Why isn't direct democracy employed more?

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>>129662598
What is the age demographic of /pol/? Take the poll: http://www.strawpoll.me/13175978

Should people who don't contribute to the system deserve to vote?

>>129666146
How do you define who contributes?

>>129667870
taxes paid greater than benefits received = contributes

oh wow someone on welfare just voted for more welfare, what a fucking shock

>>129668176
> Only rich people can vote now
> They vote to flood the country with cheap low-skill immigrant labor and fuck everybody over but themselves
Referendums could actually help to avoid situations like that.

>>129669170
>not being on welfare = rich
lol

>>129662598
doesn't work with a large population. doesn't work in two party shitholes.

>>129669170
That's fine because the scenario depends on them paying a shitton of taxes for that influence. Since they paid so much, they will basically be subsidizing those very immigrants they import.

>but what if they stop the benefits?
Then the relative value of everyone else's vote will go up because they receive less benefits, and they can vote benefits back in if they want.

>>129662598
Mob Majority is still Tyranny.

Because then you have to make the laws tyrannical. The state has to have a foundation.

>>129670302
All government is some form of tyranny to autistic anti-government people, it's still better to find some type of government that operates the best than to just declare it tyranny and give up on finding something good/efficient.

>>129662598
Money. Costs a shitton to do all the referenda.

>>129670656
> Hold referendum on military spending
> Vote to decrease significantly
> Now have more than enough money to hold more referendums

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>falling for the democracy jew
kys

>>129670899
I'm not in favor of universal democracy but it can obviously work well in some situations. Just look at Switzerland and how well it's run, despite arguably being the most directly democratic country on earth it's also one of the least cucky countries in the West. If Britain had referenda do you think they would have voted to flood their country with tons of immigrants and restrict their own right to free speech so drastically?

>56%
>soon to be 49%
Yeah let's employ direct democracy xddd
Plato and Aristotle blew democracy to smithereens 2400 years ago, and their criticisms aren't any less pertinent today than then

>>129671074
>do you think britain would blah blah blah
Yes because they are useful idiots. Jews control the media. The media influences the way average plebs think. The average pleb then votes for his own destruction in the name of diversity or progression or political correctness or whatever you like. Democracy was not invented by Jews but it has been successfully co-opted by Jews and weaponized against us.

>>129671182
>>56%
>>soon to be 49%
???

>>129671561
litterally what happened in the US elections primaries and the election in the uk last week. on the other hand - the choice was poor in both cases.

>>129662598
I've often thought this-- then I realized that ferals and breeders can't even be bothered to vote every 4 years.

>>129670450
What if the people ratified a document that put limits on what the government could do? That sounds like a good way to avoid tyranny.

>>129670450
No, you're not getting it. All policies are tyranny. Giving power to the ignorant public that they haven't earned would be a disaster. The less ways for policies to get pushed through the better. Democracy is a perversion of freedom. There is nothing positive about it.

>>129671959
There are limits on what people can vote for in referenda set forth by a Constitution or something similar. Do you think they can just vote to legalize murder or something?

>>129672081
>Do you think they can just vote to legalize murder or something?
Socrates was put to death by vote because the public deemed him annoying.

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"Democracy is a soft variant of communism, and rarely in the history of ideas has it been taken for anything else." -Hans-Hermann Hoppe

So no. We don't need more democracy and more property expropriation. We need less democracy and more natural order. Democracy devours society.

>>129662598
Compare Switzerland federal voting to a imaginary state with the population of Virginia and a landmass slightly smaller than West Virginia. This is a small tidibit as to why this would work in the US.

>>129662598
Yes and no. Yes, it should be used more in Switzerland. No, there should be appointed governors for the rest of the planet.

>>129675311
desu - we have a different cabinet with eight ministers and one pres. the pres doesn't have much power. this ensures it's not just one person fucking everything up.

do you think is ok for 51% of people decide what the other 49% must do?
would you be ok if 51% of people voted to shit on your porch?

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>>129662598
>Innerrhoden

>>129676285
There are 7 ministers and one house cleaning lady who doubles as secretary, that is our executive. These 8 people have little business in making laws anyway - the parliament and (when they fuck up) the people have legislative powers.
To make this work you need a certain degree of tradition, and i don't see that outside switzerland at all. Representative democracy is the best they can aspire to but they fail miserably at it every time.