Classical Western Art

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>>129483673
I prefer romanticism.

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Are sculptures allowed?

Bernini was the best there was, btfo Michelangelo on the daily

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>>129485224
I can't get enough of this one

Love this shit

>>129485509
samson?

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>>129485509
Samson was the 90's comic book anti-hero that The Bible needed.

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>>129486097
I have no idea

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>>129486999
It makes sense that there would be a net but I have never seen or heard about it before.
Interesting.

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>>129483673

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/comfy/

Makes me almost depressed knowing we won't get art like this again, nothing that captures the emotion of a scene like these.

>>129489987
That's why its our duty to keep it alive. Don't let them Kangz try to rewrite history and take it away from us.

pls answer

https://strawpoll.com/829gffr

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bbump it's been a long time since we have a thread like this. I blame the (((mods))) who are trying to erase the identity of /pol/

>>129486097
hercules

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>>129483673
Botticelli's Venus

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>>129490576

John William Godward

> Godward was born in 1861 and lived in Wilton Grove, Wimbledon. He was born to Sarah Eboral and John Godward (an investment clerk at the Law Life Assurance Society, London).[2](pp17–19) He was the eldest of five children. He was named after his father John and grandfather William. He was christened at St. Mary's Church in Battersea on 17 October 1861. The overbearing attitude of his parents made him reclusive and shy later in adulthood.

>He was a protégé of Sir Lawrence Alma-Tadema, but his style of painting fell out of favour with the arrival of painters such as Picasso. He committed suicide at the age of 61 and is said to have written in his suicide note that "the world is not big enough for myself and a Picasso".[1]

> His already estranged family, who had disapproved of his becoming an artist, were ashamed of his suicide and burned his papers. No photographs of Godward are known to survive.

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>>129491167

thread theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blONy6BsISM

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Giuliano de Medici's tomb.

>>129486965
G O T H E D
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original

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>>129483673

How can we spin this to make it political?

Bumping for quality art

>>129489550
That's not a net separating the pit from the seats.
It's a series of ropes hangin above the whole stadium to hang canopies from, to shade the crowd from the sun.

>>129491671
It already is political anyone who tries to revive this style is ostracised

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>>129491671
Art is a direct result of a nations culture which is therefore political in nature.

thread theme
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tELGpepmCQI

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>>129486965
GAULED

>>129491499
do you mean "gauled"?

>>129483824
beautiful.

>>129491665
lmao

>>129490425
>"Crown Prince Friedrich Wilhelm contemplating the corpse of general Abel Douay" (GER: "Kronprinz Friedrich Wilhelm an der Leiche des Generals Abel Douay") by Anton von Werner (9th of May 1843 - 4th of January 1915), created: 1. January 1888.

This painting shows Prussian Crown Prince Friedrich Willhelm III. and other Prussian officers paying their respect to the corps of French General Abel Douay during the Franco-Prussian War. General Douay was ordered to take his 2. Division to a highly exposed position near Weißenburg. They arrived at the third of August 1870 and were surprised by the German Third Army lead by the Crown Prince at dawn of the fourth. They had taken position on a hill when Duoay was killed during the adjustment of a Mitrailleuse (a French grapeshot cannon, sort of like an oversized shotgun). General Douay became known in Germany because of this painting.

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anyone got more from the romantic era?

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W-will you guys take American art?

>>129492682
I don't have those paintings from the romantic era. sorry lad. I'm running out of my dump too

https://youtu.be/xP5MfjW9TuU za

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The Last Templar

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>>129492923
it's good. we are not elitists. We cherish the glorious past of western history a like

>>129493257
What's the story here?

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>>129493257
I only wish we had more than just, like, three pieces of art we turn to, you know?

>>129493340
“The Bell of Huesca is a legend describing how Ramiro II of Aragon, the Monk, cut off the heads of twelve nobles who did not obey him. The legend is told in the 13th-century anonymous Aragonese work the Cantar de la campana de Huesca.”

>>129493210
What side would the Roman Empire be on if it survived until WW1?

>>129493559
Hard to say, depends on the era of the Roman Empire. A better question would be, what countries would side with the Roman Empire, not the other way around, considering so many laid claim to being their successors.

It would likely come down to the type of emperor was in charge, Augustus, Caracalla, etc., would likely not have done the same thing.

>>129493559
that's a real tough question desu. Depends how large it would have been at the time. Would they still want to conquer all of Europe? They'd still try to conquer Germany of course. Would france still be in their possession?

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>>129493982
holy fucking shit. How did I not see these before? Incredible.

>>129493559
The roman empire definitely will side with the fascists to bring back society under the traditionalist's rule.

>>129491943
Is this Polish art?

>>129489793
look like a bunch of gypos

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>>129494001
>They'd still try to conquer Germany of course
They never really tried to conquer Germania. Even going back to Marius and the Jutes, the Romans did not consider the region to be worth conquering due to lack of resources and riches.

Even in the time of Augustus, Teutoburg Forest was not considered a big loss, in terms of overall goals, more of a blunder.

When Goths got uppity, Romans just went into Germania and slashed and burned everything, then went home.

This is the same argument people use with the Parthians, but people forget that Rome sacked their capitol fives times (Ctesiphon), won almost every battle, occupied Mesopotamia, and withdrew, as they didn't feel it was worth the hassle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxOIB8qQtZ0

>>129494609
Well I guess i kinda learned a different perspective in school. I was told that Augustus was so devastated by the loss of his whole legion led by Varus that the Romans stopped all their plans of conquering Germania for decades to come.

>>129494152
The Romans would likely side against the Germans and Ottomans, especially, for a number of reasons. Gaul (France) has always had a good relation with Italy since Charlamagne, and Russia considered itself the third Rome at the time. So, probably not.

Also Fascism was a mid-twentieth century Italian concept and wasn't a thing in WW1 or ever before.

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>>129486965
Mayb I raep

>>129495015
Holy shit, that is priceless

>>129494865
Nah, Augustus really didn't care, no one in Rome did for the most part. Check out Augustus, by Adrian Goldsworthy (or anything by him). He is the standard on on Rome and the best writer I have ever come across for that subject.

The Jutes that Marius faced were the best Rome had faced, in terms or Germania aggression, and was a really underrated time going on. It got so serious that Rome had to have military reforms and start a proper professional army of paid soldiers, hence, the Marian Reforms. Up until that point, they were all levies, a militia. Not even Hannibal caused enough havoc to cause a military reform.

>>129495015

/thread

we need more threads like this, bless you lads

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>>129495593
We used to have threads like this weekly. Nu/pol/ fucking sucks.

>>129495307
very interesting. That's why I love history man. You always learn some other perspective which changes your whole thinking. Thanks!

>>129495887
florence is/was really beautiful

>>129491604
thots never change

>>129495840
Np, Deutschbro. History is a very interesting subject (to me). It is really interesting when you can get something that have reliable sources with little political agenda coupled with good writing.

>>129495987
Agreed. Probably the nicest current city in Italy, imo. Padua and Bologna are very nice as well.

>>129496078
It really is. Reading "The Rise and Downfall of Prussia" right now and it is fascinating.

>>129496029
I have never seen this one, thank you.

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Slaget ved visby, one of my favourite paintings.
note the merchant btw

>>129496078
can you recommend me some good books you've read?

>>129496810
this is expressionism right?

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>>129489987
There are still artists very well trained and skilful today who make impressive art.
Are you sure you're not getting the vibe from the historical value of the pieces, instead of the actual technique ?
I'm not saying it makes these paintings any less incredible but I have an intuition most of the awe that I get from some comes mainly from the "looking way back" thing.
Your phrase read a bit like "- depressed knowing we'll never have 1800's photographs ever made again."

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>>129497570

I had the "luxury" of staying in a loft above an art gallery for a few days. Most was post modern expressionist. I have also had the luxury of just sitting in a master painters house, and his studio to see beautiful pieces before they were finished.

Whenever these threads come up I almost weep for western civilization. These pieces landmark the evolution of westerners, its marked by love, war, death, peace, faith, ingenuity, and self reflection.

Then I go back to the modern art I saw, worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, and die a little inside.

/pol/ these are the moments where you shine. In these dark times of rampant shilling, and skinhead larping, these paintings exemplify what makes the west great. There are no statistics, no conjecture, just see for yourself. We should make these a daily dump, they are political, and FAR more powerful than some of the stupid shit on this board. Keep the memes, they are the future, but reflect on the past as well.

>>129495981
I want a fat one of these hanging in my room for some reason.

>>129483673

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHw4MMEnmpc

I'm surprised no one has posted this documentary yet. Perfectly complements the subject of this thread. Which is the cultivation of beauty in visual art.

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>>129497745
this

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>>129497756
The ship is still around, its called the Frigate of Jutland/Fregatten Jylland, today its a museum's ship.

>>129497570
Is this from Rembrandt? I have never seen this painting before, but it looks like his style.

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>>129498461
yup, you have good eyes

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>tfw even women in paintings stare back at you with disgust

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>>129498958
>tfw even bartender women in paintings look at me that way too

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>>129498675
I will keep bumping, but I don't know if anyone want to see more.

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>>129499219
>you will never eat lunch in the middle of the woods with some naked women and your bro

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>>129499219

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>tfw even when I'm literally the king of spain everybody stares at me like i'm some kind of weirdo

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>>129499557
kek

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For reference, L-H-O-O-Q when pronounced with french pronunciation of the letters sounds like

>ell ach oh oh quoo

which phonetically kinda sounds like

>elle a chaud au cul

which translate to

>she has a hot ass

not making this shit up m8s

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This

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>>129492625

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>>129500029
another great duchamp, literally a shovel.

the work is titled
>prelude to a broken arm


>tfw you will never rustle as many jimmies in the art world as duchamp did

>>129500172
that photograph is so incredible, i've been a fan of it ever since it came out. The million-dollar moment in it for me is the guard on the left who breaks the symmetry of the image when trying to take a peek at what Putin's expression is. Like holy shit I'm stealing that and running for the hills because it's more brilliant than anything I could have ever thought up on my own.

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>tfw your paintings are worth $100 million dollars but only decades after you already killed yourself
it creeps me out sometimes how many parallels there are between Basquiat and Van Gogh

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>tfw you make a portrait of a lady friend that is so sexy that even the French are somehow shocked and offended by it

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>>129497745
well said.

>>129501004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POVAbTjiAt4

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>>129501238
looks neat, maybe I'll show this to my mother she's a huge Sargent fan.

pop quiz, which painting that is in this thread served as the compositional inspiration for this piece?

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>tfw your mom still doesn't understand you when you tell her that your love of traps was shared even by the greeks

>>129502261
>tfw you're so insecure about your love of traps that you have artisans imitate the greeks in their sculpting style when they make portraits of you

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>>129501874
you don't know educate me

>>129483673
Who's got the one where the whites where replaced with blacks and god was replaced with a black woman

>>129502430
*I

>>129502430
nah take a shot at it, you can observe this purely with visuals, to make it easier i'll say that it's one that I posted in the thread.

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>>129490344
Beautiful

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>tfw you try to explain to people that your love of BBW is shared with people back tens of thousands of years ago but nobody believes you

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Can somebody provide a FUCKING MEGA LINK?

It that too much to ask?

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>tfw you hate yourself for literally murdering someone so much that you turn yourself into the disembodied head of Goliath

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>tfw you repulse women so much that they'd rather turn themselves into a fucking tree than have sex with you

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>>129483673

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>>129497745
Agreed. These threads revive and connect us.

Post some poetry or segments of literature as well.

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Thanks for the thread guys, lets do this more often.

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>>129498801
Thank you. I hope they will reconstruct his house where he was born in 1606 one day. The last remnants of his house were demolished in 1927.

>>129503090
is it this one ?>>129499557
bonus question: what books do you recommend to learn about these thing ? Are you a painter? I'm a pleb since I saved most of these painting from /pol/. I have no artistic education on my own.

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Not a painting or statue, but still aesthetic af

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>>129497745
Yes.

>>129490378
This is awesome

Could you lads post some contexts with your pictures next time please?

>>129486965
/pol/ the painting.

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>>129505128
>Henri Rousseau
>Known as 'Le Douanier', not an artist but a toll and tax collector
>Ridiculed during his lifetime for his 'shitty' art
>Still better than contemporary art

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>>129499557
>picasso version

>>129504415
i've been to the museum that restored his home from in Amsterdam it's pretty dope, if you're ever up in Amster Amster Amster Damn Damn Damn I recommend popping in for a bit.

>>129504616
you're correct! If you keep your eyes open, the painting you linked, Las Meninas by Velasquez, is one of the most influential paintings of all time, mostly for that trope where the subjects stare back at you. A lot of the ones I posted of women staring back at you are partly inspired by it as an example.

And I am an artist who double-majored in art and art history in college. Beyond what I learned in college, I'll read books like you said.

If you can take paintings you like here and reverse-google search them, you can find out who painted them, when they were made, where they were made, and the era that art historians classify them in today (like Baroque, Renaissance, Rococo, Impressionist, etc)

You can learn a lot by finding books or online lectures about particular eras or artists.

Khan Academy probably would be a great start to get primed before digging deep into the lingo of art history texts (although most are made for a general audience so you shouldn't be scared) https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/art-history

>>129505650
How do you feel as an artist in a postmodern world?

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>>129483673
2700 year old sculpture, found in Europe.

>>129505650
What is an artist and how are you one?

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>>129490425
It strikes me how proud and dignified people used to be in those times.

>>129505958
I already asked the same thing.

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>>129489550

>>129505650
That picture was taken in Leiden, where is he born. His workshop & house was in Amsterdam, which is still authentic.

>>129506096
>Veni acá mamacita

>>129505568
Thanks, I think stuff like that should be a requirement

>>129497745
Frankly, western is an euphemism for european/new world european.

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>>129483673
Add a couple

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>>129483673
2

>>129505850>>129505958


i like it actually. the scope of what an artist is is incredibly broad today.

Artists ever since the renaissance (even all the way back to the 1500s with the Baroque) have been trying to broaden what is allowed in art because they feel restricted by the rules. Subject matter, painting style, and even audience were very restricted.

You may not realize it, but there are a broad range of styles of painting in this thread and a lot of them were very controversial when they first hit the scene. You can't really sum this up as classical vs modern/post-modern/contemporary.

Now, I think we've gotten closer to true freedom of expression than ever. And even if it means I'm sharing a gallery with wacko silly stuff, that means that the kind of work I make myself has even more creative power since I chose to make what I make instead of the wacko stuff. I can make art that is truly my own and isn't subject to any set standards on what art should or shouldn't be. (plus I kinda like the wacko stuff too because it's hilarious seeing people get angry about it)
As for what I make, I do some painting, some drawing, and comics because I'm a dork. I'm big into post-impressionists so my paintings and drawings are similar to their stuff.

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>>129483673
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>>129483673
Modern art?

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>>129508223
Always get crap for this one but it is art not porn.
You can find better pedo material on you tube you freeks.

>>129497577
that is what he's saying-having not replied to any one art piece

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>>129483673
define "western" and define "classical" please

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>>129505625
I love picasso's studies of "classic" works of art. They're pretty wild.

For reference, here's another one he did of Las Meninas, the same painting. He did like 30 and it's fascinating seeing him trying to understand each painting in different styles.

>>129491402
Brilliant man

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>>129507758
I definitely share your opinion on post-impressionism, did you know the Japanese were really interested in this style too? Van Gogh related.

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>>129506531
que?
i dont speak italian

>>129490378
stupid meaningless shit.

>>129509323
Now that you mention it I can see that being true, although I never heard it said before now. They definitely are super into Van Gogh. Kinda makes the whole appropriation going on with the late 19th cent painters kinda ripping off Japanese art less morally messy if Japanese people themselves are into it.

for fun here's a Kurosawa short film about him dreaming of meeting Van Gogh (played by Martin Scorsese of all people)
https://vimeo.com/30858483#at=3

>>129507834

who painted this?

so beautiful.

wish i had a submissive wife with those features.

would impregnate her at leas 3 times.

>>129510219
reverse image search says Jules Joseph Lefebvre. and don't let your dreams be dreams.

>>129510219

found it

http://www.ngv.vic.gov.au/explore/collection/work/76694/

Reminds me of:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William-Adolphe_Bouguereau

Gorgeous models and paintings.

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Do you think art should return to the place where it was created? I visited an Jheronimus Bosch exhibition two years ago and it was so beautiful to see so much of is works brought together.

>>129510390

I have been married before. I was actually married to a beautiful woman. She was a different kind of beauty, less slim, with bigger hips, and breasts, but with similar delicate facial features.

I was so in love with her but she hurt me so much and so I hurt her as well.

We were a terrible match.

She divorced me 2 years ago and I still dream about her almost everyday.

Difference being, it does not hurt anymore. I wake up with a smile and carry on with my day.

Still, would love to have a family someday with another woman just as beautiful.

But I know that it won't happen.

Thank you for your kindness, anon.

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>>129510070
Thanks! I'll enjoy that film.

On a different note I think we should have threads like these for more disciplines than paintings and architecture, I mean we're in a culture war after all.

>Caspar David Friedrich
>The Abbey in the Oakwood
>1809

>>129511365
>when you show your mates the nudes your gf sent you

>>129511125
What happened to WAG (Western Art General)? We should restart it and have a theme each time. Paintings. Sculptures. Architecture. Stories. Poetry. Philosophy. Would probably be a good idea to write a little about each post too.

And my favorite painting

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>>129497745

As most polacks here, I am a very jaded man that has as little contact as possible with normies.

I see the destruction of beauty everyday in our world.

I come to /pol everyday just to confirm that things have not changed, nor they will change; things will get worse down the road.

and yet I come to these art threads and see the beautiful women, the children, the landscape, and it resonates with the sublime in my soul, makes me yearn for culture, community, homeland and a sense of belonging that's almost gone forever nowadays.

threads like this one remind me that despite how senseless life is, there is a glimmer of hope as long as we are alive, as long as we can, at the very least, change of our own lives while the entire world goes to hell.

sometimes you remind me that there's a bit of hope, /pol.

>>129510219
Wish i knew got it here
name ? artist?

>>129511976

here

http://www.ngv.vic.gov.au/explore/collection/work/76694/

You can admire the painting there.

Seeing all of these great paintings, I was thinking myself
Has Africa ever created anything nearly as good as these art pieces? Any paintings? Any statues? Anything?
Was ancient Egypt their peak?

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>>129511721
I already started...
making classical stuff. mostly inspired by 16th century stuff from Amsterdam/Delft (I used to liver there).
However, what should it be about?
even 'beauty' is already considered boring (even by me). so what is left?

>>129510981

man up anon, and reconsider your thinking

"But I know that it won't happen." then that is what you will get

Reframe. expectations are know to affect how you perceive reality

https://archive.org/stream/asmanthinketh00alleiala/asmanthinketh00alleiala_djvu.txt

read that to start. its in line with modern psychology, but its short and good to know

fight on, brother

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>>129512256

nothing as remarkable.

have had this discussion with a professor of mine recently. he agreed with me that not all cultures are equal, which surprised me because he is an old man with a great mind but some left leaning beliefs.

he did agree in the end though that some cultures are objectively superior and better than others.

>>129512256
>>129512504

What about female artists, could almost say the same thing.

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William-adolphe Bouguereau.

>>129511695
Ha; gotta start using the technique of whipping a sheet off the phone - gets the oohs and ahhs.

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La Soif (Thirst)

William-adolphe Bouguereau

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The Little Knitter

William-adolphe Bouguereau

>>129486999
it never really hit me how fucking awesome the Colosseum was

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>>129512678
true, Judith Leyster is probably the only female painter of the golden age.
But Africa didnt even have a single artist at all...

>>129512678

he always shits on women so that's a given with him.

he says that women are just good at marketing themselves but aren't, in general, as talented.

there are, obviously, exceptions to this rule but that's what they are... exceptions.

men are indisputably better in any field/area/discipline you can think of.

>>129489673

sublime. thank you.

>>129512678
Sure, make a list of the last millenniums greatest creators/artists and males would most definitively dominate that list.
Just dont tell women that or they will start with their muuuuh feminism! But patriarchy!

>>129513262
I'm pretty sure if we still had Colosseum's I'd go watch

>>129491673
abstract art pls go

man, I once had this 1800s esque portrait of some moody pissed off looking man sat in a gloomy room on a chair. Loved it and lost the picture, if anyone has it please post it, i've been looking forever

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>>129483673
WHY DEM BLACK FOLKS ONLY PAINT WHYTE PEOPLE?

>>129491809
Is that true? Wouldn't surprise me. It'd be like the polar opposite of The Fountainhead though

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>>129498740
What is this? Looking for more info on the pic

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>>129513593
We now have small octagons and rules, pretty lame.

>Oath of the horatii
>Jacques-Louis David
>1786

>>129492923
Damn, look at all those American flags

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>>129483673
Here's a painter I don't think gets enough recognition, Hans Makart.

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>>129512256
egypt obviously has a remarkable art history, and western art is in severe debt to it because greek art and architecture builds directly off of the Egyptians

African historically has had purposes that are completely independent of western art. It usually is religious tools, like masks or thrones. Or textiles. The Benin Bronzes are pretty famous examples of bronze sculpture. And there's a lot of fascinating christian art and architecture from Ethiopia, like these churches that were constructed by carving the ground while digging downward. Extremely painstaking but a beautiful end-result.

You really can't compare their stuff to Western art because they weren't trying to make things the way western artists were and western artists weren't trying to be like African artists (until the early 20th century with people like Picasso discovering african art and ripping it off)