Was the United States right to Nuke Japan?

>>129684087
Morally, no
Strategically, yes

>>129684087
nuclear fission acts as a catalyst for cultural development.

Nukes don't exist

Theyre not gonna end the human race over a war

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lB3D8dkVFAU

>>129684087
yes when the target is not a fucking city and you dont just want to test the difference between two new kinds of bombs

>>129684087
if we didn't use them then, we would have used a lot more later

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>>129684087
Yes I still think we should have dropped it on Germany though

>>129684087
>is it ok to kill 300,000 innocent people

No

>>129684193

Singapore doesn't exist

>>129684317
>is it ok to kill 300,000 innocent people
>No
who cares? wish we had dropped 3

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>>129684525

>>129684193

yes they do

>>129684087
Yes, absolutely. The only thing the U.S. did wrong was only using 2 nukes.

>>129684317
>innocent people
#notallmuslims
#notallnazis

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>>129684525
>wish we had dropped 3
would anime be even better?

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>>129684087
History is written by the victors.

>>129684148
/Thread

>>129684317

>let's drag out the war and have 3 million more people die instead of ending it and saving the lives for everybody

>>129684317
>people
They were japs. Read a history book.
>innocent
actually lol'd

>>129684608
>South gorea
Did you finally impeach that shaman bitch? Who rules now?

>>129684087
Might makes right.

If the Soviets had gotten the bomb first they would have nuked half the planet.

>>129684087
You'd probably be drafted right now and sent off as cannon fodder if they weren't used. Nukes helped show humanity the desperate need for peace, ironically.

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>>129684087

The only atomic weapon I want to use on Japan is possibly finding a nice NIP wife to regrow its population

>>129684087
Yes and No.
Yes that Japan had to be nuked, those guys are pretty fucking tough.
No in that they nuked the center of Christianity in Japan.

You Americans fucked up.

>>129684148
By no reasonable measure would invading Japan have been a morally superior option.
Millions of Japanese soldiers and civilians would have died in the battle, to say nothing of the loss of Allied lives.
It's only illegitimate morally when you use retard feels to guide your sense of morality.

>>129684087
get ready because that was the first but definitely not the last time, humanity will suffer nuclear war many times in the future, but humans will nonetheless survive
>>129684193
dumb meme

>>129684087
I think the real question is why we haven't nuked the fuck out of the middle east.

>>129684087
Yes, it is legitimate, but only in the cause of Tradition. In the case of WWII Japan, they were on the side of Tradition, and were trying to build an empire in the East, through which they could maintain their independence from the plutocrat and Bolshevik blocs. Murica and Britain made their own empires through conquest, but apparently, 1914 or something was the magical date at which acceptable empire building was banned.

>>129684087
that way the save much more lives that would die taking over one by one all japanese islands, while japan would keep killing asian lives in china korea... so yes it was legitimate just becouse the japanese style of war

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>>129684608
You better hope true korea didn't hear that

>>129684087
The Japs were working on their own atomic bombs. They only think it was immoral because we used them before they could.

>>129684679
She's in jail and we have President Moon now. Where were you when there was a steady set of Korean election generals in the catalog?

>>129684894
North Korea absolutely despises japan.

>>129684651
The war was at the end stage , Japan wouldn't have lasted a month after Germans lost.

>>129684087
2 bombs were not enough

>>129684863
6 million

>>129684773
How about you accept that plea for peace the Japanese high command sent you a week before you dropped the bombs?
Oh wait, you have to unconditionally force your jewish bullshit on the rest of the world.

>>129684087
America's handling of Japan in WW2 is probably the only example in the country's entire history of doing an objectively good job meddling in another country's affairs. Two quick and brutal punches to the balls to break their ridiculous fighting spirit followed by a dignified and efficient rebuilding and national re-orientation program that allowed them to become strong again and pick up their pride without becoming a threat again.

Japan was a damn miracle. Look at Germany for how it could have gone down, division, self-hatred, destruction of national character, half of the country being oppressed by the USSR. If I were Japanese I'd have a US flag above my shitposting station for sure.

>>129685062
An unbroken Japan is an extremely dangerous Japan.

>>129684968
I don't know, since I wasn't there that day
The 8 goddess threads were nice though

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>>129684087
they were being scary, and they wanted to kill us; it was just a knee-jerk 2 what they did

Nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki, or, for that matter, bombing civilians on a large scale such as in Tokyo or Dresden, etc. is a war crime by all standards.

It was no "collateral damage" but a policy of mass terror and mass murder and even promoted this way by those who design this strategy. It failed and the Allies admitted it actually helped their opponents to maintain a strong popular support during the war.

Now, Japan would have surrendered anyhow. A blockade would have helped to achieve it. But the commies were rushing in the north and having the USSR occupying half of Japan would have been a disaster.

In the end, despite the losses, the strikes speeded up the process and allowed Japan to surrender to the US forces instead of the Reds. And Japan could preserve the imperial institution, which is critical to understand why Japan did not turn into a Germany 2.0.

Atomic bombs did less damage and took less lives that firebombing that was already ongoing and had been for months in Asia and Europe.

>>129684148
this
it was menaceto Soviet Union and human experimentation. Nothing more, nothing less.

>Fire bomb 100k civilians in Tokyo
>Nuke another 100k civilians in Hiroshima and Nakasagi

Allies were the evil forces of WW2

America is a terrorist state

>>129684148

Morally, yes
Strategically, yes

Japs were and are nigger tier savages who chimped out on a massive scale. Once they got BTFO, they started crying we dindu nuffin. They got what was coming to them.

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>>129685062
History is written by the victors , that's why 90% of history is bullshit

Calling ww2 era Japanese innocent is objectively very wrong and hints me that you never read about Nanking

>>129684087
Don't care whether it's legitimate or not.
Nukes make war boring as all fuck. They ruined imperialism and colonialism
>We're gonna invade you
>Nah m8 we'll just nuke you
No more good wars anymore, just a bunch of posturing and (((peace)))

>>129685222
What was extremely ironic was that Nagasaki and Hiroshima had the highest population of Christians living there at the time so America pretty much killed off Christianity in Japan

>>129684087
Yes, now fuck off

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>>129684773
Utilitarians should all be shot.
>>129684087
>Was the United States right to Nuke Japan?

First ask these questions:

Was the United States right to side world with the Jews and Communists?

Was the united states justified in deliberately provoking Japan so they could convince their citizens let them get into WWII for the Jews.

Was Roosevelt justified in letting pearl harbor get attacked?

Was the United States justified in firebombing Japan?

Does enforcing (((democracy and equality))) on the world make you feel better about being circumcized?

>>129685222
The true bogpill on WW2 is that both sides were evil and that the current good v ultimate evil narrative doesn't exist to vilify Nationalism, but to prevent us from vilifying war by making it sound justified. The only winning move is to not play. That, or be in the manufacturing business in a country that doesn't socialize your assets.

>>129685241
>POOPERPOWER 2020

>>129685257
Nanking is the meme atrocity, Camp 731 is where it really went down.

>>129684087
No. They basically wiped out catholicism in japan by choosing to nuke the two cities with the highest population of catholics. I wonder who could have been behind this

>>129684087

If you consider the war only, then no. Like others said, it was the better strategic option, but it was completely wrong to vaporize civilians.

But this thread got me thinking. In the long run, it caused a widespread fear and horror at the idea of using nuclear weapons ever again. If the U.S. had not done this, when nuclear weapons were essentially in their technological infancy, then perhaps they would have remained a valid option in the eyes of other emerging nuclear powers, and they might have used them later when they were more potent and had a much greater effect.

>>129685299
and that's a good thing

>>129685062
source?

>>129684087
Picture looks pretty fake. Earth is rhombus. The shorter you won't believe it, the longer it takes for you to find some pease.
Do you also believe all clouds make sky babies? Or that is was the inert of Piccolo that grew?
I bet your manicure was payed by responsible budgeting. Don't you ever wonder why midichlorians ended up to be on the other side of the force? Or why ballsack starts with B? Just like dollar dollar bill yall. Get woke dude. There is no rape in surprise sex.

>>129685168
>japan talking about war crimes
apex kek

>>129684087
USA and UK are puppets of jews and since jews fear the samurai they had to be slaughtered without mercy, so as germans when their cities were carpet bombed with fire bombs. goymerica is eternal slave to kikery, source of all degeneracy of white race and our doom. as long as there is USA there cant be white race, our only chance is yellowstone rekting usa with some minor happening and hoping it wont rekt whole world

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>>129685168

shut up red button nip monkey

>>129685222
>unaware of what Japs did just in earlier 1940

At the age of information, ignorance is a choice.

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>American media:

>ISIS IS EVIL IMAGINE WHAT THEY WOULD DO IF THEY HAD NUKES

Hmm.. the exact same thing you did against innocent japanese civilians?

>>129685441
I'm not Japan, i'm me. Did not say Japan did not committ war crimes. Basically, all belligerants committed war crimes.

Had they not used the Bomb and instead opted for a conventional invasion, not only would American and Japanese military casualties be higher, but Japanese civilian casualties would have been higher.

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>>129684087
Absolutely, they would have never surrendered. However we brought the atmoic bomb into the frame thus uping the anti on any future conflict.

>>129684087
should have sided with Japan and Germany against the insidious Jew, the drooling slav, the eternal Anglo and the heathen chinee

imagine nuking the jews

>>129685393
On the other hand, it also toppled the regime that considered the royal family divine. Catholicism wasn't exactly going to thrive in that kind of Japan.

>>129685498
wtf I love ISIS now

>>129685538
If you aren't a larping English teacher could you explain why Japan has such a hate-boner for China?

>>129685468
it's not the jews you fucking retard, it's the zionists. all zionist are jews but not all jews are zionist. Get it right next time.

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>>129685500
>I'm not Japan, i'm me
R u Confucius?

So many blue pilled redditfag Jewish America apologists here. Stop regurgitating your good goy arguments that you were told by (((people))) and consider who really benefitted from goyim nuking and killing each other

Probably way more japs and americans would have died in that War if the nukes were not dropped.
It is terrible, but is regular war any better? At least those people died instantly.

>>129685538
>"nuking the Jews"
>Using a weapon of mass destruction against a thinly diaspora

How exactly?

Or is your post the usual braindead sloganeering we see on this site?

>>129685498
>innocent japanese civilians?

willful

>>129685588
>If you aren't a larping English teacher could you explain why Japan has such a hate-boner for China?
if you were a real Australian you wouldn't have to ask

>>129685504
>be jap
>killing chinks in flip
>"extra, extra; japan nuked and surrendered"
>FAKE NEWS
>guts another chink

>>129684087
what if germany or the soviet union was the first nation in history to use an atomic bomb in wartime?

the world would be a different place.

>>129685600
you forgot the moderate_islam.jpg pic

>>129685515
actually japan tried to surrender 6months previous but america denied it because they wanted an excuse to display might to the world with the atom bomb. No different than churchill turning down 7 peace offers from hitler because he wanted war to being the kike puppet he was.

>>129685641
obviously you would need to concentrate them in one place first, possibly some sort of camp

>>129685617
Probably way more jalapenos and arrancinis would have fried in that bar if the jukes were not stopped.
It is Terry Ble, but is regular bar any wetter? At least those poppers fried instantly.

>>129684087
Yes, when a bunch of manlet gooks refuse to stop fighting when the war is over, you might as well turn them into a shadow on a wall. The world isn't losing much.

>>129685484
never forget
>>129685500
>how can mirrors be real if our eyes aren't real?

>>129685617
>Probably way more japs and americans would have died in that War if the nukes were not dropped.

>We had to burn and radiate a biblical scale of civilians or else they would not have surrendered and become our vassals xDDD

>all justified xDDDDDD

Kill yourself banana monkey

>>129685711
Did you just get down watching the greatest story never told?

>>129685498
This also US is worse than ISIS , destabilizing countries & economy for more than a century

>>129685378
>dick envy
As for this nip, he understands.

>>129685786
>US
>ISIS
Pick any even number

>>129685610
see >>129685390. If you're supporting any kind of war you're supporting profiteers, who are honorary jews if not actual ones. The ones who benefitted were the Duponts and all of the other huge industry owners. Not even commie, this is just true. Take the Jebus-Pill.

https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/warisaracket.html

>>129685808
>ISIS aren't US proxies

top kek

>>129685617
>but is regular war any better? At least those people died instantly.

yes because there is some honor in man to man combat vaporizing cities full of women and children is jew level wickedness

>>129684689
How do you reckon?

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>>129684087
>>129684148
>>129684317
>>129685158
>>129685168

Clearly none of you know just how bad the firebombing campaign of Japanese cities was, if anything the nukes were a relief

>>129685062
Literally bullshit, you can see the propaganda footage of them arming and training civillians

>>129685878
Simplest way to rid the world of most of your enemies

In russia much like simple

>>129685836
>the point
>your head

>>129684087
It was either their innocent citizens or ours and they struck first so fuck 'em.

>>129685839
And after all that man to man combat, germany's men became some abomination
You should be happy you were nuked, instead of being 20% niggers

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>>129685606
But, Confucius is Chinese, tho...

>>129685936
Nukes are completely useless at most wartime scenarios that do not involve complete destruction, and believe it or not, even the Soviets needed material possessions gained through conquest.

>>129685653
I do see a lot of the fuckers clogging up my universities library watching shitty soap operas on all of the computers and eating weird smelling food and speaking their weird cat-language to each other but I don't think that that justifies Camp 731. They should just stick to their own shitty polluted authoritarian craphole where they belong.

>>129685779
Denmark what are you doing? They weren't going to be pacified by anything short of being completely overwhelmed and outclassed. Lots of people died horribly in two major incidents but now Japan has recovered magnificently to the point where many consider it a better country than the US. How can you argue with that result?

>>129684689
>Might makes right
Ok so then the Jews are right, correct.
>>129684689
>If the Soviets had gotten the bomb first they would have nuked half the planet.
American education

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>>129685808
>>129685836
ISIS isn't a single body to be controlled , while US does control and fund terrorists. Its only few factions .

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>>129685930
so the US was actively atking?

i thought they were neutral?

>>129685992
who need conquest when enemies all dead
just make new russia

>>129685975
but that isn't the reason they invited immigrants and the Jews want to try that everywhere. Germany is just the first target

>>129684773
Seeing as the invasion of Japan (operations Olympic and Downfall) proposed the use of chemical and many tactical nuclear weapons I'd say they got off easy. They had it coming though, their unrivalled savagery in the pacific had to end.

>>129686070
But then you have to 1) wait for the area to be habitable again 2) rebuild it yourself 3) repopulate it yourself.

>>129685986
I stopped caring after Kim Yong Ill came to power

There is no such thing as an illegitimate target in war, and nuclear weapons are the best way to take out as many citizens as possible in a short amount of time, without needing to put boots on the ground.

>>129685779
They would have not surrendered that easily through regular ways, are you retarded?
The japanese army had a big honor thing going for them. Much like Hitler only surrendered when Allies reached Berlin, the japanese imperor guy would, for sure, only have surrendered if the Allies had gotten into Tokyo.

And only that task would have ripped at least 2 million soldiers lifes, that didn't die because the nuke was dropped and Japan surrendered prematurely, you fucking RETARDED.

>>129686104
You are resisting, because your alphas are alive
US nuked some betas and a bunch of women off and that's it
Germany's alphas were practically ethnically cleansed
>the meek shall inherit ...
That is how it happens, wartime selection

>>129686216
You only say that because your country refuses to participate in international criminal proceedings except as judge and jury.

>>129686312
>your country
you have to go back

>>129686216
After that comment explain why America has the moral upper ground?

>>129686312

And executioner.

>>129686404
Are you sure there is morality in war?

>''All is fair in love and war''

>>129684087
It's OK for burgers to kill anybody by any means.
Orange B
Cyclon B
Nuke B
Sarin B
Drone B
Polonium B

When US goes war there are soldiers on one side only. Enemy has no soldiers, they are hostile enemy fighters to whom no international law apply.

>>129684087
yes, a land invasion would have been way more costly,for both sides,and the fire bombing a couple of months before killed more people, I think a lot of radioactive material scattered about becoming a sort of cobalt bomb at hiroshima,hence all the defect and whatnot

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>>129686469
You forgot the biggest weapon.
My D
Boom baby

>>129686469
>When any country goes to war there are soldiers on one side only. Enemy has no soldiers, they are hostile enemy fighters to whom no international law apply.

ftfy

>>129684148
>Morally, no

An invasion would have costed a lot of american lives, and japs treated pows like shit.It was morally right

>>129686393
It's not my country. If it were, it would be serving me instead of the other way around.

>>129686404

We're talking about war here. The objective is to kill the enemy. Morals get to be thrown out the window.

>>129685839
Yea, I know that was a really low move, but war knows little morals.
The objective, afterall, is to destroy your enemy while suffering as few losses possible, and that what the United States did.

I fell genuinely bad for that tho, japfag. may your relatives rest in pizza.

>>129686618
>constantly accuses other countries of war crimes and uses it as a justification for war
>gets accused of war crimes
>lol war is about killing, wut r u talking about?

>>129686618
>Article 1 of the 1907 Hague Convention III – The Opening of Hostilities prohibited the initiation of hostilities against neutral powers "without previous and explicit warning, in the form either of a reasoned declaration of war or of an ultimatum with conditional declaration of war" and Article 2 further stated that "[t]he existence of a state of war must be notified to the neutral Powers without delay, and shall not take effect in regard to them until after the receipt of a notification, which may, however, be given by telegraph." Japanese diplomats intended to deliver the notice to the United States thirty minutes before the attack on Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, but it was delivered to the U.S. government an hour after the attack was over.

The Japs and those who think only USA is evil during war do not remember the above.

Or any of the millions that died in the hands of Hirohito prior to 1930.
It's a fucking war and none of us children born in peace has been in one.

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>>129684217

>>129686134
in russia much population
much happy to rebuild
russia population okay with radiation

>>129684148
fpbp

>>129686765
>talks about honor in war (by default subjective but whatever)
>still does dishonorable things

Come on now, nippon-kun.

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>>129684087
Nips treated their prisoners horribly.
They got what they deserved.

>>129685390
>>POOPERPOWER 2020
10/10

>>129684087
>iwo jima and okinawa were very costly victories
>it showed the japanese resolve for death over surrender
>the islands were effectively under siege and no reinforcements for the japanese could arrive, while on the japanese mainland reinforcements could arrive
>most of southern japan is hilly terrain
>the japanese mainland was even more fortified than the outlying islands
>waves upon waves of kamikaze pilots would make landing incredibly difficult and costly

the amount of american lives lost in an invasion of japan would easily reach the millions.
the amount of japanese lives lost would massively outnumber those lost in the two bombs.
the war would have gone on for a much longer period of time than it did
the americans were planning on no further nukes on civilian targets if the japanese didn't surrender and every nuclear attack afterwards were going to be used either shortly before the landing or on industrial targets
the effects of radiation weren't fully understood and many american soldiers would have lost their lives afterwards from radiation poisoning

Daily reminder Nagasaki and Hiroshima had the largest christian populations in all of Japan

This is jewry 101

>>129687095
sauce please

>ANY sauce will do.

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>>129687095
*inhales*
PRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOFFSSSS

>>129687128
Good luck they have been shoahed.

>>129684087
No. They had a better and weirder weapon involving tying explosives to bats to freak out the Japanese, and publicly showing off their new toy lead to the Soviets doing the same thing and making the US shit bricks.

>>129686561
"ask not what your country can do for you" etc etc

>>129687128
I tried to find something

http://www.hprweb.com/2010/08/the-catholic-holocaust-of-nagasaki-why-lord/

>>129684087
Absolutely necessary and that's what overrides all morals

>>129686130
The Soviets would have taken it all easily.

>>129684087

it largely depends on if you agree with the estimates of casualties for invading the main islands of Japan. US estimated 1 million casualties for conquering mainland Japan, so bomb them twice to get them to stop, killing about 150k people vs 1 million

US could have backed off the unconditional aspect of surrender demand, but they had little incentive to do so

Add to the fact the Soviets declared war on Japan in 1945 and quickly crushed the Japanese forces in China, the Japanese had to know there was zero chance of victory, yet chose to keep fighting.

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>>129687403
>catholic
Oh, just heretics.

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>>129685241
> India claims to be on the road to superpower
> Still no indoor plumbing

Fuck off Poo-in-Loo.

>>129687576
>original true church founded by jesus and the apostles
>heretics

Protestants are truly retarded

>>129685390
Dont forget kempetai

>>129687403
>where 140,000 of the city’s 255,000 inhabitants were quickly killed. However, technical and weather-related difficulties confined the Nagasaki count to 35,000 dead.
>Of the 12,000 Catholics in the Urakami district, 8,500 were killed.

Interesting article but 12k out of 255k doesn't sound to be the LARGEST christian pop in all of japan.

>>129687516

oh and the US dropped leaflets telling people to GTFO of the cities because we're going to bomb you

https://www.damninteresting.com/retired/ww2-america-warned-hiroshima-and-nagasaki-citizens/

>>129687095
nagasaki had the biggest catholic population in all of japan just google

ill dump some links anyways:

https://nirc.nanzan-u.ac.jp/nfile/4258
http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Bombing_of_Hiroshima_and_Nagasaki
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-bombing-of-nagasaki-august-9-1945-the-un-censored-version/5345274

not sure about hiroshima, i heard it was the 2nd biggest population but maybe that was bs

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>>129686046
Certainly were attacking, after Pearl Harbour (1941) the US campaign in the east was essentially island hopping its way across the pacific, building airbases at each island so they were in bombing range of the next.

Eventually the USAF was in range of mainland Japan and pic related became common (every light is a burning building). Air crews would return smelling of burning flesh, the bottoms of their planes would be scorched and covered in soot.

>>129684087

The use of nukes are never legitimate. But you must always be ready to respond if another one is used and your finger must always be on that button as a threat. MAD Warfare is the greatest peacekeeping device invented.

>>129687661
It was 10% of the christian pop. Nagasaki was the birthplace of catholicism in japan.

>>129687706
Tbf a lot of Americans really hate Catholics.

>>129684280
>this is how little you people know about history.

Nazi Germany had already been defeated by The Soviets by the time the bomb was finished.

>>129687661
i would think so actually
considering the japs had a history of shoah-ing christians before ww1

>>129687759
Maybe in the early days, but we've had automated systems for decades now. Few need to press the button in response (which has its own problems)

>>129684651
>being in war period
>forcing Japan to attack Pearl Harbor
>attacking Germany for no reason
>dropping two nukes
>become a more atheist country everyday
>become less white everyday
>become less free everyday

Damn it feels good to be American.

>>129684667
based south korea

>>129684087
I think the radiation and collateral damage of the atomic bomb was the only immoral aspect. We understand the payloads better now and h bombs are suppose to be cleaner with significantly less radiation.

>>129684087
ITT: Burgers are so brainwashed that they are the only ones arguing 'for' the use.

>>129687644
>catholic
>original true church
bible says "no man truly represents God" and pope is in direct violation of that simple rule

heretics are the dumbest and most cucked bunch of idiots, go bown down and wash some feet of muslim invaders

>>129688017
>being in war period
We weren't in a war.
>forcing Japan to attack Pearl Harbor
Hitler Forced Japan to Attack Pearl Harbor
>attacking Germany for no reason
They declared war on us. We also barely fought them anyway.
>dropping two nukes
The only thing you got right
>become a more atheist country everyday
Good
>become less white everyday
Not remotely true
>become less free everyday
Thanks to conservatives, thanks...

>>129684087
If It is used against lesser races yes

>>129688307
american oil embargo fucked japan hard. no wonder you got attacked kek.

was all those dead soldiers worth it? for chinks no less.

hitler was dumb for declaring war though

>>129688307
Are you fucking retarded? How about you look up what the oil embargo we did on Japan and what effects it was having. Do you honestly just think they woke up one day and decided to to attack America? Do you also not know that our government knew Pearl Harbor was going to be attacked? Did you know the Jew controlled government was just waiting for an excuse so we welcomed the attack with open arms?

Fuck off.

>he enjoys Godless society
>he doesn't think whites are becoming a minority in the USA

there's no reason to try to converse with you.

>>129688225
Pope doesn't represent god. He is the head of the bishops. Only a retarded protestant would think the pope represents god.

Why do protestants call the body of christ heresy? Satan has deceived you

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>>129689061
I can't truly respect nor take seriously anything catholic says, even less so as of lately.

You've perverted word of God enough as if it is, you being slowly eradicated by your hubris is a fitting punishment.

>>129689061
look how well that pope is doing kek

the body of christ is all believers. we dont need a man on earth to interpret scripture, the holy spirit shows us.

>>129689061
One of the title's that the pope holds is "Vicar of Christ." Vicar literally means representative. Unless you're suggesting Christ is not God, how is it wrong to say the Pope is God's representative?

>>129687231
Nagasaki was the only port open to westerners (mainly Dutch) for a long fucking time so it makes sense that that would be where Christians were concentrated

This thread got me wondering: how were Japanese Christians (Catholic and Protestants) treated in Imperial Japan?

>>129688307
>129688307
>fight tooth and nail to protect the soviets who want to kill you
>fight tooth and nail to protect the Chinese who want to kill you
>fight tooth and nail to protect the Jews who want to do oh so much worse than killing you
>fight especially hard for the Jews for he next 70 years

ho ho ho oh man you sure have a way of picking allies don't you
why don't you join up with the Black Death next time

>>129689461
shit

>>129689461
>>129689532
actually i have no idea, i should do some research before i say anything

>>129689461
beheaded somewhat less frequently than under the shogun

>>129684667
do japs have a guilt cult for what they did with Korea/Cumbodia etc? I've heard they raped every korean women. are you half japanese?

>>129684087

If the US could just get on board with Putin we could probably drop Nukes again, this time on ISIS.

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>>129684087
>Was the United States right to Nuke Japan?

Yes they were one of our first territories we acquired back in the 1850s (Not too bad for this young nation) when Commodore Perry "suggested" it was would be good idea to open up their nation.

Then they turned around and cheated on us with a bunch old broke ass niggas - The Germans. After all we done for them.

We should bomb them again. The first time around really whipped the Nips back into shape anyways.

>>129684087
yes, america does what it wants, no one has a bigger stick than us

Against the Japs it's fine.

>>129688307
post your nose if you aren't jewish

>>129689801
>point a gun at somebody's head to make them do what you want
>expect them not to pick up a rock when your back is turned

>>129684087

Absolutely not.

Was just a tactic to scare the Soviets while fearing Operation Unthinkable (Allies vs Comintern)

>>129690068
Be glad.they nuke u. Commie bomb are worse, much worse. I wished the us nuked us, now were chinks bitch. Fuking commie.

>>129690068
Hey, no offense, but throwing a rock at someone with a gun sounds like the thought process of a moron.

>>129689801
>territory we had acquired
>broke ass niggas

>>129684087
A thousand times yes yes yes they had it coming pretty hard and got set straight for being barbaric murderers.
Now they just produce our anime and shitty weakling men.
Before any of you bring the "haha american false flag" bullshit, use your fucking brain and read reliable sources.

>>129689801
>Yes they were one of our first territories we acquired

>unequal treaties which were signed with numerous European countries as well and only applied to one port mean that Japan was American territory

Why are Americans so bad at history?

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>>129684645
>wixoss
My brother

>>129684317
the nuke ended the war.
land invasion would've caused much more deaths.
also this was necessary for us to get nuclear deterrence theory,if it wasn't for that we would have had another world war

>>129690423
This doesnt give you guys the right to not only rape half of east asia, but also attack US territory.
Its sad so many people had died in WWII but thats how shit goes when youre the weaker pussy nation that tried to be a bully.

>>129684087
Yes

>>129690264
well in retrospect it didn't work but it sure hurt for awhile, didn't it?

>>129690842
What hurt?
You mean you getting ass turned up and pounded by US military might?
Yea i bet that hurt.

>>129684451
>Singapore doesn't exist

Oh it does, and they are hardcore as fuck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJlBT0-CU9c

>>129690920
don't you have a little oil slick to go stand in front of and be mad?

>>129691196
Ah youre right.
Enjoy watching your white superior male on ugly nip women cuckold porn ya happy bastard!

>>129684087

the japs were real fucking cunts and deserved to get their shit nuked.

'Fuck you, I nuke you until you surrender" was a great military strategy. I wish we would deploy it now on the muslim world.

>>129684087
yes
Also, America didn't "provoke Japan into war", by any means.
This weird, grasping-at-straws weeb/eurocuck revisionist history needs to go away. Also a reminder that Hitler declared war on us.

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>>129684667
top bantz

>>129684087
>Use the Nuke to end the war early
>Kill thousands of innocents

Or

>Don't use the Nuke and do a mainland invasion
>Lose thousands more US soldiers in combat
>Deal with the insane public backlash after they find out the USA could have prevented those deaths with a weapon they already had.

The US had to. The Japanese wouldnt surredender till the last man.

>>129684148
fpbp

Honestly I don't know.

>>129684193
that's new one

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>>129684087
No. The idea that you can just use nukes if you don't have the balls to continue with conventional warfare is really dangerous and everyone who was in on doing that should be in prison.

>inb4 b-but it would have cost so many lives to invade the mainland
yeah thats war, if you don't have what it takes to do that then you will start negotiate a truce.

>>129684148
More people would of died on both sides if we invaded. The massacre would of extended from just two cities with only one side receiving casualties to it being an entire country getting leveled with heavy casualties on both sides and likely communist invasion too. I think the Nips lucked out personally, the bomb saved more than it killed.

>>129684148
>Strategically, yes
>t. indoctrinated

What exactly did it achieve strategically? Japanese were already willing to surrender, on condition that they leave the emperor. So they nuked them because they didn't want the emperor, but left emperor after that.

Strategically, NOTHING was achieved by nuking Japan.

Literally nothing.
inb4 some long term indirect bullshit that would justify nuking anyone and his mom.

>>129684087
>weapons ever legitimate in war?
yes, and it was glorious.
new American century, thank you very much.

>>129692632
they could bomb soldiers instead of civilians

>>129687788
Germany was the original target asstard, shows how little you know about the program behind the bomb.

>>129684317
Needs to be 300,000,000 for your country.

>>129685144
thank you ausgod

Yes/thread

>>129693175
>would of
stopped reading there.

>>129684087
If anything bad happened to American soldiers in an invasion and the US population found out we had a weapon that could have prevented that, the leadership would have been strung up by the balls. There options were very very limited.

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>>129684087

is firebombing?

is carpetbombing?

that white phosphorus used today is pretty gnar.

>>129693332
Can't we go for the full billion?

>>129693608
That's cool plebbit

>>129693795
Nice flag.

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>>129684087
Yes, and fuck off with bullshit revisionism trying to say otherwise.

>>129684087
This thread must surely be bate, but I will respond nonetheless, Fuck Yes, it was right.

By Japanese generals and soldiers own admission, they would have fought to the last mine unto suicidal death which would have resulted in millions more deaths on both sides if we had not.

Only the back-breaking thought that we might wipe their entire civilization off the face of the earth with no fighting meaning anything did they capitulate.

>>129684087
YES, japan attacked usa cowardly (same as hitler attacked ussr). They didnt make any demands before war.

they started to make war crimes and they lost

Vae Victis

>>129693225
Clearly you know jack shit about Bushido and the will of the Japanese.

Note they did not surrender even after their first city was vaporized. Only after they feared they would be entirely destroyed did they even consider surrender.

>>129684525
At least three. I was thinking like a couple dozen or so...they were low yield devices... anyways the Japs had it coming.

>>129685168
Fuck you and fuck Japan, you fucking doggo eater.

>>129694558
They offered conditional surrender before the nukes.

Then they accepted UNCONDITIONAL surrender after nukes.
Then burgers reached the same terms as in conditional because everyone was buttblaster over nukes. You achieved nothing.

Filthy republicuck.

>>129684087
Dropping the nukes did everyone a favor, including the nips.

The war would have dragged on forever otherwise, and far more people would have died.

>>129695123
Please note the terms of surrender that would have been accepted, Komrade.

>>129684087
Yes.
Anything that ended the war with less loss of American lives was justified.

>>129695540
Elaborate.

Are you implying that outcome after the nukes was somehow different from surrender terms Japs were offering before the nukes?

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>>129694103
Fuck, I meant to post this one. That one's good too, though.

>>129685999

Trips of truth

>>129695813
'Elaborate'

Your comment was a lie, that's why I asked you what the terms were. You can't answer, because you're a stupid dipshit with no facts.
Japan never offered surrender of any kind, you stupid pimple on the True-Russia's ass.

>>129697374
Japanese tried initiating peace talks for over a year and nothing short of "unconditional surrender" was accepted. They only wanted to keep the emperor.

There can be no "muh list of points" because burgers were never willing to negotiate on surrender at all (similarly how Brits detained Rudolph Hess upon his landing in Britain, so there were never any peace talks). They were only willing to accept either unconditional surrender, or total destruction till the last man.

Out of Germoney Allies created a cucked state for exploitation. Japs kept what they wanted all along anyway.

>>129685617
>At least they died instantly

Yeah except those who survived and had to live a horrible and painful life

Yes, it stopped the spread of communism into Japan.

Unfortunately, Jews stopped us from accomplishing this in Germany as well.

>>129698863
>>129698863

Oh yeah, 'muricans were so willing to sacrifice everything for no reason at all, right, you dumb fucking cossak? As usual, no facts to back. Go back to making child-porn and polluting the world with inbred-designed reactors and stfu