Even Farage believes a UK EFTA membership is best

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>>129560689
As long as I can continue to live anywhere inside the EU I don't care what happens.

No. Whats the point, may aswell stay a member. We'll have to abide by the rules but wont have a say in making them, worst of both worlds.

This is why I voted Remain, as I knew this would happen. At least as a member you have a say in the rules that are imposed on you

>>129560689
Then he's either lying or dumb as fuck.

No benefits, all the pain..

>>129560689
>sources
>anus

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>>129560689
>shitpost about leaving EU to drum up support for your political group
>panic when the vote actually succeeds because it'll wreck your shit
>try to backpedal over time as it becomes more and more obvious it's a terrible idea

>>129560860
Did anyone really think leaving the EU would mean that you become a prisoner trapped on the island?

>>129560863
>No. Whats the point, may aswell stay a member.
Well, you get your fishing rights back.

>>129560860
This was possible before we was even in the e.u.

>>129560863
kys

>>129560940
Grandees at both ends of the political spectrum have spent the weekend dusting down options for how Britain might still leave the European Union but crucially stay within the single market.

The so-called “Norway option” would see Britain remain within the European Economic Area – and therefore maintain full access to the single market – by rejoining the European Free Trade Association (EFTA), along with Norway, Switzerland and others.

Much discussed immediately before and after the referendum, this scenario had dropped out of vogue in Westminster because of the requirement for EFTA members to maintain a degree of free movement of people.

But now it is gaining support in unlikely quarters. “I think we are probably headed towards a Norway-type situation two-and-a-half years down the road,” former Ukip leader Farage told BBC Newsnight on Saturday. “Norway is better than where we are now ... it’s certainly not where I want to finish up [but] I do think now there will be backsliding.”

>>129561061
>This was possible before we was even in the e.u.
No, it really wasn't. Trust me, it wasn't. I myself didn't have any rights in Europe at all.

>>129560863
that was my thinking too (bong in burgerland)

at least before we had a fucking say in things, now we'll get all the same crap, bent over and fucked by every last cunt and can't do shit except pay more taxes

>>129561061
Yes, but it was very difficult.

Look at how difficult it is to emigrate to the US or Brazil.

>>129560689
Reminder that when the EU fails, Germany will be left holding the bag

>>129561281
It will not fall.

>>129561281
>when the EU fails
Throughout the 19th century, all enemies of the USA said that it is just a few more years and the USA will fail.

However, unlike the EU, the USA ACTUALLY failed twice, once in 1837 and once more in 1861.

It is still around doing its evil shit and so will the EU in 2050.

>>129561192
Exactly. For all the posturing, we need the EU for trade, so will have to deal. Free movement will still be here, we'll still have to do what the EU says and we'll have to pay a huge bill for leaving. Madness to give up our seat at the table if we still have to eat there

>>129561192
>>129561416
This unnerving lack of confidence and cuck bullshit is precisely the intention of these wobbles. You fucks have zero backbone for anything.

They must be off their fucking rocker. Why would you vote to leave then 'not leave' with a Brexit-lite?. Before they had seats in the EU parliament and considerable influence in the EU, now they just cucked themselves by becoming followers, not leaders (and those with considerable power to influence policy). Unless they just cut all their ties and start from scratch, they are going to be considerably worse off.

>>129561550
>This unnerving lack of confidence and cuck bullshit is precisely the intention of these wobbles. You fucks have zero backbone for anything.

Calm down. The EU is a trade organization. It is not so bad being part of it, even if you have no say in it. You will actually pay a lot less into the budget as an EFTA member and as said above, you will get back your fishing rights for the most part.

>>129561331
>>129561391
Just because the US has endured doesn't mean that all superstates will.

Look at the Soviet Union.

>>129561665
>The EU is a trade organization
If only it were JUST a trade organisation I don't think anyone would have voted leave

>>129561721
>Look at the Soviet Union.
That had economic problems. Pretty much all superpowers were stopped by economic troubles. The EU isn't crumbling economically. If it were, yes, it would be gone soon.

Fuck off Hans. Why are Germans still so asshurt because we want to leave your suicide pact?

I always felt bad for Germans during the migrant crisis but I'm slowly being brought around to the fact that you're hopeless, controlling, self-hating faggots. I'm finding it difficult to feel any sympathy for anyone who isn't an Anglo.

>>129561749
It is just a trade organization. Yes, some parts of trade have implications of e.g. movement of people and standardization of products.

>>129561550
44% of our trade goes to the EU.

Brexit was sold as us being able to make deals with India and China. Each country has maybe 100,000 wealthy people and a billion dirt poor in shanty towns. What the fuck are we going to sell them, Rolls Royce Jet Engines?

EU has 500million relatively well off potential customers for our goods and services.

All Brexit will mean is accepting any shit deal America offers us because theyll have us by the balls. And accepting whatever shit deal the EU offers us because theyll also have us by the balls. The Romanians will still be coming here and we'll still have to pay into the EU, dont let the Dad's Army repeats fool you into thinking we're still a global player, the empire died a long time ago, we're not

>>129560689
this just proves that it is impossible to leave

>>129561764
>The EU isn't crumbling economically.
You're overly optimistic.

The EU, while not "crumbling" is in dire straits economically. The eurozone has the slowest growth of ANY economic zone in the world. It's constantly teetering on the brink of recession.

Of course, you don't actually care about Europe, you only care about the German economy.

>>129560689

We wanted that in the first place. As long as we don't pay to be a member.

>>129561804
I can't think of a single trade organisation in the world that requires the free movement of people along with goods and services. Can you?

You and I both know that it's a political union moreso than an economic one.

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>>129560863
>as a member you have a say

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So it's going to be a 100bn exit fee, probably paying more per year than the membership ever was, keeping EU laws and regulations and having no say at all. Nice work Nigel.

>>129561804
>Trade organisation
Name another trade org that has it's own parliament, national anthem etc

>>129560689
Hard Brexit is the only Brexit

>>129561891
>The eurozone has the slowest growth of ANY economic zone in the world

This is not true. Also we are already incredibly rich, so for us to grow 0.5% per year means a lot more growth than say for Brazil to grow 5% per year.

If I have 1000 bux and grow it by 10% I will have 1100. If I have 10 bux and grow by 50% I will have 15 bux. Basic economics my boy.

>>129560689
They absolutely have no choice if they don't want their economy to hit Wheimer levels

>>129561946
>single trade organisation in the world that requires the free movement of people along with goods and services

NAFTA includes special movement of people provisions, especially for Canadians.

CETA also includes provisions about EU nationals moving to Canada and vice versa.

The EU has gone extreme on these provisions providing a right to people to look for work allowing states to deport EU nationals only after 3 months if they have not found employment or started being self-employed.

>>129560863
>At least as a member you have a say in the rules that are imposed on you
No you don't, Brussels let's you pretend that you do though

>>129561008
Nige literally only created the party to make Brexit happen
It's not "his party"

>>129562046
There won't be an exit fee, and how do you know we'll pay more? And clearly we won't be playing by all of their rules

>>129561891
>The EU, while not "crumbling" is in dire straits economically.

Stop this. the EU (i.e. the EU states) are doing better than the US right now - in terms of GDP growth, in terms of financial stability, in terms of budget deficits and in terms of trade deficits and thus competitiveness.

Don't tell me that the EU, which is the largest trade partner of China, is in dire straits economically. You would need to back that up with numbers.

>>129561775
>I slowly began to hate them
Now I know how Hitler felt.

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>>129561841
>44% of our trade goes to the EU.
Actually, you should think about trade in terms of single market trade, or even more inclusive European tariff union trade, which approaches 60% of British trade.

>>129562138
>This is not true
Look it up.

>If I have 1000 bux and grow it by 10% I will have 1100. If I have 10 bux and grow by 50% I will have 15 bux. Basic economics my boy.
Thanks for the lesson in economics professor but the EU is still stagnating compared to other developped economies.

>>129562199
>The EU has gone extreme
Indeed it has. The EU says that if you have an EU passport you can live in any EU country you want.

Normally this wouldn't be a problem except that you guys keep inviting the third world into Europe.

>>129561391
The EU and Germany are not capitalist, when you fall you won't be able to get back up
Our economy is literally built to do exactly that which is why we have yet to fall

>>129561550
This so much. Why are my countrymen spineless faggots who hate themselves? I have to go to fucking America to talk to someone resembling an Anglo with balls. What the fuck made Britain so unconfident?

>>129562295
>the EU (i.e. the EU states) are doing better than the US right now
I'm going to need proof of this. That goes against everything I've read.

The EU was created to bring stability and prosperity to the continent. Can you honestly tell me that Europe today is safe and prosperous? Fucking France has over 10% unemployment! France! Don't even get me started on the mediterranean countries or the terrorist threat...

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>>129562391
>Look it up.
I have. See pic related. The CIS countries are performing infinitely worse than the EU.

>Thanks for the lesson in economics professor but the EU is still stagnating compared to other developped economies.
Will you back this up with facts or just spew memes? Also you couldn't even spell developed right.

>>129561764
Yes it is, massively
The only reason it looks like it isn't is because you offshore all debt accumulated by the union to smaller union states to keep your books clean and make you look like you're above water
The EU has been hemmoraging since 2006 and it hasn't stooped

>>129562272
>how do you know we'll pay more?

The exit fee won't go away and I assume EFTA fees are calculated pretty much the same as membership and there will be no rebate any more. And don't be silly about playing by the rules.

>>129562391
>The EU says that if you have an EU passport you can live in any EU country you want.
I personally am against that. I think the right should be limited to having a job above a certain threshold (let us say 25k a year or so) or having enough money to live on for 12 months at least.

>Normally this wouldn't be a problem except that you guys keep inviting the third world into Europe.
Sorry, but that is NOT a problem for you. There are literally no non-whites coming to the UK from the EU under freedom of movement laws. Simply because non-whites are not EU nationals and even those who are, they are not moving to the UK. 99% of EU immigration to the UK is white and most of them are Christian. Look it up.

>>129562438
>The EU and Germany are not capitalist
Then wtf are they ?

>>129562438
>Our economy is literally built to do exactly that which is why we have yet to fall
Last you went bankrupt in the early 1970s during the Nixon shock. Your currency crashed, you essentially paid 20 cents on the dollar on your debt, which in anyone's book is a bankruptcy scenario... followed by a decade of stagflation.

And the end of Bretton woods is still making your country shit, just look it up.

>>129560689
Redpill me on efta
>sound shitty
>follow all their rules, take fugees, pay up, only thing you get is select industry and trade autonomy

>>129562628
Socialist cockups that started falling apart so capitalism was wleded into it's bloated corpse to keep it afloat
IE: A mixed market economy
Also the very thing the leftists and globalists want us to do except in reverse and out of virtue signaling not necessity

>>129562531
You're right. I stand corrected.

Antarctica does have worse growth than the EU.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/29/the-only-continent-with-weaker-economic-growth-than-europe-is-an/

>>129562598
>I personally am against that. I think the right should be limited to having a job above a certain threshold (let us say 25k a year or so) or having enough money to live on for 12 months at least.
Okay but you're not in charge of the EU are you?

>There are literally no non-whites coming to the UK from the EU under freedom of movement laws.
I live in London and I can assure you this couldn't be further from the truth.

Not that I care about them being white or not but I'm tired of being told by German politicians that we need to do more to help the refugees that they welcomed with open arms. You made your own bed.

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>>129562508
>I'm going to need proof of this. That goes against everything I've read.
See pic related. The EU has done better than the US economically lately.

And it is not just Germany, actually countries such as Spain and even Greece are now growing faster than the US and the UK.

>>129562598
>slavs
>white

I lived among these creatures for quite a while. They are not like us at all.

>>129562682
>You've had market problems before
>You're still here and the world's super power but you fell
That isn't how it works Heinrich, when you fall you become what Nazi Germany is(non-existent)

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>>129562807
>start of a year

This happens every year

>>129562778
Europe was always capitalist, socialism isn't an economic system

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>>129562793
>I live in London and I can assure you this couldn't be further from the truth.

The non-whites of London were all let in by the UK under UK legal immigration laws, they do not come from the EU. You know that, right?

>>129560863
ITT: How stupid can you be.

>>129562864
>when you fall you become what Nazi Germany is(non-existent)

There was never such a thing as "Nazi Germany". Germany was Germany before 1933, it was Germany from 1933 to 1945 and it was Germany thereafter. It still exists as Germany.

>>129561061
>>129561019
I bump into stuff being divided into "For UK/EU citizens" and "Others" all the time whenever I'm in the UK, starting with the airport.

>>129563009
The guy is literally braindead. Best to just ignore him.

>>129560689
There is only one kind of Brexit, The Brexit we voted for which is to leave the single market

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>>129562905
>>start of a year
>This happens every year
No, it doesn't. Growth in the EU is quite significant these days.

>>129563009
Do you think that you can tell someone's race by their nationality?

I've met dozens and dozens of non-white French, Spanish, Italians, etc... Who've come to London to look for work.

But as I said, I'm not a stormfriend. I don't care about race. I do care about national sovereignty and democracy.

If we decide to let in immigrants that's one thing, being forced to accept immigrants by the German chancellor or EU leaders is another.

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>>129562989
>socialism isn't an economic system

>>129563095
Are you seriously suggesting the reason why 80% of Pakis and Indians and 75% of Nigerians and Somalis and 85% of Bangladeshis in the EU all live in the UK is because of EU freedom of movement??

I got a nice poo in the loo to sell you then.

>>129563076
>Being this autistic
Why

>>129562807
EU growth is at +0.6% in Q1 2017. And that's the best it's done since the start of 2015.

>>129563136
The anglosphere always underperforms on Q1, Hans
Thanks to holidays, tendency to travel, no holiday puchases etc

>>129563103
>The Brexit we voted for which is to leave the single market
Wasn't on the ballot.

Actually, I would argue that logic dictates that you stay in the single market. 48% voted for staying members of the EU. I seriously doubt that of 52% who voted to leave the EU, every single one also wanted to leave the single market. You just need 4% of those 52% (Equalling 2pp) to also have been for staying in the single market but leaving the EU. And in that case, you would clearly have voted to leave the EU, but stay in the single market.

I think that is more likely than 95% of the 52% wanting to leave the EU and leave the single market.

>>129563275
All these things are adjusted, mate.

>>129561391
>evil
Whatever you say Mohammed.

>>129563238
>EU growth is at +0.6% in Q1 2017. And that's the best it's done since the start of 2015.
Which is 2.5% annualized. Quite a lot really.

>>129563310
If we don't leave the single market, what's point of leaving at all?

>>129563339
>Whatever you say Mohammed.
Are you suggesting the USA is not an evil empire? How many innocent civilians have you killed again in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.? How many dictators have you installed? How many democratic governments have you toppled?

If the US isn't evil, who is?

>>129563199
I don't mean you. I mean the other brit spewing brexit propaganda with zero original thinking of his own. Literally everything he says has been parroted for months over here.

>>129563380
>If we don't leave the single market, what's point of leaving at all?

You are not in the EU any more. that is the point. If Norway or Iceland wanted to join the EU, they would. But they don't. So they stay in the single market but do not join the EU.

There is quite a difference here, especially when talking about budget contributions.

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>>129563405
>krauts unironically believe that the US is evil

>>129563344
Only assuming that it's going to repeat that performance for the rest of the year. Given that that's the best it's done in two years I'm assuming not. We're all also due another recession, and all the warning signs are present that it's imminent.

>>129563405
The blood of two world wars is on your hands you know.

>>129563541
>Only assuming that it's going to repeat that performance for the rest of the year. Given that that's the best it's done in two years I'm assuming not. We're all also due another recession, and all the warning signs are present that it's imminent.
On a US style basis, in Q1 2017, you had 2.1% annualized growth in the EU, which is quite good and it is projected to be more than that in the full year 2017.

>>129563461
We are not Norway or Iceland.

People voted to leave the EU due, in large part, to end the freedom of movement.

Single market membership is contingent upon freedom of movement. If we don't leave the single market we will be arguably even worse off since we will no longer even have a chair at the table.

>>129563536
>>129563633
The US is still an evil empire. Why are you even doubting that? Any empire which installs dictators, topples legitimate governments, funds terror organizations and kills millions of civilians is. There is just no way around it.

>>129563536
>there is someone on pol that believes the usa is a benevolent empire
Please leave

>>129563685
>People voted to leave the EU due, in large part, to end the freedom of movement.
Says who?

Again, 48% voted for staying in the EU. Are you seriously suggesting that more than 95% of the 52% were categorically against freedom of movement?

Fact is, we do not know if there is a majority for or against staying in the single market. Most likely there is a majority for it, as you just need 2pp from the 52%.

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>>129560689
> 5 euro für kevin aus Berlin

>>129563634
It's forecast at 1.6% for 2017. While obviously this isn't bad when the next recession comes, it's just going to sink again.

>>129560863
We don't have a say anyway, that's why being totally out is the only means of having some legislative control back in our own country.

>>129563691
Okay Mehmet. The rest of ISIS agrees with you.

>>129563719
Did I say they were benevolent?

Would you rather have the Russians or the Chinese in charge perhaps? Who do you think would be worse?

>>129563766
>Says who?
Pretty much anyone who voted leave.

>Are you seriously suggesting that more than 95% of the 52% were categorically against freedom of movement?
Yes.

Why on earth would you vote to leave if you were in favour of the freedom of movement? If you like free movement you voted remain.

I'd wager that even amongst the 48% there were those who would like to see changes to freedom of movement laws.

>>129563837
>Swiss flag
>Switzerland de facto member of the single market with all 4 freedoms

Fez, don't throw any stones if you sit in a glass house. You voted against freedom of movement and your government just ignored your vote. How does this feel?

>>129562989
> socialism isn't an economic system
youre clinically retarded arent you?
all of marxism is a worthless economic system based on flawed assumptions and the delusions of rich bearded plutocrats in the coffeehouses of vienna london munich and paris

arguing that marxism is NOT an economic system is simply delusional

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>>129563876
1.6% is the too optimistic UK growth forecast. It is 1.9% for the Eurozone right now and that is probably too conservative given the recent growth path.

>>129563766
>Says who?
A great deal of the debate surrounding brexit revolved around immigration policy and market access. Your argument about dividing the vote with a different scenario falls flat because these issues were hashed out as the consequences of the decision prior to the vote.

>>129563914
>Okay Mehmet. The rest of ISIS agrees with you.

Actually, ISIS believes the evil of the US is justified under their religion. This is why ISIS never criticized the atrocities that the US has committed in places such as Vietnam.
>>129563914
>>Says who?
>Pretty much anyone who voted leave.
Source.

>>129560689

The only option merkel can offer is a hard brexit. Anything less would weaken the EU commission. But keep blaming us.

>>129564069
If the UK government wanted people to vote on leaving the single market, they should ask their people. They did not ask their people. Actually, Farage was 100% against asking people subquestions in the EU referendum. The UK populace could have been asked "Do you want to leave the EU?" and "Do you want to leave the EU single market?". But Brits were not asked the second question so we will never know what people thought back then.

PErsonally, I think people should be asked what type of Brexit they want. It is the only democratic choice. If people want a hard Brexit, then there should be a majority of that.

>>129564037
Fair enough, I didn't see that they bumped it up recently. However, the main problem is that it's taken so long to begin to recover that we're now already back at the point where we're due another recession.

>>129564140
>The only option merkel can offer is a hard brexit. Anything less would weaken the EU commission. But keep blaming us.
Merkel has said she will accept any deal that is good for both sides. An EFTA style deal is good for everyone, so why not accept it?

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>>129560689

erm no sweetie that's where you're wrong.

>On election night David Davis had a bit of a wobble and conceded that single market membership might be back on the table thanks to the dire Tory result. These words infuriated Leave Tories and were immediately seized upon by gleeful Remainers. Today Davis has clarified that Britain will still be leaving the single market, and that we will “not be going down the Norway route”.

>Today’s Times splash excitedly claims May will now pursue “soft Brexit“. The policy remains to leave the single market. Not soft Brexit, just Brexit…

>>129564199
>PErsonally, I think people should be asked what type of Brexit they want. It is the only democratic choice. If people want a hard Brexit, then there should be a majority of that.

That was supposed to be the subject of the recent general election, but it was a complete mess.

>>129564202
The EU's population is shrinking (yes, despite the influx of illegals in 2015 and early 2016). That the EU's economy is growing in real terms at all, is pretty much a miracle. Countries with stagnant or declining populations need to do a lot more to grow their GDPs than countries with a rapidly expanding population such as the US and the UK.

>>129564259
>Today Davis has clarified that Britain will still be leaving the single market, and that we will “not be going down the Norway route”.

I guess you need the votes in parliament for that, and those votes aren't there. Labour will do anything to make the Tories look bad, so they will close ranks and vote against a hard Brexit. And then you just need a few more Cuckservatives to break ranks and those Scottish Tory MPs are staunchly against leaving the single market.

So that is that.

>>129564259
ummm no swetie, the DUP won't allow it

try again?

>>129561592
We never had 'power' through or with Europe . The most we get is a six month period of president bullshit every thirteen years in a club that doesn't pay its bills,won't audit its accounts and disadvantages while cultures for decades for profit.
How can university educated people fall for this tripe.
Bottleless cucks is why.

>>129564280
>That was supposed to be the subject of the recent general election, but it was a complete mess.

It is better to ask the people directly. No harm in that. Just stage another consultative referendum next year. Ask "Should the UK stay in the EU single market?" It is a clear YES - NO question. And at that point negotiations should have made clear what leaving the EU single market entails.

>>129564431

The DUP want a hard Brexit you moron they were the only party other than UKIP to campaign for one.

>>129564413

Completely wrong, the Tory whips are infamously good and there are quite literally 3 hardline remoaner Tory MPs. Not enough to make the government lose, and there are also quite a few hardline hard Brexit Labour MPs such as Kate Hoey.

Go back to krautchan Hans you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>129563634
Most of the growth comes from the east.
Poland, Hungary, Romania, Latvia had 4%+ growth, most countries on the west are around 1%

>>129564480
Are we supposed to hold a referendum on every single one of the terms of leaving the EU?

Do you have any idea what organising a referendum in a country of 65 million people entails?

We've had a referendum to leave the EU. We should leave the EU and cut all ties with it. Once we're out we can start negotiating trade deals.

>>129564465
>We never had 'power' through or with Europe .
Not quite true. The UK has always teamed up with Germany, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands etc. - with the so-called "free trade capitalist block" agains the socialist Med countries.

This is also why Germany is trying to bind France to Germany so much. We proped up Macron to try to get France away from its socialist ways. I believe we will fail with this and the EU will end up more socialist and less of a free market.

>>129564531
>and there are quite literally 3 hardline remoaner Tory MPs.
Actually, 3 is all it takes. Look up the numbers.

>>129564413
Anyone else hate Germans now? I never used to but god damn I hope they all get "enriched" out of existence by the diversity they desire.

>>129564630

Yeah now you're not even worth replying to, the Tories have a 10 seat majority with the DUP.

The speaker does not count and SF do not sit.

Why even bother posting about British politics if Americans know more?

>>129564578
>Most of the growth comes from the east.
Not quite true. Germany makes up the bulk of the Eurozone GDP and only beause Germany grows at a good pace is the Eurozone expanding a lot. The East is expanding better, but taking all Eastern European countries together (except Poland) and you are still only getting 1/3rd of German GDP.
>Poland, Hungary, Romania, Latvia had 4%+ growth, most countries on the west are around 1%
Poland is the only important one here and the West is not growing at 1%, but at 2%.

>>129564606
You're talking shite fritz

How did that explain our power level compared to being out?

>>129564669
Your personal feelings are irrelevant. Go to sleep.

>>129564669
I've legitimately began to hate Germans as a result of browsing /pol/.

I always thought that the German govt were the ones making bad decisions to the detriment of the people but no, Germans are in fact cuckolds who want people like Merkel and Schultz to run the show.

>>129563087
That's not true segregation, it just makes admin stuff much easier. British passports going through a British passport service and EU passports through an EU passport service just makes sense.

>>129564578

I would love to move to Poland but the thought of learning the language terrifies me

>>129564777
>38 posts by this ID
And you're not even being paid for it. Pathetic.

>>129564679
>the Tories have a 10 seat majority with the DUP.
No, they do not. 318 plus 10 is 328. Losing 3 votes you are at 325 which is actually, which is below the parliamentary majority. Yes, there is Sinn Fein not taking their seats, but guess what, at 325 you won't get hard Brexit through parliament. A vote won't even be called. It would just be too controversial.

>>129564844
Of course he is, he's all day , every day= paid

>>129564844

He's also completely fucking wrong, doesn't have any idea what the current numbers are even he could've at least taken the time to look that up. What a sad sad individual, Germans deserve every shitskin they get at this point.

>>129564766
>How did that explain our power level compared to being out?
In the EU you were pretty much writing a lot of EU laws including banking and trade policies.

Out of the EU, you will not have any influence.

>>129561115

Provided it gives them an easier option to close the borders etc should they choose, what's the big deal?

>>129564889

To get a vote passed you only have to win by one you complete and utter moron.

>a vote won't even be called it would just be too controversial

Do you know how many close votes there have been in the past? Do you know how many Labour MPs represent hardcore Leave constituencies?

Why post about something you have absolutely no clue about?

Who cares what the bongs think. We can't allow them to leave with our nuclear weapons!

>>129561331

It already is collapsing.

It needs a massive shake up/change in direction.

That won't happen until Merkel and her cronies are gone.

So this will drag out painfully for ages.

ITT the recognizable German whines against the UK leaving.

I swear, I wish we could leave as well and embargo Germany.

>>129561416

Then hard brexit and go with the Tory option.

>>129564955
>Provided it gives them an easier option to close the borders etc should they choose, what's the big deal?
There is no big deal. EFTA is probably by far the best option for the UK. Least disruptive, best for everyone. And yes, there will be some freedom of movement concessions in this scenario, but to a large degree EU nationals will still be able to move to the UK to work. But the UK will continue to be able to reject any terrorists or welfare queens at the border.

>>129564930
It's like nothing existed before the EU isn't it fritz ?
Barmy

>>129562155

There economy will be worse if they don't do a hard exit. If they do a lite, they will get fucked.

The answer to their problems is easy, but British millenials are lazy cowards who will dig their own graves.

>>129564965
>Do you know how many close votes there have been in the past?
I know there hasn't even been a vote on an EU matter that passed with 325 votes.

>>129565032
>I wish we could leave as well and embargo Germany.
We also want Italy to leave. 140% debt to GDP ratio and climbing.

We want the UK to stay because they actually got an economy and like the free market.

>>129565136

Oh you must've been sleeping when this happened then.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/13/brexit-vote-article-50-eu-citizens-rights-lords-mps

>>129560860
>As long as I can continue to live anywhere inside the EU I don't care what happens.

Just paint yourself a brown colour and swim across the channel on a dingy. Hey presto, the EU is your oyster!

>>129565127
>It's like nothing existed before the EU isn't it fritz ?
Explain. Are you seriously suggesting 1960s laws on banking are comparable to what we have now? You do understand tech has changed? Are you trying to use 1960s laws to regulate things like high frequency trading or complex derivatives clearing?

>>129565230
https://archive.is/h1DQP

>>129565253
>Just paint yourself a brown colour and swim across the channel on a dingy. Hey presto, the EU is your oyster!
>This is what Brits actually believe
>Britain is by far the most non-white country in Europe

Jesus, people are delusional.

>>129565184
So we stand "against" our Mediterranean brothers?
It's Germany that has spoiled the EU for me, but then the French would have done that anyway.

>>129565261
How dense can you be, our banking laws would have evolved without the EU .

>>129565352
>So we stand "against" our Mediterranean brothers?
Brothers? What? Sorry, but Italy, Spain and Greece have been nothing but problems. They are socialist, lazy, debt laden and unproductive.

>It's Germany that has spoiled the EU for me, but then the French would have done that anyway.
Who cares who "spoiled" the EU for you personally? The point is that free trade makes sense.

The British need to accept that WW1 and WW2 happened, and they need to adapt accordingly. They should be looking to Japan, Switzerland and Singapore for guidance on how to be isolated glorified city states with shrinking and ageing populations. Beef up their sovereign defense and adjust to being a new nation.

This constantly push to maintain status is going to kill them. There won't be a Britain eventually at this rate.

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Kek, you just got fucked in the ass. Like us, we had no say in the membership of EFTA. We voted no on EU, but our leaders signed us into EFTA without asking anyone . The opinion of the people means nothing. I would fucking riot now if i were u. You will still follow the rules of EU and frau Merkel.

>>129565479
My teammates are on my team .
But yeah a typical German response.

>>129565479

Free trade makes sense.

Ethnic replacement does not.

Germany and France want to no longer exist - That's fine. The British have a chance to withdraw from this madness.

But I doubt they'll take it.

>>129560689
>Norway style Brexit coming.
It's a trap, get out of that shit!
>We voted no
>Days after we were in this mess
>Shits poring in....

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>>129565479
>free trade makes sense.
What part in "free trade" includes inviting every shitskin from africa and the middle east?

Is it true that the majority of migrants from Europe/ Eastern Europe come here to work? Are there any numbers? because I can't find any.

>>129560689
Bullshit implanting of that idea.

>>129560689
“With economic growth lagging and the refugee crisis out of control, the EU is on the verge of breakdown and is set to undergo an experience similar to that of the Soviet Union in the early 1990s.”
Jeworg Soros

EU will fall very soon.

>>129562586
The exit fee will be treated with the same level of respect as Germany's WW1 reparations.

Read: none.

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>>129563136
How can non gypsies even begin to hope to compete? Somebody give me a reason why the Balkans shouldn't be ruled by Romania and be better for everybody?

>>129560689
>Norway style brexit
Britain has nothing of value to achieve the same status as Norway

>>129566026
Brexit and trump have united europe like nothing ever has before

In a decade or two the EU will be a legit superpower

I'm not sure whether thats a good thing or not

>>129566861
ussr also was united, but it fell apart in 3 years.

in 5 years EU will fall apart - no children, many debts, markets around the world are increasing tarrifs. lost wars in ukraine and syria. EU transformed into union of indebted and creditors

what is an average rate of return that common person (commoner) can get without risk? lol

>>129567232
It wasnt united at all, all the members wanted out from under russias thumb

>>129567421
And how is the eu united now? When the leaders are drunk bankers who call one county lazy beaners and threatening others to take in nigger "syrian refugees" by the thousands?

>>129567421
it was united, all members states received gibs from russia and rulled by central planing. today all post soviet states are shittier than russia in terms of economy, even baltics

USSR collapsed because the only "rate of return" that commoner could get was negative lol and there were no sence to work and save, so people stopped to work hard and ussr collapsed

>>129564789
The smugness of Krauts is what kills me. We're obnoxious and crude, but at least we aren't smug.

The allies should've let the Soviets obliterate Germany (and its people) to ashes.

>>129567604
USSR collapsed because all the nations wanted to leave, so they did and Russia wasnt willing to go to war to stop them

>>129567948
communism is shit, btw
ukraine, belarus, kazahstan and russia didnt want to leave union, they wanted to transform it lol. other nations are not important and it doesnt matter what they think.

ussr collapsed because of internal economic reasons, EU has same now. Jeworge Soros just pointed it.

>>129560689
That's not what he said. He said that's probably what the result of the election would cause. He said he didn't want that, but tomorrow the papers will say he did.

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>>129560689
>Norway style Brexit coming.
That's no Brexit. I guess Europe is heading for civil war then.

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>>129560860
>As long as I can continue to live anywhere inside the EU I don't care what happens.

Allhalla hoo ackbart, all hail the eu, saviour of the muslime faith

>>129562391
>Normally this wouldn't be a problem except that you guys keep inviting the third world into Europe.

Even that is a problem, it basically means giving up your country. For people who care about their future it is a big fucking problem, but if you like being fucked by Brussels then i guess it is a blessing.

>>129566530
>How can non gypsies even begin to hope to compete?

That's the EU for you. That's what it has always been, a den of fucking corruption.

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>>129565111
>access to market
>free movement of people
>no input
But what is the point?

>
>"Hans, I'm tired of sharing our lawn, can we just split it up and do our own thing?"
>"Sure thing, Nigel. First you need to contribute half the costs of the lawnmower, plus interest so ridiculously high you could've just bought 5 yourself."
>"Of course you will still have to except the free movement of my cousins on to your yawn, Mehmet and Faruk."
"U wotm8?"
"We can't break up the lawn, and maintain the grass clippings without the free movement of my cousin."
>So, our lawn would be divided superficially, I'm still paying for the maintenance of your half plus interest, and your goat fucking cousins still shit on my lawn?"
>That is correct, Nigel."
Soft-Brexit makes worse sense for Brits than Hard-Brexit does for you.

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Anyone else feellike this is a great big conspiracy to gauge the temperament of EU member states?

Like, if we voted to stay it means that demoralisation is complete;if we vote leave they still have more work to do.

Hence all the backtracking, constant elections and re-referendums and rigmarole so we go "fuck it, just be ruled by Europe we're obviously too incompetent."

>>129561179
That's because you're a sand nigger

>>129565479
Free trade makes sense. Having to follow EU immigration laws and having to put resources into an EU superpower so Angolf Merkler can begin the Fourth Reich to keep access to that market and avoid sanctions doesn't make sense. Fuck you, fuck her, and fuck Juncker, I hope Poland doesn't back down in resisting their bullshit.

>>129560860
well right now you cant live anywhere you want inside the EU. For instance: EU citizens do not have a legal right to settle in Denmark.
As an EU citizen you have the right to travel to Denmark and stay here up to 3 months (law is being change soon though because we dont want gypsy and roma scum).
If you get a job in Denmark and work 5 years straight you can send the government a notice that you would want right to permanent residency. If granted you will not be deported if you lose your job.

and that is just for Denmark. The "free movement of people" inside the EU is not a free as you EU shills think.

>>129571867
>The "free movement of people" inside the EU is not a free as you EU shills think.

It is more free than you describe. You have the right to settle and work everywhere in the EU. You do not have the right to social gibmees unless you worked for some time in a country.

Deportations of EU nationals can happen, but only if you require gibmees and are not looking for work, not studying or not working. I personally have literally never heard of any deportations of EU nationals. I think they pretty much never happen.

>anti-brexit globalist puppet charges to the front of the line after brexit wins
>wants early elections and purposely then does retarded shit
>not seeing this coming after you trifled with the powers-that-be

fucking IDIOTS

>>129569452
Not really.

The conversation would be like the following:

"Hans, I do not want to be in our lawn tennis club any more. I will leave."
"Nigel, please talk to the club manager, I am just another member."

5min later

"Jean-Claude, I want to exit our lawn tennis club. What shall I do?"
"Jean-Claude. This is fine, as you know, we have a 2 year withdrawal period as agreed in our membership contract. Also, you will have to pay for the damages your kids did to the lawn in the past months."
"Ok, but I will be able to continue paying tennis here?"
"No... no, not really. You will need to continue membership to play tennis here."
"Butttt, that is not fair?"
"Well, you could be a guest player, but in this case you would have to pay a guest fee."
"So how much for the guest fee if I want to play every week?"
"Well, Nigel, if you want to play every week, you will end up paying as much as a member really."
"Noooo!"

>>129575412
>You have the right to settle and work everywhere in the EU.

theoretically yes
but in reality.... no, you don't
you as a german should know since your own country aren't taking any eu immigrants now

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>>129563136
>worse then Greece

>>129575826

I am not quite sure what you are talking about. Here are the rules:

.Rights and obligations:
For stays of under three months: the only requirement for Union citizens is that they possess a valid identity document or passport. The host Member State may require the persons concerned to register their presence in the country.
For stays of over three months: EU citizens and their family members — if not working — must have sufficient resources and sickness insurance to ensure that they do not become a burden on the social services of the host Member State during their stay. Union citizens do not need residence permits, although Member States may require them to register with the authorities. Family members of Union citizens who are not nationals of a Member State must apply for a residence permit, valid for the duration of their stay or a five-year period.
Right of permanent residence: Union citizens acquire this right after a five-year period of uninterrupted legal residence, provided that an expulsion decision has not been enforced against them. This right is no longer subject to any conditions. The same rule applies to family members who are not nationals of a Member State and who have lived with a Union citizen for five years. The right of permanent residence is lost only in the event of more than two successive years’ absence from the host Member State.
Restrictions on the right of entry and the right of residence: Union citizens or members of their family may be expelled from the host Member State on grounds of public policy, public security or public health. Guarantees are provided to ensure that such decisions are not taken on economic grounds, comply with the proportionality principle and are based on personal conduct, among others.
Finally, the directive enables Member States to adopt the necessary measures to refuse, terminate or withdraw any right conferred in the event of abuse of rights or fraud, such as marriages of convenience.

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>>129561935
but the Norway model is paying into teh EU budget while having no say at all...

>>129575412
>You have the right to settle
no you do not. At least not in Denmark.
You have the right to seek employment and be employed without asking for permission by the danish state.
and if you get a job you can buy/rent property so you can live here with a roof above your head. However if you lose said job before 5 years of employment then its time to leave or deportation.
>I personally have literally never heard of any deportations of EU nationals.
haha really? We deport lots of Romanians and eastern Euros every fucking year.

maybe you are right about most of Europe and perhaps Denmark is just different because of our legal reservations towards the EU.

>>129562508
>>Fucking France has over 10% unemployment! France! Don't even get me started on the mediterranean countries or the terrorist threat...

these are all homemade problems which would be a thing regardless of an EU.

>>129564597
>Once we're out we can start negotiating trade deals.
Brit on holidays in Greece here. I work as IT manager in one of the few manufacturing companies left in the UK. We directly employ over 8000 people in the UK, close to 30k when suppliers are considered.

Hard Brexit would absolutely fuck us over due to data protection laws not to mention issues with just in time supply chains.

All you meme spewing fucks who seem to get their "facts" straight out of Daily Mail and The Sun should first educate yourself on a few basic facts rather than regurgitate the same old tautological bullshit.

>>129576439
>However if you lose said job before 5 years of employment then its time to leave or deportation.

Not really. If you lose your job, you have the RIGHT to find new employment or be self-employed. Only once you fail to support yourself and have no healthcare and claim gibmees from the government, can you be deported ( in case you have been in the country for less than 5 yrs).

Very different situation to what you said.

>>129576439
>haha really? We deport lots of Romanians and eastern Euros every fucking year.
Source. Yes, I want a source for that.

>>129575985
the freedom of movement thing is pure propaganda, it's there to make normies feel free in the eu...but did anything actually change with these agreements?
the only thing that changed is visa free travel and that they can't deny you registering at a country. you will still get denied full citizenship in most eu countries if you don't meet the demands of the country you're immigrating to. in some countries these requirements became even stricter after the shengen agreement.

>>129576682
This Grekobrit knows.

Supply chains in Europe are tightly integrated. Even with no tariffs whatsoever, divergent rules could fuck over supply chains and cost jobs. Airbus has said just that yesterday.

>>129576439
yup this is absolutely true....i looked into immigrating to denmark, it's almost impossible to get in without a big pile of money on your bank account

>>129576782
>the freedom of movement thing is pure propaganda, it's there to make normies feel free in the eu...but did anything actually change with these agreements?

Trust me, things changed. Before freedom of movement, I could not live and work in Germany. After freedom of movement, I could. Only thing I had to do is literally fill out a form at the local registry which took 5min. I have been for 6 years now.

>>129576878
Frankly I am more concerned about data protection stuff. If UK crashes out of EU we would literally have to stop production in all 4 UK sites as all our main databases are in the EU. No access to data = no production.

>>129576953

>Trust me

nah, i rather trust the years of research me and my wife did into getting out of this fucking hellhole that is belgium

just fill out a form... you're a joke man, probably one of those shitskins or eastern europeans they're bringing in to replace us too

>>129577313
Actually, I am a lawyer. Filling out a form here in Germany, was the only thing I had to do. Literally, the only thing. It is as easy as that.

The funny thing is that even Germans have to fill out a similar form of residence... only that they had to wait longer to have their forms processed! I was waiting 5 min, they were waiting 15-20min.

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>>129576751
>Not really. If you lose your job, you have the RIGHT to find new employment or be self-employed.
wrong.
You know nothing about the Denmark and EU relations and law do you?

>>129576936
or you could get a high paid job here and then move.

>>129560918
Schengen is the only associated pain we have to deal with

Keyword is "have"

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>>129577663
>wrong.
>You know nothing about the Denmark and EU relations and law do you?
I know EU law and it literally says just that. You have the right to look for employment in every EU member state. This right is the same if you first come to the country or if you already were in the country and got fired.

http://ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=459

>>129576764
https://www.b.dk/danmark/smaatyveri-er-nok-til-udvisning-af-eu-borgere
http://udln.dk/da/Praksis/Adm_udvisning/EU_borger.aspx
http://www.udln.dk/da/Praksis/Adm_udvisning/EU_borger/FAM_2015_93.aspx
http://www.mynewsdesk.com/dk/koebenhavns-politi/pressreleases/eu-borger-udvist-for-tiggeri-1674685
and ON and ON it goes.

>>129577944
>I know EU law
did you miss the picture I posted? Denmark is not part of the Area of freedom, security and justice.

"Denmark, Ireland and the United Kingdom have opt-outs from the area of freedom, security and justice."
"Ireland and the United Kingdom have a flexible opt-out from legislation adopted in the area of freedom, security and justice, which includes all matters previously part of the pre-Amsterdam Justice and Home Affairs (JHA) pillar.[49]"
"In contrast, Denmark has a more rigid opt-out from the area of freedom, security and justice."

EU law only apply in Denmark if it is passed in our parliament.

http://retsforbehold.eu.dk/da/folkeafstemning/retsforbeholdet

>>129560863
You and me both. If only people had used their brains eh?

>>129563901
The EU is a federation. You vote for the EU officials. The policies are largely drafted my the ministers of the EU

>>129560689
Western democracy, everyone!

>>129561891
Because the EU is the most developed economies. Developed economies like Japan and Singapore have limited growth because they've reached the peak of their workforce utilization and efficiency. Developing countries like BRICS on the other hand have much more room to grow.

>>129561775
Have sympathy with Danes plz

We aæways suppoeted you against the EU, and now that you are leaving we wont habe any friends left...

:(

>>129578521
>Denmark is not part of the Area of freedom, security and justice.

Doesn't have anything to do with the 4 freedoms. Look it up.

>>129576682
>wahhh muhh self interest
>everyones dumb who won't appease my selfish needs

Get fucked i'll support hard brexit on principle all the way and enjoy your company collapsing you fickle pathetic noodle armed cunt.

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>>129579212

>Get fucked i'll support hard brexit

Do you really think a hard brexit is still possible after what happened last thursday?

>>129579003
https://www.retsinformation.dk/Forms/R0710.aspx?id=137179
Here you have the official danish law on the area.
You have the right as an EU citizen to stay in Denmark for 3 months. You have the right as an EU citizen to seek employment in Denmark for 6 months if you can prove that this is actually what you are doing.
If after 6 months you do not have a job then you will be forced to leave.
Why is this different than the rest of the EU? well because of the danish legal opts out.

"Denmark obtained four opt-outs from the Maastricht Treaty following the treaty's initial rejection in a 1992 referendum. The opt-outs are outlined in the Edinburgh Agreement and concern the EMU (as above), the Common Security and Defence Policy (CSDP), Justice and Home Affairs (JHA) and the citizenship of the European Union."

So although Denmark follow most and passed most of the EU laws we also sometimes change it a bit or just tweak it a little. To better serve our needs ofc.
http://www.eu.dk/da/danmark-i-eu/de-danske-forbehold

>>129560689
Can someone tell me what's going on in Britain?
A very slim majority (or even minority) for the Tories is supposed to give the backbenchers a lot of say in the Brexit process and drive the UK towards a hard Brexit.
And that seems to be happening now that May had to accept hardline Brexiteers. Yet everyone is talking about soft Brexit now. How?

>>129579871
its because May fucked up in the election and now the conservatives do not have the majority seats of parliament as a single party.
They will have to form a government with the northern Ireland conservatives to get majority.
That means that hard Brexit is not such a clear given anymore.

>>129579765
>You have the right as an EU citizen to stay in Denmark for 3 months. You have the right as an EU citizen to seek employment in Denmark for 6 months if you can prove that this is actually what you are doing.
>If after 6 months you do not have a job then you will be forced to leave.

That is what I said above. That is what it says in the EU treaties and secondary legislation here ("stay in the host country for a period long enough to look for work, apply for a job and be recruited" - which Denmark apparently has set at 6 months, which seems very generous, I think in Germany it is just 4 months - this period applies to AFTER you lost your job as well): >>129577944

Why did you not read what I posted?

>>129581471
I did
and this part:
"Jobseekers cannot be expelled if they prove that they are continuing to seek employment and have a genuine chance of finding a job."
is not true for Denmark. So as I said we follow most but not all. Some of it was push through in our parliament to stay on equal footing with the rest of the EU. That being said ALL EU legislation made after 1st December 2009 does not apply to Denmark.

>>129560689
>>129581455

>>129563156
>I don't care about race

And there's your problem.

>>129579212
>I don't give a fuck about hundreds of thousands of fellow Brits , most of them working class because I have an ideological axe to grind

Again, you haven't got a clue what I you are talking abou. At least you are not pretending to be retarded, I guess.

Btw the company I mentioned won't go under. It will simply relocate to somewhere inside EU. Contingency plans in case UK decides to go full retard are already in place.

>>129580089
But the DUP is also pro-Brexit. They just want the NI border to stay as it is now.

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>>129565566

You literally voted yourself out of that team. You shouldn't even be allowed to write in this thread. Can't wait till naughty Theresa May will block /pol/ in the british caliphate

>>129581900
I fucking love my country so god damn much.
Er du samfundsvidenskabsstuderende eller er du bare smart as fuck?

>>129585190
tidligere Jura og politisk aktiv. Old fag.

>>129578872
russianon you do know that leadership often changes in a democracy, right?

this is why your country is not considered a real democracy

>>129581900
>is not true for Denmark.
Only that it is. You do not have an opt out from that.