The West Needs Socialism and Here's Why

My country tried socialism for 50 years and now everybody lumps my country together with slavs and laughs at us for being vodkaniggers.

>>129625282
And it is socialist today? Whats your point?

>>129625282
you should be proud to be an honorary slav, comrade.

>>129624524
>lawyers
Fuck off kike. You're a parasite.
Kill yourself nigger.

>>129625453
I'm part of the working class, the owner is the parasite.

>>129624524
>since there is limited money the rich get richer and the poor get poorer
Learn economics, wealth is not a zero sum game.

>since I'm going to work at my dad's law firm
Every fucking time.

>>129625606
Communists are all parasites.
You need to be killed, preferably with poison.

>>129624524
Leaf

>>129625687
Actually there is limited money, fractional reserve banking can only temperoarly expand the supply of credit. Learn economics pls

>>129624524
>a fucking leaf.

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>>129625416
No use in being honorary slav when people consider us literal slavs. Nobody considers japanese as actually aryan, just because Hitler called them "honorary aryans".

>>129625377
My point is that socialist policies do work, but only in small, separate communities. My country was involved in producing for the entire, huge USSR and get back commodities produced in entire, huge USSR but of course, those commodities were deficient and unable to compete with whatever we could produce on our own.

I could ramble on even more, but socialism simply does not work. Works even less when you put a globalist flavour to it. Only thing it manages to do is to provide a good lifestyle for champaigne socialists and put up a front of Potomkin village to ambassadors from other countries.

>>129625861
>Actually there is limited money
>t. genetic dead end

>>129625723
t. edgy kid

>>129626255
You are genetically weak

>>129626119
You consider the japanese Aryan

>I could ramble on even more, but socialism simply does not work. Works even less when you put a globalist flavour to it. Only thing it manages to do is to provide a good lifestyle for champaigne socialists and put up a front of Potomkin village to ambassadors from other countries.
Then explain the United States in 1955.

>>129626508
Edgy 27 year old adult actually.
I'm serious.

>>129624524
So your saying that if we limit capitalism to a smaller area while maintaining the flow of goods capitalism would work... lol just what I want

>>129624524
>Socialism is the only system that can last in the long run.
It's fucking failed everywhere it's been tried.

FML progs really are mentally ill - they're completely existant in a fantasy reality of their own making.

>>129626854
Depends what you mean by socialism, and what you mean by success.

>>129626766
No, im saying socialism is needed

>>129626854
Capitalism has failed everywhere its been tried, capitalists have mental illness

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>>129624524
>>129625377
>>129625606
>>129625861
>>129626581
>>129627006

A fucking commie leaf

sosialism can only work in wealthy nations with controled borders. with verry high automation levels and accepting the lower rate of economic growth.

>>129627396
Economic growth is only good if it benefits the people tho, if it only benefits the 1% then who cares?

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>>129624524
Only retarded faggots believe socialism by this point.

Semi-regulated capitalism provides the only modern version of striving necessary to fulfill man's desire to be dynamic.
Just look at Europe their committing culture suicide because their drive to survive has been eliminated.

>They are part of the "intellectual working class" and are equally as discriminated as coal miners
congrats on literally attempting to participate in the oppression olympics

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>>129624524
> The thing is in capitalism especially Laize faire (lazy faire) there is a limited amount of money

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>>129628018
Only the mentally ill support capitalism.

>muh GDP

Fun fact: GDP growth isn't good. Pic related is what GDP leads to

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>>129627695
True, this is why we need capitalism since socialism/mixed economies largely benefit the 1%

>>129628290
>No evidence provided

>>129628028
Europe is going bankrupt due to ultra capitalism

>congrats on literally attempting to participate in the oppression olympics

I'm not, I'm stating fact

>>129628256
It's literally true, if there was infinite money we'd all be rich

>>129628290
Lol just fuck off commie. Nobody subscribes to your bullshit.

>>129628378
>Europe is ultra capitalism
You are retarded

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>>129628378
>>129628290
>>129627695

So much autism

>>129628371
>giving evidence to a shitty strawman
You're not worth evidence

>>129628419
Hitler was part of the NSDAP, the national SOCIALISTIC german worker party. stop saying all socialists are commies

>>129628302
>I got screwed by the 1%
>Now im poor
>So now im like totally a capitalist since i don't want to be a victim

>>129628474
EU reduced red tape

>>129628419
Shut up fascist nazi

>>129628653
>I provide evidence that economic freedom makes everything better.
>You support suppressing economic freedom via socialism.
>Your response to evidence you don't like: Muh strawman

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>>129628766

Hitler had nothing to do with (((marxism))) which is a jewish subversive internationalist ideology

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>>129628788
>>129628833

Day of the rake soon

>>129628908
>you provide evidence that economic freedom raises the GDP aka making things worse
>Expects me to give a serious reply

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>>129624524
>Also since I'm going to work at my dads lawfirm a lot of people called me bourgeois but I actually looked up what Marx said about lawyers. They are part of the "intellectual working class"

trying too fucking hard you fucking newfag
day of the rake can't get here soon enough

>>129628788
You are somewhat correct, I don't want to be forced into a centrally planned economy where corrupt leaders take all my earnings from me while I also have to compete with the 1%.

>>129627006
Give me one statistics that proves that communism out preforms capitalism in ether happiness, quality of life, or science. Then I will argue.

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>>129629046
>raises the GDP aka making things worse

Why are commiecucks so retarded? I guess they don't teach economics in art school

>>129629046
>You: Ignore all other evidence I provided because one tiny thing included GDP and you don't like GDP.

>>129629071
You're trolling too hard

>>129629151
https://www.theguardian.com/business/economics-blog/2012/oct/22/happiness-equality-economic-growth

>>129629323
>thinking GDP growth is good
Sorry they don't teach economics in Greece, but you majored in gender studies so i don't care what you think.

>>129629341
Yeah sure, every single chart you provided totally DIDNT just keep having the same bullshit GDP stats.

>>129628917
yes i agree, marxism takes away the power off the people

i just think a democratic socialist governement with a lot off power with the people. with closed borders and with kapitalist like firms is the best way to get a strong economy and happy people

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>>129624524
The rich become richer because they innovate and sell to the masses what the masses want/need. The poor usually stay poor because they don't innovate anything and they buy all of the things that the rich make for them. Capitalism = opportunity for the poor to become wealthy.

>>129624524
Nepotism? Color me surprised. Looks like Daddy is giving you a free ride forever.

>>129624524
No it doesn't. Trading one totalitarian system for another does not work achmed no matter how much you want it to.

What the west needs is comprehensive education overhaul and reform so we emphasize math science and usable trade skills from a young age, much tighten immigration control, and reform of political finance laws. Corporate deep state needs to be forcibly separated and divorced from the political system once upon a time it was but bad policy decisions led to the current situation.


That is what is needed but that is hard for babbies to understand and since most of you fuckers have the mental age of 4 year old theres your problem.

Fuck off leaf your ideas remain bad.

>>129624524
Nah

No way OP, socialism is only for the rich, not everyone else. All profits must be privatized so the goyim cannot reap anything more than the bare minimum for their work. What, you think this is the 1950s still? Get back to work goy, your employer needs to continue to profit from your work.

>>129625861
>Lawyers
>Knowing shit about economics.
Accountant here. Money is, or should be, the abstraction of all goods and services produced in an economy. As long as society continues to make shit, it will never run out of money.
Also, socialism NEVER works and I'm glad we got rid of our leftist government and put based Macri into power.

>>129629643
Still no evidence to support socialism I see.

>>129630680
... you are stupid if you think everyone can just do this. It´s the law of the strongest and the smartest or the lucky ones. Els you are doomed

>>129630680
>Job creator
You do realize we have social assistance right? We don't need jobs anymore especially wieth machines working

>>129631165
Shitty idea

>>129631316
My moms side of the family are all accountants or related to that and they agree with me.

>>129631422
Yea and with socialism it's the law of the most well connected and corrupt.

>>129631355
The graphs yu posted

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>>129631355
Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:
China.
Denmark.
Finland.
Netherlands.
Canada.
Sweden.
Norway.

now the nations that are also democratic have good economies and happy people.

The 2017 report features the happiness score averaged over the years 2014-2016. For that timespan, Norway is the overall happiest country in the world, even though oil prices have dropped. Close behind are Denmark,

>>129631798
If you want to play that game, my dad is actually a professor of economics and he supports free market ideas. He's a huge fan of Milton Friedman.

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Check those digits

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>>129632163

Reroll

>>129632036
>Below, you will see some of the most socialistic nations in the world today:
>China.
>Denmark.
>Finland.
>Netherlands.
>Canada.
>Sweden.
>Norway.

So those must not rate high on the scale of economic freedom since socialism is against economic freedom.. Oh wait...

>>129632036
Remove Canada, we are neoliberal aka ultra-capitalist. Trudeau wants to increase free markets and free trade. Our economy is crap too

>>129632069
Well can you debunk the argument that the rich get richer at the suspese of the poor considering there is only so much money so the rich having more means someone having less.

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Damn no digits today

>>129631825
it is just the same for kapitalism. corruption is the enemy off every system

>>129632291
China is the only one that is more like true socialism, and notice how miserable and poor the average person is in China.

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>>129632360

How will socialism deal with the lynched nigger problem?

>>129632360
>Well can you debunk the argument that the rich get richer at the suspese of the poor considering there is only so much money so the rich having more means someone having less.

>>129632687
Yeah

>>129632757
Money and value are two different things retard. The amount of value you have in assets is what determines if you are poor, not how much money you have.

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>>129632757

How will socialism deal with the murdered tranny problem?

>>129632948
Murder everyone else to create equality

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>>129633016

Good point

>>129632946
Look up Great Depression retard. Production didn't change at all (until the layoffs) but the economy went retard due to MONEY problems. Doesn't matter how much production is going on if you ain't got money to buy that shit

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>>129633146

So you don't care about dead trannies? Why are you so trans*phobic?

>>129633146
Money is just one asset that is used as a store of value due to convenience. You are conflating money and value. This is probably why you support socialism. I know very well about the Great Depression. How the central bank that the socialist wanted to prevent collapses cause the collapse by varying the money supply so banks could gamble without loosing. Using anything but the dollar was illegal by this time too by the way.

>>129633619
*Using anything but the dollar for a currency that is.

>>129633619
Ok imagine this sinario

>production increases
>popualtion increases
>more cities built
>more everything
>same ammount of money in circulation as before since we talking real capitalism not central bank nonsense
>everyone is poor despite production being higher since now there is only $10000 per citizen as before there was $10000000 per citizen.

>>129624524
Leave Leaf

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>>129633945
>sinario

Damn they are not sending their best

>>129632036
You are such a faggot

>>129627064
HAHAHAHA literally the most conservative place on the planet, minus our last horsefuck of an election. coupla faggots is all i see

Not yet. Wait for automation to ruin everything, then we can talk socialism

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>>129632036
Mostly
No socialism
None here either
No
Nope
Certainly not
No

These countries have private ownership over the means to produce good, ie the factories, tools, and equipment that labour uses to generate surplus. The cooperative/public sector does not eclipse the private one.

Public ownership of the means of production = Socialism
Social welfare programs =/= socialism

>>129631316
>make shit, it will never run out of money
Emphasis on SHIT.
And the market turns every human relationship into grey goo, just like you psychopaths want it.

>>129632948
By delegitimizing transgender as the corporate neoliberal market force it is.

>>129624524

I would gladly be on board for socialism if they didn't insist on filling my country with arabs and africans

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>>129635567

But I thought "gender identity" was a spook

>>129624524
why always a leaf ?

>>129624524
>Socialism
>Capable of lasting a long time

My sides

>>129628968
>Copyright

>>129628766
Hitler was a retarded coke addict who was like Josef Stalin but less effective

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>>129636688

Fuck off kike parasite

>>129635459
All those countries have government run means of production

>>129624524
> socialism lasts 70 years before it collapses under its own weight
> 16 year old leaf thinks it's forever
Great bait tho, have a (you).

>>129629533
You must be being willfully stupid at this point

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>>129624524
>Also since I'm going to work at my dads lawfirm a lot of people called me bourgeois but I actually looked up what Marx said about lawyers. They are part of the "intellectual working class" and are equally as discriminated as coal miners and servants since they must work their asses off for bosses

Quintessential, QUINTESSENTIAL bait.

This leaf is NOT new here. This leaf is NOT crude and brash with his bait.

This LEAF, is an artiste of this board.

>>129624524
>Socialism is the only system that can last in the long run
So why every single socialist country ends up a fucking dysfunctional shithole, leaf?

>>129624524
A mixed economy CAN work under certain conditions but the problem with socialism is that the same retards that push socialist policies are the same ones saying we should have open borders and let all the poor people in the world in. A mixed economy only works when you have a good sized middle class, not a shit ton of poor immigrants. Shit ton of poor immigrants however works great for pure capitalist as they have a nice source of cheap labor.

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>>129635976
Day of rake when?

>>129636688
what he did was more or less adderall

>>129636866
>socialism lasts 70 years
>mfw your country has existed for well over 100 years
Want to know how i know you' re trollin?

>>129636950
I know you're trolling, no one is this stupid

>>129637159
Like America, Switzerland, and Norway? OH WAIT

What Socialists fail to realize is that "The Rich" are people too, who often worked hard and did right in they're lives to end up in a profitable situation.

Apart from the Royal families, which is why in every country Socialism rises a Monarchy cannot exist.

The greatest fear the media elites really have is that the working class in this country become socialist like the poor people in other countries, its the whole reason Fox News is a thing.

Unions can be a very powerful force, and it keeps government out of things. To bad being a union boss doesn't attract the most competent people

>>129633945
Do you not realize that money would go up in value, even if for whatever reason there were no other means of exchange?

>>129637646
>What about inherited wealth

>What about the fact that even if they worked hard they are still hording resources from the working people

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>>129637566
>>129637642

How do we deal with the dead tranny problem?

>let's repeat the exact same mistakes Yuropoors made in the 20th century
"no"

>A FUCKING LEAF

>>129625861
Focus your anger on the federal reserve you spoiled brat

>>129637722
So deflation would occur? That would mean debts would skyrocket in realitivity and the rich would get WAYY richer because they'd have a larger percentage of the money and it would be worth more. That would make the rich so rich they could cause hyperinflation with a shopping spree.

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>>129637712

This is the most basic bitch reddit cancer I have seen in years

>>129637878
You mean capitalism?

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>>129637975

What economic system provides the most dead trannies per year?

>>129624524

First...

>A FUCKING LEAF

Second, no. Name me one country, just one, that has a population over 5,000,000 where socialism has worked. Just one. Because I can name you a great deal that have collapsed under the weight of socialist policies. People who taut the ideas of socialism as an actual solution to our problems today tend to be students or those who have a very poor understanding of history and/or human nature. Socialism doesn't work in a free society where the ideas of liberty are valued.

And do you want to know why? Because socialism isn't conducive to freedom. It requires me to give up the fruits of my labor to people who have not earned it. It requires people who work hard and pull more weight in society to give up a significant portion of their share to those who do not pull their own weight. Socialism tends to work better in very small societies, and that's because people who aren't doing their part are easier to call out. How do you do this in a country of well over a million people? You can't, so the top are dragged to the bottom, and when you drive away the smartest, most capable people, you get Cuba, you get Venezuela.

You are very naive OP, your philosophy is shit.

>>129624524
>Also since I'm going to work at my dads lawfirm a lot of people called me bourgeois but I actually looked up what Marx said about lawyers. They are part of the "intellectual working class" and are equally as discriminated as coal miners and servants since they must work their asses off for bosses
>Guise I am a member of the upper middle class, and grew up in the suburbs in a nice two story house with a lawyer daddy but I am working class just like you
fucking pathetic
I am a law student, but I come from the working class, grew up poor, joined the military and worked my way up to law school, you are not one of us faggot ass rich kid

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>>129624524
>there is a limited amount of money

>>129627064
Quakin' in my tendies!

>>129637839
What about Individualism and not looking at others with envy

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>>129637975
No I don't you retarded leaf.

>>129629533
How is GDP growth is bad? It is a good indicator of when a typcal person in any given country or region has excess resources to spend.

>>129637839
>Inherited wealth

If you have children one day you will understand. Every Mother and Father does they're utmost to leave they're children the best they can, it's the Natural order.

God Damn those parents that leave they're children a House in Disarray

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>>129636826
They are all capitalistic, in that they have private enterprise, run by a capitalist class. They own the means of production, labour uses those means to produce a surplus of value, the capitalist owns the means and therefore the surplus.
When the working class are able to determine what they do with their own surplus value, and when the MoP become collectively owned, you will have socialism.
Until then, enjoy porky's heel.

>>129637964
Doesn't mean I'm wrong

>>129628290
>East European Industrial sector looks industrial
>sufficient apartment blocks providing a residence to every worker

Socialism doesn't mean more trees and smaller buildings.
Socialism is only good for rubble and bomb craters from the government fighting its own people

>>129638527
GDP is just measured in how many products were bought and sold

Two billionaires buying and selling the same house 2000000 times while the population starves will still produce a MASSIVE Gdp

>>129638628
Well yeah my dad is buying me a house i understand WHY, i don't understand why anyone else puts up with it. So much wasted resources going into these kids who don't deserve it.

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>>129638684
Another commie leaf. Just nuke cucknada already

>>129624524
>I actually looked up what Marx said about lawyers. They are part of the "intellectual working class" and are equally as discriminated as coal miners and servants

This right here is the most Jewish thing ever posted on this board.

>>129638684
Ummm look at who owns oil production in Canada, Federal government owns some stock in it

>>129624524

Nice bait.

>>129624524
>capitalism sucks
>except when I can make a shit ton of money of shitty documentaries
actually a fucking faggot

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>>129624524
For you.

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>>129638801
>GDP is just measured in how many products were bought and sold

No it doesn't you retarded leafnigger teenage commie neckbeard. It measures value added. Is everyone on lefty/pol/ underage? Fucking kill yourself your posts have reduced my IQ by 20 points

>>129637943
Debts already go up relatively over time. It's called interest, and deflation would just chnage the baseline for its calculation if it weren't for central banking's machinations.

Socialism on the other hand does a shit job of not just creating value but at determining what is valuable.

>>129638743
>East European Industrial sector looks industrial
How is that good? I am too fucking lazy to study for my exams how the fuck do you expect me to work in a fucking factory?

>sufficient apartment blocks providing a residence to every worker
Ok seriously? In every country we have that im not talking about that im talking about making everyone rich as fuck,.

>>129624524
What the West needs is a system which will ensure the preservation of the people who built it.

>>129638972
How is it Jewish at all?

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>>129624524
>The West needs socialism

Neck yourself faggot

>>129624524
>since there is limited money when the rich get richer the poor get poorer
Why since the began of capitalism poor people across the world now are richer than kings of the past?

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>>129639196
Seriously kill yourself. This site is 18+

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>>129639196

>>129639023
leave troll

>>129639032
Yeah capitalism always sucks

>>129639041
That guy was a fucking nutcase who made shit up so his ass wasn't thrown in prison

>>129639072
Even if interest was 0% debts would still rise due to deflation

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>>129624524
>Also since I'm going to work at my dads lawfirm a lot of people called me bourgeois but I actually looked up what Marx said about lawyers. They are part of the "intellectual working class" and are equally as discriminated as coal miners and servants since they must work their asses off for bosses

RIP

>>129638170 here

In addition to this, I think there are a fair amount of people reading this thread who think what we have today in America is true, free market capitalism. What we have today is a limited free market system, and that's being generous.

What we have today is crony capitalism existing in a republic, look that up. Essentially it allows for the super rich to buy influence in government at all levels. That means they can rig the market to their advantage, cutting out competition through regulation and other means. In a true free market, this could not happen, at least not at the level it happens today.

So, before you bitches talk shit about capitalism, you should realize that you've never lived in a true capitalist system if you are living in America.

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>Founders of U.S.A tried socialist/commie BS
>Failed miserably

>Then tried CAPITALISM
>U.S.A. becomes best country in human history
(in VERY LARGE part because of Capitalism)

>>129624524
socialism = communism
communism = bad
fuck off leaf

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OP Almost got away with it too.

>>129638801
What would you consider a better marker for how well a population is doing?

>>129639556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE38dLxapVo
Don´t talk shit about something you don´t even dare to search.
Anyone with access to Google could have found this.
Except you.

>>129639599
What do you mean?

>>129624524
where's moores giant bag of money?

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>>129637712
Hahahahahaha

Capitalism and socialism are separated by the marxist pathway. We are currently at the extreme left near capitalism where corporate profits are favorite, and wealth inequality grows quickly. As this happens, growing discontent among the masses puts pressure on the government to introduce incremental socialist reforms to keep the masses placated just enough to avoid total marxist rebellion. Capitalism is the only way forward, but the marxist pathway must be carefully navigated so that the masses are content. Achieving this balance should be our primary focus. Complete socialism is the worst long-term decision any country can make. It would stunt our growth and waste enormous resources on luxury for the masses that they don’t need, and certainly should not become accustomed to.

>>129639829
Funny since in Americas golden age they were socialist, look at the 1950s

>>129639883
Capitalism = NAzism

>>129640018
How much wealth the median man has.

>>129640091
Yeah i watched the nutjob.

>>129628290
Thats oddly aesthetically appealing

>>129640177
i don't give a fuck

>>129639139
> How is that good? I am too fucking lazy to study for my exams how the fuck do you expect me to work in a fucking factory?
Every economic system involves manual work. Socialism and communism don't care about your gender studies degrees, they put you in the most suitable and productive position. Instead of freely choosing your path, like capitalism does.

>>129640353
>Capitalism = NAzism
poor leaf, failed by your socialist society. did your research in to marx go as far to find out what happened to those working class lawyers in the long run?
kek

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>>129624524

Fuck off you globalist cuck!

>>129628018
How do they measure corruption?

>>129624524
>we need a little socialism every now and then to break up the monopolies of giant multinational companies.

We could also do that with a minimal state instead of 50 years of death and suffering through communism though.
>t. a fucking statist

>>129640736
Law is an important subject, i'll use my law degree to be a lawyer. And no manuel work doesn't really exist anymore now that it's been offshored and we got robots doing everything


>>129640836
>socialism = communism
Poor you, brainwashed by your shitty education, also i did reserach lawyers nothing really happened

>>129641070
shut up globlaist

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>>129624524
Norway has long been socialist, and it has worked because every man cared for his other countrymen. We'd happily pay extra taxes to make sure that the family next door would have a safety net in case the breadwinner was unlucky and lost his job. Everyone had a sense of loyalty to one another.

When you include outsiders to the equation in the form of sandniggers, that sense of loyalty diminishes. The new arrivals have zero sense of loyalty to the people already in the country. So what do the new arrivals do when they understand that they don't have to work to receive housing, food and healthcare? Well, they abuse it.

And as abuse becomes public knowledge, the sense of loyalty amongst ethnic norwegians further diminishes. They want to pay less taxes, since they no longer care if their neighbor starves.

I love socialism in theory, and Norway had it great under it. But we're past the point of no return. Socialism is no longer sustainable in Norway.

The only reason we're able to keep our head slightly above water is the oil. But as more people who take advantage of the system enter our country, we'll drown in a few years.

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>>129641215
Do you think they had robots in 1930?
To say that something doesn´t exist anymore is basically losing an argument.
Manual work will always exist, doesn´t matter if robots do something or another. Right know there are some areas where it´s actually cheaper to hire people. There are some that don´t.
But let me make you remember that socialism and marxism doesn´t care that you have "x" degree (or in the strange case that you are well connected and powerful), they don´t acre that you say "muh socialism if for the people, so basically i do what i want", no socialism has a cost, and it is that you do what government tell you what to do and you dreams and aspirations have no importance.
Even the name says it. SOCIALISM, AKA the greater good for the "community". They will not care if you have a degree in law or in engineering. They will just care if you are an elite professionist. Which I guess you are not one.

>>129641753
you're a vad troll

>>129641409
But in socialism you don't need taxes since the government makes so much money from production

>>129641937
Yeah but it's not like anyone graduates school in manual work. Literally everyone i ever knew is getting a job in something office related like i know there is manual work but still.

>>129641409
then Hitler and Stalin were right?

Cummies please fuck off, you aren't human.

>>129624524
>and here's why

Go to bed buzzfeed

>>129642298
Buzzfeed is capitalist

>>129628290
And communism leads to starvation and bread lines. What's your point?

>>129639371
yeah, but if you bat off to dead trannies you should probably go to 8_c_h_a_n.

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>>129624524

>uses Michael Moore pic to validate shitty meme opinion held by teenagers and retards

Didn't even have to read, it was clearly shit from the start.

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>>129624524
/pol/ is a capitalist board leaf

>>129642457
Only retards are capitalists

>>129642476
It's a NAZI board actually

>>129642041
Coal miners and construction workers.
They don´t need school, they need physical strength and endurance, that by the way if you didn´t know it, every physically well-fed and healthy man is able.
First of all, socialism isn´t like capitalism, It ´s not that if you have a high school diploma or degree you can aspire to something greater.
It´s a system that violates its own rules in order to advance to the top of the pyramid.
How do you commit corruption when everyone is the same. Believe me, there are ways.
But in a system that is a completely separate system from capitalism, just because you have a degree you will suddenly get a good job or recognition of some type.

>>129628788
Did you know that if we taxed every single rich person 100% of their current worth that it would barely make a dent in the USAs debt? It's socialist policies like welfare and pensions that have fucked up the west not rich people.

>>129642436
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assistance_Program

not him but
>seventy point nine billion dollars
spent on breadlines for americucks in 2016 alone.

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>>129626119
>Chile:
>Average IQ 98
>Venezuela
>Average IQ 87

>hurr durr cause socialismg Guuiise!
That meme is just as autistic as socialism.

Venezuela has always been shit, long before socialism. Compare your country to it, you suffered decades of socialism, yet you aren't a total shit hole. That's because the average IQ of Estonia is decent.

IQ is the be all and end all metric for gauging a countries success. There is not one successful low IQ nation on Earth, and that my friend, is a fact.

Comparing nation-states without first taking into account, IQ, is a mistake.

>>129642529
every former socialist country is even a worse shithole than my country..you should really take the Capitalpill

>>129642693
Then that means there isn't enough money to pay off the debt, and no economic system will change that. It's funny since when the U.S was socialist the debt was actually shrinking.

>>129642797
With that IQ, no wonder why they chose to be a socialist state.

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>>129641070
Capitalism is globalist by definition.

>>129642797
suuure

>>129642845
America is a rich country and is fomrer socialist

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>>129628018
Why should I care about GPD growth when this only positively affects the top 20%? I'll be glad if I ever make it to top 50%.

>>129643172
>the leaf thinks IQ is a joke

>>129643289
without the GDP growth, those top 20% with all the money will take it elsewhere, leaving your country to be fucked. You want to live in the country where the top 20% are putting their money.

>>129643442
BUT IN MUH SOCIALISM IQ IS ILLEGAL BECUSE ITS MICROAGRESSIONS AGAINST MINORITIES ARE UNHUMAN. SO YUR POINT IS INVALID.

>>129642529

>socialist
>fucking leaf
>intelligent

Yeah, nah, m8, you're human excrement, and you also have to be 18 to post here, so the mods should be banning your underage MUH SOCIALISM IS GUD retarded ass any moment now.

Shut your fucking mouth commie leaf. Your country has 36 million people. The US is nearing 400 million.

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>>129624524
LOL didn't read because you're a fucking communist

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>>129624524
I was going to refute all your false points but then I realized you are a leaf. No one takes your kind seriously.

>>129642797
How do you know the relationship between IQ and a country's success is causal?

Isn't it just as possible that being poor has environmental consequences on IQ/brain development? Perhaps the underlying mean IQ of different populations is obscured by this?

>nations need militaries to survive and compete
>militaries are socialist entities
the ultimate controller of society is culture/education/propaganda, with the right culture many a system will work splendidly

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>>129643854
If the Liberals have their way, we'll be at 100M in no time.

Careful now, or we'll unleash the refugee army on you burgers.

>>129644448
It´s a utopian dream to say "if there was..." or "with the right culture, people, values, etc."
As many sociologists know, society isn´t a perfect entity, and it has a lot of flaws.
Now, maybe other systems can be better, but in theory.
As a utopia, as a dream.
because these were formulated by people that thought that society was like a machine that doesn´t have flaws.
Capitalism was designed through the course of almost the birth of civilization. And, yeah, it has problems, but it is the most efficient and productive system when it´s adjusted to the society we have now.
Utopias don´t work, get over it.

>>129638170
>where socialism has worked
If you look at Russia and the surrounding region prior to WW1 compared to the Western countries, and then compare the growth of the USSR to the growth in the West, the USSR actually worked.

It could have been so much better though, and in the end the people were just ruled by a different elite with a different name.

Planned economy is IN THEORY superior to Capitalism. The problem is how to implement it, and with Modern computers I think we are more ready than ever though. The problem with the people that will operate/control these computers still remain though.

>human nature
Is tribalism and not individualism. Capitalism is alienating and makes you compete with your neighbor. There is barely any form of depression or mental illness among people living in tribes. We can't dream of going back to societies like this for obvious reasons, but I think it's possible to organize to mirror a tribalist social and economic structure.

>It requires me to give up the fruits of my labor to people who have not earned it.
In a society with planned socialist economy people would be required to work, or starve like in a tribe.

>Socialism tends to work better in very small societies
Absolutely, which is why power should ultimately be decentralized. Problem here lies in that centralized states are generally superior militarilly/in espionage/quickly shift production etc., which is why the USSR centralized in the 30s when they couldn't manage to handle all the sabotage and infiltration as well as the draught that hit it. The original plan was to decentralize and give much more power to the Soviets.

>and when you drive away the smartest, most capable people
This is indeed a problem, but not the biggest. I would never leave Norway voluntarily even if I got a much better economy elsewhere and it's not like most or the best of the scientists in the USSR left the country or anything. Greedy people with no loyalty would be the first.

>>129638170
Also Cuba is a relatively good example of a planned economy considering that the most powerful country on earth is their neighbor, and hostile to them. Constantly plotting to destabilize/sabotage the country.

Venezuela is not a planned economy and the food shortages they are having are sectors not controlled by the government but by private ownership. Most media channels there are privately owned and run by people against "Chavism" as well as massive sabotage and infiltration from the US.

>>129645057
>Utopias don´t work, get over it.
There is no paradise behind the skies, get over it.

Communists dream of paradise on earth, religious people dream of paradise after death. Both are probably impossible, but at least you in theory can come closer to creating a paradise by trying.

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>>129624524
ya need to stick this right up yer ass, boi

>>129624524
>Michael Moore
>self hating fat dyke who's trying to be edgy
>will be dead soon
>has no children or vested interest in the future of this world

fuck this guy and any faggot who blindly watches his work.

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>>129631422
I don't care if everybody can or can't do this. Survival of the fittest as it has always been.

>>129624524

He is more of a capitalist than anybody here.

And if socialist societies are so great why do they collapse after a few decades?

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>>129631798
>Implying you know how machines operate.
I program and maintain several CNC mills and lathes, and with these machines I make parts for other CNC machines that still need programmers, operators, maintenance, and repair from time to time. Jobs still exist.

"in a capitalist system, corporations.."
Don't exist. A corporation is a regulatory and legal fiction creation of government, and has not place in a free market, In which full personal liability and responsibility for actions are pretty much THE key mechanism for feedback and control.

Perhaps try reading about what capitalism is, before regurgitating whatever propaganda you swallowed when your communist sources vomited in your mouth.

>>129624524
>i need socialism and here's how i'll rationalise imposing it upon all of you
What you little faggots need to understand is that, ultimately, no economic system is really any better than an other. Capitalism has so far proven to be the most stable of all attempted economic models, though one could argue this is due in no small part to intrinsic toolset for population control that Capitalism offers. Regardless, it has so far been the most stable at the least domestic cost.

Just like all other systems and all other cycles the cycle of capitalism will come to an end in some way in some place. Replaced with Socialism or Communism or some other Ism that the unknowingly enslaved populous demand because their absurdly wealthy overlords quietly nudged them to demand it after spotting an opportunity to boost their wealth somehow. Then in another fifty, hundred or two hundred years the cycle shifts again and people demand Capitalism or something else.

In each an every system there are the poor and the rich, both marginally and exceedingly. People like you just don't understand this notion because you've never lived through another system nor have you picked up a damn book to learn of the lives of those under other systems. Those under Socialism make the same complaints that those under Capitalism do, and they in turn make the same complaints that those under Communism do. Forevermore in a circlejerk of complaining.

The real red pill is not that the economic system of your land is to blame but the people you allow to rule over you. Instead of demanding a new economic model to suffer under in much the same ways as now, why don't you make the much ballsier demand that those in power are strung from lampposts for subjecting your people to a reincarnation of slavery wrapped in a family friendly bullshit.

>A FUCKING LEAF

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>>129624524
>>>/leftypol/

>>129640353
>Funny since in Americas golden age they were socialist, look at the 1950s
Uh NO! That was a "One-Off" period that happened because of "special circumstances" that were a result of events that had just taken place, little events like...
>The Great Depression
>World War II

>>129647620
Corporate capitalism is a term used in social science and economics to describe a capitalist marketplace characterized by the dominance of hierarchical, bureaucratic corporations.

you fucking moron

>>129624524
1) corperations can't cause inflation. Inflation is a product of oversupply of money which is caused by excessive borrowing or excessive printing of fiat currency. capitalism has no mechanism to do this, only governments can.

2) Labor laws make you poorer. I could be making 20K more a year if it weren't for all the mandatory compensation I get through PTO, insurance, and other alternative compensation that companies use in lieu of cash because its taxed less.

3) Companies under capitalism can't "break the system" because the system is what enables them to operate. If you "break the system" you're really fucked, because no amount of fictional dollar bills or even real bricks of gold is worthless if there isn't someone to trade it with.