Pet Owners are Retarded

Animals by all universal definitions aren't equal to humans, either biologically, mentally, ethicaly or whatever comparison you might want to come up with.
We only use animals for our own interests, and even cute animals just activate our inherent compassion sense we feel for each other, but the brain finds it harder to tell the difference sometimes

>>129498413
I own tons of pets and yes they are tools.

My chinchillas provide a small animal I can cuddle and care for, ensuring I don't become too idle while providing some beneficial emotion stimulus.

My fish tank provides a soothing image for me, while allowing me to work in water that also allows me to relax. It provides a small amount of beneficial emotional stimulus.

My cats hunt mice, cuddle, are cute, and provide beneficial emotional stimulus.

I want a dog to guard my house, cuddle, be cute, and provide beneficial emotional stimulus.

I want a handful of reptiles, amphibians, insects, arachnids, crustaceans, birds, and rodents to provide study material that also helps me live on the land (and chickens, which do provide food, same with crickets/mealworms/dubia roaches/etc.)

I get what you're saying, but I don't think your leaf brain has thought it all the way through.

Not all tools are hammers, I mean what else is a pillow but a tool that helps you fall to sleep quicker?
Don't call pet owners retarded when you yourself can't think beyond photosynthesis.

>>129498413
>Flag

Fuck you Leaf you deserve to be hanged.

Or you could, you know, consider animals to be below humans but still own one as a pet without any greater purpose.

>t. chink or muslim

>>129498413

Only niggers, sand niggers, and zipperheads hate animals. By your flag im guessing you're a dune coon so at least you must have a soft spot for goats Abdul.

>>129498413

>The way I see it, there are only two possible positions one can take:

18 year-old-tryhard who's starting to insert himself into the ways of adult society: the post

>>129498413
>leaf
>the way I see it...
Your opinion is invalid Chang

>>129498413
this is how psychopaths and serial killers start out. if you are unable to feel compassion for animals, theres something seriously wrong with you, besides the fact that youre a leaf

>>129498413
>animals are equal to humans, and should be treated as friends
That is not the position of PETA.

But thanks for spreading misinformation. I appreciate it, I really do. The more people on /pol/ are misinformed/uneducated the funnier the threads are.
Keep up the good work, anon!

>>129499504
Do you feel compassion for animals? If so then why do let millions of them be slaughtered every day and support this process by buying its by products? If you support mass killings of beings you are compassionate to then you show far more signs of being a psychopath then vice versa...
>>129499382
>>129499237
>>129499194
>45% white
>calling out others for not being white
lel
>>129498996
lmao I can see why Brazilians are for supporting animal rights considering they are subhumans as well

>>129498413
A creature you have a relationship has more value than if you don't. Why is that difficult to grasp?

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>>129498413

especially cat owners. It literally turns you into a crazy liberal. Pic related.

>>129499836
what is the position of PETA then? I just checked their website and thats literally what it says

>>129500519
>ad hominem attacks
I'm winning an argument with anonymous posters on the internet, mom! Come look!

If you have a dog, you can not eat a cow.

Welcome to Leaflogic 101!

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>>129498413
Lol humans are animals you retard

We have only the slightest edge over many of them, and even the ones we eat are more like us than we'd like to admit. Chickens and cows have feelings and lived just like we do, all that means is we should treat them decent before they're slaughtered.. it doesn't mean we shouldn't eat them, because one day we'll see that plants have a sort of intelligence as well.

Take the shaman pill and realize the dichotomy proposed by the OP is bullshit and the truth is far more complex.

>>129498413
Are you autistic, OP? Serious question, you actually seem like you have Aspergers.

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>>129498940
I'm cute, yank. Would you cuddle me?

Your "only two options" premise only works if you assume that all animals and all humans are on the same level.

For instance, if you, me, and my pet were in a plane, and the plane was overloaded and needed to drop weight, I would push you out, due to the hierarchy of usefulness to me.

>Me
>Animals
>Canadians

>>129498826
Humans are animals

>>129498413

My dog is fun to play with and barks when strangers approach my house.

And in an emergency, he is food.

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>>129500554
So if a white slave owner loved and was married to a black women it wouldn't be hypocritical if he still beat and killed his other black slaves?
>>129500819
Lets take a look at your original post: >>129499382 . Unfortunately, there isn't actually any argument in there at all!! It appears to be simply an ad hominem attack!
So why tf you crying when I responded to your ad homs with ad homs? lmao

>>129498413
Hope that proxy isn't fooling anyone

Go back to /bant/ with this aspbergers armchair philosophy.

Isn't /lgbt/ supposed to be the leaf containment board anyway?

>>129498413
the idea that all humans are above all animals is flawed, dogs are much more useful than niggers. If we got rid of niggers society would be better, but if we got rid of dogs society would be worse.

This is 100% objective and can't be refuted

>>129501212

Didn't your country just legalize fucking animals? Explain that one in relation to your theory.

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>>129498413
You and your ilk will be wiped off the map. Im shocked hiro hasn't went through with the leaf rangeban yet. There is talks of it. Day of the rake is coming regardless faggot

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>>129501551
Name 3 ways you have contributed more to society than the supposed useless nigger that works in the office beside me (software dev).
>>129501561
How does that have relation to me theory?

>>129498413

You missed one.

>animals are more perfect than humans as they can survive in nature. humans are stupid children making a mess of everything.

>>129501551
Oh no that's not true niggers would be useful if they were slaves again.

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>>129498413
>either they are food or they are human
only niggers deal in absolutes

>>129498413
What is it like to actually have autism?

>>129498413
>live next to a creek
>have a that kills mice for me
>one day disappears
*Welp* I'm guessing a snake got her.

>>129500519
because i dont have an emotional connection to those animals you autistic little shit. jesus christ how dense are you?

>>129498413
I eat animals but not all the time. There are health benefits to not eating meat everyday faggot

>>129502294
Obi Wan is a Sith Lord?

>>129502294

Nigger.

so thats were the big macs come from, shhhiiieeet.

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>>129500650
Fake Mews

>>129501212
how is it hypocritical to fuck a woman and at the same time beat a slave? The two aren't even remotely connected.

A woman is made for fucking. A slave for enslaving. They are both being used for their purpose in that scenario so I don't see the problem?

>>129498413

What's your definition of an animal though OP? Intelligence? Self-awareness? Animal is not species, it is simply a category of life. Some animals are far more intelligent than other animals and can even be more intelligent than stupid humans are. If an animal like a dolphin or a gorilla has very high intelligence relative to a chicken or a fish, and are capable of forming their own societies complete with cultural rituals within nature, using tools and communicating etc, I see a very big difference between eating a chicken and a gorilla, or between eating a dolphin and a salmon.

>>129498413
go to college you fuck

What is
>capacity to suffer
>rarity
>rights
>artificial versus natural
>forgeries


Yes some people are hypocrites in regards to animals.

fucking leafs

>>129498413
>implying mammals aren't superior
ISHYGDDT

MAMMAL SOCIALIST PARTY NOW

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>>129498413
Oh fuck off faggot dogs make great companions. I have a shephard and a cane corso iv raised since birth. Very loyal and protective dogs. Very well behaved and trained. Im not a vegan i just have a bond with my dogs. Think of it as a pack leader.
Besides you cant compare wild animals with domestic.

>>129502552
See >>129501212
Is it not hypocritical to have an emotional connection to something you regularly mistreat?
>>129503046
Wow you must slay pussy with that attitude. Ok so for example if you were one of the first American settlers would it be hypocritical for you to be friends with a native and at the same time go around genocide all his people?
>>129503101
Definition of animal: not human
Also pigs are some of the most intelligent animals in the world (dogs and cats are actually quite dumb compared to most animals) and yet that doesn't stop you from eating them.

>>129498996
dont let that Canadian faggot talk shit, hes very likely not Canadian hes probably some paki immigrant or HAPA angry kid.

>>129503562
Would you eat a dog? If not what is the difference morally between eating a dog and a pig for example?

>>129503839
No i wont eat a dog because i dont care to taste it. Iv eaten pig and it tastes good. We used to have a mini pig as a pet but it got bigger than it was supposed to. I dont see your point?

>>129503670
>Wow you must slay pussy with that attitude. Ok so for example if you were one of the first American settlers would it be hypocritical for you to be friends with a native and at the same time go around genocide all his people?

So all native americans were the same and dindu nuffins who didn't deserve death and to be overthrown? That's some cool revisionist history there friend, where'd you get it?

>If you kill a bunch of rabid dogs isn't it hypocritical to also befriend nice dogs?

Logic is not your friend

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>>129498413
Or you could take the non-retard position, not every animal is the same.

We, as animals, are on top of the Earth food chain and therefore get to decide which species are pets, which are food, which are pests to be exterminated.

>>129498413
>hurr you must be as extreme on one option, it gets easy for my retarded brain to disgrace you
>all middle grounds are forbidenm, because I'm too handicaped to discuss it
John the Apostle please go

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>>129498413
> a leaf
> dumb as shit opinion
nothing new

>>129503286
How about YOU go to college, stupid burger.

Its very clear OP is giving his commentary on the west's blind love for dogs and hatred for other cultures practice of eating dog/cats.

Muh "capacity" to suffer doesn't solve a SINGLE issue the op raises, even if you are a retard such as yourself who misses the entire point of the post. Newsflash retard. The cow your burger came had and equal, if not greater capacity for suffering compared to the poor little doge you condemn asians for eating.

You see how stupid you are?

>Rarity
God you're an idiot.

You completely missed the point op was making. Its like you're an oblivious moron. Hes talking about logical consistency. To be so shocked and angered by the treatment of dogs but not bat an eyelash for the BILLIONS of farm animals that are treated like utter useless shit and then have their heads bashed in with a hammer so that you can eat, all while judging the gooks for eating dogs.

Do you get it now you fucking idiot?

>>129504300
Holy shit you are dense dude. You don't understand the concept of metaphors or thought experiments at all lmao...
>If you kill a bunch of rabid dogs isn't it hypocritical to also befriend nice dogs?
The premise is invalid here. Animals you eat are not actively trying to harm and would be just as friendly and good pets as dogs. In fact many farmers have pigs as pets. The question is this:
>Is it morally valid to kill animals and at the same time treat them as companions?
The answer is no until you provide a valid distinction between pets and food. I am trying to use metaphors since I have a feeling you won't understand it otherwise lel
>>129504480
Middle ground is valid as long as you define it properly instead of swinging back and forth depending on your emotional state, (eg. saying what kind of nigger would kill/torture animals while eating a steak).

>>129505425
this. at least one american isn't actually pants-on-head retarded

>>129498413
It's not black and white, you can respect animals without thinking they're equal to humans or something. People individually can't stop the machinations of factory farming and animal cruelty and all that, so might as well just eat the meat that's going to be on the shelves of the supermarket anyway regardless of your existence

>>129505529
cows are large animals capable of being harvested and raised en masse for consumption. They also happen to be complacent, stupid animals, and taste good with some A1
Dogs do not taste good, like to play fetch, and are enjoyable to have around.
That's all the distinction I need in order to treat one as a food item and the other as a pet.
Fuck off with your false sense of morality.

>>129499836
>The more people on /pol/ are misinformed/uneducated the funnier the threads are.
I like you

>>129506186
You've never tasted dog.
You are stupid, therefore we should eat you.

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>>129506186
Consider pigs as an counterexample:
They are roughly the same dimensions as dogs and would produce the same amount of meat as dogs if dogs were fed the same drugs as them. Pigs as significantly more intelligent and are just as enjoyable to have around as dogs since people have them as pets all the time.
So why aren't you eating dogs and keeping pigs as pets? (inb4 dogs don't taste as good; you have never eaten a dog and the fact that other cultures eat them proves your point invalid).

Dogs are a white man's best friend

>>129507030
Dogs were traditionally used for hunting, herding and guarding, pigs weren't

>>129498413
by that logic vegans shoudent use hand sanitizer or use pesticides

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>>129498413
Thats okay anon you wouldnt understand because you never had anything or anyone love you and you never unconditionally loved back. Its not like a dog never waited 20 years at a train station for its dead owner. An animal dying to protect their human never happened. They never dragged a unconcious child out of a house fire and ended up with missing ears and blind in one eye from it and attacking fire fighters who tried to come near the girl.

Animals dont have feelings. Theyre just tools. Your mother must be very proud raising someone like you.

>>129498413
I agree with you... but I really like eating meat. Out of all of the animals, cows, chickens, turkeys and pigs seem like the lesser of evils to eat.

>>129507030

It's called culture you fucking leaf.

Yes, there are hypocrisies but so what? It's tradition, it's our culture, and it's not going away.

>>129507030
>fat disgusting oinker that shits and rolls around in mud all day is just as valid a pet as a dog who was undergone hundreds of years of selective breeding for specific traits of loyalty, kinship, athleticism, and fun-loving

yeah, you're retarded.

>>129506884
Do you know what dogs taste like then? I assume you are asserting that they do taste good? Oh you're not? Then you haven't made an argument.

>>129507030
I had a mini pig. First off you have to make sure they stay the right size or its alot to keep up with. I agree they are smart but they are still filthier and take more care than a dog. Dogs are pets instead of pigs because they are cleaner and more pleaseant to look at. Also a pig isnt going to defend or hunt.

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The rain was pouring down as these sad 'animal rights activists' were holding a demonstration outside a poultry abattoir which only butchers old hens who can't lay eggs anymore. They stand there, with their confused signs in what can only be described as 'the rain.' Noone gave a shit. The photographer didn't even bother to step out of the car to take the photo. It rained. Eventually, they went home, soaking wet and cold. Nobody cared.

In the centre, we have The Grim Reaper. Flanking him are creatures of undecidable gender. This is what veganism do to you.

>>129507030
I'm not bothered by the idea eating domestic animals like cats, dogs, horses, rabbits, etc. I would be turned off by stray city dwelling cats and dogs though, and obviously my own pets.

>>129507881
>I had a mini pig.
Where did Mr. Oinkers go, anon? To the bacon factory?

>>129507210
And? how often do you go hunting or herding with your dog? most dogs today are not even suited for those roles and are genetic abominations for years of aggressive breeding (eg chihuahuas). Face it if you had a pig as a pet since you were a kid you would love it just as much as your dog.
>>129507311
Lmao I have plenty of love in my life. I find it pretty pathetic that some people are so desperate for love that instead of going outside and finding someone they instead have to rely on dumb animals to love them that have no choice otherwise like some sort of cat ladies lmao
>>129507448
Being a hypocrite means that some of your views are not logically valid and your whole mindset is not philosophically sound. Personally I would find it very disconcerting knowing that my entire personality and convictions are based on a logical fallacy but I guess it doesn't really bother people who don't think to much

>>129506186
>Dogs do not taste good
From what I understand, the dogs that are eaten taste good, because they're raised to be eaten like other livestock while you're making the idiotic comparison between an animal that is raised to taste good and an animal raised to give you attention and eat cheap, dry food made of the leftover animal parts no living human wants to eat.

>>129507852
There are different types of pigs, and I believe people only use a certain type(maybe pot belly?) as a pet and avoid fat nasty hogs. They're clean when they are domestic just like pet dogs are cleaner than strays. I have little interest in a pet pig, but I don't think the pet ones are as awful as you described.

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>>129498413
I saw you post in that thread where the guy admitted he tortured animals for entertainment and you said there was nothing wrong with it. There's countries in Africa for you my friend, where they don't care. Feel free to move there.

>>129507311
>humans do not have the same capacity for love as dogs

You are all your dog has, you control every single aspect of its life.

you'd like for it to be treated as an equal because what you really want is to believe that its love is sentient, that the dog loves you for your amazing personality rather than simply reacting to your control

Your best friend is your slave, what does that say about you and all of your kind.

>>129498940
>Pets are tools
They really aren't. Unless you use your cat or dog for killing vermin, hunting, herding, or guarding places it is literally like a retarded child that will never amount to anything and die before they reach 20.

>>129507448
this

Rationalism and empiricism is incompatible with tradition and religion. I know which I'd rather have.

>>129498413

>asian country
>wants to eat pets

Cut it out, Wong.

>>129498413
>But what decides exactly which animals are equal is extremely arbitrary, such as how cute the animal looks.
>>animals are below humans as long as I don't see it
That's exactly that, it'd a kind of liberal disorder. People would say "I'd rather have a million people die than for some one to step on a puppy's ear." They think they're a good person because they think humans are evil, but they're THE most self centered person, valuing what is akin to a most sophisticated piece of property over people. People have lost their culture, traditions and heritage so they take on ridiculous ideas like animals>greater, emotions>values, bandwagoning>individual thought.

>>129508399
It is tradition to have dogs as pets, because in the past dogs were for hunting and herding. I would rather keep my peoples traditions than live in a sterile world where everything has to have a reason for being and god forbid there's any hypocrisy!!!

>>129498413
You're retarded and using mental gymnastics.

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>>129498413
>If you own pets you must also be a vegan otherwise you are engaging in huge mental gymnastics to the point of being mentally retarded.

>>129507852
lmao pigs can be house trained retard. Also your second point is pretty fucked up if you think about it. Imagine this:
>alien species comes to Earth
>decide that they kind of like humans
>capture us
>aggressively breed to the point that most of us have a fuckton of genetic diseases and hereditary problems and are a disgrace to the creature we originally were (https://www.cesarsway.com/about-dogs/breeds/have-we-overbred-bulldogs)
>find smaller humans cute so they breed some of us until we are 3 foot tall dwarf adominations
>find large foreheads kinda cute so they breed some of us until our heads are the twice the size of our body and we can't even walk
>don't do this to eat us or use us for anything, they don't even need us for their society to function at all
>only subject us to this because they kind of find us cute and like to keep us as pets
>later go online and post about how much they love us and what they would do if someone harmed us like your retarded ass

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>>129498413
ignorance is bliss
sorry, not sorry

>>129498413
as a chinaman you probably don't get white people
one thing that's true is that it's not consistent to not be vegan if you claim to respect animals

>>129498413
You know who else is below humans? Leafs. I wonder why we didn't start eating you yet

>>129500519
>Do you feel compassion for animals?
yes
> If so then why do let millions of them be slaughtered every day and support this process by buying its by products?
i dont "let" millions of animals get slaughtered because i have no say in the matter. im not gonna go Rambo on a farm. and i buy meat because i like meat. i had a pet turtle for a little while. i also killed a turtle and ate it. its what omnivores do.

>>129498413
Stop overthinking.

>>129498413
If animals are below humans, then you can use them however you want. Food, work, or companionship. There's no mental gymnastics involved.

>>129508644
This is the first post I have made today
>>129508881
>>129509214
>id rather parrot what my ancestors did than think for myself and learn from them
truly the most retarded of opinions
>>129509667
You literally have cannibalism in your third world shithole country so im not really surprised to hear this
>>129509831
>i dont "let" millions of animals get slaughtered because i have no say in the matter. im not gonna go Rambo on a farm. and i buy meat because i like meat. i had a pet turtle for a little while. i also killed a turtle and ate it. its what omnivores do.
You do let them be slaughtered by buying meat you retard. Do you think the meat you eat doesn't come from a dead animal?
>its what omnivores do.
Humans are the only omnivores to keep pets so your argument is not valid.
>>129509983
>just turn off your brain bro

>>129501212
>So if a white slave owner loved and was married to a black women it wouldn't be hypocritical if he still beat and killed his other black slaves?
no. thats not hypocritical

>>129509397
most pigs cannot be domesticated and successfully integrated into a household like a dog.

Both dogs, and pigs are tools of the human to be used as we see fit. In fact, all of the animal kingdom is to be used as we see fit because we are the rulers of the planet. That some choose to eat dogs is no concern of mine. I made no assertion that dogs were to be protected and loved at all costs. A society may choose whatever they like to do with a dog as is part of their ethos. You want to live in pakistan and fuck goats be my guest. Just don't do it in America

>>129510151
I trust my forefathers more than I do some random chink who hates tradition and is probably an atheist as well.

>>129498413
The fact that you have a dog doesn't mean that its equal to you Ahmed.

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>>129503670
>Definition of animal: not human
so what are humans, fungi? protozoa?
>Also pigs are some of the most intelligent animals in the world (dogs and cats are actually quite dumb compared to most animals) and yet that doesn't stop you from eating them.
no it doesnt. whats your point?

>>129498413
Animals are our friends that we can eat if we ever get desperate. Id eat my dog if it was life or death

>>129510492
Traditional societies rarely progress and are usually intellectual backwaters. Eg most shitty african tribal societies. Progress always comes at the expense of tradition (eg Galileo).
>>129510684
The words 'animal' and 'human' can mean many things. You are really smart for pointing that out thanks. If you are too autistic to understand my posts replace where I say 'animal' with beast and where I say 'human' with man. It does not change the arguements.

>mosquito
>equal to human life
I wonder whose behind this post?

>>129498413
So where are you on the spectrum?

>>129510148
/thread

>>129510151
>You do let them be slaughtered by buying meat you retard.
are you implying that if i alone stopped buying meat from the store, factory farming would stop? because it wouldnt.
>Do you think the meat you eat doesn't come from a dead animal?
i know exactly where my meat comes from. a factory farm that probably treats its animals less than ideal. but that doesnt bother me because there is literally nothing you or i can do to stop it and factory farming is a billion dollar industry.
>Humans are the only omnivores to keep pets so your argument is not valid.
sure it is. gorillas are omnivores. and that one gorilla Coco or Koko had a pet cat. even if it happened only once.
besides whats the difference between a pet and a subordinate member of your pack?

>>129511638
>The words 'animal' and 'human' can mean many things. You are really smart for pointing that out thanks. If you are too autistic to understand my posts replace where I say 'animal' with beast and where I say 'human' with man. It does not change the arguements.
humans certainly can be beasts. sub-saharan Africans have on average a sub-70 IQ and live in absolute squalor. chimps live better than some africans. and humans have an incredible capacity for voilence, cruelty, killer instinct, survival insinct, etc. just because we are using computers, wearing suits, living in houses and drinking wine does not mean that we (not necessarily all of us) are not still animals.

>>129508787
What type of mental handicap do you need to have to think like this?

You can be both meat eater and animal rights activist.
It's an attempt to minimize the horrors of (((industry))).
People are getting fatter and fatter anyways, dropping meat would be general health improvement.

>>129511648
Read the OP
>>129512056
If you stopped buying meat the demand for meat would marginally decrease. The meat companies would respond by producing less meat and killing less animals. Do you know basic economy?
Factories aren't gonna produce extra product just to throw it out.
>That one gorilla Coco or Koko had a pet cat.
It wasn't a pet. It was a friend. The gorilla wasn't responsible for feeding the cat nor did it force the cat to stay in some sort of enclosure it created. Also zoo animals aren't valid examples since they do not have to get their own food.

>>129512818
What point are you trying to make here OP? Are you just trying to feed us your autism? What is raising a daughter to marry her off just cuckoldry?

>>129512818
>If you stopped buying meat the demand for meat would marginally decrease.
if 1 person (me) stopped buying meat then the decrease in demand would be so immeasurably small that it might as well not exist. so for all intents and purposes, it does not exist.
>The meat companies would respond by producing less meat and killing less animals
are you implying that if 1 person (me) stopped buying a few pounds of hamburger meat every week that there would be enough of a drop in demand that fewer animals would be killed? because that is not the case.
>It wasn't a pet. It was a friend.
ok then. i dont have pets. i have non-human friends.

>>129498413
>only two possible positions
Your either with us or you are with the terrorists

>>129498413
It's extremely simple, unless you're an autist.

Meat is food. Animals are food.
Animals are living things. We are a sort of animal too. Whatever the spiritual significance is irrelevant unless you're an autist.

Some animals like mammals can develop a social bond with other animals. Like a lot of popular pets and cattle and in rare cases other types of animals too.

This is an easy way to obtain happiness, us being social animals. Eating meat does nothing for that social bond with whatever the heck you're attached to. You can even win their affectipon by providing meat, and in a lot of cases this is the only reason for that bond to exist. You eat and live together with a creature that has your affection. Just like you would eat with other humans, this is also a way to establish interpersonal bonds.

There is no argument against pets or whatever way people choose to eat by just their own merit. You don't think of animals as people or some animals as not supposed to be a source for nutrition unless you're autistic.

Anyone who has trouble understanding this is just an autist being mad at another form of autism. They're doing it wrong.

>>129513728
Read the OP
>>129513719
This is a very simplistic worldview that doesn't translate to the real world at all. It is not logically valid to say that buying meat does not support the practice of killing animals

>>129514938
>This is a very simplistic worldview that doesn't translate to the real world at all.
no you are just mad you cant make me agree with you and you cant prove me wrong

>It is not logically valid to say that buying meat does not support the practice of killing animals
1 person (me) not buying meat has zero impact on the meat industry. and vice--versa, 1 person buying meat does not contribute to the slaughter of animals.
because even if i dont buy that pact of sausages, somebody else will.

>>129498413
shut up leaf once again your opinions are autistic and retarded

>>129498413
>>only some animals are equal to humans

No. You know how it works. If an animal has a human sponsor, it will get more benefits because the owner wants it this way. Not because the animal is "equal to humans". Torturing the animal would essentially be insulting the owner.

>>129498413
>If you own pets you must also be a vegan otherwise you are engaging in huge mental gymnastics to the point of being mentally retarded.

No, I have a dog because I enjoy its company and cuddles and I eat meat because it tastes good. And maybe my brain is too lazy for gymnastics.

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>>129513719
>because my contribution is small it doesn't count
why would you think this is a valid argument?

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>>129498413
What happened Leaf?Did you dog run away and now you're angry?If yes then i comepletely see his reason.

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PETA doesnt even like animals.
I have a dog, i eat and feed him meat as well.
Vegans need to stfu and stop telling others what they should eat

baka why can't I just have pets and eat animals at the same time? fuckin autist

>>129517699
because scientifically speaking, once a change becomes so small that it cannot be measured, for all intents and purposes, it does not exist.

so one individual person buying or not buying meat from a store has zero impact on the billion dollar factory farming industry

>>129518184
we can. Canadians just like to fuck things up

How about people who put animal lives over human? I unfortunately know some people like this.

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>>129498413
>Mental gymnastics

Okay, OP.
>A loved one goes in debt and loses their house, and is forced to become homeless
Wouldn't you help them? I would

>Someone in the Philippines has their house flooded, and they're forced onto their roof top, with nowhere to go
I'm assuming you'd take care of them right?
There's starving children all over Africa.
Why aren't you over there helping them?

My point is that there's no mental gymnastics. It's not even a thought. I don't have to think about the animal I'm eating, even when I killed it myself; I don't have to think "Wow, my cat is an animal too".

I'm a fisherman. I've filleted fish alive, boiled lobsters alive, and I've broken the claws off of a crab just for fun. I have a deep emotional connection with my pets though. Why don't I feel guilty? Why do I not feel guilty about not helping the starving children around the world?
You call it "Mental gymnastics", but there's no effort. It's just the way humans are.

Obviously, I'm not using that as justification. What is good, really?
Why become a vegan? The agricultural revolution is what allowed us to overpopulate. Simply farming your organic tea berries is doing more ecological harm than me fishing.

>>129519006
they might go on a rampage. Do not associate too close to them

realistically speaking, though, just don't expect them to help you if you need help.

>>129508787
>Not all tools are hammers.

Learn to read.

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just eat Soy, its good for you

>>129498413
>Canadian
How much do you wanna bet this guy is a dog hating muslim

>>129498413
Eat shit

>>129519242
Sure, they care more about their dogs than about people who "accidentally" get bitten by them. They've already gone on rampage.

>>129498413
You can't eat dogs and cats. It's fucking bad for you seeing as they carry parasites like fuck. Anyway go cook up that family pet you retard because you clearly don't understand the concept of companionship and are a sad, lonely individual.

Guessing youre a Chink in Vancouver but I'm a racist.

>>129498413

Fuck dogs and their idiot owners.

My mom bought an inexpensive townhouse (her last move as she is sick and elderly) that has a backyard separated from the neighbor with only a fence. She didn't know the neighbor had two yappy dogs that bark nonstop when they are outdoors. The neighbor lets the dogs outside all hours of the night and early morning, waking my elderly mom up every fucking time. The dogs are never walked, only let out into the tiny backyard.

My mom's quality of life has gone downhill since moving into the house all because of these fucking dogs and their asshole owner.

Mom regrets buying the house and I've gone as far as offering to kill the dogs (joking of course!) for her sanity. I got her one of those ultrasonic dog barking machines- doesn't fucking work. I've complained to the HOA on her behalf- they don't give a shit.

TFW she dies and the house becomes mine I am renting out the place to the scuzziest, loudest drug addled people with the most amount of children I can find.

herbivore here. animals are 100% below humans, its just how evolution worked out. we are not all equal species and whoever thinks we are is retarded. the problem a lot of people have with animal products and such is the poor treatment towards the animals. i dont see a problem with eating meat, its a natural instinct and how humans have lived for thousands of years. but the factories and slaughterhouses and shit like that are completely inhumane and atrocious, even for species that are less than humans. it would be a waste to treat animals like people, and give them an easy death, but its fucked up to pack them into small cages and inject them with hormones until they balloon 10x normal size.
the patrician way to eat meat is to kill it yourself, whether you hunt it straight from the wild or raise it on your own.

tldr: animals are below humans, but have some fucking respect

>>129520300
tell her to either call the police and file a noise complaint, or push a tylenol PM into a piece of meat

>>129520504
yea the factories are savage but we have to kill billions of them each year how else could you do it

>>129521123
>have to
no you dont

>>129520691

There's an HOA meeting coming up in a few weeks I'll be attending.

Not that I've done any research on the subject, as I'm a peace-loving pacifist, but tylenol pm wont do dick besides aid a short nap. Rodentcide (the shit that tastes like peanut butter) wrapped in uncooked bacon might do the trick if I were a Bond villain type.

>>129498413
I like to torture hamsters.

>>129521457
in order to meet the demand this is how it has to be, hunting is fucking impossible, i don't live in the middle of nowhere
either that or push the price of it to ridiculous levels

Dogs eat meat, why shouldn't I? Why should I endanger my pet's healthy diet by putting us both on vegan-fag diets?

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>>129498413
Fuck u i <3 my kitty

>>129498413
That's not even Peta's position (peta thinks humans and animals shouldn't interact at all and actually kill pets becaude of some twisted sense of dignity). You're grouping two completely separate premises as though in order to value one you must also value the other.

Thinking animals shouldn't be treated with unnecessary cruelty DOES NOT automatically necessitate that you think they are equal to humans on any sort of cognitive level.

Owning a pet doesn't mean you consider it your equal. It's basically slavery that you don't get goods or profitable services out of. Kinda like a private harem of dancers.

>>129498413
>Hate animals
Spot the shitskin.