So how did the ottoman empire last hundreds of years?

>>129580838
that has a simple answer. the real question is how did Europe achieve that intellectual leap in 200 years?

They conquered enough white people to make it somewhat civilized

>>129581777
this

>>129581777
777 KEK

>>129580838
>So how did the ottoman empire last hundreds of years?
Military slavery and a non-hereditary bureaucracy. As soon as the sultans did away with those their empire went into steep decline.

>>129581777
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With modern technology such a system might be able to survive much longer. Instead of having to force slave soldiers to be celibate against their nature, they could just have vasectomies from an early age. It would even be a good idea to provide them with female bedslaves, as it would prevent them from turning prison gay and having relationships with their fellow slave soldiers. That was one of the big problems: older janissaries would take younger janissaries as catamites, and that would create divided loyalties. A slave soldier must be loyal to his ruler above all else, and if they ever have a romantic partner, or worse, children then their loyalties are divided and corruption and venality begins.

>>129581777
Aaaand thread is done, good work and good post lad.


AND WHY IS THIS OI WRESTLIGN CONSIDERED MANLY!?!?
THERES BARELY ANY THROWS OR SWEEPS OR ANYTHING
ALL I SAW OF THAT IS 2 OILED UP TURKS FONDLING IN EACH OTHERS PANTS

they do look strong tho. But the sport is so insanely gay looking I cant get over it.
For fucks sake im training in BJJ for 15 years and ive seen a lot of gay looking shit in the gym, but man this oil wrestling is the epitome of faggy appearance.

>>129580838
Brutal slavery with no sympathy for other people.

>>129584693
There is nothing more manly than two muscular dudes wrestling in oil, zero estrogen in that action.

>>129584419
So instead of taking just male children from conquered territories, you'd also take female children. The males get vasectomies and the females are organized into small harems and rotated between bases on a regular basis. Sexual encounters are regulated and communal; maybe a weekly orgy, and every 2-3 months the harem is transferred to a new base and another harem takes its place. The idea is to prevent romantic relationships and children while preventing the janissaries from going prison gay and forming relationships within the unit.

Older janissaries, who have risen in the ranks or have been decorated for bravery, can get their vasectomies reversed and impregnate some of the bedslaves. The children would be taken from the mother at birth and raised by old bedslaves or those female slaves deemed too ugly for the harem. That way you could have an internal source of new slaves without having to constantly conquer new territories and expand. That was another major problem with the janissary system: you couldn't expand the military or replace losses without new slaves, and you couldn't get new slaves without military victory.

Modern technology would also alleviate the support problems faced by the Ottomans. Janissaries were given a plot of land and a few peasants to support their military procurement. This also meant you needed to constantly expand to find new territory or otherwise your janissaries wouldn't have land to draw wealth from. And when the old Ottoman janissaries went venal, it got even worse as they had hereditary title to land. In the modern world the supply problem could just be handled by taxation, alleviating the need for constant war.

>>129581777
If they managed to conquer those whites, that means they were (somewhat) civilized to begin with.

>>129584922
I dont know what to say to that.

>>129585237
>Barbarian Osman invades city
>Right Click Rename
>Spread Islam brain cancer
>Too much whites
>Back to barbarism
>Leave whole region messed up & go home
>Miss running water and civilization
>Move to Germany for more culture
>Spread Islam brain cancer
>Repeat

>>129585121
Older janissaries would retire after 20-25 years of service (military life is really hard on the body and most aren't going to be useful in that role after that time). They could have their vasectomy reversed and have a normal life. They'd be given what we would consider public service jobs. The more intelligent would be bureaucrats: tax collectors, customs agents, paper-pushers of all types. Perhaps the very best could be judges and cabinet members of the Sultanate, but if so they would have to be barred from marrying or holding property.

Older bedslaves would perhaps serve best in medical fields.

Military slavery is a perfectly workable system with a lot of benefits. Doesn't have to be tied to Islam either.