Why was Christianity so successful? It started as irrelevant

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Bump, do you know any Christians in real life? Exactly, so how the fuck it survived to this day?

That's what happens when the super power at the time chooses you to be their religion. Is it really that hard for you to understand?

>>129483665
God's grace.

>>129483665
because it easily gains popularity among the weak part of society

>>129484327
That super power collapsed in the late 400s.

>>129483665
Because of it's attractive and effective belief system.

>>129483665
There were so many poor people during those times. Miserable dregs of humanity. A paradise after death sounded way better then what they had.

eventually it starts catching on with the liberal noble refugees welcome crowd. It was really popular with the noble women

>>129484661
And new people continue to put wood on the fire.

>>129483665
it spreads to the right people, white men

This world is suffering, people can relate to the cross, it gives the suffering meaning

>>129483665

Metaphysical and philosophical Truth. That is what happened.

I used to be a hardcore atheist nietsche lover. But when i actually started to read the new testament i quickly grew out of that larping nonsense.

>>129483665
When you come out and speak the truth, even if it's not exactly right, people recognize it.

Jews are liars.

>>129483665
Because it was the true religion. God sparked it at the right place and right time to make it succeed against all odds. Spiritual manifest destiny has made Christianity the great power it is today.

>>129485359
>Metaphysical and philosophical Truth. That is what happened.

You really think this is why the average Christian is Christian? I doubt the average South American or African Christian knows the ins and outs of it.

>>129484327
The real question is why did Constantine decide to go Christian, how did it spread to convince the emperor of the Romans. (Legit question, please explain if you know because I have no idea.)

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>>129483665
Because it is true

>>129485545
Islam is soon to be the largest religion in the world and controls virtually all of North Africa and Asia Minor both of which were previously Christian lands. They control the city of Alexandria and the Constantinople. If Islam succeeds in continuing to push out Christianity, won't people say about Islam what you just said about christianity?

>>129483665
because its one true religion.
because it assimilated and absorbed all the best from all people and cultures

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>>129483665
Because it's living religion there are still revelations in our times some people just do not listen and do not want to hear

>>129485929
Great video explains it in detail
https://youtu.be/W0GCJfhjEYw

>>129486085
my ass
only reason islam represents something is due to fact that you are aiding them

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>>129484661
The church used the exact same system the Roman Empire put together, to enforce its rule.
Christianity was also very successful because it gave stability to the region, especially when everyone had the same God. If everyone is the same religion, they will honor treaties, alliances, and they all answer to a single absolute authority, who is in theory above Kings, the Pope. Non-Christians don't have any unifying figure of the Pope, and thus could not be depended on ultimately to uphold their treaties. For example, if a Catholic King start randomly disobeying his treaties, and war dictations by the Pope, he would be excommunicated, and be open to legal assassination, for someone else to take over as King.

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>>129483665
Becauset he truth prevails
Also, you can't bump your own thread faggot (with the same ID)

>>129486085
Not really, I mean we really do know how Islam succeded since day one, and it's by the sword.

And while I'm not a christian and dont believe it's "the truth" or any such bullshit, I do find it's ways of spreading quite mysterious. (at least for the early days) (then of course, sword).

>>129485929
The same way Clovis king of the Franks did.
He wanted to win the big battle.

He also wanted 1 god, 1 ruler. No more fucking around with 3000 different pagan gods.
It was a slow process.

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>>129485929
he saw a cross in the sky the day before a great decisive battle with his enemy and he put the cross as a symbol for his soldiers to wear and the next day he was victorious

and so christianity became the religions of the empire

>>129485765
truth manifests itself even without being known.

>>129483665
at the end of the day, the soul exists, and the One fullness who gave each and every single living thing its soul was willing to come into the material existence, and experience death with us, and offer us his life in exchange for our transgressions against universal law.

Sins are real anon, and they hurt the soul

Because it's the greatest civilizing force in the world.

>>129486194
Thanks ! Watching that immediately.

>>129486294
Clovis "converted" because he was a Frank, already latinized and wanted that sweet church support and money.

>>129486451
Not Christian, sorry, I dont buy it.

>>129485929
I don't know for sure. I could guess and say that if it hadn't been Christianity, it would have been some other monotheistic religion that you'd be asking the same question about. Christianity is in general an appealing set of beliefs that offer structure in difficult times. And I think his wife may have been a big fan, but I'm not sure.

If you think the Christian God is real then that would also explain it.

>>129483665
because it is the truth

>>129486085
No because Christianity has built Western Civilization and more importantly was the foundation for the greatest country in the world: America. When Islamic values create the greatest countries, societies, and economies on Earth, then we'll talk.

Even so, since human action dictates the spread of Christianity, its success is bound to the limits of what people can do. God chose the best of all possible timelines, which doesn't require the results to always be perfect or dominant.

>>129486710
I'm talking about Constantine, not you, i don't give a fuck about you

>>129486241
>only reason islam represents something is due to fact that you are aiding them

America aided the Muslims when they took Constantinople?

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>>129486085
>if

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>>129486663
But he changed sides when he was losing a big battle.

>>129484165
I like this painting.

>>129487082
he either saw it or had a dream about it. But you better believe that was all PR to make it sound more divine than it was in reality

>>129486289
>Not really, I mean we really do know how Islam succeded since day one, and it's by the sword.
And? It has worked very well so far.

>>129487078
And the Muslims will say that Islamic society is the greatest society. In fact they already do.

>>129487239
Pictures mean nothing. You are the right wing equivalent of the liberal who cries over the drowned refugee boy.

>>129487082
And I'm telling you, I'm not buying this piece of church propagande you just uttered.

>>129487496
There aren't any atheists in foxholes.

>>129484327
That still doesn't explain it's continued success against the Pagans well after the Roman empire collapsed.

>>129487720
nobody cares about what you think

>>129487720
if you don't want to hear what constantine believed then why did you ask?

>>129487726
Monotheism is better than polytheism, Christianity is appealing to many people for many reasons, and other powerful entities had converted to Christianity by the time Rome had fallen. Are you bewildered that communism is still around even though the ussr and marx are both dead?

>>129487726
It's like /pol/. If you consider it seriously and decide it's right, or at least mostly right, the chances are low that anybody will be able to convince you that you were wrong.

Why? Well, /pol/ is always right. /pol/ is a Christian board. There are still a lot of pagans on /pol/ but they're not very convincing.

>>129488115
>Monotheism is better than polytheism
In what sense?

>>129485765

Thats a valid observation you make right there. There are a large number of things at play when it comes to this question.

According to the scriptures, Yahsuah came in the fullness of time. that frase, the fullness of time, carries a lot of metaphysical meaning. God, being the living mind of the universe, receives and sustains all information continuously. Thus, He was able to pick the exact time and place for Yahsuah (jesus) to appear in order to have maximum effect. This is, in short, the meaning of "fullness of time". It also gives us clear insight into the nature of God.

Also remember that humanity experienced an exponential growth. the amount of people who lived before the virth of Jesus only constitute a few percent of the whole of humanity ever lived.

Amazing stuff to think about.

>>129487936
I asked for explanations.
Not church propaganda.

>>129483665

Because it spoke of Truth in a time where there wasn't any.

Think about the alternative moral philosophies of the time; petty pagan pantheons that offered quirky mythological stories but had no real lasting substance. The structures were terrible, you would have one god that would approve of one morality while another equal god would disapprove. Most of these moral structures fell apart to critical scrutiny, while Christianity was coopted with Neo-Platonism from the Greeks to have a much better philosophical standing along with its mythology.

On top of that, Christianity was probably the first major universal religion that accepted anyone regardless of race, culture, socio-economic status or personal history. You didn't have to be this jewish to be a rabbi, or this hot to be an Aphrodite acolyte, or this clean to be a brahman. Since everyone was accepted, people could junk their old gods, whom perhaps they were out of favor with, and adopt a new God who was more forgiving and would accept them regardless.

>>129488409
It's more efficient at uniting people under one set of beliefs and purposes. Whether it makes more sense philosophically is up to you

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>>129483665
one of the eastern roman emperors after Constantine. A member of the Constantine dynasty

Emperor Julian (Julian, The Apostate), The Last Pagan

relapsed into paganism and grew a giant beard. He then when on to write a book about beards called "the beard hater"

>>129488642
and i gave you the explanation?

or were you expecting a deconstruction

>>129489201
The thing is, the cross in the sky story, sounds extremely like a PR move from the church. I want the real reasons, not the propaganda bit w were told to believe.

>>129483665
Because it's truth.

>>129487114
no
[spoiler] that were traitor balkanites and hungarian guy and later french during ottoman-habsburg wars[/spoiler]

>>129489794
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>>129484165
>bumping your own thread
HAHAHAHAHA
>do you know any Christians in real life? Exactly, so how the fuck it survived to this day?
>Finland
Well, there's your problem.

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>>129483665
because white people adopted it.

>>129483665
Christianity wasn't successful. Europe was successful DESPITE Christianity. Europe was doing fine progressively before the dark ages and the plague. We'd probably be further along if it wasn't for Christianity and it's retarded sub religions holding everything back and bringing the focus more towards the eternal afterlife rather than advancing and preserving the world you actually live in.

>>129492754
This.
kike-on-a-stick religion is even worse than islam. At least the sandnigs are open about their bloody and violent history

>>129493011
>4D taqqiya

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>>129492754
>muh dark ages

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>>129492754

a flat out falsehood. Almost all major scientific discoveries made in the past were done by people who considered themselves christians.

>>129493370
Behead all who insult the religion of piss!

>>129484539
No, that would be liberalism.

>>129484165
It survived because it is a good and honest religion that preaches morality my Khan.
It held countries together and built some of the greater empires on the planet, yours excluded of course.

>>129486451
So confirmation bias?

>>129493754
where did you get this misconception that christians can't do science? We accept his scientific theory as long as they are scientifically sound and evidenced.
Of course his kike-on-stick religious ideas are rejected.

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>>129484165

Try ask the man himself.

>>129483665
>started as irrelevant sect of Judaism
nope
Jesus was not a Pharisee. Pharisees invented Judaism hundreds of years after Christ. Judaism in Christ's time did not exist unless you count the Oral Laws of Pharisees as Judaism.

>>129492754
You are a fucking retard. The Dark Ages has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with a long period of decline in the Roman Empire and the sociopolitical turmoil that followed afterward.

If anything, religious scholars and local churches served as some of our sole sources of records, and worked to preserve information from antiquity from the wars and current happenings of Europe.

In all seriousness, you need to neck yourself, you stupid faggot. I don't give a shit what your opinion on Christianity is, but there's no excuse for being this retarded.

>>129494366
Why wouldn't you? The oral laws and traditions of the Pharisees were written down into the Talmud which was then developed into a new priesthood system with Rabbinical Judaism. It's one continuous movement.

>>129493754
Irrelevant. If Christianity hadn't taken over, they wouldn't be Christians but they'd still have made the same discoveries. It wasn't BECAUSE of Christianity. A European made those discoveries, whether or not he was Christian doesn't really mean anything.

>>129494278
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>>129493754
Back than everyone was Christian. The question is did the religion actually help them or hurt them? Like what specifically about the religion would lead you to being hostile or friendly to science?

One thing I can tell you is that Christians being uncomfortable with scientific truths that contradict dogma is not new. Even in the middle ages the smart people were starting to suspect all sorts of things that contradicted dogma: that miracles are really just hallucinations or creative stories, that there is no afterlife because nothing surivives death, that matter isn't 'created' so Yawheh is not actually a creator God at all.

>>129483665
Because the Roman and Byzantine empires made them huge in Europe.

>>129483665
>white person doesn't understand Christianity
what else is new

>>129483665
>Why was Christianity so successful?
They had a bunch of claims of miracles, promises of paradise for followers, and once they took power they killed everyone who didn't convert

>>129492449
It took a long fucking time for them to.
Originally the whites were killing off early Christians in droves.

>It started as irrelevant sect of Judaism

Wrong, it reject Judaic laws and customs entirely.

I mean, the nail him to a cross over it ffs

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>>129494278

literally kill yourself, not like internet bantz but literally kill yourself.

>>129494394

There is no point in arguing with atheists mate. Their minds are closed and thus, they severely suffer from a lack of information wich only leads to circular reasoning and quite frankly, utter stupidity. Fools professing themselves to be wise and producing nothing but bad fruits and degeneracy. Fuck them and everything they stand for.

To the edge of the sword with them. And in the Kindom, a life lived in eternal shame. Dont even apologize for it.

>>129494394
And I suppose it's just a coincidence that the Roman Empire declined shortly after adopting Christianity.

>If anything, religious scholars and local churches served as some of our sole sources of records, and worked to preserve information from antiquity from the wars and current happenings of Europe.
Who cares? They weren't the only ones. And they would have done it whether they were Christians or not. Christianity didn't influence the idea that recording history was a good idea, that's just basic common sense.

>>129494742

Do some research... a lot of them flatout tell you it was their religion that inspired them.

>>129484661
>everytime when i see that wrong word

ITS WOLFSHEIM not WOLFSHIEM

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>>129495084

You haven't read the bible anon. Go read it again.

>>129494885
So basically the predecessors to Islam.

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>>129494742

I came to believe because of my studies into physiscs. Especially the philosophical implications of quantum physics.

>>129495094
Lol how can you honestly claim to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ with an attitude like that? You're not supposed to just make shit up as you go, there are actual rules written in a book for you to follow.

>>129483665
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Thessalonica

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>>129484165
I get the context of this piece (of art), but it still made me giggle seeing the Samurai with prayer hands

>>129487704
>And the Muslims will say that Islamic society is the greatest society. I
who gives a fuck what they think. The Christian West produced the best societies the world has seen. That's an objective fact

Judaism is a jewish supremacy sect

Christianism is a sect that downgraded itself to teach subservience and pacifism. It is extremely convenient for a ruler to have your sheeple peasants so the biggest empire of the time choose it to be the official religion.

Plus after this biggest empire felt everything was in chaos and conveniently there was an institution who gave yurop some degree of unity and used and abused this fact to gain power for centuries after that point.

Then you had since 14th-15th centuries a lot of yurop christian nations going to colonize everywhere else in the globe except the arabias

>>129495378

Jesus was a spiritual revolutionary that whipped the money lenders out of the temple and called the jews for what they are, children of the devil.

When "jesus" will come back in his glorified form as micheal, with his angelic armies, he will literally wipe the entire world.

You have no clue as to whats really in the bible, and neither do most modern christians.

>>129486251

The Catholic Church is no longer required. Pedophile priests being hidden from prosecution, priests becoming wealthy (Miami, FL) Rome owns more property than is privately held on Earth. Vatican archives contain volumes of secrets the world deserves to know about, probably including alien involvement in our past. Time for Rome to shut down, spread the wealth around and just go away. I'm sick of Muslims, Catholics and all the other vile sects pretending to represent God. Judgement day will come fast, I hope there's enough room in Hell.

>>129484165
>The gates of hell will not prevail against it.

>>129483665
>Why was Christianity so successful? It started as irrelevant sect of Judaism and today it's the world's largest religion and Jesus the world's most famous man.
Let's be clear, the relationship between Judaism and Christianity is less like parent/child and more like siblings. Modern Judaism developed in Babylon among the Jews held captive there; this is where the Talmud began to develop. Christianity is based on pre-Talmudic Yahwism, which continued to exist in Judea and Samaria (and still exists there to this day) during the captivity. Christ was openly hostile to the Talmudists (The Pharisees) and it was the Talmudists who sentenced him to die.

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>>129495325

actually i'd rather you get killed by some beta antifa bitchboys, you don't deserve to die by your own hands.

Threadly reminder that everything good about Christianity came from its Pagan roots. Remove those elements, and you are left with modern cucked Christianity.

http://i.4cdn.org/gif/1496976512564.webm
>Matthew 10:34

>>129483665
Because it's true and works.

>>129483665
Christianity is not a sect of Judaism, a religion that did not formally exist until centuries after 0 AD.

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>>129483665
yup here we go again with muh faith nonsense, no one cares what you believe in, as long as it isn't a fucked up religion

>>129495872

Judgement day will come in the fullness of time; when the transhumanist agenda has taken its course.

"in those days people will long for death, but death will elude them".

We still have a about 100/200 years to go. But time is relative anyway. Tomorrow we'll meet in the Kingdom.

>>129483665
It has a very strong message, which is both Suffering and Freedom. Now it's a meme, but imagine how powerful was for people to have Hope back at those miserable times. It talks about the real world, how is full of sorrow and misery, but, at the same time, there is Hope in the end through redemption.

Occultists had known this meaning for a long time, but it became "mainstream" thanks to the roman empire.

>>129483665
Sincerely, I could not even imagine a stranger, less improbable achievement.

>>129487722
Just like there isn't any trace of brain activity in xians.
>>129487936
Nah, he never believed in this bullshit, it was simply the most logical decision - the side with the biggest and most fanatical army always wins the battle and the best place you want to be if you want to rule is in front of it.
>>129493717
I read the correct version of this shit - only a complete conservative would take that for anything other than xian apologetics, and miserable one at that.
>>129494366
Incorrect, he was a nazareean, a tiny sect that was like what mormons were 100 years ago to the average xians. And yes, judaism did exist back them, it was in its original levite form.

>>129501023
You mean Xians like in Xanadu?

>>129483665
>Why was Christianity so successful?

because jesus exposed the jews

>>129494898
Have you forgot the way in which xians have dealt with those with slightly different opinions than them? Do you know about the heresies and how they have dealt with them?
>>129494394
Are you completely conservative or something? Xians trying to save information from antiquity? Are you that cretin to actually believe in this obvious bullshit? Come on, the history is known, they have destroyed absolutely everything that could be even in the slightest against their cult and its ideas. the only think they have saved have been their cultish tracts and nothing more.
>>129495602
No, greco-roman societies did, the cult of the crucified jew has fought with all his might against that.
>>129495872
>>129499792
Are you sure you have taken your antipsychotics today? Because you sound more delusional than usual.
>>129501180
Gramps, what are you doing here? Did the temple sent you here to preach to us whippersnappers?

>>129502172
>Gramps
In Xanadu did Kublai Khan a stately pleasure dome declare. It's also a great story about fiat / fag currency.

What do you mean by Xians? Ever been to Chyna?

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