/pol/ communism general

>>129451489
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.
Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.
Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:
Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people. https://www.gommies.gom/fug/ https://www.gommies.gom/starve/
GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here: https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/
It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.
Resources: https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/ https://www.gommies.gom/1984/ https://www.gommies.gom/guck/ https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/ https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/ https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/ https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
Da sdages of gommunism.
Sdage one Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.
Sdade two Withering All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.
Sdage three Gommunism. No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

there is literally nothing wrong with privately exchanging labor

lol franco rekt u

>>129451489
Hello comrade, revolution when?

>>129451489
Capitalism is better

>>129452221

Inefficient

Unstable

Inhumane

reactionary

coercive

>>129452221
Anarcho capitalism is even better

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>>129452367
All I see here are buzzwords that mean nothing but relativity.

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>>129451489

>>129451489
I can never tell if these communist threads are serious or trolling.

Communism is the most retardes ideology known to man. Capitalism works, communism doesn't. Why would anyone want an ideology that doesn't works?

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Communism is:

Efficient

Stable

Humane

onward

Harmonious

>>129453053
KEK.
Have you ever been in a (post)communist coutry?

>>129451489
/leftypol/ was a mistake.

>>129453053
>Efficient
>Stable
>Humane
HOWLING my country will eventually get rid of the communist stain by like 2040 and still be worse than your shithole you mongol

>>129453353
no he tweets from starbucks from his iphone lol

my grandma was a uktranian,i know the horror stories...cuck leftists in the west who push communism should be hanged

>>129452367
If the socialist mode of production is more efficient, why wasn't it able to outcompete the capitalist mode? If it's fundamentally better, then the 20th century would've been definitive proof that communism is the best way to organise labour. In fact it should only take one small example to convince workers to abandon capitalism.

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>>129451489
Are the shills back? slide sage slide.

The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of the evil. We see before us a huge community of producers the members of which are unceasingly striving to deprive each other of the fruits of their collective labor—not by force, but on the whole in faithful compliance with legally established rules. In this respect, it is important to realize that the means of production—that is to say, the entire productive capacity that is needed for producing consumer goods as well as additional capital goods—may legally be, and for the most part are, the private property of individuals.

For the sake of simplicity, in the discussion that follows I shall call “workers” all those who do not share in the ownership of the means of production—although this does not quite correspond to the customary use of the term. The owner of the means of production is in a position to purchase the labor power of the worker. By using the means of production, the worker produces new goods which become the property of the capitalist. The essential point about this process is the relation between what the worker produces and what he is paid, both measured in terms of real value. Insofar as the labor contract is “free,” what the worker receives is determined not by the real value of the goods he produces, but by his minimum needs and by the capitalists’ requirements for labor power in relation to the number of workers competing for jobs. It is important to understand that even in theory the payment of the worker is not determined by the value of his product.

Private capital tends to become concentrated in few hands, partly because of competition among the capitalists, and partly because technological development and the increasing division of labor encourage the formation of larger units of production at the expense of smaller ones. The result of these developments is an oligarchy of private capital the enormous power of which cannot be effectively checked even by a democratically organized political society. This is true since the members of legislative bodies are selected by political parties, largely financed or otherwise influenced by private capitalists who, for all practical purposes, separate the electorate from the legislature. The consequence is that the representatives of the people do not in fact sufficiently protect the interests of the underprivileged sections of the population. Moreover, under existing conditions, private capitalists inevitably control, directly or indirectly, the main sources of information (press, radio, education). It is thus extremely difficult, and indeed in most cases quite impossible, for the individual citizen to come to objective conclusions and to make intelligent use of his political rights.

The situation prevailing in an economy based on the private ownership of capital is thus characterized by two main principles: first, means of production (capital) are privately owned and the owners dispose of them as they see fit; second, the labor contract is free. Of course, there is no such thing as a pure capitalist society in this sense. In particular, it should be noted that the workers, through long and bitter political struggles, have succeeded in securing a somewhat improved form of the “free labor contract” for certain categories of workers. But taken as a whole, the present day economy does not differ much from “pure” capitalism.

Production is carried on for profit, not for use. There is no provision that all those able and willing to work will always be in a position to find employment; an “army of unemployed” almost always exists. The worker is constantly in fear of losing his job. Since unemployed and poorly paid workers do not provide a profitable market, the production of consumers’ goods is restricted, and great hardship is the consequence. Technological progress frequently results in more unemployment rather than in an easing of the burden of work for all. The profit motive, in conjunction with competition among capitalists, is responsible for an instability in the accumulation and utilization of capital which leads to increasingly severe depressions. Unlimited competition leads to a huge waste of labor, and to that crippling of the social consciousness of individuals which I mentioned before.

This crippling of individuals I consider the worst evil of capitalism. Our whole educational system suffers from this evil. An exaggerated competitive attitude is inculcated into the student, who is trained to worship acquisitive success as a preparation for his future career.

I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society.

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>>129451489
Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/
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Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis

Labor is a commodity, like any other, and its price is therefore determined by exactly the same laws that apply to other commodities. In a regime of big industry or of free competition – as we shall see, the two come to the same thing – the price of a commodity is, on the average, always equal to its cost of production. Hence, the price of labor is also equal to the cost of production of labor.

But, the costs of production of labor consist of precisely the quantity of means of subsistence necessary to enable the worker to continue working, and to prevent the working class from dying out. The worker will therefore get no more for his labor than is necessary for this purpose; the price of labor, or the wage, will, in other words, be the lowest, the minimum, required for the maintenance of life.

However, since business is sometimes better and sometimes worse, it follows that the worker sometimes gets more and sometimes gets less for his commodities. But, again, just as the industrialist, on the average of good times and bad, gets no more and no less for his commodities than what they cost, similarly on the average the worker gets no more and no less than his minimum.

This economic law of wages operates the more strictly the greater the degree to which big industry has taken possession of all branches of production.

Above all, it will have to take the control of industry and of all branches of production out of the hands of mutually competing individuals, and instead institute a system in which all these branches of production are operated by society as a whole – that is, for the common account, according to a common plan, and with the participation of all members of society.

It will, in other words, abolish competition and replace it with association.

Moreover, since the management of industry by individuals necessarily implies private property, and since competition is in reality merely the manner and form in which the control of industry by private property owners expresses itself, it follows that private property cannot be separated from competition and the individual management of industry. Private property must, therefore, be abolished and in its place must come the common utilization of all instruments of production and the distribution of all products according to common agreement – in a word, what is called the communal ownership of goods.

In fact, the abolition of private property is, doubtless, the shortest and most significant way to characterize the revolution in the whole social order which has been made necessary by the development of industry – and for this reason it is rightly advanced by communists as their main demand.

What will be the course of this revolution?

Above all, it will establish a democratic constitution, and through this, the direct or indirect dominance of the proletariat. Direct in England, where the proletarians are already a majority of the people. Indirect in France and Germany, where the majority of the people consists not only of proletarians, but also of small peasants and petty bourgeois who are in the process of falling into the proletariat, who are more and more dependent in all their political interests on the proletariat, and who must, therefore, soon adapt to the demands of the proletariat. Perhaps this will cost a second struggle, but the outcome can only be the victory of the proletariat.

Democracy would be wholly valueless to the proletariat if it were not immediately used as a means for putting through measures directed against private property and ensuring the livelihood of the proletariat. The main measures, emerging as the necessary result of existing relations, are the following:

(i) Limitation of private property through progressive taxation, heavy inheritance taxes, abolition of inheritance through collateral lines (brothers, nephews, etc.) forced loans, etc.

(ii) Gradual expropriation of landowners, industrialists, railroad magnates and shipowners, partly through competition by state industry, partly directly through compensation in the form of bonds.

(iii) Confiscation of the possessions of all emigrants and rebels against the majority of the people.

(iv) Organization of labor or employment of proletarians on publicly owned land, in factories and workshops, with competition among the workers being abolished and with the factory owners, in so far as they still exist, being obliged to pay the same high wages as those paid by the state.

(v) An equal obligation on all members of society to work until such time as private property has been completely abolished. Formation of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

(vi) Centralization of money and credit in the hands of the state through a national bank with state capital, and the suppression of all private banks and bankers.

(vii) Increase in the number of national factories, workshops, railroads, ships; bringing new lands into cultivation and improvement of land already under cultivation – all in proportion to the growth of the capital and labor force at the disposal of the nation.

(viii) Education of all children, from the moment they can leave their mother’s care, in national establishments at national cost. Education and production together.

(ix) Construction, on public lands, of great palaces as communal dwellings for associated groups of citizens engaged in both industry and agriculture and combining in their way of life the advantages of urban and rural conditions while avoiding the one-sidedness and drawbacks of each.

(x) Destruction of all unhealthy and jerry-built dwellings in urban districts.

(xi) Equal inheritance rights for children born in and out of wedlock.

(xii) Concentration of all means of transportation in the hands of the nation.

It is impossible, of course, to carry out all these measures at once. But one will always bring others in its wake. Once the first radical attack on private property has been launched, the proletariat will find itself forced to go ever further, to concentrate increasingly in the hands of the state all capital, all agriculture, all transport, all trade. All the foregoing measures are directed to this end; and they will become practicable and feasible, capable of producing their centralizing effects to precisely the degree that the proletariat, through its labor, multiplies the country’s productive forces.

Finally, when all capital, all production, all exchange have been brought together in the hands of the nation, private property will disappear of its own accord, money will become superfluous, and production will so expand and man so change that society will be able to slough off whatever of its old economic habits may remain.

Will it be possible for this revolution to take place in one country alone?

No. By creating the world market, big industry has already brought all the peoples of the Earth, and especially the civilized peoples, into such close relation with one another that none is independent of what happens to the others.

Further, it has co-ordinated the social development of the civilized countries to such an extent that, in all of them, bourgeoisie and proletariat have become the decisive classes, and the struggle between them the great struggle of the day. It follows that the communist revolution will not merely be a national phenomenon but must take place simultaneously in all civilized countries – that is to say, at least in England, America, France, and Germany.

It will develop in each of these countries more or less rapidly, according as one country or the other has a more developed industry, greater wealth, a more significant mass of productive forces. Hence, it will go slowest and will meet most obstacles in Germany, most rapidly and with the fewest difficulties in England. It will have a powerful impact on the other countries of the world, and will radically alter the course of development which they have followed up to now, while greatly stepping up its pace.

It is a universal revolution and will, accordingly, have a universal range.

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>>129451489
isn't communism a jewish invention? why are you even considering such a thing faggot

These generals are so painful to look at.
Maybe you should actually discuss the subject instead of copy pasting the same walls of text in every single thread.

What will be the consequences of the
ultimate disappearance of private property?

Society will take all forces of production and means of commerce, as well as the exchange and distribution of products, out of the hands of private capitalists and will manage them in accordance with a plan based on the availability of resources and the needs of the whole society. In this way, most important of all, the evil consequences which are now associated with the conduct of big industry will be abolished.

There will be no more crises; the expanded production, which for the present order of society is overproduction and hence a prevailing cause of misery, will then be insufficient and in need of being expanded much further. Instead of generating misery, overproduction will reach beyond the elementary requirements of society to assure the satisfaction of the needs of all; it will create new needs and, at the same time, the means of satisfying them. It will become the condition of, and the stimulus to, new progress, which will no longer throw the whole social order into confusion, as progress has always done in the past. Big industry, freed from the pressure of private property, will undergo such an expansion that what we now see will seem as petty in comparison as manufacture seems when put beside the big industry of our own day. This development of industry will make available to society a sufficient mass of products to satisfy the needs of everyone.

The same will be true of agriculture, which also suffers from the pressure of private property and is held back by the division of privately owned land into small parcels. Here, existing improvements and scientific procedures will be put into practice, with a resulting leap forward which will assure to society all the products it needs.

In this way, such an abundance of goods will be able to satisfy the needs of all its members.

The division of society into different, mutually hostile classes will then become unnecessary. Indeed, it will be not only unnecessary but intolerable in the new social order. The existence of classes originated in the division of labor, and the division of labor, as it has been known up to the present, will completely disappear. For mechanical and chemical processes are not enough to bring industrial and agricultural production up to the level we have described; the capacities of the men who make use of these processes must undergo a corresponding development.

Just as the peasants and manufacturing workers of the last century changed their whole way of life and became quite different people when they were drawn into big industry, in the same way, communal control over production by society as a whole, and the resulting new development, will both require an entirely different kind of human material.

People will no longer be, as they are today, subordinated to a single branch of production, bound to it, exploited by it; they will no longer develop one of their faculties at the expense of all others; they will no longer know only one branch, or one branch of a single branch, of production as a whole. Even industry as it is today is finding such people less and less useful.

Industry controlled by society as a whole, and operated according to a plan, presupposes well-rounded human beings, their faculties developed in balanced fashion, able to see the system of production in its entirety.

The form of the division of labor which makes one a peasant, another a cobbler, a third a factory worker, a fourth a stock-market operator, has already been undermined by machinery and will completely disappear. Education will enable young people quickly to familiarize themselves with the whole system of production and to pass from one branch of production to another in response to the needs of society or their own inclinations. It will, therefore, free them from the one-sided character which the present-day division of labor impresses upon every individual. Communist society will, in this way, make it possible for its members to put their comprehensively developed faculties to full use. But, when this happens, classes will necessarily disappear. It follows that society organized on a communist basis is incompatible with the existence of classes on the one hand, and that the very building of such a society provides the means of abolishing class differences on the other.

A corollary of this is that the difference between city and country is destined to disappear. The management of agriculture and industry by the same people rather than by two different classes of people is, if only for purely material reasons, a necessary condition of communist association. The dispersal of the agricultural population on the land, alongside the crowding of the industrial population into the great cities, is a condition which corresponds to an undeveloped state of both agriculture and industry and can already be felt as an obstacle to further development.

The general co-operation of all members of society for the purpose of planned exploitation of the forces of production, the expansion of production to the point where it will satisfy the needs of all, the abolition of a situation in which the needs of some are satisfied at the expense of the needs of others, the complete liquidation of classes and their conflicts, the rounded development of the capacities of all members of society through the elimination of the present division of labor, through industrial education, through engaging in varying activities, through the participation by all in the enjoyments produced by all, through the combination of city and country – these are the main consequences of the abolition of private property.

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>>129452775
People value being treated fairly, they're not being treated fairly under capitalism. Under communism everyone is being treated equally thus we can value that, it's fair. Fairness is in our nature, Communism is an expression of human nature.

>>129452221
/thread

>>129456137
lol

>>129455532
>communist intellectuals
Haha I don't think so Pekka

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why you so poor africa?

>>129456295
>lives in the most uncommunistic country currently on earth
>is a communist
So when will you move to Africa?

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>>129454725
You really wrote all of this garbage? I'm impressed

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>>129456217
Oh I'm sorry do you not value fairness? Would you like to be treated unfairly?

>>129454220

Best timeline, folks.

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next level autism kike

>>129456556
>noguns faggot trying to act tough on the internet like hes a hardened soviet soldier

hahahahahahaha. there is nothing more pathetic and embarrassing than commie larpers

>>129451489

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>>129456656
women have the intelligence and personality of children, I pity anyone who thinks this tweet was good.

>>129456720
didnt we find OP's pictures and facebook already?

I remember him being a really fat fuck who still lives with his mom

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>>129456601
If you actually read the entire thing and that's all you could give us in terms of a summary, that's a pretty piss poor effort mate. If not, you're objectively too dumb/lazy to argue with adults

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>>129456720
>no es un argumento

>>129456656
Brilliant. So it's like, you pay a small fee all the time but if something horrible happens to you, you're safe. Why didn't anyone come up with this before her?

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>>129454894
>An equal obligation on all members of society to work until such time as private property has been completely abolished. Formation of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

Literally craves the life of a plantation slave, except even old Uncle Remus owned his own banjo, in his 'utopia' you don't even get that.

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>>129455585
>What will be the consequences of the
>ultimate disappearance of private property?

Move to Somalia and find out, Shmuely.

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>>129456673
I'm just saying anon, if you like unfairness so much why don't you stop eating, sleep on a pile of urine soaked snow and pick ticks from your genitals for a couple years then see if you'd like to live in a fair society.

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>>129455611
>an abundance of goods

Seems legit.

>>129457327
>communism is judaism
How could books that preach a society where everyone is equal and no one is on top.... possibly benefit some hidden Jewish hierarchy.

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>>129456295
>why you so poor africa?

They were doing so well before whitey came along weren't they?

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>>129457554
>Hunter-gatherer societies with no concept of capitalism had no concept of antisocial behaviour that required communal punishment of the offender.
Are you 13?

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>>129456997

In capitalism you create enough surplus to throw away bananas that aren't an appealing shape, in communism people hunt rats for food and starve by the millions.

Great work Comrade.

>>129456858
>read and argue against copypasta

no thanks, I don't reply to spam.

>>129457331
why would I do any of that?

I make my own wealth and obtain my own resources, your argument is shit tier.

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>>129457526

>trust me, goyim, I just want to see you all equal.

>>129457400
If this was a capitalist country you would be saying their in debt because of the oil crisis, but no they're in debt because they're a socialist country. Do we need to point out the countless capitalist countries in africa, asia and south america that are failing drastically for reasons beyond simple capitalism?

>>129457554
>Stupid capitalist pig! Communism only punishes people who don't believe in communism! Therefore communism isn't violent!

>>129456734

I read on here that women go through puberty until menopause. Really opened my eyes.

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>>129458177
>nigger Africa
>spics
>able to create functioning human societies

you type like you're under the age of 18 by the way, I'd be willing to bet I'm right.

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>>129451489
Op is a faggot

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>>129458251
50 shitposts in an hour.
Fucking hell you make Pedro look like a lazy hunk of shit well done.

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Take a helicopter ride

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>>129458177
>countless capitalist countries in africa, asia and south america that are failing drastically for reasons beyond simple capitalism?

The reason being largely that those mud races are incapable of creating or maintaining first world civilizations, but the point is just taking shit that someone else earned to give you presents is not a viable system upon which to form a society.

Then again, perhaps the only reason it has never worked in the past is that nobody as clever as you has been put in charge?

The means of production will never be seized. What will happen is that they'll get so cheap that all but the most retarded commies will be able to buy/rent them. Infinite entrepreneurship, that's the future.

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>>129458658
How many Flint niggers are in jail for not paying their water bills I wonder?

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Workers of the world unite!

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>>129458739

Jesus Christ, these are just so cringe. You have to wonder if this guy is even serious or just trying to make communists look stupid.

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>>129458005
Say you lost your job or were replaced by a machine. Do you want us to let you die because you're not of any use to us any more ? Congratulations on being a member of the proletariat by the way anon, would you rather not be making your boss rich off your hard work while you make ends meet.

>>129458862
Why do they need some fancy injector?
Chances are pretty good they know how to use a needle and syringe and a glas ampule of narcan is super cheap.

>>129458862
Supply and demand my man.
Should not be doing dope anyway idiot

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>>129459353
>once you realize that "trickle-down economics" never existed and is a fucking meme created by a liberal comedian on TV in 1980s' to describe economic reforms in 1920's you just might stop posting bullshit on mongolian goat-herding forum

>>129459342
Supply has not changed, Demmand is the same as ever. They just have a monopoly on the antidote so they can charge whatever they feel like. I doubt you'd feel the same way if you got called to the emergency room to find your sons dead because the hospital couldn't afford to stock the drug he needed.

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None of you even like the working class
We all voted Trump
Have you even read your Orwell?

>>129451563
this :DDDDDDDDD

>>129459902
Rural white trump voter here.
Why did I vote for trump when I've never seen non-whites in real life?

For any capitalists, the monetary wealth you recieve should be relative to the value to society you produce, or not? Why not?
And if you do agree, do you really think the rich are so much more valuable to society than for example a caretaker that they deserve so much more wealth?

>>129459902
We are the working class, and there would be plenty of jobs for you and all the dirty mexicans if you just made all of the factories/businesses/farms publicly owned rather than privately so rather than paying some fat cat to sit on the top his ludicris paycheck can be used to hire more workers and actually pay you what you've earned.

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<--- What have unions ever done for you?

>>129453823

I can imagine how horrible it was to have a Ukrainian grandmother. I'm sorry you have those genes.

So this whole thread is just some retarded NEET from one of the world's most prosperous capitalist countries spamming bullshit memes while having never worked a days labor in his life?

>>129453823
My grandfather is Ukrainian and Soviets Soldiers saved him from the Nazi's and he still hated them. There's no pleasing Ukrainians.

>>129460624
Shut up racist, homophobic capitalist filth.

>>129453891

USSR failed to apply the OGAS project because political decision mistakes.

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>>129459634
"Labor made your phone"

Why don't any of you oppressed workers design a better smart phone or operating system and become billionaires then?

>>129460662
how the fuck can someone have 5 jobs and STILL not pay their rent? I had no job for 3 months and still was able to pay my rent.

>>129460847
Under trump you'd have to work 5 jobs even that won't be enough because fuck the people who aren't rich aye?

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>>129460768
Another millennial trend is getting a worthless degree, and working at Starbucks.

>>129451489
Redistribute this thread then your existence commie scum

>>129460770

No, some fucking chink kid in a communist country did for 10 cents.

>>129460770
You realize steve jobs stole most of his ideas off other hardworking people right?

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>>129459685

Let me get this straight, a woman gets a "degree" that qualifies her for a 44 year career shaking salt on french fries at McDonalds and you're implying that it's a good idea to force society to pay for this?

The true believer communists are all poster children for trying to force others to accept responsibility for their own terribly bad life choices.

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>>129460159
>We are the working class,


Really? What do you do for work?

>>129459103
riiiiiiiggggghhht because rich people never spend money.

>>129461591
Rich scumbag go to /vip/

>>129460607

"looking for work for five years"

Right. Spend 8 hours a day on self improvement or knocking on doors asking for work and still unemployed.

Keep the laughs coming, comrade.

You know what's brilliant? Replacing proven biological science with psudeoscience that alligns with communism better and wondering why there is widespread famine in Eastern Europe, Soviet Union, and China.

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>>129461472
Right now I'm helping build an apartment building that neither I nor any of my relatives will ever be able to afford to live in.

>>129461774

But the soviet union fixed their mistake on that, why do you ignore that?

>>129460329
I worked for a union several years ago, they unioned us all right out of a job. thankfully due to an error in payroll, they never got any dues from me.

>>129460728
>political decision mistakes
Communism is a mistake

>>129461850

Fixing a mistake AFTER IT KILLED MILLIONS!

That's not a' mistake' Juan...

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>>129461230
>posted from his iPad

Of course he "stole" all of it. It's just an accident of fate that he did so well, and if someone just stole all the shit he created and gave it to you the world would be paradise, right?

>>129461936
You will never see communism again in your life

>>129451563
This is honestly the best thing about that autist posting communist general. I always come for the spurdo post.

>>129460728
>The superior mode of production failed because it needed a certain technology
If it's superior then we would be using it. It's really that simple. The fact of the matter is that the wealthiest nations are historically capitalistic.

>>129460954
you don't have to be rich to become rich, and you can become rich from any job that makes more than $35000 per year, it's called live within your means and invest. I did it, and I came from a lazy welfare mother household.

free market liberals haven't understood yet that people are done with unregulated global trade while destrying any form of social security
the next stage will be fascism or socialism
fascism is currently winning, but as liberals keep loosing elections, the left is not ready to vote for them anymore just because at least they promise social liberalism
socialism is getting closer and closer every election
Sanders, Melonchon, Corbyn
Yes, those are all losses, but they are way closer than anything we hat just a couple of years ago

>>129461965
No it's the fact that capitalism rewards ruthless calculating behavior. Anyone who would accept such a disproportionate sum of wealth to everyone else is scum.

>>129461936
>Soviet economy
hows that working out?

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>>129461962
>Fixing a mistake AFTER IT KILLED MILLIONS!

millions? lol

Why are so many spics into communism? Is it because they are low IQ shitskins at heart?

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>>129461791

Thanks to the miracle of communism, your tax money will be used to give Mohammed and his 11 year old wife a nice apartment there "free".

Not sure how it works over in Cuck-Island, but here in USA I don't know a single competent tradesman who doesn't own his own home.

Perhaps all that "free" shit your government gives away has a hidden cost?

Perhaps if you import another few million useless Africans the cost of wages will go up and the cost of housing will go down?

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>>129462105

(((climate change)))

How's red China doing on that front, Comrade?

>>129462351

Allowing your ideology to make you change how science should be understood and force farms to operate that way is unforgivable.

Lysenkoism is the worst sin of communism. Politicized science is the worst step backwards anyone can make.

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>>129451489
DO IT AGAIN BOMBER HARRIS

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>>129462610
I still don't get why you deny it.
Do you not think the earth's climate changes over time?
Or is it people saying that humans are responsible for climate change because I can get behind that one.

>>129456997
You know, they can always make a pasta or jam out of it and sell it that way.... they're just too rich from the other 60% of bananas to actually care enough.

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>>129462314
>Anyone who would accept such a disproportionate sum of wealth to everyone else is scum.

Waaaah, the other kid has more toys than me.

Mentality of a spoiled child.

Do you even aspire to a good life for yourself and your children or would you be happy enough that nobody else can have one?

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>>129462673

Because supply and demand is just a capitalist trick to keep you oppressed.

>>129462463
>Thanks to the miracle of communism, your tax money will be used to give Mohammed and his 11 year old wife a nice apartment there "free"
Uh no that's not what we believe anon, I don't even necessarily think we should let muslims in although I agree they need humanitarian aid.

Yeah our labour laws suck giant dicks and houses are too expensive, so I'll probably only ever own an ex-crackhouse.

There is actually enough to go around for me and the shitskins though. All our wealth is tied up in the elite, the bankers (yes some of them are probably Jewish but not all). These fuckers are getting rich of our hard work, they don't build shit the just prance around in suits and delegate anything of importance to an accountant or someone who actually knows what their doing. These fuckers are like wellfare suckers only their buying champagne with profits skimmed off our salaries and you're actually respecting them for it. Take back what they owe us and we can have all the usless pet shitskins we want.

>>129457305
If by Castro being treated unfairly you mean that he wasn't hanged, yes.

>>129463161

And communism was created by the Jews to keep us weak and mediocre. Two systems created by 1 group to keep us down.

If only there were a hire way, a third position from which to oppose this nefarious tribe...

>>129459224
I'd just get another job. Or move.
Even if none of that worked out I could just steal shit and I would never have to live in squalor like you suggest.

It's called being smart.

>>129462673
>pro mass migration to western countries
>against free trade
>pro Israel
>pro welfare and government intervention
What did they mean by this?

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>>129463185
>Take back what they owe us

Nobody owes you shit.

Aren't you cucks allowed to buy stocks so you can share in all those corporate riches? Are you not allowed to start your own business and pay yourself and your employees whatever you deem "fair"? Are you not free to find another employer and negotiate for a better salary?

>There is actually enough to go around for me and the shitskins though

So be happy to pay half a million to live in a cuck-shed and quit bitching. From each according to what he can produce and to each according to his need.

Obviously you can work hard and don't need anything since you're a childish virgin while Mohammed from the Sudan is illiterate in his own language and incapable of working and needs more than you to support his 3 wives and 18 children. This is, in fact, the socialism you crave.

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>>129460711
>>129460662
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>>129459204
If you just showed up in this thread and are wondering why the images this guy posts are so delusional, unfunny, and poorly done, remember: the age of leftypol averages at around 16, and anyone older than 20 there is likely a tranny or a complete degenerate that has a terabyte of interracial porn.

>>129463902
>Spain
pay denbts

Also Catalonia won't get independance

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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-36KprOdFw
>if you wanna change the world you start from yourself and work outward because you build your competence that way
>I don't know how you can go out and protest the structure of the entire economic system if you can't keep your room organized
>don't be fixing up the economy eighteen year olds. You don't know anything about the economy, it's a massive complex machine beyond anyone's understatement and you mess with it at your peril
>So, can you even clean up your own room? No. Well, you should think about that. Because if you can't even clean up your own room, who the hell are you to give advice to the whole world?
Listen to him you turds; he worked with clients your age for over a decade, he knows you like the palm of his hands.

>>129462915
This is the difference between us and you I don't aspire for a good life for myself or my kids until I can be sure of a good life for all of us and our kids. The greatest happiness for the most people. Poverty doesn't need to exist and I don't think it's existence is justified by the need to reward individuals (not always the right ones) with vast amounts of wealth

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>>129463501

The hook the Jew buries into capitalism is using the class envy of the under-man to impose laws against the "bourgeoisie oppressors" which are in fact really designed to be only huge barriers of entry for small businesses to compete with their existing monopolies.

Simple things like inheritance tax, will allow government to confiscate a family farm (worth millions on paper but with little actual cash flow) while allowing the true elites (like the Clintons) to protect their wealth in trusts and phony charities.

People who believe any of this communist rubbish are useful idiots of the highest order.

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>>129464136
>I don't aspire for a good life for myself or my kids until I can be sure of a good life for all of us and our kids

This is literally the definition of a cuckold, being tricked into supporting someone else's offspring at the expense of your own.

You deserve extinction.

>>129463710
Yes they owe us for the profits they make off of things that we make/services we provide. If your boss pays you what you're worth he's not making a profit, ergo they're underpaying you so they can keep some of the profit YOU made. Most of us are going to have to work for bosses so most of us are going to have to suffer their penny pinching.

Yes Muhammed sounds pretty useless but we only have to pay him a living wage, he's not getting a CEO's salary. The ammount of our hard earned money we'd liberate in getting rid of the business owners, the bankers, the corporate scum. I could throw Muhammed a fucking party every weekend and still be better off. Do you see? Do you see where the fucking money goes?

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>>129459758
>McDonald's CEO makes 8 million
>420 000 McDonald's employers
>8 000 000/ 420 000
>McDonald's CEO, exploits from the workers a whopping 19 bucks per year.
>that's actually one of the worst CEO to worker gap and people use it to bitch about capitalism all the time

>Federal government will take at least 10% in taxes from the worker
>being horribly pessimistic and assuming a McDonald's worker only makes 10k a year
>governments takes 1 000 from him.
>let's be horribly generous and assume 80% of this money is very well kept and spent
>government workers will still be taking 10 times more than a CEO
But wait, if those numbers are right, that would mean these circles made on ms paint are completely fake. A 16 year-old who is mentally devoted to twist reality to favor his fantasy of an utopia where he doesn't need to work to survive would never lie on the internet, right?

>>129464881
what about the shareholder profit?

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>>129464953

Right wing propaganda is based in fact. Left wing propaganda is emotional manipulation. Right wing propaganda is inherently a good thing, and not wrong or negative in any way. Left wing propaganda is just lies and deception, outright and intentional.

>Pick country with highest standard of living for women
>Accuse country of oppressing women
>ignore rest of world
>ignore that there is no oppression
>make up evidence of oppression to support free gibs and cause the breakdown of normal society
>Oops, we took whites farms and gave them to blacks, now all the whites are dead.. no one could have seen that coming

marxism

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>>129465550

Right wing propaganda exposes truths. Left wing propaganda obscures them.

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>>129460185
found the bitch that never had a work
>t. spaniard who knows the value of finding a job

>>129464428
My kids aren't any more important than anyone elses, this is called rational empathy. It's the basis of forming concensus in any society. feel free to club other males to establish who is the dominant alpha we're organizing and heading for some FULLY AUTOMATED LUXURY SPACE COMMUNISM,

>>129464136
Haha, oh boy.

Believing that, while we look out for ourselves above all else, is placing you at a disadvantage.

Survival of the fittest buddy.

>>129464881
>>129465010
Ignore this I'm sure the only profit Mcdonalds pulls is 8 million Annually to pay the CEO, they're a small, honest, all-american business.

Death to all commies.National socialism will rise

>>129461791
>helping
how? you bring water to the real workers, because you're underaged and quit high school?

piss off

>>129465796
>My kids aren't any more important than anyone elses
Sure they are.

Are there people who are dumber or less deserving of life than you? Absolutely.
Therefore, assuming we want humanity to advance as much and as efficiently as possible, your kids are more important than theirs.

I am well above average. My kids are well above average importance to the continued success and growth of humanity. This is natural selection 101. I won't be handicapping myself so people with weaker genes can leapfrog mine.

Equity is a retarded meme.
We aren't all equal.

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>>129451489
sage

>>129466666
good job satan

>>129466666
Well said, checked

>>129451489
I think i prefer Natsoc

>>129466401
Even people who are dumber and less skilled than me deserve the same treatment as a human being. Imagine if just because you were an over-compensating closet cuck I decided you couldn't expect the same rights to express your shitty opinion as me.

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>>129465010
First off, shareholders are investors withdrawing their consumption to lend value to the business, and that money wouldn't be there if they couldn't profit from it, it's a voluntary deal that benefits both sides.

Second off, if you divide the worldwide number of employees to the networth, you would see that it would take less than 5 years of saving for an employee to buy his percentage of the company. But fuck saving money and investing in the economy, right? We need an economic system that prohibits investments, aka, economic growth, freezing the country in time so we can drive cars made in the 50s in 2017 like in Cuba.

You can literally start saving money and "seize the means of production" at any time you want. But fuck that, we want free shit, we want the returns from the investments we chose not to make.

>>129466666
Nice try Satan.

>>129466666
FUG I GOT QUINTS

lifetime achievement for me on /pol/

>>129467036
A point about investors
If I'm rich enough I can just pay someone who is good at investing to invest my money for me am I contributing anything ?

Is it fair to say this is most of the people who are born rich?

Is it fair to say they can pretty successfully leech their whole lives living in complete perpetual wealth without actually contributing anything of value ?

>>129466958
We're not arguing about giving everyone the same rights.

We're arguing about communism.
i.e. whether we should give people free shit (courtesy of forcibly taking it from others who worked for it) for doing nothing.

>>129467036
>You can literally start saving money and "seize the means of production" at any time you want
this is my favorite argument against socialism. if these children were serious about their ideology they would take a job at walmart, save their money, and buy shares in walmart. i have yet to meet a single socialist who has even attempted to buy stock in any sector of the economy, because they're all lazy posers looking for handouts.

>>129467036
But, then, you see, once you go into the path of acquiring the "means of production legally", you realize, why even buy the company I work at? There are many possible investments that could yield greater return than places you work.

Then you go a little further, and realize that if you study and specialize yourself, buying machines and funding a company could yield ever greater returns than the average MacDonald's investor gets. Then all of a sudden you stop being a filthy commie, in a quest to acquire the means of production.

>>129457544
chile today most advanced country in south america, venezuela today currently in a civil war

>>129467320
Nobody is saying that many elites aren't degenerate.
But forcibly redistributing wealth is no better.

>>129454220
berfect :DDD

>>129467379
You must be confused that sounds like capitalism you're describing. Under communism everyone gets the full value of what they work for.

We are arguing about rights. The right to economic equality.

"Hurr what if robots replace you?"

>Become a robot tech/repairman
>Buy shares in robot company

>>129467320
>Is it fair to say they can pretty successfully leech their whole lives living in complete perpetual wealth without actually contributing anything of value ?
it's not fair to say, actually. if they are investing their money, even if they pay somebody to do so on their behalf, they are then providing the capital necessary for expanding production. without their money the economy stagnates and collapses. the only people leeching off the system are those on welfare who take from the economy and provide neither labor nor capital in return.

>>129467709
There is no right to economic equality. Why would there be?
The existance of that immediately implies a loss of the right to one's own property (due to redistribution of wealth which most people won't want to do voluntarily).

>>129467320
>If I'm rich enough I can just pay someone who is good at investing to invest my money for me am I contributing anything ?
You had to make a very tough judgment on that person you fucking idiot. Good fund managers don't fall from the sky, and you don't blindly trust them either. So basically, you'll still be managing your networth, even if you buy a fund from someone.

Secondly, chances are, someone who's better at investing than you is also richer than you and has no reason to take your money and invest for you without taking a thick premium for himself.

>Is it fair to say they can pretty successfully leech their whole lives living in complete perpetual wealth without actually contributing anything of value ?
No, that's idiotic.
Did you buy the tools at Macdonalds? Did you buy the facilities? Did you buy the chairs, the meat, the bums? No, and yet, you can just show up there and get more money than 40% of mankind just by flipping burgers. You profit from their investments, so how can you claim they create no value? Oh, that's right, marxist use a 100yo failed framework that states only human suffering creates value, and anyone who is good at creating wealth creates no value because they suffer less.

>>129467640
So forcibly redistributing my wealth upwards by forcing me to get a job and pay part of my salary to the business owners is ok though?