Do ant colonies prove that communism can work?

So Communist are insect? We already knew that.

>>129340402
Ant colonies don't practice communism.

p sure alot o resources go to one ant. The queen, so this is a retarded thread

>>129340402
>communism
>have a queen

Really makes you think

>>129340402
It certanly works for creatures with brain of an ant.

>>129340402
So communists are mindless drones?

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>society is literally all blacks

>>129340724
we call it the queen but in the ant world she is more like a sex slave/baby machine - they kill her as soon as she can no longer breed

There are Jewish ants?

humans are social animals too. it's just happened that there are big nose-parasites exists among us, who don't contribute to society and don't work, but appropriate the means of production and products of other humans work.
the sooner we get rid of them, the better

>>129340965
How does control in an ant society even work. Is it all just pheromones or something? Does the queen release a pheromone when she can't breed that says "Hey, kill me and replace me"

>>129340402
Nope 20% of ants are lazy
http://www.eoht.info/page/Lazy+ant+study

>>129341305
Yes insects have a smell based language instead of sound.

I

It suggests that an entire society if mindless drones can support something akin to communism.

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>>129340402
antniggers BTFO
stop bee genocide

>>129340402
It's a monarchy.

>>129340594
they practice monarchy they have kweens and shieet. how dumb commies are?

>>129340402
Ant colonies are not practicing any political system.

They are insects and they don't know what is going on. They respond to stimuli and are controlled by chemicals. This is irrelevant to human society.

>>129342082
>they don't know what is going on. They respond to stimuli and are controlled by chemicals.
sounds like typical americans to me

>>129342082
How are humans different? It's genetic determinism for us too.

>>129340402
>working class is sterilized and expendable
Yeah, that seems about right.

>communism can work if the state makes the people
good job figuring that out, now you just need a clone factory

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>>129340402
no because
dey wuz Queens n shiet

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>>129340402
What is this, a political ideology for ants?

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>>129340402

Should I get an ant farm lads? Seems like a cool idea.

>>129340402

Ants have yet to form an industrialized society. Ants are more like a family. They prove tribalism works.

>>129343393
Nothing gets pussies wetter than an ant farm m8

>>129341256
THIS.

Ants all work, they all contribute.

While THIS is true ...
>>129340886
... they could learn a thing or two from our six-legged friends.

>>129340402
Yes, for ants.

>>129343570
>Ants all work, they all contribute.
False, see >>129343222

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>>129343552
I'll get an ant farm and put it on my tinder

>>129343222
pareto principle strikes again

>>129343442
>Implying communist society gives a shit about industrialization

Once the needs of all are met, what motivation is there to develop new means-of-production and new industry?

Marxist critiques of capitalism, if true, can at least be remedied (e.g. promoting upward mobility).

But how can socialism ever drive industry?

>>129340402
infact a good parts of ants dont work and just wait the gibs

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3148741/Ants-spongers-Lazy-insects-colonies-spend-half-time-inactive-work-them.html
even insects have their nig nogs

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>>129343750
Get one with clear-gel dirt so you can light it up with leds, pic related

>>129343957
Is that actually yours or just from google? Because if it's yours I have questions. How much is it usually? How secure are the containers? How much does it cost to maintain?

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>>129340965
that's how monarchy worked here

dumb austrian cunt

>>129340402
>ants

only proves liberal policies don't scale

>>129344056
The cost on differnt kits ranges, you can make your own, they're pretty cheap to buy, depending on the size

Containers are secure, they're just acrylic plastic, not much needed to contain some ants.

Cost to maintain virtually none. The ants just eat the gel, its the same stuff they used went they sent ants to space, it's a self contained unit, they eat and live on the gel dirt, cost and maintaince really low / basically none

>>129343641
>muh specious argument

You say 80% of ants are idle.

But not all work is "moving stuff back and forth." I'm sure the actual number of "idle" ants is far less.

Animals act by instinct, but they will always act.

Human beings have free will, and thus they are the only animal that can set aside natural instinct and be truly "idle" or lazy.

>>129344287
>You say 80% of ants are idle.
lrn2reading comprehension

20% are idle, 80% are busy

>>129344267
What about like, oxygen? Does it not have oxygen holes or some shit?

>>129340965
You leftists also call marriage slavery. You hate nature and order because it's fascist and you are weak

>>129344287
Oops, thanks for strengthening my argument.

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>>129340402
definitely
>pic related

>>129344434
Yes, it has a small opening that you add a filter on so air exchange can happen

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It's a feminist matriarchal paradise anon, not communism.
Queen is a breeder, all workers and soldiers are sterile females. Males live long enough to knock a bitch up.

This is what every feminist wants, a world where males are used as sperm donors, all other women are sterile and they sit at the top. If feminism ever progresses far enough this is what will happen.

>>129344573
Alright sorry to bombard you with questions, final one: Where do you even get them? Do they... like come with a queen or something? I was looking at pictures and I couldn't really spot a queen but assuming it's just like a normal colony with eggs and shit.

>>129344665
you can buy the kits on amazon, ebay, walmart etc. They're literally meant for like kids aged 7 - 12

You can just grab a bunch of ants outside, or buy them online easy, search: buy ants canada

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>>129340402
>unironic reference to ant colony/communism while donating protoplasm to public message board

>>129343222
>20% of ants are welfare nig gib ants
Hmm, didn't know the Jews in the Frankfurt School have enriched the ant kingdoms too

>>129344847
Wait what. If I steal a bunch of ants and place them somewhere else they will make a new nest with a new queen? Fucking ants man.
>literally meant for kids aged 7-12

H-heh

>>129340724
Not only do they have a queen, they often have complex hierarchical systems which result in different classes within a colony.

Ants have many different roles. Some remove waste, some farm spores and aphids, some dig or repair tunnels, some protect, some hunt, some go on reconnaissance etc.

All ants are not equal.

Not to mention they will go to war with other colonies, especially those that are different to their own.

>>129340402
Proves they work for ants.

>>129342556
this.

More specifically: worker ants cannot reproduce so evolution doesn't push them to be selfish.

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Phase IV activated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZJHKnG__pI

Why didn't nature gave us a way to cooperate and govern ourselves like ants ?

Is the future of man a breed of people that agree on ideology and how they should govern themselves ?

Could it be that ideologies are natures attempts at further natural selection in human specie ? That the winning ideology will result in a breed of men that accept it automatically/unconsciously like ants are ruled and obey ?

I mean, lots of ideologies would require everybody to think the same way so it works. Maybe politics is just a thing of current humanity and will no longer be relevant once one ideology has definitely one and everybody thinks its the best. For example communism, it requires purges of dissidence so it could end up in the anarchist utopia of communism, with people self governing with no form of centralized power, just by natural, instinctive collaboration like ants.

Is politics a way for nature to further evolution of the specie ? By politics I mean big ideological axis, not reforms/laws or other negligible things.

You have 2 hours.

>>129340402
The success of the colony is genetic success for all the ants, even the ones who die. This is not true of humans who have separate genetic interests.

>>129343222
So basically we are forever bound to the Pareto Principle, aren't we?

>>129340402
Ants are a capitalist system bro

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>>129340402
-Millions of ants working for the ruling class (queen)

-Queen gets to live off the work of millions until she dies

You sounds like communism

>>129340402
>see ant hill
>peel off my blister's skin
>put it outside the colony
>see antbros enjoy my gift
i am their ant-god

>>129340574
too big of a step up in the ladder

>>129340402
>blacks
>hard workers

say what?

>>129341305
Ants, bees, etc work on basic input output to stimuli. They respond to certain stimuli with pheromones that in turn recruit their sisters for that task, making the recruit pheromone stronger; as the work finishes and the individual is no longer required, they stop producing the pheromone and do whatever is needed more. You can see bees grouping like this; they all stick their abdomens in the air to fan a "gather" pheromone (Nasanov pheromone). Say two bees are doing it in different locations. One bee randomly picks one of the gather locations and begins fanning Nasanov as well. The next bee smells the command twice as strong from that direction, and goes there. If the groups are larger, you may have 4 bees here gathering and 8 bees somewhere else, and the 4 join the 8.

It's basically a p2p command structure. No one is in charge and no one understands how the whole thing works top to bottom, but every unit has a few hundred or thousand CONDITION -> RESPONSE rules where RESPONSE creates a CONDITION. It's fucking beautiful, I sit by my hives and watch them for hours.

Also here's an interesting RadioLab with an ant specialist discussing the traits in ants, and that also apparently humans kind of do this stuff:
http://www.radiolab.org/story/91500-emergence/

>>129347595
That is fucking awesome, thanks for the info anon. The reason I was kind of surprised is because if say, you flick an ant, they will survive the flick but lose their trail and panic. They start wandering aimlessly in double time. I guess it's different if you do this to a bunch of ants though.

>>129340402

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v394/n6693/full/394573a0.html

Ants are racist, faggot.
Also there's like 20% of ants that just sit around

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>>129340402
How about
>Do parasites prove that communism can work?

>>129345668
Beekeeper here.

Haploid reproduction strategy; I'll discuss bees here but ants are closely related. Each drone (male) has half a set of chromosomes and millions of genetically identical sperm. Queens go on mating flights and mate with a number of drones (who die on mating, their dick torn out like a female bee's stinger). The drones are basically a dick extension of the queen.

So, queen lays eggs which like all animal's unfertilized eggs are half a set of her chromosones. Left unfertilized it becomes a mindless male designed to breed with another queen, but generally a fertilized queen drops a stored sperm on the egg as she lays it, creating a genetically complete female. Because the sperm from a single father are completely genetically identical, the sisters of that father share 75% of their genes (whereas in most animals like us, it's 50% from mum and 50% from pop). They're actually more related to their sisters than to the queen that birthed them. They're more related than most animal species. They work for the good of the collective and not themselves, but as they do not breed they don't need to be concerned with individual genetics. Their genes will be passed on when one of their sisters is turned into a virgin queen who takes over the hive (old queen leaves and takes half the workers, it's how the superorganism of the colony reproduces).

If humans weren't so caught up in having to reproduce/mate/form relationships for pairbonding and are all super genetically close, we would be more altruistic too. Obviously the solution is centralized breeding facilities using advanced machines that select for the best genes, with prepubescent sterilization of the population so we focus on work and not waste time with breeding instincts.

>>129347911
The RadioLab podcast goes into detail on how their trails work, it's basically math+chemistry+rules=hivemind.

They prove that communism is essentially a female/ cuckold system.

It is better to live a day like a lion, eating pussies, than a entire lifetime as an ant.

Also:
>2017
>respecting a Ant Queen
>not having all the sex you deserve
Not sure if I blame cuck male ants or the nature because they probably dont have as much semen seed as we have.

>>129348477
Very very interesting, thanks a lot. Any good reading about this you'd know about perhaps ?

>>129340402

No, doing unfulfilling work like an ant can only make humans depressed, your entire workforce would sooner commit suicide than attend the bread line.

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I drive bus.

>>129345242
They need eggs to make a new queen, what you'd do is buy a queen with some ants to help get started.

With bees you can split existing beehive, the queenless ones will make a queen from an egg or without an egg start freaking out (eventually workers lay if you let it go too long and the colony is fucked). You do this if you buy a good queen and need to introduce her to a hive.


Oh /pol/, how you'd love the analogy of the Africanized honeybee, the race of bee that has faster flying drones to outrace European drones to breed with European queens. "Killer bee" talk is media overhyped but they are extremely violent compared to other honeybees. That's because in Africa they didn't keep bees proper (besides Kenya), they would instead just smash-n-grab beehives for honey. Thousands of years of that and bees in Africa evolved to have 6 times the number of bees on guard duty and a much larger aggro/chase range.

Currently they are racemixing with European bees and it's kind of chilling their genetics out, there are programs to eugenics a bee that has the best of African and European genes. AHB produce more honey and survive more disease, Euro bees are passive and easy to work.

>>129344641
Isn't that how our society works already?

>>129349175
Hol up anon

Can I as a civilian man grow bees or do I have to have like a bee license? Is it hard? Is it realistic? Can I look inside at the bees?

>>129340402
>ant colonies
>communist
literally is an absolutist feudal matriarchal monarchy you fucking idiot, all the colony works for on the behalf of the QUEEN
LITERALLY yass queen slay

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>>129341043
Hello (((my fellow ant insects)))

>>129342219
t. yuri bezemov

>>129340402
In a homogeneous society yes.

>>129349634
dont you mean yuri beezemov?

>>129349037
Oh there are so many tons of good sites about honeybees. Most fun one I can suggest, if you like Lovecraft, is the book by the guy who basically invented the "stacking white boxes with movable frames" modern beehive. I mention Lovecraft because it's got that quaint 1850-scientific style of writing, including shittalking his contemporaries in the apiarist community. Just replace the cosmic horror with "God made bees to serve man b/c God is perfect" because dude was a pastor but it's a fascinating read.

http://www.thebeeyard.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/The.Hive_.And_.The_.Honey_.Bee_.Langstroth.1853.pdf


Some of the info is out of date of course, we've learned more since then. Tons of blogs and sites with modern bee data, here's a random one:
https://www.perfectbee.com/learn-about-bees/the-science-of-bees/honey-bees-reproduce/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xD62suykD6o
http://scientificbeekeeping.com/ is an excellent site but for the non-beekeeper it can get very technical in some spots.

Only physical book I have is The Beekeeper's Handbook. I've been reading a shortish PDF called At The Hive Entrance recently; it explains the different actions you can observe from outside your hive, to get a vibe of what's going on inside it.

>>129349355
1) Yes, in my US State you do need a license but it's just 10 bucks (more like a registration). I look at my bees daily.
2) It takes knowledge but it's very realistic, look into Michael Bush, I think he's one of the best beekeepers in terms of techniques and strategy and he's a cannuk.

I am going to livestream some beekeeping later today, there's a /beekeeping general/ on /an/.

>>129349861
Thanks, beebro.

>>129349583
>Wasmannian Mimicry is when the mimic resembles it's host (the model) in order to live within the same nest or structure. For example, several jumping spiders closely resemble ants. In order to get "lost in the crowd" and thus avoid predators.

>>129347023
t. alberto "weird al" barbossa

>>129340664
>implying a lot of resources dont go to the communist party heads and party elites in communism

Richard Dawkins provides several examples of how cunning parasites can be, and how easy it is to be fooled. The sophistication of some ant species makes the cuckoo look like a novice. He describes a parasitic ant which invades a neighbouring colony, seeks out its queen, climbs on top of it and methodically gnaws off its head. Having usurped the position at the top of this social hierarchy, the alien queen produces eggs which are tended by the invaded colonies’ workers, and new queens then go off to invade other colonies.

Even this strategy has been improved upon by another ant species. To quote The Selfish Gene, p. 252 (Dawkins is here referring to the founder of sociobiology, Edward Wilson):

‘But sawing off heads is a bit of a chore. Parasites are not accustomed to exerting themselves if they can coerce a stand-in. My favourite character in Wilson’s The Insect Societies is Monomorium santschii. This species, over evolutionary time, has lost its worker caste altogether. The host workers do everything for their parasites, even the most terrible task of all. At the behest of the invading parasite queen, they actually perform the deed of murdering their own mother. The usurper doesn’t need to use her jaws. She uses mind-control. How she does it is a mystery; she probably employs a chemical, for ant nervous systems are generally highly attuned to them. If her weapon is indeed chemical, then it is as insidious a drug as any known to science. For think what it accomplishes. It floods the brain of the worker ant, grabs the reins of her muscles, woos her from deeply ingrained duties and turns her against her own mother. For ants, matricide is an act of special genetic madness and formidable indeed must be the drug that drives them to it. In the world of the extended phenotype, ask not how an animal’s behaviour benefits its genes; ask instead whose genes it is benefiting.’

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>>129342082
>They respond to stimuli and are controlled by chemicals.
Sounds like television and coffee to me.

>>129350022
Will you post your steam there? I will definitely keep an eye on an

>>129350298


Jews employ the same strategy as Monomorium santchii by their control of the media. For the facts about the enormous Jewish influence in television, films, newspaper publishing etc. in America see the National Vanguard publication Who Rules America?, in Britain the BNP publication The Mind-Benders.

Using this control they define fashions and promote mores which derogate those who seek to preserve Occidental culture. The policy, specifically, is to stigmatize potential or actual leaders (of thought or action) and manipulate others to attack them.

>>129349767
fun fact: i am the sole reason why wild bees have been progressively dying out for the past couple decades
fuck the queen bee and fuck stingerniggers

Loss of Jewish Worker Caste

Note that the Jews lost their peasantry (worker caste) around 1,000 AD. This is documented by Shahak in Jewish History, Jewish Religion, pp. 52-53 and is clearly evident today. Shahak is unable to explain how this change in Jewish social structure came about, but it is hypothesized that the evolution of the following traits is involved:

Love of being above someone (e.g. gloating);
Abhorrence of being looked down upon.

Jews appear to be capable of getting themselves appointed to government positions, elected onto academic editorial committees etc., without any formal role or qualifications.

Is it pure coincidence that the most vocal opponents of sociobiology – Richard Lewontin, Stephen Gould, Steven Rose and Leon Kamin – were Jews? Thomas Jackson reviewing Defenders of the Truth in American Renaissance 11/9 (Sept. 2000).

>>129350458
Yup, will go on in an hour and a halfish if all goes as planned, gotta pick up a friend cuz I need a spare set of hands.

One hive is superceduring their queen right now and I want to see if this other hive is queenright, as I suspect they are not. If they aren't, I'll transfer the queen cells from the superceduring hive, and if I have enough bees do a split into a new spare hive as well.

Gonna have fun, gonna get stung~

>>129340402
If by "work" you mean supplying an opulent life for a chosen few consisting of nothing but massive eating and fucking while the vast majority of the populace slave away and die never having lived a happy day in their life?

Yes.

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>>129349583
>think you're getting covered in ants
>notice its actually ant spiders
JUST