FREE YOUR MIND

>>129525647
interesting watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OTVE5iPMKLg

>>129525647
Spiders are not human.

I don't drink caffeine unless I really need it. I consider people who "need their morning coffee" to be untermensch incapable of motivating themselves.

>>129526489
fuck you spider hating bigot

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FREE YOUR MOMMY

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>>129525647
I want me some Chloral Hydrate.

>>129525647
1. Spiders are not humans, nor even mammals, their physiology is totally different. Show data on mice, monkeys, apes etc.

2. What was the dosage. Dosage is everything. Table salt is toxic at a certain level. Drink a couple gallons of distilled water in a short period of time and you can die. Nutmeg will make you hallucinate if you eat enough of it. Without mentioning the dosage there is no point.

Anything is toxic above a certain dosage.

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>>129525647
wtf is chloral hydrate and where can I get sum

People have been drinking tea and coffee for thousands of years.

>>129525647
I dont have the brain of a spider though...its sort of a massive difference...

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>>129525647
Caffeine is poisonous to many different types of insects and arachnids

>>129525647
>if you use chloral on a spider it will be sleepy

Then why is the clown dead and all of sec is covered in webs?

>>129525647

I stopped drinking coffee 2 weeks ago. Damn, had a headache for a week straight. Now No problems but don't feel much different. At least I don't have to buy it anymore. Probably will not go back. Now if I can only kick this niccotine habit

>>129526687
I never squash spiders. too beneficial

>>129527069
Niggers and Aztecs were drinking it. Look at their civilization now.

>>129527508
find a place to use a sauna and start jogging every morning. Youll thank me later

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

>>129526489

It's the same principle. Caffeine prevents one from functioning normally.

Why do you drink it every day? You're addicted. Are you weak? Wake up.

>ITT caffeine addicts rationalizing their crutch

>>129527582
Same. I have arachnophobia and hate spiders, but I always set them free outside and let them live. I hope that they'll recognize my kindness, and repay me by taking care of all the bugs in my apartment.

>>129527642
the English drank tea and now look at them

>>129525647
Spiders get drunk off of caffeine.

The more cofeve i'm drink , the better my Spidey Sense.

>>129528204
>>129526489
>It's the same principle.

In what way is it the same principle? Spiders literally have a different biological system to process chemicals than humans do. This speaks to nothing as per the doses the spiders were receiving.

>>129527934
What's the sauna do for you? I've been in them before but they were just uncomfortable

>>129527069

>no direct evidence has been found indicating where in Africa coffee grew or who among the native populations might have used it as a stimulant or even known about it, earlier than the 17th century.[6]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coffee#History

>>129527256

kek, this
>>129527069

people have been drinking tea for thousands of years, but not like this, every day addicted

and most people don't drink tea. most people drink coffee and sweet caffeinated beverages.

>>129528770

it's the same principle in that all animals have natural genetic programming, ie. normal biological function; and psychoactive chemicals, especially addictive ones (daily use), are distortive

>>129526489
Tell that to australians!

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>>129526489
W-why you gotta be like that

>>129525647
Free coffee at work the other day. I drank four sixteen ounce cups. I almost died. I went home that afternoon at 3pm and slept all afternoon. Woke up at about 9pm, took a shower, then back to bed all night.

Caffeine has never really had an effect on me, at least as far as what people seem to associate with it. Seems to make me sleepier if anything.

Love coffee though.

>>129525647
really depends on what kind of work you do desu

>>129528944
It helps sweat out the nicotine in your body. Once it's gone you won't have cravings anymore

if you don't drink your coffee black, you're an idiot

black coffee is healthy, and, like everything, mustn't be used in excess

if you don't know if you're drinking too much, drink less

/thread

>>129526734
Someone please hold me.
But don't actually touch me, that would be gross.

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>>129532509
This. I drink about 1/4 cup with ice and water in the mornings - strait.

>>129532509

if you drink coffee every day you're a braindead addicted moron

nobody needs caffeine, don't be a pussy

>>129529190
>people have been drinking tea for thousands of years, but not like this, every day addicted
Are you retarded? East Asians rarely drank anything but tea.

>>129526243
>Finland is the most coffee's consumer per capita

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWuyrlXI7nA

>>129527069
Those are (were) major world economies also

>>129532819
spoken like a true child lol

there is no way you're over 18

>>129529448
chocolate is toxic to dogs, we should stop eating it?

I've totally quit smoking weed and I have some alcohol 1-2 times a week.

I'm not giving up my caffeine or my nicotine.

Come at me.

Used to be a 2x coffee a guy sort of day. One in the morning and one at lunch just to power through the work day.

Weaned myself off the lunch coffee and now that I've started exercising again I'm perky in the morning after just a glass of juice. Coffee is still a guilty pleasure of mine though, a cup with sweets or sandwiches is simply the mark of civilization.

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>>129525647
>>129526489
>>129528204

>biologically diverged for hundreds of millions of years
>completely different brains, circulation, nervous system, metabolic processes

>it's the same thing

You fucking idiot.

>>129528055
best ever

>>129525647
I don't drink any coffee. I never really cared for it. The one time I did have it, made me jittery as fuck.

>>129528204

I am much more productive and my work is of a higher quality when I drink coffee.. You're a fucking retard if you think that caffeine will effect a spider the same way that it effects humans.

People drink coffee because it stimulates the mental processes. Conversation is more interesting, work is easier, and life just seems better when you brain is buzzing with creativity and motivation.

Who gives a shit who drinks coffee? It's just a nice way/ritual to start your day? No major ill health effects in moderation. Mind your own business, fag.

>>129532509
oh god, it's that guy who for some reason likes everyone to know that he drinks his coffee black

why do you think anyone cares?

https://youtu.be/sHzdsFiBbFc
Relevant

>>129525647
Caffeine is a natural poison that developed to disrupt the nervous systems of arthropods eating the plants that produce it, obviously it has a larger negative effect on them. The human nervous system is not the same as those of insects or arachnids.

>>129534958

They're the vegans of coffee

>>129525647
Just reminded me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

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>dont talk to me till ive had my morning coffee

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>>129527508
This is why I can't quit. Severe headache after half a day.

>>129535765
Not funny man, this guy literally dindu nuffin

>>129536402
Sad!

>>129532965

today is not 1000 years ago. that's the whole point to begin with

>>129528289
If they are in my room they die. End of story.

>>129533371

>muh caffeine

you're an addict in denial

>>129525647
Drink only water and beer.

>>129534283

it's the principle of functioning normally vs. chemical distortion addiction

>>129525647
20% Orange Juice masterrace

>>129525647

start drinking coffee

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24740588

>Shits lies.
Never seen a mug small enough for a spider.

>>129529831
Underrated

>>129528610
Like

>>129534559

*affects

people drink caffeine because it makes them feel good. see caffeine's effect on serotonin and dopamine

dope-amine

>>129525647
Great video about spiders on drugs and their web pattern.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahNexSTi4ZU

>>129534739

>ritual

you misspelled addiction

>>129526593
I get into I need muh coffee for periods and I fucking hate myself for it. God dammit. It's this cut, I feel weak a lot and it's an eternity. It's so hard to get to 10%

>>129525647
Jokes on you, I'm on bennies.

>>129536806
>2017
>drinking liquid HRT

Caffeine is fine. It's a addiction but whatever. If I don't drink some coffee every morning I get a headache and that's it. Doesn't help me get motivated at all.

Why quit something like caffeine which is great? It's not crack or heroin I'm not sucking dick for a cup of coffee in the morning.

I function fine without it.

Cigarettes on the other hand? 100% addiction. If I don't get that nic fix I'm horrible. Can't work, nasty mean person, can't focus, can't sleep, can't do anything. Shits expensive as fuck too.

When I fly I buy nicorette so I don't chince out on the plane. Also do that for dates, girls have smoking.

>>129531845
yeah at 9 bucks for a can of shitty ass folgers I've started to only drink the free work coffee. I don't feel any different on the weekends when i dont have any coffee.

>>129536351
I have quit drinking caffeine, it was really hard. I have quit smoking, it was much easier. Now I'm trying to quit drinking soda and it's fucking impossible.

>>129525647
>Marijuana spider gives up part way through
>Caffeine spider keeps going to corners
Kind of funny.

Yeah coffee addiction isn't good. It's good to take a break from coffee every once in awhile, even if you get a headache.

>>129525647
We are not spiders. The amount of caffeine a normal person consumes a day doesn't have such a drastic effect on our productivity.

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>>129528204
the absolute STATE of anti druggers

>>129537374
>those wildly inconsistent addictions

Quitting smoking was a million times harder than caffeine or the carbonated jew.

>>129537157

>I function fine without it

when's the last time you went a month without caffeine?

be honest. you don't function without it

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>>129528527

>>129527017
>>129526820

https://erowid.org/pharms/chloral_hydrate/chloral_hydrate.shtml

>>129525647
Did you know that coffee is poison to most animals except humans?

>>129532380
Is this real? I've wanted to quit but I've needed motivation to start or some ideas to make it easier.

The problem is not the caffeine.

The problem is the society that indirectly necessitates or promotes the consumption of caffeine in order to keep its' hamster wheel spinning.

I take 400mg of caffeine daily. How fucked am I?

>>129537157
Try Champix my dude. After two weeks, cigarettes taste like they actually taste, like hot smouldering ass. After four weeks, it's purely a psychological addition. Use it to transition to vaping if you can't give up the oral fixation completely. You can do it.

>>129537696

I function fine without it. I don't randomly go months without it because there isn't any downsides to drinking coffee or having a occasional cola or chocolate.

I mean maybe I'm a slave to it? But who cares there isn't a downside to it.

if you give a dog chocolate it will die.

>>129529448
According to your logic here:
Chocolate is toxic to dogs therefore it is toxic to humans.
Grapes are toxic to cats therefore humans should not consume grapes.
There is no common principle here. Spiders have entirely different processes for metabolizing chemicals than humans do. If you were comparing drugs effects on apes vs humans then you'd get somewhere because at least there both test subjects are primates. You wouldn't argue that "birds fly because they flap their wings so why can't humans?" because of physiology differences but you'll freely argue that those same physiological differences mean that caffeine (of all things) is bad for humans.

>>129538301
The lack of your own sovereignty is the greatest downside to it.

Build your self-discipline

>>129537497

>addicts

>>129538301

when's the last time you went a week without it?

you can't say you "function fine without it" if you never go without it

yes you're a slave

>but who cares there isn't a downside to it.

see dopamine and serotonin. you cannot think clearly on caffeine. also it raises your blood pressure, which has negative potential consequences in certain situations (like war) where your blood pressure is already naturally elevated

>>129537497
whatre you going to do if we can't import anymore coffee or weed you addicted bastard?

>>129538067

your DNAs are fine >>129536880

I work 11+ hour nights nigger.
20 oz sugar free redbulls every evening.
I'm in a bad state though, severely need to clean my room, probably should quit my job and move out of the country, develope goals, live alone in the woods for a few months. Otherwise I'll end up roping myself.

So if anyone's wandering caffeine makes you crazy. Well that and working 12 hours at night every night.

Fucking Whites on pol want to start their own nation and can't even fucking function without coffee. Shit is pathetic.

>>129538965

Lmao I bet you think sugar free is healthier than regular. Enjoy brain cancer.

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>>129525647
I find it disgusting how much people drink coffee and for most they crave for it just to function normally.

Finland has one of the biggest coffee consumption in the world per capita, se drink it like it's water.

>>129538484

see>>129538687

>>129538687

Went a week without caffeine a few months ago on a trip.

>>129538540

Whatever lot more important things to do before I worry about a little caffine.

Pol is worse than vegans when it comes to drugs. Trying to tell you to stop doing something that is harmless in the name of some moral bullshit.

>>129533371
>Getting defensive because you can't break a literal meme addiction

Sad.

>>129539066
No but it isn't as disgusting and won't make me fat.
Redbull has phenylanine which is used as a mild treatment for ADHD. I love it, but I'm developing a massive tolerance to it. The stuff is basically poison, but what else is there to do when my emtire life is just working heavy labor and then sleeping? I'm a robotic machine, and Redbull is a fueling agent. The world is fucked for young lads.

>>129533371
imagine being unable to function in your day to day life without being a drugged up fake

>>129536784
Should he go to rehab?

My job (USN) deprives me of sleep so I need it to stay awake to stand watch without getting reprimanded.

>>129539411
>Pol is worse than vegans when it comes to drugs. Trying to tell you to stop doing something that is harmless in the name of some moral bullshit.
it's effectively equivalent of the left's virtue signalling. i'm betting the people posting this shit are d&c trolls or paid shills

>>129539695

no, grow some balls. this isn't heroin

>>129539740

>it's a conspiracy

caffeine addiction has gotten you fucked up in the head

it's not virtue signalling, it's being in control of your own mind, not a slave to a chemical crutch that makes you feel good. wake the fuck up

>>129526489
>>129525647
It isnt even that spiders arent human, it is that spiders arent even a fucking good model of a human.

>>129538687
>(like war)
Meanwhile the military gives soldiers and pilots amphetamines very often.

>>129539860
transparent as fuck

only newfags fall for the retarded divide and conquer bullshit you niggers shit out on a daily basis

Fuck it, I'm in OP.

I just freed myself of porn/jacking (one month!) so the next on the hit list is tobacco and alcohol but I don't want to quit those entirely just greatly reduce. Caffeine however seems totally doable to give up forever since I can still drink decaf coffee because I like the taste of it at this point.

Thanks

>>129539577
You should just take caffeine pills or get the powder and mix it into a drink/snort it.

>>129527582
Yeah, as long as they aren't in my bedroom or bathroom, I'll usually just let them outside. Anything in those rooms gets killed, not risking them getting away and not being able to find them.

>>129539227
Nigga it's dark like 21 hours a day in Finland for 5 months. What do you expect

>>129539724
Nuke here. Stopped caffeine and I'm doing fine, don't be a pussy

>>129539405
>statements made without evidence
>ad hominem
>assuming I intake caffeine.

>hurr hurr dopamine
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4462609/
literally increases alertness, this is a plus you mongol. Cardiovascular function not significantly affected by caffeine.
>hurr hurr serotonin
Literally nothing on caffeine significantly affecting serotonin levels however we have
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8039038
which shows caffeine to be a counter-obesity agent.

I'm still failing to see your downsides here for caffeine consumption.

>>129526987
This.

Paracelsus said so, everything is poisonous at the right dose.

>>129537696
drank 4 energy drinks a day for a long time. Ended up losing my job and all my money so cut it. Didn't even bother me. The idea that you can't function without it is stupid.

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>>129526734
What the fuck?

I've never been into coffee, i wake up i'm wide awake.

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>>129536852

>it's the principle of functioning normally vs. chemical distortion addiction

>Spray a small squirt of insecticide on a spider, watch it spaz out and die in seconds

>Spray a small squirt of the exact same insecticide on me, go on about the rest of my life because literally nothing happened

>>129540047

first, pilots generally aren't encountering super high stress situations that the drugs would compound/exacerbate. being a pilot in the USAF is mostly routine. we haven't been at war with a serious power since the early 1950s. plus with the tech involved now there aren't things like dog fights anymore. these planes pick up potential adversaries a hundred miles away, etc.

for infantry and for civilians I think it's a mistake. we will likely see a sharp increase in hostilities soon, whether race war or just impending ww3. you will need to be able to think clearly and calmly, and caffeine prevents you from doing both

>>129525647
Spiders have different receptors and human beings can't shoot silky film out of their hind ends

>>129526987
How much nutmeg do I have to eat?

>>129526489
spiders r ppl 2

>>129540187
And now it's bright as fuck 24/7 for the short summer.

My shrinking PIB is getting smaller now that you're fucking my coffee. Our oil reserves are almost over and I see this fucking post. Socialism is coming

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>>129526734

>>129540770
So in a happening scenario and you need to be up for many days straight with little sleep, you think it would be a bad idea to use caffeine or amphetamines?

>>129540785
Tell that to the homosexuals after intercourse.

>>129540119

it's the opposite of divide and conquer. I'm trying to help you. your addiction is lashing out

also I've been here since before Romney-Obama. newfag? kek, that's you

>>129536776
I live in a multi room apartment by myself. I let the spider live as long as they aren't in my bedroom or my bathroom. I figure they kill the more annoying bugs wherever else they are but I fucking hate looking at them and I hate walking into their webs.

>>129537696
The negative effects of dropping caffeine, which is honestly just a headache, barely even lasts a full day.

That shit is gone when you have been off coffee for 2 days, at least I've never come across anyone who has claimed otherwise, and everyone drinks tons of coffee that I know. Withdrawl from dropping coffee is a meme.

>>129540871
More than really possible. You'd probably vomit before you got that point.

People tried injecting it however, if you're into that kind of irresponsible drug experimentation.

I replaced drinking and smoking with coffee

>>129540284
And here we have it folks: facts kill the liberal.

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>>129540871
About one tablespoon. Though I really don't recommend it anon. It takes about 3-5 hours to kick in but once it does, it's not pleasurable.

>>129540871
Enough that it will be incredibly difficult to eat and you'll develope sever painful gastrointestinal problems and risk severe dehyderation, cardiovasuclar constriction, and probably other things, for extremely mild and pointless "hallucinations" that amount to you just being really comfused.

Why would anyone ever intentionally induce hallucinations? They're not fun I took sleeping pills to sleep once that ended up making me hallucinate some color beams above me and a radiator on my cieling above my bed dripping water on my face. I got confused then fell asleep there's no fun in it at all.

>>129528204
My "normal" is not so great- I don't think I can function in modern society without caffeine, Prozac and adderall. And occasional xanax.

>>129541257

add this one too >>129536880

coffee is literally good for health

>>129525647

>Man-made caffeine is sometimes added to foods

That's the problem right there. Wish they gave a list of what food companies added that man made shit

They forgot one bullet item

>• Makes you red pilled as fuck

Same applies to smoking. You don't think they want you to quit this stuff for health do you. It's because they realized it woke you the fuck up to their shenanigans. That's why the population has become more cucked than previous generations.

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>>129541100
>>129541477

Neither one of you have any idea what you're talking about. Gastro pain is minimal though expect vomiting during the trip. Nutmeg can be fatal if you eat too much it though. However you can trip (uncomfortably) well before you poison yourself fully.

>>129526987
Nutmeg you say hmmmmm

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>>129525647
I AM NOT A FUCKING GOD DAMNED SPIDER YOU LITERAL MONG.

>>129540284

>without evidence

try a simple google search. the effects of caffeine on dopamine and serotonin are well-documented

>Single or multiple doses of caffeine increased the concentration of brainstem serotonin (40–100%).

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0014299971900343

>caffeine enhances dopamine (DA) signaling in the brain

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4462609

dopamine isn't just involved in alertness;

>The brain includes several distinct dopamine pathways, one of which plays a major role in reward-motivated behavior. Most types of rewards increase the level of dopamine in the brain, and many addictive drugs increase dopamine neuronal activity.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dopamine

>>129541257
>>129540284

the liberal is you fags

>if it feels good do it

that's literally caffeine addiction

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>>129533371
Some "muh purity" vegans believe this shit, too.

>>129540462

of course people can function without it. in fact, you can only function normally without it. but we're talking about addicts here

>>129528204
This. Caffeinecucks are so ubiquitous they can't stand to face it. I can sympathize since I was one and the days withdrawal to quit were worse than quitting cigs, but everyone redpilled should realize all poison is shit tier.

>>129541997
Did you miss my links? That is what a simple google search provided: caffeine and coffee are positive things, not that I would expect you to understand what studies say. But since you're so keen on bringing up dopamine (while mysteriously dropping serotonin), let's see here:
Dopamine
>called the pleasure chemical
>increases responses to reward-based stimuli
>increases alertness
Now let's look at something similar: low dopamine levels, also known as chemical depression, which can lead to
>fatigue
>addictive behavior
>mood swings
>memory loss
So again you are completely btfo'd because caffeine increases dopamine levels, thereby making for a happier person.

>your

>fucking

>reddit

>spacing

To those bitching about caffeine/coffee addiction; do you eat sugary + fatty foods ever, like dessert items? May not be a direct drug, but the physiological responses to it make it drug-like.

>>129541049

you need to be able to think clearly and calmly. caffeine raises blood pressure, not a good idea. that inhibits your ability to operate when you're already under pressure. in a happening situation your instincts and adrenaline will keep you awake, and a little sleep goes a long way

The marijuana one is not badly made, it's just unfinished.

Look, when I was in my senior year of high school (4 years ago), I was a broke, dry heroin addict. I drank coffee hard for 4-5 weeks once I got clean. It helped for a week or two. After that if made me a nervous, shaky wreck.
That's why I hate AA. They're cool with badmouthing illegal drugs while simultaneously promoting nicotine and caffeine. It's fucking disgusting. Sober is sober, legal or illegal.

>>129525647
Why do that to the little dude? How is a fucking spider a good comparison to a human?

>>129542043
>if it provides benefits with no tangible or serious downsides, do it.
FTFY
But, still, according to your logic (which has changed to ever move your goal post, seriously where is the argument about caffeine affecting spiders?) then having sex is sex addiction because it feels good, or taking a hot shower for that matter, or any other hobby that provides a positive response.

>>129526593
t. unemployed cuck

Try waking up at 4am every day without caffeine you NEET

>>129541099

not true, especially for long-term addiction. it's more than just headache;

>the following 10 fulfilled validity criteria: headache, fatigue, decreased energy/activeness, decreased alertness, drowsiness, decreased contentedness, depressed mood, difficulty concentrating, irritability, and foggy/not clearheaded.

>Typically, onset of symptoms occurred 12-24 h after abstinence, with peak intensity at 20-51 h, and for a duration of 2-9 days. In general, the incidence or severity of symptoms increased with increases in daily dose;

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15448977

>>129542450
Nigger you're fuckin retarded. Caffeine doesn't even have withdrawals. Nicotine is a much crueler mistress. Even 3 years after I quit I can't hang around my smoker friends without intense cravings.

Coffee upsets my stomach and makes me pee too much

>>129535765
I'm glad he is dead desu

>>129542869
Try greentea. It honestly does a better than caffeine.

>>129543032
Nigger you're just wrong. Caffeine withdrawal being more extreme is a medical fact. Nicotine addiction is largely psychological and withdrawal is over in a day. Caffeine withdrawal can last up to four days and has much more severe symptoms. I'm a clinical toxicology professional. I work with detox cases five days a week.

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>>129525647
been drinking coffee since age 16, i am now 29.
I quit for two months and was absolutely amazed at my increase in energy, and ucanny ability to focus on something for hours. Its like on coffee i am a full blown ADHD retard who cant read an article without getting distracted, but without coffee i am so much more down to earth and focused.
Also on coffee I crash really hard in the afternoon and need a nap. with no coffee i have energy all day long, in fact i have the level of energy that i used to drink my coffee to achieve.
Being on coffee was just a terrible roller-coaster of having unclear thought, always thinking about having more, then getting tired and cranky in the afternoon.
Also if you have been drinking coffee on your entire adult life, you have no idea how good it feels to have an ultra deep refreshing sleep.
Quitting coffee was an amazing improvement to my life, not to mention the amount of money I would spend on it. it is truly a handicap to our entire species

I have IBS-C. I'd rather drink a coffee to help take a dump than have to take all sorts of other laxatives that are far less healthy. I do enjoy the flavour, but I'll usually reach for a mint tea or something over it if I just want a warm, tasty beverage.

>>129542525

I responded to your links. there's a lot more out there and again, there's more to dopamine than just altertness. you are cherry-picking and pretending the bad side effects don't exist

also I didn't "mysteriously" drop serotonin. reread my post. caffeine has inhibited your comprehension, apparently.

>low dopamine levels, also known as chemical depression

there are more than 2 options. see the lesson of the 3 bears. you are trying to justify "too much" by appealing to "not enough". faulty logic

BTFO indeed

>a happier person.

>IF IT FEELS GOOD DO IT, AMIRITE

hippie idiot

>>129525647
wtf, how do you put marijauna un a spider with no damage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMGZtkMS3sQ

>>129543429
Exactly this. If nothing else the money saved and better sleep is well worth the price of withdrawal symptoms over a long weekend.

Kick the habit guys.

>>129542561

sugar is normal and necessary part of the human diet. bad example

>>129526734
Jesus.

>>129543617
Except most the sugar people eat is HFCS, which is not the same.

>>129542821

>tangible

kek, they say "there's no such thing as a free lunch". true in this case too. the effects are as I've described. it distorts your ability to perceive reality correctly by fucking with dopamine and serotonin. it also increases blood pressure which is potentially hazardous in high-pressure situations the future is likely to bring

>>129542602
Your "instincts and adrenaline" will only take you so far, especially when you are up for several days with no sleep, which is why they give operators and pilots amphetamines to stay awake. Also unless you drink a shit load of coffee, you aren't going to have trouble thinking clearly and calmly, have you ever actually used caffeine?

i never get tired of this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHzdsFiBbFc

>>129543617
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11733709

>>129540871
nutmeg is stupid, eat poppy seeds instead.

>>129537298
just get caffeine powder, i bought a 10 dollar bag and its lasted me 2 years.

>>129542821

>which has changed to ever move your goal post

kek, you aren't even typing clearly. and you're wrong if you're suggesting I've changed my logic; now you're just making shit up. caffeine delusions

sex is not a valid comparison with caffeine. sex is natural human behavior, the motivations for sex are instinctual. caffeine dependency is a chemical addiction. it's not just positive response habit; caffeine itself alters your brain chemistry, distorting your thinking.

>>129543322
Enjoy your heart attack. Ever wonder why you don't hear the about the antioxidant meme anymore?

>>129543895
My fucking sides.

>>129526734
It's fake but still fappable

>>129543962
Also, keep in mind that the new daily RV for sugar is now ~25 grams.... For reference, your average soda is about 30-40...

>>129544075
doesn't work any more anon, at least not in my part of Fl. All the damn seeds are washed these days. Used to make some bomb ass tea about 3+ years ago.

>>129544120
no, care to post some sauce?

>>129540871
JUST shy of the dose that is poisonous. Don't. It's a really bad idea.

>>129534559
this. caffeine literally pulled me out of depression by giving me too much energy to just sit there and do nothing.

>>129542869

people have been waking up and working without caffeine for thousands of years. quit being a pussy

>>129543322

green tea has caffeine

>>129543429

this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YNgRRyRxK0

>>129525647
This reads like something a 14 year old would do as a school project

>>129537867
ty anon

>>129543423
Nigger take an excedrine and get over it.

>>129544274
Tea also contains a lot of polyphenols which reduce the rate of caffeine absorption, IIRC.

>>129543423
I quit a lot of stuff and nicotine was by far the hardest. The problem is that you condition yourself. Wake up? Smoke. Eat breakfast? Smoke. Wait for bus? Smoke. Break time? Smoke. Lunch time? SMOKE SMOKE SMOKE... Talking with friends? Smoke. Drinking alcohol? Smoke... Even after months of having quit, I still found myself reaching for the pouch of tobacco that wasn't in my pocket in certain situations.

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>>129528204
>You should stop eating chocolate and onions too

>>129543744

true but he didn't say HFCS, he said sugar

>>129543840

your instincts and adrenaline and a little sleep will get you far enough, and they will keep your mind clear and calm while you are awake. that's worth it.

>you aren't going to have trouble thinking clearly and calmly

yes you are. I'm not talking about getting shaky; I'm talking about basic judgment. caffeine consumption, even in moderation, is like wearing rose-colored glasses all day. it's not real. yes it makes you feel good, but buck the fuck up, you need to deal with reality not live in fantasyland.

>have you ever actually used caffeine?

yes of course, that's why, like this guy>>129543429

I realize what a benefit it is to be sober, to be clear headed, to get a normal night's sleep. when I was on caffeine I used to wake up tired every morning. try waking up actually awake

>>129532509
Is that how you like your men too?

And you can't /thread yourself leaf.

>>129525647
No I like coffee and I won't stop drinking it so suck my dick nigger loving faggots

>>129544274
>green tea has caffeine
a 1/4 of what regular coffee has... even then depends on what coffee you're comparing it to

Starbucks adds caffeine into their beans to get customers addicted faster.

proof? I hate coffee but if i am out with friends and they stop by starbucks, i'll grab a tall blonde roast. i start shaking after drinking it.

>>129543423
>Nicotine withdrawal is over in a day
>Trust me I have a PhD in Toxicology and also I'm an expert I'm not a NEET I swear

>>129525647
>a natural insecticide negatively effects spiders
Are you fucking tarded?

>>129544765
That's not how you prove something, Anon.

>>129525647
Coffee isn't bad. I had 1.5 pints of coffee everyday for the past 6 months and I lost about 30lbs.

>>129543962
>>129544138

you initially said "do you eat sugary + fatty foods ever"

now you're talking about excessive intake. not the same thing. of course you can take things too far. drinking too much water can kill you.

>>129543535
my bad, I didn't notice you responded to my link about negligent serotonin increases with an unsourced article claiming 40-100% increases. And caffeine has addled my perception? If I'm cherry picking then you're taking it to a whole new level by just completely ignoring the overwhelmingly positive side effects that are being posted time and time again. But apparently to you, and no one else, more dopamine is a bad thing.
>mocking and ignoring what was said
>closing post with ad hominem
You truly have nothing to add now that your platform of caffeine is bad for spiders has been wholly dismantled, don't you?

Before you rant about me saying your article was unsourced, let's look at it: 1971 vs mine at 1994. Technology makes leaps in bounds over the course of decades. Cannot look at study without paying for it vs mine demonstrating how the levels failed to increase

>>129543767
Again you're spouting it increases blood pressure when it does not as per my linked study, did you fail your English and grammar classes in primary school?
>future is likely to bring
and we're done here. You have completely left the realm of facts and data to pursue a fairy tale world of nuclear annihilation and lethal caffeine related heart attacks. I would say it was a good debate, but it wasn't.

>>129544765
You should go see a doctor, I've never had coffee but I smoke and even after a week on not having a smoke I don't get shakes, wtf is wrong with you man.

>>129537026
WRONG! Caffeine is for energy

adderall

>>129544211
On phone but as I remember the research, the antioxidants inhibit protein synthesis in the heart. Slowly over time your heart wears out even if you become better conditioned everywhere else. So you have a runner or weightlifter taking a lot of antioxidants because it helps his muscles recover faster and he's getting stronger and faster until one day he dies because his heart can't keep up

>>129543423
I'm a smoker, and no, I have physical side effects well after a day from when I go without a cigarette.

>>129544620

are you addicted to onions?

>>129544860
i never shake from regular coffee unless i drink 3 cups in one sitting

>>129544937
caffeine sensitivity i guess m8

everyone i know relies on caffeine to live

>>129536852

Why don't you show us the human webs made with and without caffeine?

>>129545120
maybe, you don't know me.

>>129544920
Following that statement I asked about foods like "desserts". Meaning easily excessive amounts of sugar + fat, if the daily recommended value is 25g of sugar. Stop trying to say I moved the goal post when you were two blind to see where it was.

>>129545023
It doesn't give you energy. On its own, it has almost no calories. It binds to adenosine receptors without actually triggering them. Since adenosine can't bind to them, you don't notice you're tired.

>>129526734
Buddy I'm a 34 year old drug dealer who has been in several knife fights and have had guns to my head numerous times throughout my life and this fucking story has filled me with a fear I've never known until now.

>>129545120
i can't go a day without eating some sort of onion

don't get me started on the dangers of caramelized onions

>>129544687
>your instincts and adrenaline and a little sleep will get you far enough, and they will keep your mind clear and calm while you are awake. that's worth it.

Tell that to the military

yes you are. I'm not talking about getting shaky; I'm talking about basic judgment. caffeine consumption, even in moderation, is like wearing rose-colored glasses all day. it's not real. yes it makes you feel good, but buck the fuck up, you need to deal with reality not live in fantasyland.

Can you explain what basic judgement people lack when they use caffeine?

>I realize what a benefit it is to be sober, to be clear headed, to get a normal night's sleep. when I was on caffeine I used to wake up tired every morning. try waking up actually awake

I find that if you get about the same amount of sleep every night, you will wake up just fine. For instance when i get about 6-7 hours of sleep I wake up just fine. If I go under or over that I have more trouble getting out of bed.

Although I'll give credit to your argument, if you were to take amounts of caffeine and cocaine, you would overdose on caffeine before you over dosed on cocaine.

>>129545130
That's still not proof. I can't quantify shit by a fraction of some random dude's caffeine tolerance, especially when there could be all sorts of other factors.

>>129540871
I ate 6 whole nutmeg nuts and was fucked up for 2 days. Like extremely stoned, red eyes and everything but no munchies. I was kind of ill for a few days following, I think it hurt my liver.

I realized caffeine was some sinister shit when I ran out of coffee one morning and didn't feel like going to the store and buying more at that moment. Couple hours later my head felt like someone had cracked it open with a smithing hammer. Can't really even begin to describe it, it was several times worse than any migraine I've ever had. Nicotine withdraw didn't hold a candle to it. Anything with withdraw symptoms like that can't be good.

Still drink it daily though.

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>>129525647
Caffeine makes spiders drunk.

>>129545385
i don't fucking care, you autistic sperg

did i hurt your feefees by shitting on starcucks?

they burn their beans too. i can tell by how it tastes.

>>129544765
>, i'll grab a tall blonde roast

Oh, come on bro. Don't give those faggots Shekels...They don't even put out decent product.

>>129544383
Caffeine also robs your body of calcium.

Take a supplement for your bones once in a while if you drink a lot of caffeine.

>>129525647
Are you seriously implying that human physiology and spider physiology are same ?

>>129545568
i go to starbucks maybe 1 or 2 times a year

>>129526489
are you sure

>>129545498
WTF GO SEE A DOCTOR, THATS NOT NORMAL!!!

caffeine doesn't do that bro, that's a fucking brain tumor.

>spiders=humans

>>129526734
well that is just some of the most fucked up shit

>>129545695
calm the fuck down, you moron

>>129545555
I've been to a Starbucks three times in my whole life and I've never purchased a beverage there that wasn't in a bottle.

>>129545695
It was just an extremely bad headache. If I ran to the doctor for every pain I had, I'd be banned from the premises.

But actually be careful with honey guys, one time I almost overdosed on that shit by injecting it into my dick, I spent the day running around my town trying to 'sting' pretty girls who I thought were flowers

It's dangerous as fuck, now I'm addicted and I have to collect pollen at least twice a day to do a line on the toilet seat at work.

My entire house is full of honey comb now

Please hear me and don't ever do honey.

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>>129545922
you're still giving money to the company

>>129545841
>>129545975
Guys calm down I was only being cheeky

>>129544933
>Again you're spouting it increases blood pressure when it does not as per my linked study

demonstrably false

>Caffeine can cause a short, but dramatic increase in your blood pressure, even if you don't have high blood pressure. It's unclear what causes this spike in blood pressure. Some researchers believe that caffeine could block a hormone that helps keep your arteries widened. Others think that caffeine causes your adrenal glands to release more adrenaline, which causes your blood pressure to increase.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/high-blood-pressure/expert-answers/blood-pressure/faq-20058543

>an unsourced article claiming 40-100% increases.

unsourced?

>European Journal of Pharmacology
>Volume 16, Issue 3, November–December 1971, Pages 322-325

derp

>And caffeine has addled my perception? If I'm cherry picking then you're taking it to a whole new level by just completely ignoring the overwhelmingly positive side effects that are being posted time and time again.

>overwhelmingly

topkek, that's addiction talking. the lady doth protest too much. the "makes you feel happier" is a distortion of your perception of reality. heroin also makes you feel happier. it's a false feeling. it's chemical; it's not that reality is actually that way. and because reality is not that way, you're risking fucking things up because you can't actually deal with reality on its own

some extra alertness isn't worth the tradeoff, and once you become habituated you lose most of that anyway. now you're just addicted and drinking to get back to the same place you were without it, plus with all the emotional distortion and higher blood pressure risk. not worth it.

>1971 vs mine at 1994.

you think human physiology changed in 20 years? kek. plus I posted more than 1 link

>ad hominem

quit whining cry baby, you are guilty of the same damn thing, only difference is I'm not a hypocrite like you

>>129525647
Interesting fact: We aren't spiders...

>>129544933

>and we're done here. You have completely left the realm of facts and data to pursue a fairy tale world of nuclear annihilation and lethal caffeine related heart attacks.

yes run away pussy. your caffeinated rose-colored view of the world is not consistent with reality;

>CBRN substances have been carried undetected into the EU

>Paris...Washington DC, London, And Rome were specifically mentioned, as well as targets in Belgium

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2015/572806/EPRS_BRI(2015)572806_EN.pdf

>Coalition forces have discovered thousands of plots by Isis to attack Europe

http://metro.co.uk/2016/11/28/isis-terror-plots-for-uk-discovered-during-mosul-offensive-6288083

>ISIS supporters have posted...messages warning of the countdown “till the zero hour”

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/media/digital/2015/05/18/-Countdown-to-zero-hour-ISIS-supporters-on-Twitter-post-Italy-threats.html

>"They want something that happens everywhere at the same time"

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-jihadist-returns-from-syria-and-gives-testimony-a-1067764.html

>the use of a Borak in an improvised bomb “could effectively disperse the sarin nerve agent.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/16/world/cia-is-said-to-have-bought-and-destroyed-iraqi-chemical-weapons.html

>The ISIS laptop contains a 19-page document in Arabic on how to develop biological weapons

http://foreignpolicy.com/2014/08/28/found-the-islamic-states-terror-laptop-of-doom

>“We saw the future of this threat in Brussels and Paris,” said the head of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, adding that future attacks will be on “an order of magnitude greater.”

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-07-27/fbi-chief-warns-terrorist-diaspora-will-be-coming-to-the-west

etc. and remember what Obama said; jihadists are only "JV"

>>129546019
You go to Starbucks way more often than I do, though. If either of us is a Starbucks fanboy, you'd be it.

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>>129526734

>>129546279


>http://nytimes com/2015/02/16/world/cia-is-said-to-have-bought-and-destroyed-iraqi-chemical-weapons.html
https://archive.is/UQWo6

>>129525647
>comparing spider brains to human brains

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>>129545533

>>129546298
ooooooooooooooh nooooooooooooooooooooo

>>129527642
fuckers were breathing oxygen, too! You're onto something there, Hondo.

>>129545023

no, and what alertness it does give you initially dissipates once you become addicted.

>Continued exposure to caffeine will lead the body to create more adenosine receptors in the central nervous system which makes it more sensitive to the effects of adenosine in two ways. Firstly, it will reduce the stimulatory effects of caffeine by increasing tolerance. Secondly, it will increase the withdrawal symptoms of caffeine as the body will be more sensitive to the effects of adenosine once caffeine intake stops. Caffeine tolerance develops very quickly. Tolerance to the sleep disruption effects of caffeine were seen after consumption of 400 mg of caffeine 3 times a day for 7 days, whereas complete tolerance was observed after consumption of 300 mg taken 3 times a day for 18 days.[5]

>complete tolerance

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine_dependence

>>129546415
Dude, the only thing I had a problem with was your very loose definition of "proof" and you're acting like a fucking autist over it.

>>129527642
Drinking beverages that required boiling water first would've helped them survive from waterborne diseases.

>>129546575
oh noooooooooooooooo

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh noooo

>>129526489
t. green gobby

>>129545175

>what is an analogy

we've been discussing these webs ITT

>>129545244

you said "ever". not the same thing. one dessert "ever" isn't going to necessarily put you over your daily recommended value. you were imprecise, just admit you were wrong. now you're talking about something we already both agree on, and is unrelated to the caffeine debate

also

>two blind

kek, caffeine has addled your mind

>>129546673
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLmUJCCKBTk

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>>129546158
Lies!

>>129546158
Stop giving those poor spiders caffeine, scientists. Save it for me!

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>>129534559
Caffeine loses its effectiveness overtime because of tolerance build-up.

>>129546900

>dude I know that 5.56 is NATO standard XD

>>129526734

More fake than the Holocaust

>>129545306
>Can you explain what basic judgement people lack when they use caffeine?

I've been describing it. distorted levels of serotonin and dopamine create a false, rose-colored view of reality. as one addict ITT admitted, it makes him "happier". well, deal with reality. if you're feeling happy about a situation that doesn't warrant it, that inhibits your motivation and emotional equilibrium.

heroin addicts will feel great but their lives are hell. similar idea with caffeine just not as severe obviously

> you will wake up just fine.

it's not true tho, and it's obviously not true because of caffeine addiction. it makes you tired in the morning, it's why people need to have coffee to "wake up"

>>129545044
Some nice pseudo scientific shit you cooked up, seems legit. . .

>>129545120
Are you addicted to the Book of Mormon?

>>129528204
I love my coffee.
Everything you ingest has some type of bio-chemical reaction in your body, everything has some mood altering effect.
Wtf? You eat food everyday? Are you addicted to food? Are you weak? Wake up. Do you see your logic fail there?

>>129525647
In the U.S., 100 percent of adults are not spiders.

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>>129537906
This t b h

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>>129546912
Stop consuming what is consumable! Its all bad for you! The Spiders will give us truth!

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>>129526734
I don't get it. What was with the text, then?

>>129525647
I am not a spider

>>129547257

I'm not Mormon

>>129547532

>Everything you ingest has some type of bio-chemical reaction in your body

you would justify heroin use this way. it's not all the same. some chemicals are overall deleterious and should be avoided.

>Do you see your logic fail there?

it's not a failure. your logical failure is implying all these things are equivalent. they're not. eating a salad isn't physiologically comparable with shooting heroin, believe it or not

>>129547590
Spider! We got a spider here!

>>129528204
No, I'm not rationalizing it at all. I'm totally addicted to it, but it helps me get beast-ass lifting sessions in, so I'm not worried about it. Some drugs can work to make you the best possible you. The only thing you're doing by foregoing it is eschewing your full potential in the vain pursuit of purity.

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>>129526243
>no known negatives
>all these positives!
>it makes it so you continue to work more efficient/longer
>a few bad headaches after stopping the intake isn't that bad so don't worry about it

literal propaganda

>>129547963

see>>129546546

after a few weeks you're habituated; after that you're just paying to get back to the starting line, and you're paying more than just $. you also pay with emotional and physical distortion (see higher blood pressure and unnatural serotonin/dopamine levels).

purity is not a "vain pursuit". it's being normal, being strong enough to deal with reality as it is. that's the best possible you.

>>129526489
/thread

>>129548096

this

either braindead coffee addict or paid for by starbucks (or both)

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>>129547769
me rn

>>129527017
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>>129528204
>stop liking what i don't like
Fucking retard.

>>129549615

see>>129547681

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>>129534559
>much more preductive
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHHA

meanwhile im just as productive if not more because i dont require drugs to wake up in the morning
i just wake up and begin the day
meanwhile this faggot will have to suffer from withdrawal the second the world's coffee supply runs out ie the apocalypse

hilarious that you retards actually try to coddle yourself into believing that you're BETTER OFF being dependent on a drug
fucking idiots wew

>>129534559
This.
Don't get me wrong though i can function without caffeine but it's easier to get started and focused on work if i start with a strong coffee and maintain that buzz with tea every couple of hours or so. Note i usually only do this if i've gotta work on something 10hours straight.
I've noticed without caffine i start to get tired after and make mistakesabout 6hours (depending on sleep).

>>129547532
>being dependent on drugs that alter the chemistry of your brain is exactly the same as eating food
how do people walk around being this ignorant and stupid?
in older days you people would have died off by being too stupid to make it

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>>129525647
COFFEE IS FUCKING DELICIOUS.

>>129525647
Caffeine is a bug poison. Whadya expect?

>>129525647
God everyone on this thread has weak genes if its effecting you neets this much. You can enjoy coffee with out the side effects, its also an appetite suppressant and is GOOD for getting your body in shape. I wake up at 4am everymorning with out coffee, and enjoy some at work when i get settled in to break the morning in while simultaneously having a gallon of water next to me. Sort your body out.

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>>129550883

>You can enjoy coffee with out the side effects

>its also an appetite suppressant and is GOOD for getting your body in shape.

or you could just stop overeating and stop eating junk food lazy gluttonous fuck

>>129551147
>waking up at 4am
>lazy gluttonous fuck

And who the fuck is talking about junk food?

>>129552546

if you need to drink caffeine to lose weight then you don't have a healthy lifestyle. either you eat too much junk or you don't exercise. probably both

>>129553079
Because some of us work a large amount of time. I'm on Wall Street and I barely have time for my social life muchless excercizing. I don't eat junk food and I still need my energy boosts. I just drink five hour energy though. I'll exercise when I've finished climbing this corporate ladder.

>>129553079
Do your parents know you're retarded?

>>129553079
Stop projection, no one but you neets are talking about needing it.

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>>129541074
but weed iz gud

>>129553431

nyc is going to get nuked soon>>129546279

time to rethink

perhaps you should eat less. walk more. I dunno, but caffeine is not the answer

>>129553517

>a leaf

>>129553551

>I drink it all day every day
>but I don't need it guys
>I can quit at any time, really........

>>129553596

I don't smoke weed either. times are too serious right now for chemical distortion

>>129525647
gee it's almost like caffeine and cocaine are damn near identical in their effects, and a multibillion dollar criminal organization revolves around one only because it's not legal.

>>129553783
>caffeine and cocaine are damn near identical in their effects
they aren't really though are they

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>>129553720
>posting about things that never happened and nobody said

>>129554455

>implying you're not addicted