BASED DEVOS completely BTFO the schooling system

>>129396056
>instead of a Marxist indoctrination camp

that's exactly why they are against this

Based. Too many schools are churning out little retarded drones, our own colleges are a disgrace, glad someone is trying to fix things somewhere.

It seems like she is all in milton friedman's idea school vouchers, treating education as a buisness. I think it is worth a shot but apparently indiana is not doing so great from it. Although be it that you have to be middle class and lower class to even be allowed to apply, so it isn't exactly a free market as Devos/ freidman would want it to be.

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>>129396056
schools in the US are fucking awful. Just look at your local newspaper about the nervousness surrounding national tests.

I was a poor immigrant in the US when I first had to take a standardized test and passed both the English and math with flying colors.

Standards are so low!

>>129398282
>vouchers
These faggots need to allow vouchers for home schooling.

>>129396056
The demonization of Betsy DeVos is something that really shows the insanity of the modern left, which believes if something is not serviced by the state, it doesn't exist.

>>129398347
Our extracurricular stuff is the standard in other countries. You need to compete in AIME/AMC12 to get what kids in Asian countries get by default. I guess its because if we raised standards, even more shitstains would fail.

>>129398697
exactly. and that's raysiss

>>129398468
DeVos bought her seat. She lacks any direct experience in a department she has now been elevated to head.

Oh, and her voucher program has already been piloted and benchmarked. It has left each school system it has been introduced into a complete warzone where the private schools cannibalize the public and still yet have failing grades versus other public schools.

Yes, the public schooling system needs reform, but not proven awful reform for reform's sake.

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>>129398697
OH it's not just the students, my friend.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/03/13/nyregion/ny-regents-teacher-exams-alst.html?_r=0

>>129399180
What if we archive it https://archive.is/FoNj8

>>129399180
Bahahaha

>>129399218
based norway at it again. I don't know how he does it

>>129399127
Fuck off bahama-nigger. Why should I let the gubbamint take my tax dollars so they can teach my kids to accept faggotry? To accept the lie of racial equality? Why should I let them teach my kids that all white people are bad and that western civilization is bad?

DeVos was born Elisabeth Prince, daughter of Elsa (((Zwiep))) Prince and Edgar Prince, a billionaire industrialist of Dutch ancestry.

>(((Zwiep)))

>>129400232

Would you rather pay $40,000 dollars a year for some snake-handling lunatics to teach your children that the earth is flat?

>>129399127
What do you think the head of the DoEd should do? If it wasn't Betsy DeVos, you think any one individual would have the experience to manage the entire United State educational system? No one is omnipotent. You would seem to want an enlightened Secretary to endorse whatever reforms you think work and then impose them on all 50 states. But isn't that what both Bush and Obama did?

Even if you accept state education (I largely don't), why does it have to be at the national level? If the states are left to their own devices, they can experiment. Then whichever system seems to produce the best for its citizens could be adopted by other states, as long as those states think it will similarly succeed. Top-down federal standards are a nightmare.

>>129400232

>bahama-nigger

Conky (Conchy) -
Any white native or longtime resident of The Bahamas. Also, a Bahamian cocktail similar to a White Russian, with coconut rum being substituted for vodka.

Did you not read a single thing I said, you moron? The public school system is in bad need of reform of curriculum and budget allocation.

Do you think handing insane "Dinosaurs didn't exist" charter (((schools))) your tax dollars while public schools go even less properly funded and thus fall into even more insane teaching tactics and ideas to juice tests?

>>129401181
Well when they are based on fantasies of equality, tolerance, gibs to non-whites/retards, social justice, and the idea that the quality of student is totally irrelevant to the education outcome.

>>129396056
State run education is the quickest way to retardation.

anons, if you care about america, the state of inner city schools is nothing to laugh about or even have bad thoughts about. Its not just our test scores are going down, but we have millions of young people who are not functional members of society when they graduate. Even if they try to work, they never learned work ethic from their parents or team work from their school.

Nigger hate isn't the answer, we need to get them ready to take their own ethnostate from Atlanta to Baton Rouge.

>>129396056
i wouldnt want my kid learning ebonics style math

>>129401499
why would you give nigs an ethnostate in America
Thats what the South Africans did, most blacks lived in their own little tribal states

Any black run country is going to be a disaster

>>129401181
>No one is omnipotent

Did I ask for even a modicum of this?

All I ask is for someone with experience in the system that knows its ailments and has well thought out ideas for reform.

>they can experiment.

This is the hilarious thing: DeVos' experiment has been tested: It failed utterly.

Go watch her last major Q&A with a representative from a district that "experimented" with many of her batshit insane ideas.

Spoiler: He is spitting mad because the state is still consuming public money with demonstrably worse conditions and test scores across the board. Even in her precious charter schools.

>>
>Any black run country is going to be a disaster

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bahamas

>>129398697
valedictorian of my old grade school for this years graduation is black. their parent's would go directly to the head of the school system and probably the union here if they don't get it. a white child who has put more effort in to the school is getting snubbed because of this.

>>129398468
Fuck yeah. The fact that LIEberals are so afraid of eliminating education fucking disgusts me. The only book that should be allowed in this country is the New Testament. GIT R DID! #maga #thesouthwillriseagain

>>129399127
She was put there to dismantle the DoE.

I'm pretty sure /pol/ only supports DeVos because she would ensure that everyone grows up as ignorant as the people who post here

>choice
>everyone wants to go to the good school
>supply and demand
>good school tuition is $200,000 a year with a 1% acceptance rate
>vouchers don't pay for that
>tyrone and cletus are forced to go to their resident poor people school run by the DeVos Poor People School Corporation and staffed by minimum wage convicted felons
>graduate from the only school they were able to go to with a worthless diploma since its from a worthless school

Sounds so good, I am sure everyone's lives will be better.

Oh wait.

>>129401130
>>129401303
>the only choices are Marxist SJW camps or Bible thumpers
You're obviously an idiot who's never had any real encounters with actual charter schools.

There is some good work being done in American public schools but no one should be forced to pay into a system they want nothing to do with. If you want to pay your taxes and send your kids to the local shithole be my guest. I'll take my voucher and shop around for the best school I can find.

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>>129396056
yes... no more big yellow school buses stopping every ten feet to deposit their victims while robbing me of my life and polluting my air....

>>129396056
If you that taxi rides are analogous to teaching shit heads how to read, write and becoming human with some day intellect then its time to go back to your serflord and let him fuck your bride on wedding night

>>129402413

you seem to be omitting the fact that charter schools have been a complete failure on every single metric and even their supporters (e.g. Zuckerberg) have stopped pretending that they were a good idea

>/pol/ shilling for government controlled education in this thread

GOOOOOOOD GOYYYYYYYY

>>129402334

If they would just admit that and start the job publically and honestly I wouldn't have aa problem. The pilots that DeVos champions still chew up a massive chunk of public money and still get shit results. Its the worst of both worlds.


>>129402413

I for one never made any such false equivocation, its: SJW Camps, Thumpers, a competently reformed public school system, a demolished public school system.

I want the third, DeVos wants the second and the Trump Admin wants the fourth.


>no one should be forced to pay into a system they want nothing to do with

That is the definition of a society with taxes


>I'll take my voucher and shop around for the best school I can find.

See: Literally every major districts funding and testing results that set this up

>>129401663
>All I ask is for someone with experience in the system that knows its ailments and has well thought out ideas for reform.
And then those ideas for reform are gonna be imposed on 50 different states, correct? In a one-size-fits all way.

And do you have a link to that Q&A, by any chance?

>>129402484
So do you think post-secondary education is analogous to taxi rides, or no? Do literate students who are above the age of majority still need to state-controlled education? If so, where do you draw the line for skills-centered education and "becoming human" education?

>>129402780

/pol/ supports the government if and only if the government is attempting to make everyone more retarded so that they won't feel inferior

>>129402780
Oy vey, how else can we educate children to be tolerant and to give those poor negro and mestizo kids a chance? If we just put in more money I'm sure their IQ will equalize with the whites and asians...

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>>129402367
"Ignorant" - knows about stuff that offends me.

>>129402618
Why would I care what jewberg thinks?

>>129396056
>complete privatization of the education system is the best option.

the public education system was one of the best ideas western civ ever had. it's been with the United States since the beginning.

if you want to get rid of it you're an unamerican cuck.

>>129403182
Overdose on painkillers, and leave your body where mommy and daddy can find it.

Fuck it, just give them straight up cash, but limit it to like 3 or 4 kids per family so niggers don't start permanent breeding farms.

>>129396056
>In fact, complete privatization of the education system is the best option.

I 100% agree with you Australia-bro. Thanks for the post.
DeVos is awesome and we are very blessed to have her dismantle the Marxist indoctrination camps. Ron Paul said once, not so long ago, "Get your kids out of the public schools." With common-core education, I realized that it was time to abandon that method of education for any future offspring. It's why the home-schooling has gotten so big over the Obama administration.

>>129396056
When did GQ become such faggots

school choice = forced integration
school choice = government putting their feet in private schools

school choice is nothing more than a expensive version of forced busing

>>129396056
wtf i will find strangers to teach my children through an iphone app now

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>>129399127
DeVos was not put there to run the department, she was put there to dismantle it.

>>129403380
It may kinda work if only whites and asians would benefit from it and the gov wouldn't push ideology using it.
With low iq niggers and mestizos it doesn't

>>129402946
> In a one-size-fits all way.

That's a really cute fucking DeVos talking point but it falls apart when you think about education standards

Ex. you have some chuckle fuck from State A whose state lowers the bar so a 2.0 = 4.0 to hide their awful school requirements while State B's been pushing to meet high standards and their 4.0 is equivalent to a 4.3

How the fuck is your State Experimentation idea fair to literally any child in this system? The ones with 2.0s that now equal 4.0 going into the system? the one with real 4.0s that get devaled because of chuckle fuck? The one who really hit a 4.0 but now its equal to chuckle fuck's (((4.0)))? Literally every child gets screwed without standards that are common sense and well thought out.


Full Hearing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGb8xKtapu4

>>129398468
breaking up the teachers unions and breaking down the marxist reeducation camp system they have set up is the biggest long term threat to their power.
The outrage they generated against her is very convincing evidence of how corrupt they are desu.

>>129396056
Does GQ really think that condescending tone will convince anybody of anything? What kind of braindead numale have they got interning as "social media director"?

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I would go so balls deep in her you'd have to pry me loose with a fucking crowbar.

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>American education

Burn it all to the ground. Expert after expert, billions after billions, iPads and new age teaching bullshit hasn't worked. You Americans need to bring this shit down and take it back to basics.

Also look at how much gets spent on education and how much is actually needed. The amount spent per kid is absolutely insane and any attempt to reduce this will end the gravy train so many people have been riding, it's why they're going to fight tooth and nail against it. The vice executive coordinator for school disctrict interdisciplinary meetings knows her job is fucking goooooone when the money stops flowing and oh lord how I hope it finally does

Defund and cut em loose, god speed America

>>129396056
Fuck this shit. I don't want niggers being bussed in to suburban white schools like what happened at my high school. They bring drugs and crime.

>>129398347
>schools in the US are fucking awful
They are awful all across the west for the working class. It's like that one purpose. They don't care about us one bit. They want to kill us and make our children dumb slaves.

>>129403792
exactly

white parents when they said "we want to put our children in good schools", even if they're shitlibs (although they wouldnt say that's the reason), is obvious they're meaning: a suburban public school with mostly white students or a private school.

if the coons arrive they'll ruin such schools

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>didn't even have a Department of Education until the late 70s.
>communists are now everywhere in education

Made me think

MADE ME REALLY FUCKING THINK

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>>129396056
>debased

>>129403668
The problem is those standars are constantly lowered so that niggers and beans pass them, dragging down the whites and asians down.

>>129401303
>school funding is the issue

Is there ever a solution to a problem that doesn't end with
>if only it had more funding it could have worked
The United States spends an absurd amount on education and comes up short against cunts who spend half as much. It's not a funding issue and never really was; iPads can only teach you so much

>>129399884
He is a madman augmented by modern technology. Truly the hero we don't deserve.

>>129403830
>i suck at things so surely everyone else sucks, too
kys eternal anglo

>>129402395
It isn't about making everyone's lives better. It is simply impossible to educate some people. It is not working. The best thing to do is make it easier for the smart , lower middle class to escape. The lower class is fucked either way.

Literally how can you even argue against privatization of education? Either you are completely ignorant of basic economics or you are a shill for the pubic school system.

>>129403830
But that's the end goal of socialism - turn everyone into tax-producing brainless peons completly controlled and monitored by the state

>>129398282
As long as the public schools face competitive pressure they will tend to improve. There will be a lot of parents on the fence between just sending their kids to public school or using the voucher to send their kid to a private school so the public schools will try to keep those kids there by making improvements.

>>129396056
what the fuck is GQ and why do they hate choice?

>>129404144
There is no argument. The only people shilling for public education are Brock's employees in this thread.

>>129404144
how is that working out for the US universities?

>>129403953
>iPads can only teach you so much
That shit happens here. I was shocked when I found out my niece HAS to have one for school and none of the kids use pen and paper. No wonder literacy is down and Australian Education is dropping to shitty 3rd world SEA levels.
>>129404053
Don't forget to bow before your Australian Queen.

>>129403733

This.

The only acceptable solution to the American education system is to burn it down.

>>129403911
Checked. They take the niggest of niggers and bus them in to suburban schools. I'm from a suburb outside of a big city and all that the niggers added to our school was good football and an increased drop out rate.

>>129396056
uugh GQ mansplaining education, at least feminists are all supporting their fellow female betsy

>>129399127
She definitely won for being rich, not for being good at education. She also clearly wants to replace public schools with government-funded religious schools (that are free to kick out openly gay kids) and she won't be honest about that, and that is why she is correctly seen as evil. Funding for religious schools (even if just a de facto result of vouchers) would never hold up in the courts so her desires are a pipe dream and she will never be honest that she simply wants taxpayer kickbacks for parents who would already send their kids to religious schools. Vouchers never pay enough to afford secular private schools (20k+), only Catholic schools and bible schools which can be found for under 10k still. Therein lies the insidiousness of her plan for advocates of secularism and upholding the Constitution.

>>129398697
You should only take Asian education stats from the following states:

>Japan
>South Korea
>Hong Kong
>Taiwan

everything else (PRC, Vietnam, India etc) has an incredibly corrupt system full of cheaters and fibbers.

>>129403952

Even with your
>nigger nigger nigger

That is exactly what DeVos is advocating just without any respect to race. She wants States run by complete unvetted idiots to decide what merits a 4.0 in their neck of the woods without any State qualifications.
>>129403953

If you actually read my posts you would know I said nothing about increasing funding across the board. It's about where the money goes.

>>129404270

What about them? The U.S. still has the best universities in the world. Now as more and more universities are jumping on the government gravy train, they are becoming shit. If anything, the decline in quality of higher level education in the U.S. is proof that socialization of education doesn't work.

>>129403668
>How the fuck is your State Experimentation idea fair to literally any child in this system? The ones with 2.0s that now equal 4.0 going into the system? the one with real 4.0s that get devaled because of chuckle fuck? The one who really hit a 4.0 but now its equal to chuckle fuck's (((4.0)))? Literally every child gets screwed without standards that are common sense and well thought out.
any college admissions department would know the difference

>>129398282
I've attended several different schools in rural and urban Indiana and one in Massachusetts. Every one of the Indiana schools blew the fuck out of that High school in Mass I spent my year in. All I need to consider.

>>129397979
The public schools are a disgrace here, I went 2yrs to a private school to graduate after 10 grades in the shit public system and was able to skip most of first yr University because of it.

Betsy Davos is single handedly saving the future of us and a by doing this reform I guarantee no parent in the US will reject those charter school payments

>>129404270
They are the best in the world and the best people from around the world go there? The only good uni's in Europe are in the UK. And they aren't "free", comrade

>>129404291

Yep. iPads are the new meme in the modern education system. This is what happens when you let females run society. Men would never put up with such nonsense.

>>129404291
>since 2011 we increased spending on education by 50%
>we fell in the rankings hard since then

How anyone says it's a funding issue I will never understand. Funding is codeword for increase the amount of administrators and bullshit, hand out some cool looking projectors to classes and think we'll all be smarter because of that. Insane.

>>129404578
>how dare the states run their own education sectors

Fuck off you subhuman monkey. Go be a communist somewhere else.

>>129396056
this is going to ruin single race schools
thanks civic nationalist cucks

>>129396056
like in the did in Chile, that country collapsed. the profit motive, cutting corners, more stupid Americans.
its been happening gradually since the 70's, im actually reasonably certain that might be the central problem with the yanks, they have lost the ability to think critically and so are susceptible to believing whatever they want to hear

>>129404384

with the government (hehe, taxpayers, obviously) paying, imagine such thing in a wide scale.
"vouchers" may work in a segregated society though, but that's very unlikely to happen

>>129404603
that's because the ranking focus on research. and european universities do research outside of the university system

also: english language

>>129403733
The average score should be a literal flat line
>Australian """education"""

You have to actually understand what that graph is showing. It would be interesting to see how "public school employees" is measured, but the one thing I do agree with is that the cost of schooling has increased dramatically for no other real reason than they will get paid whatever they charge because muh chilluns. Note that people are willing to pay more to give their children a good education, but are not willing to actually support a system that makes that possible. We need public education, you can't just not educate poor people, but we also need private education, because you can't allow poor people to drag down the average.

there's a reason why there's so few white families in nyc or los angeles = either you're insanely rich and put your kids in private schools or you put them to suffer for two decades in "me and julio down by the schoolyard"-infested schools

>>129396056
The LA public school system spends like $16K per student.

And half the kids still can't read or do basic math.

Do you think that somewhere, someone, could teach these little fuckers to read for $16K a year?

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Education is the biggest racket mankind has ever seen.

Hundred years ago they'd send one 25 year old chick out into the backwoods of nowhere into a one room school house and she'd have to teach 30 kids of all ages absolutely everything.

And it worked. Because she wanted the kids to learn, and the kids wanted to learn. In fact, if the kids didn't learn, their parents were going to be fucking pissed.

But now the whole dynamic has changed.

Kids just want to be rappers and thugs, and teachers just want the money. They want that tenure. They want to climb that ladder into an administration position where they can be making $150K a year as an assistant administrator or any other number of made up staff positions.

And thanks to the teachers unions, any teacher that says "Wait a minute. This is fucking retarded. Why does an assistant administrator need to be a millionaire?" gets slapped down and transferred to the ghetto where they promptly lose all faith in humanity and retire.

I have nothing but admiration for teachers that actually want to teach - but their unions, their bolshevik comrades that treat teaching as an easy way to indoctrinate the youth, need to go get fucked.

We need to open up education to any group that wands to teach. More private schools, all of them competing against each other.

We should be PAYING kids to get As.

The whole fucking point of getting educated is to MAKE MORE MONEY.

>Go to College! Get a good degree! Make WAY more money than those rednecks with only a highschool diploma!

Every liberal agrees with that statement! But when they hear "Lets just pay students $1K per 'A'." they fucking lose their minds.

Why? Because it would fucking work. And that would mean less money for the unions.

>>129396056
I might actually not homeschool my kid if they don't have to go to public school

>>129404578
Oh in that case I agree, fire 80% of administrative staff, cut funding in half as it's now no longer needed

>>129405160
what it's showing is a lot more spending for no increase in results.

>>129404612
>any college admissions department would know the difference


Yep, so let's now foist it off on a department that already has to sift through layers of High School records bullshit and now make them the gate-keepers between what a 4.0 should be and is. For every State. And District. Oh and on-top of International differences.


Or how about there just be a standard at the national level for State grading qualifications that makes sense instead of Texas saying that whoever says that Dinosaurs are a conjuring of the devil and evolution is gay science.


>>129404833

I said no such thing. I said: Common Sense Reform. That means speaking to each State's stakeholders; Hiring a competent DoE Head; coming together to make a national standard that puts public funding to best work while having a set across the board standard that can be trusted.


>Subhuman blah blah blah

What the fuck are you even talking about? You have literally ran out of any argument of note.

>go be a commie

You are already spending tax money on this shit. You may as well have an alright system.

>>129404821
My dad's into local politics. He did an analysis of the correlation between funding and results in Swedish schools on behalf of our municipal government. He got an r-value of 0.04. There's no significant relationship between funding and results at all, at least here in Sweden.

>>129405364
Education was fine until we made a Department for it.

Destroying the DoE is the only logical plan.

>>129398282
They already do this shit in Utah, and it's fucking awesome. It's literally a proven system. It has been around since 2007

http://www.heritage.org/education/report/utahs-revolutionary-new-school-voucher-program

You get better schools with higher education standards and better funding from non-government sources.

As long as there are Hispanics and blacks dragging it down, the US public school system will forever be fundamentally handicapped. The problem is a demographic one.

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>>129405256
>transferred to the ghetto where they promptly lose all faith in humanity and retire.
kek

It's just so fucking funny how EVERYONE knows niggers are just cancer. Absolute fucking cancer. The left that calls you racist knows it better than us and punish you by sending you to be around niggers.

>>129404603
It's over for American universities. The gravy train has arrived and they have begun their descent. Watch as they slip slide away into irrelevance and even better; watch as they say they need more funding to help reverse it all

>>129403924
McCarthy was right.

>>129404578
That's already how it works. I lived in a suburb of Phoenix, very pricy- virtually all white and Asian. School was tough, I had to work at some of my classes to maintain an A. It was rated as a top 100 public high school, iirc.

Then I moved to Flagstaff, Arizona- and went to school with inbred Navajo retards. It wasn't even comparable. The highest math course they offered was calculus one. I took that my freshman of high school year in Phoenix.

Same state.

Pretending that standardized education is helping anyone is foolish. They make it so nogs and trogs can pass.

>>129405472

I already said it up-thread:

If Trump would simply have the stones to up and say that and advocate that: Best of Luck

Engaging in DeVos' double-speak while charter-school districts suck up public funds with even more shit results than the already shitty public school results? No.

>>129405590

I really don't get your point.

From my first post I advocated significant reform in how national funding and standardization for State Qualifications is done. The people opposed to what I am saying are literally advocating for not only what you said happens but to make the requirements even more loose.

My point is not that the system works. My point is that DeVos' system works |demonstrably| worse so pick someone else with competent ideas.

>>129405356
What does it feel like to be actually retarded?

By all means, show me where there was no change in results

>inb4 the graph

Let's use SAT scores as an example. The AVERAGE has stayed pretty much the same, because that is the way the test is designed. Everyone getting As is actually a bad thing, it means your test is too easy. The goal of testing is to actually separate the population, and distinguish the people who did better. To do that, your average score has to actually be average.

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>>129405499
>source is heritage

mk sweetie

>>129402395
What will actually happen
>choice
>everyone wants to go to the good school
>supply and demand
>good school tuition is $200,000 a year with a 1% acceptance rate
>vouchers don't pay for that
>Investors create cheapear version of GoodSchool™
>Increased demand for teachers more then thant he (((Teacher Association))) can handle
>They lose control over the teachers and therefore the cultural marxist agenda

I happened here but be ready for some awful school to be created

>>129396056
They want schools to basically indoctrinate kids to be radical sjw Leftists so they can dismantle western society and reform the world into a Globalist Socialist state

If you think that's a meme then you're a fucking idiot

>>129405418
OF course there isn't but it doesn't matter because the leeches have found the perfect host.

>increase funding
Don't you want to help kids learn?????
>no change in results
We didn't have enough funding
>want to cut funding
Why do you hate the children so?

It's the perfect system where the money they get is only ever going to increase. The best that can happen is maybe a decrease in the rate of increase.

Meanwhile it doesn't matter how well they actually perform, hell they can perform worse and end up getting more money. There is no losing this game.

>>129406081
>Source is just talking about a law being passed

Here's a less "problematic" one for you then: The actual law.

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title53A/Chapter1A/C53A-1a-P8_1800010118000101.pdf

>>129405519
I have a strong feeling if you plotted the percentage of the US being non-white vs time and the average educational results vs time the changes would mimick each other. But even after seeing that the leftards would go about pouring more money into ed

>>129406017
You know what he meant mate take it easy. All that funding and standards are dropping, what was 60% then is 96% now etc

>>129406455
The point is the law exists in a relatively homogenous, very Christian state where people already are not fond of secularism. Vouchers are an attempt to degrade secularism and secular-funded education and use public funds for religious purposes.

Is this law even still in force?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695225580/Vouchers-killed.html

>>129406582
Well nobody here has a (legal) solution to this problem that doesn't involve sending kids to religious schools and hoping that non-Whites are still stuck in public schools.

>>129396056
The only downside is what do you do about the families who can't afford to pay for a private school for their child?

The last thing we want is some hoodlum in the streets because he can't receive an education.

>>129401303
>Do you think handing insane "Dinosaurs didn't exist" charter (((schools))) your tax dollars while public schools go even less properly funded and thus fall into even more insane teaching tactics and ideas to juice tests?
Yes. Young Earth Creationism is retarded, but it's not half as retarded as progressive dogma these days. You can easily find a YEC Christcuck who went on to be a PhD scientist. You can't find a single Shitlib who went on to become a critical thinker in any field. They are uniformly drones of established doctorine who can only innovate within the narrow window of acceptable political opinion. That's why so many of them are working on fundamentally useless projects like how to send more aid to Africa or how to design "socially conscious," buildings.

In all seriousness, I teach graduate level math and I think any and all reforms to education that involve stripping money from the public system are both valid and absolutely necessary. There is no end at all to the insanity the social left wing is willing to go through and put young people through and they are demonstrably harmed by it. Each and every year is a more docile and zombie-like white class while the non-whites are increasingly aggressive in their stupidity. Even ASIANS are now becoming an aggrieved and pushy minority that expects compensatory treatment for perceived slights.

It has to end.

>>129405941
You can have a standard when the IQ (which more or less decides how well you'll do in education) fluctuates by the standard deviation.
This isn't the case when you have different, lower average iq races cause the spreads are too big and the "standards" will eventaully need to be lowered to encompass those lower-iq races, dragging down the higher iq ones and stiffling their advancment. Monkey understands now?

>>129406590
Sure, that's probably true. The graph in no way supports that though, if you took it at face value it would actually say that school standards have been maintained since the 70s.

My point is that posting a graph is not an "I win" button, you have to actually understand how the data was gathered, and interpret it correctly.

>>129406295
I love reading stories about how those libtards go to teach in a school/class full of negros and eventually get redpilled pretty hard by reality. AmRen is full of them

>>129396056
Completely agree, would also help with minorities having access to better schools.

>>129406875

That's not a downside, that's a perk.

>>129407264
Agree but I think a simple look at the graph and the idea that standards have stayed the same is quite obviously full of shit. So not only is funding increasing by an insane amount the correlation to mediocre standards is even worse than the image says.

You understood the picture, I understood it, we all did mate let's not argue the small shit. We're all smart enough here to realise no change in average scores means we're flying down the highway to stupidity

>>129407431
How?

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I spent most of my childhood in a pretty well funded California school district. I would have grown up to be an absolute failure, probably a drop-out, if I hadn't been moved to a charter school.

I'm about to have a child and I swear to God they will not step foot inside of a public school. Between charters, traditional private schools, Waldorf schools, home school plans and cooperatives, etc., there is just no reason to subject a child to both sub-par education and a shitty social atmosphere.

It's mediocre at best, and gets worse with more money.

>>129404518
>would never hold up in the courts

The idea that the first amendment means atheism is a state religion is nonsense.

>>129406974

>Insane Hardline Fundy Schools are better than every single liberal school in terms of education

I get that you are heated in your rhetoric but how can I take what you say seriously when you are legit not only equivocating flat-earthers and crazy Christian fundies with every liberal schooling but saying its hands down better.

>>129407015

>Monkey understands now?

You are here trying to disparage my race (and getting it wrong by the way, you would be a more accurate asshole if you made a Cuban race jab you fucking dickhead) when you hit a logic roadblock and can't wrap your thick skull around it:


>and the "standards" will eventaully need to be lowered

No, they do not. They are allowed to be lowered and fucked with by assholes just like DeVos. Just because you think she is on your "team" doesn't mean shit when she is stumping up for the same standard lowering garbage that people are railing against liberals for in this very thread.

>>129407733
Vouchers use public, taxpayer money, primarily to fund religious schools unless that is specifically not allowed by the program (which it likely isn't in most cases). The Supreme Court ruled in 2002 that is a ok but most states would still knock down such laws as in violation of the establishment clause or at the very least a state Blaine amendment:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blaine_Amendment

>>129399127
>democrat opinion
>proxy flag
Woah, mind blown.

>>129407598
>We're all smart enough here to realise no change in average scores means we're flying down the highway to stupidity

Apparently not. The tests, all of them, are designed so that the average does not change. It is SUPPOSED to be a flat line. If the average score goes up, the test was too easy, if it goes down it was too hard. You only need to separate people from other people in the same year. As standards change, the tests change. For instance, if a 9th graders are now expected to understand quadratic equations, or more accurately, no longer expected to understand quadratic equations, a question relating to quadratic equations is added or removed from standardized testing.

>>129407778
I don't see why you are defending public schools, especially American public schools
But from your reddit spacing I can guess why
Standards are low in public schools and in general fail at their most basic charges not even taking into account how behind they are in teaching for the needs of a modern society

>>129403668
>falls apart when you consider education standards
>the standards that are constantly being lowered because muh racism

>>129406875
You could approach that a number of ways.

1. Homeschool
2. Find other families and form a co-op to hire educators
3. Charities would almost be guaranteed to pop up to help some of these cases get an education
4. With a fully privatized system you would find options at just about any market level.


The reality is, at least based on a bunch of seriously heart breaking shit I've read over time from disenchanted urban teachers, the kids you're talking about are out on the streets anyways. When they aren't being hoodlums there, they're being hoodlums IN school and still gaining nothing.

And just because you aren't in school doesn't mean you can't become educated. My learning saw the most acceleration and progress when I was homeschooled, basically just reading textbooks and pursuing my own interests online. My step-mom had an MS in Physics and would help me as needed but really, the most significant boost she gave me was just telling me to read. I learned far better that way than from any of my prior teachers.

Ultimately I got a GED because I wasn't in an official curriculum, but I've still come to be at the management level in my organization, I'm growing a small business, learning new skills, own a house, I invest, etc. High school means little beyond the importance we are told it should have, by the people who have a vested interest in the system existing.

>>129408177
oh fuck off back to your containment thread /ptg/ fag
>murr democrat muh republican

>>129406738
If you read the text for the law, the money is audited regularly and verified to be spent on educational purposes.

The total requirements for elegibility by a school are:

>Be physically located in Utah (eg. no 100% online schools, or out of state)
>Have a contracted, state-certified accountant run regular spending audits on the voucher money
>Follow antidiscrimination laws "No person in the United States shall, on the ground of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance." (42 U.S.C. Sec. 2000d)
>Meet health code
>Tell parents what special-ed services are available (none are required other than basic handicapped access as per state discrimination laws)
>Run state tests, tell parents results, have results on hand for audits in a non-student-identifiable form
>Employ teachers who pass a background check and have accredited degrees in education OR "have special skills, knowledge, or expertise that qualifies them to provide instruction in the subjects taught"
>Provide these teaching credentials to parents.
>Provide proof of accreditation from any accrediting body on request (to anyone who asks)
>Have more than 40 students
>Not be based out of a residence
>Not do anything illegal
>Not be a licensed residential treatment facility

The audit mentioned involves the following:
>Working capital is at least 80% of spending (no debt-ridden, grant-dependent schools)
>Voucher money is handled separately
>Voucher money is used on educational expenses only
>Results are reported every 4 years

As far as what that article references, I'm not sure, but the Parent Choice in Education Act that I listed was never repealed.

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title53A/Chapter1A/53A-1a-P8.html?v=C53A-1a-P8_1800010118000101

So, while it can be used to make religious schools, they still have to meet education standards.

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>>129402095
>we need mo money for dem education programs

>>129405941
>I don't get your point
The effectiveness of education is reduced to the lowest common denominator per group of students. Thus, considering all students as if they are one group means you are reducing the education quality to the level of the dumbest kids.
That you don't understand this just shows that you went to a school that fell victim to this.

>>129408177

>Proxy flag

Yep, I just so happen to know the local slang for a White Bahamian because my proxy game is simply that stronk


>>129408498
I am standing up for the idea of a well run public school system. Not the mess that hardline liberals have made the current one nor the mess that mouth-breathers like DeVos wants. If that is somehow a crazy idea to support then lock me up for insanity.

>Reddit spacing

Fuck.Right.Off

>>129408563
DeVos wants it lowered because: Muh States Rights. Why the fuck do I have to back up my moderate stance on the issue when both hardline sides are assholes?

>>129396056
Nothing wrong with what she said

Can we please kill all the Young Republicans that are shilling?

>>129396056
The only issue I have with vouchers and such is that niggers are given priority. The number of niggers in the high school nearby is drastically higher than the population of the city. They're being shipped in and they're causing trouble in the area.

>>129396056


she's right.

it should be like choosing your interwebs provider

>>129408859
>That you don't understand this just shows that you went to a school that fell victim to this.

>Education standards should be abolished across literally every metrics because education standards make everyone dumb.

Yep, its my education that is in question when you make blanket bullshit statements like that.

So let's say every qualification of education across a group of students is abolished as your claim supports:

Do you expect college admissions to go over every assignment completed by Student: Chuckle Fuck? Every McDonalds manager considering applicants? No, that is pants-on-head retarded.

Settle on well founded standards and stick to them.

>>129408696
I couldn't find much in the news for it after 2007. I assume it was struck down?

It still amounts to funding religion with taxpayer money, even in the Supreme Court says that is awwwwright if the funding is de facto religious not de jure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAAOnmOlrLU

>>129408820
This problem arises from thinking that given enough resources the nigs and spics will achieve the same results as whites and asians.
This doesn't happen for obvious reasons so the panaceum is to pour in more money. Like with aid to Africa

>>129407598
>we're all smart enough
>doesn't understand curve grading
Gobble harder.
>>129409441
I'd love to see real madrasas funded just to watch you sycophantic Young Republican buttboys screech.

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>>129396056
SAVE US BETSY FROM THE MARXISTS

BRING GOD BACK TO OUR CHILDREN

>>129408925
I'm sorry your reddit spacing is annoying to read but I'll continue to point it out in the interest of standing up for a well run imageboard :^)

Anyway public schools are still shit and always will be. Lets have choice and let some people escape from the shithole instead of imprisoning everyone and wasting money

>>129409422
>reddit spacing

>>129409422

I don't think he is arguing against standards, he is just saying that students of the same ability should be grouped together, so that the standard per each group never has to be lowered.

>>129409621
Huh? I don't support using public funds for religious education. I think you (you)'d the wrong person.

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>grade schools build a foundation of conservatism and traditionalism in young minds
>which leads to teens & young adults developing a strong sense of moral righteousness and hatred of degeneracy
>which leads to an ethno-nationalist country
& society is fixed. Thanks, Betsy!

>>129409800
Public schools do NOT allow tracked classes because they often end up providing default racial segregation. Allowing tracked classes in public schools would make a huge difference and wouldn't require using public money for religious purposes.

>>129399218
Good anon

>>129409441
I just said in my post that it's still law. You'll note that on this page:

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title53A/Chapter1A/53A-1a.html

only 1, 5-8, and 10 are listed. This is because 2-4 and 9 were repealed.

>>129409598
The problem is that the more money that goes into schools never makes it to the classroom. It's all spend on new metrics, new tests, and new layers of administrators to muh manage the whole pile of explosive diarrhea, whip actual instructional personnel harder, and beg for more money.
Fire and imprison all administrative personnel above secretary. Public schools will save billions and provide a higher quality education.
>b-but muh future jawb
>>129409831
Whoops, sure did. I still want to see them screech like wounded entitled little animals.

>>129396056
Go read another Ayn Rand novel, you ancap retard. Privatization isn't always better, especially with regard to education.

>>129409831

>he unironically believes in the separation of church and state meme

All the problems with the modern education system can be traced back to the rejection of Thomistic metaphysics.

>>129409993
What do 2-4 and 9 involve that was so controversial?

>>129410019
Any attempts to bolster Christianity will long-term strengthen Islam anywhere the two co-exist. Fundies will only find that out the hard way with all their disingenuous efforts to dismantle secularism.

>>129396056
The only reason this stenchy cunt is still breathing air is because she has MLM scam inheritance and family in the mercenary industry.

>>129410169

>Any attempts to bolster Christianity will long-term strengthen Islam anywhere the two co-exist

What kind of backwards logic is this? Please explain yourself.

>>129399127
Go fuck yourself and go back to your shithole of a country, you Marxist faggot.

>>129399127

What the fuck would you know of it, you goddamn plant? Look at what all the previous "well qualified" secretaries have managed to accomplish... Our education system is in the dumpster. Plain and simple. The reason for this is because teachers/admin have nothing to worry about if their performance sucks ass. It's due time for choice and competition

>>129409771

>Well run imageboard
>4chan

Do-hohohoho, shine on you crazy diamond

>>129409800

His point went several miles beyond that line but fine I will field this because it's reasonable.

We are in a Pro Betsy DeVos thread. Betsy literally wants to smash up national standards and let schools shovel public money into her pet charter school "experiments" that have failed to even meet up to the already shitty public schools.

I have said it before in this thread:

Smash the DoE and stop it from sucking public funds (which republicans won't do openly because they would be roasted at the stake next election for it), but shifting public school stupidity dollars to charter school stupidity dollars gives you a net negative on every metric.

>>129409597
10/10, yes prime minister is golden viewing especially in threads like these.

>>129410277
That if you make laws that favor religion, in the short-term they will favor the predominant Christianity but given immigration and higher piety rates with Islam over the long term you will be funding and aiding Islam because Islam exists to take advantage of the loopholes of the world.

>>129410169
They're unrelated education laws. The voucher stuff is all in part 8.

Part 2 is about compensation for the state education board.

Part 3 is all about the superintendent's duties

Part 4 is about the powers and duties of the board of education

These were all extensions of other laws.

Part 9 was "Implementing Federal or National Education Programs Act.", which is controversial for obvious reasons just because it has the word "Federal" in it.

>>129401499
You're right nigger hate isn't the answer. Rounding up all the niggers and executing them IS the answer. Time to take action.

>>129410300
aww, the Young Republicans are getting salty and assmad.
>can't draw a positive inference, so it must be negative
>hasn't heard of the null hypothesis
>hasn't heard of ulterior motives
>probably believes everything anon sees on TV because the screen would never lie

>>129410285
>shithole of a country = Island Paradise that Burgers spend tonnes of money to even visit
>Its Marxist to want to reform of a public school system

Okay.

>>129410300
>you goddamn plant!

Heh, at least your insults are amusing.

>Let's try out the DeVos crazy because the last set sucked


Again: DeVos' beloved programs have been tried. They are significantly and demonstrably worse than current public school metrics.

Shake up the DoE system, but not with something that can't even work on the micro.

>>129398347
idk dude test stress is a meme but you're grossly underestimating how badly No Child Left Behind fucked over schools, students, and teachers. Glad that fucking piece of shit legislature was removed. I went to an okay high school but even there people were struggling with the constant bombardment of tests. I can't imagine how the blacks handled it.

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>>129410487

Yea I would much rather have pic related be the defender of Western civilization

>>129410712
>shake up

Just get rid of it. Not needed. Waste of money. Did fine without it before and now things are a shithole, fuck it

>>129410940
When was that?

>>129410928
You can have religious schools, you just can't fund them with public money.

>>129399180
>if whites pass more than whites, dumb down everyone to compensate

>>129402427
sauce? dang

>>129411028
1776

>>129398347

Blame niggers.

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>>129411039

>Enlightenment values

>>129410491
This says the law was repealed:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/education/article/Trump-DeVos-embolden-Utah-school-voucher-11143930.php

Emboldened by the new White House administration, advocates including Byrne, the money man behind Utah's ambitious voucher proposal that was crushed by voters a decade ago, say there is a renewed appetite to expand school choice in the state.

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>>129396056
why shouldn't it be? some countries do this. you pick the school that best suits your needs. sort of like what we already do for university.

we can have schools compete for funding based on their standardized test results which would influence how they base their standards of enrollment acceptance... oh wait, this would lead to meritocracy which is racist/classist which means leftists would never allow it to happen and would ruin it through racial/economic regulations just like they're doing to our universities

>>129396056
DeVos is 100% right and these kike have no argument against it except "nuh uh."

We have empirical evidence that school selection benefits students. There is no argument to the contrary.

>>129411741

>White V

white vagina?

>>129411870
V=Verbal
M=Math

>>129411353
>larping the 18th century, forever
Join the SCA and leave us out of it.
>>129411741
>muh compete
Critical thinking can't be measured on standardized tests. I'm sure that's no accident.

>>129410712
If you even went to a US public school maybe you would understand how well it's not going. And as a parent, I finally yanked my two young Aryan sons out of the communist, liberal, nigger infested shithole and now life is good.
Yeah, you're country is doing real well with the tourism industry. What if it dries up? You assmunchers will be wailing for help, just like those fucking stupid Ricans.
White Bahamian right. Since you had to say you're white, I can come to the conclusion that you're a fucking nigger.

>>129410332
>Do-hohohoho, shine on you crazy diamond
I kind of like that desu
btw I agree with you that these charter schools aren't the solution but I'd rather have the power of the teachers unions crushed than nothing done at all
You are right also that republicans lack the balls to do the right thing and destroy the DoE

>>129396056
>BASED DEVOS completely BTFO the schooling system
This might be funny to you, but your education system isn't getting fucked.

>>129411846
That she wants to use taxpayer funds towards religion. If she wants to defund/destroy DoE, sure, but be honest about it. If she wants to add back tracked classes, sure, but be honest about it. She is vague and avoidant about her true goals and everybody knows it.

>>129412217
Sounds like the ex H.N.I.C and all his cronies.

>>129411846

You don't even need empirical evidence. Private education systems can be proven to be better rationally.

Public education: choose between A
Private education: choose between A, B, or C

Either B and C are both worse than A, in which case private education is no better than public education, or B or C is better than A, in which case private education is better than public education.

Always remember when people argue against private education THEY ARE LITERALLY JUST ARGUING AGAINST CHOICE. They can be ignored for the obvious shills they are. You have no burden of proof when dealing with shills.

>>129412383
We are arguing against using public funds for religious purposes.

>>129412128
Why, so you won't be hanged for having a business degree and being a worthless chrome-plated piece of shit with a title?

You can't shame kids into feeling bad for Jews if you can't make them read Night.

>>129412554

No, YOU are. The person I replied to mentioned nothing about religion.

>>129412383
>rationally
>muh choice = better
>muh competition = guaranteed
Do you see why you Young Republicans should be gassed?

>>129403704
Teacher unions are really beyond the pale when it comes to education reform. Teachers are no better than daycare workers with no standards demanding they actually teach your kids. As long as you're not caught fucking students or saying something racist you're untouchable.

Really, if you're not retarded, homeschool your kids. Public school is unironically not a place for smart kids.

>>129412676

Your arguments are literally snarky greentext.

Go ahead, defend your shitty government school system.

>>129412217
I don't have any kids. Why the fuck are my tax funds going to these little faggots anyway?

>>129412814
Because society is cooperative.

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>>129412878

>he argues in political cliches

>>129412878
Well, I'm rethinking this a bit since my shekels go to little fuck head kids and nigger on the gibs. Seems like I'm getting a raw deal here save the streets and police.

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>>129396056
And Uber is an unsustainable piece of shit that only continues to exist because it's backed by billions in donated tech dollars. You essentially just said
>This terrible idea isn't terrible!
>It works exactly like this other terrible idea that's terrible

http://archive.is/sysjv

>>129412814
Because taxes are meant to keep this thing we call a society running. And since our society has deemed it prudent to invest in educating children into future tax payers, we have public school.

>>129396056

based hahahahah DeVos billionaires got rich off scamming poor fucks out of their savings with Amway scam. total complete scam. now they want to throw schools to wall street fucks.

Trump University! ahahahahahahah

ignunt poor tards will never learn not to be scammed by these evil billionaire monsters

>>129410332
Thanks Bahamanon,

I'm glad someone understands how this shit works.

>>129405519
This is pretty much the whole story. Demographics = destiny. The best we can do is allow tough discipline in urban schools so that the kids who WANT to learn actually can.

But the results will mirror the source material. Schools are mainly a product of their students - not the other way around.

>>129412789
Who says I was? I'm attacking your definition of "rational" as including shitty consumerism and muh competition as a reflexive solution to a collective action problem, when in fact competition is a waste of resources and energy every single time.
My solution is, was and remains to fire all these fucking useless administrators and superintendent dicksuckers that this culture of muh testing and measurement has spawned. They cost a LOT, they get in the way of actual instruction, and they're worthless human beings.

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>>129396056
>She's right. In fact, complete privatization of the education system is the best option.
It would only work in large cities, rural areas not enough students ie demand to create competition.

>>129413874
>tough discipline
>why don't we create positions that attract latent pedophiles and S&M freaks
God damn you're smrt.

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>>129396056
>Trump-friendly school

Like Trump university?

>>129396056
The teacher's unions leadership and members are communists. They protest more than they teach in Chicago, and they stoke anti-American radicalism and hatred in the minority communities that they're supposed to serve. It's fucking ridiculous here, I so hope school choice happens and they all get shitcanned.

https://archive.is/fgOLK

>>129401911
I believe it. SRU wanted to get rid of honor societies that included men and wouldn't allow wearing honor cords at graduation because it might make the snowflakes feel bad.

>>129414116
Perhaps in the rural areas, parents could get funding for either homeschool or to set up small cooperative home school groups. But otherwise, the kids would likely be stuck with the commies and SJWs.

>>129411712
This is the current legal code I'm linking.

https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title53A/Chapter1A/53A-1a-P8.html?v=C53A-1a-P8_1800010118000101

This site is what I've been referencing, and it shows the current legal code of Utah, not historical code. This is why the repealed parts are not listed.

The bill that got repealed after a referendum modified this act, but didn't create it.

>>129415409
Maybe it just isn't enforceable now? Every source I can find says Utah repealed the laws regarding school choice.

You're not allowed to choose which school your kids go to?

>>129414398
>t. beaner

>>129414116
Rural areas already ship students in from a wide range with busses. If you live really far away, you generally have a single bus stop that drives the kids for 30 minutes or more, rather than scattered bus stops that have a 30-40 minute route. From the kids' and drivers' perspectives, it's the same.

With this tactic you easily get 800-1200 student schools, and pull in students from wide areas.

>>129415554
I highly doubt that, considering it's what currently allows my niece and nephew to go to a charter school instead of the local middle school, at no cost to their parents.

>>129403792
Can confirm. Worked at a nigger school and this is literally what they did.

>>129396056

Yeah GQ. People should be forced into everything. It's have a big totalitarian education system where everyone is mashed together and the kids all have to do nonsensical Common Core math problems.

Totalitarian education ("Free for all!") worked so well for the Prussians, Germans, and Russians in the twentieth century.

Leftism is a religion and these people are theocrats.

>>129415727
We have charter schools here but not vouchers. They are different things anon.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/11/AR2007111101326.html

Utah voters repealed a state law last week that granted publicly funded vouchers worth up to $3,000 per student to help pay private school tuition.

A referendum to repeal the law passed with a 62 percent majority, a notable margin in a state thought to be hospitable to the voucher movement. The GOP-led Utah legislature had narrowly enacted the law this year with support from the Republican governor.

>>129396056
ill never in a million years fathom how people can tolerate the fact that their children go to "school" for 12 years at a reprehensible cost to the taxpayer and come out suitable for nothing more than a fast food job

>>129398347
>>129398697
>>129403830
>flying colors
>low standards
?

To be honest I'd love for American schooling to be like Japan's where you have to take entrance exams to get into a good school and you get a sweet uniform to go with it. I hate how our current system is "get D's to get the diploma while dressing like an asshole". Your fate should be determined by your ability to perform above others on a national scale, and not by your ability to calculate the bare minimum amount of work.

>>129403380

>was one of the best ideas Western civ ever head

Look at this bluepilled brainlet.

No, the Prussian education system was literally founded as a method of state indoctrination. By decreasing contact time with family and increasing contact time with state employees consuming biased state propaganda in their civics and humanities subjects they can essentially direct the emotional and mental development of the citizens from an early age, while also significantly weakening the familial bond (i.e blood loyalty). If you look at the stats for home schooled kids, they are always significantly ahead of children in both public and private school on standardized tests and understanding of the curriculum in all fields, but countries like (((Germany))) get very angry with you when you try to homeschool your kids nowadays because they can't be sure your children are absorbing the (((correct narrative))) and are being exposed to the appropriate daily dose of brown people (seriously, even my public high school forced somali niggers down our gullet and never expelled them even when they pulled knives on us).

If you want to know why "Western" "civilization" is so degenerate now, it starts with the Prussian school system that you've implemented in your public education that you in your ignorance have called the "best idea ever" which only goes to shows how your education has failed you.

>>129416067
Please detail to me what the difference would be, then. As far as I can tell it's in name only.

Note that CURRENT legal code states:

>Full-year scholarships shall be awarded in the amounts shown in the following table, or for the amount of tuition for a full year, whichever is less.

>Less than or equal to 100% of the income eligibility guideline $3,000
>Greater than 100% but less than or equal to 125% of the income eligibility guideline $2,750
>Greater than 125% but less than or equal to 150% of the income eligibility guideline $2,500
>Greater than 150% but less than or equal to 175% of the income eligibility guideline $2,250
>Greater than 175% but less than or equal to 200% of the income eligibility guideline $2,000
>Greater than 200% but less than or equal to 225% of the income eligibility guideline $1,750
>Greater than 225% but less than or equal to 250% of the income eligibility guideline $1,000
>Greater than 250% of the income eligibility guideline $500

Sound familiar?

The legal code doesn't change based on how many articles you link.

>>129396056
education is for liberals anyway. I dropped out of school in the fifth grade and today i'm a billionairre.

>>129416949
I had assumed for charter schools they were funded by the same source as public schools and so it wasn't like a voucher is issued and these aren't private schools that already existed independently of the public school system but rather privately run, publicly funded schools intended as an alternative for public school kids, but not for private school kids. Also, they are non-religious.

Well I'm surprised there is such minimal coverage of the issue.

>>129396056
>using taxi vs uber analogy
Off topic, but cab companies fork out a lot of money for business insurance, a building, etc. If uber fags had to pay 5,000 grand a year, just for insurance, they would taste the reality that real businesses taste.

>>129398347
State tests have always been a joke. In my school days I didn't know a single kid that actually tried at it.

>>129415986
>Totalitarian education ("Free for all!") worked so well for the Prussians
>doesn't realize that the American system is based on the Prussian system, especially in the Great Lakes states
>quality duhmerican education
Is there a reason you're not killing yourself right now? Serious question.

>>129417243
That is basically how it ends up working, since it's an approval-based process.

Charter schools actually have fewer restrictions in some areas, for example not needing physical grounds.

By this quote, any school funded from vouchers would also be a charter school in sentiment, if not in name:

"Are charter schools considered public schools?

Yes. A public school is defined as a school that is open to the public, funded by the public,
and accountable to the public. Charter schools meet all three tests"

From: http://www.schools.utah.gov/charterschools/Resources/General/FAQs.aspx

>>129416777
>Prussian education system is made of cuckoldry training
Alright, let's cancel that shit which is still active all over the USA and substitute Montessori education in. Whoops, parental authority drops to zero because parents see their children as means of self-empowerment by perpetuating their psychoses and ignorance rather than future contributots to society.

>>129413874
No point. Virtually every black problem is the result of subsidization of the single mother household. The second that ends it will take a generation for the damage to be undone.

We might as well take every dollar going towards black schools and funnel it directly to the police and penal system for the next 15 years.

>>129406974
>Young Earth Creationism is retarded, but it's not half as retarded as progressive dogma these days. You can easily find a YEC Christcuck who went on to be a PhD scientist. You can't find a single Shitlib who went on to become a critical thinker in any field
the sad thing is, this isn't actually true at all. one of the smartest programmers I know is also one of the douchebaggiest cuckiest SJWs ever. all of his social media is 95% virtue signaling bullshit, 5% programming/other interests. this is what makes it such a truly amazing mind-disease; you can catch it, yet still think rationally about something completely unrelated.

I admire DeVos bigly. With a distinguished resume of decades of philanthropy, she gets directly involved, focused on results.

With her money and social standing she could have traveled, shopped and pampered herself around the world 50 times. Kudos to DeVos for taking on a tough gig in this highly charged, poisonous environment called Washington D.C. Jesus, she's had her personal safety threatened, along with the daily dose of lefty hatred. The fact that she doesn't just fucking tell off the press and assorted entrenched idiots in Congress and throughout the public education field earns her my deep gratitude!

Actually I'm gonna write her a gracious letter of appreciation. Thx OP for the reminder!

>>129396056
>GQ

Fuck them, this is exactly why they're cancer.

My mom bought me a subscription years ago because she thought I'd be interested in the men's fashion, but the magazine is 70% elitist Manhattanite limosine liberal snark.

I never read more than two issues because it was so infuriating.

>>129396056
>this is how schooling should work
>um no sorry sweetie, that's not how it works
That's why she wants to change how it works you fucking retard liberal.

>>129411154
#AliceMaia MFC

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>>129418816

>and substitute montessori education in
>parents see their children as means of self empowerment

I don't think you know what Montessori education actually is because those two statements do not follow from one another in any possible context. You also have an extremely warped view of parenting. Though since you clearly hate your parents so much and would trust the state to spend 6-8 hours a day in control of your children over yourself I have to say the Prussian method of brain-rape has worked perfectly on you.

>>129420154
http://steiner.edu/what-is-waldorf-education/

Won't voucher programs only make niggers come into previously nice white schools?

>>129415662
it's based on where you live like county town district and shit. bad if you live in the ghetto

>>129415662
In some cases you can if you're on the boundary between two schools or if you pay for private school.

Unless you're a minority, then they'll bus you across town to a whiter school.

>>129396056
shit parents are a bigger problem than schools

>>129410103
You're patrician-tier Anon.

>>129412128
Which is retarded. Reagan literally ran on abolishing the ED, faggot cucks caved for 30 years now.

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>>129419787
1st step: Disband the Teacher's Union

w/o that, I don't have much hope

>>129404551
japanese students get on average 3 more years of instruction compared to an american student, we should get rid of summer vacation

>>129396056

I can't believe anyone can look at our colleges and say "Gee, running the rest of our educational system the exact same way is a great idea."

What the fuck is wrong with you people?

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Look at all those red states.

>private schools
>good
A private school is exactly as good as the individual teachers in it and the size of the classes it holds. Nothing more, nothing less. The price tag is utterly irrelevant. Instructors are typically hired due to holding the same political or religious views as the chairmen. Class size is determined by the popularity of the school, which the price tag has an odd relationship.

Source: I've taught in both private and public school settings. Don't get me wrong, public schools also suck. What sucks about public schools is mostly that there's not enough staff to break down classes into something that can be tailored to student needs. Smaller classes just work better, public or private.

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>>129403830
^listen to this man. The rest of you are dummies. The prussian education model extends childhood and dumbs people down. The elite see you as Darwin's genetic dead ends.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eeEWPbTad_Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eP98ZKt709A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho7PPR93XJk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2lSZPTa3ho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqcK53mBuYE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr-aEtJVVdk

>>129402902

>If they would just admit that and start the job publically and honestly I wouldn't have aa problem. The pilots that DeVos champions still chew up a massive chunk of public money and still get shit results. Its the worst of both worl

Trump can only sped his limited political capital so fast. Once Comey and crew are exposed momentum will pick up to clean more house.

>>129423800
The only homeschooled kid I ever knew was a religious extremist.

>>129423305
All white states

>>129423991
Public school kids are all socialists.

>>129423800
Most parents are completely unqualified to homeschool their children. Not only that, but in the current state of the economy, many homes have two breadwinners which leaves even less time for an education that may or may not be worthwhile.

>>129424183
Studies show even coal miners with GEDs can school their children to a higher standard than public school teachers. Public school literally makes you retarded.

>two breadwinners

Lol dumb goy. What are they winning? That was planned out too. Now the children have no protectorate and are default given to the state.

>>129406974

>In all seriousness, I teach graduate level math

Thank you for holding out against the tide of leftshit retards People like you legitimately deserve a medal. I'm 110% serious about this.

It's really good to hear from other adults that actually pay taxes and have real jobs on this board occasionally.

>>129424406
I'd really like to see those coal miners with any actual understanding of pedagogy. Parents know their children best; this is almost always true. At the same time most people, parents notwithstanding, don't have anything besides any innate talent they may or may not possess in educating others. Most people are awful instructors.

>>129423305

You realize the people who rate such things live in those states right?

>>129424171
Not all of us my friend. Some of us broke through the conditioning. I hate to use an alex jones phrase, but it is true.

>people on /pol/ actually arguing in favor of less school choice
>people actually wanting education controlled by the feds

christ

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>>129424692
They're awful instructors because they had their minds melted in the public school system. It's a vicious cycle that sucks in humans and churns out retarded lever pullers. I could have self studied much better than what i was "taught" in school.

>>129424832
Yes the mentally hard can shake it off, but what a waste of time and effort. Many people go on saying they are capitalist, but the whole structure of their lives was based around government programs and planning. They will go on to infect thinking in the rest of the country without realizing they are handing their rights away.

>>129424692
>>129425110

Before I go, let me clarify something: parental involvement in the education of their children is pivotal in their success as adults. This is true no matter what kind of schooling you go to. Lucky children have involved parents that can reinforce the skills they've learned elsewhere, or levy the deep relationship they have with their child to lend insight into lessons. Homeschooling can work where a parent acts as the medium for a defined curriculum, as long as the parent is fully involved. However, in my experience, most parents are not involved for a plethora of reasons. Many of those reasons are legitimate, and you cannot fault them. It sucks, but without changing the state of our society, it will prove very difficult to overcome.

How are those two comparable at all?

No one was ever forced to take any particular taxi, and her school plan isn't analogous at all.

It would only be analogous if you would

A. not need to go to school
B. then be able to hire teachers ad hoc

This is dumb and anyone who agrees should feel dumb.

>>129419787

>Actually I'm gonna write her a gracious letter of appreciation. Thx OP for the reminder!

You've inspired me to write one as well. Fuck leftism and that poor woman getting accosted by leftist degenerate thugs deserves a boost.

>>129396056
Interesting so basically a Capitalist indoctrination camp or a Marxist indoctrination camp. Both systems are fucked how about we move for advanced communism.

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>>129425110
Every documentary they showed us in school i had already seen several times before. The assigned books were always 2-6 grades too low for our grade level. I was forced to retake a math class i had passed due to the tard teachers not filling out the paperwork right the first time. Many homeschoolers finish the highschool curriculum years early. Not to mention all the pedo and sadist teachers.

Watch at least the first or second video i posted. It's all bout making people into overgrown children and abusing them into obedience. Now they promote racemixing with low IQs so that they won't have to keep paying for all the dumbing down.

Public school promotes nothing but sports and fund raisers for parent involvement. Adolescence is a bullshit concept. Children's literature is pushed on kids to keep them dumb and make their parents see them as dumb.

>>129425252
If the nuclear family were still intact it would be much more doable for most people.

>>129425757
I would love to give the commies their own reservation and watch them fail.

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Post yfw white flight.

>>129425110
>Yes the mentally hard can shake it off, but what a waste of time and effort. Many people go on saying they are capitalist, but the whole structure of their lives was based around government programs and planning. They will go on to infect thinking in the rest of the country without realizing they are handing their rights away.

I had no choice. in my state you go to school, or they can send your parents to jail.

I ended up getting expelled for calling my economics teacher a dumb cunt. She kept telling me how the ACA was going to save my life, and dollars someday. What an absolute fucking commie bitch.

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>>129402395

Are you truly retarded? Or just half-way retarded, like a partially rotten piece of fruit? Is there a way to lobotomize you? Or would it be nonsensical because there is no brain for a scalpel to cut through?

If you had taken even a basic economics class you would know that equilibrium occurs at at the nexus of supply and demand, the ideal price point where the highest quality is matched with the lowest price.
Besides your ineffectual reasoning of supply and demand, believing that higher demand leads to higher prices (tends to be the opposite), your arrogance on the matter is of particular disgust.

Vouchers just guarantee that everybody has the minimum level of education. You are presuming that just because there is better education that the lowest standard of education would somehow be of objectively low quality. Competition drives quality up, meaning that in relation to the current system of public education, you would still be better off as an ordinary citizen of lower-income in the U.S. under a market-regulated approach.

Education generally improves the standard of living for the entire population and their ability to create value. We are talking about lower-education here, not universities; more importantly, the voucher program (IF YOU EVEN READ THE BILL, which you probably haven't given your petulant consumption with your poorly reasoned version of transparent truth), is the notion that there is a choice to go where you wish.There is no coercion. If Tyrone wants to go to public school, let him. The topic here relates to the ability for Tyrone to choose whether he wants to receive a voucher and go to a private school instead. Perhaps he is blind and wants to go to a specialized private school for the blind. The bill allows that.

Allowing people to choose based on their own interests and needs will always satisfy those interests and needs more than if somebody else decided it for them.. Please..

>>129425757
capitalism literally matches most parts of nature

when you fertilized your mothers egg, did all of your comrades fertilize it as well? especially with the help of hormonal secretions?

>>129396056
Journalism didn't always work like it does now, just making stuff up under the guise of anonymous sources, yet here we are. Things change

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>>129396056
MUH SHEKELS GOYIM

GIB SHEKELS NOW!

SHREEEEEEEEEEE

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>>129396056
>That's not how public education works

That's why public education is shit

>>129401181
>muh states rights

state legislature is just a fucking junk show in most states

>>129396056
#EndFedEd
>1 post by this ID
sigh

>>129426149
Looking back on all those times they kept threatening us with expulsion makes me feel like an idiot. That would've been my golden ticket out of there.

>>129401878
A nation fully dependent on tourism is a disaster.

the better schools are already magnet schools so it's not like this would change anything

>>129426315
I really feel like the whole K-12 curriculum could be turned into a website. Testing centers could be used for the tests.

>>129427481
cyber school exists

>>129401130
Yes

>>129427481
There are already things like Khan Academy, but there's nuance in schooling in terms of interaction with peers that's needed to some extent for people to properly integrate into society.

Autism is already bad enough as it is. We don't need a pandemic of it.

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>>129427339
Blacks in America love the K-12 system. It keeps them out of their own hoods and not murdered. They get to parasite off the intelligence of other races. Forced communal gatherings simulate their natural stone age lifestyle.

>>129427571
Is it state run or accredited? Now that i think about it there's probably a shitloads of different study guides for the K-12 curriculum.

>>129427722
K-12 kids act like autistic kiddies. Remembering all those girls that talk like toddlers well into highschool makes me cringe. It's turned men into robots who communicate via sports stats and movie quotes. Just sign your kid up for sports and activities. Unstructured play is loads better than group holohoax propaganda sessions.

You guys do realize that charter schools aren't all religious, and that if there were choice on where to send your tax dollars, there would be a lot more private schools opening to attract the increase in demand, and most wouldn't be religious. And so what if people want to use a school voucher for a religious school? Gov't is supposed to not interfere with someone's right to worship or not worship any way they choose.

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>>129399218
>>129399884
>>129409952
Fuck off niggers. archive.is a data mining site. Take your shilling elsewhere ffs.

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>>129405549
Oh they know how bad it is. (((They))) just don't want you calling out their tools of coercion. It's like a nationwide gaslighting experiment.

>>129429345
Any proof of that hot opinion?

>>129396056
School Choice worked amazingly down here in the RGV of Texas. Although spic'd, we have one of the best school districts (STISD) in the nation. So many of my friends are rich Asians, poor Asians, rich Hispanics, and poor Hispanics. Some whites are there, too, of course, and Arabs. But, unlike California, our community is slowly going to get better.

We will save the RGV!

Public schools properly teach kids until they get to 5th grade. After that they never learn a single god damn useful thing again. 4th grade is where the kids learn multiplication/division and that's as far as most American students go. Of course in AP classes you will actually learn things but most students don't take those. 5th to 12th grade for most students is just liberal indoctrination because the teachers are all union workers who will always vote Democrat.

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>>129430466
>AP classes you will actually learn things

Common Core made a point of pushing propaganda in the AP courses.

>>129430716
I guess it depends on the teachers but all the teachers I had for AP courses were super fucking serious because they went out of their way to do it. In fact, I took like 5 AP courses and 3 of the teachers were conservatives while the other 20-25 teachers I had in high school were liberal, every single one.

>>129396056
You will note, as an American, that your once white high school is getting darker, you will then correlate the decline in graduation rates with the increase in Mexican, and black students. My old school went down the toilet when the whites said fuck it, and moved away from the brown hoards. We were graduating in the 90% region, now it's down in the 30's. If you want to fuck your white child's future up, then send your kids to school with the brown hoards

>>129427320
Yeah man, I saw my opportunity, and took an out. But I went out in a fucking blaze of glory.

The look on her face was just fucking priceless.

I would do the same thing today, as I did back then. Only this time I would not have been so reserved.

>>129431196
What about the material? Teachers don't print textbooks.