Well?

I dont see anything wrong???

>>129309097
>wah noone should be allowed to earn more than me gommunism now wah

are you retarded?

>>129309097
We will all be millionaires soon and they deserve that money because they made it wholly on their own.

Also, 'murica.

>>129309097
I use to think this was bad until I read Thomas Sowell and his thoughts on greed and high salaries. I can try to find a video where he talks about it a little if you want but I am on mobile right now.

>>129309097
> being rich is evil

When will this meme end

>>129309097

The 354 number has been debunked so many times...

Average CEO in the U.S. makes less than a dentist.

>>129309097
Incorrect stats, and also
>It's not fair that people make more than my useless NEET ass

>>129309385
>they made it wholly on their own
best joke

>>129309263
>earn
someone doesn't know what words mean!

Source?

Whoo boy. Lotta deluded wagecucks in here today. Also you asked a question and the answer, as always, is Jews.

>>129309479
being rich is not bad. exploitation is bad.

>higher ranked people have higher pay

woah

>>129309756
>less than a dentist

https://www.glassdoor.com/research/ceo-pay-ratio/

>>129310107
>exploitation
AKA "being rich" in commie-speak.

>>129309097
Everything is bigger in the US

Including the STEAKS

haha get it?

because CEOs take more risk than a burger flipper?

So.. a bunch of shitty low revenue corporations in those countries and the US has tons of multi national billion dollar coorporations whos CEOs make millions.. yeah thats gonna skew it, but i wouldn't want it any other way.

>>129310387
>muh risk fetishism
Actually, they don't. It's because boards keep ratifying above-average compensation so their feefees don't get hurt.

Protip:

all of these countries combined still dont have the same population as the USA.

The USA also has the largest capital and one of/if not the largest productivity rate on the planet.

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>>129310525
You're a dumbass if you honestly think there's no difference in the risk.

What's your motive here commie?

>>129310561
Only because they've been jewing the employees out of their share for the past 45 years.

>>129309097
YASSSSS

>>129310651
Risk? Whose risk? The owners have very limited rights to complain.
I'm sorry, am I interrupting your cum-guzzling train with the Koch family?

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>>129310763
You failed to answer my question.

What's your endgame you stinky commie?

Freer the market, freer the people. Wageslaves can get fucked.

>>129309097
Is your question why we win at everything?

>>129310688

lol compared to who? I live in a province where over half of your wage goes to the government via taxes...And have the balls to call themselves anything but communists.

That's because Americans are retarded and accept jobs with 60 hours worth of work and 40 hours of pay.

>>129310815
Go read some real economics you pathetic little choirboy and come back when your anus stops bleeding all over the place.
http://archive.is/Fkeb3

>>129309097
you are rewarded more for being at the top

quit fucking whining faggot

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>>129310998
So I assume you don't intend to answer my question you filthy commie?

>>129311023
Don't you have some priests to suck off?

>>129311051
I told you to drink bleach you cocksucking nigger.

>>129310975
>60 hours worth of work and 40 hours of pay.
There is no objective "fair" pay rate. It's a meme.

>>129309450
>Thomas Sowell
You realize that economics today are entirely different from when Sowell was born in 1930, right?

I want it 50000 to 1

end public school

women infitly overpaid, most work welfare jobs

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>>129311023
354 times more.Quit being an extreme mongoloid will ya?

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>>129311089
Is that your endgame, commie?

Depopulation?

>>129310387
>risk
if the ceo is sick and calls in is he fired? Is he living paycheck to paychek?

because brits are retarded and accept jobs with 40 hours worth of work and 20 hours of pay.

>>129311141
I don't have one, abo. I don't need one.

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>>129311167
You just made the argument that those at the bottom are extremely replaceable while those at the top are not. Good job.

>>129311089
it must hurt a "totally not a leftist SJW shill" like you to even type out the word nigger

>>129310279
absolutely no. read this article about what exploitation really is https://socialistworker.org/2011/09/28/what-do-we-mean-exploitation

>>129311167
>Is he living paycheck to paychek?
No, because he is more intelligent and makes better choices than the wageslaves.

>>129311285
>socialist worker
>literally has socialist in the name

oh boy, I bet this is super unbiased

>>129311167
I'm pretty sure you can sue for that.

>>129311177
WELFARE STATE YALLLL

>>129311167
He'll most likely go into work sick anyways, if he's in that position he's obviously a hard worker.

>>129309097
>pimple face burger flippers working 10 hours a week deserve the same as CEOs who run billion dollar companies and work 24/7

Liberals need to be gassed

>>129309097
Per capita GDP over 50K in a country with over 300MM people. I'd say US CEOs are doing an excellent job. Yeah, most are egomaniacal sociopaths, but that's what it takes to drive the global economy. Once you accept that, you can start making personal progress on your ratio.

cut gov spend 99%
cancel welfare and pensinos

If you think you'd be just as good of a CEO offer to make the job for just 353 times of the amount of a burgerflipper. Every profit oriented business will hire you instantly.

itt: bootlickers

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>>129311282
>>129311282

>>129311170

>Too dumb to even quote.

I can live comfortably on 50k GBP a year between my wife and I. Americans would be balking at the idea of that amount.

You work to death and still can't afford a good life.

>>129309097
Interestingly, Poland has one of the smallest Jewish populations in the west.

>>129309097
Cream of the crop comes over here dumbass. Not a huge fan of Elon Musk but the fact remains he didn't go to Poland to get shit done.

>>129309097
How many people does each ceo have working under them?

ITT: temporarily befuddled billionaires

>>129311840
IKEA came over here because the US labor force is just that cucked.

>>129310003

>someone voluntarily gives you money, not out of the kindness of their heart, but because they see value in paying you to do something

That's what earning money is. That's what CEO's get.

>>129310195
why are you so dumb?

>>129309097
If the CEO makes at least 300 some jobs through his actions why isn't he compensated like the people working 300 jobs.

>>129311930
Who defines "earn", cuck? Earning is a social decision, not a private transaction.

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>>129309097
>what is Microsoft, Apple, Wal-Mart, McDonald's, everything you dumb fuck

Bill Gates couldn't stop making money if he tried. A lot of these CEOs rake millions in on interest alone. The beast cannot be stopped and if you make yourself applicable, relevant, and indispensable, you can easily make a living wage in USA. Not necessarily a lavish wage 4u but one proportionate to your with nigger. Even if you go full Marxist and seize the means of production, you still have to work to benefit. I think some faggets forget that

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>>129310003
hehe xD ya man noobody making more than minimal wage earnt there cash xD

>mfw muricans spend all their money on big macs and fidget spinners and wonder why they aren't successful

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>>129309097
>all these countries make more money than Poortugal
>besides Poorland of course

>>129311689
>oh shit, they realise im a shill
>wait a minute, I'll just say HE is the one being a shill
>its perfect

literally "no u"

itt: intimate servants of the rich and famous

>>129311955
because people cooking fries dont deserve the same pay as people running billion dollar international companies

>>129312059
It is if they fucking agreed to it.

>>129309097
I don't understand why this is bad. Are people this jealous? The us is the most developed nation and its people enjoy one the highest standards of living. What's to whinge about?

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>defending ultimate jewery and big business monopoly in the name of "free market"
Amurrilards are really this dumb

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>>129309097
a symptom of a sick nation

>>129309097
I'm sure $28 is a lot of money in Poland.

>>129312335
Actually, no. You receive money in a consensual transaction. Tell yourself whatever little self-esteem stories make you feel better, but it is society and not you that decides whether you have earned it.

>>129311100
Oh really? How so?

>>129312289
Do these ratios only include famous CEOs? I bet you could name 10 that sqew the numbers off the top of your head. famous has nothing to do with it... except for Elon.

>>129311715
50k good boy points is enough to live comfortably for years here, and investing in some dank memes wisely would allow you to sustain yourself for all eternity

>>129310218
>companies in the S&P 500
>average CEO
pretty sure these are different things

If you know how to make money you become fiscally valuable, and get paid well. A good CEO is worth it, they can grow your company exponentially or, if they're terrible, can run the company into the ground. If the business does well, all employees benefit and can create more jobs.

>>129312575
It's not my snippet. Ask the OP.
>>129312693
There really is little to no performance difference. That's all mythology.

>>129312401
In my experience the vast majority of people that are assmad poorcucks are either developmentally retarded or such unlikeable anti-social losers they don't know anyone. Since he can spell and use the internet OP could literally go get drunk, wreck his car, do month in jail and with the contacts he makes in there have an $18/hr job lined the week he gets out.

Almost every person that's poor here is their own fault then they get asshurt we don't coddle their ass like some European states.

>>129309097
SHUT UP AND GET TO WORK GOYIM MY NEW YACHT ISNT GOING TO PAY FOR ITSELF NOW YA KNOW

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>>129312516

>>129312711

Terrible CEO's usually get several million dollar "golden parachutes" when they're sent packing. It might be rough on their reputation, but that lessens the blow.

>>129312417
You understand an American in "poverty" lives like a king compared to most people in poverty on that list right?

>>129312516
>it is if they fucking agreed to it
>You receive money in a consensual transaction.

Are you retarded? You seeking employment and AGREEING TO YOUR WAGE is a CONSENSUAL TRANSACTION. Are you saying that you should earn money based on what you THINK you should own? That's about the same as saying "I want free stuff and I want it now!"

You must be a NEET who gets angsty at the fact that people hate your miserable ass cause you steal their hard earned tax money to fund your supposed """Autism"""

>>129312734
You're citing the most successful companies in the world and claiming they are representative of all companies? That doesn't make sense even without outside data.

in any case, this claims that it's less than 5 to 1, using actual BLS data
https://www.aei.org/publication/new-bls-data-show-that-for-all-chief-executives-the-average-ceo-to-average-worker-pay-ratio-is-less-than-5-to-1/

If you knew how demanding, tiresome and high stress CEO positions are compared to your low-stress, low-effort, set schedule job you'd quit your whining.

Any person who's stuck working low end jobs all their life simply lack the skills and IQ required to be a CEO or otherwise high stress demanding job.

I wish my father had not aspired to climb to the top of the business ladder and instead spent more time with our family and me. All I knew about him for years was that he woke up at 6AM to go to work and got home at 10PM, would eat dinner and go to sleep. On weekends always stuck to the phone and computer, always doing something. Sure he earned lots of money, but the jobs were too demanding.
That's why I myself chose not to try and climb up too much, I don't want to be tied to my job 24/7 365 days of the year. Always busy. No thanks.

>>129309097

>Wtf are we and Poland even doing there?

Its actually worse because we sure as hell dont have "Google" or "microsoft". Hell, not even a car industry!

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>>129313064
You understand what "oecd standard" is right?

>>129313240

Also..

>greed fucks who dont believe in meritocracy and never fucking invest as long as they have their income

The mother fuckers.

>>129313104
Are you cucked? Do you understand knock-on effects at all?
>flag checks out
>CONSENSUAL TRANSACTION
With whom? I own shares in this piece of shit and I did not authorize the board to dilute my fucking position.
There is literally no difference between you demanding that people recognize the character of your exchange as "earning" and fucking trannies making up new genders for xerselves.

>>129313174
They choose to do that because they have an addiction problem. I don't see why they should be paid for having an addiction problem.
>skills
>IQ
Doesn't sound like the intelligent choice is sucking up to the top of the ladder. If nobody made that choice, we'd all be better off.

>>129309097
Portugal has like 10 people that can actually call themselves CEO's, but sure

>>129312462
>if you don't give the rich more money
How much money have you given them so far?

Wage isn't based on how hard you work, it's based on how much value you add, plus labor market conditions. The reason the US has the highest ratio is because we have a lot of successful companies with high stakes decisions.

additionally, according to this >>129313117, it isn't even 5:1.

If a CEO makes $1 billion worth of decisions per year, and you find someone that can make the right ones, it makes sense to pay him at least $500 million, if they were all binary decisions, even if making the decisions doesn't take much effort for him.

as for severance packages (>>129312992) those are often times either negotiated in the employee contract, or are in exchange for not filing any lawsuits or other favors. companies don't just give them for shits and giggles.

>>129309097
Our companies are much, MUCH bigger than anyone else's.

Japan is just humble.

>>129313851
In whose eyes? All of your perspectives depend upon a small group of incestuous people who are all on one another's boards of directors stroking each other off.
WE
WUZ
KEKS

ITT:
propaganda's stunning success

>>129313683

Dude. In highly industrialized countries there are large international renowned megacorporations whose CEO's sure as hell make a lot of money (as expected). These inflate the statistical average. It doesnt mean that they are all greedy fucks, just that there are some who make a lot of money (as expected).

But when it comes to Portugal and Poland, things change. Major CEO's of what? Cork stoppers, shoes and vodka? It only means that the corporate leadership of our small companies are a bunch of slaving despots and boyars.

>>129313064
lol do you honestly believe this? what's this poor person living like a king on? food stamps?

>>129314194
>Major CEO's of what

>Sonae, EDP, Jeronimo Martins, Impresa, etc.

>>129314208
>be American
>live on food stamps
>still have a house
>still have a car
>still have a color TV
>still have a mobile phone
>still have a credit card

That game "Can you survive on minimum wage for a month?" was hilarious.

>>129314051
>All of your perspectives depend upon a small group of incestuous people who are all on one another's boards of directors stroking each other off
we talkin about marxists in academia or climate change nonprofits?

>>129309097
Redistribution of wealth.

>>129314051
The board of directors are stalk holders. it's in their best interest for the company to profit as much as possible. As in any situation, some are corrupt, but those cases tend to be the exception, and are not a good reason for the high number OP cited to be a bad thing.

unrelated, but why the fuck does op have one reply

>>129314415
not according to judge judy my friend. theyre all broke

>>129314194
Does that explanation work for the difference between Japan and Germany too?

>>129314445
Nigger do you even know anything about corporate governance or are you just bantzing?

>>129309097
Serious question; what do the national socialist on this board think about it.
No ron paul people please, I already know you want to keep your money.

>>129314415
>be American
>have largest economy in the world
>40 million people below poverty line
>0 social safety nets
>at least I can legally own a gun

>>129309097
i wonder how many ceos these countries have each

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>>129309097
In America, right wing retards worship, serve and obey their billionaire globalist elite CEO overlords

>>129314626
The gun thing makes a lot more sense if you meet some of the people living here.

the first and only jobs to be automated should be ceo's

>UK CEO pay in 1960 - 15:1
>UK Ceo pay in 2017 130:1

Neoliberalism sure is ebin

>>129314686
leaf, generic post I've seen twenty times before...yawn.

>>129314725
>only
what's wrong with automation?

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>>129314471
>stalk holders

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>>129314761
gee i wonder where the money went

>>129314817
well, representatives of them technically, but still people who's money is tied to the company.

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>>129314471
>stalk holders

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>>129314208
He's not entirely wrong. The fattest people in this country are also our poorest. If you were to drive through a poor hick community in a state like Alabama (especially a minority one) or a Mexican shanty town you'll see a lot of rotund motherfuckers. In places like Jew York or San Francisco, people are typically more fit. Our definition of poor is worlds different than that of other countries.

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>>129314883
good point

>>129314837
>goods producing
so the service industry got bigger. what's the problem?

>go to college for women's studies
>complain about 354:1

Has there ever been a generation more stupid and irresponsible than the millennials?

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>>129309097

>let's appeal to the inner 4 y.o. of economically illiterate people with false stats, that'll finally convert them to communism and make them see the virtue of breadlines and mass famines.

Who gives a fuck when the 1 in your 354:1 example is much bigger than the 1 in the 1:28 example?

>>129314364

Jeronimo Martins is registered in fucking Netherlands and EDP is partially hold by both our state and the Chinese. Get fucked.

>>129314781
You're not disproving it, rather to the contrary.
>>129314798
It starts at the wrong end of the org chart.
>>129314995
Shittier food is cheaper, in both time and money terms. That's due to many separate failures of the food distribution system, all breaking in favor of capital.
>>129315023
Why did it get bigger, and were we asked?
>>129315067
Only numerically. Robust public services are at least somewhat extant in Poland. The US barely has a working post office.

I won't apologize for making the sky the limit. All I see from that image is "holy shit theres a possibility I can make 354 times my current salary?"

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>>129312516
>Finish working
>Employer is pleased and by agreement pays me the money
>Somehow society desides wether or not I "earned" it
>Beats me up and steals everything leaving me with 5$

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>>129315023
actually it's for all production and non-supervisory workers

you're such a shill for the wealthy elites who own u

>>129314525

You guys have a very strong car industry among other things. Its perfectly natural for you to be in that list. Its a prestige badge even..

>>129315056
He's giving the old official "white power" hand sign

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>>129315023
>so the service industry got bigger. what's the problem?

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>>129315166
literally right wing retard cucks

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>>129315240

Well what? Get a job.

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>>129315047
Nope. Luckily for us, most of those people won't breed, leaving only the conservatives and /pol/tards to usher in the new generation of white nationalists. In dark times one can only be optimistic.

>>129315169
The employer has preferential access to new money that the people do not.
I mean, if we could all get accounts at the Federal Reserve, almost none of this would matter. Unfortunately, we live in a proto-feudal system and, fortunately, we don't have to agree with our lordship.

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>>129314686
>In America, right wing retards worship, serve and obey their billionaire globalist elite CEO overlords
Kind of how leftards worship, serve and obey their centralized totalitarian communist governments? Its almost like they have something in common....

>>129315170
Obamaleaf, i-is that you?

>>129315144
>It starts at the wrong end of the org chart.
we should automate whatever we can. that's what moves the economy forward and what increases the standard of living. structural unemployment is a fact of life, not something to avoid. there's a reason it's part of the natural unemployment rate.

>Why did [the service industry] get bigger, and were we asked?
It got bigger because other manufacturing powers came into the global market, and decreased the US market share. Not usually something they ask about.

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>>129315384
>Kind of how leftards worship, serve and obey their centralized totalitarian communist governments

you retards are fucking deranged. Centre-left politics to you is communist. You're out of your fucking minds.

>>129315438
IF you automate what you can right now you will end up with so many people without work or money flow.

UBI is a solution and so is extending the sphere of man to the space to colonize near Earth objects, mine asteroids, build floating cities but that's a no can do since we are a cuckolded species.

>>129309097
But the average worker in these countries also earns far less than in the US.

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>>129315387

>>129315345
>leaving only the conservatives and /pol/tards to usher in the new generation of white nationalists.

Along with all the minorities with high birth rates right?

>>129315067
this

I have noticed that liberals/socialist make the wealth inequality a moral issue. Its a bit strange, because I dont see anything wrong with it. I don't think wealth equality or inequality have any real impact on my own or others opportunities here in life.

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Reading this thread, I have no hope left for right wing retards. They really are nothing more than useful idiots and cucks for the billionaire globalist wealthy elites that they worship serve and obey. It's sad. You retards are nothing more than cock holsters for the billionaire globalists. You're actually proud of it. Sad sad cucks.

>>129315438
The question is not whether "structural unemployment" is muh natural, it's a question of whether those people have anything to lose by killing executives or whether those people should be compensated for losing a key part of their identity to make executives richer.
Should we not start by automating executives, or should we keep pretending that they add something to their Excel spreadsheets?
>It got bigger because other manufacturing powers came into the global market
>came into
Uh, the US GAVE China the technology. It wasn't some mere chance accident.
Unironically kill yourself on your way back to >>>/r/neoliberal

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>>129309097
What any pleb or patrician thinks:
>US attracts the best talent

What Communist proles think will happen:
>Use government to steal their wealth
>Government will give money to me
>?
>I will actually get some pussy

What actually happens:
>Vastly more talented CEOs figure out how to evade taxes, lobby the government, or leave the country entirely
>Companies turn to shit
>Country turns to shit
>Communist NEETs will die first, as they are too lazy and incompetent to have a prayer of a chance in war

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>>129315056

>>129315240
That meme is not funny. Can you gommies come up with anything funny?

>>129315170

hmmmm... It's almost like America nearly doubled it's labor force in the late 70's thereby stagnating wages and causing large-scale social changes...

>>129315535

You're and idiot, there is no such thing as center left. Left = communism


Stay mad you boot licking commie cuck, trump runs the global order now

>>129315572
Well, abortion will stagnate the percentage of blacks (keeping it at 13% well into 2050). The only ethnic group whose percentage that'll grow exponentially are Hispanics, which is projected to double by 2050. Good immigration policies can fix that though.

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>>129315701
>Commie NEET is so agoraphobic, he thinks his golden shower fetish is normal

>>129315784
B A S E D
A
S
E
D

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>>129315840
>Self-aware
>Communist

>>129315840
Hits a little too close to home, NEETsoc?

>>129309097
So what?
...?

>>129315170
That still excludes a lot of programmers who have to manage interns if nothing else, which is clearly responsible for a lot of recent productivity sense 1980.

Even if it is a just a few people that are earning more, it seems quite likely that those few people are just more responsible for more of companies profits.

>>129315954
I work in a industrial plant.
Communists are usually NEETs who have never worked a day in their life, or they are faggots who unironically live off of daddies money and then complain CEOs don't earn their money. Projection and self hatred is the entire reason for leftism.

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>>129315784
oy vey

>>129316077
Nothing commie about not wanting corporate and financial markets to shit all over us. This same lot you defend so strongly are quite happy to demographically replace you for profits as well.

>>129309097
(((CEO)))

>>129315550
like I said, structural unemployment isn't necessarily a bad thing. By automating lower level jobs, it lets people raise their standard of living with occupations like programming, math, or physics. we could see a second renaissance.

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>>129315891

>>129316077
Been in the labor force for twenty years, including industry. Got a fuckin' problem with that?

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>>129316193

>>129316209
When has that happened over a war?

>>129309097
Anybody can become a CEO. It isn't that hard. Becoming a wealthy CEO of a successful company is hard. It's also an insane amount of work and responsibility that most people are not willing to put in. Even if those statistics weren't dubious and misleading, 354:1 would be an entirely reasonable ratio. The CEO of a large corporation has far more responsibility than a laborer.

If a worker fucks up, they can lose their job. If a CEO fucks up, everybody can lose their jobs.

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>>129316237
>lying on the internet
Did I strike a nerve commuNEET?

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>>129316258
I can play this game all day

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>>129316262
Plenty of CEOs fuck up and leave with golden parachutes while their companies crash and burn. Seriously why are right wing retards the biggest billionaire globalist cucks on the planet

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>>129315701
our world has become increasingly complex. more and more jobs rely on intelligence rather than manuel labor. Meanwhile the IQ have barely changed, the Flynn effect have stagnated.
There is too many jobs that require high intelligence and not enough people to do them.
Meanwhile there are to few jobs that require unskilled labor and too many to do these jobs.

The difference in wages are a product of the demand and supply. You could "artificially" try to increase the wages, with minimum wages or so, or a cap on higher wages. But you cannot change the supply and demand of the different types of skills, in any sustainable way.

>>129315765
> What Communist proles think will happen:
>Use government to steal their wealth
>Government will give money to me
>?
>I will actually get some pussy

middle and upper class commies are just gibs me dat scum.

>>129316262
>if i repeat the scriptures harder maybe i'll get a promotion
You literally do not understand anything about corporate governance or executive politics. Maybe you should shut your amerifat pie hole.
>>129316327
Get a real job, econ student.

>>129315706
see my reply here >>129316209 for the first part. I see nothing wrong with automating exes too, I just think it's a more difficult problem for automation.

also, I don't see the relevance of where china got the technology

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>>129316410
Plenty of retards are rich. Intelligence and wealth are 2 completely different things.

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>>129316209
What will happen to the endless amount of niggers and wetbacks that can't do anything but entry-level jobs? Dumb down programming positions to accommodate them? Increase the already ginormous welfare state we've created now that machines took away their livelihoods? No thanks.

>>129316259
when crop production became more automated than it was before there was no war. people just found other, better, jobs

>>129316370
You didn't contradict anything I said

>>129316481
How about you enlighten me then

>>129316597
you're talking to a retard who thinks stalk holders are the most important thing >>129314471

>>129316587
Sometimes, but IQ has a very strong correlation with success. The fact is that some people are better than others and no matter how much you hate them this will always be the case. Accept that hierarchy exists, and then maybe you can move yourself up in it.

>>129316268
minimum wage is not the same thing as median wage.

>>129309097
There is literally nothing wrong with this.

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no shit, stalk holder

>>129316410
Not at all. This stuff didn't just suddently happen. It was deliberately pursued by executives and governments, to our detriment.
>>129316493
>doesn't see the relevance of where china got their technology
>doesn't see the relevance of Nixon giving away the secret sauce that made American executives and their employees prosperous
>doesn't understand that the "world muh market" opening up was a policy choice
Kill yourself on your way back to /r/neoliberal.
>>129316627
I honestly do not have the time. For a recent and pathological case, look for CalPERS, a pension fund being mismanaged by corporate lackeys with divided loyalties.
>>129316696
>IQ has a very strong correlation with success
IW has a very strong correlation with cultural assimilation, which would of course correlate with success when executives are basically cool kids in the clique and don't serve any real function outside of class solidarity.

>>129313274
what the fuck, i thought this was africa or the middle east when i first looked at it
what have these niggers done to this beautiful country?

>those horses though

>>129314364
Literally who?

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>>129309097
An average CEO in Greece makes €100.000/year

That's not even entry level middle management salary in the US.

What you sould be looking is this: annual revenues vs CEO salary

But if you had brains to think this on yourself, you wouldn't be a fucking communist

>>129316762
>I don't have the time to justify the claims I make

>>129316597
if they get a better education then maybe they can be more productive. or maybe they go into the service industry and someone that was there before invests in a better education instead.

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>>129316696
Again you're putting CEOs up on a pedestal because you suck billionaire globalist cock for a living. Sitting at a desk all day firing people doesn't take genius. CEOs don't work 354x harder and aren't 354x smarter than the average worker

>>129316696
>tfw low iq white trash
i need to reroll my dices for next life soon

>>129314713
This. I have had idiot friends who went to the US and secured a comfortable living. If that category of idiots made it, it pains me to think of the level of subhumanity you have there

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>>129316876
I don't worship CEOs, I don't pretend that they are my friends like the neocons do, but I recognize that many of them are there because they had the skills necessary to get there.

Communism does nothing but give these people more tools to enslave us, I hope you realize that.

>>129316656
typos aside, I'm not saying that stock holders are the most important thing, I'm saying that they have a vested economic interest to do the most profitable thing

I didnt even need to ask to know that this is the obama leaf

>if i repeat the same arguments with the same pictures in every thread then THAT will show them
>also i should say "right wing retard" every 2nd post because ui cant think of good insults

>>129316481
Hey retard go look up how tax havens like Lichtenstein take all the taxes away from the countries that develop them. That's ok though because you're being such a good goy driving them to (((Lichtenstein's))) control so they can have 60k people and 65k + businesses. I'm sure taxing them will make them stay, it's not about whats right and whats wrong marxism only works if no tax havens are in the world. There are tax havens though so you have two options do your job and try to one day get to that level by hard work or be a good goy and complain while not even giving (((them))) competition.

>>129316861
You're asking for a college course in 2000 characters. I say no. jfgi lazyburger

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>>129316996
he finally figured it out

>>129314626
You also forgot that US has very ineffective healthcare system. Wastes a lot of money/resources/energy.

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Oh it's the Social Darwinism Is Good™ thread.

It never ceases to amaze and surprise me at all the apologists that come out of the woodwork defending the heinous mutation of capitalism into a corpo-feudalistic wealth transfer state. I mean, the apologists aren't even near the small group of beneficiaries of this system. Like the German said in a few comments before me, the propaganda is working.

>>129317033
No I'm asking you to explain why I said was wrong. You don't have to lecture me to do that, at least you shouldn't be able to

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>>129316997
I have different arguments and different pictures that relate to the thread at hand. Are you too retarded to understand this? We're talking about CEO pay. Am I not talking about CEO pay you filthy degenerate retarded sheepfucker?

>>129317039
it's 2 am, give me a break

>>129314626
America pays more in healthcare than any other country in the world and our system still sucks. I'm sure if we bump it up we'll be fine what is 50 trillion USD in debt compared to reducing it from 20 trillion USD.

>>129309985
says the russian whos millionaires are millionaires because they had steaks in the past governments resources after it fell apart.

>>129315345
You can't compete with minorities birthrate pal, better concentrate all white conservatives and /pol/tards in one place so we can make new master race

>>129309097
Poland is a commie shithole

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>>129316986
>Questioning income inequality and right wing trickle down economics

Just how cucked are you retards?

>>129317093
*shouldn't have to

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>>129317124
still doesn't change the fact that you're a billionaire globalist cock holster

>>129317180
>Questioning income inequality and right wing trickle down economics makes you a communist

sentence cut off my bad

>>129316762
I'm not arguing whether nixon's decision was a good thing, I'm just saying that given it happened, the market change isn't necessarily a bad thing.

>>129317026
>muh jews muh jews talk more about muh jews
I assure you I'm well aware of Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, the Caymans (and their ridiculous lack of controls on corporate documentation) and others. Don't you have American oligarch cum to drink?
>>129316262
>If a worker fucks up, they can lose their job. If a CEO fucks up, everybody can lose their jobs.
First of all, I'm going to ask you how people losing their jobs is even remotely not in the CEO's interest when stocks regularly go UP upon layoffs, rather than down. The incentives are aligned exactly opposite to your little toy story.
>work
What work? He bows and scrapes before rich people, reads complete lies to the press, and plays golf. He may spend a lot of time doing it, but to the extraverted workaholic it may as well be play.
>responsibility
What responsibility? He gets paid either way, and his incentives (as above) are not aligned with keeping employees happy and well-compensated. He gets a colden parachute and we are lucky to get severance pay.
You've got this ridiculous fantasy picture in your mind of happy corporate families that has nothing to do with the actual incentives.

>>129317320
>change isn't necessarily a bad thing
For whom, you fucking neoliberal?

>>129316876
The market determine the fair price. If a corporation decides they don't want to give a CEO an "extremely" high salary. Then what will happen is that the number of potential CEO's they can hire decreases, because a lot of the potential CEOs will choose another corporation which give them the "extreme" salary.
Corporations are profit machines, they want to make profit, if they can save money then they will do so. They have decided to pay their CEOs 300x that of an average worker, that is their assessment.
Of all the possible claims you can make, then it is strange to claim that corporations siphon money out of their profits, to give to some employee (the CEO, is not the owner, he is an employee)..

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>>129317397
There is literally no difference between right wing retards, Trump voters and neoliberals. They are 1 and the same.

They have been well trained to be billionaire globalist corporate cock holsters all their life and they are very obedient bitches

>>129317270
or maybe I'm doing well and think that the free market is responsible

>>129317099
I bet it took everything you had to come up with a different insult besides "Right wing retard" huh?

>>129317460
Don't let "moderate" Democrats off the hook, either.

>>129317397
would you rather that everyone stayed in manufacturing and see the economy crash?

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>>129317460
>obamaleaf

You have to be the most turbo-autist that roams this board. Here, have a rare nigger

I feel kind of bad for shills
how shitty does your life have to be to spend 4+ hours a day on a website you hate just to get in to arguments with people on the internet?

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>>129317430
>Of all the possible claims you can make, then it is strange to claim that corporations siphon money out of their profits, to give to some employee (the CEO, is not the owner, he is an employee)..

That's exactly what they do.

>The market determine the fair price.

No the board, who is usually controlled by the CEO, does.

>inb4 but muh shareholders

Who controls most of the shares? Cleetus Trump voter meth head retard from Kansas, or the billionaire globalist elites that you right wing retards worship, serve and obey?

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Here you go:

>This paper challenges the widely accepted stylized fact that chief executive officers (CEOs) in the United States are paid significantly more than their foreign counterparts. Using CEO pay data across fourteen countries with mandated pay disclosures, we show that the U.S. pay premium is economically modest and primarily reflects the performance-based pay demanded by institutional shareholders and independent boards. Indeed, we find no significant difference in either level of CEO pay or the use of equity-based pay between U.S. and non-U.S. firms exposed to international and U.S. capital, product, and labor markets. We also show that U.S. and non-U.S. CEO pay has largely converged in the 2000s.

http://docentes.fe.unl.pt/~mferreira/index_files/paygap.pdf

>>129317584
I don't. But I don't let false equivalency off the hook either.

>>129309385
>they made it wholly on their own.
you don't seem to understand what the ratio indicates

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>>129317613
Only right wing retards think saving the American economy from a 2nd Republican Great Depression is a failure. You retards think every time you crash the economy is a success so you have a warped view.

Fucking Greece of all places. Jesus Christ stfu and pay your denbts

>>129317373
Talk more shit but at the end of the day you're complaining about a system that's been around since the dawn of civilization. Here's a news flash your retarded ass doesn't have the solution so shut the fuck up, work, and support your family like EVERYONE else does. It's not right,it's not fair, but your dumbass isn't changing shit. Don't even try to pull the whole collectivist card on me too because non-selfish people are not willing to risk their family's well being to do what's "right." You sure did crack the code you're so smart it took humanity 42,000 years of social hierarchy but some NEET on an internet political discussion board who has probably never even read the person's politics he's claiming to adore has cracked it. Shits fucked, were all fucked, sorry your millennial ass never had to deal with anything hard in your childhood but welcome to the real world.

>>129316875
>if they get a better education
Have you ever lived around American blacks, buddy? Black communities vilify members who try to escape their ghettos in pursuit of a better life via the opportunities brought about by education and incentivizes the leech/hoodlum lifestyle. Their culture is way too backward for that. The only other solution I think of is "mo money fo dem programs" and we know how swimmingly that worked out for us.
>>129316972
You have no idea, Shqipe. Imagine the Roma there but three times as violent and irrational.

> 129317589 (You)
>muh the economy
No more (You)s for a neoliberal. Fuck the economy. If the people aren't fed, sheltered and clothed, your market has failed and you need to fuck yourself with it.

>>129316986
Why is it either what we have now or communism?

>>129317776
but then US is fucked?

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>>129317816
Seems to be what people or at least the fuckers that scream the loudest want.

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>>129317747
>obamaleaf shilling for jewish creditors of Greece

Seems about right, commies are kikes

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>>129309263
>Your 'counter' argument is a grotesque oversimplification and exaggeration of an opinion that was not even expressed in the original post.

>You ask if OP is retarded

>>129317686
Globalist cock holsters they are. Biden and Lieberman in particular. The rot is structural.
> 129317757 (You)
>muh appeal to tradition
Kill yourself you submissive cuckold. Your family deserves better.

>>129317177
>Poland
>commie

Most poles hate communism with the force of a thousand suns.

You are deluded.

>>129317766
what about the latter option? If people from the automated industries flood the service industry, people that were there before are more likely to go for a better job. There are plenty of capable people in the service industry

>>129317816
because right wing retards only deal in absolutes.

You're either with our billionaire globalist overlords or you're against us. That's how right wing retards see it. I'm dead serious.

>>129309097
I don't give a shit what the top bossman pays himself as long as my work is compensated fairly
there's nothing wrong with paying the CEO 200m a year if it doesn't impact the company's finances

That's shit but solution isn't socialism for fucks sake. Name ONE succesful socialist economy. You would be solving one problem and creating hundred more.
It's just as bad as neoliberalism.

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>>129317901
Right wing retards shilling for tax cuts for billionaires. Some things never change.

>>129317776
a good economy and a higher standard of living is what keeps people fed

>>129317926
Literally a viva la resistance ANTIFA fag honestly go ahead and try out this new thing called Auto Erotic Asphyxiation while watching your anime.

>>129311715
>63k/yr usd
I can comfortably live on 30k a year myself
my calculations say a wife and 2 children would at most double that on average

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>>129309097
You were so busy being a Lillian that you did not take actual numbers into consideration. I will take 1/354 of 5 million dollars any day over 1/28 of 100k.

>>129316774
those are probably amish horses

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>>129318156
>I can comfortably live on 30k a year myself

Meanwhile $200 million a year is not enough for Mr. Shekelstein.

Holy shit u right wing retards are cucked beyond repair.

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>>129315701
So poor people breeding faster than the rich people is rich people's fault?

>>129318246
there's a giant fucking diference between how much I can live on and how much I can earn you retarded leaf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l20Pac9YWM

>>129317163
>steaks in the past government

heh

>>129318323
Yes. Growth = productivity gains + population gains. When population gains level off, they affect national policy to try to force population gains. I suspect, but have not yet verified with data, that this is the reason behind the seemingly random walk that reproductive choice policy in the US has taken.

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>>129318325
You're happy to take a pay cut so your billionaire globalist overlords can have more. You are the definition of a cuck.

>>129316876
Its incentive for companies to come here.

>>129317907
Kys commie faggot

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>>129318323
That has nothing to do with that chart you absolute fucking retard. In fact, birth rates in the West have been declining since the 1970s. Are you completely fucking retarded?

>>129318479
Fuck companies. We are not so cucked, I hope, that we can't make our own companies given a government that actually wishes us to.

>>129318475
>pay cut
nigga I get paid $80k a year, which is within the top 5% for my field

>>129318475
It's part of the dream. If person can't be a billionaire then people who only care about money have lost their only (empty) life goal. This cognitive dissonance is very evident how /pol/ was celebrating how state-government level wealth redistribution got blown the fuck out week ago (in US) but they can't stop salivating over "private/personal" wealth redistribution possibilities.

>>129318479
lol right wing retard cucks crack me up. You have been programmed to work for as little as possible and u always have hilarious excuses for it.

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>>129318725
sure I would love to be paid millions, but my work is worth nowhere near that much
I don't get what's so fucking hard to understand about this

>>129317373
I meant that a bad decision made by the CEO can jeopardize the entire company, or at least be far more consequential than a poor decision made by his inferiors. Like I said to Obamaleaf, I understand that they probably plunder the ship before it sinks, but that's not relevant in terms of the average wage while the company is alive.

>muh golf
Are these really the daily activities of a CEO? Leftists like to portray the business elites as a bunch of fat cats smoking cigars and lounging around all day. That seems much more fantastical then anything I've said. I think you're deliberately downplaying the importance of the upper echelons of management to push a narrative.

>>129318669
May I ask then how do you keep corporate taxes here then? We gonna go full Hilary and say "I... If... Iff.... If you leave I embargo entire country which TOTALITY won't be an act of war or anything" or are you going to go a different and more logical route.

Keep in mind most of American CEOs are Jewish

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>>129318820
She's worth $100 million. Because she earned it right?

You're a cuck.

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>>129318922
Why do you think (((pol))) sucks CEO cock all day?

>>129318535
Most liberal (if not all) rely on communistic fiction such as the benefit of entire state or people, see Adam Smith's invisible hand deus ex machinea.

>>129318967
That's the market price for that whore. I don't see nutting wrong with it personally because I'm amoral

>>129309097
>FB_I
Not falling for it

>>129318967
I don't care who that is
if people think she's worth $100 million she's worth $100 million

>>129315701
Having a smaller share of income doesn't mean you're making less income though. Average incomes for the rich and poor have both gone up.

>>129318919
You crack down on tax shelters. Obama banned corporate tax inversions. Trump of course is lifting the ban,

Trump takes aim at Obama's ban on "tax inversions"
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-taxes-corporate-transfer-overseas/

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>>129319079
>looks at chart

right wing retards are the biggest cucks on the planet.

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I'm out. I honestly can't take how cucked you right wing retards are. The billionaire globalists sure are fortunate to have such useful idiots supporting them.

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>filter obamaleaf
>thread quality goes up 300%

>>129318967
She's worth that much because of the work of her predecessors, and, because retards bought into her bullshit.

Both were fairly earned, the state is not entitled to your parent's estate, and if dumbfucks want to throw money at some dim cunt, that's their choice.

You're just stupid, broke and lazy. Go fuck off, faggot, and stop being jealous and vengeful.

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>>129318910
>I meant that a bad decision made by the CEO can jeopardize the entire company, or at least be far more consequential than a poor decision made by his inferiors
Not at all. His inferiors will clean up the mess for him because US workplace culture is pure cuckery. Pic related
>probably plunder the ship before it sinks
Look into private equity. They plunder the ship while it sinks and while staff are bailing out the bilge.
>but that's not relevant in terms of the average wage while the company is alive
It doesn't help the final paychecks not bounce.
>Are these really the daily activities of a CEO?
If you know otherwise, then lay some cards down.
>importance of the upper echelons of management
I think you're deliberately playing them up because you aspire to be among them someday.

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>>129319258
I'm none of those things. I'm just not a cuck for billionaire globalist elites like u right wing retards are

>>129319238

t. Guy who thinks everyone who has more than he does is a billionaire globalist

>>129318967
Barron Hilton, her father, founded a huge hotel chain. I would say he earned that money, and then his daughter inherited it.

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bye bye

>>129317991
That'll be disastrous for those already in the service industry. Also, a lot of those jobs require a degree of competency. I doubt Tyrone who's on parole and has a crack addiction can be a mechanic.

>>129319319
No, you're fuckung retarded. Go kill yourself poorfag.

>>129319360
Barron Hilton didn't found the company. And he's not her father. You're honestly a fucking retard.

>>129309097
The proportion of large-capitalization companies in the US is higher than in any of those countries.
CEOs of those large companies get payed more.

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>>129319402

>>129319281
Projecting

>>129319258
She is not worth that much because of her work. She is worth that much because the market thinks in supply and demand that she is worth that much. The objective quality of something has no bearing on its market price or f.e. phones would be at best 200 dollars (instead they are 1000 dollars)

yes I just compared Paris Hilton to a phone

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>>129319238
Peace, Obamaleaf. You filthy troll, you.

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>>129319362
So much envy, so little ability, why live, obamaleaf'? Suicide is calling you.

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>>129319505
get triggered bitch

>>129319411
you're right, his father did and paris hilton is his grand daughter. that still doesn't change my point

>>129319468
People bought into her brand an she inherited a fortune, dummy, why can't you understand simple things? Is it because you're Canadian?

Or, is it because you're a fucking faggy commie with a mental disorder?