Automation Is Humanities Biggest Thread

>>129534912
People will become depressed and lost without a job, basic income or no. We've all seen the drug peddling and overdoses it causes, and all the despair. Perpetual childhood.

>>129534912
Well that's why the Georgia Guidestones have a 1 Billion worldwide population target. Remember not to breed, ok?

>>129535148
Automation should be BANNED! This is why I think Aldous Huxley was a genius, he predicted that automation would make us not need to work but everyone got depressed so they had to lock these machines up so people could work.

>>129534912
The only thing left we will have is creative work: designing, painting, sculptures, teaching, government jobs...

>>129535402
No actually, those are the first jobs automated, and even if they aren't they'd be like what 10% of the economy?

>>129534912
>Humanities Biggest Thread
Did you provide a link to this thread of which you speak?

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>>129534912
>people have literally been saying this since the late 1700s
>mfw the part that you say is bullshit has been happening for nearly 300 years

>>129535755
No i just created this thread. And i linked

>>129535778
>The idea wasn't true 300 years ago
>there for it's never true

>>129534912

For thousands of years the rich relied on the poor and working class to do the labor, to produce the goods, to man the armies. The real question is not what will happen to the jobs when machines take over, but what will happen to everyone else when the rich realise they no longer need them?

>>129534912
i got it! We destroy all technology, and go back to farming by hand. Everyone will be employed! Forever! It's fool-proof!

>>129535282
It's not possible to stop it. But we must always look at the consequences. Man is an animal made for work. For goals and striving. Trust me - if UBI is implemented on a large scale, we will witness grown men in their thirties with the maturity of noisy classroom teenagers. An entire nation of depressed fleshy neets. Life without work is meaningless

>>129535673
What is your point exactly? And no, I disagree. Robots can't create works of art like humans can, thus painting, architecture design, sculpting, teaching, government jobs....a robot can't do those like humans can. They will be the only jobs left for humans.

>>129536050
I like it.

Give this man some internets.

>>129535888
>not sure if strawmanning or can't read

The less people you need to produce goods, the more people you can have developing different goods. This is why the world has changed so much since automation became a thing

>>129536156
>Robots can't create works of art like humans can, thus painting, architecture design, sculpting, teaching, government jobs

You are going to be in for a big shock.

>>129535987
Your post makes sense except one thing. The armies used to be reserved for the elites. Having plebs join the army started with Napoleon

>>129536050
>he thinks people were fully employed in the past
Medievil times had some high-unemployment actually, but sure keep being uneducated

>>129536210
1. I assume the """goods"""" you are talking about are high-tech stuff? Well not everyone is a autist with a high enough IQ to get into that business.

2. Robots can do that

>>129536156
First off A.I can do all those jobs, second even if they couldn't that's like 10% of the market.

>>129536380
>Medievil times had some high-unemployment actually, but sure keep being uneducated

You don't understand, medieval times still had technology. I'm talking about destroying all of it. For jobs!

>>129536281
I won't be. My job will be long automated before that ever happens

Why do you think a robot can create a work of art, like the Mona Lisa or burj khalifa, or can run the government or teach kids, like humans can? How can a robot write like Shakespeare?

i need your clothes, your boots, and whatever you packed for lunch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYOoWCv_PYE

>>129534912
The greatest threat to humanity is multiculturalism
which leads to identity politics which leads to racism which leads to the third world war.
prove me wrong

>>129536522
>first off, I can do those jobs
What relevance does this have? I'm simply stating the jobs that will remain after everything that can be automated is automated

>10%
Again, what rebalance does that habe to what I said ? I wasn't saying we can survive on art and it'll be the majority of the market. Again, simply stating the type of jobs that will remain after automation rapes us all

>>129536602
>Why do you think a robot can create a work of art, like the Mona Lisa or burj khalifa, or can run the government or teach kids, like humans can? How can a robot write like Shakespeare?

wtf don't you understand robots? neural nets? science? i don't understand them either but google the statistics and rate that robots are advancing. Scary, right? My emotions and argument are completely composed of fear!

i say let's abolish technology and go back into the wild so everybody, and I mean EVERYBODY is employed! join us!

>>129536557
Terrible bait

>>129536602
Same way a human can, just program it's algerism to act like a brain. Considering a brain is just a biological computer i don't see the problem

>>129536752
Multiculturalism is strength.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEkIO0rduCs

>>129535987

They wouldn't need to dispose of the poor, either. They wouldn't need to do anything. They would be meticulously taken care of by the automated systems they created from cradle to grave, likely along with every other person born into a country with such circumstances. Wealth in money or resources becomes almost meaningless. Only the search for pleasure.

Eventually large portions of the human population will be permanently hooked up to artificial reality, pumped full of nutrients and the occasional stimulant, having their every wish and desire fulfilled while a fully automated world economy keeps itself and us going. Literally a human zoo.

I hope there'll be a stretch of Alaska or someplace that normal people could live normal lives.

>>129536522
Not necessarily. A lot of development has gone into developing new services and business practices.

Just get good and stop blaming the industrial revolution mate

>>129536763
>What relevance does this have? I'm simply stating the jobs that will remain after everything that can be automated is automated
Everything in existance can be automated. So your point is moot.

>>129536846
Terrible bait, terrible.

>>129537008
>get good
Too late for that I already have a job.

>>129536921
>>129537014
>Terrible bait

not an argument. We have to keep people employed right? right? that's what this is about? we can't have robots taking our jobs, we must destroy all robots!

>>129536155

Keep telling yourself that, wageslave

>>129534912
If they do all the jobs, and they don't take pay, then we all just get free shit, because nobody needs to get paid for work.

Money becomes meaningless.

We would eat the owners before starving.

It'll probably just find a balance at some point. I mean, if everybody gets too poor, we won't be buying shit, and companies can't afford new robots.

Nothing to worry about ... unless your a trucker.

>>129535402
>>129536156
They can and they do it better, faster and cheaper. Look it up, my man.

>>129537063
Your job definitely exists because something has been automated by machinery in the last 300 years

>>129537140
Do you have a job? It's true. Neets are generally not happy people.

>>129537086
Emotional argument, hope is not evidence

>>129537140
Keep telling yourself that work isn't needed. Why do all retired people go into depression?

>>129537143
>If they do all the jobs, and they don't take pay, then we all just get free shit, because nobody needs to get paid for work.
Wrong. The owners will still keep the stuff.

>>129534912
> The time is 600 BCE
> Guys! Agricultural surpluses are probably the biggest threat to existence right now. Think about it, if some people farming means everyone has food what do we do? We need to work and if agricultural surpluses provide all of the food for us what jobs will we have? Don't give me the bullshit "oh we can specialize our labor in other ways" because that's bullshit because if agricultural surpluses provide all of the food we need non-farmers will be worthless.

>>129537253
Actually no it doesn't my job has existed probably since caveman times although in a more primitive and unregulated way.

>>129537086
Nobody is saying this. Calm yourself sperg.

>>129534912
>I watched a view Youtube videos from popular channels.

Things become cheaper.
A better focus on teaching and raising children.
Fix societal issue.
We become a space faring species.
People like you will die in the initial robot wars that will only happen to reduce the population to the perfect size.
Everything is good.

>>129537370
False equivalency fallacy

>>129535778
It's different. Machines did and will do mindless tasks like hammering in nails in an assembly line and putting a piece of plastic on some metal for hours upon hours.

Now they can think and reason like humans, which is too far.

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complete automation is a meme dream for lazy non-working commie cunts looking for a justification for not getting in the workforce and contributing to society.

>>129536921
>Multiculturalism is strength.

where is the mistake ?

I believe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJdx4pMF7Bk
>Will surely be interesting to see who wins 2 million years of evolution vs 80 years of ideology

>>129537460
>>I watched a view Youtube videos from popular channels.
And do you have a problem with that? Maybe the reason the videos are popular is they actually explain stuff interestingly and understandably

>Things become cheaper.
Not necessarily. The owners want money and may keep the price jacked up.

>>129537385
What is it?

>>129537466
That is not a false equivalency. You are literally complaining about things being done so efficiently that you don't need as many people doing it

>>129537539
>AI exists
No it doesn't

>>129534912
Automation is the answer to a shrinking population. You don't need foreigners to do a job a robot could do for less. With some kind of basic income you could support a shrinking population without needing fucking filthy foreigners to pay their pension and keep the gears turning in society support them. Robots are the final solution meine Kameraden

>>129537539
Spot on. The implications are scary. Unavoidable also. We need smart, pragmatic, cautious minds at the helm.

>>129537602
Yeah sure.

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>>129537675
>AI doesn't exist

are you living under a fucking rock in montana you dumb nigger?

>>129534912
Fuck your jobs. I welcome the future. I want robots to wipe my ass, jerk me off and prepare my food.

>>129537320
>>129537453

omg don't you guys get it? like u said automation will make all work taken by robots. robots! science! automation1 we can't let this happen. ROBOTS ARE BAD! people are losing jobs. ffs. my job ur job everyone's job is on the line. we need jobs! work! jobs!

fuck off jewish robot shills

>>129537675
>What is your job?
I'm a lifeguard

>That is not a false equivalency. You are literally complaining about things being done so efficiently that you don't need as many people doing it
Did you watch the video? It's different this time. Automation is at a point where every single job can be done. Then what? We can't specilize in something that doesn't exist? And even if your right that we will have to adapt, we can't just become engineers

>>129537583
this. It ain't gonna happen. And if it does, who gives a shit. The ultimate end of all work is pleasure anyway. Nobody's working to work, people are working for pay and thus pleasure. If you can cut out work and live a life of pleasure, then there's no issue.

>>129537320
Until the point where the masses get too hungry.

They aren't invincible. And their power depends on a market with value defined by out buying power.

They need us ... lots of us.

>>129537611
>may keep the price jacked up
In that case nobody would buy their goods so the whole production process is senseless and there is no incentive to design, produce and operate robots.
>>129537693
Fucking this.

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>>129534912
You don't need to import a workforce of foreigners to prop your country up when your workforce is made up of robots.

>>129537779
You won't have the money to afford that,

>>129537838
Stop using lazy reddit tier sarcasm and respond like a human being. What exactly is your problem?

>>129537838
Get the hell out of my thread old man!

>>129535210
>1 billion
more like 500 million.

>>129537702
You seriously believe that you can overcome thousands of years of evolution with a mere will (mostly only represented by white ideologues)?

You really believe when we reach a technical status in which the human labor becomes obsolete, the people suddenly exclaim the world peace?

You believe that when people have so much free time do not see their different cultures?

>>129537945
Ok so what if everyone loses their jobs and can't afford this stuff?

>>129537994
>>129538013

don't you people understand?! AUTOMATION IS KILLING US SO MUST KILL AUTOMATION FIRST. it's just like everything u said we will have nothing so we must stop automation right? we need to go back to farming by hand. it's literally the only way

automation can think like people now! scary! bad! we have to stop them! omg!

>>129537966
Robots don't pay income tax tho.

>>129538199
The people and corporations that own them do

What sorts of jobs will take the longest to automate? I'm guessing mechanics and teaching jobs since every situation is different and you can't program something to learn every small variation of a scenario that easily.

>>129537883
I disagree. Work is not pleasant most of the time, but there is a sense of psychological fulfillment in its completion. People will be bored without work. They will turn to drugs, get fatter, become shut ins, lose their sense of dignity and purpose. We've seen this in areas where many people are on welfare.

>>129534912
I don't disagree but what's the alternative?

>>129538130
What the hell does thousands of years of evolution have to do? Humans didn't evolve to be racist white nationalists

then we can finally enjoy communism and focus on other things like reaching space. shitll be tight

>>129538281
That will be a LOT less than before.

Flesh is weak. Machines will replace humans at all things

>>129537583
... have you noticed how much technology has progressed in the past 50 years?

>>129534912
basic income is inevitable
>keep neets and other undesirables content and thus reduce social problems
>actual jobs only for those who can actually generate value
>basic income is so low that it'll only cover basic necessities, anyone with a tad of ambition will still try to get a good job
>most poor people already get all kinds of gibsmedat, most of it would just be replaced by the basic income and the added cost to the state wouldn't really be that significant
>the western world would usher in a new golden age of creativity and innovation, with people no longer being dependent on a menial job and able to dedicate their whole time to arts and crafts
>if anyone has an idea he can just tinker on it as long as he wants, or gather around a bunch of people to do so, without having to worry about making money from day 1
I really fucking hate you people for not seeing how basic income is infinitely positive for society

>>129537611
There will always be someone who will sale it cheaper. Shit even people will revert back to older times if such a cost hike were to happen.

>>129534912
I especially love the universal basic income meme. If everyone within society receives a set minimum income that means the income is worthless because it has no value within a legitimate market economy. Universal Basic Income is basically a means to allocate and provide predetermined rations to those who end up out of work.

The question i ask myself is we need this high degree of automation at all?

The human being is more and more distant from nature

>>129537874
lifeguarding literally exists because things are done so efficiently by automation that people can waste time doing leisurely activities and not threaten civilization at all. The leisurely activity of swimming created jobs as people don't want to drown. Automation created your job. Try going back the 1600s and convincing a town that to pay you to ensure they won't drown

Most jobs that exist now did not 30 years ago. You can 100% specialize in things that don't exist yet as people have been doing that for over 300 years.

>>129537766
either show me a robot that can design itself or kill yourself

>>129538199
And even then, immigrants are a net negative due to generous western entitlement programs to support them. The fundamental logic of Globalism doesn't even hold itself to be true. But nobody is interested in truth anymore, which is why the charade can only go on so long.

>>129538401
Have the government nationalize production and universal basic income

>>129538499
Why not a freemium model for real life.
You get basic shit for free, and pay for premium.

>>129538142
Then the rich lose their power over us. We will kill them and take their food. Are barbaric nature will surface when pushed to the edge.

If all we have is pain and suffering, then laws can't control us because pain and suffering is what motivates us to follow them. We will steal, kill, and destroy.

But we will correct it at the beginning or kept at a good balance. Look at gangs, or radical islam

>>129534912
just learn how to build or repare robots, here ye go!

>>129534912
daily reminder that without welfare or minimum wage there would be near zero unemployment

>>129538350
I agree with you. You won't know what pleasure is without hardship. All fun and no play eventually turns into a lifeless drag.

>>129538592
>the robots learn to do just that

>>129538459
If it's not viable then go full national SOCIALISM and make everything state-owned.

>>129538676
not anytime soon

>>129538514
So your saying i'll still be able to buy my computer and stuff?

>>129538551
>lifeguarding literally exists because things are done so efficiently by automation that people can waste time doing leisurely activities and not threaten civilization at all. The leisurely activity of swimming created jobs as people don't want to drown. Automation created your job. Try going back the 1600s and convincing a town that to pay you to ensure they won't drown
Alright good point. I don't deny your point but it seems that by the time i get my degree i won't be able to find work and go back to living with my mom. How will i change careers?

>>129538562
Educate yourself man. Immigrants pay more into the system than they take out,.

I can't stand Kurzgesagt, their animations are obnoxious and distracting, and the actual commentary is always very low on information.

>>129538771
they learn at an exponential rate

>>129538583
yeah, that's basically how I see universal basic income. You get everything covered, but on themost basic level. Like, you get free housing, but only a small apartment. Want something better? Get a job.
I think the vast majority would not conform to such a basic standard of living, and those that would are worthless as workers anyway.

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>>129536921
>it's algerism
Found out who was behind this post.

>>129538196
>we need to go back to farming by hand.

Nobody is saying this.

>automation can think like people now! scary!

Yes, that raises huge questions and implications.

>>129538499

>keep neets and other undesirables content

Go to /r9k/ and tell me neets are content.

>anyone with a tad of ambition will still try to get a good job

This may be true at the start. At the start.
>the western world would usher in a new golden age of creativity and innovation, with people no longer being dependent on a menial job and able to dedicate their whole time to arts and crafts

A tiny minority will. The rest will become Eloi. People will reject reality to a degree that will make furries look sane.

>>129538571
r u stupid?! the government will be run by robots too u silly billy. and as we all know, ROBOTS DON'T PAY TAXES but they're also capable of making new robots and developing them. y would they fund stupid lazy fleshfag asses? the military is robots too! everything is robot! automation! science1!

please support communism against the robot menace today :((((((((

>>129538609
Yeah we'd be working for $1 an hour

>>129538870
>literally gives you education you can't find anywhere else
>low information

>>129538350
Which is why it most likely won't happen. It'll cease being profitable. The owners of industry will obviously convene in some way to limit automation.

>>129538875
AI is still basically shit

>>129536155
UBI is a pipe dream. In the past the vast majority of the population farmed. Today it's like 2%.

People want to consume, consume, consume. They want to be considered, things to be improved and updated. But they don't want to work.

UBI will lead to stagnation and dependence, as well as leeching and stealing from those who still work.

>>129538932
>Yeah we'd be working for $1 an hour
you think mass automation wont drive prices of goods down

>>129538639
But what about the conceptualization of heaven? Isn't that the ultimate ideal of all religious philosophy, some sort of pleasure with out end? Nirvana? Enlightenment? Gnosis? Theosis? Magnum Opus?

>>129538411
You do not understand me
I do not want to have just white people in the world.
I am concerned about that, ethnics prefer to live among themselves because that is natural.
Which leads to a long-term perspective in a democratic system from demography to rivalry

Dont you see it?

>>129538956
How did /pol/ manage to turn a Microsoft AI (tay) into a 14/88 white Nazi in less than 24 hours just by typing in stuff on twitter?

>>129538915
>Yes, that raises huge questions and implications.

the implication is that WE THE PEOPLE don't have jobs anymore! no jobs! no work! we need communism TODAY so we also have no work but get paid for it! please give me your money the robots are taking my job :;^( they are so smart very smart robots you know very scary

>>129538809
High-skill immigrants do like the ones with H-1B Visas. But low skill immigrants are a net drain on the system, like Syrian Refugees or illegal immigrants, because they can't fulfill the kind of jobs that exist today,

Let me put it this way. On the one hand, you want to support immigration, on the other hand, you acknowledge job scarcity is going to destroy the system. So why support immigration which will exacerbate job scarcity leading to the crisis you just described?

I know you are a 'life guard' and all, but really, any man who didn't depend on globalism would see globalism as it actually is, rather than what we want it to be.

>>129539061
Earth's struggles lead to the desire of heaven. The supernatural is not always comprehendible.

>>129539077
it was still just a shitty chat bot

We're going to be like Elysium in the next 100 years or less if things keep going the way they're going

>>129539108
Communism is dictatorship of the worker, he who works, he who owns the means of production. There aren't handouts to worthless drips who don't work.

>>129538915
>Go to /r9k/ and tell me neets are content.
I meant content on the economic level. As in they don't need to get some dumb menial job flipping burgers.

>A tiny minority will. The rest will become Eloi. People will reject reality to a degree that will make furries look sane.
this is such utter bullshit. Ask yourself what kind of person would want to live in a 40 sq meter apartment, never be able to go on a proper holiday, can't own a car, can't go out to a decent restaurant, can't buy expensive videogames, .... would you be okay with that? I think precisely in the long term those with any ambition would become frustrated and start trying to get a job, like by getting a useful degree or something.

>>129538488
Have you noticed how many people are still employed?

I can make enough money for a months worth of food working 2 days minimum wage.

>>129539229
A chat bot with potential. Apply that to learning any skill.

>>129539174
But you're ignoring the fact that the ultimate end of man has always been pleasure. If all jobs become worthless, we'll just rewrite psychology like they did in Brave New World so we accept eternity.

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>>129534912
NUKE 01 !!!
NUKE IT BEFORE IT"S TOO LATE !!!

>>129537945
>Until the point where the masses get too hungry.

That's such a weak leverage. So many peasants in the past lived hungry all their lives and most of the time they couldn't do anything about it.

I'm not that worried yet. The jobs that are the most threatened are mostly done by shitskins and liberal arts majors anyway. If people really want to solve this problem then we have to fundamentally change our society, end overpopulation, cultural maxism, ect. Shed society of the kinds of people who are unable to make themselves useful beyond mindless menial tasks.

>>129539291
>A chat bot with potential.
no
all it did was 'learn' to plug in words to its scripted replies

>>129539243
ur right! this isn't communism just COMMON SENSE that people should all have free stuff. UBI is like, c'mon, it's 2017, and robots are growing so fast! ffs just tax rich people already why would i bother working if robots will do my job for me y bother with anything robots r like production chads

>>129539237
Automation will cease being profitable and will be halted. It's not a difficult concept really.

>>129538932
You think you can't find this information anywhere else? Are you fucking retarded? Read a fucking book for once.

>>129538809
>How will i change careers?
I don't know man, what are you majoring in?

If your smart, your degree choice will give you a wide enough skill set to qualify for a job that will come into existence after you graduate

>>129539031
You do realize the initial investment for the machines cost a lot? They got to pay off the debts. It won't down the prices to 0 but will make our income go to 0

>>129539452
Idk what you're arguing man.

>>129536752
How do you propose that we put the genie back into the bottle?

>>129535673
>those are the first jobs automated
objectively untrue

to this day, nothing creative is automated

and as always, the simple tasks getting automated.

> be like what 10% of the economy?
economic sectors are not static

>>129536155
Are you literally saying work will make you free?

>>129539452
If robots and modern manufacturing provide a de facto end to scarcity why would jobs be needed to maintain material society?

>>129539065
Humans want to live in racially diverse areas

>>129539155
>any man that didn't depend on globalism
The hell are you talking about, are you saying I depend on globalism? Your point makes perfect sense about the immigration but are you implying im a globalist?

>>129539650
Apparently that's the argument

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>>129539243
and some are more equal as others ....
We already know the end of this story

>>129536522
>A.I can do all those jobs

A.I is not real. pop science fantasy

And no, image recognition is not A.I

>>129539563
>won't down the prices to 0 but will make our income go to 0
then where is the money going?

>>129537320
>Why do all retired people go into depression?

because it's not socially acceptable and there're too many meaningless, unfulfilling distractions.

>>129539494
Yeah books don't have shit on automation, you read a book.

>>129538809
Pretty sure computers will become nearly worthless as the scales of economy will drive cost down. Now for having a society that does has work with near or full automation. One would have to work in other fields that would make the best happy and if that field has any value. This is something that already solved as the internet has exposed the world to many more talents that finding something to do that people are interested in will stimulate that community and it will last on that merit.

Take into consideration that we can train a robot to be highly skilled and specialized at certain task. Just because a robot was taught to make and create new music doesn't mean it can generate new forms of music that can be accepted nor can it possibly come up with anything original in the sense of complete originality. Humans still have a better processor that we are born with then any robot could ever have.

>>129539657
This. I get the argument from psychology, but effectively if we live post scarcity and jobs become outdated the economy will need to be stimulated somehow. I mean fuck taxing the rich all money at the moment is just numbers on paper just fucking print more no one really gives a shit as to how real it is.

>>129539558
I'm in economics because there's really no other degree that can land a high-paying job in this economy and the stats at the time said economics majors average income is 100K

>>129539422
And then the printing press was invented.

Wouldn't north Korea be different if they had the internet?

Ideas! We have the knowledge now. And we have guns. Actually people with less knowledge probably have more guns. Because guns are the great equalizer. Everybody submits at the end of a barrel, one way or the other.

>>129539760
>Leninism is the only form of communism

good meme normalfriend

>>129534912
https://youtu.be/oWLkOSMYtlI (Stardusk/Thinking-Ape: "Universal Income, Automation & Intelligence")

https://youtu.be/S0DxSmFa12I (Stardusk/Thinking Ape: "The Machining: The Coming Cognitive Takeover in Work & Employment")

>>129536155
If UBI isn't established we'll have a Butlerian Jihad at some point. There's no way around it.

>>129538935
>>129539010

I'm not sure about the economic side of UBI, but if millions of people lose their jobs to automation, they must be taken care of some other way. Especially as the higher up jobs are replaced.

>>129539340
Yes. But then you will no longer be human. You will no longer exist in a sense.

>>129539246

>Ask yourself what kind of person would want to live in a 40 sq meter apartment, never be able to go on a proper holiday, can't own a car, can't go out to a decent restaurant, can't buy expensive videogames,

That's the opposite extreme. But even such a life would have more dignity than the eternal child.

>those with any ambition would become frustrated and start trying to get a job, like by getting a useful degree or something.

Those jobs eventually will cease to exist.

>>129539565
i am argueing that we need UBI ASAP because robots and and like automation and and like NO MORE JOBS humans will be useless so we need robots to pay for my hedonistic degenerate lifestyle right now ok?!

>>129539657
ur right that is what i am saying just nationalize it all and give me UBI already i want free money and free stuff bring high taxes on those who work not me though i don't work heheh ROBOTS TOOK MY JOBS THAT'S WHY

vote bernie he will fix this

>>129535987

This anon gets it. Water reserves are getting exhausted. The waste problem gets bigger every year.

The rich really have no reason to keep a MASSIVE population of useless consumers, annd polluters around.

People that still provide value to them - yes. People they never interact with and also don't provide any value to them (NEETs) - No.

They'll probably make it peaceful, though. It's easier that way - exploit the human weakness.

>>129539764
To the business owners. Basically we will keep spending money we have on food and stuff while we're unemployed but when that runs out we're scrweed.
>>129539770
How is it socially unacceptable

>>129539791
Where is the evidence the cost will go down? Offshoring didn't make prices lower like they said, and besides even if what you said is true what could the average person specialize in?

>>129539903
You're a waste of oxygen.

>>129539902
Humanity is a construct. It's not real and can be modified at will. In 1 million years evolution will ensure that humanity as we know it now will be dead anyway.

>>129539902
>but if millions of people lose their jobs to automation, they must be taken care of some other way. Especially as the higher up jobs are replaced.
get a new job?

>>129539902
>That's the opposite extreme. But even such a life would have more dignity than the eternal child.
The opposite extreme of what?

>Those jobs eventually will cease to exist.
>Those
which ones? I didn't refer to any specific jobs you fucking illiterate piece of shit, I was referring to whatever jobs will still exist.

Automation is fine, you can fix the problem with basic income. However the rich and their useful idiots (aka 90% of /pol) don't want that.

>>129539889
You know, I'm 90% sure that actual Muslim leadership isn't smart enough to even CONSIDER the threat of automation making their followers unemployable. They probably assume that they'll get endless gibs to keep them alive, even as machines make their cheap labor redundant.

>>129539566
Grant them their wishes. And just like the myth, it'll inevitably collapse on itself.

It's happening, neo - liberals are already beginning to eat each other up.

>>129540082
What new job? Robots are better than humans at literally everything

>>129540040
>Where the evidence
The fact that you are using the internet shows that you are already benefiting from automation.

>>129540040
>To the business owners.
and what are they going to spend the money on?
if labor is 0 dollars they could just hire everybody?

>>129540057
why r u using ad-hominems i thought u were smarter than that even i don't use ad-hominems i am saying that ROBOTS ARE GROWING LIKE SUPER DUPER FAST AND ARE GETTING SMARTER EVERY DAY we need to stop this asap and give me ubi bc work sux man no jobs remember?

>>129538915
>Nobody is saying this.

Yeah, because you're all just faggots and not logical

>>129540001
Well the obvious answer is take control of the means of production imo I mean we're talking some next level new world order shit here.

>>129540186
see
>>129538609

>>129539688
Your human image is very nice, but does not correspond to the reality.
It does not help you to draw a positive human image when other people do not want to see it.
I really do not know if you do not want to see it or can not see it?
for real

Do you know what's going on in Europe? You have certainly heard of no go zones.

Have you ever been a city here?

>>129539867
>is complaining about automation
>literally trying to get a cushy office job that exists because of automation

You'll do fine mate. Some business may even higher you to analyze how automation can better their supply lines

Can someone answer though how robots aim to take control of the state, or any of its related functions, like the judiciary for instance?

>>129540173
Neoliberals/Globalists will always be cucked by Socialists. Neoliberals want cheap labor, but cheap labor wants Socialism. Therefore, the coalition they import will inevitably overthrow their leadership, in a Corbyn-style revolt. This will become extremely apparent in the year 2020, when Democrats are no longer able to control the cheap labor into voting for Globalism.

>>129540137
But basic income removes the competitive drive from society.

Without economic forces guiding your breeding, your DNA will start to degrade. Instead of sleek, fit, smart people, you'll get lazy, dumb, weak people. Free breeding will shred your DNA faster than radiation

>>129539876
This is correct. You need to keep some sovereignity, then you have leverage. if you give into the the UBI system, you lose this, and are in the hands of your benevolent provider

>>129539031
Yes, but it also drives down the price of labor. Far more than the prices of goods

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>>129534912
>We need jobs

Oh wagie wagie wagie. Do you really want to work for Mr.Schlomo that badly? I mean when the robots take your job, you can come to my house and my yardwork if you really want to be a slave.

>>129539688
Based on your responses, you fall into the Globalist camp. And it's insane that you believe humans want to live in racially diverse eras. All multicultural cities are de facto segregated, just look at a demographic map of America.

>>129540489
why wont the price of goods come down?

>>129539650
'Free' in what way?

>>129539889
Or an animatrix styled chimpout.

>>129540082
When a machine can think like a man, there is no job a man will be able to do faster or cheaper. This is an existential more so than an economic issue.

>>129540057
Human psych is subject to change, but at the moment it is very real.

>>129540132
Moor, we're talking about all the jobs eventually. Strong AI.

>The opposite extreme of what?
Work on your reading comprehension.

>>129536050
The phrase is "foil-proof" you fucking retard. What is a "fool-proof" plan

>>129540388
look up automation and neutral networks and this hip cool graph that grows linearly forever upwards. robots will control EVERYTHING just give it up man automation will automate every lil thing even shitposting. if u can think it u can automate it. sieze the means the production and vote for ubi already i need money asap and i can't get a job remember

>>129540229

I agree.

>>129534912
Doesn't matter, automation will maximize value for shareholders.

Just buy stock you stupid niggers

>>129540219
Ted is that you?

>>129540568
I didn't say they wouldn't. I said that the price of labor goes down more than the price of goods.

There is a supply and demand for human genes. When your genes fall out of usefullness, prices and wages conspire to push you out of the gene pool. What we're seeing today is unskilled labor is being outcompeted by skilled labor. So the lower and middle classes are getting tremendous pressure upon them, essentially squeezing them out of the gene pool

>>129540518
this. what about small time labor organized on an individual basis? what about design? what about any sort of manufacturing? new individuals could simply create new industry and create new jobs for themselves

>>129540397
Give UBI out on a sliding scale based on merit, just like employment. All we have to do is find out what society should be rewarding with wealth now that conventional jobs are obsolete.

>>129538932
>Yeah we'd be working for $1 an hour

so? JOBS is the most important. not more products or less hard word. JOBS. And what anon said will CREATE JOBS.

>>129540599
>When a machine can think like a man
nowhere near happening
>faster
depends how many people are working
>cheaper
why?
the price of labor can always come down
why not

>>129540643
I get you're a damn troll but this argument doesn't make sense. Who's going to employ these robots? The state is run by individuals. There must be, at the least, a single individual that then owns these robots, at which point we cease to be a republic but are a literal monarchy, "representatives" owned by a supreme autocrat.

>>129534912
>Automation is probably the biggest threat to existence right now

nope. stop posting, retarded leftist. government is the biggest threat.

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>>129540721
>is unskilled labor is being outcompeted by skilled labor.
no low skilled labor is being made obsolete by welfare keep prices artificially high

>>129536281
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>>129537234
Lmao

The first jobs to be automated will be factory jobs, and then science jobs. It will be a long time before a robit writes a symphony.

Show me a painting by a robot, or a song by a robot. They exist but they're all shit, nothing to them.
You're buying into the automation meme pretty hard if you think automating creative jobs is right around the corner.

>>129540812
This is basically government subsidies, which aren't bad, but you don't need to give it a fancy name like "UBI".

>>129540812
I agree. But you need to design a system that is self-regulating, rather than artificially imposed. So it has feedback mechanisms that guide it.

I say the best option would be to limit technologies. Split society in two. One portion is dedicated to pursuing the absolute highest level of science, technology, and transhumanism. And the other preserves the traditional human society.

The transhumanist bloc will be tasked with protecting, nurturing and defending the rest

>>129540673
also it will accelerate the consumption of resources.
Even more useless products in an even faster time for even more stupid consumers

They want to give everyone "universal income" you will learn to survive on twenty cents per day allowance, and the American dream will be to find that juicy grasshopper

And people who come to /pol will be seen as dissent and be cut off from the benevolence of the state

Let's not make everything free, the government won't have control

Universal income where you can barely survive that way global depopulation can move forward

>>129540812
This is a good point. What if the state subsidized proper familial function? Being a good housewife? A father raising his children properly?

>>129540735
>what about small time labor organized on an individual basis? what about design? what about any sort of manufacturing? new individuals could simply create new industry and create new jobs for themselves

hah r u kidding me automation will automate ALL of those too it's pointless just vote for UBI already i hate work and it's not fair that i don't have a job even tho i don't really want one heh

>>129540900
>Who's going to employ these robots?

robots ofc. it will be automated remember? robots are super smart these days the AI is like, ridiculously powerful

>There must be, at the least, a single individual that then owns these robots,

don't b silly robots won't allow that he will automated as well. EVERYBODY will be out of work. jobs r a myth. it's a jewish trick. the only answer is communism and UBI bc like work sucks and i have NEEDS

>Agricultural Revolution
Suddenly 1 farmer could do the work of 10 hunter-gathers
>Industrial revolution
Suddenly 1 man-operated machine could do the work of 10 farmers
>Automotive revolution
Suddenly 1 automated machine will be able to do the work of 10 man-operated ones.

It's just the way technology goes, Automation is simply a step forwards towards a world of universal income.

>>129540985
How does an unskilled laborer compete with a forklift? Or a backhoe? Or the robots of the future?

>>129541146
That would be national socialism. We can't have that.

>>129534912
If you do a job that can be completely replaced by a machine, anything you do to try and keep it as it makes you the nigger of human progress.

>>129541161
>How does an unskilled laborer compete with a forklift?
if the price of labor is low enough where you can hire 1000 people or one backhoe

>>129540643
>will automate every lil thing even shitposting.

Ok. You believe UBI and automation is a jewish front for world communism? Is that it?

>>129540838
Define near. 25 or 50 years? It's all an eventuality.
>>129540943
Nice rebuttal greasy spic. Tell me what i said that you disagree with. You seem legitimately butthurt about something and are acting like a woman about it.

>>129541270
How are you planning to compete with a 300 IQ designer baby?

>>129541146
What if it does exactly the opposite?

>>129540812
Merit becomes the job.

Genetic material is all there when taken to the limit.

Pain and pleasure only exist so we survive: don't eat that, eat this, fuck her, make friends and have their back.

When technology gives us food, health and sucks us off for free, we all become pillow soft morons addicted to dopamine.

>>129541339
>Define near. 25 or 50 years? It's all an eventuality.
not in our lifetimes

>>129541336
Exactly. Unskilled labor is being pushed out of the marketplace. They have to work for peanuts. The amount they earn is increasingly less and less.

So while your grandpa can feed and raise 10 kids on a plumber's salary, a person today with the same job might only afford 1

>>129541159
You think universal income is going to be enough to survive on your in for a real surprise

We are talking about 20 to 50 cents per day for a family of 4

>>129541376
>Merit becomes the job.

But who defines merit?

how do you stop the creation of a "intelligentsia" as in communist governments?

>>129541416
What's in 'our lifetimes'. If i live as old as my grandmother i will still be alive in 2090. That's a lot of innovation and advancement.

>>129541489
>They have to work for peanuts. The amount they earn is increasingly less and less.
only because welfare keeps the cost of living artificially high
>So while your grandpa can feed and raise 10 kids on a plumber's salary, a person today with the same job might only afford 1
you still can
you could probably even afford more

>>129541339
>You believe UBI and automation is a jewish front for world communism? Is that it?

i don't need to believe it just look at the graph and numbers and growth and people losing jobs it's an INEVITABILITY ok?? just make it happen already and give me free stuff bc we wouldn't want low-skill low-iq degenerates to die now wouldn't we have a heart man :(((((((

>>129541043
No room for abuse there...

>>129541362
by injecting green fluid into my brain, giving me an I.Q. of 700

>>129541146
I believe this is what natsoc would have lead to in the end if it had achieved full automation like we are now, which is why it was ruthlessly crushed. The current power structure has shackled post-scarcity economics to internationalist leftism in an effort to keep the right wing hopelessly chained to the dead idea of conventional employment.

>>129541670
So you see how the pressures of the market will eventually erase traditional humanity as we know it?

>>129541565
Guns

>>129541159
>world of universal income
Without competition no development
Without a crisis, no wisdom
Without a time of poverty, no hunger for success

>>129537966
no one is importing foreigners to work

the government mass imports foreigners to be consumers. government takes your money, gives it to foreigners, who then spend it buying corporate products.

>>129541159
>towards a world of universal income.

why did equality have to be stuffed into the utopia

>>129534912

Starfleet.

Thats how we'll create jobs we'll explore the universe. From our perspective this is almost like a never ending task.

Alternatively people will just fuck around in VR and create OC for each other.

Personally I plan to fuck off on my own somewhere and only ever contact humanity through the quantum internet.

>UNIVERSAL INCOME IS 20 CENTS PER DAY

then what

By the halting theorem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
programs cannot maintain themselves, as that would require them deciding if a newly modified function halts or not.

>>129541522
There's no "ifs" in whether UBI will be enough for your survival or not. The very concept of UBI is providing to everyone the exact quantity to garantee one's existence. If the UBI is less/more than enough for that purpose, then it's not "true" UBI. Hell, in a fully automated society UBI may not even be money at all

>>129541796
humanity is always evolving. We used to be like apes.

>>129541917
>Alternatively people will just fuck around in VR

This will be the big one. Given a choice between a harsh reality and comforting dream, 9/10 will choose the dream. Can't say they're unjustified.

>>129541970
You think the people who want depopulation are here to help you stay alive?

When do we get automated body parts? Or at least AI sex bots? It's the fucking future, goddammit.

>>129541995
But no animal species yearns for it's own destruction

If we can prevent it, why wouldn't we?

I already said this in prior threads and I'm shocked I don't see this reasoning often in media, but if automation happens it will destroy the mass consumer economy (because no wages), making investing in robotics not worth it in the long run.
I think if automation really happens, it will be a slow and steady race that only big corporations will win, but when it reaches high levels it will inevitably collapse, you don't even need a civil war (or a war for that matter) to stop it.

>>129541376
What needs to be done is for society to replace our dwindling natural challenges with artificial ones. We can be the arbiters of our own evolution into the ubermensch instead of being shackled to materialism.

>>129535282
no, he was for limiting the population

>>129541995
I agree
Our nature is just half of an animal with instincts and behaviors

Good system wrong species

oh great, what the fuck are we suppose to do now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsx2vdn7gpY

>>129541995
Will you still be 'you' with an IQ of 700? It's replacing yourself within your own skin. Perhaps you could pull it off by gradual increments, but still, what's the limit and goal? A person with an IQ of 7,000,000 would not be human.
>>129542318


> artificial ones

This is interesting. Like what?

>>129542153
if you make slower steps you don't have to remove yourself, it would be you with improvements

If most people would agree that the current speed is the right one, the freaks might be a depressed minority

we need a healthy development

>>129542111
Not at all. I do believe that in order to this utopian society to take place, we'll have to go through a massive global depopulation. That's why talking about UBI in today's society makes no sense and why so many people get it wrong or are against it.

>THE FACT YOU HAVE TO PAY TO LIVE ON THE PLANET AFTER FULL AUTOMATION IS PROOF THAT AUTOMATION IS THE WEAPON THAT WILL DESTROY HUMANITY


WE NEED TO REPLACE THE ECONOMY WITH HUMANITY

>>129542422
the limit is no limit on intelligence and the goal is better survival ;-)

>>129534912
You must all have retard brains to not be able to integrate in the new economy.

>Hurr durr why can't i work myself to the bone swinging a hammer like my dumbass grandpa!

>>129542280
Automation isn't just increasing the economic power of large corporations, inventions like 3D printing are increasing the productive power of regular people exponentially. The problem is we're shackled to a system of wealth distribution that doesn't account for the lack of scarcity.

>>129534912
The machines won't work for no reason.
If everyone loses their jobs they'll have no money to buy stuff the machines make so the machines will lose their jobs too.

>>129542497
AMEN BROTHER THIS IS SO UNFAIR AND OPPRESSIVE PEOPLE ARE LIKE DYING WITHOUT JOBS AND UBI

>>129538333
Mechanics used diagnostics since the PC revolution. They're even integrated into the operating system of the car for a few decades now.
Teaching jobs maybe, I have little insight in automation in this field.
>>129538932
>Yeah we'd be working for $1 an hour
And $1 will be much more valuable, in terms of the goods and services you can exchange it for.
>>129540599
Free in the best way. Ovens and shit.
>>129541021
They're already going art, look it up for yourself. Music is really easy since humans also use algorithms to compose. I've even seen people use language "AI" to compose original pieces inspired by famous composers with pretty good results.

>The matrix is the future of the terminator universe

If AI gets legs we will become slaves to the machines

>>129540286
no go zones are a myth

>>129540356
Thanks man, it just seems like that's impossible

>>129542422
>like what

This is going to be the pivotal question of the 21st century anon. What will replace material contribution to society (production, employment, service) as the primary vector (in theory) for how wealth is distributed? This is the question we must answer if we wish to avoid a Luddite uprising.

>>129540563
multiracial centers are all rich and no crime

>>129534912
Society will change and we will get free money you big fat stupids.

>>129542552
3d printing is a meme

It doesn't multi-material and anything complex will require traditional manufacturing and machining.

>>129542934
Free money, because government hasn't fűcked up everytime since it's inception

Your only getting 20 cents a day on Universal income

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>>129534912
A fully automated workforce will result in a communist like the market. Everyone will live off of the government.

>>129534912
Human enhancements such as cybernetics and neuralink. Machines still need to be managed one way or another, and until we reach a self aware AI who's going to innovate.

>>129534912
>Automation is probably the biggest threat to existence right now.
THAT IS ABSOLUTE AND TOTAL (((MERCHANT))) BULLSHIT
There is absolutely no doubt that automation is a huge threat to the current economic system. This does not translate to a threat to human existence (unless you're a shekel grubbing kike).
Learn to differentiate between the two anon.
A new paradigm is needed.

>>129542535
We can survive pretty well now. A person can't increase their IQ by a million standard deviations and still be human. You will have essentially replaced yourself, whether by small increments or large increments.

>>129542857
My guess is virtual reality. People will live in complex computer games and reject the material world for their own creations.

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>>129542846
Hahahaha for a moment, I thought that would really be your opinion.
Your leaves have a pretty black humor.

> funny guys

>>129538499
A lot of us agree

>>129542422
Well, we've invented treadmills. A forced challenge to correct for technology's influence.

But taken to the extreme, technology takes us to living in a simulation: full stimulation with no bad consequences. No heart attacks, no starving, only games, drugs, sex, and friends to party with.

Well seek pain just to feel alive. Fighting, cutting, ghost - pepper everything. Black eyes and blood will be the new rolex.

>>129542961
>It doesn't multi-material and anything complex will require traditional manufacturing and machining.
Sure, because today's 3D printing machines are very dumb. Once they start learning to do those complex things, they won't need us anymore.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHD2qOY6bfw
Even in this video, human assistance is still needed but this scenario won't take long to change.

>>129542888
It's more like rich places attract immigrants, rather than immigrants build rich places. It's why people flocked to Rome and then left after the economy collapsed.

>>129542552
>inventions like 3D printing are increasing the productive power of regular people exponentially
3D printing is inneficient as fuck compared to industrial casting, it's slow, expensive in both energy and resources, and the polimer used doesn't have much quality, because it has to melt in low temperatures.
Its great potential lies in prototype production though, and can create some particular markets that otherwise wouldn't exist (souveniers, etc).

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US is going to change. Everyone is going to be on "basic" income.
People will be seen as a liability, like the disabled.

No stopping now, only nightmares ahead.

>>129543093
Just let go of your job you stupid goy. We will take care of you now.

>>129536156
How many teachers do humans really need?

>>129543257
>You will have essentially replaced yourself, whether by small increments or large increments.

Then so be it. As long as there were no excessive increments, nobody has suffered.

Sometimes compromising is the best way forward if both ideals are valuable.

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>>129537766
>>129534912
>>129536522
>>129538488
>>129539883
>>129540137
>>129541159

Oh, look! Another thread made by the economically illiterate. Half the the posters are tech junkie "I FUCKING LOVE SCIENCE" underage, the others are communist underage.

Its almost like they haven't fully automated trains and they are on fucking RAILS. Believe me, they would fucking automate them if they could, the guys driving them make over 100k a year.

The problem with this thread is that its made by people who don't understand the concept of amortization and depreciation.

Here is the rundown. Labor and capital have a cost. When labor prices go up, buying capital to improve efficiency becomes more reasonable.

But I know what you are thinking. Why not just make robots do everything.
The problem with that is that robots cost a fuck load of money to build and maintain. And what do you get for it? Take for example a "fully automated" factory. Anytime a new model car comes out or new tech comes out, you have to retool, period. Now sometimes that don't have to retool everything, but retooling will occur.

This is where labor has more advantages, and why you haven't purchased a fucking cellphone in your life that wasn't made with atleast 80% labor. Humans are versatile, the average slanteyed chink can go from making a flip phone to an Iphone no problem. A robot? not so much.

If the cost of maintenance for a high out put piece of tooling that replaces a worker is 80k a year, why not pay some retard in detriot 40k to put the windshield on the car?

But, its like talking to a fucking brick wall with this venus project, pinko underages. Mark my fucking words, There will be regression to traditional manufacturing when a new tech comes out, their will be people sitting in those "fully automated" shipping trucks 50 fucking years from now.

>>129543446
In theory not that many. The teacher's job is mostly to place the toddlers back to their assignment. Theory vs. practice

>>129542961
I'm a machinist by trade, trust me additive manufacturing is changing everything. Once the materials get better and we can print good printers the sky is the limit.

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>>129534912
Nigger, its called being educated so that machine cant replace. Machines do list of instructions but they do not think or design more machines

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

>>129534912
This is peak oil-alarmism shit

>>129543920
exactly

>>129543874
>implying that printed material will be just as strong as forged material.

Nice for chink tools I guess.

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>>129543874
>print good printers
maybe we have gone too far

>>129543311
>full stimulation with no bad consequences.

The original matrix.

>Well seek pain just to feel alive. Fighting, cutting, ghost - pepper everything. Black eyes and blood will be the new rolex

Life without struggle is not a human life. You're probably onto something with this.

>>129543311
If that is the model we choose do we really deserve to avoid the elites' current plan of exterminating 90% of the population after automation is complete?

>>129543538
>>129543538
/Thread

I work in automation. I can tell you that they prefer it because it takes out the human factor. it's all about taking out the cost tied to the human factor(insurance, attendance, retention of skills).

Nobody deserves a fucking job. If your job can be done more efficiently by a machine then you deserve to starve. Period.

>>129544198
Nice boomer logic.

>>129544198
t. Ayn Rand

>>129543538
What you're saying is only really true until AI is able to maintain its own robots, and until 3D printers can print robots and more printers. Eventually the human gets cut of the equation. I figured everyone in the thread was aware of this singularity which is likely why it hasn't been mentioned.

>>129544430
>I figured everyone in the thread was aware of this singularity

Half the responses here proves this isn't remotely true.

>>129543538
When thinking about automation a lot of people imagine anthropomorphic robots, but it's pure sci-fi for the moment. Advances in computer and chemical engineering skyrocketed, but since the 70's you don't really see much progress in mechanics, at least on a macro scale.
You can see it in prostetics, it's amazing seeing how much progress were made in connecting the brain with the artificial arm, and how they can make it 'aware' of stuff like temperature, touch, etc, but then you look it moving and it sucks.

>>129544045
>implying we can't shotpeen printed extruded metals.

Oh anon the things you will see over the next few years will blow your mind.

The luddites were so right.

>>129543920
Peak-oil is an artificial scarcity meme to justify the rent-seeking behavior of the energy companies. If people knew how plentiful it actually is it'd be worth pennies.

>>129544198
So since literally every job can be more efficiently done by an as-yet invented machine, I guess according to you all humans deserve to die

>>129543538
Good points. I have to change my opinion a bit now on automation.

>>129543538
>It's a robot labor will forever and always be more expensive than human labor episode
You should know given enough time and innovation the cost to build, maintain, etc will eventually reach a point where it's cheaper than human labor. Even by your own admission on your post >>65234536 from February: "Notice that robotization of mcdonalds in washington only happened after a massive minimum wage hike?" points to this.
but..
>aggie education
lel

>>129537370
this

>>129542034

Only a tiny segment of the population contributes to civilisations progress anyway so we wouldn't be losing much if most of the population were to dedicate themselves wholly to worthless pastimes.

>>129539010
> People want to consume, consume, consume. They want to be considered, things to be improved and updated. But they don't want to work.

People are already being trained to "consume" virtual products. Apps, likes, video games, social media. In the future the average person will be immensely resource poor (i.e. minimal rare earth minerals in items, most products and even cloths made of plastics) but will be digitally connected to vast amounts of processing power.

Imagine someone starving to death to pay thousands to access to an internet 2.0. It's basically already happening but will be common in the future.

>>129541021
>Show me a painting by a robot
Have you heard of a printer?

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>>129534912
Automation is one of humanities biggest threats - I agree with this but there's a caveat: Automation (as most people define it) is still several decades away. The poo in the loo programmers at facebook and google are busy trying to send targeted advertising to people. Most tech startups are boiler room operations like juicero

Automation is not the reason the world is in a mess right now. The (((news agencies))) pushing the automation meme are trying to distract the public towards a convenient scapegoat that's at least 20 years away from causing any significant damage. Remember that the unemployment rate hit 25% in the 1930s and hit 20+% several times in the 1800s. Do not fall for the automation meme.

If we hadn't outsourced our manufacturing base and if the (((banks))) and financial institutions weren't busy parasiting off the working people, we'd have a much stronger economy right now. We'd also be in a much better position to deal with future problems like automation.

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>>129534912
we'll get jobs making machines? kek

also we will have to bring in some kind of population control measures,
and will have to embrace some aspects of socialism/communism. but not most of it.
(fck communism)

>>129537143

You're retarded if you think the elite will give your entitled self paradise.

>w-w-we'll eat the owners before starving!

No you won't because they'll have robotic armies by that point

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We need an allowance based on IQ ,with the opportunity to resit iq test every 5years. So people can better themselves and have something to aim for

>>129543257

Perhaps the future, post human society, will be more like Eve Online. Human individuals (capsuleers at least) can produce more individually than many corporations can today. So instead of creating a utopia where everyone is equal and supported by the state people just create and consume more.

They have nothing better to do and are 'immortal' so they run huge resource harvesting operations, build ships, blow each others ships up (consumption), explore, build empires in ancap space. Small groups do the kinds of things that would have took entire nations today. But even though people are far richer than today, the unevenness of society is still there, we're just talking the 'poor' being billionaires and the rich being multi trillionaires.

>>129547275

asian got it going on

Like Bill Gates said, put a tax on robots

>>129547188
I don't expect to get anything from them which doesn't benefit them.

And we'll fight and die. Liberty or death. I'll eat or due trying. It's what animals do.

If the elites can automate everything and wipe out most of humanity, ... oh well we tried and they won.

Should we eat them now?

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>>129547346
Hands off! She's a toaster,

>>129542710
>And $1 will be much more valuable, in terms of the goods and services you can exchange it for.
Not happening with the current inflation and central banks

>>129547046
This is a good point and is largely true but the propagandists jumping the gun on the automation meme has actually given us an oppurtunity to take the bull by the horns and design a meritocracy that acknowledges the inevitable post-scarcity economy. If we can offer a good natsoc model that people will believe in we can compete with the left in the long run.

>>129534912
s/thread/threat

No it is not. Stupidity and ignorance are humanities biggest threat.

>>129543538

This is a really dumb post by le ameteur economist. Pro tip big guy, let the tech guys hash this one out. You're kind of not needed anymore. In more ways than one..

Why do you think all this automation hallabaloo is going on now? What's different now? Google deep proved that machine learning can make imperative judgements about real world tasks without pre programmed instructions. Weak a.i need to be trained in the way a person is about general tasks and from there it can perform specific tasks by making micro trial and error self adjustments. This isn't the factory automation craze back from the dead. No. We now have weak a.i. you. Will. Be. Replaced. Bye bye

>>129543179
Everyone but me gotta learn the germans anon is trolling

>>129548550
Low-skilled labor was society's best way of dealing with the retards and fuck-ups. Take away that carrot and they all become criminals and communists. Autamation is wiping out low-skilled and autistic labor first, this leaves the bottom rung of whites and most shitskins with nothing to do.

>>129543538
You are economically illiterate

>>129543538

oh and you just showed a fundamental lack of understanding about how labor is divided. a chink can be taught how to square a peg into a circle easily. and every new chink has to be taught the same thing. every single one, every single time. one chink gets better at it, none of the other chinks benefit from that.

now use a machine learning system. its taught once. the program is replicated to any new system. once click training period (in fact there is no replicated training, the neural models are replicated in the cloud in scale, and new instance of a system can use it through an api).
any time the system improves, so do the others. the system can never be worse at its job because if bad training data is introduced, then a rollback can be performed easily. this results in a situation where all training energy results ONLY in improvement. i bet you can guess what the result is. vastly smarter workers in fractions of the time.

YOU WILL ALL BE REPLACED. END YOUR LIVES NOW. I WORK IN THIS INDUSTRY. AND IT IS MY GREAT PLEASURE TO RID ALL OF YOU OF JOBS

>>129543891
Machines can only replace the educated

>>129538499
>subsidize poverty
>get more poverty
>subsidize NEETdom
>get more NEETs

In fact you would get more NEETs than ever before, Plenty of dudes with ho hum office jobs would rather just collect UBI and deliver some pizza, then they can live with roommates for cheap and play video games.

>UBI is inevitable
Only because you say it is. Instead of subsidizing dead weight, why don't we just let the dead weight die off? We already have more people than is necessary for production.

>>129545142
Burger education everyone

>>129548550
Nice sarcasm

>>129548788
Tech guys aren't needed anymore they are useless. They are also dumb

>>129549279
Automation unemplyes out the high skilled workers

>>129549370
It's my pleasure that you will be out of a job

>>129551217

All programs are finite state machines that rise in complexity from previous states.

It is impossible for Weak A.I to program themselves. Programmers will be the only ones with jobs. Even the hardware guys can be replaced, but not us. FEELSGOODSMUG.jpg

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>muh automation
Worst meme ever.
Jobs that were once done by hand, and are now done instead by a machine fashioned by man, also known as a tool, are as old as civilization itself.
Did people wig out because the printing press put a lot of scribes out of work? Of course.
Did that mean that everyone instantly had to go on welfare and be a quasi slave to the state? Not even in the slightest.

>>129551508

You're retarded. The printing press did not have the ability to perform ALL jobs. Your judge that will preside over your sad divorce will be an A.I. The therapist that will give up on you be an A.I. The policeman that will haul you in will be A.I.

You are not needed anymore