/pol/ tell me why fascism is best ideology

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>>129616088
The Roman law, cains to whip you and the axe to kill you, a symbol of complete control over your life.

>>129616344
What about free speech?

>>129616088
NO NIGGERS ALOUD

>>129616088
Because it keep you strong like a bundle of stick wrapped together

>>129616088
Ill take anything as long as it kills jews.

>>129616088
But be warned Fascism ideology is now way too corrupted by ((them)) to be achievable .. Hitler was used like a tool just like Napoleon ..and now the USSA and China

>>129616088
Self improvement.

>>129616344
That sounds pretty shitty tbqh

>>129616088
It is the best ideology if you have a good leader like Franco. If you are stuck with Mussolini until he dies then you are fucked and your country will probably be invaded and destroyed before that happens.

Like every system it has it's plus and it's minuses, and with a good leader it works really well.

>>129616783
So should i just be Alt-right?

>>129616088
Because, individually we are only sticks, but when we come together we form the mighty faggot!

>>129616088
Its not

BUT it is the only realistic way to reverse this tide of liberalism and degeneracy.

>>129616088
It's not

>t. National Socialist

>>129616088
it isn't. because.

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>>129616088
United, we are stronger.

>>129616088
They dressed really nice.

>>129616974
Why do we have to say you what your opinion on politics is ?

Btw Please dont claim to be both, there are also a lot of non-fascists in the Alt-Right

>>129617163
Same. State should be a vehicle to achieve cultural and racial purity, not an end. Mussolini called race a "Feeling". What a huge fucking faggot

>>129617225
Only the germans, it should be mandatory that hugo boss is the designer of military clothing...

>>129616088
It combines Conservative values with socialist social programs. A state that takes care of its citizens. It's a new social contract between the citizen and the state. Citizen serves the state and the state ensures citizen prosperity.

>>129616595
Italian fascist manifesto clearly states there is no differences between races and how they are treated. What you are thinking is National Socialism.

>>129617378
The state should also regularly be semi-purged as a system to check against (((subversion))). Agreed, no system is perfect so we should all agree to update the government every so often. Not updating/purging leads to the nightmare-madame-president-timeline.

Also next time around us nazis need to be very public about love. It should be impossible to deny we are fundamentally loving people in the age of the smartphone and NSA recording everything. We can't let history continue to be (((taught))). I'm a national socialist because I want to help people, not hurt poeople

>>129616088
People will people so do it right.
Support for strong traditional family and values:
A strong family is prerequisite to a strong community. A strong community is prerequisite to a strong and healthy state. A healthy state's goal is to promote strong families. A strong family is prerequisite to a strong community. A strong community is prerequisite to a strong and healthy state. A healthy state's goal is to promote strong families. A strong family is prerequisite to a strong community. A strong community is prerequisite to a strong and healthy state. A healthy state's goal is to promote strong families. A strong family is prerequisite to a strong community. A strong community is prerequisite to a strong and healthy state. A healthy state's goal is to promote strong families. A strong family is prerequisite to a strong community. A strong community is prerequisite to a strong and healthy state. A healthy state's goal is to promote strong families....

>>129617277
I have 5 friends, and i talk about politics, race, nationality, religion and science with them.

>>129617081
What a fresh and unique post, very insightful!

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>>129616088
>/pol/ tell me why fascism is best ideology

It's not, it's ridiculous and weak and wants to deprive you of your freedom and rights.

>>129617579
>Socialism is taking care of your citizen

Im tired of your big sugar daddy you socialist seem to need so desperate

>>129616088
Mussolini did nothing wrong

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>>129616088
Because the US is fascist and I'm a patriot

>>129617793
I would love to dicuss politics with some serbs they´re one of the last nations that is collectively thinking sane (at least i hope so)

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>>129616718

>>129617210
Individualism put a man to the moon, Collectivism struggles with modern economy and is stagnant to the point it needs third world immigrants to pay for itself...

Fuck my life...

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>>129616088

Because it engineers a strong moral spiral into our own development.
>>129617760

>>129617891
>it's ridiculous and weak and wants to deprive you of your freedom and rights.

Rights that aren't earned are merely unfair privileges. You have the freedom to choose to serve and earn the rewards of service or remain free outside the state and society.

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>>129617970
I like to think that the young, the old, the disabled and the poor are taken care of by society.

I served and would serve again in the military for a state that takes care of its citizens. I'd even go to war for such a state.

>>129618232
Good meme, may you find refuge on the day of the rake, or better yet, hold the rake.

>>129616088
Its cancerous like any other form of socialism.
Fascism only functioned because their form of socialism wasnt implemented for long enough to crash.

Any form of socialism will bring the economy to its knees.

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>>129616839
COME TO MEMEBALL THREAD YOU STIPID COWS!

>>129617491
Hugo didn't design it you literal monkey. Army designed it, Hugo only manufactured. This myth needs to die. Nazis were design masters not some stupid Hugo boss company.

>>129618722
Caring for them as long as the sconomic bubble not implodes and state debt is not to high.

Children have Parents that care and the Elderly have kids and most likely worked themselves so they can spare some money.

>>129618722
My boi

>>129618965
shill nigger

>>129617891
Freedom to be a degenerate has destroyed the west.

Freedom as an end unto itself is pointless. How many people do you know that do anything worthwhile with their freedom? How many people in your school projects produced good content without someone lighting a fire under their ads?

People need a fire. People need direction. Not quite as all-encompasssing as total control like communism, but not the desolate and directionless freedom of democracy that crippled so many with choice paralysis and leaves a vacuum for rootless exploiters with no stake in the future on you and your people.

Fascism gives you a direction, a purpose, and you can find the best way to that destination and earn glory for yourself and nation. It's a balanced approach. You're not a lone and purposeless person with no belonging beyond materialism like capitalist democracy, and you're not a faceless collective blob like communism. You're an individual within a collective.

>>129619162
What the fuck are you even talking about? I would like to help people that have less than me but are of my own race. That's NatSoc. And have a strong empathetic leader that works in my interest and doesn't just argue in big room nonstop without solving shit.

>>129619395
>Set up a state with a leader that has rights to do everything
>Please dont go to far all mighty dictator
>Dictator doesnt give a fuck and whooops its communism
>will function 199%

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>>129619395
Well put and true.

>>129619538
Why do you need the state ?
Arent you able to work ?
Arent your Parents able to work when you´re young ?
Arent you able to collect money for yourself when you´re elderly ?
Arent your kids able to giv eyou moneey when you´re elderly ?
Why do you need other peoples money when you want to prosper ?

Socialism is not the white mans interest.

Just because you dont hand your money to niggers but to other people, Socialism wont function automatically.
The problem of Socialism is the relation of state to property and it wont function just because its your new and completely different form of socialism that is totally unique and will function 100%.

If you really want the best for the whites you´d be embracing capitalism

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>>129618139
>Individualism put a man to the moon

Who was that individual? Must have been one helluva guy.

>>129619790
Even communism works just fine if you are a normal person who doesn't aspire to own ten sports cars three estates and two private jets.

Most people are content to just having a family your able house, clothe and feed, enough time to spend with them and so forth. That's something socialism and fascism can provide to almost every citizen.

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>>129619790
>have democracy
>politicians are elected to care for the state temporarily
>only gonna be in power 4-8 years
>better loot whatever i can from the state now, if i dont, someone else will

>have monarchy
>monarch serves for life to take care of the state until death
>going to transfer power to heirs
>better leave my children with as good a start as possible

Really activates the almonds.

>>129616088
You know what else a bundle of sticks is referred to? A faggot.

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its the accumulated and combined knowledge from the peak of western christian civilization.

>>129619395
The problem is that the people who preach it now are no longer balanced. I believe that fascism is a philosophically complex system which we no longer have the education or honour to fulfil? Every single 'fascist' organization I see is full of people who are obsessed with one certain dogmatic point of view, and many outright to refuse to learn even to become good at stating their case within terms other people understand. Instead they rely upon their esoteric literature to draw in people who obsessively consume redpills, and take no real actual measures to convey a message outside of their 'game'.

You look back at the people they idealise. They understand classical literature, poetry, and speak other languages. They are polite, but certain. The man they venerate is a person who they cannot know. I see none of that now; only arrogance and rage. It is not enough to create a society on that--and it probably isn't even enough to destroy one either.

The people isn't fascism as a whole; it's the people who practise it now.

>>129616718
this, thats the only ideology that matters.

>>129620977
>except when 20 Million of them die in famine
>completely ignoring China
>generic higher middle class socialist

I think it would have been good for your political stance if you´d live in the eastern countries under (*some generic socialist ideology*) for some years.

For me it looks like people are constantly fleeing from socialism and i wonder why that could be ?
Even the poor live far better under capitalism than under socialism and they are one thing that one of your super social ideologies can provide:

FREEDOM You can say whatever you want and its not the almighty Führer who decides if you´re right or not.
You can decide what do you want to do in your live , what do you want to buy for your kids , for yourself etc.

What are that you can know how someone other needs ?
I dont have words for this grade of ignoracy that is normal around socialists....

>>129620522
Hell fucking no. Capitalism promotes globalism because the bigger the market the better. You don't even know what socialism is you fagit. Socialism =/= Communism. There are Socialist democracies today that are much better than free market capitalism of US. We just need to add strong leader and ethnic laws.

>>129622209
Like there hasn't been starvation in capitalist societies as well.

Freedom on its own means nothing. Can you eat it? Does freedom keep you warm during the winter? Does freedom take care of you when your old? NO!

Freedom on its own is useless and pointless.

>>129621355
A bundle of sticks is a faggot. And they used to burn homosexuals at the stake during the middle ages. So, when you call a homosexual a "faggot" you are referencing a way of getting rid of them in the old days. It's like calling a nigger a "lynch".

>>129620522

Socialism as such isn't necessary, but the coercive power that the state brings to the table probably is.

Capitalism within the liberal paradigm is suicide for whites.

>>129618139

Individualism is responsible for below-replacement fertility in the West though - feminism's ideal is the individual woman free to make any and all choices for herself, radically free from "socially-constructed" roles and baggage.

The mass-importation of third worlders is done to continue population growth, and consequently economic growth in spite of this. Unending economic growth as political imperative is itself arguably a product of a democratic governments pandering to the "letzte Mensch"-individualists of their electorates, and the pursuit of comfort and fear of pain that are their only values.

>>129619790
You're right. The one issue is checking totalitarian leaders. A framework of Chinese style bureaucracy combined with ethnocentric guiding principles seems like a good start

>>129622713
Liberty requires duty.

>>129621886
This. I would go so far as to say that modern fascist/national socialist organisations are just a containment zone for disgruntled citizens. Keep them in fringe movements where they can complain about society but never achieve anything. And of course, devolve into neo-nazism and other degenerate nonsense.

National socialism without Hitler is just a red herring: we dont have Hitler.

Honestly, its just not feasible to follow a 70 year old doctrine designed specifically for the 30'ies to fight communism. We need to envisage something new, something that fits in the modern world of today.

That is why i like the concept of Archeofuturism, proposed by Guillaume Faye. To unify the modern techonological society with the ancient traditional principles of life.

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>>129621332
This

>>129621332
In fact im a constitutional monarchist

Monarchies dont implement your loved socialist policies, its only possible to get someone like that to power, when the person has no interest in the future of the state but only wants to fish for votes to get the dictator.

This kind (socialist) governments are only possible when there´s democracy, where monarchies often only had the state having holdings on the economy of about 10-15% in contrast to democracies where the percentage takes up to 60% (France)

>>129616344
that's for communists and subverters. the rest usually get to have every single people of their nation as their Kamarad and actual Liberty to live a worthy and fulfilling life, spiritually, mentally and physically.

>>129617163
>>129617378
Fascism and National Socialism are the same thing. Mussolini didn't invent fascism, he merely brought his (somewhat misguided) vision of Italian Fascism into the world. He said himself that he "extracted Fascism from the Italian people". You should read up on the fascist worldview, you'll find some good shit.

>>129622713
I never talked about social liberalism this discussion is about Market forms.

>>129622611
>Equality means a lot when you starve together with 20 million other that are at least equal.

No its not. Freedom means you can do whatever you want, you´re free too get rich.

>trying to act like i only said thing

>>129623746
>one thing

>>129618139
le gollectivism also gave us the technology to get to the Moon beforehand.

>>129622893
The cycle of civilizations will continue. But technology pushes ever onwards. In many ways the hardest redpill for NatSocs, and in general anyone here, to swallow is that our time is at an end. Not in a genetic sense, if we work to preserve ourselves in that way, but as the primary civilization of the world. We should be happy with this. How much trouble in Nepal do they have with the Jews? How much trouble there is it for their natives to want their land for themselves? Not much, I imagine. We need time to recuperate, and so we should welcome the destruction of ourselves taking the centre stage. I do not believe we have enough good people. They are all dead. Died mostly in WW1, the war which we waged against ourselves (and I notice how it is often conveniently ignored, even though WW2 was essential WW1 2.0).

We do new something new,, and we do need to reinvigorate our traditions. But I do not think we have the strength for it, and I certainty don't think these sorts of people have the strength for it. They poke fun at 'cuckservatives tho die for kikes', but those men are tougher than they are; more bloodthirsty too. They should focus on sifting the culture, not on LARPing a grand crusade which they themselves cannot hope to understand the complexity of.

>>129617891
Tell me which rights and I will tell you whether it does or not because it sounds to me like you've no idea what you're talking about.

>>129623998
The right to bear arms.

>>129623418

The two are linked inextricably. An individual white person might stand to profit from outsourcing jobs, importing labour or getting most women out of the home and into the workforce, and if Capitalism were their highest guiding logic, they would do (and have done) these things regardless of the harm done to their people's long-term interests. Free enterprise itself isn't necessarily bad, but it's a fundamentally atomising and subversive force when not subordinated to some kind of higher value (e.g. religion, ethnocentrism, monarchical loyalty, moral systems, etc).

>>129621332
Monarchy achieves a balance of power between the land, government, and traditions which is not possible in any other way. The monarch is rooted to the land, and relies upon it for wealth and power. Where do dictators and politicians get theirs? From liquid, flexible investments with no root to a people.

>>129621332
This. Unironically, Absolute Traditionalist Monarchism is the best system

>>129624120
>Free enterprise itself isn't necessarily bad, but it's a fundamentally atomising and subversive force when not subordinated to some kind of higher value (e.g. religion, ethnocentrism, monarchical loyalty, moral systems, etc).
It is. Do you think the ultra rich and technocrats running the world have no ideology?

>>129624096
Excuse the r*ddit link but it is a fairly good analysis.
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/3o4f89/what_was_the_state_of_gun_ownership_in_prefascist/

>>129616088
>faggots with axes
>good ideology

>>129616088
>fascism is the best
>symbol is literally a faggot axe

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>>129623107
>Monarchies dont implement your loved socialist policies

Have you not read history? Most successful monarchies and dynasties have implemented socialist policies in times need. The earliest monarchies of Mesopotamia were responsible for storing grains so that they can be distributed if crops fail to ward of starvation. Rome distributed massive amounts of bread on daily basis to keep its citizens fed! Those are the basis of social policies.

I'm not advocating socialism in their soviet or chinese forms I'm only saying a bit of socialism is healthy for the society since it keeps its citizens alive when otherwise they'd be fighting eachother for a sack of rice..

>>129622768
This. Many people who scream freedoms from the top of their lungs have never contributed anything willingly to the society. I myself come from a long line of soldiers and bureaucrats, I've served the state in its military and I've worked for both the public and the private sectors. Yet never in my life have I've felt such fulfillment and joy than when I volunteered for a soup kitchen for the poor.

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fascism is the ultimate combination of tradition and progress.

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Fascism and National Socialism isn't the same

Natsoc is better

>>129624267
What happens when one of those monarchs decides to be total ass-hat liberal and court a person not of the tribe?
>Meghan Markle
The same aristocracy that allowed for the Jews and international finance to become so powerful wouldn't be any different if we just brought it back, either. You'd need to change the culture to being pre-French traditionalist in order for it to work even remotely.

>>129624705
National Socialism is Fascism for Germany. It can't be applied outside of Germany, even Hitler thought it was uniquely German.

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monarchies of the last few centuries have devolved into lackeys of international finance

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Economically superior

>>129616783
>hitler was controlled opposition
t. Leaf

>>129624300

To be honest, I think whatever ideology they have isn't so much transcendent truth to them as it is a symbiote or fig-leaf for their self-interest - geopolitical, commercial or otherwise. I don't think any of them would be martyrs for what they believe.

Also, the technocrats and plutocrats aren't the only ones to be examined here. You don't need to look far to see the dominance of the material way of life here in Australia.

>>129624913
This, and under an aristocratic neo-reactionary system, the only way it could be removed is through bloodshed or hoping for reform. Fascism is always looking forward with the nation in mind, it's designed to.

>>129624120
You know that Mass immigration is a violation of the NAP ?
I we would embracing capitalism we wouldnt have a problem with imigration or degeneration.

It would be social darwinism at its best.
You´re right with your other point though thats why im not an ancap but an monarchist.

Just look at the german kaiserreich.
Laissez Faire economy with social conservative politicians.

I know what you mean (Im pretty sure its one of the first sites of Capitalism and Freedom where Rothbard describes the connection of economic Liberalism and social) but you dont have to be Authoritan to be Conservative (like the german Kaisserreich had shown)

>>129616088
Because it represents strength power and discipline. If everyone called themselves a fascist and lived the fascist lifestyle than they would become successful

>>129623927
>I do not believe we have enough good people

Indeed. I think our work will come down to keeping the fire lit. To guide future generations to finish what we have started.

I am confident that the euroean peoples will prevail in the end. But will it happen in our lifetime..? Probably not.

But there is the possiblity that the catastrophies we face will accelerate faster than predicted and spiral out of control. If enough chaos is generated, the opportunity to tear down the current order might just present itself.

>>129616594
Mussolini tolerated moderate satire against him, he was not a crazy lunatic, actually he was very tolerant
He pardoned the Irish woman who shoot him in the face once.

>>129625093
>Just look at the german kaiserreich.
>Laissez Faire economy with social conservative politicians.

In 1914 biggest party by far was the socialist party. Even before that labor unions had forced Bismarks hand to give the German people social benefits and healtcare system that made the rest of the world jealous.

German system was a healthy mix of socialism and capitalism that was the envy of the world. And then people like you take a piss on its achievements and memories.

>>129616088
Because it's "made in Italy".
Trust the original, not the copies.

>>129624607
No they where fighting eachother because of socialism

Im ok with a bit (like i said most monarchies only took 15% at a maximum of their economy)

Yes thats right and they where able to do this because they dindt provided money for every elderly person or every mother just because they are a human but they did some socialist actions out of context (like a famine)
This is not Socialism like in the 3. Reich, its far from it

>>129624705
National socialism is fascism,the main difference is that in normal fascism the basis of ideology is "the people for the state",thus to build a strong country and further its reach and independence.
In national socialism its "the state for the people",the country and the whole system seeks to improve and further the expansion of its people and their race.
In one the state is all and in the other the "volk" is all.In the modern context when we are getting inavede with nonwhites that ruin our countries the second one would be more effective.

>>129624705
Hitler had a better people, but the idea and the sentiments, and the characters on the basis of the Italian Fascism were by far the best.
to give you an idea Mussolini was the most mediocre of the great personality that created the basis of what will later become fascism.... D'annunzio, Marinetti, Keller were all giants compared to Benito...now if we go in Germany what great intellectuals do we have beside Hitler?

>>129624438
I wasnt wrong... It highly restricts it

>>129626881
Controls it, yes. It doesn't ban them.

>>129624801
If they were raised by and adhered to traditionalist principles, then we wouldn't have a problem of them being liberal

>>129625093

By my understanding, in Germany from unification to the First World War, industry was in some sense an arm of the imperial state and aligned with its interests - I'm not sure this could be achieved without state intervention in the economy at present, now that globalisation and neoliberalism are "out of the bag", so to speak.

Maybe I haven't read enough ancap literature, but it seems to me that in order to raise up a political order which enshrines and gives force to the NAP, you're already necessarily wielding the military and paramilitary power of the state. Furthermore, (by my understanding) the NAP isn't an organic component of the logic of capitalism, it's more of a patch for the issues that might arise when you remove coercion - the point being, when you "embrace capitalism", you may or may not get the NAP.

Also, the whole thing seems to not do terribly well with social justice (not in the intersectional leftist sense, think more Catholic social teaching or Jose Antonio Primo de Rivera).

>>129616974
Fascism is OK, my Serbian brother.

>>129618106
More or less but we run into problems when we try to implement our non-insane ideas. Or rather, when we don't try to implement them. People here are politically inert and pessimistic/defeatist as fuck.

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FASCISM AND NATIONAL SOCIALISM ARE THE SAME FUCKING WORLDVIEW

TO answer OP, it's the best because it is not a simple ideology, but a worldview dedicated to the truth. Some examples of truth within the Natural Order being stuff like inequality in terms of race, gender, nations, individuals, etc. Hierarchy, tradition, and STRENGTH

>>129628398
And how are you planning on conveying this message to others?

>>129628367
Oh boy I would be, too, going there to visit my grandparents already gets me depressed. It's why I only visit them once a year anymore, your country sucks balls.

>>129628367
May I suggest something? Work at restructuring your economic system to destroy the central bank there. I'm sure your people are sympathetic. You might just be small enough to ignore.

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>>129616088

It isn't

>>129628749
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>>129616594

It wouldn't exist

>>129616861

It would be

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>>129618292

Unfair privileges? Serve the larger society? You sound like a dirty communist

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>>129626568
Benito Mussolini still was Italy's greatest stateman
He never pretended to be an Intellectual or philosopher, just a Duce
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