Why so anti EU? Need rational reasons

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Because collapse of the EU would lead to war in Eastern Europe.

Of course putin wants EU to collapse so he can carve himself an empire. He loves overly nationalistic euroskepticism because it would weakin the EU.

>UK, Crimea in EU
Just fuck off.

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>>129391739
Holy shit, nobody else on /pol/ is going to read all that.
>Why so anti EU? Need rational reasons
In short, pic related

>>129391739
you act like a fascist dictator would be a bad idea lmao.

>>129393613
Its really not that much to absorb... Quite short, no its not a single sentence but not quite a whole news article.

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>>129391739
You should all be part of the United States, I don't know why you even like your tyrannical little faggot countries.

>>129394234
It would be a bad idea especially if im fucked under this fascist dictator for.... not being exactly the citizen that dictator wants.

>>129391739
because your fellow burgers cannot stand the fact they are the most relevant anymore. well, they have to deal with it anyway .

this is bait. sage and hide

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>>129394234
Suppression of individual liberties so you can have a nanny state is definitely a bad call, vassal

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>>129394694
Why would we hate being the most relevant? Being the most free, powerful, and important nation in the world sounds like a good deal to me desu.

>>129394350
> you should become burgers
> your countries are tyranical
well that pretty much sums it up, doesn't it ? thanks but no thanks to your police state shithole, get on a plane and see more than murica you may see what you are missing

>>129394854
they cannot stand the fact they are NOT the most relevant anymore. meaning - they doesn't like it. technically, you've never been the most relevant but we like to let you think you are .... aaahh murica such power very strong wow . well if it whats work for you - so be it. just don't think it's true it's not

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>>129394944
>get on a plane and see more than murica you may see what you are missing
Well, I certainly have come to appreciate free speech and the right to bear arms in my travels, as well as not being ruled over by some unelected noble, it's a shame that even the nations of Europe no longer recognize these most basic of human rights.

I also very much appreciate being able to walk where I please in safety, knowing that there aren't "no go zones" from Muslims enforcing their tyranny on the people. It reminds me of the freedom of religion and freedom from religion we have, something that many nations of Europe don't recognize, unfortunately having chosen to adopt tyrannical state churches.

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>>129395357
You need to work on your english a bit, you're kind of rusty and it's a bit hard to understand what you're trying to say. You wouldn't happen to be a refugee, would you?

>>129391739
Learn how to write properly, you cunt.

Also, what is a "rational reason" to you?

>>129392990
Russia was never and would never be the only player in Europe, but you got it almost right . None of the empires existed long enough (well maybe the Roman) because once you have it - all this different people wants their 'individuality'. and in Europe we don't have huge ocean to hide cowardly behind from the others - so thats why we learn how to live with them. Do you get it NOW , maybe ?

east Europe going to war? EAST Europe? you fuckin mad boi?
i'm asking cause i know:
1. Eastern europe (read: Visegrad group &it's southern sympathizers) actually quite like each other. and if you mean Ukraine, well newsflasH: THERE ALREADY IS WARTTHERE!
In fact, Ukraine would do much better if junta in Kiew got overthrown and country reunited again. but that aside, even in Croatia and Serbia hotheads bark of war, but noone really gives a fuck. war's over. as for Macedonia, it's lost so shiptars already, so.... my condolences.
2. WEST Europe is gonna have huge problems with muzzies when they strat pushing for state control.

reason #2 is the reason why im against EU, personally. it's uncontrolled migration. cause i've seen it when country goes to civil war. aint pretty. and i dont want to see itagain, but west will see it. western europe, that it. already too late to avoid it, actually. just give it 10-20 years...

>>129395494
burger i would suggest to deal with your own niggers, I speak three languages and you are just a dumb redneck fuck

btw. mine was the previous post. i apologize for my shitty writing.

>>129396213
>hide cowardly behind an ocean

last i checked your frog asses were liberated because Americans didn't hide behind that ocean.

I call bull.
You obviously don't know Putin. "Carve and empire". LOL. Like the poles and hungarians are going to allow this.let alone other nations of the east which were part of the soviet tea club for 50 years. Serbians yeah, maybe, but they're bros with Russians anyway.

In fact, THEY (together with their other friends) might actually carve EAST European Union. it's an old idea, actually. and for all practical reasons, Europe is already split along three fractions:
1. western "we're suicidal muzzie lovers but we're so morally superior to you savages" fraction.
2. eastern "kebab remover division" fraction
3. mediterranean "i'm in deep pain and too numb to react" fraction.

>>129391739
>Why so anti EU?

Me personally because it destroys ancient culture and local tradition (especially in the agricultural sector) with nonsensical overregulations. It also, as everyone here knows, pushes for a globalist, multicultural future.

>>129391739
>Why so anti EU? Need rational reasons
The burden of proof rests on your shoulders. Explain what's so great about the EU, because I see simply no neccessity for it. It doesn't *need* to exist, therefore we're better off without it.

Even the carrot on the stick called the Free Trade Area can be replaced by a series of bilateral agreements.

>>129395357
Overt Consumerism will be out legacy. Try not to drink the kool-aid, €ürœp

Infowars cucks be like "The E.U is a Nahtzee conspiracy"

>>129391739
Cause the EU is the only true threat to American hegemony. We will never fight you guys (cause you'd arse rape us). Secondly cause the critiques of the EU have been pretty on point,

>People are distracted by brotherhood of man
>50 years of peace
>Firedrunk daughter of elysium

People forget a lot of the real shit that goes on.

>>129391739
Because the right wing and conservatives will loose shit tone of power and money, and that is all that counts for them.


I will not work my ass off and fight so some fuck ups in america can live the easy life and all they offer is adding more enemys that want kill american s and destroy our country's because they house american bases.


This is a European revolution.
Fuck you and fuck you tea and your fucking tea tax!

>>129391739
The right is pushing the EU, not working against it. Don't let some silly new-age newspeak fool you into thinking otherwise.

>>129397702
T.american nigger with no clue

http://ec.europa.eu/justice/fundamental-rights/minorities/index_en.htm

if you just spend a few seconds on google you would find out that the Eu is protecting minority´s and cultural hertage.

>>129398572

Minorities as in non whites and muzzies? Thought so

>>129398572
>>129398426
Don't like how uppity Germany are getting. Forcing Czechia and Eastern Europe to take in migrants. If your government would enforce the external border Europe would love Gerrmany

>>129392693
america stationing its bases and ThaaD in Poland is what is leading to a war.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/polish-and-baltic-hopes-for-permanent-nato-bases-frustrated-by-1997-agreement-with-russia/article20343316/

its you causing a war.

M.A.D was there for a reason.

>>129398768
>Forcing Czechia and Eastern Europe to take in migrants.

There's no legal framework in which Germany can force anyone to do anything like that. Get your shit together.

>>129398768
If polish government and Bulgaria would no move with america in to Iraq 2003 there would be no refugee crisis.

if any one get uppity its Poland not providing aid to southern EU nations for problems they created.

>>129398952
There is or we would not do it.
And we succeed with it and that s why the traitors cry for US help.

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>>129391739
The best argument against the EU is probably the monetary one. For example a single strong currency only benefits the exporters, Germany in this case and harms all the other EU members, there are many more problems such as money issue, who controls the monetary policy, etc.
You can also argue that it was desitned to fail since the European countries have very different interests and the EU does not have an effective way to reconcile them without taking away the sovereignty of the member countries.

>>129391739
We can vote out the leaders of the UK, every five years we get the chance to remove them, and when one of them leaves their post early, we get to vote for another. We could even stand ourselves and theoretically become PM. The EU is Internationalist trash designed to neuter all European nations, and now they've made it 100x worse by replacing the indigenous population with Africans and Muslims.

>>129398345
>Cause the EU is the only true threat to American hegemony.
No it's not, you fucking idiot.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/1356047/Euro-federalists-financed-by-US-spy-chiefs.html

The Americans actively want a federal EU.
>M-Muh hegemony tho
America's hegemony is secured by NATO.

>>129398952
They are applying economic sanctions. Sweden and Germany caused this. If they backed Orban and the Czech's the refugees would still be in Libyda/Greece/Turkey.

>>129391739
Why is norway on the map? Its not in the Union.

>>129399330
and there where you wrong again as all the nations get there money back thru pic related.

http://imgur.com/XpvkG9t

There is reason money is send back to EU country's, we are not america leeching of other nations.

Educate your self before posting such bullshit.

>>129399625
Look up EEA.

>>129399417
>and now they've made it 100x worse by replacing the indigenous population with Africans and Muslims
Not only is that all Britain's doing, but it's only going to get worse.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/jan/28/british-dream-europe-african-citizens
>Britain is actually taking in African migrants from other European countries

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/23/net-migration-to-uk-falls-by-49000-after-brexit-vote
>Immigration (mostly from the EU) fell sharply after Brexit

https://www.ft.com/content/94adcefa-1dd5-11e6-a7bc-ee846770ec15
>Leave actively appealed to "Asians" by promising more "Commonwealth" immigration to fill the gap left behind by the dwindling number of EU migrants

Less Europeans, more non-Europeans. But of course, it's not Britain's fault for ethnically displacing its own population. Because why take on a critical stance towards your own political class when you can blame those guys over there for something they had no authority to decide in the first place? I'm no fan of the EU but you should stop being such a retard.

>>129399493
NATO is collapsing and Eu has its own defense pact.

The US needs NATO Eu needs no NATO, we are not the target, america is for each and every one they pissed off to make a fast buck.

And now they have to pay the bill.

>>129400012
Fixed the unrachived clickbaiters
>https://theguardian com/commentisfree/2013/jan/28/british-dream-europe-african-citizens
https://archive.is/RtXNt
>https://theguardian com/uk-news/2017/feb/23/net-migration-to-uk-falls-by-49000-after-brexit-vote
https://archive.is/4iCZ9

>>129391739
Amerifats don't want EU to be competitive because that would mean they would be an economic rival to the USA. On the other hand, Russia wants to weaken the EU so they would be easier to conquer.

In other words, america and Russia are the new enemies of the free world.

>>129398572
What are you babling on about shitskin? Get out of my country! I was talking about >overregulation> especially when it comes to farming and food production (Hausschlachtung etc.) and you link articles about the EU creating yet again even more regulations. And why would I welcome a law "protecting" minorities when I just wrote that I hate the EUs push for multiculturalism? Fuck minorities, send them home.

>>129399754
Those are minuscule amounts compared to what you get from a single market with no export barriers and a single strong currency.
Learn economics and adress the other points.

>>129400057
>NATO is collapsing
Citation needed

>and Eu has its own defense pact.
Which does not separate the EU's member states from its obligations to NATO in any way, shape or form. In fact, there are even proposals to have the EU itself join NATO, with all consequences that would follow.

>The US needs NATO
How so? You know France is now the only EU country with something vaguely resembling an army, right? You know that when Putin got uppity in Ukraine it was Obama, not Merkel, leading diplomatic negotiations, right?

The biggest threat to NATO was Trump, who seems to have changed his mind (most likely after realizing how much NATO favors America).

Supranational entity that robbed sovereignty of EU countries.

Above democratic division of powers.

Not for the people.

>>129391739
Because they honestly don't care if we replace the white population of europe with niggers and arabs. Just that one little detail. I don't care how good they are on other issues honestly.

>>129400374
sure minuscule amounts, ahahaha, that are getting back to said nations and without the EU we would no t pay a cent and keep all o f it as Germany would still be stronger and bigger then all bordering nations.

You need a basic course in economic as you got no fucking clue how the system works.

The only once pissed is again america as its not getting any of this and like a greedy kid they think they have any right to it.

Petrol dollar or Trade but you never get both.

The Eu protects its nations interest.

EU regulations are highly restrictive on agriculture and fishing.. EU also has secret plans for an army and loves multiculturalist capitalist agenda..watering down our own fragile culture already watered down after the romans and normans.. basically don't want muh culture to dye. Just want to go back to living in my hut being thankful to nature and growing own food and having the right to bare swords.

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>>129391739
Do you live under a rock?

>>129401064
>sure minuscule amounts, ahahaha, that are getting back to said nations and without the EU we would no t pay a cent and keep all o f it as Germany would still be stronger and bigger then all bordering nations.
No, because then those nations would be able to put up trade barriers or devalue their currency to lower their imports/increase their exports respectively. As the system is now designed their domestic industries are forced to compete with more competitive German companies.
>The only once pissed is again america as its not getting any of this and like a greedy kid they think they have any right to it.
I don't think the US minds a weak EU, only a EU that acts as a single country and as it stands right now it does not.
>Petrol dollar or Trade but you never get both.
That's not how money works, petrodollar is mostly a meme and not why the USD is the world reserve currency.
>The Eu protects its nations interest.
The EU protects German interests.

>>129400377
>NATO is collapsing
>Citation needed


trump not backing up article 5

>and Eu has its own defense pact.
Which does not separate the EU's member states from its obligations to NATO in any way, shape or form. In fact, there are even proposals to have the EU itself join NATO, with all consequences that would follow.

With NATO removed no there are no obligations.

>The US needs NATO
How so? You know France is now the only EU country with something vaguely resembling an army, right? You know that when Putin got uppity in Ukraine it was Obama, not Merkel, leading diplomatic negotiations, right?

>The biggest threat to NATO was Trump, who seems to have changed his mind (most likely after realizing how much NATO favors America).

Worst deal and I dont care what america needs or wants, america gives a fuck what EU wants and needs. All we need is a centralized EU command as we already have multinational army units working together. A EU army that works in the EU´s and its member states best interest and not Americas.

>>129401848
>trump not backing up article 5
Trump changed his mind on NATO. And how is he not backing up article 5? Can you name a specific instance of a NATO country being attacked and Trump just shrugging?

>With NATO removed no there are no obligations.
Since when is NATO removed?

>All we need is a centralized EU command
Yeah, so instead of sucking America's dick for protection we have a powerful multi-national army of barely functioning militias that can barely understand eachothers orders. Just like Austria-Hungary!

>>129401848
Yeah everyone let's rearm the nazis

>>129401694
No, because then those nations would be able to put up trade barriers or devalue their currency to lower their imports/increase their exports respectively. As the system is now designed their domestic industries are forced to compete with more competitive German companies.

no as we would do the same and win as again we are the bigger nation with bigger reserves.

I don't think the US minds a weak EU, only a EU that acts as a single country and as it stands right now it does not.

I dont care what the US wants as the US dose not give a fuck what I want, if aggression and tension is the outcome so be it. I be rather free then a slave to a fuckt up nation over the sea.
I am a euro, generation before me where euros and so will be generations after me, I dont give a fuck what a american wants. If i have to I will fight for Europa.

>That's not how money works, petrodollar is mostly a meme and not why the USD is the world reserve currency.

per troll dollar is Americas Achilles heel, that´s why trump wants all of it trade and petrol dollar. not gonna happen.

Ask Gaddafi about how much the petrol dollar is a meme. Ask Sadam.

>The Eu protects its nations interest.
>The EU protects German interests.

So it doe with French,, with Spain, with Italy and and and


again only america is pissed because it cant play Eu nation against each other.

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>>129402569
Fight for Europa? You're incredibly naive. Your "EU army" will be immediately flooded with imported Muslim refugees, who will immediately take over your military and impose a Sharia junta while your Davos spawn clap like trained seals. Good luck Fritz, you're fucked.

>>129402330
Trump changed his mind on NATO. And how is he not backing up article 5? Can you name a specific instance of a NATO country being attacked and Trump just shrugging?

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2017/05/trump-declines-to-affirm-natos-article-5/528129/

you claim one thing and we have this black on white.

>With NATO removed no there are no obligations.
>Since when is NATO removed?

look up on the link, NATO is Article 5

>Yeah, so instead of sucking America's dick for protection we have a powerful multi-national army of barely functioning militias that can barely understand each others orders. Just like Austria-Hungary!

Language is no problem as officers and at least 70% of soldiers understand English.

This is still a better solution as with time standardization will come and so increased effectiveness.

A army truly to prevent shit like Syria, like Americas bombing of north Africa.
Europa is our home, Europas borders are our borders and its upon us to keep them safe. Now we have america making everything worse and destabilizing foreign relations and worst of all engendering Eu citizens lifes.

It will be america causing a WW3 on EU soil with Russia not the EU and with no say in it.

A foreign hostile power is acting on our ground and deciding for us. This cant be forgiven.

>>129391739
> OP doesn't understand decentralization
> OP doesn't understand the problems that arise in monetary policy when you try to handle monetary policy through a supranational bank
> OP doesn't understand that in history centralized systems that try to expand across countries always fail (Romans, Persians, etc.)
> OP doesn't understand that the states of the US have more of a shared culture than the countries that are members in the EU
> OP doesn't understand that the EU passing supranational regulations is extremely anti-capitalist
> OP is illiterate as fuck and a representation of the failed education system in the US

>>129403255
fuck of ami schwein nobody asks you for your retarded opinion, you cant even keep your army´s numbers up.

https://apnews.com/7ac5bfab44fe4f9db639369b4c817951

>>129403678
a barley nation of 100 years claims to have more common history then whole of the Europa that satands over 2000 years.


ahahahahahahha i fucking cant aahahahahahaha

>>129403786
Triggered the schnitzel

Anger is evedence of cognitive dissonance, I've already blackpilled you

Enjoy your Sharia army

>>129403678
>roman empire fail
you try keeping together an empire for a millenium

>>129403959
thats 450 million suiciders , you wont stand a chance.

>>129404096
they should try to around the next 50 years.

>>129391739
EU is just another step for a Pax Judaica.

Look @ von Coudenhove-Kalergi

BIS (Bank of International Settlements) > National Banks > Governments > Miltary, Police > You, the cattle.

>>129404163
Yeah, suicide for Islam

Better start facing Mecca now and get used to it

Then again, you're used to losing

>>129404242
out of the ashes of the EU Rome shall rise again

>>129404360
so whats the difference to Italy being Italy or Italy being controlled by america?

nothing, no wait, in the EU you got at least something to say and you wont get fuckt and played by bigger nations like a fiddle.

>>129404429
You lost Korea
You lost Vietnam
You lost Iraq
You lost Somalia
You lost Syria
You lost Afghanistan
You lost the whole middle east

Thank you looser. Something we have at last in common.

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>>129398874
Having warheads in range of Russia is causing war with Russia?

Isn't the whole point of MAD is that we both have weapons pointed at each other ensuring mutually ensured destruction?

You know what's actually causing war? Europe's weakness.

Europe has been relying on the US military to protect them. If you were to actually invest in your own military (should be plural since a European superstate is something you don't want), so that Russia isn't looking at a bunch of helpless kittens they can steam roll.

Seriously, we're preventing Europe from being destroyed by Russia, and you come in and whine that we're flexing our military muscle?

Fuck you faggots, you're so useless, I hope Trump backs the US out of NATO so Putin can shove his dick down your throats. You're so useless and infantile, and complain about strength wherever you see it, and then act like you're entitled to our strength.

Fuck you, I hope Merkel collapses your nation with muslims.

>>129402569
>no as we would do the same and win as again we are the bigger nation with bigger reserves.
Doesn't matter as much since almost all other EU countries are running a trade deficit, trade barriers and a weak currency hurts mostly Germany.
Your industry did not magically become the best in Europe, it benefited from free trade and later the EU.
>per troll dollar is Americas Achilles heel, that´s why trump wants all of it trade and petrol dollar. not gonna happen.
>trump
>understanding money
As long as the US remains stable and has a strong economy it the USD will remain the reserve currency.
You are delusional to think the EU is a benevolent organization that represents all of Europe.

>>129396213
You are an uppity little frog bitch.

>>129404878
Look, I agree that you should build an Islamic military. USA always needs to sell more weapons, and the women you've placed in charge will spend money on any buzzcut with a PowerPoint. But when it's all fucked just remember my laughter echoing in your World War Loser skull

FIGHT FOR EUROPA BRO

>>129405082
>Isn't the whole point of MAD is that we both have weapons pointed at each other ensuring mutually ensured destruction?
If one side has a first strike capability it becomes much more dangerous.
See nukes in cuba and how you reacted, delivery time matters.

>>129405082
That was before you placed ThaaD directly at Russia border you maybe to young or ignorant to remember. Yes MAD means you can erase each other out so the balance of power is secured after what you did there is no balance of power.

What ever we do with Russia is non of your concern. I really hope too trump gets the fuck out of NATO.

America is danger to Europe and European civilians.

>>129405093

As long as the US remains stable and has a strong economy it the USD will remain the reserve currency.
>You are delusional to think the EU is a benevolent organization that represents all of Europe.
Your delusional in believing its not. And the Dollar gets weaker as the Euro is more worth and this Friday alone 100 billion dollars in stock was erased from american tech company's.

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>>129391739
Because it is a fucking existential threat to the continuation of my people.
At the very root of the EU is the pan-European utopian bs that Kalergi and his ilk pushed, whose explicit goal is the destruction of individual national identities of European peoples, and ultimately also their ethnic identities. I want none of that shit thank you very much. I don't want my people to be basically genocided via mass migration and miscegenation pushed by a bunch of utopistic cunts that actively want to erase my people from existence and render us just a part of some homogeneous, brown receless mass of rootless plebeians for them to lord over.
>inb4 being accused of being a thinfoil wearing conspiracy nutter.

Fucking look up Kalergi and his pan-Europeanism and the influence it had and still has on EU. Fucking Merkel was fucking awarded by an organisation built around the Kalergi plan.
https://www.bundeskanzlerin.de/ContentArchiv/DE/Archiv17/Artikel/2011/01/2011-01-13-merkel-europapreis.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_von_Coudenhove-Kalergi

>>129405325
>implying Europa would was even one euro on US equipment

AHAHAHAHAHAH

>>129405782
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Framework_Convention_for_the_Protection_of_National_Minorities

yeah sure and that why we have laws preventing this.

I really wish you would spend time investigating and informing your self before repeating bullshit some one else has vomited inside you.

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>>129405556
>What ever we do with Russia is non of your concern. I really hope too trump gets the fuck out of NATO.
You're not very smart are you? EU nations have no armies.

Enjoy becoming Russia's garden.

>>129405831
You'll buy what the US tells you to buy. Germans are pure authoritarian. You do as you're told -- if not by US, then by the Muslims. Whenever you get the slightest bit of power you fuck it all up EVERY. GODDAMN. TIME. This time will be no different. The only questions remaining are how expensive it will be for you.

>>129406092
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_European_Union

wrong we have no w fuck off with your red scare. Its not the 60 anymore.

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>>129406086
>you have to become a minority in your own country before the EU will protect you
Man, the EU is full of fucking idiotic cucks, isn't it?

>>129406161
sure in the meantime we have no one american tank ifv or rifle, ship or airplane.

You live in pure delusion thinking you got anything in control.


kek child.

>>129406271
>30% white

I laugh relay hard Tyrone.

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>>129406086
Why on earth should I fucking be Ok with my people becoming minorities in OUR FUCKING HOMELAND?
I will start killing these fucking invaders way before we Finns become a minority in Finland.

This is our fucking land, our home, our birthright. Non-Finns do not belong here.

>>129406302
Yeah we know you don't have a military

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>>129404639
>EU
Next Großdeutsches Reich. Every German's (multikulti or not) wet dream. I'm sick and tired of you Krauts.

Gröfaz was good, but he overdid it and failed.

>>129406177
Wow, it's fucking nothing.

>>129406302
Good luck finding enough muslims to bolster your ranks!

I'll bet that's why the EU wants more immigrants; their own people refuse to protect their nations! A bunch of pussies you are.

>>129406550
so much for america tells germany what to do.
kek

You dont even have your won staates under control.
http://www.yescalifornia.org/

>>129392990
He's already got a shitton of land, how more land does he possibly need?

>>129406665
Its enough to secure the Eu borders from american or any one else aggression.

>>129406914
no it's not, we should be actively working on world domination, just like the goddamn chinese and the goddamn muslims etc....

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>>129406914
I will never fucking fight for your causes you god damn Eurocrat Kraut.
I will fight only for my people, and I will fight to take Finland out of this disgusting, globalist union that wants to erase my people out of existence.
I would not spare a single hair from a Finnish head to save a million non-Finns.

The only Germans worth allying with marched under the banner of the Swastika.

>>129391739

Don't really give a shit. But basically, the EU wasn't created under that pretext, of willing statehood as we were. It was created through subversion. And so far several countries have had 'no' vote referendums when asked do we want the Lisbon Treaty (and it's autist variants).

I could give a shit about any of this. But when your Islamic racewar starts, I have no interest in sending our bodies to die for yours while you coast along under NATO.

>>129407031
yeah great become america, no thank you.

>>129406848
Russia has not even the population or military numbers to occupies and hold such vast territory yet alone !450 !million! Europeans.

That´s the most funny stuff about the red scare.
The Russia is evil and want to kill us all.

How and most importantly WHY?!

>>129406914
What secure borders? You invite the invaders in and give them free money. All the military spending in the world cannot save you from your own idiocy.

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>>129391739
>Need rational reasons
>Implying our reasons are irrational

Insecure Dunning-Kruger effect faggot has to frame reality

Do your own work.

http://www.libertarianright.org/reading/

>>129407115
T. subhman nazi that will be erased no matter what, your minority is not protected and will be hunted down like the animal they are.

>>129407301
Exactly. It's such a vast expanse of territory, for so many people and spreading his already scant resources so thin. How are we supposed to believe that Russia is so poor and terrible, yet funding so many massive hacking regimes across the globe in a desire for more land when Putin and Russia can barely handle what they already have? It doesn't fucking make sense however you spin the RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA narrative. They have absolutely nothing to gain from all this.

>>129407301
and what, you will lock yourself inside your "safe" Europe while Achmed rapes your family ?

youre seriously asking why a big group of the USA who oppose federalism and big government oppose the EU? are you fucking stupid?!?

>>129407336
its get the refugees in or fight for american Saudi interest and get cuckt in a american oil monopoly.

We got thou the Bosnian refugee crisis we will get thru this one and what ever will follow up next. I bet you warren ´d even alive, just a stain the sheet of your mother, back the at the time.

Refugees are just a side note in history, what stays forever is Independence!

>>129407301

Yeah, but that's the hilarious part. Your EU leaders hate Russia more than our guys do.

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>>129407433
>mfw recent study showed that a quarter of Finns would be ready to vote for all out "send all migrants back, close the fucking borders, get out of the EU party" and Jussi "One Man Holocaust" Halla-Aho got elected as the spokesman of the "far right" nationalist party that was the second biggest party in the last election.

The right rises in Finland, and there are countless of young men like me, who are basically "nazis" because in the age of the internet, and boards like this (Finnish equivalent is super fucking popular among Finnish men) a generation of men has grown that would fucking cheer to see you globalist kikes be gassed for fucking real.

You will not win. My people will be freed of this cancerous union, and anyone trying to stop us from reclaiming our soveriginity and purging our nation of foreigners and traitors will be put to death among the other enemies of our people.

Sieg Heil.

>>129407582

for you too

>>129407671

>>129407671
Nothing stays forever, and demographic replacement and foolish spending are robbing you of your birthright. But by all means, allow Merks to throw her prolapsed vagina around for a few minutes more. It's already over. I'll say this for the Germans -- nothing ever changes your minds.

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>>129407115
>I will fight only for my people, and I will fight to take Finland out of this disgusting, globalist union that wants to erase my people out of existence.

Pic related. Finnbro stronk. Eurokrauts are weak.

>>129407747
Proves?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russia%E2%80%93European_Union_relations

Yeah we hate each other so much that even a member ship is possible.

I wish you would have better relations with Russia so the shit show in east Europe would not take place.

>>129407671
There will be no independence when the EU becomes an autocratic super state.

You have many options, and every time you pick the wrong one. You let the foreigners in, you let unaccountable politicians rule you, and you overestimate your military power.

And then you suppose America is your enemy when they are the only thing standing between you and Russia.

Have the Germans lost their minds for a 3rd time? Or did they never have a mind to avoid this in the first place?

Well no worries, soon there will be no Germans to make such stupid decisions. There will be Germans in name only thanks to "diversity" enforced by EU.

>>129391739
>the right so damned afraid of the EU?
EU is a copy of the old soviet union.
A bunch of smaller states joined together, that with each passing year, gives more and more power to the central bureu.
Soviet Union accelerated its dictatorship after WW2, using USA and Japan Atomic Bomb as a threat they must all unite against. That's how they fearmongered in order to crush any resistance. (And the US had McCarthyism.)

Todays EU tries to use hatred vs Russians (and even Trump) to unite.
Todays EU tries to use "Open Borders" to distract people to look at their neighbors instead of watching the government.

It may take an additional 10-30 years, but eventually EU will be just as Soviet Union of old, with Globalist Bankers at the helm.

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>>129407942
I know.
We fought for the right side in WW2 and never fucking forgot that.
These eurocraut scum have no idea of the extend of our patriotism, and love of our own people and once our people realize what the true goal and nature of EU is, that patriotism will flare up in righteous rage.
I have every intent to tell every single person I discuss any topic even remotely related to the EU, about the inherent, genocidal nature of this union and how if we stick around in it, we will be erased out of existence.

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>>129391739
Because it's a supranational body of unelected (((career politicians))) and (((bankers))) that want to strip all european nations of their sovereignty and the citizenry of their rights. True it's merely European union now but that extra "soviet" part can be added as an affix at a moments notice. I must say i'm quite convinced that it will happen eventually considering the kind of progress that has been done and the people involved with it from the beginning.

>>129391739
Cause EU us US 2.0
Meaning it will be 54% white too.
I refuse that. Europe is my ancestreal home land, America is a gone

>>129408314
if their oligarchy was competent, I'd let them off but these fuckers can't even opress people properly

>>129407942
So

15,480,000 Germans would fight for Germany while on the finish side only 3,700,000 would fight for Finland?

that ´s pretty weak.

>>129408433
Holy shit I'm drunk , but you get my point

>>129406086
What is it with this recent wave of marxist german shills flooding this place, you're starting to turn into leafs in my mind.

>>129408161
and again

>>129407301

Why , why the fuck would Russia want anything form the EU when its you the USA placing nukes at there border. from Georgia to Mongolia to east Europe.

>>129408674
Active shilling from leftypol or shit like that I imagine.
Or maybe EU has some bullshit office somewhere where they hire autismal krauts to shitpost against anti-Eu sentiments on the internet.

>>129408674
No its just you being a retarded 17 year old idiot stumbling blindly thru life thinking you know everything.

I am the majority and I am the reason the Eu exist.

You just facing real facts against your mindless rambling.
Only because you on /Pol its not meaning your in echo chamber.

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>>129408676
Because the EU is America's lapdog.

If you can't take out the big guy, start with the henchmen.

Furthermore, they don't have to take all of Europe, just do another Crimea.

Anyway, that doesn't get into the fact you're being replaced by Achmed.

Russian interference may not be guaranteed, but if you do nothing, Germany and other European nations will be European no longer.

Your leaders are seeing to that, and your people oddly enough support it. They support their own destruction.

>>129391739
Because Germans, French or British are not by friends or brethren, they speak completely alien language to me and culturally and politically they are alien to me, Germans even want to force Middle Eastern people to move into my country through EU.

Only people I accept here are Swedish because we already have so large Swedish speaking minority it means absolutely nothing to me if few of them come here, I can't speak Swedish but it's ok. Estonians because they are brother nation despite being low wage workers who steal our jobs and benefits. And I like Russians because I had few very good Russian friends when I was younger, top people and they told me Russia is 50% shit people who can't be trusted. But that's were I stop giving a shit about other countries.

I can't be pro EU if I don't care about 95% of the people who live there. It's fine institution but needs to be dampened down so we won't have other people trying to dictate how many refugees certain countries take.

>>129409104
And with america gone there is nothing to get. We wont be targeted by ICMB´s as first strike target we wont have to see East Europe burn.

You pretty much said you self, they come because of you, not us.

Its time to go home.

>>129409061
>I am the majority and I am the reason the Eu exist.
And people like you are the reason Germany will fall to foreigners. All your culture and finances, all flushed down the toilet to be accommodating.

At least other EU nations had the balls to question this insanity, but you blindly went along. You orchestrate your own destruction. I hope Germany does not rise again. They have fucked things up not once, not twice, but thrice.

Three strikes, you're out!

In short, the EU is authoritarian. Why? Because the people whos responsibility is to add, change and remove laws and regulations are not elected. The European Parliament is elected, but they have absolutely no power and do not make any decision whatsoever. The European Comission however, although unelected by the people, is in charge of the law. These people cannot be held accountable by the people because they cannot be fired by the people. And don't take my word for it look it up. They really have close to to unlimited power over 500 million people. It truly is anti-democratic. It's not like consevatives are losing their shit over nothing.

>>129408496
What can 15 million Gemans do against the rest who let their country be invaded? Nothing at all.

What can 4 million Finns do against the rest of Finns? Everything.

>>129409360
There is nothing fine about the EU m8.
The very foundation of this disgusting union is built upon the utopian vision of pan-europeanism, that would see us Finns annihilated as our distinct ethnicity and all of our national soveriginity robbed away to a "neo aristocracy" formed by a bunch of actual fucking kikes.
Kalergi and his fucking disgusting pan-european dream is at the very heart of the EU.
>>129405782

>>129409639
Except the currency and central bank that has benefited us greatly with stability and low interests and the fact we won't ever need Nato. I know EU wouldn't do anything to protect us militarily, but if someone tries to annex EU territory they will make Ukraine sanctions look like a joke.

>>129409437
That isn't the only reason. They might also come for you since you are weak. Weakness encourages violence.

Anyway, as I said, Russia isn't even the main threat. What you should be worrying about is the authoritarian EU super state and immigrants ruling your countries.

But your content to let them suck you dry I suppose, just as long as big bad America isn't being a meanie near you? You're brainwashed, utterly brainwashed.

Go back to whatever cesspool of weak, leftist ideas you came from, the main threat is not from outside, but from within. You may be weak to external threats due to no military, but at the moment, you have more immediate and apparent problems to deal with.

>>129409482
Then we make sure not to loose. and if worse come to worse we take you with us King Gorge III.

>>129391739
Run by big business, strangles smal business and is basically the fourth reich through economics and diplomacy. My countries ancestors didn't lose so many people and an empire to be ruled by Germany

>>129410181
Well my ancestors

>>129409995
Those are all tools intended to slowly incorporate us into a single entity that can be governed by the neo aristocracy. The short term benefits of the EU won't make up for the eventual destruction of our people this union would see happen.

>>129410016
you projecting rally hard here. We are not the US.
The Eu in its current state now field by far to many troops. As said again they are after you not us.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/327107-trump-signs-internet-privacy-repeal

you are by far more authoritarian then the EU ever gets.

>>129409061
Not an argument.
Public opinion can turn quickly Isaac von shekelburg. People will wake up to the truth in time.

>>129410181
No?

>>129410016
This is true. Russia is Italy tier economy. They can have their two petty conflicts going on at once. Against Ukraine who doesen't even fight back 100% out of fear and against Syrian terrorists that are helpless alone, but when America backs them Russia gets afraid.

Russia can't annex any European country that fights back fully and is backed by rest of the Europe. If they tried they'd neglect their own citizens' wellbeing completely.

Middle Eastern people are just invited here and nobody cares. Most European countries will ruin themselves with this, only eastern Europe will be free of it.

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>>129410479
You are blind.

When Trump's 4 years are over, that will be the end of it.

When the EU's oh wait, you have no ability to elect other people. EU is not accountable. Trump is.

You are full of shit, and so is your bureaucratic nightmare. Honestly starting to think the muslims can run things better than you empty-headed continentalists with your heavy, overbearing top-down systems with 0 checks and balances.

Don't come crying to us when your home is taken from you and given to Achmed.

>>129411047
It's funny that of all the European states to survive, it will be the economically weak Eastern European states.

Just goes to show you how important national pride is for a nation to survive. Something Germans apparently lost 60 years ago.

>>129408496
That's like 40% of Finns m8

>>129411743
All of Europe will survive. Some will just look brown like America while others keep their identity.

>>129412008
Europe is European. If it isn't European, it isn't Europe any longer.

And while obviously there won't be any actual states collapsing, EU states that allow themselves to be taken up by the swarm will be severely weakened.

They will be a shadow of themselves, both in strength and color.

>>129412371
They as a countries will just look the same as worst towns of France, Germany and Britain. Total multicultural shitholes, but they will all speak the same language and pay their taxes.
Turk Germany speaking German is still more of a Germany than American Germany speaking English technically.

Of course nobody will want to live there and then the clean countries will have to keep their borders even more shut than usual. I have a feeling future will be real shitty time.

>>129407671
> We got thou the Bosnian refugee crisis

lol. The kind and numbers you had to deal with back then are nothing like what you're facing now.

This is like saying you can deal with a tiger because you fought off a housecat once.

Ok fuck off pll out of all u nationalities I'm only one who can talk about anti eu sentiment ur all dictated to by Germany

Europe is always at war and we sacrifice our best men for all of their shitty policies so they don't destroy each other. This time following WW2 has been the longest era of peace in their history. Basically, they're the relative who has both a drug habit, falls for pyramid schemes and has some really adorable illegitmate kids that you're afraid they'll screw up so you send them money and bail them out of jail just to do the same shit all over again.

>>129403950
What the fuck? Are you autistic? It is because Europe has existed for so long that there are longlasting cultures that differ from one another. In one part of Europe you have the descendants of Vikings and in another you have the descendants of Greeks and the Romans. Are you seriously that retarded?

>>129405758
>Your delusional in believing its not. And the Dollar gets weaker as the Euro is more worth
The worth of a currency has little to do with its stability.
>and this Friday alone 100 billion dollars in stock was erased from american tech company's.
How is this related to anything?

Because it's made up of power hungry authoritarian bureaucrats who don't represent Europe but only represent themselves

EU =\= Europe

>>129404096
That is not a knock on Rome. All empires fall eventually. What matters is what causes it. For Rome's case, a debased currency, rising degeneracy, rampant corruption, and hordes of violent "immigrants" did a number to them.

>>129391739
You should be. We subvertly had the federal EU forced upon on us. The leaders of this federal goverment are not elected and are unaccountable. This means they indulge their globalist and egocentric ambitions and have nothing but contempt for the people of europe. It's basically the soviet union in terms of true liberty erasing the culture and identity of the nations of europe and the wealth of this culture with belongs to the native people. Seriously you don't realise how important above everything else personal liberty is until you have it threatened. The US is unique in this regard and Reagan was right, it's the last stand so I hope you apppriciate it and defend your liberty.

Sovereignty.

>>129393613
hey I recognize some of these words from civ5

The ((EU)) is an attempt to Federlize Europe. Problem is thats not possible. It's part of why they are pushing demographic replacement so hard. SJWs and rednecks have more in common the Germans and French.
The plan is
>replace Europeans with arabs
>use the SJW Indoctrination methods to push a major reform of Islam secularizing it (that will never work)
>Federlize into the United Arab states of europe
>in the Americas Hillary was supposed to be doing the same
>at some point there would be a merger between the Arab Europe and Arab americas
>communist Arab NWO achieved

>>129412371
>EU states

>>129415719
That sure is a big problem!
You can only save Europe if you're well rested! Take a rest :)
A nap should do it.