Becoming Christian

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>>129450724

>>129450724
just dont, bad decision. cult for faggots

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>>129451108

Don't become the next job

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>>129450881
Amen

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>>129451350
If you get baptized an evil spirit will enter you

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>>129451381
This is the only glory awaiting you

>>129451381
why do the gnostic gospels validate full water batpism then?

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>>129451421
The bible brainwashes you and eliminates critical thought, lots of scriptures were removed, inclusing gnostic, apocrypha, etc.

>>129451452

It's not the same baptism

>>129450724
It's simple. Go to your church, get "saved", and follow at least the basic christian teachings and morals.

>>129450724
This is a bait thread. Anyway, it's as simple as this:

God is our father. We are spiritual brothers.

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>>129451501
YHWH is a criminal that will be unjust towards you, read job, read the story of genesis, adam and eve weren't able to tell right from wrong but were punished.

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>>129451590
Baptism in a christian church is equal to spiritual rape.

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>>129451501
>The bible brainwashes you and eliminates critical thought

its ironic, the gnostic gospels validate the bible quite a bit.

Jesus Christ validates the old testament as his word in the nag hammadi in the first place, the old testament PROMISED us jesus christ in the first place?

are you a gnostic christian?

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>>129451649
Blind faith is for brainlets, gnosticism makes you use your brain.

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>>129450724
Personally I feel that the best way to start going about becoming a Christian is seeking out a nearby Priest.

Ideally this would be a Catholic or an Eastern Orthodox Priest. I would then just talk to him about wanting to find God, from there just go to Church and learn more about theology and hopefully the Holy Spirit will call you in.

Other important things you can do, assuming you're agnostic or an atheist. Is to research into any problems you have with Christian theology. IE - you may think that Christians don't believe in evolution, or the big bang. Look into these or any other doubts you have. Most Christians believe one if not both of these and it is compatible with the Bible. I mean the big bang was proposed by a Catholic scientist.

The other thing I recommend doing is just researching theology of the various branches of Christianity. Learn the history and once you're well learned you'll understand how it all makes sense. And you'll find your way to a correct denomination. Ie Catholicism or Orthodox.

Also it would probably be better to ask this question on (4x2)chan's /Christian/. /pol/ can be obnoxious at times.

Unfortunately I'm heading to sleep now OP, but good luck and God bless.

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>>129451675
>its ironic

No, it's not ironic, it has a name and the name is Religious Trauma Syndrome.

>>129451590
YHWH is a criminal that will be unjust towards you, read job, read the story of genesis, adam and eve weren't able to tell right from wrong but were punished.

fuck off, and read "on the origin of the world"

Yahweh is not the demiurge, Yahweh created Jesus Christ in our realm in the first place. Yaldaboath is the demiurge, in no way shape or form does.

Yahweh REPENTED to the fullness, and became part of it after he saw his fathers ignorance, and how his father Yaldaboath the Demiurge showed his ignorance claiming he was the only god.

>>129451783
I honestly wouldn't go to priests. The who "pay your way to heaven" is so against the basic fundamental teachings of Jesus.

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>>129451816

Literalism shouldn't be followed, it's all there but it is said in a manner that's not literal and should never be.

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>>129451913
The problem with blind faith is that it nullifies reason and thus will cause you in the long run to lose even brain faculties.

>>129451816
>Yaldaboath is the demiurge, in no way shape or form does.

form do the gnostic gospels implicate Yahweh as the devil, Yahweh is the one who saved the world from the Flood rebelling against his father Yaldaboath who was creating it in the first place.

for someone who claims to be so enlighted about Gnosticism you portray not having a damn clue what their gospels say

>Literalism shouldn't be followed, it's all there but it is said in a manner that's not literal and should never be.

5. Jesus said, "Know what is in front of your face, and what is hidden from you will be disclosed to you.

>For there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed. [And there is nothing buried that will not be raised.]"

>>129451898
>pay your way to heaven
I have no idea what you're talking about.

And the reason to go to a Priest is because they've been educated in several years of theology. And have also heard all sorts of people from different backgrounds and stories and are most capable at directing somebody to finding Christ then no direction whatsoever.

And this is also assuming that the OP has no faith or agnostic, and is not quite sure on prayer.

I want to become a Christian but I can't because I don't know how to believe stuff that to me doesn't seem true.

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>>129451993
Every conversation with a christian tells the tale: they have to justify their behaviour to everyone because they are unable to keep the law as jesus told them to allegedly, and they keep on sinning, which shouldn't happen, so they play with scripture to justify their inability to live as non-humans.

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>>129452049
Why would you want to enter a path of self delusion? Become a gnostic and use your brain to deduce and understand the true message behind scriptures, as they are myths.

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>>129452049
See
>>129451783

Namely the parts about looking into things that you have issues with in Christian theology so that you can dispel that idea.

Then have a chat with a Priest to see if he can give further direction.

Heck, give prayer a try. You may not think its working but if you're reaching out praying that you may find faith. It works for some.

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>>129452117
This thread gets made daily so we better make it useful.

>>129452117
Because Christian girls are hnnng and Christian culture is great.

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>>129452207
Beauty be it external or internal doesn't relate to being deluded. At best you'd marry a femacho with glasses and her armpits being a cambodian jungle with fleas.

>>129451816
YHWH is the primitive version of God the father. Judaism is a less evolved version of christianism.

In the vision of the ancient israelites, God was a jealous, fearsome god. This is how the people of ancient times respected divine authority. Nevertheless, Jesus Christ showed us a better path, through a new revelation.

>>129452049
its not true at all. save yourself a lot of time and stay away from it, there is not coming anything out of it.

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>>129451913
get this garbage out of here
>muh edgy gnostic scriptures

>>129452282
Submissiveness relates to being deluded. As does wanting a large family.

No atheist girl is having 12 kids, only Christian girls who think they have a divine mandate.

>>129452009
maybe I'm jumping to far ahead in theology where OP has no interest (probably) for the time being.

>>129452417

Pro white females don't want to go without children and will open their legs before you just fine.

>>129452178
The thing I have an issue with in Christian theology is this idea that Christ died on the cross then was resurrected 3 days later.

That's impossible. People die when they are killed.

>>129450724
You don't. No sense in deluding yourself.

>>129452282
Post more of the comic it's gr8
Or give source

>>129452489
I still am not sure what you mean by pay your way into heaven? Are you referring to indulgences?

>>129452563
I'm not pure white though. I'm like half or 2/3rds or something.

>>129452653
/x/

Only an extra page was made and it was inconsecuential.

>>129452610
>The thing I have an issue with in Christian theology is this idea that Christ died on the cross then was resurrected 3 days later.
>That's impossible. People die when they are killed.

Well it kinda helps that Christ is God. He doesn't quite follow natural laws.

The story of Jesus as recorded in the gospels is about what happens when the Spirit of God appears on Earth, and is resisted by the worldly powers of organized religion and the state. Anytime the message of Christ becomes co-opted by religious doctrine or state power, it has already abandoned its roots, since at its core the Jesus story is about how those very powers will stop at nothing to subvert and destroy the Christ. Though of course they can never succeed - to those with eyes to see and ears to hear, the King remains enthroned.

Christ shows us that self-giving sacrificial love is the true power in the universe, not the top-down tyrannical brute strength of Caesar. Christ's earliest followers proclaimed "Jesus is Lord!", rather than "Caesar is Lord!" which regions conquered by the empire were required to say. The implied subversive question - who is making a better Kingdom? Caesar who puts people on crosses, or Christ who bears the cross in love for all? Caesar who dominates and kills all who oppose with brute strength, or God who raised Christ from the dead?

Why is self-giving sacrifice the ultimate power? Picture water. In some senses, the most submissive substance imaginable. It will flow through your fingers, fit any container you put it in. Yet nothing can compete with it for domination of the planet - it covers 70% of Earth's surface. It uses its power not to dominate like a tyrant, but to quietly nourish each and every thing that lives. This is built into Creation as a prefiguration of Christ. The blood of Christ is spiritual water, and those who drink of it will never thirst again.

>>129452658
Yes, but more importantly putting such an emphasis on the Church and the Saints as the connection to God rather than a personal connection. If the Church is the connection to God, then you'd better pay to keep it going (so to speak).

>>129452610
Understandable. But keep in mind that in the time of Jesus there were many people who claimed to be the messiah. And all who said it ended up in nothing.

However, something was different with him. People were willing to risk their lives and everything they had because they believed it happened. You can't do that without a complete faith.

It was at least unusual.

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>>129452282
fuk u demiurge

I wonder if the Catholic Church has the same sort of stuff as the Pentecostal types...they seem to be loaded up to the brim with money and all sorts of different ministries and activities but what would a Catholic Church have? They seem to just be...a quieter bunch.

>>129452610
That's why they Made a religion out of him. He followed through all the prophecies, and came back to life.

>>129452749
Yeah so first I need to believe in God. In an existence outside of natural laws.

The leap from diest to Christian seems so easy for me. But no idea how I go from not believing in God to believing in God.

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>>129453009
>Yes, but more importantly putting such an emphasis on the Church and the Saints as the connection to God rather than a personal connection.

Yes there is a lot of attention on the intercession of saints. However like all Christians our relationship with Christ is obviously the most important. And it seems when people see Catholics or Orthodox they seem to only focus on Mary/The other saints, as opposed to the whole service relating to Jesus that is held every day.

>If the Church is the connection to God, then you'd better pay to keep it going (so to speak).
As for the Church, we are the Church. All that have been baptized with the Holy Spirit make up God's Church.

If you're referring to the donations in mass I do not see the problem. They are just that, donations. Churches need financial support as well.

>>129452610
Consider that people back then would've had the exact same misgivings. There was enough evidence for Christianity to spread so rapidly that there were churches in Rome within 20 years of his death. That's nuts. There's no way in hell it spread that rapidly unless there was something that convinced people that Jesus was the true messiah, in a time when there was no shortage of so called prophets.

>>129450724
Read 2 gospels and the book of Acts from the New Testament. Then read the whole Bible, pray and fast from food for 1-3 days at time. By then you'll be a Christian if you were called. If not, the Bible will make no sense to you. I think it's better to understand what you're doing before doing it, so go to church after you understand what you believe and why you'd go to church at all.

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>>129453364
>The leap from diest to Christian seems so easy for me. But no idea how I go from not believing in God to believing in God.
How about you try that first of all. Live the Christian life for sometime, go to Church and try pray. At first you may not feel anything, but as you continue and if you put some homework in and pray that you may get this gift of faith that us others have.

No easy way to simply explain how to get faith, it just seems to happen when you're actively searching for it. Or calling out for God.

It may sound cringey but there isn't really another way to put it. Just keep searching for it anon, and pray for it. Even if it seems silly, whats the harm in trying?

>>129453279
>but what would a Catholic Church have? They seem to just be...a quieter bunch.
What do you mean anon?

>>129453419
Another thing that I find helps when trying to help people understand that is the following; being a Christian had no benefits back in those days.

You were outcast. You were poor, you suffered intense persecution. You were not rewarded at all for proclaiming your faith. Yet every single one of the original apostles (save John) martyred themselves for something. Somethign that gave them absolutely no benefit in life, yet they marched to their deaths.

(Some literally, St Peter for example after escaping a city that was executing his students saw Jesus coming into the city to take his place for him. Peter realised he was beign weak again marched right back at the Romans and told them to crucify him upside down since he was unworthy to share the same death.)

I mean I don't think these people would do this sort of shit for a religion that gives them no benefits other than what their religion teaches. (IE- Jesus came back from the dead)

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>>129450724
Got to mosque, embrace Allah (pbuh). He is most merciful.

>>129453902
GET OUT OF OUR THREAD DEUS VULT!

>>129453419
The Sanhedrin knew that Jesus had said that He would rise again on the third day. So they put guards at the gate of the tomb to prevent fraud. And apparently something happened that convinced many people in a very short time.

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>>129450724
> hylics worshipping Demiurge

>>129453193
I wonder to which degree the resurrection was an exagerated or fabricated event. Jesus had enough fanboy and fangirl followers by the time he died, who could totally have created the story in their minds and believe it anyway, because they wanted to do so.

The question is then what made Jesus so charismatic, that he stood out so much more than the other self-called messiahs.
Judging by how charisma works for humans today, he must have been very attractive, tall, we know he was young, and he probably arrived with his message of love and peace just during a political crisis in the stablishment, making him look like he was sent to fix a mess.

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>>129453402
This is it. I'm going to church mass today for the first time. Thank you Aussie bro, I've been doubting for far too long.

>>129454071
We must remember that these were ROMAN guards. Well trained and VERY loyal. no two pieces of silver were going to make them disobey their centurion(or other commander who told them to guard that tomb).

>>129454027
we share the same god, christfag. Jesus is just one of his prophets. Muhd (pbuh) is the last. Ask Allah (pbuh) for forgiveness and he will provide. He is most merciful and everyday i call out his name.

Faith is completely logical if you accept these 3 premises:
>there is an absolute truth about the universe/reality

>we want to follow the path of this truth, since truth = good (love, happiness, fulfillment, etc)

>we will never learn 100% about this absolute truth underlying in the universe through rational and scientific means. We will surely die before.
If we want to follow the path of truth, we cannot rely on science/rationality alone. We need to do a leap of faith into the unknown, trusting 100% we have chosen the right path towards it.

>>129454224
You have good intentions. I believe you will have better answers to your questions in your local mosque though. Allah (pbuh) is merciful, he will set your heart at ease.

>>129452345
>YHWH is the primitive version of God the father. Judaism is a less evolved version of christianism
well, this is exactly what the gnostic gospels don't say.

>In the vision of the ancient israelites, God was a jealous, fearsome god. This is how the people of ancient times respected divine authority. Nevertheless, Jesus Christ showed us a better path, through a new revelation.

I used to think this too, but then I understood the purpose of the old testament, the wages of Sin are Death. If you sin against the fullness, and universal law, you die, a pretty brutal death.
their quite actively venerate Yahweh, and it actively venerates the old testament as the plan of the fullness.

if it was the "work of the devil" it wouldn't so fondly look quote Isaiah or Daniel, or Hosea, or Psalm, or Proverbs as lessons of extreme wisdom

infact there are several old testament appearances of Jesus Christ.

I find it a dirty lie that the gnostic gospels state the idea that yahweh is the demiruge, it wouldn't make such a big difference between Yaldaboath and Sabaoth Yahweh if that were the case.

quite frankly you pay more attention to what people say about the gnostic gospels than what the gnostic gospels actually say. The Old testament is written completely of Jesus Christ.

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So the shit is going to hit the fan very soon. Will God be merciful for me if I apologise for being ignorant fuck for almost 20 years and send me to Purgatory, or am I going straight to hell to meet Adolf?

>>129454224
I am very glad to hear that anon. Good luck and God Bless.

(I'm pretty sure some Cath anons will be making a Catholic general later today that you could ask questions in)

>>129454515
Neither. You will cease to exist, and eventually be forgotten.

>>129454224
>>129454374
Again anon I'm glad to hear it. And I'm glad I decided to stay up to talk in this thread rather then get some sleep.

>>129454515
>So the shit is going to hit the fan very soon. Will God be merciful for me if I apologise for being ignorant fuck for almost 20 years and send me to Purgatory, or am I going straight to hell to meet Adolf?
Depends on your situation anon.

Are you baptized?

Are you contrite/truly repentant for the things you've done? Are you repentant because you're worried about your salvation or because of sinning against God and hurting your bond with him?

Regardless, the Lord is merciful and always forgiving. Even if you were to be the biggest sack of shit on this world. If you seek forgiveness hes your man.

>>129454224
May God bless your further endeavors, and good luck.

>>129452610
the soul exists, and its attached to God. the material world is largely a hoax.

and no, its not impossible, people die and come back to life all the time. ever heard of CPR?

>>129454550
I'm actually planning to go to the local Orthodox church. I don't trust the people involved in the Catholic church here.
By the way, I just realized you are a kiwi, not an Aussie. Sorry about that.

>>129454515
In the Southern Baptist and Methodist beliefs, Once you have confessed your sins and accept Jesus, you will always have a place in heaven.

>>129454515
If you beg for mercy Allah (pbuh) will provide. Go to your local mosque today, you'll find the community very welcoming and forgiving.

>>129454853
Sir, could you please be more respectful towards the topic of this thread thanks

>>129454730
Ye, I'm baptized. Firstly I was repentant because I was simply worried, but after some time I realized I was just a dick and wanted to change. After my first communion I have never been to church for like 14 years? I went there last year 2 or 3 times and confessed mi sins.
>>129454853
Nice try Ahmed, allah is satan

>>129454823
>By the way, I just realized you are a kiwi, not an Aussie. Sorry about that.
No worries mate.

>I'm actually planning to go to the local Orthodox church.
Well then be sure to pop into a thread on 4x2chan's /Christian/ if you run into a question you want answered.

>Just occured to me we're trying to just get apostolic church generals started in /pol/ as opposed to /Catholic/ generals.
So if you see one of those you might want to pop in for a bit of Orthodox/Catholic discussion.

Regardless, best wishes to you and God bless.

>>129455023
>allah is Satan
And Muhammad is a false prophet according to thier own texts

>>129454976
im trying to save anon from choosing the wrong path. If thats a crime then im guilty.

>>129455173
Please be respectful. I never insulted any of your prophets. Jesus is respected in Islam as well.

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>>129455198
Following a false prophet and away from the one true God will not help anon.

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>>129455290
>Telling amerishit to be respectful
Just call him dirty burger and be done with it

>>129455023
>Firstly I was repentant because I was simply worried, but after some time I realized I was just a dick and wanted to change.
Sounds like you're on the right track then Anon.

>After my first communion I have never been to church for like 14 years? I went there last year 2 or 3 times and confessed mi sins.
A good start after those 14 years. Try get back to Church and go to confession again, get yourself back into a state of Grace.

And try go start going to weekly mass:

>Matthew 26:26
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

God made that sacrifice for you freely, so make sure to get in there and partake in Holy Communion. It does change you, it sure as hell has changed me over the 1 year of being Catholic.

>tfw actually know empathy now
>tfw I'm not as horrible of a person

>>129455198
The wrong path is following a religion based on a murdering warmonger, but that is neither here nor there.

>>129455290
Who's being disrespectful? Muhammad first told his people that it's fine to get along with pagans. Then he said that a demon tricked him and the angel Gabriel revealed that you should actually kill nonbelievers. According to dueteronomy, andas people "of the book" that makes him a false prophet

>>129455416
Thank you anon, but Allah is merciful and I strive to emulate his example.

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>>129455290

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You gotta believe in his water and blood to be save /pol/.

1 john 5:6

basically i means you gotta believe his baptism took up the worlds sin and his crucifixion blotted out the worlds sin.

nlmusa.com has sermon books on the subject

Sometimes I forget we are still on /pol/

You must slaughter the infidels, marry 6 years old grils, force non-believers to pay Jizya tax, make bitches wear burqas, art, literature, music, forbidden, science fuck definitely forbidden

>>129455515
Deuteronomy 18:22-24

But the prophet who presumes to speak a word in my name that I have not commanded him to speak, or who speaks in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.’ And if you say in your heart, ‘How may we know the word that the Lord has not spoken?’— when a prophet speaks in the name of the Lord, if the word does not come to pass or come true, that is a word that the Lord has not spoken; the prophet has spoken it presumptuously. You need not be afraid of him.

>>129455465
>And try go start going to weekly mass
But Bible says nothing about obligatory attending to masses. It says that God is everywhere and I can talk to him wherever I am and whenever I want.

>>129455642
This is going pretty well for /pol/.

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>How do I become a Christian, /pol/?
By loving your neighbour, your enemies, the poor, the excluded, the rejected

Still interested?

Didn't think so.

You just want to be a Christian on an anime image board to rebel against your liberal parents

MAY MAYYYYS SHADILAYYYY

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>>129450724
Stop being a cuckstian

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So uh, that story about Lot throwing his daughters out to be raped by the mob in Sodom, and then later his daughters getting him drunk and then banging him out.

Also that one where Abraham raped his slave girl and she ran away and God told her to go back and deal with it. There's a lot of old testament stuff that makes me [sweat] a little bit and question what the hell I'm following, and I don't really know how to shrug it off.

>>129455842
Luckily the Old Testament is non applicable to Christians, as Christ brought us the new covenant. OT is like the silmarillion, it's just a history of the Jews

>>129455694
>It says that God is everywhere and I can talk to him wherever I am and whenever I want.
Of course you can.

However we attend mass to partake in Communion, the body and blood given up by our Lord for the forgiveness of sins. Don't think of it as a chore, it's a gift.

Its there to help your faith and to help change you.

>But Bible says nothing about obligatory attending to masses.
Faith is not through the Bible alone. Remember that it was not until roughly the year 330 AD that the first Bible was composed. Until then (For the first 300 years after the resurrection, and the years before Jesus) people relied on oral teachings. Such as those found in the letters of the Church Fathers- the apostles disciples.

>>129455842
That doesnt sound like Allah (pbuh) at all. Allah is forgiving. He does not nuke 2 cities just because.

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>>129451758

literally my evolution of belief

>>129455842
The AT was written at a time when earthquakes were believed to be a sign of God's wrath.

The words kills the spirit gives life

>>129456041
>Devolution

>>129455983
forgive my curiosity, but is not the OT a prequel to the NT? Jesus bringing a new covenant does not erase what your god did in the OT.

>>129456026
your God is the Abrahamic God, so this story applies to you as well. Please explain if I am wrong.

>>129456167
This event is not covered in the Quran or Hadiths so i will need to consult with my elders

>>129456142
No, but the rules and laws set forth on the Jewish people need not be applied to the new Christians because the sacrifice of Christ fulfilled the need to carry out those laws.

>>129455842
The God of the Old testament is a moral monster. Plain and simple.

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>>129456263
It is not that simple. Certain parts of the Old Testament are abrogated (ceremonial and judicial laws) but all moral laws are still fully binding.

>>129451816
Go back to fucking Norea, Sabaoth

>>129455842
>So uh, that story about Lot throwing his daughters out to be raped by the mob in Sodom, and then later his daughters getting him drunk and then banging him out.
I doubt God ever approved of this. The Bible does not teach that Lot was a perfectly moral man nor was he perfect. At the time of throwing his daughters out he was probably just thinking its better to have them commit fornication as opposed to homosexual intercourse. Where a better course of action is prob available.

>Also that one where Abraham raped his slave girl and she ran away and God told her to go back and deal with it.
God did have a reason for this didn't he? I can't remember which verse you're referring to unfortunately.

>>129455983

>Luckily the Old Testament is non applicable to Christians, as Christ brought us the new covenant. OT is like the silmarillion, it's just a history of the Jews
Not entirely correct Anon. The Mosaic laws do not apply to us Christians. However the moral laws do.

>>129456142
>forgive my curiosity, but is not the OT a prequel to the NT? Jesus bringing a new covenant does not erase what your god did in the OT.
That is correct anon. But the mosaic laws have been abolished as the messiah has came, thus fulfilling that covenant.

>>129456255
Fair enough.

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>>129455983
some of the old testament still matters, but a lot of commandments were for the survival of the Jews as God was the government more or less.
Or at least that's what makes sense to me

>>129456142
The Law of Moses regulated almost every aspect of life in Old Testament times. But with the coming of Christ, God established a new covenant of faith and love with mankind. Christians are not required to follow the Old Testament rules about crimes and punishments, warfare, slavery, diet, circumcision, sacrifices, feast days, Sabbath observance, tithing, ritual cleanness, etc. However, the moral and ethical teachings of Jesus and his apostles call for even greater self-discipline than those of the Old Testament.
We must follow the New Testament because it represents the most recent and most perfect revelation from God.

>>129456026
Doesn't Muhammed himself mentions somewhere to look into the Christians and their Bible?

I cannot quite remember the context but I believe it was something a long the lines of 'for other matters consult the bible of the Christians'

Which in turn should also include the story of Sodom?

>>129453616
how can i get a job in the Church? I'd like to become a treasurer for them

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>>129456360
>people say what i meant better than me and quicker
well shoot

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>>129450724
Cut off your prefrontal cortex

>>129456559
>how can i get a job in the Church? I'd like to become a treasurer for them

I am not too sure on this. However I would imagine you would go to your local parish committee to see if they need any help with the Church in some manner. And find out if there is any treasury positions available in any of the churches in that parish.

However I'm afraid I can't help too much with that one anon.

So yeah, hey me again. I tried talking to a friend at work about this since he's pretty devout. I tried to throw the idea that some of the old testament stuff should be ignored, and he refused that outright because he quoted Jesus

> "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill."

So I uh. Iunno what to ride with this one.

>>129450881
This is broadly correct, but know that the prayer at the end is just an example and not something required of you. The fact that you repeat it means nothing if you do not possess faith in Christ, which will bear fruit in good works. People tend to treat this type of thing like a magic spell or something, so I wanted to post a warning.

Read the major works of religions, philosophies, theosophy, science and place them all with their appropriate political motivations. Learn to listen to your own soul. Anything that makes you want to wretch when you contemplate living like that, reject it. Try anything that makes your soul feel like you're flying and start with that. Do not blindly follow anything.

If you are going the Christianity route please at least bother to read some of Gnostic texts and books that were rejected from the Bible like the book of Enoch and gospel of Thomas.

>>129457091
>I tried to throw the idea that some of the old testament stuff should be ignored, and he refused that outright because he quoted Jesus
It may have been the way you phrased it perhaps by using the word ignored. I don't believe I could explain it better than the following link:

https://www.gotquestions.org/abolish-fulfill-law.html

That gives a much more in depth explanation on the whole mosaic vs moral law being fufilled etc.

>>129457098

Of course. Repeating words =/= believing on Jesus. I think the prayer is there to help the new believer vocalize what should be happening in the heart.

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>>>/x/

Gnostics are conspiracy theorists or mentally ill.

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>>129457091
I'll try to explain. Christ did fulfill the law rather than abolishing. A Christian is saved because the obedience of Christ is imputed to them, and they are thus accounted perfectly righteous before God. Christ fulfilled all of the law and this is accounted to those who have faith. So obeying the law does not save you. Rather, obedience to the law will be produced in a person with faith, because the Holy Spirit works within them, increasing their love of God and their desire to freely obey God's commandments. So we try to obey the law not to save ourselves, but because we love the lawmaker.

The above applies to the moral law. There are other types of laws in the Old Testament. One is judicial law, which primarily concerns civil punishments for crimes. These were handed down to the state of Israel, which no longer exists; they are therefore no longer binding in their original sense. The other type is ceremonial law. This refers to regulations of diet, clothing, ritual cleanliness, etc. These are non-binding, as they were given to the Jewish people specifically so that God could separate a people unto himself through which the Messiah would be born. They also have various typological roles which have been fulfilled in their respective antitypes. That's a very basic explanation of course.

>>129457136
Thomas was written around 400 AD so remember to take that text with a grain of salt (probably less).

>>129455842
>So uh, that story about Lot throwing his daughters out to be raped by the mob in Sodom, and then later his daughters getting him drunk and then banging him out.

The reason that Lot offered his daughters was because the law of hospitality takes precedence to the purity of his daughters. Meaning you are more at fault for harm to guests of your house than your own family.

As for his rapist daughters, it was a story to explain the origin of their neighbors. Essentially insulting their nearby peoples but also showing common decent pay attention to the people's the daughter's descendants become.

>Also that one where Abraham raped his slave girl and she ran away and God told her to go back and deal with it. There's a lot of old testament stuff that makes me [sweat] a little bit and question what the hell I'm following, and I don't really know how to shrug it off.

Abraham didn't rape her.

The reason she ran away was because Sarah was being a bitch to her.

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>>129455842
>There's a lot of old testament stuff that makes me [sweat] a little bit and question what the hell
Yeah it's generally not for faggot plebbitors. The hippie movement might suit you better.

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>>129450724

Well, you have to be able to imagine an invisible man in sky, spying at you when you when you take a shit or when you are having a perverted thought, and if you catches you doing something that he does not like, he will put you into a buring pool of lave because he loves.

¿How do you know if you are a christian?

NOT A CHRISTIAN:
You find all of this very funny, and want to know he was the genius that wrote the dystopian fiction known as the bible.

A CHRISTIAN:
You belive all of this and you live in fear of a all powerfull tyrant that will not allow you to have a holy wank unless it is children porn, because children are symbols of inocence, so it is ok to sin with the little fuckers.

>>129457513

Butthurt towelhead

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Allah is the only true god you will burn in hell infidel

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>>129450724
>Becoming Christian
>How do I become a Christian, /pol/?
filthy christkikes
lying jesus scum
dirty christian kikes

>>129458443
Towelhead?

Is that another word for orthodox Christian faith?

>>129457412
Yes, that's why it's there. But there is a very real problem of people viewing the "sinner's prayer" as effective for salvation in itself. Certain types of churches even push this openly.

WOW you idiots amuse me.
The first version of a Bible portrays God as a moral fag, why? Cuz it was WRITTEN BY A RAT-FACED J E W.
Whatever Jesus taught you it came from his experience with Buddhism. He went and study it during his youth then came back to teach you. So IF you truly want to be a good person, study Buddhism!
Now onto modern times, there are rumours the pedophiles in Vatican alters the word of Jesus to their liking, all versions of Bible is affected. We only know if they open the Archive for public study!

Being Christian is easy, being Catholic is another thing, be a Christian or a Buddhist.

You don't have to follow the beliefs.

>>129459315
>you don't have to follow the beliefs
You don't count then

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>>129458649
cancerous faggot its you again ?

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>>129459315
>be a a Buddhist.
>You don't have to follow the beliefs.

>>129459247
>Whatever Jesus taught you it came from his experience with Buddhism
>Now onto modern times, there are rumours the pedophiles in Vatican alters the word of Jesus to their liking, all versions of Bible is affected. We only know if they open the Archive for public study
There is almost no difference between orthodox, catholic and protestant bibles.

>>129459247
Your position is about as nuisanced as a gender queer leftist who is justifying the soul

>>129459247

¿Do you really need a reward to be a good person?

Honestly all of those people who are being "good people" just to go heaven or nirvana are just like the people who are not happy that they got no sex after being nice to other people.

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>>129459643
>Your position is about as nuisanced as a gender queer leftist who is justifying the soul

>>129459723
When an argument is so inane and self defeating that logical discourse would be a waste of time mockery is most deserved.

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>>129459840
>When an argument is so inane and self defeating that logical discourse would be a waste of time mockery is most deserved.
big words for a dirty christkike
there is no nonargument
jesus is just wrong

>>129459941
How do you convince an insane man that he isn't Jesus Christ?

Mockery.

How do you convince a conspiracy theorist they are foolish?

>>129450724
Start by NOT posting christchan because then the buck toothed dog eater shows up and thread ruined.

>>129459400
>>129459554
I've been a ghost member for 14 years.
I can't help it, I just don't care about it.

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>>129457136
>If you are going the Christianity route please at least bother to read some of Gnostic texts and books that were rejected from the Bible like the book of Enoch and gospel of Thomas.

Satanic horseshit, and you're preaching it. Gnosticism is just a rehashing of Plato's ideas about how we don't and can't really no anything or take it as face value unless we are a true Philosopher King™ and can see what it
>Really™
means.

1 Corinthians 15:29-34
>Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead? And why stand we in jeopardy every hour? I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily. If after the manner of men I have fought with beasts at Ephesus, what advantageth it me, if the dead rise not? let us eat and drink; for to morrow we die. Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners. Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

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>>129460069
>How do you convince an insane man that he isn't Jesus Christ?
>Mockery.
>How do you convince a conspiracy theorist they are foolish?
call them garbage >>129447584

>>129460069

>How do you convince an insane man that he isn't Jesus Christ?

>Mockery.

No.... you put the insane man in a mental hospital.

Please, mad men do not have bad arguments, they are simply: mad.

But you are not mad, you are simply a stupid person.

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>>129450724
You don't. Embrace your forebears' gods.

http://www.axenthof.org/reading.html

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>>129460381

Satan only wants to help, he answers prayers, unlike some invisble man in the sky

>>129450724
Walk into any evangelical church anywhere on a Sunday morning and you will instantly be mobbed by about 20 people trying to convert you.

You might even find yourself a QT that wants to "save" you.

>>129459691
no, makes your life and your future better. once you "woke" you see heaven is pointless
>>129459643
stop drinking flouridated water and meditate 15'/day, you'll see.

>>129450724
Fuck this purple Spanish aspie in this thread. OP, ACTUALLY read the bible and you will understand.

Jeremiah 5:21 - Hear now this, O foolish people and without heart, who have eyes and do not see; who have ears, and do not hear

And to the faggot atheist sodomites on this forsaken board

18 ¶ If the world hates you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love its own; but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hates you.

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>>129460616

Fuck off heathen

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>>129461538
>Fuck off heathen
convert him, yude

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>>129461405
I'm actually watching a sermon on this subject now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g22KhM4iBw

Luke 6:22
>Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

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>>129461405
>>>129450724 (OP)
>Fuck this purple Spanish aspie in this thread.
>Jeremiah 5:21
>to the faggot atheist sodomites on this forsaken board
dirty christkike >>129449709

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>>129461755
dirty filthy lying amerimexi jesusjew antigay christkike >>129452136

>>129461538
You first, kike worshiper.

>>129455173
>And Muhammad is a false prophet according to thier own texts
and died a false prophet's death after tempting God by saying that if he is lying, may God sever his aorta ... (fastforward to Muhammad being poisoned by a Jew) ... Muhammad: I feel like my aorta has been cut. And, so he died slowly, in the most pain that his child-bride, Aisha, had ever seen anyone in (which is saying something). The end.

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>>129452749
So, just so I understand, your explaination on your cult-inspirational leader is that he comes back to life through...
dun-dun-dun unexplainable magical power?

Thats the explaination as you understand it?

And you fucking believe it? Well shit, I guess its from a reliable source, because its not like anyone could ever be mislead or misinformed on that.

You know there are, like, mundane ways to fake a ressurection, right?

But you ruled that out, without even having a mechanism that could explain your version of events other than 'god-magic'.

The rationalists question would be... why?
Are you... simple?

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>>129462675
worked it all out, haven't you, christkike
according to your filthy lying texts, your dirty christjew jesus was nailed to a cross by a jew or a roman ordered by the jews and that proves he's god, goyim!
ok christkike shlomo

>>129450724
Dude, the Bible is free to read on the internet or download from the app store.

Catholicism is just paganism with extra steps. You slapped a Jewish/Hebrew DLC onto it. Your basis of theology is all rooted into Socratic and Platonic philosophy. You have festivals for the solstices and equinoxes, a fertility festival reskinned as a ressurection festival. You perform a sacrifice every day in the Eucharist, which leftovers are literally poured back into the Earth. Oh how pagan of you to give back to Earth. You venerate the Saints and ask their intercession which is just an evolved form of ancestor veneration. You have a queen of heaven that gave birth to a diving being that came to Earth. Never heard that story before.

Just take out the merchant middleman and embrace the gods of your ancestors. All of you newly minted Catholics hear their call and misunderstand it for the Jewish flavored paganism called Catholicism. The Crusades can't save you from the Muslim horde. Your international faith makes you crave civic nationalism and to bring them into your faith as brothers and sisters whereas paganism has built in the idea of "insiders" and "outsiders".

Woden demands you stop being cucks and start striving for fame, glory, remembrance, a family legacy, and to be like the gods themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjEqoltgSQE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yqrBO2YYxc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwWmmNJGqOc

And if you still intend to be Christian, let's at least hold off this divisive bickering until European civilization isn't at risk of dying off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2vdR1icRvM

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>>129463281
Absolutely degenerate to mistreat our mother Earth in that way. We need to live a simpler life.

>>129453616
Is it possible to reach absolutely EVERY intellectual position, true or false, by faith?

Doesn't this FIRMLY demonstrate that faith is NOT a reliable pathway to truth?

Doesn't this suggest that you could use faith to jump to the first religion you came across, making it a WILD STAB IN THE DARK?

If THAT god, of 'faith' existed, isn't that a ROTTEN, and INCOMPETENT way to run a universe? What kind of trickster deity is so INCOMPETENT that the best method they give you for reaching the truth is also THE SAME METHOD that could be used to jump to a false truth, such as about BAAL worship, or Hinduism?
Before you would justify the faith with storys about the mythical religious figures, you must be aware that the other, competing religions HAVE SIMILAR STORYS.

Wouldn't reserving judgement be more prudent than just playing make-believe?

>>129453879
That is TOTALLY different from Feminism, and you know it.

Stop trying to compare Christianity to feminism, they are nothing alike.

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>>129458393
>will not allow you to have a holy wank unless it is children porn
I'm curious: who do you actually expect to believe this? Throughout the Bible, the only condoned sexual thoughts/actions are those attributed toward one's SPOUSE. Go talk out of your ass somewhere else, heathen.

>>129450881
If it's this easy, why have all the churches and rituals?

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>>129454190
Its not a question as to whether or not one could stage a miracle to fool a bunch of illiterate tribal desert people.

Shit, you can fool the poor today if you pretended to be a faith healer with enough clout.

I mean, doesn't Jesus go around teaching his cult how to do the same kind of faith healing scams in the bible?

Its not a question as to whether or not it was possible to fake a ressurection, the question is why are people so motivated to TAKE ON HERESAY that this one, THIS ONE HERE wasn't faked, and that the reported storys are true, genuine and totally happened.

How did they rule it being faked out? I mean heres one: Theres tombs that have tunnels in them. Previous fakers have been 'buried alive' and of course sneak out the tunnel, and sneak back in a few days later.

Its been done by Fakirs in India for literally thousands of years and we have proof. Its not the only miracle that could and HAS been faked, either.

So how did the people that think god is real and the JEWS got the right deity rule out fakery here?

I mean its not like their cult rests on a central figure of authority or anything for its legitimacy.
...
Oh wait.

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>>129463043
>being so stupid as to not understand context.
Have fun with that.

>>129450724
Let someone fucked your wife and say it was god, name your son Jesus. You are now a Christian.

>>129454374
Category fallacy
X =/= (not)X
Truth is perhaps better defined as 'that which corresponds to reality'.
What about what you believe can be DEMONSTRATED to correspond with reality, out of curiosity?

>>129463797
Because that is not what Paul is saying

t. ex evangelical

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>>129463162
I "intend to be Christian" because it is the truth. You """"""""""""""""""""""pagans"""""""""""""""""""" preaching lies and damnation not only make shit up about your own "faith" (which got completely fucking annihilated by the very same people you constantly call "cucks"), but of course endlessly have to scream "Jew" because you calculate that it's unpopular on a far-right image board to be perceived of having "Jewish" ideas, which is complete sophistry and dishonesty.

If there is any hope for Western Civilization it will be because God has saved us from our own stupidity and because we began following his ways.

Ephesians 6:12
>For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

2 Chronicles 7:14
>If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

1 John 4:4
>Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

>>129459247
>Buddhist Jesus
Citation needed

>>129459247
>Whatever Jesus taught you it came from his experience with Buddhism
Jesus never visited india

Squats and oats

>>129463043
No the ressurection proves that, dummy. Your repeated childish name calling is boring more than offensive

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>>129450724

how come you guys talk about being christian yet after sunday you go right back to being hateful, spite-filled assholes the next day? it seems like a lot of you guys just want to experience the rituals and traditions of this faith without actually doing any of the unfun parts like being nice to people.

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>>129465694
>it seems like a lot of you guys just want to experience the rituals and traditions of this faith without actually doing any of the unfun parts like being nice to people.
Is anything wrong with that?

>>129465694
Why am I being mean to people in the internet who are making up lies, insulting me and my faith, and trying to lead astray the souls of those who wish to know Christ as thier savior and be saved from damnation?
Idk, I must be a fake Christian. I should just let the Muslims and atheist lead the children astray
>like 17:2
It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.
Jesus never said to sit around passively and not be engaged

>>129465951
*luke 17:12

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Go Rome ,or go home

>>129465951
>>129466391
This. Jesus said to love thy neighbor as thyself, but that isn't equivalent to just letting your neighbor do whatever they want, nor is it truly equivalent to pacifism. Jesus, HIMSELF, throughout the gospels harshly rebuked people for doing and saying wrong things.

If there is a God, he does not love humanity and he does not conform to the morality you make up for yourself.

He does not deserve your worship. He does not care about you. You will suffer and gain nothing for it.

Create your own meaning.

>>129467120
Great thing we can get from paganism is ancestor veneration... our ancestors care a hell of a lot more than any god. The gods only care about you if you become the hero archetype and gain fame.

>>129466820
(Matthew 16:23) But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.
Jesus said that to PETER, because Peter didn't want him to be crucified. There ARE times where harshness is appropriate, and we must rebuke people that sew evil.

>>129465951
>It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.

seems like a really vague way of justifying killing people for speaking against christianity.

>>129467120
... says the guy who has probably never read the Bible, and understand nothing of the nature of God, or the nature of evil/suffering.

>>129450724
>how do I become a desert cultist, /pol/ ?

>>129467300
That passage alludes to the punishment of such people at the day of judgment. It is saying that their fate will be worse drowning. Please work on that whole "learning how to read" thing.

>>129467649
Become a Coptic

>>129467261
>>129466820
Thank you. Too many Christians (or people thinking what a Christian is supposed to be) imagine we should be Amish. Keeping someone from salvation because your afraid of hurting thier feelings or getting called a Christfag is a pretty selfish thing to do

>>129450724
You're a sinner and you're going to hell. Jesus came down from heaven and was sacrificed as a scapegoat for all the sins of the world including yours. If you believe that he is the Messiah and that he died for you then God will weigh your sins against Jesus' sacrifice and you'll go to heaven.

That's it. Any church that tells you there are more steps is Satanic and trying to lead you down the wrong path, usually because they greedily want more control over their followers.

>>129467300
T. Never read the Bible and doesn't understand context

>>129463964
aaaaaaand zero replies.

>>129453902
Crusades Part 2: Electric Bugaloo

it's not exactly an exclusive club

>>129450724
Get a lobotomy and learn to love Semites

>>129473460
Good goys, they are, the Jews are the chosen of G-d. :G)

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>>129450724
Yes you do

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>>129452282
>invent an entire bizarre story about concepts fucking to create more concepts
>Christians are the insane ones
mffw

>>129452749
pssst.... he's meming you...
>People die when they are killed.

>>129465564
Happy Trinity Sunday.

>>129471868
Because he came back and taught for another 40 days after the ressurection, being witnessed by thousands of people st the time.

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>>129451993
I hope you someday realize how wrong you really are.
I'll be praying for you.

Deism = You think God exists.

Theism = You think you know what God wants from you.

Atheism is easy.

Adeism is difficult, but just as difficult as Deism, because there's no proof for Adeism and no proof for Deism — it is an unfalsifiable hypothesis, so you can only remain Agnostic.

There you go:
Agnostic Atheism.

Pray to God. Ask forgiveness for your past sins. Pledge to follow him and that you believe Jesus is your savior. Finding a church with people that actually care to see others grow spiritually is a good second step. First step is to read the new testament. Try to be like Jesus.

t. Methodist

>>129451590
Cringe tier logic m8
Also misspelling and grammatical errors abound in your crappy image.

>>129451083
wrong. its the best decision you can make

>>129477758
t. Cult member

>>129450724
there are different types of Christians, you have the methodist,baptists, etc. its just which ever one you like

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>hello, I am a thing
>fuck
>I did a thing
>let's fuck
>fuck
>fucking
>this thing
>what the fuck
>I exist
>well fuck
>some shit or some shit
>I'll just call it [inset Greek name of a philosophical concept] or some shit
>ohmygodwhathaveidone

I hate this style of trying to explain things to people. Not everything has to be tumblrized for plebs to understand it.

Typically by bashing your head against a wall and rejecting volumes of scientific data

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why are pagans such butthurt fags?

>>129480781
Because they are irrelevant and so worship "muh ancestors" to be a snowflake, even though their ancestors converted to Christianity 1000 years ago

>>129450724
>Read the book
>Go to church
>Become part of the community
>Follow the teachings
>Brush-up your lifestyle
>Use the teachings to become a better person
>???
>Profit
It doesn't necessarily matter what order you do those steps in.

>>129483143
wtf is up with your filename?

>>129452178
Haha of course I now 99% of you are newborns brainwashed by a fucking cult.

>>129453902
We need to actually post more about this Allah be praised.

>>129478971
it does for gnostics because they are actually that dim

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