Evolution Refuted

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>>129632995
Evolution is just a theory and a retarded one at that, gtfo with this bullshit anon

>>129633494
Is that like warp drive?

>>129632995
How can you be this dumb? 1) other evolved species constantly change the environment.

2) its not a binary question. Any mutation that leads to greater number of offspring reproducing will be sustained.

That said I think biological evolution is an over simplification and a sort of higher level evolution works better but I haven't got the time to explain right now.

>>129633625
>Just a theory
>Evolution is retarded

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"This is true of all thirty-two orders of mammals ... The earliest and most primitive known members of every order [of mammals] already have the basic ordinal characters, and in no case is an approximately continuous sequence from one order to another known. In most cases the break is so sharp and the gap so large that the origin of the order is speculative and much disputed ... This regular absence of transitional forms is not confined to mammals, but is an almost universal phenomenon, as has long been noted by paleontologists. It is true of almost all classes of animals, both vertebrate and invertebrate...it is true of the classes, and of the major animal phyla, and it is apparently also true of analogous categories of plants."

"The occurrence of genetic monstrosities by mutation … is well substantiated, but they are such evident freaks that these monsters can be designated only as 'hopeless'. They are so utterly unbalanced that they would not have the slightest chance of escaping elimination through stabilizing selection … the more drastically a mutation affects the phenotype, the more likely it is to reduce fitness. To believe that such a drastic mutation would produce a viable new type, capable of occupying a new adaptive zone, is equivalent to believing in miracles … "

"Take some matter, heat while stirring and wait. That is the modern version of Genesis. The 'fundamental' forces of gravity, electromagnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces are presumed to have done the rest... But how much of this neat tale is firmly established, and how much remains hopeful speculation? In truth, the mechanism of almost every major step, from chemical precursors up to the first recognizable cells, is the subject of either controversy or complete bewilderment."


http://www.darwinismrefuted.com/short_history_01.html

>>129632995
spontaneous change is called mutation, and that's how evolution works. plus new environments don't come quickly ice ages took millions of years to end.

Evolution isn't sound on a metaphysical level.
>Entropy is a thing
>Complication of species is concentration of energy
>???

>>129635748
There can be bubbles where entropy is temporarily reversed.

>>129635658
Yes, and mutations for, let us say, breathing air becoming active under water lead to ... what? Riight. Death.

>>129632995
>Genetic expression implies necessity, but necessary mechanisms cannot evolve without their already existing, else the species can't survive in the environments for which they're evolving said mechanisms
Initially it is not a relation of necessity. Initially it is a relation of advantage - for example, it is advantageous to have the capability of air breathing to go on land. Then it becomes more advantageous to keep being on land, since there are fewer predators. Then eventually it's rather more useful to not develop gills anymore, since they take resources in development.

Or take specialization of cells in multicellular colonies. Initially it's usefulness - if you specialize some cells based on external factors somewhat, they can be better at what they do. Eventually no thriving colony does without specialization. After that those cells never live without the colony, thus no longer need to be self sufficient. This is how you get tissues.

Same for blood systems, you don't need them for a life form, but they're an advantage and guess what - once they are evolved, the organism becomes dependent on it since the disadvantage of extra resource usage is not worth the slight resilience.

It's funny that atheists don't realize they're the ones who hold to a belief because they're afraid of death. No God = no consequences.

>>129636279
The sun you fucking russian mongrel.

The sun is basically increasing entropy, but decreasing it in regards to the planets.

>>129635995
fish breath air, come on. they get dissolved oxygen out of the water with gills. from there small changes can allow full lungs see lung fish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_gill

>>129632995
There is no continuum of environments but there is a continuum of survival within such an environment. Sudden changes can shock a population but unless it outright kills the population, the lifeforms will have opportunities to adapt. Furthermore adaptations are by definition spontaneous, and not continuous as they involve failures in gene replication. The resulting phenotype may be continuously changing, but the actual bone in the head or w/e arbitrary adaption is binary
>>129635748
Sun is continuously adding energy. Please understand thermodynamics before invoking it.

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Can you explain endosymbiotic theory? The theory states that mitochondria and chloroplasts evolved from ancient bacterial ancestors:

>New mitochondria and plastids are formed only through binary fission, the form of cell division used by bacteria and archaea.
>If a cell's mitochondria or chloroplasts are removed, the cell does not have the means to create new ones. For example, in some algae, such as Euglena, the plastids can be destroyed by certain chemicals or prolonged absence of light without otherwise affecting the cell. In such a case, the plastids will not regenerate.
>Transport proteins called porins are found in the outer membranes of mitochondria and chloroplasts and are also found in bacterial cell membranes.
>A membrane lipid cardiolipin is exclusively found in the inner mitochondrial membrane and bacterial cell membranes.
>Some mitochondria and some plastids contain single circular DNA molecules that are similar to the DNA of bacteria both in size and structure.
>Genome comparisons suggest a close relationship between mitochondria and Rickettsial bacteria.
>Genome comparisons suggest a close relationship between plastids and cyanobacteria.
>Many genes in the genomes of mitochondria and chloroplasts have been lost or transferred to the nucleus of the host cell. Consequently, the chromosomes of many eukaryotes contain genes that originated from the genomes of mitochondria and plastids.
>Mitochondrial and plastid ribosomes are more similar to those of bacteria (70S) than those of eukaryotes.
>Proteins created by mitochondria and chloroplasts use N-formylmethionine as the initiating amino acid, as do proteins created by bacteria but not proteins created by eukaryotic nuclear genes or archaea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symbiogenesis

>>129637985
what about it, it's sound science and dependant symbiosis is a thing?

>>129636959
lol idiot they breath water, theres no air underwater, it would just rise to the top, I expected a leaf flag but all I see is 38%

>>129632995
>therefore natural evolution of these mechanisms is impossible
That doesn't follow from anything you just said.
>Fish can't evolve into land dwellers because they can't ever go on land
Suppose a fish has a small mutation which allows it to respire a tiny amount on land, allowing it to more easily access abundant food from land-based plants which no other fish can access, gains huge survival advantage and multiplies rapidly. One of THOSE fish has a mutation allowing it to spend even more time on land, gains an even better survival advantage et cetera... If you fail to acknowledge the gradual nature of evolution and say that one day a fish would have to go POOF and give birth to a land dweller, then of course it seems impossible.

>>129641405
no air is under water.
http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/gases-solubility-water-d_1148.html

see number 4
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solubility#Solubility_of_gases

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>>129641747
wow why do I have to explain this to someone, air goes up when its in water, see pic related for a detailed chematic

Research "irreducible complexity". And not the narrow-minded explanations from the church of evolution.

>>129642203
because it didn't dissolve? have you ever put to much sugar in something, if the water can't take more then it will remain as a large bubble. but for some air molecules, they get attracted to the water and stay just like other polar compounds.

HOLY FUCK!

I didn't realise how stupid people are.

...you included >>129642256

>>129642672
sounds like jewish tricks to me, ive only ever seen air go up

>>129642774
Hey, evolution is a religion, I got to evolution mass every Sunday.

>>129643122
ok, simple example. you open a beer or carbonated beverage and bubbles form. if the CO2 and other gasses were incapable of dissolving where did they come from?

>>129642672
>posting in an antievolution thread.
>Replying to an aus poster
Sage the thread m8. This is a slide thread full of shitposters and christcucks.

>>129643486
a valid point will do.

I knows this is a bait thread, but I still want you all to have this for when you have to confront retards

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

And here's a quick, fun video for you all to watch. Please watch it, it's less than two minutes. Adaptation and evolution in action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8

How to porve evolution to yourself

1. Place a culture of some bacteria in a petri dish

2. Place a mild antiseptic in the center of the dish

3. Cover the rest of the dish in some form of nourishment for the bacteria

4. After a few days if growth take a sample of the bacteria that spread closest to the antiseptic

5. Repeat the process with stronger and stronger anti-bactetial

6. After doing this around 100 times ingest the final sample

7. Go to the hospital for your infection if you have created a drug resistant bacteria that normally would be killed by anti-biotics you have just proved evolution

>>129644316
That's exactly what happens in this video, posted by Harvard Medical School

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=plVk4NVIUh8

Though no hospital visits or infections, or ingesting

>>129644515
Yeah but how will they know the bacteria is any different from the one they started with if it doesn't kill them?

>>129644316
sir, you've stopped creationism. well done