129740912
>>129741526

Yeah they put their own career in front of the independence. They are traitors and I would not be surprised if we get a civil war later down the road.

>>129741526
>>129743049
>civil war
I know Finland was badass during WW2 but nowadays Finland doesn't really have the reputation being hardcore. You really mean that?

how many of you fingoloids play runescape
is monni a normal finn?

>>129743311
Finns will stab you if you get within 6 meters of them if you're a stranger.

>>129743311

People are still patriotic and will not give up independence easily.

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>>129743592
I prefer myself 7 meters 'mirin radius but that is only because I'm alpha.

>>129744255
Official anthem of the Whites in the new Civil War: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i8VM_EooCs

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>>129721291
This.

Post of flag observe

Does the ID change?

>>129743311
my word is not worth anything

look for the info yourself, was there or wasnt there something you can call a civil war before the world war in finlan

This is the downfall of /pol/

>>129721291
how does everyone have custom flags and finnish shits are still their own flag

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>>129745389
>Wasting 50% of the burst radius on open sea.
>Not taking out the shithole known as Espoo

No wonder you lost the Cold War, Boris.

why would anyone care about this little drunken cold shithole? just let russia take over, it'll make no difference

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>>129746027
The Soviets can have Finland when they pry it from my cold, dead hands.

>>129728276
bogi revček

Welcome to the team Finland. Your ass is ours now fuckboy

>>129731764
last time Finland was saved by Russian incompetence, and the main focus lining in nazi Germany.

The purge of experienced officers did not help in the Russian operation in Finland. At all.

>>129745890

Why destroy the technical and science potential that will be captured? This is so stupid.

But the destruction of the capital (government, higher military authorities) is clever.

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>>129746762
I would love to park B83s in Suomi. Only an hour to Moscow on the treetops and a Strike Eagle could LABS a city buster on Putin.

>I can only get so erect.

>>129745890
>Espoo
>Shithole
It's pretty chill m8, lots of nature yet enough amenities to live a comfortable city life.

Though the nightlife is non existent.

>>129731990
I'm behind this white man's suggestion!

Bump for spurdo

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>>129723520
>It's in Finnish use google translate

Googles servers can't handle our moonspeak.

>>129746365
Never heard
>Moscow Peace Treaty
>Paris Peace Treaty

Why modern Western education so shitty? Or when a person becomes an ancap he is given a lobotomy?

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>>129747707
The greatest day was Christmas, 1991. Watching you collapse was a Gift from God Herself.

We got so drunk at The Company that day.

>>129747082
>B83
>free-fall bomb without any guidence system

If this is "the best American nuclear technology," then I do not even know what to think about the United States.

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>>129748216
With an MOA of 80 meters during a LABS throw and 1.2 megatons of power, you just need to point an Eagle Driver in the general direction of Moscow for it to be effective.

The B61 Mod12 is the first guided gravity bomb in the nuclear arsenal for any nation.

>>129721291
BUMP

>>129731764
I want this retarded meme and whoever keeps posting to die already
>Finland ceded a portion of Karelia—the entire Karelian Isthmus as well as a large swath of land north of Lake Ladoga. The area included Finland's second largest city of Viipuri, much of Finland's industrialised territory, and significant parts still held by Finland's army—all in all, 11% of the territory and 30% of the economic assets of pre-war Finland.[46] Twelve percent of Finland's population, some 422,000 Karelians, were evacuated and lost their homes.

>>129725897
t, Russian fifth column

>>129748088
We joked. Now the West is losing the ideological, cultural and convection war on Middle East. Millenials and generation Z adore socialism. Assad win war with US. Ha-ha-ha.

>>129721291
>about to enter NATO
Good. Only retarded Russian shills are against NATO.

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>>129749219
You're so backwards, you need curtains because you can't afford auto-dimming lenses.


lelolololololololol

>>129731764
>one of the smallest professional armies in Europe against one of the largest

Conscripts are pretty much useless in modern warfare. Even if they show up when called, they're just cannon fodder.

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>>129731321
give me more spurdo

>>129748715
80 meters? You're laughing? Ancient sighting complexes on the Tu-22M3 provide for free-falling bombs MOA of 10 meters.

>see pic
>see F-111 (Retired in 2010)
>Signed as F-15
Well... All you need to know about Western military experts.

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>>129750759
I know more than you do, Ivan Bitchovich.

>>129750980
>General Dynamics F-111
>see Grumman F-14 Tomcat

By the way, how is the oxygen system on the F-22/F-35? Are the pilots still choking?

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>>129747082
don't

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>>129751622
Supplemental O2 bottles are now installed in the air lines to prevent suffocation.

Still burning coal on the Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov?

>>129748088
I remember that glorious day as well.
Everything in Russia is shit except piss;old finn proverb

bump & sage

>>129721291
>Finland
Nobody cares.

>>129743014
Read this>>129743049

>>129723520
Fake news.

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>>129752903
Tasiseseisvumispäev (20, August 1991) was the second greatest day. The third is itsenäisyyspäivä (6, December 1917).

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>>129752057

Like everyone else

Good, fuck PS
Fuck Finnish government
Burn it down

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>>129753664
It was a serious engine failure that caused that. Marinette Marine were fucking idiots for choosing Italian sotta Fraschini engines over superior Wärtsilä Meriteollisuus.

>>129730577
burn the coal pay the toll matey.. yarrr

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>>129723198
nättii

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Any opinions about the Ukrainian "Nazi Camp"

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>>129750375
only the toppest of spurdos here

>>129724465
Someone forgot the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, ending his country's involvment in a war in which said country got the shit kicked out of it.

>>129754362
>USA chooses Fix It Again Tony engines

What could go wrong

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>>129726227
>tfw no military junta with an African-tier name like "Binland Nadional Savor Frond :DD"

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>>129750375

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>>129755166
The one good thing about the Freedom-class LCS is they don't melt in saltwater like the Independence-class LCS do.

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JESSE PULJUJÄRVI NAMED LEADER OF THE OPPOSITION

>>129723520
>http://www.iltalehti.fi/kotimaa/201706132200204669_u0.shtml
It's not related to a junta or politics at all, they're just testing the system.

>>129721291
Mene nyt vittuun c-mies.

Sun mosat ja kirjurit tuskin paljoa äänestelee.

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>>129721291

NYT MESTARI NYLKEE PUNIKKISIAN!

>>129727557

Many Finnish girls move to a foreign country when 18, then they return.

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>>129756737
ei vittu, jätkä arvas melkein

koirat tykkäs liikaa, vielä e-mies kylläkin. sivari kutsuu.

>>129756737
itsehän äänestin kokoomusta
t kirjuri

>>129755031
Destination: 0,5 meters under the ground.
Apparently those scumbags have their sleepers in Słupsk, left their stickers there.

>>129763521
That was me. :)

>>129763917
Already coming for you, pidar, Jeremi Wisniowiecki style. Prepare the stakes!

>>129723198
I hope the new party is called the Nu Finns

>>129731764
I would rather be russian nowadays, fuck this country.

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>>129721291
You do know we're going to leave NATO in a couple of years, right?