Jordan Peterson

>>129616402
Clean your synagogue.

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>>129616690
don't you see that this man is a government shill trying to shackle men to mortgages and marriage without questioning the structure of society?

>>129616402
>people NEED to listen to me

no proof = kike trickery

>>129617047

But Peterson does want you to question the structure of society. The sooner you do so, the sooner you come around to his perspective.

>>129616402
I'm not sold on everything he says, but I have to admit that this man managed to drastically influence my life and not for the worse.
I have no clue how he does it, but his way of thinking is truly refreshing. Maybe because I'm a nihilist and was looking for quite some time for someone who can challenge that philosophical dead end.

>flag

Your country will be glass in time.

>>129617707
he doesn't question the institution of marriage which is completely corrupt
most of his messages are conformal as it gets. most of the stuff he is saying is what parents has been saying forever. he is not pushing the limits of what is acceptable

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>>129618213
Being a voice of common sense is good enough in times like these though.

>>129618213
I'm a Jew and to see other Jews disparaging marriage makes me sick

>>129617971

Your post probably speaks for the vast majority of /pol/. Peterson himself talks about how his audience are 90% male.

>>129616402
he is a persuasive speaker

His shit is full on retarded though but it's the same with any cult leader. He talks like he knows some spiritual secret to life so people want and like that. Humans have been attracted to "easy outs" like spiritualism and religion throughout our history.

>>129618434
i said its corrupt, didn't you hear me?
>>129618408
this is true. i do support traditionalist values. but we cannot have a traditionalist society with high divorce rates. fix what is needed to be fixed first

>>129618213

You Jews have internalized your desire to destroy civilization so much you don't even realize when you're actively doing it anymore.

>>129618794
kys Jew

>>129618213
In recent American history there was still family units, conservatism etc. It didn't stop the country from turning into degenerate shit. The idea that a degenerate country with genocidal leaders like USA will somehow go all "good" because men shackle themselves to being normie divorce-threatened fathers is bullshit.

Anyone buying into the normie taxpayer family shit is buying into garbage.

>>129618713
He explicitly states that there is no easy way out. You have to work and you have to sacrifice. You are a lazy piece of shit and/or a shit.

>>129618929
SEE: A Jordan cultist. Religions and spirituality always use the word hard shit dumbfuck. I'm talking a bout the realization there is no afterlife or God.

>>129617971
Nihilism is contradictory
It's a non argument

>>129618488
Sometimes I really think he might be the father figure I was missing my whole life.

>>129618213
I think you are correct in some superficial way, however that maybe is just what we needed to hear. It's certainly good to question things when you are young, but one day you need to grow up and accept the common values of your society or you will be lost. Peterson has a really good way to explain how those cultural values came to be and why they resonate with us, even though we might intellectually reject them.

I guess it's kinda the same, like with those feminists who embrace islam. On one hand they claim, that they are against male dominance, but in reality deep down they cannot wait to be raped and force married by muslim migrants. It could be considered our duty to dominate those women our self, so that they don't need to invite foreign barbarians.

>>129618927
you are confusing cause with effect
>>129618916
you are not happy to see me, okay
>>129618901
i don't care about what the jews did, im talking my own behalf

>>129616402
>why people take this man seriously?
desperation

/thread

>>129617047
Well he seems to acknowledge that regular guys - not the driven, disagreeable, neurotic ones obsessed with climbing dominance hierarchies - are seriously getting the short end of the stick, and always have.

I would like to see him add some nuance to his prescription to simply swallow one's resentment, buck up and try harder. It does nothing to address the source of the resentment, which is something like the average guy's reaction to his own assessment of the crookedness and corruption of the machinery of the dominance hierarchy itself. There is truth in that assessment and it needs airing in detail.

It also does nothing to address the fact that bucking up and taking on your part in what is increasingly amounting to a scam ends up contributing to it.

I know JBP wants to avoid senseless suffering, and he also seems very aware that resentment is building organically.

I would implore him to speak more of the whole truth. There are stark omissions from his ouevre. I trust he is being circumspect for good reason.

>>129619033

How does that change the nature of existence as being that of suffering and struggle? You're coddled if you think otherwise.

Follow his advice and you will absolutely improve your life. Simple as that

>>129618927
>anyone who isn't an basement dwelling edgelord NEET like me is buying into garbage
Most likely you just don't want to face the reality that you've failed to become the best person you could be for no reason other than your own laziness and apathy.

>>129618213

>implying people being too stupid to care about their families isn't half the problem in the first place

>>129619151
this is so beta

There are millions of "good dad" types who worked hard and payed taxes. Those people had even higher percentages of the population 40 years ago when good middle class jobs existed. It didn't save society or stop it from degenerating.

It's a complete lie to presume that returning to 40 years ago socially will somehow fix things. That set of variables existed to get to today's degenerate society. Jordan's philosophy is cucked and stupid. He is using a tried and true easy out method of influence. Ask some 45 year old dude with a divorced wife and 3 kids he hardly sees how that ends up in modern society.

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>>129616402
op you are dishonest and you frame peterson in a dishonest way because you're a loser.

>>129618213
then let's purify it again, dolt. If fags, feminists changed it, we can too. Stop being defeatist.

>>129619169
So tell me. If every white person or good person in the west just works hard at their shitty jobs will that save the West? It's a bullshit lie from peterson.

>>129616402
I challenge anyone here to summarize his core thesis
*protip, you can't*
Why can't you sum up his beliefs? Because they are an incoherent tangle of banal platitudes, quotes from movies, and ridiculous analogies about lobsters and dragons.
Jordan Peterson is a nutcase that belongs in a mental institution.

>>129618213
>he is not pushing the limits of what is acceptable
Because he's not a Jew. Only in the twisted minds of your people and those under their rhetorical influence is it necessary to make the unaccptable acceptable and vice versa

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>>129618794
Good points.

>>129619290
>nature of existence
Yes, the underlying pattern to existing is to not die, which means you have to survive. This spiritualism extrapolated from it is retarded.

>>129618213
Yes he does retard.

>>129619451
>It's a complete lie to presume that returning to 40 years ago socially will somehow fix things.

why not?
>>129619528
he has good intentions, im not saying he scams anyone. he is extremely smart, much more than i am. but he is missing some points.
>>129619609
im not an advocate of critical theory. i just want to explain how things that used to work can't work again because of new barriers

>>129619298
>Failed to become the best person you could be
This is such self-help mumbo jumbo. Why do you think I want or desire any of those things?

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>>129619528

>guy looks at social decline
>decides to try and convince people to be more conscientious and dependable instead of sitting around whining and inhaling sugar like a bunch of adult babies
>"huurrr this motherfucker juz wants me to get a jawb nigga I ain't doin' that illuminati wage slave sheeeit"

literally the mentality of an edgy 13-year old boy

>>129619831
It simply won't work. Even keeping nationalism alive is on the edge of falling apart. Western nations are being destroyed worse than even WW2 or WW1 right now.

>>129616402
He presents archtypes, which weak people fear because they don't measure up and don't have the stones to do self-work.
Now go clean your room.

>>129618713
Maybe you're just retarded. There's nothing spiritual about what he's talking about. It's mostly just common sense.
His references to Christianity mostly have to do with tradition, family and community, and how secularism as an ideology has failed to fill the void.

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>>129617047
i wonder who could be oh wait

>>129619691

Yes and through shared values and community, people establish a system that improves the lot of the whole and on enough through subsequent generations. Then overeducated intellectuals divorced entirely from the state of nature show up and ruin it all.

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>>129616402
you and everyone else can throw all the shit in the world at him and not a single atom will stick. but keep trying, bucko

>>129619897
>hurr society is declining in every meaningful way and degenerated.
>your nations are spending more energy and resources replacing you
>media and culture is turning against white people

Just work harder shitters. Anyone buying this is a retard.

>>129620075
He is disguising the degeneration/destruction of western society with some moral shit of the plebes. The plebes had no control of what is happening unless they actually got pissed and rebelled hard enough. Being a good normie is not that.

>>129617047
He's a Canadian you schmuck. Not even a remotely credible jewish lie.

>>129620213

Are you that much of a drone that you can't see how being responsible in general has uses other than your job? You're literally arguing in favour of being a bitter lazy piece of shit.

>>129620006
people elected trump based on a culture shift. you wouldn't elect a business shark if he didn't present new ideas and approaches

>>129619451
>It's a complete lie to presume that returning to 40 years ago socially will somehow fix things.
It's not about returning to 40 years ago. It's about returning to the standards that have been practised throughout most of history.

Fuck you you snarky piece of shit. Commie kikes are the fucking worst, you are the plague killing this world, and while I don't hate jews in general, I'd gladly gas every single one of you. Altho religious kikes also suck because they enable you.
As that other fag said, you've internalized the commiekike agenda so much you don't realise what you're doing.

>he is not pushing the limits of what is acceptable

You gave yourself away there. Fuck you and fuck your kind. At some point, god, karma or nature will get you.

>>129618213
> the institution of marriage which is completely corrupt
You won't be getting anywhere here whore, may every woman you meet abort your offspring and give you disease in return.

>>129619098
I don't want to debate over the exact definition of the word, because there are different interpretations of it and I don't really care.

I personally stopped believing in gods or any kind of magic at around 12. At the beginning, like many atheist, I claimed that "being good" doesn't need a god and that our values are simply part of humanity (basically what humanism claims). However when I grew older I started to think that it's all basically meaningless. To some extend we behave, because there are laws and other people who would kill you if you acted all out, but if there are no universal rules, basically anything could be considered acceptable.

The problem with this kind of thinking is, that even though it might be true on a outsider (outside humanity) perspective, it certainly isn't true for humanity itself. Our values probably really emerged together with our culture and are to some degree hard coded inside of us. Peterson didn't invent these ideas himself, he is highly influenced by people like Jung, dostoevsky, Nietsche and others. These aren't religious people and neither is Peterson. I highly doubt that he is even partaking in any religious rituals. He basically uses god as some kind of metaphor for the truth inside us and I kinda like that way of thinking.

>>129619451
You are way to fixated on the marriage thing. I won't marry myself, hell I can't even imagine having a girlfriend. But this doesn't mean that we can't improve ourself and start rebuilding our fucking culture, which truly is a fucking privilege to have. If we don't stop with our hedonistic way, we will destroy it all for good and have a very shitty rest of our lifes.

>>129620684
>You won't be getting anywhere here
i know that. because its your best interest not to piss off your precious white woman and their sacred alter of divorce and abortion

>>129620329
He's preaching old-school, conservative values that used to be universal on both sides of the political spectrum a generation or two ago, something a lot of young men really need to hear in this day and age. I grew up in a traditional family and my childhood could have been right out of an American 1950s ad, but there are a lot of young men who didn't have that luxury.

>>129620472
No I'm not. I'm arguing that saying go be normies is not viable. People have to be politically involved and the reality of what is going on has to be spread.

Let's take it through a simple logical example. 50%+ of jobs will be replaced by AI in the next say 30 years. Globalism wants American people to be the same as African people in wealth and in general society is turning anti-white.

so tell me exactly what does middle class existence trajectory lead to? Sometime soon a machine will replace you and you are left with UBI or some similar thing. Which will be globalized. So all your work turns into what?

It's similar to Americans or say Germans who worked hard to build up a society or for society and some muslim shits who hate them get free housing and welfare.

I see zero point to invest into a society that essentially is going no where and not going to reward or even care about citizenship vs non citizenship. Hence I'll work an easy, high $ / low time job and focus on other things than materials.

This society from all my intuition is not going to reward it's citizens for work and with the coming insane era of AI there is basically no point unless you are going to become a millionaire / billionaire to expect anything other than the same as niggers who sit in ghettos acting like animals.

>>129618434
Because it wont induce men into an institution where they will be motivated to increase their income, therefore won't be contributing to the tax based that your fellow kike brothers feed off of?

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Stop watching porn

>>129620075
>how secularism as an ideology has failed to fill the void.

This right here. It's foolhardy to think that society can survive without a replacement for Christianity.

>>129616402
No one should watch porn, but at the same time he's not wrong when he says that only men are people. The rest are degenerates that have to be led by men, else society falls ill.

>>129616690
absolutely this

>>129621175

Your last point there about automation gets at what I'm saying- what Peterson's saying isn't just 'be dilligent in your toll booth attendance', it's that you just need to be responsible to be in any way useful, the same could apply to being politically engaged like you say- an activist ir whatever who works hard and knows what he's talking about is worth any number of sign-waving SJW dupes just taking the easy road. And what about when nobody works like you say? Do we just sit down and shit ourselves forever or deal with it and find something else to live for?

>>129621560
it's too vague.

>be useful
no duh. but what super-organism are you being useful for? If you hate globalism and the current direction of society why would you essentially toil to become a "good tax paying" citizen in it?

Globalism is mass genocide of culture and an abandonment of any reward for work. Tell me why a German citizen would want to pay taxes when the money is going to someone who would happily murder them?

>>129616402

The good thing is that his ideology breeds conservative women which see their job in breeding the next and capable generation.

This is the foundation of the right steps towards the future.

>>129621817
Africa/Population
1.216 billion

Asia/population
4.436 billion

European/population
743.1 million

good luck with incrementalism, 3 generations from now it's going to be like 30% white in Europe.

>>129621469
The problem is Christianity is pretty much done for. It's too fucking weird and doesn't make sense anymore. We need to invent some kind of new cyber religion. Maybe Kekism is the first step, but I'm certain the hivemind can come up with something even more sophisticated. Maybe it is time to start at the beginning again and have something similar to Shinto, with many cool gods to choose from and if you are not happy with them you can make up your own and present them to others in nice festivals with booze and sweets.

>>129618213
>he is not pushing the limits of what is acceptable
could you BE any more jewish

>>129621771

I'm just repeating myself but you don't have to be a 'good tax-paying citizen', even if you decide to become a masked anticapitalist bomber you still have to have your shit together to get anywhere. 'Useful' doesn't mean 'useful working for the post office', it means 'useful because you can actually carry out your intent instead of sitting around feeling hard done by'. And yeah that is vague as fuck but I'm only shitposting, I'm not Nietzsche

>>129621524
>No one should watch porn
okay lets assume i agree.
now, what is your point against masturbation or porn? is it superficial? yes. is it degenerate? yes. but nofap is means to a no end. what are you accomplishing with nofap? and futhur more how can you convince incels with no gf to stop watching porn and pump iron (which in return will give them blue balls and make them even more depressed)

>>129621560

This. The work to be done is not just in a single sphere. Whether it's in the political, academic, or economic realms, western men have to put in the effort. Peterson knows where his battle lies and is just asking for help.

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>>129619268
>It does nothing to address the source of the resentment...

Dude, what the fuck are you talking about. You DON'T address the resentment. Not at all. Rather, you work to further it.

Alinsky said it best that you have to "rub the resentment raw."

Instituting National Socialism isn't going to happen if we make things BETTER. You need to work to make people MORE resentful, not LESS RESENTFUL.

>>129618213
I love when shills of all flavor say they hate a guy because he doesn't tackle their pet issue. Like every useful idea has to solve this one problem you see.

No. He's not out to fix marriage. He's not out to fix gender relations.

His goal, as far as i can see, is to re-orient the young men of our generation towards building a positive image for themselves, and therefore a positive society.
He's promoting the primary virtues that civilization is based on. Of course this is good. Of course we should promote him.

>>129622164
To some degree. There is also the aspect of perception. I'm not pessimistic, depressed, or unhappy. The point simply is that "blue pilled" acceptance of things is the absolute worst state of being. You become the plebe toiling in the field.

>>129622583
>His goal, as far as i can see, is to re-orient the young men of our generation towards building a positive image for themselves, and therefore a positive society.

Here's how you do that...

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEFfnZUq3io

>>129621771
Why don't you join a local militia or care for your elderly or whatever. We can't set your goals for yourself. If you reflect for yourself you will certainly find something where you can be useful. If you are unhappy with the current society, why not try to change it. If you really don't find anything at all and feel completely powerless, why don't you start by cleaning up your fucking room. Then start working out, eating healthy. Make friends and maybe even get a gf. If you hate your job, maybe try something new or start your own business. It's really not that hard and I guarantee that it at least somewhat improves your life.

ITT people that don't get "worker culture" is just a way to keep people enslaved.

>>129622583
young men have nothing to do with society. matter of fact your government maliciously do things to hurt your citizens like mass immigration and destructive policies.

if swedan is so informed about migrants now. why the fuck didn't the swedish government sent all the skinshits their way home on boats? government is not "people's people"

>>129619374
abdul gets it

>>129622602

Yeah, no disagreement there. I still believe in doing a good job or not doing it at all, but that's just my perspective. I'm not going to debase myself doing a half-arsed job cleaning toilets like 'nyeeeh that's show em I put the roll on the wrong way round', I'd rather just quit and be poor. If I don't mind doing something to begin with I might as well do it properly rather than being lazy and resentful.

>>129616402
>the jew will never be content, he has the impulse to subvert everything that is giving a positive reinforcement to the goyim

i despise people who say jews were just a scapegoat. you deserved everything, OP.

>>129622729
>Here's how you do that...
Well that wouldn't work in the modern age. You need a message that is independent of race as such.
And look: he's talking about it when he says to revere your father. He's not being specific to whites or Europeans.... He's appealing to something more basic.

>>129618403
this

>>129619892
Lol, yeah man, why would you wanna be anything other than a loser?
Fucking pathetic.

>>129622930
Today's young men are tomorrows politicians. Society's biggest problem today is a lack of moral character. A lack of a unifying ethic. It needs to be rebuilt from the ground level.

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>>129622774

Yes. Hunters and gatherers 15,000 ago were just doing the bidding of the international banking cartel of the time.

>>129619831
Things that used to work still work. We just won't implement them because we aren't at a point yet where people get tired of "challenging accepted norms" and seeing the disasterous results to rediscover those accepted norms. We're just at the beginning of the descent into a dark age.

>>129622774
t. communist faggot.

>muh fatcats
>muh class warfare

divide and conquer bullshit.

>>129623242
Not really my point. You either aim for upper class or easiest possible job. I'm talking about "hard good workers".

>>129616402
Because you've over simplified his points and now I'm going to double down on understanding his life philosophy.
>flag checks out

>>129621175
>I see zero point to invest into a society that essentially is going no where and not going to reward or even care about citizenship vs non citizenship. Hence I'll work an easy, high $ / low time job and focus on other things than materials.

This is something that most people don't factor into their equations. Many people need to have a society worth investing in before they'll even invest in themselves.

What Peterson does is try to call forward some sort of superhuman who can make up his own values and meta-narrative, but that is dogshit. It doesn't work.

>>129623078
What? Messages based on race seem pretty effective imo.

>>129623689
>Messages based on race seem pretty effective imo.


They are. He just wants you to hate others and yourself for being white.

>>129623311
the migrant crisis happened nearly a decade ago. where are all the young parties? oldest millennials are fucking 30 now
the government shouldn't do such things without consensus. there was no consensus with the migrant issue, ever. people agreed to help migrants but the government siphoned people from Africa and put them in big cities everywhere

>>129616690
fpbp

>>129616402
Because he just wants people to take control of their own lives. Lead by action instead of this I'm a victim so listen to me garbage. His view is one that is greatly lacking in society, that's why people are listening to him

>>129616402
you bear flase witness against jordan peterson. with your own words you will be judged.

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>>129623647

that's the funny thing about him, the absolute introductory stuff is all very basic and self-help guru but the mix of everyone he's read ends up being full on beyond fashy Evola territory sometimes. It's fine, there's nothing wrong with a bit of STEPPING OVER

>>129623689
It's not. It will not solve the problem. It divides people further and makes society more dysfunctional.
So many people begin to take pride in their race as if that is an accomplishment.... as if that is enough. Peterson rightly says this is incomplete. You must develop yourself. It must be about you becoming the thing you wish to see in the world.

>>129620213
You can still do things for yourself that don't involve working and thus paying taxes to a corrupt system that constantly shits on you in every conceivable way every day.

It sounds cheesy, but you could learn things like learning how to cook meals that make your days tastier. Small stuff like that. Just nothing that feeds western society if you want it to die ASAP

>>129623903
because some "people" have been rallying for 30 years about how good immigrants are for economy and how in 20 years we will be "fighting" over african migrant workers.

Look at what IMF encourages worlwide.

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>>129616402
>life is suffering
It makes me sad knowing that there are people who think this. Take a break from your own life, stop worrying about everything on your mind for just a single day, go out and walk around in nature when the sun's out, and I guarantee you all the philosophy in the world couldn't convince you that life is suffering.

>>129620199
>>129616402
The existential tragedy we live in.

>>129623903
Well idk about israel. We don't have parties like that in america.

We DO have younger politicians who are slowly making their way up the ladder.

>>129616402
again....who?

>>129624281

I always took that to mean 'life is more suffering than not' on a general scale looking at how nature works and what human society is like, as a way of being more grateful for how good life is for most of us by comparison. I don't think it's meant to be some emo 'bro I'm like always sad' slogan

>>129624272
no that never happened. the migrant crisis happened because of the syrian civil war but your government started welcoming work migrants that came on boats. in the video of the "migrant invasion" the majority of them were fucking african, not middle eastern

>>129622024
>It's too fucking weird and doesn't make sense anymore.

You're talking to a Mexican-American here, bro. It's no where near like that where I live nor is it like that with the rest of white America.

>Maybe it is time to start at the beginning again and have something similar to Shinto, with many cool gods to choose from and if you are not happy with them you can make up your own and present them to others in nice festivals with booze and sweets.

WTF dude? Maybe you do deserve Islam if you're gonna have retarded ass notions like that.

>>129616402

He's a stupid fucking meme magician and professional shekel-collector.

It's very simple (since most of you are idiots): If you listen to some political e-Celeb for an hour, and in that hour, they haven't laid out any plan or call-to-action, they aren't serious, and they don't know what the fuck they are talking about. They just want attention/fame/money and their goal is to keep you coming back for more of their BS.

>>129616402

>it's another anti-Peterson thread

Jesus, really pumping them out now aren't they. Not subtle at all.

>>129624693
https://blogs.imf.org/2016/10/24/migrants-bring-economic-benefits-for-advanced-economies/

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>>129624281
>walk around in nature when the sun's out

and then you step on a poisonous snake.

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>>129616402
These anti-JP shill threads are always annoying and they always have the worst misrepresentations of the guy. Also note the (((((flag)))))). This man is doing good work and /pol/ shouldn't listen to the shills that are trying to make them turn on one of their own.

>>129624824
Hes a uni professor that isnt a total left wing nutjob
that is already a special snowflake

>>129624824

So literally every text that didn't begin

>Step One: Do This

was bullshit? Make your own call to arms instead of edging it up

>>129625022
>and then you step on a philosopher
FTFY

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>>129616402

You are either using a proxy to LARP as a kike or the stereotype is true and you must be gassed with your people for trying to destroy anglo majority nations through degeneracy. Either way FUCK OFF and

>SAGE

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>>129616402
fuck off you little bitch, go back to dumblr

>>129624836
yes, by a jew.

it's either a joke or shareblue turned off their proxies.

>>129624925
i think they mean skilled workers with masters and phd's.
even canada and australia have very rigorous questionnaire to people that want to live there

>>129620911
>Dostoevsky
>Not religious

>>129616690
Fpbp

>>129616402

If porn doesnt serve any benefit in my life why would i need it?

>>129616402

It hurts, kike, isn't it?

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>>129616402
He must have struck some nerve if you shills are trying to discredit him so hard.

>>129620911
>Peterson didn't invent these ideas himself, he is highly influenced by people like Jung, dostoevsky, Nietsche and others. These aren't religious people and neither is Peterson.

Dostoyevsky and Nietzsche dedicated a large amount of their lives warning against the dangers of Nihilism and Godlessness, which is precisely where Peterson is taking off. Read "Demons" if you don't believe me. Nietzche's infamous "God is dead" quote is a lamentation.

>>129625527
he thinks he "needs" anything other than food, shelter, and community

>>129618213
Why do you dissuade marriage? I'm so sick of hearing everything negative about marriage. Is anyone in the future going to get married when all they hear is how corrupt and awful it is? What should it be replaced with? What is the best way to raise children without marriage?

>>129620549
>It's about returning to the standards that have been practised throughout most of history.
Except that's not what he preaches. All his values are from the 60s and 70s.

>>129625947
everytime a man and a woman get to a divorce court. flip a coin for the kids and the payments

>>129619597
Life philosophies which can be summed up in one point are retarded anyway.

>tax is theft
>capitalism is ebil
>the poor are poor because of bad choices
>there is no meaning in anything

>>129616690
apex shadilay

>>129616690
fpbp

>>129626110

Is that the fault of the institution itself or of progressives subverting the law to warp outcomes?

>>129626110
My maternal grandparents stayed married for over 60 years until my grandfather's death. Can this not be replicated in future generations? Isn't marriage worth it, if divorce is avoided?

>>129625893
it's always a worthy kek when I see someone misunderstand nietzsche. I guess they're so used to being edgy atheists themselves that when they read Zarathustra their manic atheism corrupts the text.

>>129625992
Not really, no. His fascination seems to be with philosophers from the late 1800s.

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>>129619597
>I challenge anyone here to summarize his core thesis

His core thesis is that there is wisdom in ancient stories and that we as a society should be more open to understanding this wisdom because the lessons are critical to developing a productive society.

In other words: Our current political problems stem from the fact that society forgot these lessons from our past.

>>129626471
its not progressives or post modernists. the judges unironically believe that is because the mother is the natural nurturer of the child she should get the children and help herself with the fathers payments.
this is how we ended up with 95% single mothers. have you ever heard the term single father?
reform from top to bottom. want the kids? pay for everything or make a shared custody with each parent putting up a grand a month

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My god, this is the best redpill tactic of all time, OP:
>Get Israeli proxy
>Post anti JBP thread on /pol/
>Literally shill for MGTOW, porn, hedonism, beatnik value questioning bullshit and being a NEET
> Convince guys the world over to take Peterson seriously
>Everyone wants to join your team
Congratulations, dear boy! You won the Internet!

>>129626667
No, his fascination is with the 60s/70s Western (specifically American/Canadian) academic interpretation of them.

Otherwise he'd be telling you what kind of sexual pervert Jung was and what secret societies he was in, and how Jungian psychoanalysis is a dangerous cult for example.

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>>129619457
This. You can only twist the fabric of reality so far until it springs back. In the old testament every Jewish kingdom was prosperous until it fell into degeneracy and was destroyed. Does this Jew think he's smarter than literally every person that has ever existed before him?

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>>129616402
Why do people keep sucking this guy's dick. We've had months of this. Enough is enough. I demand the mods implement an instant ban for anyone who posts "Jordan Peterson" on this board ever again.

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>>129616402
fuck off kike

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>>129616402
stop shilling shit on /pol/

>>129622930
Goddamn you piss me off more than any shitskin ever could you fucking Jew

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>>129627169
nice pepe

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>>129616690
Ultra top laff

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>>129616402
He isn't a political leader, he is a guy giving advices to millenials that the boomers did not because they were rebellious tards with easy life raised by a shell shocked generation.

My father always provided for me, fairly well materially but he never explained jackshit to me, my mother did but she is just a woman and don't know anything about what it is to be a man.
He didn't transmit anything in term of tradition, belief or philosophy and I have to rediscover everything by myself in my mid 20s.
But hey, at least I had a father, large part of my generation were raised by single women, I can't imagine how much it has fucked lot of them, no wonder why so many of them are criminals.

Jordan is the man, you're just mad jelly of that 45k patreon. Because you haven't rescued your father. Small son.

>>129616402
The most Jewish post I've seen in a while
And I don't even watch jp

>>129619296
i agree, anon. or at the very least you can have a better grasp on things.

>>129627331
gas for the rescue

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>>129618901
underrated post

REMINDER THAT JORDAN PETERSON CONSTANTLY RECOMMENDS READING ALEXANDER SOLZENITSYN'S BOOKS.

ALEXANDER SOLZENITSYN WAS DEEPLY REDPILLED ON THE JEWISH QUESTION.

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>>129625992

this line that he's just a basic bitch liberal pandering to alt right kids for shekels just isn't true, it's a copout way to dismiss him. And I'm not his PR guy, I'm not saying he's got the correct answers to everything. But go ahead and find one other mainstream public figure who argues for truly right wing ideas in a philosophical sense, and I mean the stuff the lads who nerd it up in NatSoc generals would recognise.

>hierarchy
>tradition
>natural law
>noble good vs. 'compassionate' good

It's like we're listening to different guys, he's the complete opposite of 'le white Neil Degrasse Tyson psychology man'

>>129622435
The true motive of the cuck porn presents itself.

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>>129618213
you've encapsulated jewish mentality really well within the span of a few sentences

rather than consent to order you'd have it overthrown entirely

>>129624696
So you would prefer Islam over this massive fun festival: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohNiyT7mQTM

>>129625397
>>129625893
>>129626613
I'm perfectly aware of what Nietzsche meant with his "god is dead" allegory. But he certainly wasn't religious. He simply feared what society would become without a solid religious foundation and as far as I can tell his predictions were pretty accurate. Dostoevsky was highly influenced by Nietzsche, although I think he didn't believe that people could overcome religion as much as Nietzsche and he certainly tried to argue Christianity at least to some extent back into being. But to call him religious would in my estimate be way off.

>>129627701
>>>hierarchy
>>tradition
>>natural law
>>noble good vs. 'compassionate' good
This is "right wing" now? You realize that this was completely mainstream centrism 20 years ago, right? Or were you 10 then so you can't remember?

>>129627017
Lel

Does anyone have the brainmeme on reverse shill tactics?

>>129616402
When political elite is morally and ideologically bankrupt even a washed out professor can be a messiah.

>>129616402
it has come to larping as a jew and making anti-peterson threads
his message is good enough without you shilling it so hard to the aryan brotherhood

>>129628573

The fact that we've jumped so far off the rails and forgotten what normal definitions are doesn't stop those things being generally categorized under 'right wing' in philosophy terms, as opposed to things like egalitarianism and materialism on the left. I'm not saying 'dude he implied being an idiot is bad, he's my alt right hero of the week lol'. Like I said, find one other person in mainstream media land who could so easily sit with Evola sometimes, even if he doesn't know he's doing it

>>129619268
his advice is intended to address this in a pragmatic way. you or me probably aren't going to be the hero that saves the west and likely no one is. in his view, people telling the truth, inch by inch, will move society forward.

he recognizes the difficulty of telling the truth and the limitations of one person so he prescribes practical steps to make things better. his whole "rescue your dead father" thing basically means to see what is good and noble in society and preserve it well discarding or killing what is dead and tyrannical. you or i probably can't take on some grandiose mission to over turn post-modern influence in universities but there is likely something in our own lives that we can competently do something about to make things better, "clean your room",

i think he gets this idea of "cleaning your room" from the gulag archipelago, Solzhenitsyn talks about the mass arrests and laments that not everyone cried out and fought back against them. speculating that if they had fought the tyranny would have been impossible, although no one of the protests would have stopped it together they would have.

so i do think he addresses what you are talking about but he comes at it, as he often does, from the angle of what can be practically done rather a revolutionary mindset.

>>129619528
>it's a bullshit lie

no it isn't

work ethic
family
religion

is the road to successful social cohesion, a prosperous society and a repellent to ideological subversion

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>>129617047
>>129618213
Could you even be more of a fucking merchant meme, Schlomo...

>>129619897
Well our society's social order is centered around whining now.

>>129629024
men can raise up and lead society but woman need to follow them.
woman are drawn to short term incentives and don't mind what he has to say as long it benefits them now. they don't have the mental capacity to even understand what jordan is talking about, let alone take interest in his videos.
and this is the problem. woman won't follow some pseudo science from youtube unless its already everywhere. men are wise enough to take charge and lead, but woman won't follow

This is ridiculous. Peterson is brilliant... I'm convinced this is some sort of shilling tactic to discredit a man who is doing amazing work.. and his meteoric rise to popularity among the young men who have not yet been indoctrinated is proof of that. His analysis of the postmodernist/marxist infestation of academia and the West in general is spot on.

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>>129629595

pro tip: count how many times a day you want to tell someone who's whining 'well fucking deal with it instead of telling me then' but you know they'd think you were a huge asshole so you stay quiet

>then apply it to yourself

>>129626512
>Isn't marriage worth it, if divorce is avoided?

buddy, /pol/ actually believes that a normal man has a 50% chance of his marriage ending in divorce

>>129616402
How much are they paying you?

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>>129617047
Are you trying to deconstruct western values again Moshe? My sides

>>129620633
>you don't realise what you're doing
That's what Christ said on the cross.

>>129616402
Because they listen to him for reasons other than to deliberately misinterpret and misrepresent him on /pol/, shill.

>>129622024
You worship man.

>>129629012
>Like I said, find one other person in mainstream media land who could so easily sit with Evola sometimes, even if he doesn't know he's doing it
He would call Evola an antisemite and publicly denounce him.

>>129630065
Honestly, I imagine a lot of it is people who feel better by attacking things that are liked by others.

>>129631866

m8 why are you even in this thread arguing if you've never read/listened to him? He loves Solzhenitsyn like his waifu, of course he knows about the fucking JQ. Someone asked him about it and he just went 'ehhh well there are translation issues next question'. Do you expect him to publically yell 'fuck yeah fire up the ovens' when it's tantamount to worshipping satan in most people's eyes?

>>129632877
I see, so you're calling him a liar, a coward, or both. What a great role model.

>>129622435
This is not satisfactory to me, the ends-justify-means, morally relativistic approach. It throws out dignity.

Mark 8:36 comes to mind: For what shall it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul?

Chomsky said: “The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum....”

Dr. Peterson, whether intentionally or not, has become somewhat of a gatekeeper on the limits of debate. I would like to see him move the Overton window a bit, because there is very lively debate outside of it right now, and if it goes unaddressed, history will repeat itself. Maybe that's what some people want to see, not me. If he wants to stay relevant, sooner or later he's going to have to address group evolutionary strategy. I would like to see a greater awareness of its role in recent history, how the pushback in Germany, with its own heightened racial awareness, was a case of "we can play that game too".

I'd like to see the weakening of the grip that identity politics has on all of us, the nullification of the existential suffering it causes at everyone's expense just to keep a few people, employing it with hypocritical duplicity, atop the heap.

There's immense cognitive dissonance in his instrumental use of the horrors of the last century and his reluctance to address the factors that caused the resentment. It's not enough to just say: "look inside yourself and understand that you, too, are capable of becoming a monster". It sidesteps the conditions. People were pushed too far. Of course animals strike when cornered. He needs to address that.
It's not enough to say "toughen up bucko and double down under your yoke" while the social engineers are laughing as they pull their strings to emasculate you and defile your identity and history, all while skimming their pound of flesh from you as insult to injury.

>>129633216
low IQ southern Slav strikes again.

>>129633216

>dude if it was me I'd totally go apeshit and drop all the redpills lmaooooo

You haven't even started a youtube channel, you can sit around shitposting about how any kind of strategy or tact is 'cowardice maaaaan' but you don't have to back it up

>>129616402
>flag
kek X 6000000

>>129619892

Why do you think I even WANT to achieve anything in my life?!

Lol kys, seems like you're already apathetic enough that you probably don't really contribute shit to the world or even your community anyway. You're dead weight.

>>129618794
How would you fix promiscuity?

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>>129616690
Do the opposite of kys.
Whatever that may be.
Toppest lel

>>129619691
Tip harder faggot

>>129616402

Strange how every figure on the alt-right seems to attacked by people with similar writing styles.

Hope you're being paid well!

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>>129616402
Wow you kike bastards really ARE Scared of him aren't you? That's Adorable. You're so pathetic when you're terrified.