>slavs are subhum-

>>129582073
I know right

slav appreciation thread

>>129582073
Slavs are slaves and useful idiots.

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married quotes

>>129582073
Slavs are literally the most white ethnicity left and if current trend of accepting shitskins continues, they Soon will be last

Prove me wrong

Protip: you can't

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not your wife

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>>129582073

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>slavs are subhum-

Just finished Crime and Punishment yesterday and immediately started The Brothers Karamazov. Have also read Notes From the Underground and it is one of my favorites. The dude is incredibly clever and gets the psychology of his characters so consistently spot on.

>>129582073

Slavs are the master race.

>>129584591

When and how do you get to a point in your life that you look up wallpapers of pornstars ? Like.. what happened ? Who hurt you ? Are you a functionning member of society ?

>>129584599
are you 15? Seriously kids read that shit in the 9th grade

>>129582073
Lets have a discussion on favourite writers that are slavs.

So, Nabokov, Solzenyitsin, Dostoyevsky?

My favourite is Nikolai Gogolj

>>129584838
In America they're too busy reading things by transwomen of color
Sadly I'm not kidding.

>>129582073
he was a subhuman though and he disliked Poles

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>>129584818
>not having a slideshow of your top 100 cum dumpsters
what are you even doing with your life famalam

>>129584599
>Notes From the Underground

One of the most fucked up things i have ever read. I also felt like shit after reading it.

>>129584908
+Lermontov, Gogol

>>129584948
>disliked Poles
Who really likes Poles though?

>>129584980
Gotta read Crime and Punishment, the sequel

>>129584948
>and he disliked Poles
Proofs?

>>129584948
He also disliked germans as well, you can clearly see it in some of his novels. He was also an epilectic apparently.

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>>129585043
not Hitler atleast

>>129582073
Ironically enough Dostojewski would be the one to consider you westerners subhuman.

>>129585043
The Germans

>>129584948
Stop acting like a faggot.

>>129584818
>When and how do you get to a point in your life that you look up wallpapers of pornstars ?
Is Google foreign to you?

>Are you a functionning member of society ?
no, i haven't even had a conversation with someone IRL since April

>>129584838
>hurr durr youngfag
I'm 30, in high school I read mostly dog shit and Shakespeare. Only decent books were 1984, Brave New World, and The Odyssey. I'm glad though, I was too busy ditching class to smoke weed and chasing pussy, probably would've cliff notes'd the book just to pass the tests and not gotten anything out of it. Instead now I read carefully and write down my thoughts, it isn't like his books are on an adolescent level.

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>>129584122
According to this you are considerably mongolian. It looks like Ireland is ironically the whitest european ethnicity.

>>129585106
Poles, Jewsm Ukraineans, and Liberlas. Google it ffs Arkadii, you dont even know about ur birghtes minds!

>>129584838
Reading something in high school doesn't make it less important or good. And most people don't appreciate things they read in high school or don't understand it at all.

>>129585093
Personally my favourite book is The house of the dead, basically about his life in prison.

One of the most interesting thing about him is his personal fate, he had a mock trial and nearly got executed and then exiled to Siberia. One interesting thing is that he actually influenced nietchze who also read him and found him a genius yet the two of them were complete opposites, with dostoyevsky a christian and nietchze a believer in the overman yet even nietchze was "prophetic" in his art ( thus sprach zaratustra, will to power).

Also, Nabokov disliked Dostoyevsky apparently because he was too religious.

>>129585130
Yeah, and it kind of shows in his novels when his characters are going through something really intense.

It's a bit of a shame that people tend to focus on Crime and Punishment and Brothers Karamazov, I like Demons and The Idiot more. Not even trying to be contrarian, Crime and Punishment was great, but probably not his best work - and Brothers Karamazov is simply unfinished.

>>129584948
>poles

no such thing, you are just catholic Russians that speak translit

>>129585254
>>129585401
no wonder the anglo countries are collapsing kek, how does it feel to be a minority?

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>>129584591
I wasn't planning a fap today

>>129582073
Joseph Conrad (Józef Korzeniowski) is much better than Dostoyevsky. Dostoyevsky was a typical manipulator who put too much pressure on analyzing one's psyche. Conrad on the other hand valued actions and one's honour

>>129585106
easy to google

>>129585484
I loved The Idiot. I made my 6th grade English class read it. They liked it too, but the message was lost on most of them.

>>129582073
-ans.

>>129585516
A minority in what? We aren't a minority in anything.
That's not an argument by the way.
And we don't read Dostoevsky in high school.
I was making an argument as to why your comment is retarded, and you've further shown yourself to be an idiot.

>>129585658
Funny coming from inbred 80 iq turk

>>129585206
The poles Dostoyevsky met in Siberia said he had polish features, meaning more "advanced".
D was sent to firing squad (for attending revolutionary group) then reprieved the last moment.
Slavs make saints out of these types who are basically shit on in the west.

>>129585601
>Dostoyevsky was a typical manipulator who put too much pressure on analyzing one's psyche.
>typical
What he did was pretty unique, that's why he's lumped in with the existentialists.

>>129585516
He's right. No way you can really understand or care about the books at that age. My parents read Dostoevsky and had to memorize Pushkin as kids in the Soviet Union. Everyone hated it, and got nothing out of it because they're still just kids. The American version is making people read The Great Gatsby, another book impossible to appreciate until mid 20's at least.

>>129584838
A 15 year old cannot correctly grasp the message or complexity of something like crime in punishment or the house of the dead.

Trying to look smarter than other people on the internet often makes you look like a retard.

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fuck white beta cucks race

slavs are asians

we destroy your pathetic race together with our brothers blacks, arabs, poos in loos, asians, jews etc

>>129582073
slavs have the brightest programmers, composers, novelists, chess players, conductors, and businessmen

>>129585711
Funny coming from a 50 iq amerinigger

>>129582073
>tfw these treads make me realize all of europe has the same school curriculum

i bet your [insert local language] teacher made you read this and absurdist books

>>129585484
I find the idiot to be quite revolutionary, and also completely absurd, yet he managed to pull it off. The idea itself is quite hard to process, that perfect goodness ends up in retardation, and the novel really is interesting if you look at today's political climate and try to guess who would be this era's "idiot".

I unironically like the silent jabs that all those great writers had against other groups because it proves they are human and that we can emulate them and still be good people, and it shows that it is never as evil as it appears. Like a polish writer would not hate russians, or a hungarian, but you have to explain it. I think that is why eastern literature was pretty good, life was shit but there was no simple explanation in the political world.

He was also incredibly naive as a person, believing in some slavic union led by an orthodox czar or something.

Any good polish writers in the similar vein?

>>129582073
>tfw the most powerful man on earth is a slav
>most modern geniuses are slavs
>most of the best fighters are slavs
How to people even try to talk down to slavs?

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>>129585853
>chess players

Is that dostoyevsky?

>>129585913
Never heard of anyone reading Dostoevsky in school as part of the curriculum. We only have English authors.

>>129586047
that's an exception, Norway and the entire Scandinavia almost produce nothing of value to the world

>>129585601
Conrad was mostly a craftsman, and a damn good one at that; the only great book he wrote was Heart of Darkness. There's no point reading anything else, unless you really like his style.

Most of Dostoyevsky's works are timeless classics that offer deep insight into the human condition. You're just salty he apparently didn't like Poles (uh-oh, who would've thought, we were fighting with Russia a lot at the time), which is essentially irrelevant when it comes to his novels, because he didn't write about us.

>>129585853
Not really, one really kicked it off was the 18th and 19th centuries, before that it was a giant cultural wasteland.

It is interesting however that somehow slavs are the prototypical bad guy even though it is a group that historically had a somewhat shit life.

Also, have you heard rimsky korsakov's antar?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGzBWPLxF0w

It is about an arabic poet apparently, i just love it, so great.

>>129585779
>A 15 year old cannot correctly grasp the message or complexity of something like crime in punishment or the house of the dead.
Why? It was mandatory reading when I was that age.

>>129586327
I like countless Russian works, when it comes to Korsakov, do you know his piano trio?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4VAtdE1spCE

>>129586368
Americans develop slowly, too much garbage on TV thanks to (((them)))

>>129586263
Analyzing psyche can become a form of manipulation. I guess such novels are good for melancholic, overly individualistic, intellectual LARPers like you. I bet you carry a linen bag too

>>129585982
Our literature at the time was mostly about retaining our national spirit and fighting for independence. Lots of mysticism, lots of stuff about our political situation and mistakes, lots of really romantic attitude, but in the end, (and that other Polish dude is probably going to tear me a new one for this) nothing really worthwhile - unless you're really interested in Polish culture.

Nevertheless, our 20th century writers were bretty good, so you might want to check them out instead. I'd say that Snerg was pretty much on par with Philip K. Dick, even though he isn't really well known, even inside Poland. Which is understandable, since he died when he was fairly young, just when he was getting popular.

Also, Conversations with an Executioner is definitely a must read regardless of your nationality and taste.

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>>129582073
>>slavs are subhum-
anglos are literally mad

>>129586593
>I guess such novels are good for melancholic, overly individualistic, intellectual LARPers like you. I
I'm not any of those things, but I appreciate Dostoevsky. Do you think people read literature to see themselves?

>>129586490
yeah its great, a lot of slavic composers drew their inspiration from folk songs and common peasant life back then while others focused on literary works and what not. Great music.

>>129586723
Conversations with an Executioner is great. Here, poles are really famous for great sci-fi novels, like, one of the best.

Our literature also has a lot of themes that are not quite as "universal", and like you said, a lot of it is filler.

>>129585149
He liked Pilsudski tho.

>>129586593
Nah, I'm actually one of the few Poles who frequent the shooting range instead of being content with just yapping about nationalism and duty, so fuck off.

Also, using "intellectual" as an insult makes you look like an idiot.

>>129586723
Zygmunt Krasiński writing about revolution, Bolesław Prus, Juliusz Słowacki - not worthwhile. I guess it's just that you don't understand what their message was because you lack knowledge in history and philosophy. Just like I thought, you associate intellectuals with those who overanalyze the psyche of people and you try to LARP

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By the way, Bulgakov was amazing, and I'm not even talking about The Master and Margarita.

/slavposting/
/thread

>>129587210
Yes, I don't think that writing about revolution is all that important. Especially when it's coated in shitty mysticism and romanticizes combat. When I want to read about fighting, I read Wańkowicz, because that shit is real.

And no, I don't like the literature of romanticism produced by other countries either. If you read more than just Polish stuff, you'd realize that Słowacki's and Mickiewicz's works are mostly grimdark counterparts to Wordsworth. It's pretentious nonsense.

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Please, tell me that I'm not white

>>129587701
that quadruple chin though
absolutely disgusting

>>129586867
Dostoyevsky was a typical Russian with all his flaws. Focused too much on the inside while ignoring the outside. He was like lutheran Germans. And as I wrote - psychological novels are good if you balance them with novels that describe politics or human action. But people are stupid these days and they strive for prestige, and some associate prestige with intellectuals. And to them intellectualism is all about introspection. They're not interested in politics, history, community and action. And so people are excited about Dostoyevsky because they think that praising him as a psychological writer makes them intellectuals. Those are just hipster narcissists, "sophisticated" and melancholic

>>129584948
>disliked Poles
Good lad.

>>129586368
To be fair, you' have to have a fair background in philosophy to fully grasp something like Notes from the Underground, or (non-mainstream) history to understand some of his characters from Crime and Punishment. There is one character (can't remember his name) that is essentially proto-leftist/communist, it tells you a lot about that time if you can connect the dots.

>>129587669
I read Taras Bulba recently and was wondering... what was actually the polish nobility system like? Gogol goes from the perspective of poles being a foreign power and bulba being a hero (although, to be honest, a genuinly terrifying one). How is it perceived in poland?

>>129587946
You're so childish. Action (or inaction) results from your internal struggles. That's why Dostoyevsky's work is important, and shit that focuses exclusively on action is just entertainment.

>>129588200
Polish history is basically about how Poles did nothing wrong ever and how they are Jesus of nations. It's like Albanians, only Poles are human I guess.

>>129583906
I'm a genius!

>>129587669
What does Revolution have to do with fighting? Why do you reduce it to this? It's about fundamental questions of political philosophy, the role of religion in a state but also human morality. You're really a hipster melancholic LARPer

>>129585316
>irish
>white
Pick one

>>129585316
What the fuck is wrong with you? Clear your status bar!

>>129588200
The general consensus is that the nobles had too much power, so our country wasn't strong enough to defend its borders.

It's kinda like the United States before the burning of Washington. We believed in absolute freedom and got burned trying to practice it in reality. Unfortunately, we didn't have an ocean between us and our opponents, so we got partitioned.

>>129588516
Absolute freedom for nobility. Ordinary Poles were serfs. Nobility didn't even see themselves as Polish until late 18th century.

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>>129588516
and unending series of wars including the infamous deluge that reduced warsaw to rubble before that is a mere coincidence yeah

>>129585596
>>129584591
her femdom stuff is so damn good. She is my favorite Slav.

>>129588516
It is interesting that poles dont have good political philosophy considering that the whole idea of absolute freedom ended up in a oligarchy, you had a 200 years head start.

Like, there should have been a polish Locke or something.

>>129588157
>>To be fair, you' have to have a fair background in philosophy
But we had that in highschool too. And you do get told that the characters are stand-ins for various ideological/religious/philosophical standpoints and other information, it's not just "read this and fuck off" or is it nowadays?

>>129588406
Jesus Christ, you're a fan of Polish romantic fiction and you're calling me a melancholic LARPer, because I think it's disconnected from reality and that its mystic/symbolic themes are bullshit.

Look at you. You're ridiculous.

>>129588157
Lebezyatnikov was one of the 'fashionable' commies and Luzhin's roommate. Great paragraph about him sums up so many of those types:

"Andrey Semyonovitch really was rather stupid; he attached himself to the cause of progress and "our younger generation" from enthusiasm. He was one of the numerous and varied legion of dullards, of half-animate abortions, conceited, half-educated coxcombs, who attach themselves to the idea most in fashion only to vulgarise it and who caricature every cause they serve, however sincerely."

Dostoevsky threw shade on commies with the best of them.

>>129588200
Don't expect any answers from this guy as he lacks knowledge in history and political philosophy

Polish system was based on Roman Republic, influenced by Cicero which is especially seen in chronicles of Wincenty Kadłubek. It was simply a republican inspired system

Poland fell because there was a loss of consensus and unity about the culture. 18. century is basically a struggle between catholic traditionalists and radical progressives from big cities who want to "modernize" the country by secularizing it

If you read polish romantics then you can easily notice this motive where they criticize Poles for copying western intellectual trends, french german or english

>>129588873
Demons is more about commies.

>>129588688
That's how the world worked back then. What's next, you're going to be angry with Romans for owning slaves?

>>129588721
I said what the general consensus is. I never said I agree with that. In my opinion it is a rather shitty coincidence that we went full "muh freedumz" when all of our neighbors were extremely warlike. If we got smacked like the US, not downright curbstomped, we could've been a literal superpower. But oh well, what's done is done.

>>129584599
There are many layers in his stories.

>>129588981
>If you read polish romantics then you can easily notice this motive where they criticize Poles for copying western intellectual trends, french german or english
I've only read Sienkiewicz, he seemed to criticize your constant infighting and willingness of half of your nobility to sell their country and mothers for any foreign power.

>>129584980
The second half of Notes is so cringeworthy. It was legitimately difficult to read the character's interactions with those acquaintances of his.

>>129584591
S H A M E
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>>129589124
>could be
we *were* a literal superpower and im not even wewuzing here
new world products stomped our economy in example lookup "czerwiec" in google and then there were wars, turks, muscovy, turks, swedes again and again, after all that it was but a shell of a country, and due to our fantastic geographical position we could be either a superpower or a slave

>>129585401
aw check out the little philosopher, precious

>>129589025
That's up next after Brothers Karamazov, looking forward to it.

>>129588688
Ethnic identity was less important than feudal/religious identity in the Middle Ages in general, it is not really a specifically Polish thing. In the 16th-17th Century a Croatian nobleman could easily idenify both as a Croatian and as a Hungarian for example. Though they had one of the highest percentage of nobles in Europe (followed by Spain and Hungary iirc), and I think the "noble identity" had a very strong influence on their national character and attitude.

>>129589536
Give him a break, he's responding to a chest thumping idiot you stupid fuck.

>>129584818
>recognizing the porn actress
>claiming superiority
Kek
I watch porn from time to time when I'm drunk and shit, but I have no idea who that is

>>129588981
>Poland fell because there was a loss of consensus and unity about the culture. 18. century is basically a struggle between catholic traditionalists and radical progressives from big cities who want to "modernize" the country by secularizing it

Ah great, another Poland-centric post. Loss of consensus. Naturally. It's not like the entire continent was ruled by absolute monarchies or anything - and it's not like we actually were at the cutting edge when it comes to individual freedom back when our downfall began.

I find it funny that Mickiewicz is still poisoning Polish minds and is still causing severe cases of loss of touch with reality. I mean for fucks sake, it's not like our greatest writers have extensively criticized those faggots for the past 100 years or anything.

You're literally a living 19th century meme.

>>129589430
yeah the character is a complete assburger and you can see why no one really likes him yet i wonder just how much of nu-pol would behave in a similar manner and then bitch and moan

>>129584838
Literally noone read the brothers karamazow in the 9th grade you retard.

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The greates of world leaders is a slav.

>>129589430
Cringe is clearly the wrong wird here.
He is just so pathetic it hurts. It is not cringy but disgusting. I actually felt a little physically sick after reading that book.

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>>129589964
Wrong pic

>>129589861
I meant the cringeworthy statement positively btw. It had to take talent to write something so realistically painful.

Not sure how much of /pol/ old or new would act that way though. The character is interesting because he really does make interesting observations in the first half lending credence to his argument that he really is smarter than those around him by and large, but his inability to handle social situations leaves him frustrated.

I don't know, better that than some leftist pos imo.

>>129582073
an

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no >:(

>>129589777

This, I can't be bothered arguing with the guy so have my praise

>>129589884
Literally everyone who's been to a normal school in a normal country did.

>>129590231
But it is just so damn hard to like him PRECISELY because he is intelligent, yet a failure, especially those parts where he compares himself to an insect. Also, his life is our daily life, i mean, we all became similar to him and have our very own underground and feel no connection.

I have a love-hate relationship with the character, especially since back then kissing ass of your superiors was (and is clearly shown in the book) such a big deal, but that part where they stood him up for lunch and he had to wait for an hour is just so depressing.

It is interesting because it shows that no group wants a weak man or a pathethic one to be its voice thereby destroying the slave morality.

>>129589748
to be fair whoever she is, she is the only pornstar that looks like taylor swift in most situations. id google her for more.

>>129583855

>ukraine

YOU'RE FUCKING A WHITE SLAV

>>129590512
I'm pretty convinced this is edgy bait at this point.

>>129591469
Is the school system really so shitty in the west? Do you want me to link you some sites with mandatory reading lists and summaries and shit?

>>129591469
It's bait. Or he's retarded.

>>129582073
>-an

>>129591878
You didn't have Dostojevski in high school?

>>129592232
I read it and it was a waste of time at that point.

I read it twice and it was like reading a completely different book many years later.

Read Alexander Kuprin and Michael Bulgakov you all!

>>129592365
Does you being a mentally deficient untermensch negate the fact that you were actually introduced to the work during normal school curriculum?

>>129582073
The whole anti slav thing is stupid, and it's just a tool to get whites fighting with eachother. Stop being gullible rubes.

>>129592560
Literally nobody is arguing that Crime and Punishment isn't introduced. Try reading next time.

>>129584153
What did he mean by this?