How come 4chan uses lotr for, political memes. and tumblr the

Example of tumblr Harry Potter memes?

>>129430791
no example but every leftist uni student here in canada also typically goes to quidicks or however the fuck you spell it and goes to bubblebeer fests, and just shoehorn harry potter to everything

>>129430486
>Lotr PG-13
>Harry Potter PG
Liberals believe the world should be PG

>>129430486
LoTR is about a group of people who have to embark on a quest for the good of the world despite not having any special abilities (in fact, they are weaker than everything they face). The group makes strong alliances but ultimately accomplish the goal on their own.

Harry Potter is about a bunch of kids who are born with magic powers and overcome evil because they are special snowflakes.

You hate HP because it is liberal and like LoTR because it is based.

Harry Potter is for children and leftists have childish minds.

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>>129430791

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Wow. That's BETA AS FUCKKKK

Because LoTR is unretarded and not a story literally written for children.

>>129430486
A multi ethnic team of heroes set their differences and defeat a threat wanting to destroy them all. Then all come back to their homes.

>>129430486
Because Tumblr doesn't even know what "moloch" is.
That's how little they know about how horrific our world is right now.

>>129431572
This.
They wouldn't get the deeper messages.

the LotR posting was also conceived as satire of people on the left who see politics through the lens of young adult literature

-Ronald Weasley
Hey Harry! Wanna play with my wand?!
-Harry Pothead
Sure Ron!

*Slurp Slurp*

>>129430486
And elves and dwarves are awesome.

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>>129430486
>and tumblr the opposite of 4chan uses harry potter

If you've been on the internet the past couple decades, you'd have noticed that Harry Potter fandom/fanfiction was major on LiveJournal, which went on (eventually) to Tumblr before blasting out on Facebook/Twitter/etc. It was mostly preteen/teen girls, who still can't think about anything but Harry Potter into their late 20s, early 30s. This is basically now the major internet political force for the left: people who read and wrote Harry/Snape/Ron threesomes.

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>>129431906
WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>129432003
I am sorry I'm a fucking elven male!!

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>>129432075
Exactly! NOW SHOW SOME RESPECT THIS BEAUTY, If you may have intercourse with her. Remember she needs to say yes to every thrust!

>>129432251
ASK if you may
sorry I fucked up my meme.

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>>129431443

>Be Me at 18
>Have immigrant (white) Qt gf
>dyed red hair and pale skin.
>Names her Black dog Nigger because it's funny.
>Doesn't believe in the holocaust because "jewish gypsies tell lies."
>Get her to wear my replica SS cap and she giggles when she says Heil Hitler.
>Years later and my heart twinges with nostalgia watching Murdoch-Murdoch
>Replay some of the scenes of Murdoch-Chan giving a roman salute.

I miss her.

>>129432333
WHY WOULD YOU LET HER GO

>>129432421

It wasn't my choice.

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>>129432479
>>129432479
WHY WOULD YOU FUCK IT UP THEN

>>129432251
*gulps* Yes Matriarch! I must atone for my sins.

>>129432251
*Then proceeds to die under 4 tons of beef curtains*

>>129430486
comma, usage

>>129432251
Stephan Fry ha really let himself go.

>>129432605
SERVES YOU RIGHT RACIST
>>129432635
Cut me a break it's 6 am here, and I have not gone to bed yet, also I am a bit tipsy

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>>129430486
Both of them are poor literature, does't fucking matters wich one you pick, you'll keep being consumed by this sad and mediocre shit that most of people think that have any value.

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>>129432980
LoTR poor literature
Proceed here and neck yourself please

>>129432980
LoTR is a masterpiece. GTFO!!!!!!!!!!!!

Because LOTR was intentionally a mythologisation of eruopean history up to the great war

>>129430486
lotr is bassed desu

>>129432980
LOTR is great literature though. To say otherwise is just ignorance on the subject of literature. Tolkien was a scholar and a masterful writer, while Rowling is just a liberal hack.

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>>129433200
>>129433279

Arguments, please. And don't use that old "but Tolkin created a huge universe" shit. Art should not be judged by what you feel about it, but by what it is objectively. So, proceed with some solid literary theory at least.

>>129430983
do they even use it for politics

>>129430983
The deathly Hallows tattoo is a giveaway that a girl is an insane leftist

>>129430486
because 4chans memes are actually funny.

theirs consist of "DRUMP IS LITRULLY VOLDIMORT, WE ARE LARRY POTTERS!"

>>129431572
LOTR is literally a cautionary tale about the heebs. Stfu, kike.

>>129432797
>>129433728
not the time boy
going to bed in 5

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>>129430486
I did use a lotr reference once, so guilty as charged

Because Harry Potter is for fags

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>>129433663
Tolkien didn't know nothing about literary aesthetics. Was a huge Intellectual, but that doesn't make you a good writer. Pick some of the great, for example: James Joyce, Flaubert, Shakespeare. They are miles away from Tolkien.
Rowling can really make Tolkien looks like a genius, but he's not.

>>129434448
Doesn't make him****
Fuck

>>129430486
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuHwwI0QOC4

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>>129433728

>>129434525
You actually just answered my question perfectly.
This just embodies what I have been thinking.
It's so simple but yet so complicated, That FAG scream, just says everything.
I am being serious

>>129433728
I've got a solid literary theory.

You're gay.

>>129433728

Yeah, anything written here will pale in comparison to the countless works by literary scholars about Tolkien.

And before you ask for them, use google you fucking huehuehue monkey.

>>129434684
Great shit, anon. You should really consider any list you find on the internet.
>>129435250
Yeah I suck big juicy balls

>>129434854
one of my favorite South Park truth nuggets, even tho they're LARPing as hobbits, at least they can still dismiss the Harry Potter kids

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>>129430791

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>>129430486

Harry Potter is a real Mary Sue-fest, much like the new Star Wars with Rey. It's attractive to people who wish they were Mary Sues. In other words, want the ability to be all-powerful and talented with the least amount of effort. You're just born special. You'll find the same general pattern in most mainstream shows and children's movies. There's also more of a nostalgic factor with Harry Potter, because it was always a go-to movie for schools, say band trips, substitute teachers, etc. and it's easier for kids to relate to, because the characters are kids and go to school. More people saw it an age of easy influence, and more recently too.

Lord of the Rings is a story of little ordinary people saving the world in the most dire of times, armed primarily with courage and hope, who band together with their peers in struggle to drive back an insurmountable evil. It's more attractive to people who want to fight for something, people who like heroes with bottomless willpower. There is some relative plot armor, but it's less obvious, and manages to border on believable enough. I'd say it's more of an average man's/woman's movie, aimed at people older than 18 (excluding The Hobbit). The PG-13 rating meant you didn't get to watch it between your indoctrination sessions as a kid at public school, and so it made less penetration into the average person's thought process/memory.

>>129435357
You really consider you're self an intelectual for reading Tolkien? You may think Cornwell is a great writer as well. Read Aristotle's Poetics, you should at least try to understand literature, and should try this at first.
Not just literature btw, but you sound a bit pretentious, so educate you're self before, you fat ignorant.

>>129430791
It's not quite memetics; it's just that they often make parallels with teenage fiction books when talking about politics - not just Harry Potter. They often use that one book with the 13 districts and whatnot, too. I don't care enough to remember the name

>>129433728
>the huehue cannot into literature.
Well colour me fucking shocked

Harry Potter is a whiny pussy ass faggot who never does anything and only wins because he has magic Mary Sue powers.

In the HP books having any form of determination, cunning, or will makes you automatically evil.

On the other hand Harry Potter is automatically good because "his mommy loves him"

You can tell a woman wrote it.

>>129435738
>PG-13 rating meant you didn't get to watch it
In Bulgaria, while it didn't really do well in cinemas, everyone knows about LotR - at least some parts of it. Everybody has been pirating the fuck out of movies for god knows how long - and this hasn't stopped at all today.

>>129430486
>Does that explain why I fucking hate harry potter?
No. That is the case because you have any shred of taste.

LOTR was written by a talented war veteran and portrays some of Tolkiens experiences/traumas in artistic fashion, Harry Potter was written by a female liberal who never struggled for anything in her life.

>>129431268
>despite not having any special abilities
>wizard
>master bowman
OK then
Also they went born with magic they had to learn it at hogworts

>>129436564
Point me some aussie writters then, anon. Rhonda Byrne? Great one

>>129437623
They were born with magic you daft cunt, have you actually read HP? They're separated by muggles and magical folk, as in, some are born able to do magic and some aren't.

>>129434155
>heebs
Like I said, unretarded.

>>129430486
lotr is awesome, hp is for cucks

if you unironically prefer hp you are not white and should kys for being a beta

>>129437741
OK but they still have to learn to use it there not automatically good

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>>129432479
Well... That's a bummer. But it not being your choice to end it is better than blowing it, kid.

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>>129430486
>Redditors make"orcs are nigs" memes and post all over LOTR subreddits
>"hey guise so 4chin uses lotr memes right haha"

>>129439014
We would use the far more esoteric and patrician WH40K cannon desu. That's what happened in the meme war.

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>4chan loves Spongebob
>Facebook loves Spongebob
>Tumblr loves Spongebob
>Reddit loves Spongebob
>Twitter loves Spongebob

Can Spongebob be the force that unites all the communities on the internet in peace?

>>129434448
>James Joyce
>I was a Flower of the mountain yes when I put the rose in my hair like the Andalusian girls used or shall I wear a red yes and how he kissed me under the Moorish wall and I thought well as well him as another and then I asked him with my eyes to ask again yes and then he asked me would I yes to say yes my mountain flower and first I put my arms around him yes and drew him down to me so he could feel my breasts all perfume yes and his heart was going like mad and yes I said yes I will Yes.
James Joyce was a hack.

LOTR is a traditionalist masterpiece where kings and environment triumph over modern industry and greedy merchants/empire.

Harry Potter is trash tier progressive crap.

It makes sense.

>>129439279
I've never watched Spongebob, just the YTPs of it.

>>129431803
I applaud your timely efforts to accuse Rowling of lazily using offensive stereotypes, but can even that irony prevent it from being one the dullest franchises in the history of movie franchises? Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the books were good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.

>>129434448
Yes, Tolkien is obviously nowhere near writers like James Joyce. But to outright call Tolkien a bad writer is just ridiculous. He is just about the only fantasy writer that can be said to be literary and not just genre garbage. He knew about aesthetics, but that was not really what he strove for. And I can agree that his prose, especially in the later novels that Christopher edited, can be a bit tiring.

James Joyce is also my favorite writer, and Portrait of the artist my favorite book, so it's not like I don't understand where you're coming from.

>>129439285
Flow of thought, I do not know exactly how this term is translated, but it's a literary technique. Are you even trying?

>>129434448
>James Joyce

Pretentious bullshit. No one actually like his writing, they just pretend to.

Anyhow, not fair to compare Tolkien to Shakespeare.

>>129434448
Tolkien writes stories and makes up universe, he gives no shit about "literary" crap.

That shit is for leftist.

Ask fucking homer or the greeks if they care about proses, no, they want to tell fuck awesome stories.

>>129437623
He's talking about the Hobbits obviously. You know, the main protagonists.

>>129430791
Harry Potter is one of the dullest franchises in the history of movie franchises. Seriously each episode following the boy wizard and his pals from Hogwarts Academy as they fight assorted villains has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the gloomy imagery, the series’ only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of special effects, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Rowling vetoed the idea of Spielberg directing the series; she made sure the series would never be mistaken for a work of art that meant anything to anybody?just ridiculously profitable cross-promotion for her books. The Harry Potter series might be anti-Christian (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-James Bond series in its refusal of wonder, beauty and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the books were good though
"No!"
The writing is dreadful; the book was terrible. As I read, I noticed that every time a character went for a walk, the author wrote instead that the character "stretched his legs."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Rowling's mind is so governed by cliches and dead metaphors that she has no other style of writing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of Harry Potter by the same Stephen King. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are reading Harry Potter at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to read Stephen King." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you read "Harry Potter" you are, in fact, trained to read Stephen King.

>>129439559
It's stream of consciousness.


>>129439564
I genuinely love everything he wrote and worship the man. It's time to accept that you're just a pseud who knows nothing about literature, anon.
>>129439285
That passage is a masterpiece and absolutely sublime, though. And it's quite famous for being so. If you can't understand why that passage is good, you really should not be talking about literature at all.

>>129439537
Agreed, anon. Completely.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PuHwwI0QOC4

>>129439404
Lotr is and Harry Potter are both bottom of the barrel fantasy ficion tho

>>129439661
Homer, and most of the Greeks, wrote in lyrical meter and not prose, though, so that's not a very fair assessment. Plato was also a great prose stylist.

>>129439782
LOTR is the modern day Beowulf, that is not bottom of barrel fiction, and I will slap anyone who says that.

>>129439559
>>129439708
This is why Joyce is garbage, because the level of shilling and apologia from his fanboys is absurd. Worse than fucking CTR's Hillary campaign.

>>129439661
"Literarycrap". Sad litlle anon. Also, leftists are destroying literature

>>129439833
Homer and Tolkien have a lot more similarity than fucking Shakespeare.

Homer, Tolkien tell/write fucking mythological epics, Shakespeare writes DRAMAS with some epics (the English kings series).

>>129430486
LotR is sophisticated and redpilled compared
to HP.

I wonder if Tolkien would shitpost so fucking hard on twitter the way Rowling does. probably not. he'd just smoke his pipe and read and prepare to write another decent book.

>>129439893
Literary crap is about leftists who mesmerizing themselves over stupid ass proses and rthyms i.e. fucking /lit/.

While we ring wingers talk about the rage of Achilles and the labours of Hercules.

>>129439861
Beowulf is a solid narrow story. Lotr and Potter are universes that are poorly constructed. GoT has the right essence, even tho the series is turning shit

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>both are british writers

>>129439782
>bottom of the barrel fantasy ficion
>LotR

I'm not a big LotR but LotR is literally the definite hallmark for fantasy literature history.

>>129439877
So an author having followers that are genuinely passionate about their writing makes them garbage? I don't really understand the point that you're trying to make. Perhaps you should just come to terms with the fact that if people are so passionate about him, there's probably a good reason why. Comparing an academically and critically acclaimed author to politics is also a rather retarded analogy.

>>129440009
How the fuck is LOTR universe "poorly constructed"?
>GoT has the right essence, even tho the series is turning shit
GoT is shit and has always been shit.

>>129439708
>I genuinely love everything he wrote and worship the man.

This is how I know you're lying. You see, there's never a casual fan of Joyce. People either claim to never had read him (usually saying he's on their list and it's something they have to do), or they claim he's God on Earth and needs to be worshiped. This leads me to believe that no one actually likes his writing or that they get any kind of enjoyment out of it, just that it's something they <<must>> read, and thus having read it, <<understand>> his intellect.

Call me a pseudo. But Joyce himself thought you guys were dumb, which is why he intentionally made Ulysses long and complex just to cause literary scholars to analyze his work. That isn't art.

>>129440088
People are passionate about fucking Harry Potters.

Face it, taste exists and some tastes are shit.

>>129437168
>who never struggled for anything in her life.

that is absolutely wrong though. she was poor and on welfare.

>>129440204
On welfare is the opposite of struggling for life.

>>129431890
Tara is one little racist white poo jew

>>129440125
For real, I've never read nothing but The Portrait and it's a unique work. It's not a complex book.

>>129440204
Gas yourself.

>>129440250
no, it's not. the process that comes before that is the tough shit. you get rejected from every other employer and then you have to admit that you actually need to apply for welfare or else starve to death. and on top of that, welfare system wants you to still look for shitty jobs and if you don't they gonna cut welfare and take it from you. get your facts straight.

>>129432980
>Brazilian intellectual
Most of you are niggers, get out

>>129436253
Anybody that thinks he is an intellectual should be given the death penalty.

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>>129430486
because Tolkien was better than the garbage sci-fi of today

>>129440353
it's true. you wouldn't know about the hardships of anybody's life unless they told you about it.

>>129440081
Hallmark yes, but still there are no faction dynamic

>>129440099
You are on /pol/ a forum for politics, yet you dont understand the fundamentals. You are a dumb

>>129440383
The fact you get welfare means you aren't struggling for life.

When you starve for a day or two, you can earn that title.

>>129440125
>Missing the point of Joyce's writing this much
>being this ignorant and trying to make bold statements
A lot of people who seriously study literature absolutely love Joyce's writing, and for good reason. He was the best of the modernists, and arguably the greatest prose writer of all time. I can assure you that I sincerely enjoy every single page that the man wrote.

Also, Finnegans wake is the one that he made complex and stated that literary scholars would be arguing over what exactly he meant for generations to come. Ulysses was Joyce experimenting with different styles and seeing how far he could take the novel. And Finnegans wake was his sincere effort to see how far he could take language in the novel format.

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>>129430791
Found this piece of absolute cringe the other day.

>>129440383
She's a liberal, it's not beneath her to suck cock for money when she needs some extra cash

>>129440479
I don't see how that refutes anything I said.
maybe she did starve years back. needing to live on welfare sucks either way and it's bad for your self-esteem.

>>129440465
The fundamentals?

Fundamentally, if you don't like LOTR, one of the greatest piece of right wing literature, you aren't worth one fucking shit on this board.

Now if you consider GOT to be better than LOTR, your taste is just shit.

GOT is an example of modern art. Full of contents, just that the contents are meaningless and are just meant to shock the readers.

>>129432003
Dwarves are literally kikes. Tolkien said so himself.

>>129440627
If she did starve for a few years, she would have been dead.

>needing to live on welfare sucks either way and it's bad for your self-esteem.
Now imagine NOT having welfare, fuck off cunt.

>>129440641
Your opinions are full of logical inconsistencies.

>>129440659
Now that's wrong. Tolkien has said he hated allegories.

>>129440732
Such as?

>>129440485
Here we see the average shitlib masturbating over proses.

I literally don't care.

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The Lord of the Rings tells you that there are things worth fighting for, and that there is genuine good and evil in the world. It tells you that the most important thing of all is not giving in to despair. The things worth fighting for are your people and culture, good peaceful living in harmony with nature, wisdom and restraint, virtuous and moral acts. It tells you that there are forces in the world that wish to take the good away from us and destroy it, and that it is imperative for us to unite against those forces and to combat them.

>>129440009
GRRM is a feminist loser. The books are pretty enjoyable but they have some seriously awful thematics going on and don't hold a candle to the underlying themes in LOTR.

>>129440940
>shitlib
I'm probably a lot more right-wing than you are. There's nothing wrong with studying and appreciating aesthetics.

Tolkien's world is one of those things you never get bored of. I like the LOTR movies too.

>>129438619
>there not
Your IQ is too low to ride this ride.

>>129441086
Literary prose is not aesthetics.

>>129441181
Absolutely fucking rekt

>>129432421
Nice flag I'll add it to my bag

>>129441181
Literary prose does indeed involve aesthetics. It's heavily involved with flow and how words are used/phrased to produce the sublime. Of course not all prose deals with aesthetics, but any prose stylist will be/was deeply involved in the study and practice of it.

>>129441369
That is not how the ring wing sense of aesthetics.

Ring wing sense of communication has always been direct, simple and straightforward.

It is the leftist snake that wants to make tricky, hard to understand proses so they can load it with messages.

>>129441461
>That is not the right* wing sense of aesthetics.

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>>129439693
Low quality pasta. Didn't include a setup or the pic

>>129431355
This is an ifunny problem not a tumbler one.
There's no standard.

>>129430791
They think they're the fag resistance fighting evil voldemort (drumpf)

They don't actually make humor, it's just so they can get good feefees while they suck on juice boxes and play with tinker toys

>>129441461
What are you even talking about now?
A lot of the greatest prose stylists were right-wing, so your theory doesn't really hold up. Leftists are generally the ones that disregard traditions of art, such as aestheticism, for a more progressive and easy to understand piece of art.

>>129441461
Do you even know who St. Thomas is? Or Roger Scruton, or Umberto Ecco? You're just justifying it with a completly wrog view. That "right wing sense of communication" is pretty Marxist, you sound just like one btw. So what, you're right wing and loves Foucault too?

>>129441699
So it's essentially a narrative battle between inadequate yet anti-shitlib LOTR fans and hysterical Harry Potter fans who can't even into irony?

This is worthless. Autistically speaking, LOTR is a much better cannon. What is even the point?

>>129441798
>What are you even talking about now?
About the right wing sense of aesthetics.
>A lot of the greatest prose stylists were right-wing, so your theory doesn't really hold up.
My favorite authors literally don't give a shit about proses, such as Homer, Tolkien, Luo Guanzhong.
>Leftists are generally the ones that disregard traditions of art, such as aestheticism, for a more progressive and easy to understand piece of art.
That is objectively wrong since leftists can shit on a plate and call it art by embodying it with shit meaning.

>>129430486
Is that first phrase a question? Tolkien was a faithful Christian, and LotR was derived from European folklore, it's going to be implicitly huwhite.
The background of a fallen civilization, or even the idea theme that the world used to be much better than it is, is also heavily in the traditionalist mindset.

>>129441822
>That "right wing sense of communication" is pretty Marxist, you sound just like one btw
How exactly is being simple, direct and straight Marxist?

Marx isn't known to be a simple, direct and straight writer.

>So what, you're right wing and loves Foucault too?
I don't. I don't even know him.

>>129441940
The point is it reflects the tastes of each side.

Right wing loves LOTR.
Left wing loves Harry Potter.

>>129442051
>Marx isn't known to be a simple, direct and straight writer.

Actually Das Kapital was written exactly as that so it could be read by the common worker of his times.

>>129442379
The common workers literally don't read Das Kapital.

They got no time for that shit.

>>129442051
So Marx's works are complex now? Pretty much teen friendly. And how the fuck Tolkien is direct and straight? The guy needs a bunch of pages to to describe the scenario, pointlessly. Can't even talk about gay dudes without making an allusion of a poem or a song.

>>129442317
They aren't even meme'ing though. Even with the inadequacy of these LOTR memes, it will be a demoralizing memetic slaughter of these libshit Harry Potter fans.

On second thought, I think I want to endorse this meme battle guise. No respite for cucks.

>>129442470
>So Marx's works are complex now? Pretty much teen friendly.
I would say Marx's works ARE complex and hard to read yes. Teens read it but they might NOT understand it.
>And how the fuck Tolkien is direct and straight? The guy needs a bunch of pages to to describe the scenario, pointlessly.
Tolkien's proses are known to be dry and autistically descriptive, because he wanted shit the readers to read and picture what they read with his words.
>Can't even talk about gay dudes without making an allusion of a poem or a song.
Examples?

Harry Potter is all about overcoming prejudice and racism. The main conflict is between a guy who thinks wizards should be pure bloods and everyone else is scum.
Beyond that it's a mastubatory aid for people who never got out of high school. They're still living there, wishing something was different. The world has no coherent rules or cosmology or even a thread of morality along which you can determine good from evil. All were told is death eaters are psycho bad guys who kill people for no reason.

Lotr is one of the greatest books ever written. Nobody gives a fuck if the elves and the dwarves get along because that's not what's important.
The major races of middle earth do not come together for one final hurrah against the forces of darkness like they would if this story were told today. Christian charity saves the world. Humility, self sacrifice. The hobbits don't overcome their nature and through the journey save everyone. They save everyone because of their nature. Not the power of friendship or diversity or some other gay made up shit.

>>129442640
The thing with LOTR is that multiple kingdoms and race come together as an alliance, but their kingdom integrity were still preserved. Humans have their land, so do dorf and elves.

It's unlike Mordor that is a multicultural hellhole of different races being forced to live next to each other so Sauron can have a big ass army.

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>>129430486
A Swedish leftist non ironically did a ''scientific'' study that ''prove'' that LOTR was full of fascism.

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>>129443084
LOTR is not fascism, it is traditionalist and monarchist.

>uphold the divine right of king
>the importance of bloodline
>protect the environment
>industry is bad without check and balance

>>129443084
Redeem your nations honor.
Set the country on fire. Don't let the cancer continue to spread.

So Marx is complex? At least you don't like it. My country was culturally destroyed by this man an his works with nothing more than 60 years. In public institutions, he's like god. Never seen a ugliest place than here. People are just you, can't recognize beauty. The so called "right-wings" like you make the lefties sound as a minor threat.

>>129443205
Marx is a complex writer, in fact, his complexity is what hides his profound lack of knowledge.

They say the bad writers write a lot but understand nothing, the good writers understand a lot but write pretty much nothing.

>People are just you, can't recognize beauty. The so called "right-wings" like you make the lefties sound as a minor threat.
Your beauties lie in stupid proses instead of the visual.

>>129443084
Is masculine behavior and activity really repressed there? We hear about all of the horrible demoralizing things that happen to Sweden. I just mean is masculine behavior kind of put on a leash? (Can't be aggressive around women, repressed masculine sexuality, male bonding, testosterone-heavy activities , etc... especially)

>>129443179
I highly doubt they can make any distinction between fascism and those things.

Not neoliberalism = fascism in current year.

>>129443417
Fascism and monarchism are different beasts, but sometimes we can work together.

>>129430486

Harry Potter himself is pretty conservative. He set a private militia when the wand grabbing government came after his school and he had his own Asian waifu

LOTR has the multi culti crew saving the world and everybody is completely sexless

>>129430486
>>129430486
It's just proof that only nerds care about politics.

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>>129443400
It's true.

Sit down some time and try to read Heidegger or Derrida.
Gurantee you won't be able to make heads or tails of it. And if you think you understand it you don't.
They just write in circles for pages and pages invent new words and try to distract you from the fact that they're argument rests on the definition of their recently invented nonsensical word.

>>129443582
>he had his own Asian waifu
Pretty conservative.
>LOTR has the multi culti crew saving the world
What?

>>129440204
>she was poor and on welfare.

Yeah. In the UK. So she was set for life

>>129443682
Well, Marx made a distinction between "personal property" and "private property".

Yes, the left is all about the language game.

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[pic related] saved this earlier from 2day, thought it was funny

(((cause liberals r ironic, do-as-i-say-not-as-i-do-trash)))

>>129441024
>The books are pretty enjoyable

The books went off the rails and the fact cunt has no idea how to resolve any of it

>>129443084
Jesus christ, Arnstad isn't even really educated, he takes courses at SU

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>>129443417
>Is masculine behavior and activity really repressed there?
The progressive parts of Sweden you hear about in the news are not representative for the rest of the country. They are as different from the other parts as the most progressive parts of Cali is from the Midwest.

I am a millennial and i never got shit for being a boy, doing boy things, playing with typical masculine toys. We even got to make knives and swords in woodworking and metalworking class. One guy literally brought pic related home from school on the school bus after he finished making it in metal working class.

So no, i didn't feel like any one was trying to suppress my masculinity or screamed at me when i was playing with toy guns. Life was good

>>129443688

The Fellowship is made up of 4 races and their angel wizard guide

>>129444008
Where do you live is very important.

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>>129443084
i wish your land would sink into the ocean

>>129443866
sure, i still enjoyed reading them though. all the feminism gave me the shits but having no resolution in mind allowed him to write a really complicated and interesting plot.

>>129444049
Which come from their own ethno land, working together for a single benefit. Similar to how the german nazis ally with imperial Japan.

Compared that to Hogward's "English" school full of nigger, indian and asian.

>>129440204
Apparently for a short time (Child welfare), plus she lived in the richest city in Scotland and wrote her book in cafes

>>129444049
>Don't know anything about the origin of species in Tolkiens world but I'm gonna shit up this thread anyway because I've got fuck else to do.

>>129430486
>Harry Potter, especially the movies, is about the legitimacy of authority that comes from schools.

>From an outside perspective, Harry Potter is a funny fantasy for liberals to cohere around. But if contemporary liberalism is the ideology of imperial academia, funneled through media and non-profits and governmental agencies but responsible ultimately only to itself, the obsession with Harry Potter makes a lot more sense.

>Harry Potter, especially as realized in the films, is a fantasy of institutional legitimacy, that loyalty to the idealized form of the School is equivalent to an individual moral sense. Individual teachers or administrators might fail that grand destiny, but it is matter of bravery and not intelligence to make the school live up to its ideals; there’s a reason that intelligent Ravenclaws are almost absent from the stories, which are almost exclusively about brave Gryffindors facing off against sly Slytherins. Curiously for a story concerned with ancient magic, we are told over and over again that Dumbledore is the greatest Headmaster Hogwarts has ever known; the institution gains authority from its storied past but the present is far greater. (Like the College Gothic buildings that make up most Ivy League campuses, that resemble Oxford and Cambridge but were actually constructed in the 1930s, the appearance of ancient wisdom doesn’t need much to concern itself with anything particularly old, and even a fake Sword of Godric Gryffindor is sometimes just as much use as the real thing.)

https://spottedtoad.wordpress.com/2017/02/06/getting-your-owl/

>>129430486
The usage is intended to satirise the fact that leftists use Harry Potter and other make believe bullshit to come up with political beliefs. It also helps that they can only understand things that they personally have experience with, so using something they love to portray something they hate actually fucking gets through to them

> Be JRR Tolkien: Revered university professor and linguist.
> Fight in the 1st world war.
> Serve in the 2nd world was as a cryptologist
> By a family man with 4 children that he loves
> Be devout Christian, with libertarian and monarchist leanings
> Hate "modernization" and "industrialization"
> Convert the great C.S.Lewis (Narnia) from atheist to devout Christian.

and now

> Be JK Rowling
> Unhappy teenager. Does not speak to her father.
> Not accepted to Oxford. Goes to Exeter
> Reads Dickens and Tolkien
> Proceed to work for a shitty (((NGO))) (Amnesty International)
> Be a single mother with a child
> Move to portugal to work as an "english teacher"
> Perform abortion
> See herself as a failure, jobless, with a dependant child.
> Diagnosed with clinical depression
> Write Harry Potter in cafés

JKR is the eternal leftist dream that virtue signals himself to the top.
JRR is what /pol/ strives for to become,

>>129444008
That's awesome anon. I would have REEEE'd pretty hard. We made weapons in shop class too, where I grew up.

I still hate what they are doing to men and boys in the libshit capitals. Germany probably gets the worst of all of us in that regard from what I've heard.

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>>129430486
hairy poofter is high fantasy fiction for toddlers -- lotr is its adult counterpart

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>>129444494
Didn't know jk was such a fuck up. Never bothered to look into where she came from. Explains a lot.

>>129444656
LOTR is the modern age mythological epic and pretty much inspires the entire modern fantasy genre.

Anyone got the most wanted list where they're all elvish males

>>129431803
simply epic

>>129440485
>you guys just don't understand his work because you're too dumb hurr durr

Look at yourself, you sound like some "highly educated" art critic shilling for modern art.
His works are like the modern art of literature: it's absolute trash and the only people who like it are "highly educated" literature students who literally just like it so they could feel better than others.
"You're too stupid to understand his work" is not an argument

>>129435738
>In other words, want the ability to be all-powerful and talented with the least amount of effort. You're just born special.

That's actually a very good point. Harry Potter was born special and had all this destiny and special treatment handed to him. He literally got free crap in the movie for being Harry Potter.

Frodo was just a Hobbit who like his uncle wanted to see the world. He wasn't even at the council when everyone was arguing. He volunteered to carry the burden of the ring with no promise of reward and almost certain death.

This is why liberals love HP. They want to believe they were born special. They don't want to be like Frodo and actually give up stuff or work hard to achieve something.

lotr was painfully boring. made it thru half the second movie before i just gave up. idk why everyone thinks they're so great

>>129445818
Tasteless faggot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVEYcTyj1Do

>>129440383
>woman
>on welfare
>suffering
I bet you think single moms aren't even worse than niggers
They really are
I would put animals like jews above single moms like rowling

>>129445917
>links a youtube video as a reply
millennials everybody.

>>129446105
You are a tasteless faggot, that video is too much of a gift for you.

>>129434448
None of the people you listed have any talent though , your uni classes were a failure if you honestly think that a man who invented whole languages to put into his work based upon his cast knowledge of the writing styles and themes of ancient European myths is poorly written.

>>129445786
>He wasn't even at the council when everyone was arguing.
Yes he was, and it wasn't really an argument in the books like it was portrayed in the film.
I agree with you though, Frodo was an unassuming midget surrounded by giants who chose to bear the greatest burden of all, and then sacrifice his life for good. That's not congruent with the current liberal ethos of entitlement.

>>129445917
Every Rohan scenes are beyond god tier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HXW3gRpnFk

TO LORD AND LAND!

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>>129443084
>Fascism

Tolkien was an anarcho monarchist who opposed apartheid on the grounds of it be statism. Holy fuck how thick can people get?

>>129431443
>Murdock Murdock has quality content

>>129446295
>anarcho-monarchism
you wot?

>>129446263
the best thing about those films was the score. absolutely god tier.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4I7myAG_mY

>>129446781
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55VQiKd3e_M

I really miss those historical big battle movies.

Much, much better than capeshit.

>>129444494
>with libertarian and monarchist leanings

isn't that like, an oxymoron?

>>129442379
You're thinking of the Communist Manifesto

>>129446105
>links a segment of a movie to convey a point about the movie
>is somehow wrong for doing this

You might have mental problems.

>>129446929
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWl2pmYfTEo

My name will be forgotten, and that is something I must live with.

>>129437623
>The group makes strong alliances but ultimately accomplish the goal on their own.

The strong alliances are the bowman and wizard. The main characters are fucking 4 feet tall hobbits literally based off the munchkins.

>>129446336
Look it up , it's a very esoteric view point.

>>129446997
Not really.

Kings were wealthy landowners. They rented their land to other people in agreement they would pay the king rent in gold and manpower.

The people renting land from the kings then rented their land to others. The king's power over everyone came from the fact he owned all the land.

>>129432980
You probably didn't even read the books.

>>129439415
Spongebob is kinda funny.

>>129447511
It's fucking nonsense.

Tolkien was a monarchist, he believed in the rightful rule of the true blood king.

>>129447548
Kings were far above landowners, they were conquerors.

>>129433728
NOt that he created a universe, but he seemlessly wove in mixtures of languages into entirely new creations, and mainly based it on a solid plot of overcoming hardship in the face of unstoppable adversity, that coupled with his rhetoric and literary devices generally make his books pleasant sophisticated to most. I could go more in depth but suffice it to say he made up a story to tell his kids for bedtime and it sparked an entire lifetime of his being dedicated to a singular broad story that is to this day the basis of most fantasy standards.

>>129447857
also why the fuck are we having probably the most informative thread on modern literature here instead of on /lit/

>>129446929
>Hollywood will never make a good movie of the Punic Wars
sad times

>>129448350
/lit/ only cares about proses and shit.

We don't.

When the stupid poets are too busy musing about fucking words, we are sharping swords and read about war strategem.

>>129430486

No it just explains that you are reverse SJW since the US election.
They normalized you.

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>>129447857
he got the archetypes right

>>129448367
>tfw they'd probably make the Carthaginians the heros of it all to push refugees and nigger superiority forgetting they got btfo'd in the end
makes me wish Aeneas just raped Dido and left that place
>>129448457
makes me sad desu desu. Regardless Tolkien is easily one of the best writers of the past 2 centuries, all though given his competition for fiction it's not saying much, though I have to say Hemingway is still pretty up there.

>>129447608
No he believed in a form of monarchism whereby people choose the king they follow by the nature of their virtue, which in Tolkien's universe is strictly bound by blood. Different men folk eventually form different kingdoms at the behest of his followers, a king does not just assert himself he is asserted by the people into his role. Divine right of kings in LOTR is basically just extreme biological determinism, where a certain family is asserted to be the purest expression of a certain folk. The King does not have complete lordship over all the people who follow him, the people simply follow him. Ancient pagans had similar systems of kingship, supposedly.

>>129448543
Liking LOTR is something you shouldn't be ashamed for.

>>129448580
pretty much, last fantasy that I read that was that entertaining was Beowulf and a shitty translation of the Age of Ragnarok

>>129448594
I don't see anything you say contradict what I said. The divine right of king is bound by blood for hereditary monarchy, which is the most prevalent in medieval Europe.

Except the kingdom of Rohan was formed when the king of Gondor bestows kingship upon a fine general, so it's not just a matter of just blood or elective monarchy (i.e. ancient pagan and the holy roman empire/1st reich).

Tolkien follows the idealism that was King's Arthur, the promised king, the king is the land, the land will prosper if the right man rules.

>>129448589
>Hannibal's multicultural army liberates enslaved women from the patriarchal white Romans
Yeah I don't want it now, they'd ruin it
>makes me wish Aeneas just raped Dido and left that place
Isn't that pretty much what happened? He shagged her and left?

>>129448677
Even comparing the LOTR films to the books is disappointing. No character in the films is as wise or brave or courteous or moral or valorous as they were in the novels. There's a stark contrast between Aragorn from book to movie. They couldn't carry over the sincerity and goodness of the characters to the modern audience, it had to be dumbed down.
It's just a good thing it was made then and not today, where it wasn't completely corrupted with post-modern insanity and diversity quotas.

>>129436253
>poetics
Please, nichomachean ethics and the politics would provide a better understanding for the richness of a fantasy world.

But sure, you want to pick apart his prose rather than evaluate his relatability. This is why people hate you you negative nancy.

The real sad thing is that there's no big budget movie about Charles Martel, or the austria/polish alliance pushing the turks out of Vienna.

They fear the narrative, they fear the subhumans being portrayed as the subhumans they are.

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>>129430486
Hmmm let's see now
>be JK Rowling
>write about a magic kid
>put him in a magic school and give him friends
>make an antagonist that has personal business with your kid
>make everything in the book as comfy and feminine as possible
>add some puppy love situations and spells
>It's 1990s and everyone's still writing fantasy for young boys
>cultural marxism in on the horizon and with it feminism
>sell the book to generations of young girls
>yfw the white women /pol/ complains about all read Harry Potter as kids
>yfw that woman has influenced millions of girls to not procreate but to rather seek pleasure with dark people because life is magic

>be JRR
>its turn of the century and you're into classics so you go to Oxford (where JK was rejected rightfully)
>yfw nobody told you you're wasted as student of classics
>yfw you're not some weak pathetic beta with problem glasses despite studying classics
>WW1 comes around, sign up
>fight in the bloodiest battle in recent British history on Somme, but survive
>court a protestant girl, get shit thrown at you for being catholic, in the end still get the girl of your dreams
>spend all your life battling demons from the war, but turn your frustrations into the most amazing fantasy works ever done
>while you're at it, convert CS Lewis to Christianity because you're this much of an alpha
>spend your whole life teaching at the highest level
>write not one book, but a whole universe with its own unique languages, cultures and stories based on all the knowledge of language and myth you've accumulated over the years of your intellectual endeavours
>yfw soon after you retire, marxists take over
>yfw they hate the purpose you give to people in your works
>yfw they hate how you turned your negative experiences of the war into something beautiful, innocent and pure that makes people happy
>you are now considered trivial author and must share literary stage with people like JK Rowling

feels bad man

>>129449266
nah mate, Aeneas ended up marrying her and staying for awhile then dumping her, so she got some revenge plot hatched and long story short set herself on fire? I kinda laughed when I first read it, and as for that I completely agree, but what can you do? There's always such huge gaps in translation for in depth character development. My guess is the only reason Harry Potter did remotely well is because they had 10 years and 17 hours of time to portray any growth

>>129449491
this.

>>129431803
Moar

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>>129433728
>art should not be judged on how you feel about it

is the most retarded sentence I have read, art can only be subjective

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>>129449490
meme magic strikes again

>>129449603
I like how the Romans started out as a bunch of degenerates, thieves, vagabonds and homeless cunts, who had to steal a bunch of women because none would come willingly. And that's the mythology they gave themselves lel.

People are shitting a fair bit on JK Rowling, and politically she's fuckawful, but those books are good, certainly the earlier ones. She had a great imagination, was a decent writer and she got the archetypes right too. They didn't enrapture a whole generation of kids by being guff, there's something great inside them.
Her Twitter feed just colours the entire thing in a bad light now.

>>129432980
go back to the favela you stupid monkey

>>129450018
The roman believed themselves to be descendants of troyans, of Paris, so that makes sense.

>>129449959
isn't subjective beauty the entire fucking point of art?
>>129450018
I didn't really like her writing, it felt like it was desperately trying to give off gravitas and at the same time trying to be succinct, thus it made the books a lot less enjoyable a concept than it could have been, even though I don't mind Mary-Sues. And the Romans were pretty much Trojanniggers who ooga boogad somewhere else until their bloodline changed
>>129450142
Paris died. It was Aeneas that you're thinking of

>>129450225
>isn't subjective beauty the entire fucking point of art?
It's also the argument of left.

Since beauty is subjective, you can have fat land whales "seen" as beautiful.

No, the right must maintain some sort of standard.

Being fit, tall, and of fair skin is beautiful.

Being a short fat nigger is not.

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>>129449959
>art can only be subjective
bullshit, there are objectively measurable standards that can quantify some art as better than other art. a pile of horseshit will never be trajan's column, and you can kill yourself if you feel otherwise.

>>129450142
>>129450225
well Romulus was descended from Aeneas, but after the founding of the city he just let in any bum that wanted in because he needed the population. So most of what he got were degenerates who had nowhere else to go.

>>129450225
Rowling is nowhere near Tolkien, but she wrote great books for the 6-14 year old audience.

>>129439285
>Kate Bush wanted to sing this but couldn't get the rights

>>129450369
fair point, though I meant within reason
>>129450383
>>129450463
Romulus if you believe it, but yeah that's pretty much how it was, I think that's why there was so much Roman Pride, and her books were okay back when I read them but for my twelfth I got the whole trilogy of LOTR and kicked the lib to the curb. Granted I'm a fucking autist but still

>>129439559
fuck that gay shit, Faulkner did that too and it pissed me off. If I wanted flow of thought I'd sit on the shitter and beat myself off in tempo

>>129439422
The first book was awful, and the second was little better. By the fifth she had improved considerably but was hamstrung by the plot setup in the prior books, yet did a fairly good job tying it all together at the end.

For me it comes down to re-readability. I have re-read LotR numerous times and will do so again, but HP is definitely a one-and-done series.

>>129450639
>I think that's why there was so much Roman Pride
but the patrician families weren't descended from Romulus, they were descended from the first people to join his city, who were all bums and thieves, which is what's so funny about it.

>>129450773
the first 4 books were good and the last 2 or 3 were shite. they're supposed to be kid's books, and when they went from whimsical childish adventure in magical lands to gothic emo teenage relationship dramas it became trash.

For a comparison, Romance of the 3 kingdoms read like a military chronicles.

When Cao Cao is worried, he is written as "Cao Cao is worried because Liu Biu power is growing in the South".

But if Luo Guangzhon cares about muh literary merit, he would have written shit as "Sweats form upon the brows of Cao Cao, his mind clouded with the image of Liu Bei".

In short, right wingers care nothing about this "musing of word" and just want to know the contents straight and simple.

Of course, exception exists, such as the 3 musketeers.

>>129450988
you'd like Hemingway
>>129450984
oh I see what you mean. yeah it was pretty ironic. all things considered

>>129450984
I agree with you about the teen crap, that was awful, I meant that the so-called plots for the first few books were so contrived to make Harry and his friends the winners that it grated on me.

>>129446174
the left just hates tolkien because his work is a pillar of western literature but it isn't a neo marxist internationalist shitfest

>>129451173
They were really kid books.

I grow up reading up them, then I saw the LOTR movies and was like "wtf why did I spend time obsessing over Harry Potter when this exists".

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>>129439415
spongebob has a lot of subtle jokes that are actually really funny. I haven't seen any of the newer episodes but the early ones are funny as fuck.

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Except liberals use them as an analogy for every fucking topic.

>>129430486
Because J.R.R. Tolkien is a racist bigot unlike tolerant J.K. Rowling.

>>129451403
>Except liberals use them as an analogy for every fucking topic.
do they? i've never seen this

>>129451369
Yeah, you're right. I shouldn't worry myself over some kiddie books. Let tumblr have them.

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>>129451173
>contrived to make Harry and his friends the winners
H O W E V E R
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>>129432980
That is a real nice painting

>>129451920
They aren't very good kid books either.

Fucking Animorphs motherfucker, now that's some sick shit for kids.

>>129439279
Spongebob was good shit to watch before heading off into school in the morning but now it's just too much of a normie meme to care about anymore.
Normos take cool things and blow them out of their proportions and make them cringy as fuck.

LoTR has an epic fantasy novel that was filled with rich details regarding every step of the journey.

Harry Potter was children's literature where the main character accomplishes nothing and depends on adults around him to take care of all of his problems.

Liberals like to relate to Harry Potter because they like the idea of being a special child that everyone loves and cares for so that they want for nothing. They also of course love the fetishizing of schools as anyone familiar with the "liberals are just more intelligent" meme would understand.

We like LoTR more because we relate more to its characters who want to fight to defend their homeland.

I'm sorry if this makes me sound like an idiot but, Harry Potter is a Lord of the Rings ripoff

>>129430486
You know, I think its time for #PotterPosting where all the images of Hairy Potter but with a more... conservative twist.

Its pretty perfect considering Voldemort is an oppressed minority being attacked by a white guy, yet he is the bad guy. Its time to turn on the weaponized autism once more and make Harry Potter Great Again!

>>129430486
no you hate harry potter because it is the second most over rated piece of english literature from the last 100 years closely behind the Game of Thrones series.

>>129443084
Sweden really needs to self-terminate at this point desu desu famalam

>>129449491
you sir, are no gypsy

>>129452131
>Harry Potter was children's literature where the main character accomplishes nothing and depends on adults around him to take care of all of his problems.
that's not true. harry potter spent the first decade of his life living neglected by all adults stuck under a staircase, and when he gets to school he frequently has to go outside the rules the adults lay on him in order to defeat the evil. adults don't take care of his problems, he has to face voldemort in the first book by himself, the basilisk by himself, sirius by himself and he does the goblet of fire alone. usually defeating the big bad is wholly dependent on him with some help from his friends.

>>129452638
>harry potter spent the first decade of his life living neglected by all adults stuck under a staircase

They say this happens and then it's not included in the actual story. You're not getting chapters in the novel where Harry is going to school in Britain and coming back home to go underneath the staircase.

School (Hogwart's) is treated as this absolute treat for him.

>when he gets to school he frequently has to go outside the rules the adults lay on him in order to defeat the evil

He has Snape, the headmaster, and whoever else trying to give him special tools and access to shit to help him.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Philosopher%27s_Stone_(film)
>The headmaster reveals that Harry was able to defeat Quirrell because when Harry's mother died to save him her death gave Harry a magical, love-based protection against Voldemort

This doesn't make it seem like Harry succeeded on his own in the first book, he succeeded because his parents made it impossible for him to lose.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Chamber_of_Secrets_(film)
>After Harry expresses support for Dumbledore, Dumbledore's Fawkes flies in with the Sorting Hat, and Riddle summons the Basilisk. Fawkes blinds the Basilisk, and the Sorting Hat eventually produces a sword with which Harry battles and slays the Basilisk

He didn't defeat the basilisk on his own. Dumbledore seemed to send off some magic hat to give him a weapon to use against it.

That's not doing shit all on his own, he's getting help from the adults around him in the school and in his personal life that ensure he doesn't lose.

>>129453549
To cont.

Harry seems to just succeed because he's supposed to.

Versus in LoTR where it's made apparent that the characters all are working extremely hard to overcome their challenges. They have the constant specter of death hanging around them.

>>129430486
Tolkein was pretty redpilled desu. For his time he was perhaps an 8-9/10 on the scale, nowadays he'd be a 7 tops.

>>129430486
Its to make fun of how childish the "le harry potter for politics" memes are. Plus as in most traditional fantasy LOTR has lots of /pol/ wothy views
>races that live seperate from eachother
>behavior and culture is biologically determined
>these races are classified into good and bad, superior and inferior
>the inferior are inherently evil and savage

I mean whats not to exploit here? We get to poke fun at the tumblrinas obsession with a kids book and be raist as hell at the same time! Its fun and its relevant.

Plus I mean c'mon, the lefties are ruthlessly blacking, gaying, muzzing, lezzing, and genderswapping all of our favorite series so why not hijack and convert one into a symbol for ourselves?

(T. Suuuuper butthurt darktower fan who just found out that the gunslinger in the upcoming movie is black now)

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>>129453549
>You're not getting chapters in the novel where Harry is going to school in Britain and coming back home to go underneath the staircase.
a shame too because i'd have loved to read about the first 10 years of him living as a regular kid.
>He has Snape
Snape shits on him from start to finish, you only find out he was a good guy who was actually helping right at the end
>This doesn't make it seem like Harry succeeded on his own
Not on his own, but he has to break a bunch of rules and then choose to go and confront the evil. And as it turns out when he does that he gets the help he needs. The point facing lots of opposition from a lot of people he voluntarily chooses to face the evil. It's because he has some evil within him, because he breaks rules, and because he voluntarily confronts evil that he is always able to defeat it.
It's like Bilbo, over time he becomes a thief capable of working on his own, and then voluntarily goes and confronts Smaug.

>>129453880
The LOTR and Harry Potter are different tonally, Harry Potter is for a younger audience. LOTR is far better, but that doesn't make Harry Potter shit. Fuck Rowling for her Twitter, and for making Dumbledore gay and all that, but those first few books were great.

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>>129432333

Current GF is murdoch chan incarnate.

Looks/opinions/approach.

I'm putting a ring on her in 3 weeks.

>>129430486
Its not the first time lefties have tried to use tolkien's work as political capital. The hippies all swore up and down that it was a book about environmental awareness whilst tolkien was still alive. This sparked debate with christians who very adamantly insisted it was biblical allegory and that dirty hippies need to fuck off. Then other hippies insisted that it was really allegory for nuclear disarmament.

Tolkien's response was essentially "all of you fuck off with that shit, it's just fantasy and can be interpreted as the reader wishes."

>>129433906
isn´t any tattoo?

>>129454575
>It's like Bilbo, over time he becomes a thief capable of working on his own, and then voluntarily goes and confronts Smaug.

Bilbo was from The Hobbit which was a children's story. LoTR has a more mature narrative in comparison.

Which makes Bilbo an excellent character to compare to Harry Potter since both of them have excellent cohorts they can depend on to help get them out of most danger, even if they do get a few odd moments where they're needing to confront some big bad.

Still, for the most part, they're getting their hands held.

>LOTR is far better, but that doesn't make Harry Potter shit.

I've never suggested Harry Potter was shit, I've suggested it's more appealing to liberals because the main character is a basically a Mary Sue that gets pat on the head by teachers constantly. Which is especially appealing to liberals because they fetishize schools and like the idea of of having authority figures that can step in regularly to protect them. Since doing things purely on their own is terrifying to the liberal.

>>129443682
>putting derrida and Heidegger together
fuck up you troll cunt

>>129436411
>its just like hunger gaemes!!!! Like... outta touch rich people and... and like kids gotta fight the power an shit!
>or like... like hurry putter, cuz like, voldemort is evil and like, muggles are black people so like, uhh... anyone who disagrees with me is voldemort!
>or like le stur wurrs! Hes obviosly the emperor, and like, the darkside an shit!


Whenever you meet somebody who requires teenage pop culture to explain their opinions as a grown adult you are dealing with either somebody of very low intellect or suffering from ignorance born out of acute laziness inhibiting them from studying or retaining anything beyond fiction intended for 15 year olds.

>>129433728
SOPA

>>129456262
>Still, for the most part, they're getting their hands held.
That's true for Bilbo at the beginning, but as it goes on the entire group of dwarves come to rely on him. After he saves them from the spiders, they ask him what they should do next, he practically becomes the leader. He's the one that goes down and confronts Smaug, and he's the one that gives the Arkenstone to Bard. He's acting fully independently for the good by the end.
>Which is especially appealing to liberals because they fetishize schools and like the idea of of having authority figures that can step in regularly to protect them
Yeah maybe I spose. There's the Tri-Wizard tournament though, Harry has to face the dragon on his own, he has to swim to the bottom of the lake by himself, he has to navigate the maze on his own, he has to face Voldemort on his own. In the end he's often helped, like by all the ghosts with Voldemort, but he had to voluntarily face the dangerous evil. It makes sense that he needs help, being a weak teenager against purportedly the most powerful wizard on the planet.

Dumbledore's role is more like God than like a principal, and having the ghosts of your ancestors looking after you isn't really akin to having an authority figure always saving your ass. It's more that Harry Potter is born special, as heroes often are, has helpful friends and some spirits looking after him, and he goes off and faces the evil. It's not just that he's some kid with a bunch of adults coddling and protecting him.

>>129431572
The Hobbit was though

>>129457738
I think liberals intentionally overlook the conservative elements in harry potter too. Like how all the corrupt officials try to make hogwarts PC and cease curriculum about defence or knowledge of the dark arts so as to breed a new generation of helpless ignorant sheep wizards who rely fully on the wizard government for defence (who are themselves being run by a 5th colum movement of bad guys).

I mean cmon, its anti PC, its talking about the evils of disarmament and how being unarmed makes you reliant on a government that is being run by people dedicated to harming you.

I think liberals gloss over a lot of that shit when they try to use the harry potter universe as a mental safe space. Lets also not forget the students hand the PC cuck teacher over to centaurs, creatures famous for lewd rapey behavior in mythology. And when she comes back she "doesnt wanna talk about it."

The students who were secretley studying combative magic (hoarding weapons and prepping) revolted and handed a PC lefty teacher over to a gang of man-horse-rapists.

I mean when you start reading into any fiction hard enough you can make it support your position.

>>129432980
Guys relax he's Brazilian, he can't read.

He watched The Hobbit and thinks he understands LOTR literature.

>>129440204
HAHA Rowling was a welfare quayn?

>>129430486
Tumblr just straight up quotes HP.

4chan puts a amount of creativity in it. And it's funny and effective. HP memes are not.

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>>129430486
Because LOTR is implicitly very red pilled, and Harry Potter is implicitly pro race mixing and supports progressivism (muh mudlbloods are people too)
I think 4chan only uses lotr as a reaction to the left using Harry Potter and super heroes so much because apparently the left understands politics only in the frame of fictional fairytales.

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>>129430486
two groups of spergs sperg out about their media of choice, wow powerful shit

>>129460098
Basically this...

>>129440383
If you think life is hard for the single mother welfare queen you need to either go back to lereddit or get a job before posting here.

Let's review the Rowling method:
>Find some bong nigger to bust a nut in you
>Suck up state benefits while writing stories about Social Justice Wizards which will eventually be used by the Jewish film industry for propaganda purposes.

You guys understand that the reason Voldemort is evil is because he wants to keep the Wizard lineage pure? Of course, being such an insufferable and unclever welfare quayn cunt, according Rowling there is absolutely no consequence to Wizards miscegenating their bloodline.

The magical abilities of mongrels will be just as apt as those of pure blood. Voldemort is just hateful like DRUMPF@!

>>129458383
>Lets also not forget the students hand the PC cuck teacher over to centaurs, creatures famous for lewd rapey behavior in mythology. And when she comes back she "doesnt wanna talk about it."
that's pretty hot desu

>>129460098
Stick to your FPS video games and stay out of threads with requisite 100+ IQ individuals, insect.

>>129458383
Top kek this is actually an interesting perspective, kraut.

>>129432479
What happened?

>>129430486
>LotR
The origin of modern Fantasy, based on European myth and lore, with a modern Catholic core where people make hard, selfless choices. A classic of not only Fantasy, but literature on a whole.

>Harry Potter
Literal bedtime stories about a boy who is REALLY a super-special wizard thanks to birthright.

Gee, I wonder why one appeals to modern leftists so much, and why they bitch and moan about the other without knowing the first thing about it.

it just comes down to different ways of telling the hero's journey, really.

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>>129454443
>Roland is a nigger
Hollywood should stick to capeshit, I'm tired to see how they shit on every books for the sake of "diversity"

>>129437673
Nice 10 second google job there, brownie

>>129439693
"No!"

>>129430486
because LOTR is a truly white, European fantasy world.

The only shitskins are evil or barbarians. It's also well written and well researched as Tolkien created his own language from Nordic languages and Gaelic

Harry Potter is childish and derivative shlock.

>>129447669
You thinking of the feudalism and imperialism.
Pre-Feudal England was a pretty comfy place.

>>129434448
>Tolkien didn't know nothing a out literary aesthetics
You can wax pseudo-intellectual all you want about the stucture and value of his stories and the flow of the translator that dumbed it down in to you shit language, but what makes you think you can legitimately critique the high level flow and aesthetics of writing in a language that you can barely use?

>>129430486
people made those memes to parody leftists

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>>129461083
Dont give the krauts credit for it! Im a burger, im just flyin false colors cuz im posting from a city in germany currently.

But yeah, theres every bit as much conservative matierial in harry potter as there is liberal shit. Lets also not forget that its a universe where a teenager with a brunson burner and some leaves can whip up date rape drugs so effective that the victim doesnt even consider it rape because you magically forced them to be in love.

Cmon. Harry potter is LOADED with "problematic" stuff we could exploit if we wanted to take it away from em.

>>129439422
I can concur with this, though I never bothered with kid books like that. My dad would read stephen king and micheal chrichton books so he had a bunch of them, I started out reading micheal chrichton, then read a bunch of Stephen King's work. King's work is ok, very good horror writing but I got bored of it. A lot of his books go a little far in fantasy so it no longer appealed to me. Then I got into Isaac Asimov's foundation series, and that was fucking awesome (the last books of it were meh admittingly) and then I read Larry Niven's ringworld trilogy.

>>129463803
I don't think we can credit Rowling with doing this stuff consciously, though. Every political statement she makes is leftist as fuck.

She just poured well-established tropes into a series of stories designed to appeal to children. I can guarantee you that a lower class MILF like Rowling doesn't consider, for instance, that centaurs are traditionally know to be hotblooded rapists. It's certainly interesting that it's all there, but I bet that she would try to extirpate these oldfashioned values if someone attends them to the fact that they're there.

>>129462151
Status quo - call to arms - gathering allies - overcoming obstacles and rising action
- climax -status quo but better.

Also gonna point out that at the end of the story for all their "muggles are people too! Intermarrying is okay!" All the main charecters married and reproduced with other wizards.

So I mean for all its "muggles wizards and mudbloods = whites, non whites, and mixed race" messege youd think rowling coulda tried a wee bit harder and had atleast one of the main charecters marry a muggle.

All that race and liberal political shit is just rowling trying to keep her story relevant to a fanbase that should have outgrown the series in highschool. Reality is that its a kids book and all fiction is going to draw paralells from reality, but her suddenky deciding that its really about post 2015 identity politics when it was written 15 years before that shit became trendy is just her capitalizing on a political trend to sell dvd's and merchandise.

>>129464434
Grandpa was a writer and I grew up around writers. Most writers end up popular and try to pretend the stuff they did right on accident was actually their plan all along.

I mean my grandpa wrote "timothy treadwell, death in the grizzly maze" (unstable greenpeace guy became convinced he could commune with grizzlybears, got himself and his GF eaten despite increasingly shrill warnings from almost every animal expert and authority available he ignored them and set up camp on a remote island in alaska swarming with the biggest land predators on earth today) and it sold like crazy cuz people thought it was a tragedy about mental instability and depression.

It was really a huge critique against californian liberal magical thinking and how as soon as you try to apply such political ideals in the stark environment of the wilderness it rapidly becomes lethal.

Didnt matter, greenies ate it up and it sold a good number of copies and turned into a big documentary even. He was too humble to try and roll with it like "uhhh... yeah! Thats what I meant all along! Depression and bipolar disorder are so tragically overlooked in societey." If he did he coulda sold a ton more copies.

His writer buddies all did that shit with their books, they pick up on whatever vibe their audience is on and play it for cash. Rowling is doing the same thing with her "DUMBLEDORE IS GAY! MUGGLES = REFUGEES! LEFTY LEFT LEFT LEFTIST! BUY MUH BOOKS!"

>>129465381
>His writer buddies all did that shit with their books, they pick up on whatever vibe their audience is on and play it for cash. Rowling is doing the same thing with her "DUMBLEDORE IS GAY! MUGGLES = REFUGEES! LEFTY LEFT LEFT LEFTIST! BUY MUH BOOKS!"
that is absolutely heinous. fortunately once the book is published the author no longer owns it, political retconning doesn't count and Rowling can piss off, Dumbledore wasnt a fag and never will be.