To get to 2% of GDP military spending, Germany needs to spend

what did world become? anglos are bullying germany to get bigger army.

>>129307757
You afraid yet, Turk? Your country is in the East and we always fancied the East.

>>129307523
Can you expand your military and keep your welfare state? You have a lot of New Germans who need help.

You don't need a nuke program, we have one, just give us some money and we will protect you I swear. Easy D!

>>129307523
Wasting money on nukes and carriers. Nanite clouds is where it is at. Dissolves enemies, while leaving allies alone.

Rather spent that money on racism fighting #DoppelEinhorn

>http://cicero.de/salon/aktion-doppeleinhorn-kommandopolitik-im-kleid-des-kindischen

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>>129307523
Soon. Jpg

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>>129307523
I see totally no reason we shouldn't be encouraging a nation like Germany to spend more money on its military. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

>>129307523
They have to be rampless though

>>129307952
>Can you expand your military and keep your welfare state? You have a lot of New Germans who need help.
We just need to put the welfare people into our military just as America does it.

>>129308063
>You don't need a nuke program, we have one, just give us some money and we will protect you I swear. Easy D!
Ok, but we wantz to zee ze nukez first! Handz em over, thenz we payz.

>>129307523
Just use it to R&D military tech.

>>129308802
>I see totally no reason we shouldn't be encouraging a nation like Germany to spend more money on its military. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

I don't know. Ask Trump. He has been encouraging us to spend more. And if we spend more we need to put the money somewhere. It can't all go into the wages of our soldiers, otherwise this would make them all millionaires.

>>129307523
Why waste money on women in the military?

>>129307523
Isn't that 2% suppose to go to NATO, not German military spending?

>>129307523
> What should we use this money for?
send Muslims to work camps and cite Islamic law to justify it.

>>129309508
That's not how NATO works.

>>129309508
Not how it works.

>>129309401
Missile sites as deterrent to Russia, dummy. That's all you need. Anti-missile systems are only for those who care about their populace.

>>129309508
So when the US spends money on NATO we are paying for individual European military's?

>I don't have a realistic grasp on how much modern weaponry costs.

>>129309227
>Letting the Tanned Germans be your military.
That couldn't go wrong.

>>129309401
I would but he's #notmypresident.

>>129307523
Just shut down NATO. It's served its purpose.

>>129309070
I agree. I cannot explain it but ramps ruin the aesthetics

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>>129307523
Fairy tail. You know that you will spend this money on refugees anyway.

>>129309742
We have standards. Our own Germanic welfare people are miles away in terms of intelligence compared to the imported illegals. This is why 98% of our military is still white Germanic. We have only a handful of Turks in them.

So if anything, we probably would attract 200,000 to 300,000 Germanic welfare queens to the military.

>>129307523
Anyway. 12 months conscription for men is good. Get one carrier, you don't need 4. But Germany has need had a carrier so you need one. Also get a heli carrier. Aaaand. Get a big ass special unit. 10000 men with nightvision trained to fight conventional war at night. So you can advance with normal troops at night.

>>129307947
why would you go east for kebab when you already ordering so much take-out.

>>129309665
A nuclear aircraft carrier costs around 10 billion. So 4 are 40 billion plus maintenance and operations let us say 60 billion in the next 15 yrs.

Then the 1000 fighter jets, that is 200 million a jet in procurement and operations, so we are at 200 billion.

Then the tanks at 2000, those are actually the cheapest in the whole thing, probably 30 billion including operations.

And then the wages for the soldiers and their equipment and barracks if we increase the troop levels from 200k to 600k through conscription, which is just about 50 billion.

Still got enough money for lots of other stuff.

>>129307523
You aren't allowed to have an army Hans. Spend that money on gassing all the niggers and Muslims you've let in

>>129309869
80% are russians

>>129309652
No. Nato is a military alliance. Each member have their own military. When Trump is talking about "paying" for Europe, sure some of it is going to the "combined" forces, but it is just the fact that you, USA, use your own troops.

>>129309508
Not how it works. Is America paying 2% of its GDP to NATO?

NATO is nothing more than a building where people can meet and discuss bs. It is a truly shitty organization.

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>>129307523
Germany will not be allowed to get nukes. Even Western nations who don't already have nukes wouldn't be aloud to get nukes, much less a Muslim nation like Germany.

>>129309852
>Fairy tail. You know that you will spend this money on refugees anyway.

We have committed to spend 2% of GDP on our military by 2024. And in contrast to Poland, Germans always do what they say.

>>129307523
And what do we need all that shit for?

>>129310031
>You aren't allowed to have an army Hans.
>German military is larger than the UK military and better funded (with the Pound Sterling falling 30%)

If we aren't allowed to have a military, then why is ours bigger and better funded than yours?

>>129310143
EU army to force your cuckery upon the US

>>129310116
It is going to happen sooner or later. I'm talking 50 years down the line. It won't be a problem, people will learn not to use them. Just as Hitler never used chemical weapons on the battlefield.
>>129310143
>And what do we need all that shit for?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sle1E9QgHNE

>>129310143
>And what do we need all that shit for?
We do not need it. We also do not need illegal immigration. The point is, we committed to 2%, if you have a better suggestion to spend the 400 billion, tell us.

>>129310142
Poland already spends more than 2% of their GDP on their military.

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>>129310142
We respect the rules of the military pact to which we belong since joining.

>>129310299
Infrastructure & education for example

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>>129309869
>>129310050
25% are Russian-Germans. I know many soldiers and they confirm.

>>129307523

That's not a whole lot of money, Germany.

400B/10 years = 40B/year.
look at 1/2 million man army.

$40B/500000 = $80k per soldier. Training / food / board / salary / equipment. No expensive weapons systems, new buildings, etc.

Anything you buy is going to last at most 20 years before it has to be scrapped or refit.

Can you do lots of good stuff with that money? sure, but I don't think it will stretch nearly as far as you think.

literally nothing bad has ever happened from Germany militarising themselves

I support this with every fibre of my being

>>129310426
>Infrastructure & education for example
That is not military spending.

We are supposed to spend 2% on the military per year.

Our GDP is close to 3.2 trillion EUR and going up to 4 trillion EUR within the next decade. 2% of that is 10 x 3600 x 0.02 = 720 billion or about 850-900 billion USD. Currently we are only spending a bit over half of that in a given year.

So where do we spend the 400 billion USD on to get to 2%?

>>129310504
>$40B/500000 = $80k per soldier.

200,000 professional soldiers. 300,000 conscripts. Conscripts cost 20k per person as they are literally paid only half of minimum wage and live in shitty barracks. So 6 billion for 300k more. 200k are already spent.

Also, the 400 billion are ADDITIONAL money to what we already spend. We already cover 200k soldiers with our existing money.

>>129310426
>Infrastructure & re-education for example
Fixed that for you.
I mean what I wrote about 10.000 soldiers with nightvision. They will be excel in urban warfare. Also get silencers for their rifles.
>>129310504
USA spends 3,62% and have a massive military. Germany is the 4th largest economy, it will get them pretty far.

>>129310399
Poland when are you selling us the MSBS already? Wasn't fucking Radom building a factory over here?? GIVE ME MORE GUNS YOU COMMIE FUCK.

>>129310672
You dont. Its wasted money and nobody in the eu cares about agreements.

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>>129310879
You need to pay Germany. A deal is deal. 2% is the deal.

>>129307523
Sehr gut. Germany will rise again

Itt. People are realising Trump is asking Germany to re-arm themselves. I support it by the way. All of Europe needs to re-arm. Can't be USA's bitch forever, they are down to 54% whites, you wanna let mexicanos tell Europe how to live?

>>129311160
Its like China saying they will care more about the environment.
We run this Union, we decide whats and whats not going to happen

>>129311404
I have a feeling he wants Europeans to re-arm themselves, because he thinks that Europe will buy American tech.

Panzer, Drohnen und nukleare Vergeltungswaffen.

>>129310018

You have my support. Less burdens for us.

>>129311501
>Its like China saying they will care more about the environment.

China is carrying more about the environment. They are shutting down inner city coal power plants, are investing in nuclear and in electric vehicles and they are the country with by far the most solar power plants in construction and wind power plants in construction.

>>129311556
That's actually an interesting thought.

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>>129311501
You can't even get Poland and Hungary to accept refugees. As it stands right now, most of the Western World is just women's bitches. No one is running anything except women running Western Civilization straight in the ground. No one respects you Germany.

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>>129311556
Not only that. USA are using their own troops in Europe and all over the world. Trump is right when he is saying USA can't keep doing that. They are going bankrupt.

>>129310018
Does Germany have a large ship builder? Does BAE build ships this size?

>>129307523
Deport all cockroaches, shitskins, nigger then we have some billions extra.
Then invest the money in biological warfare (for example viruses that attack certain haplotypes) In frequency weapons (scalar) to secure our terretory
Emp weapons to paralyze the technick of enemies.
Also invest the money into an eugenic breeding program to push the IQ of our special forces to 130 + (as the Jews did)

>>129311804
I think his only real priorities are security and scooping up money.

>>129307757
dont let them get an army m8 they wont be nice with it

they will use your country as a battleground against russia

>>129312186

They do and have the ability to expand their large ship builder.

>>129310446
But to whom are they loyal?

>>129310399
>Greece

Are they that scared of Turkey?

>>129312277
no fear
We have no interest in Roachland
But your island would be an interresting exercise area for our troops

>>129310399
Fucking Belgium is only spending 0.9%

It is time to move Nato HQ out of Brussels, they don't deserve the boost to the local economy.

>>129310018
>>129307523

Why waste all that money on aircraft carriers you're not going to use when you could just put it into R&D and develop an anti-missile system as good if not better than the THAAD? All of Germany's potential enemies are to the east and there's no ocean why even waste the money on a useless Navy?

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GAS OVENS
you know who it's for.

>>129312186
>Does Germany have a large ship builder? Does BAE build ships this size?
Nigga please. If Denmark can do it, surely Germany can.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emma_M%C3%A6rsk
"Emma Mærsk is the first container ship in the E-class of eight owned by the A. P. Moller-Maersk Group. When launched in 2006 she was the largest container ship ever built, " "Emma Mærsk was built at the Odense Steel Shipyard in Denmark. "
"Length: 397 m (1,302 ft)
Beam: 56 m (184 ft)"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nimitz-class_aircraft_carrier
Length:
Overall: 1,092 feet (332.8 m)
Waterline: 1,040 feet (317.0 m)
Beam:
Overall: 252 ft (76.8 m)

Europe is not China or India. Germany can build carriers if they want to. It's no problem.

>>129312251

That's very efficient yet practical. Typically German.

>>129312381
Our troops are loyal to the leadership, soldiers who are not loyal would be immediately shot dead.
The only countries that we accept as partners are America, Poland, Austria, Slovakia, Hungary, Bulgaria, Croatia, Czech Republic, Slovenia, Switzerland.

>>129312604
>Europe is not China or India. Germany can build carriers if they want to. It's no problem.

Correct. Actually, lots of German companies have lobbied the German government for ages to build more Navy ships. Nuclear carriers are too wild for German companies (as our population is against them), but frigates, heli carriers, corvettes, u-boats etc. can all be built and are built. We could easily ramp the production up including heli + F-35C carriers.

>>129312528
>Why waste all that money on aircraft carriers you're not going to use when you could just put it into R&D and develop an anti-missile system as good if not better than the THAAD? All of Germany's potential enemies are to the east and there's no ocean why even waste the money on a useless Navy?

Simple. R&D isn't good enough. You cannot put all your money in R&D, America doesn't do that either. You put 5% of your money into R&D, 35% in procurement and 60% in operations and maintenance.

>>129307523
Tell you what, let's make a deal. We'll comp you on the $400 billion in military spending we expect of you, and in exchange Germany gets the EU to let Brexit go through without any bullshit fines, and you also agree to take in all the refugees in Britain and France.

Deal? Great. We'll get started on the paperwork, Monday.

>>129312671
In the war, an efficient partner is better than a wild bull I think we both as a partner would be a good mix.

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>>129307523
Buy more brooms

>>129309948
underrated

>>129309948
Kekeroni and cheese.

>>129307523
>4 nuclear aircraft carriers
Waste of money. Those things are easy targets for guided missiles. My advice: R&D for a submergible nuclear aircraft carrier. Stay in submarine mode while it travels, surface only to launch planes.

>>129312923
>take in all the refugees in Britain and France
What kind of deal is that?
The English and French should get their own hands dirty when they get rid of the parasites.

Otherwise we have to listen the next 70 years again muhhhh poor Rapefugees
why was germany so cruel.........

>>129311847
Thats basically the only thing they refuse to do. And that will probably change soon enough

>>129307523
Over-Engineered German Mechas

>>129312604
>Germany can build carriers if they want to.
But do they need to? Aircraft carriers are dated tech. They are easy targets. Russia can sink all aircraft carriers on the planet in a matter of hours. We need something to combat that.

>>129312860
>Adopting American military spending tactics

Germany is not America though. America has bases and an insane logistical network throughout the entire world and is currently engaged in COIN operations throughout multiple countries. And mostly, America is far ahead of any county in terms of technology.

Germany has neither the need or opportunity to spend that much on operations and maintenance. You'd be playing catch-up with America in terms of technology and logistical support so there's no reason not to spend more on R&D. Weapons to counter the middle eastern, Russian, and Chinese militaries would be a way better investment than any Navy expenditure besides nuklier submarines, let alone aircraft carriers.

>>129307523
A giant statue of hitler

>>129313426
German engineers have never gotten their heads around the concept of 'beauty in simplicity. I remember seeing a car design where they replaced 3 gear timing belt system with a ~100 gear rig in an effort to replace the 25-cent rubber belt

>>129307523
I don't think 400 billion will get you half of what you want.

>>129313649
Yes yes goyim. No need to make a sovereign military. Usa wil keep you safe. Sheckels intensify.

>>129312783
You forgot us :(

>>129307523
to pay the US back for covering your pervious insufficient funds

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>>129307523
I am not comfortable with $current_century Germany re-militarizing.

Because it would be Merkelism would be enforced by force i.e. refugees welcome

The military is meant to flush down the brown.

>>129307523
You faggots aren't getting nukes, if anyone let's Germany have them it'd be a huge mistake.

Better hurry up because your soon to be EU army is looking pretty pathetic aside from the French

>>129307523

You'd get 1 CV out of that plus its airwing and escorts

Better off spending it all on the army and air force

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What does pol think about standardizing european military hardware to a extent?

The idea has been thrown around recently and it would make sense. Its easier to defend europe and european nations from outside aggression when providing "aid" is cheaper and more effective

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Here in Czech'em Republic, we are already increasing military spending.
For example, we're getting more state-of-art tonkz, pic related.

>>129309639
>anti-missile systems are only for those who care about their populace

Anti-missile systems are a meme tech used by the military to get insane amounts of funding.
The accuracy is a fucking joke.
This isn't RTS games. This is real life.

So yeah, go for it Germany.

>>129310504
Kek you only need to buy equipment and weapon systems,when the war starts you adhoc train some patriotic peasents for 3 weeks arm them and send them to war.If they die they dont need to get paid.

>>129314431
That looks good, Comrade Czechia. It is great so hear that our European brothers are spending more on tanks and the military. Only if we all spend more can we lose the handcuffs of American imperialism.

I don't see the need for more tanks. I don't think the Bundeswehr will have to face large armored battalions, Fulda Gap-style, in the near future.

Asymmetric wars however are as popular as ever, and for those we'll need drones, mechanized infantry and -please, for god's sake- some decent airlift capabilities. Even tanks don't do you any good when you have to lease planes from the Russians to get them anywhere because the A-400 is entering it's second decade of "teething troubles".

>>129314061

Yes, right. "Forgot".

>>129314431
It is just a fucking statue
Apparently Czech military plans to expand but we just figured out that paying absurd amount of money into tech that is not bought without proper fitting into millitary structure is not how you achieve your NATO 2% deal.

So lets wait how much government coughs up after the elections in fall.

>>129314366
>Its easier to defend europe and european nations from outside aggression when providing "aid" is cheaper and more effective
What countries outside of Europe does Europe need protection from?

>>129314245
>You faggots aren't getting nukes, if anyone let's Germany have them it'd be a huge mistake.

While our population is against it, so it is not realisitc that we will have a nuke program, it would actually be quite a welcome program for us. It would mean we would have to stop the exit from fission power and start building new fast breeder reactors to create a stock-pile of uranium. It would also mean our universities and industry would get lots of projects going to research and simulate nuclear explosions. In addition, our rocket industry would profit from the ICBM building program.

It is very unfortunate we are not putting money into nukes.

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>>129307523
>buying a bunch of new mega-systems like CVs and ICBMs
How about you put some money into actually maintaining your gear and training your men? Your pathetic shithole of a military. Learn to PMCS shit instead of letting it sit in a locker because no funds. FAGGOT!

>>129314202
>I am not comfortable with $current_century Germany re-militarizing.
It does not matter what you are personally comfortable with. Unless you voted for Bernie Sanders, you voted for your government pressuring Germany into more military spending. Our 2% GDP commitment was signed in 2014 under President Obama and Hillary Clinton as foreign minister.

>>129310086
There's also article 5.

>>129314659
Russia of course.

Also it would make european power projection easier, something that hasnt been possible in large scale without america. French adventures in africa arent large slace

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>>129314634
Haha, no. Even as you spend more on the military, you're still our bitch. Who do you think is the people ordering you to increase spending?

>>129307523
>What should we use this money for?

I'm more interested in what we should use that military that for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TseCA2qdVZ8

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>>129307523
Trump was a mistake, might need the chinks to help put you down again next time

>>129313204
Holy shit. Imagine how dumb all those military commanders are, wasting billions of dollars on aircraft carriers when they can simply be sunk with a guided missile. Listen to this Romanian military strategist, ladies and gentlemen. His completely realistic idea that has definitely never been considered since the invention of the aircraft carrier and the submarine is going to change the face of modern warfare! We're all witnessing history here, guys.

>>129307523
>Germans with nukes
Ahahahah, No.

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>>129307523
>1000 modern 5th generation fighters (a mix of homegrown fighters and F-35s)
Lmao it's this autist again. USA started their JSF program more than 20 years ago. You actually think you can catch up now with some measly 400bil?

>>129314961

Picking up refugees from the meditterranean, obviously.
Everything else would be fascist.

>>129314812
Relying on article 5 and US is apparently something Trump wants to relinquish
Shite move from the Americans but stronger and more independent Europe is good for me.
Even EU army might not be the worst idea but it is just a meme. But Germany can pull off the cooperation effort.
>why would 4chan oppose litteral 4th reich

In before WWIII.

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>"Germany you need to start paying for a military, we can't afford to have you without one."
>forgetting why Germany had her army taken away from her
>twice

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>>129315126
>why would 4chan oppose litteral 4th reich
Because it's going to be lead by Islamic fundamentalists by the time you get it properly built.

>>129315044
But Antifa always tells me our government is basically fascist.
Have they been lying to me?

>>129307523
400,000,000,000/0,02=20,000,000,000,000=20 Trillion GDP, even higher because you're saying we need this much of an INCREASE.

Your math is wrong, we're not that rich. The US has a GDP of $18B.

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>>129315039
US tech development has been a fucking money drain in recent decade. Too much lobbying. Typically american problem

>>129307523

Drone development and drone research.

>>129315324

Questioning the Antifa actually makes you the fascist, fascist.

>>129315290
From the figures on integration it hurts but they can work with it.
Islamic takeover its a meme

>>129315234

This. There's a reason we gave Germany the political power and France the nukes.

France and Germany would actually have to agree for something bad to happen. Oh wait. Shit.

>>129307523
You need a million man army kraut. Glad to see you guys getting on your feet again.

>Naval spending
Other than a Baltic fleet, the Germans should just spend on making their army bigger

>>129315354
It's not just money, they are decades behind. Look at russian t-50, they started in like 2000, first flew in 2010 and it still isn't ready.

>>129307523
border fences and border guards

now fuck off commie

A beautiful WALL in Mediterranean from Spain to Greece.

>>129315234
Strong European military's will strengthen our alliance. China and Islam are the real enemies of whites outside of jews. We all need to be strong for the hard times ahead.

>>129307523
God damn it, we gotta start building bunkers again. Pls don't go reich mode

>>129307523
SPACE FLEET
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>>129310071
I hope Trump leaves you guys in the breeze. You're not even European anymore, you're basically Society Union 2.

>>129315996
>US
>Canada
>New Zealand
>white countries in 2030

??

>>129307523
You'll need 400bn on diversity and inclusion officers for your migrant army.

>>129316246
We're the heavily armed and violent descendants of genocidal land grabbers. I have nothing to worry about. Just hope we don't cross the ocean after our blood lust awakens.

>>129307523
>Leopard 3 tank

Literally why? Leopard 2s are already the third or fourth best tanks in the world and the nations ahead won't let you pass them for long

We dont need any aircraft Carriers because we shouldn't get involved in any stupid ass overseas adventures. Save that money for.something else.

What we need are more
Frigates
Long range Missiles
Nuclear arsenal of about 40
New and improved airforce
More Panzerhaubitzen
expansion of the army to 300k peacetime
20k Quick Reaction Force just in case with logistics for deployment in place

>>129316630
Oh and a Drone Program
Call the drone Thor and the hellfire type missles it'll fire Hammer please

>>129307523
>What should we use this money for?

It will be spend on gibs for your new doctors and scientists

This idea that Germany will re-militarise is a fantasy

>>129307523

Concentration camps and enough gas to deal with your muslim infestation.

>>129316630
Aircraft carriers are really expensive and it would take time to train your crews. It would be nice to see you guys field some advanced missile cruisers and subs. I'm glad we finally stopped using NATO to keep you down. Exciting time to be alive isn't it?

Why the hell is Germany getting armed?

>>129307523
10 figdet spinners

>>129313920
>Germany ends up building carriers just in case America gets froggy
>They get blown up immediately by superior American firepower
>Boy I wish we had spent that money on practical weapons to counter America rather than spending all that money on a floating target that got preemptively blown up

You shouldn't post in threads like this when your only military knowledge if from cowadooty

>>129316998
Merkel sees Trump demanding payment and Britain inspiring others to possibly leave as the prefect excuse for a power grab and raising of an EU army

Germany really needs 300 u-boats, just like Donitz said. Realistically, Russia is still the most likely enemy, and having 300 u-boats in the area will basically grind all Russian Navy activity to a halt. That will basically cripple all Russian naval activity, which is more than half of Russia's game.

Beyond that, a much larger army, and an army that practices the art of combined arms assaults. So more advanced tanks, artillery, and a much larger air force. That'll be the war of the future.

>>129309869
Out of German white guilt they would be your officers

>>129307523
Free aircraft carrier for its north-western neighbour

>>129307523
A few gas chambers?

>>129314502
>Anti-missile systems are a meme

>Not also using them to protect strategic assets
How do you expect to keep getting them GDP bux when all your citizens are dead

>>129311667
Amen bruddah

>>129317162
>>129317260
The krauts aren't our enemy. We may bicker with their shitty cunt leader but we're still military allies.
The western world finally reaching its military potential is a good thing.

>>129307523

>doesn't even consider the mantainance cost of all that equipment

I thought Germans were supposed to be smart?

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>>129307523
Yes but your government won't because they are pussies that have exploited the Pax Anglo to build yourselves up from the war and become de facto ruler of Europe.

>>129307523
>We also need a nuke program and ICBMs. 500 MIRVs will do.
Not gonna happen lad. There's a reason why we and Britain have nukes and you don't.

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>>129307523
Free gun for every refugee.

>>129307523
>What should we use this money for?
looks like you guys could use a wall on your border

FUCK NIMITZ

PARK IN MY SHIPYARD AND FUCK UP MY MORNING COMMUTE ONE MORE TIME

YOU FUCKING DICKCUNT

>>129307757
Their country will still be under occupation though lel

>>129312277
Always comforting to know Europe will always need America :/ good luck next time I doubt America will help maga

>>129307523
>nuke program
NOPE...
No no nope nope nope

>>129307523

Spend it laughing at trump for being a fuckwit.

>>129307523
>>129316630

I would suggest: a full-spectrum space program aimed at best standard spy satellites, plus an independent redundant satellite positioning system.

Stealth cruise missiles - mobile launchers for 60% of them, Submarines for long-range deployment of 20%, maybe 12 subs with naval assets to get them out into the Attantic. 1000 nukes total, subs also with conventional missiles.

And you will have to remove the inserted Kebab sooner or later. But that is a police matter at least this decade.

>>129312953
Not a chance kraut, we don't want to be involved in your bullshit hell we won't even shake your hand

>>129307523
or we just tell the usa to fuck off and be done.

Fun Facts,

Its america who has enemys, so let them pay.
Its america only witch is causing trouble, let them pay.
Its america only who profits from hiding behinde nato, time to make them pay.


Fun Fact, Germany did add zero enemys to the pact while america has did at least 5.

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>>129307523
Start building guns, tanks, and u-boats. Quadruple the size of the army. Train the elite volunteers to be shock troops and the pride of the Wehrmacht. There are parts of Germany still in Polish hands. Take them back. Prussia is Germany.

>>129317457
we'll be their allies until they gain the capacity to project military and political influence themselves. A military buildup is only good to a certain extent

>>129307523

Don't u want to buy us some phi phi shrimps?

>>129317551
you offerd us protection, but we cant count on it any more so we go our own way.

Mark my words 24 hours and we have our fist tactical nuke.

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>>129307523
WAR! HER! YEAH!
WHAT ISN'T IT GOOD FOR...?
AB-SO-LUTE-LY NOTHIN'!!

>>129317897
>Germany did add zero enemys to the pact
>everyone in Europe loves Germans
pick neither

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>>129317845
>a full-spectrum space program
This

The american niggers abandoned humanity's progress in Space for absolutely retarded reasons, it's about time for someone else to step up and take the torch. Do it Germany, force the EU to expand in Space.

>>129314502
We just finished knocking down an ICBM. If anti-ballistic missile technology like THAAD is just a meme then why do other countries shit their pants every time we deploy it?

>>129307523
>We also need a nuke program and ICBMs. 500 MIRVs will do.

turks with nukes? sounds bad

>>129317897
>hiding behinde nato
We're over 70% of NATO mate.
>>129317828
>Spend it laughing at trump for being a fuckwit.
Why do Europeans keep acting like this isn't what Trump wants? He wants the rest of NATO on its feet. Hell, he even said immigration was a security issue when he was there.
>>129317944
>we'll be their allies until they gain the capacity to project military and political influence themselves.
I think we'll be fine even then. Having the Germans guard Europe will allow us to be more flexible in our deployments. If they can project force they can help in mutual defense as well.

>>129307523
You guys are alright by me and almost everyone I know. I would trust you with nukes. Have you even visited? I drive over the border to shop at least four times a year.

>>129318066
oh yes they do while america hate is at a all time high.

Iraq is still not forgotten and the murder on innocents. Dont be such a autist and take /pol as guideline.

Real world spins left side son. And there is a bullet with your name on it, not mine.

>>129317457
You clearly didn't understand what I was saying at all. I was pointing out how stupid >>129313920 was for thinking that wasting money on carriers would save them even if we hypothetically started a war with Germany

>>129312427
Lol we literally use your country as a training ground for our troops, a friend is in sennelager right now

>>129318192
and you are 100% the cause of problems in nato.

So you should pay 100%, you are truly retarded if you think we will fight in the name of america under american control so you can gain more power.

>>129307523
Problem with giving EU or Germany an army is they go overboard and invade random countries.

>>129318298
>I was pointing out how stupid
Yeah I was backing up your point by saying we won't fight them.
>>129318240
>Iraq is still not forgotten and the murder on innocents
Fuck Iraq. My only regret is that we didn't encircle their population centers and burn them to the ground with everyone inside.
>>129318358
Yeah you're a salty muslim cunt I get it.

>>129316937
Sea superiority is part of relying on NATO. Europe should have a leverage on naval battlefield. US has too much of a hegemony on sea.
We can still cooperate but you are running too wild

>>129307523
>on the military in the next 10yrs.
>What should we use this money for?

>and 12 months conscription for both men and women, jacking up the military size to 600,000.

Welp.... An armed and trained mujahadien is going to invade the Netherlands soon...

God I hate Deutschland so ficky ficky much

>>129318358
>you are truly retarded if you think we will fight in the name of america under american control
I don't see it being in the cards either, but only because you'll be flying the black flag within the decade.

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>>129318476
nah tyrone I am your demise, this is the fall of america.

No increase in payments no increase in troop numbers and you are overpaying like the soviet union. You also falling like the soviet union.

>>129307523
No this is what Germany need.
More tanks/new tank leopard 3, Aim to get more than 3,000 tanks minimum.
More Panzerhaubitze, More MLRS.
Conscription 12-18 months for males only, civilian service for women.
Nuclear weapons program with the launchplatforms being Subs/aircraft/Mobile land based (something simular to the Russian Topol M)
More long range SAM systems.
More frigates/corvettes, More Diesel electric subs (Germany should be ashamed for having as many subs as Sweden does today) Cruisemissles, More IFVS.
Estimated GDP needed for all of these upgrades is about 3,2-3,5% of GDP which i think every country should have as minimum.

>>129318477
>Sea superiority is part of relying on NATO.
What's wrong with relying on mutual defense? We've always done that.
>Europe should have a leverage on naval battlefield.
Do whatever you can afford man IDC.
>We can still cooperate but you are running too wild
How? And you don't decide military policy FYI.
>>129318659
Keep larping sunni filth.

>>129318599
and again wrong ISIS wants you death, say thank you to saudi arbia and your self for creating this menace. One reason more to throw out america.

You retards did it with al quaida and now you did it again with ISIS.

You cunt trust a american.

>>129314741
You could have nukes right now if you wanted them, you have the facilities, knowledge and resources to do so

>>129318105
>why do other countries shit their pants every time we deploy it?

Only counties with primitive missile technology like China and North Korea. Russian missiles have built in capabilities to defend against interceptor missiles, like deploying decoys mid flight. There's also such thing as a saturation attack which is used to clear the airspace for the big ICBMs to start hitting.

>>129318766
no larping here faggot, ex BW.

Now fuck of mein continent spaßt.

>>129307523
Power projection is a bit of a waste of money for Germany though, no? Why would they need aircraft carriers?

>>129307523
it doesn't matter what you buy, as long as America get's 2% of your GDP in return for sustaining their Milt industry complex

That's the entire game here, even when America isn't at war, the following countries will spend 2% of their GDP per year on American weapons, further propping up the american military industrial complex.

Albania, Belgium, Bulgaria, Canada, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Netherland, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Turkey, United Kingdom,

All of these countries will spend 2% of their GDP on American weapons.

>>129318860
I'll laugh when the krauts get pissed enough to start gassing you.

>>129307952
Who do you think the conscripts are going to be

>>129318850
>Russian missiles have built in capabilities to defend against interceptor missiles, like deploying decoys mid flight. There's also such thing as a saturation attack which is used to clear the airspace for the big ICBMs to start hitting.
Well this is true, but Russia is about to be Germany's problem again so who cares

>>129318766
>What's wrong with relying on mutual defense? We've always done that.

There is no mutual defense if all you can offer is enemys and no benefits.


You hide behind our citizens you want to use our country's our homes as future battlefield and as future poker chip so you can safe your worthless ass.


Its your bases that are targets for your enemys not ours.

You offer nothing. If you want to fight do it on your own soil not ours. Let american city's burn let american citizen and children die NOT OURS!

>>129319003
I assume Russia's saturation attack is it hordes of gopnik football hooligans

>>129318914
says the faggot that calls names others.

You got zero arguments against me and I am 100% right.

get rekt son.

>>129318476
>Thinking that anything less than glassing the entire region would solve it's problems

Massacring civilians would just make other Western countries hate us and would only make the insurgency problem worse. Dropping a nuke wouldn't instill hate as much as fear. Other countries hating us wouldn't help, but having them fear us would work in our favor by reinforcing the status quo.

>>129319067
>>129319127
Yeah,nah. You're just a muslim cunt.

Post-war Germany is a cuck-state

>>129318766
>you dont decide policy
This is exactly the reason. Europe needs to stand together and potentially partner up but stand independently. Especially on policy.
France and Germany can muster up decent force and even Czech republic has pretty well trained anti-chem warfare units and military hospitals.
Britain can fuck off they always obstructed such idea. This is the step we need to make to solidify our standing on a global stage. Not acting like a bundle of vassal states

>>129318803
>and again wrong ISIS wants you death, say thank you to saudi arbia and your self for creating this menace. One reason more to throw out america.
Even if true, so what? You're the ones who will be overrun by them, not us. You won't even fight back because that'd be racist lmao

>>129319003
Russia is not Germany´s or the EU´s enemy idiot, inform your self before writing such idiocy.

They are after you not us.
http://www.zeit-fragen.ch/en/numbers/2017/no-8-4-april-2017/movement-in-german-russian-relations.html

>>129319291
Yeah? Will they not be Germany's enemy when they're gobbling up the Baltic? What about when they finish off Kiev, will they be Germany's enemy then? How about when no one wants to join your queer little social club anymore because you can't protect them from Moscow?

>>129319184
No man, you misunderstood me. I was talking about you personally. Europe does have a say in policy and always has. We've had disagreements even during the cold war but we always pull together in a general sense. There's no need to fight IMO. You guys bring a lot to the table and should have a larger role, that's why you should meet the 2%.
>>129319155
Iraq would be more peaceful if it was a depopulated international gas station. People complain no matter what we do from my experience.

>>129319214
no we wont fight back because it kills you. you lost already the control over the middle east and iran and russia have taken over.

Just a question of time until you got zero control.

>>129319184
agree on that, the Americans need to leave they are a security threat.

Spain should support Anglo countries, we are bankrupt ,help us Americans against this german empire.

>>129319375
how about you inform your self before again making claims that a 5 year old can destroy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_the_European_Union

we can take you on. Russia is not the enemy of the EU.

>>129307523
wow you've been ripping us off 400 billion dollars? you can start by sending me a check

Also, massive number of pesticide canisters to get rid of parasites

>>129319559
>delusions of grandeur
I'm your Huckleberry. It'll just end like it did last time.

air force and navy are extremely important, but germany could benefit largely from a good land force as well (infantry/cavalry)

i think missile shield tech is also extremely important

>>129319379
2% is just a media term to simplify
Building up a military does not mean you just buy tanks. Its a pretty complex issue and Germany will most likely start a complex system of investments and that takes time to set up. Long term goals such as aircraft carriers will take a long time to outfit the industry for.
And if any country can pull it off its Germany. Your R&D programs are a money drain and usually follow a lobbyists interests and not the coutnry.

>>129319457
Sure just one thing plz.
No taking clay Germany. Remember last time.

>>129319688
and again trying the red scare, last time we had the Nazi in charge now you got him.

Times have changed. Looks like you get your shit finely pushed in.

You gota go back tyrone.

>>129318864
>Why would they need aircraft carriers?
To bomb Iceland, obviously.

>>129309508
each member of NATO has to spend a certain minimum to maintain their military capabilities, they don't send it to NATO directly

>>129309652
no, you're spending money on US bases in Europe. if we as European nations started paying their own military, you could pull back your own bases/soldiers and let us defend ourselves

>>129319766
no clay taking, promise!

This times are over, Germany guardian of EU!

Or for the idiots, so they understand.

You dont shit on the table you eat from.

Front line infantry with no upgrades. Zerg rush mode.

>>129310399
>UK below Estonia for some reason

really triggers my OCD

>>129307523
U-boats and drones

>>129317639
>looks like you guys could use a wall on your border
That would not count as military spending.

>>129319714
>2% is just a media term to simplify
>Building up a military does not mean you just buy tanks. Its a pretty complex issue and Germany will most likely start a complex system of investments and that takes time to set up. Long term goals such as aircraft carriers will take a long time to outfit the industry for.
Yes, that's why they're trying to get there by 2024. It takes time to build up. Hopefully it'll energize your economy to some extent.
>And if any country can pull it off its Germany.
I think all of you can get there. If I remember correctly Estonia is there now.
>Your R&D programs are a money drain and usually follow a lobbyists interests and not the coutnry.
Our MIC is a bit of a mess but it's good for our economy. Economic interdependence between the US and EU is a good thing because it strengthens ties and promotes technology sharing which strengthens all of us by combining our talent. Europe has a lot to offer.

>>129317535
>>doesn't even consider the mantainance cost of all that equipment
>I thought Germans were supposed to be smart?

We just get rid of the equipment once we produced it.

This is smart.

>>129318240
>Iraq is still not forgotten and the murder on innocents.
Inshallah.

>>129319891
>be Russian chilling in occupied Poland
>misty day
>look down the street
>see figures through the mist
>slowly come into view as they get closer
>hundreds of krauts with fixed bayonets running towards you

>>129307523
funny, the truth is you're cucked out and you'll be speaking Arabic in about 5 years time. You'll be lucky if there is even a civil war before ww3 actually kicks off.

>>129319876
That's exactly what I'm afraid of, the EU. The oligarchs will most likely expand the military, but in an EU army, which actually is being developed right now...

>>129315343
>The US has a GDP of $18B.

what?
I think you mean 18T

>>129319834
The point is not that we defend our selfs the point is they dont want to leave but also want more controll.

You see child, all america gains from europe is

A)
A future battlefield that IS EUROPE not the USA

B)
If they fail witch Americas track record is 90% of the time they have a bargaining chip, us to sell to Russian to save there worthless ass.
C)
Modern battlefield doctrine against modern army´s demands the USE of WMD´s, they want ti use them on your soil not american.

D)
We would be a direct threat to american hegemony and they dont want that, the american nigger thinks he is better then you while leeching wealth and power from you so he can life cheap and safe while its your ass on the line.


Its time the american fears and overpays for eve thing not the European.
Its time the leeching of our economy's with the petrol dollar ends. Its time the Americans shit them self.

Understand that the EU is Superior to america in any regards united divided they play against each other.

Its time for a Euro revolution and its time to drive the amerniggers back in to sea.

>>129319891
meanwhile German inf runs around with land warrior system while Americans still use hand signs,

>>129319766
No.
Gib Sudetenland.

>>129320295
you're fucking retarded m8

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>>129320398
Not really an area with a German majority is it, eh?

>>129320420
Nein mein Kind I am very clear and honest with you.

This How I did write it is the 100% truth and nothing then the truth.

This>>129320295
is the strategic situation.

>>129320295
>Understand that the EU is Superior to america
America is far better than this shitty continent filled with sadniggers and half of countries are in bankrupt with huge unemployment,dont forget the inmigration crisis and terrorists attacks.Oh fuck yes, Europe is a shithole, well more like Europe Union is really shit

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>>129312381
They will not go to war against Russia. That would be suicide.

>>129310793

Germany is what 80m people? And only 200k "soldiers"? Hans im dissappointed in you, as Hitler would be.

Finland is 5.4m people AND 2m soldiers. Get on our level. Try to invade us you will die, guaranteed.

>>129320559
We can fix that.

>>129320621
and all that because of petrol dollar.

where the fuck you think your money is going?

You understand that money traded in dollar benefits america not spain?

What you got from that?
overpriced oil jobs lost to Americans and as reward you get swarmed by niggers from Africa because america did blow up the nigger gates of Africa to destroy you.

but hey idiot, pay more for the your army, waste money, fight for america so they have a monopoly on you and they can leech more wealth from your nation so some nigger over the sea can pay 1 dollar a gallon gas and sleep safely and quite while you a first strike target for all and every enemy of america.

wow you are a idiot truly.
Worst deal ever for Europe, time to change that, time to make a new deal.

>>129320777
fuck off Ramstein nigger

>>129316190
this! fuck this gay earth

>>129307523
>wanting to get the shitty F35

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more of this

You sure you can get all that for $400B?

>>129310116
Germany doesn't need nukes. It's better off without them actually.

>>129321734
what we need or dont need is our thing.

I am 100 for the thermonuclear option.

>>129320621
>>129319492

Shill detected. Gtfo.

>>129319157
was that just a bit too real for you, Juan?

>>129321680

400B more. We're already spending a lot

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>>129307523
sure thing kraut, go on and make your jihad army

>>129322092

And most of it is currently going into freaking daycares for the army bases or the bottomless gaping maw that is the development of the A400M

>>129322078
Go dodge an airstrike subhuman.

>>129307523
Yeah 400 billion over 10 years isn't going to buy you anything close to all that.

>>129307523
Aircraft carriers for a quite land-locked country is stupidity. Besides only threat in region is Russia.

What they should buy is:
- new tanks
- more fighter jets
- missle defense
- new infantry equipment

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>>129320295
>Thinking Germany will ever be able to be a threat to America in your lifetime


Keep dreaming Hans, your puny army won't even be able to deal with the upcoming German Arab spring, much less the greatest military force the world has ever seen

>Thinking America would ever have to kneel to Russia
They might be scary to you guys, but the US could easily beat Russia in a conventional war, you're absolutely delusional.
Really shows how uneducated you are

You need as much kebaab removal as you can afford.

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>>129320295
Spend it on the Deutsch-Niederländisches Korps and we will kick the burgers out of Europe.

>>129322617
>>Thinking Germany will ever be able to be a threat to America in your lifetime
we already are, BW can deal without a problem with the US forces in Germany and sinks two r three CBG with the Intel we have on you, from defense to economy we can bring down you nation.

America is paper tiger, so I an or impressed or scared.

Now fuck of Tyrone you got to spend more millions in to your faild army and go bankrupt.

>>129323010
one of the places that would need more funding. As long the Netherlands dont spend the money on US equipment.

We need to get more independent, wasting funding in to the US defense economy is mistake.

>>129322301
witch is still better then america HC130 that needed 50 years.

I rather invest in A400M that is competitor a guaranty of independence then waste funding on american or other products.

It took us by far less time and less money to develop the A400 then other country's did try it with there own airplanes, fuck Lockheed and Martine.

A400M all the way!

>>129323300
We need the develop our own equipment indeed. Perhaps we should develop our own fighter jets and guns with a steady group of countries.

>>129323064
>Making such wild claims without proof
>Honestly believing that Germanistan has the "Intel" to topple America and not the other way around

I didn't know that refugee semen could make people this delusional, you learn something new every day

Don't worry though Hans, keep on trucking with that optimism and maybe your country will still be around in 30 years

>>129323979
yeah yeah tyrone and america is untouchable
legts meet at the world trade center..

oh, you missing something.

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>>129307523
we already have the strongest weapon in the wörld

>>129324300
>German """humor"""
Just stick to what you're good at and give Mohammed they keys to your truck

>Still waiting on that proof

>>129320741
>Finland is 5.4m people AND 2m soldiers.
No, you are not. Finland has 8,000 professional soldiers. And 25,000 conscripts. Conscripts cannot be used in any real war, as they get exactly 3 times the opportunity to shoot with life ammunition during their basic training in Finland.

>>129308802
that shit makes me so hard

>>129325783
and professional solider dont live long enough to make anything out of there training in a real war.


You need the numbers of conscripts to make up for looses that o cure in thousands, your veterans will be the once who survive.

you got 20 seconds upon enemy contact before your dead.

>>129325380
>Still waiting on that proof
you sit in your bases protected in by Germans soldiers while we have the numbers and the potions and knowledge of all you bases ammo dumbs equipment names of the soldiers and there family's.

Your outnumber´d out gunned and planed.
But, most importantly you are over stretched and over expended thru the while globe with enemys closing in from all sides.

>>129307523
> F-35
Hell no.
And carriers are not really useful for us because dont require water to land dominance.

And a tank army is pretty much outdated since the 80s, now even a normal footsoldier with anti tank missiles can easily take care of them while costing less, being a harder to track target and being easier to deploy.

If anything we should pour money into automated warfare, missile systems for both defense and attack and equipment for fast response.

>>129325783
25,000 conscripts being trained this year yes but Finland has over 900k reservists that could be mobilized and equipped.

>>129326615
>900k reservists
None of them can shoot straight.

Also, what good are 900k reservists if only 40k rifles exist? Are you saying in case of war, they will be fitted with broomsticks?

What we should buy is a shitton of SSBNs.
Nuclear Powered Uboats fitted with ICBMs.

Then we need a shitload Attack U boats.

When this is done we send those subs on patrol around the world.

Then we need more cruisers and destroyers and better Anti Submarine defense.

Then we need a better Airforce.
Lets build a Stealth eurofighter and a long range stealth bomber.

Then we need our own cruise missile programm.

Fucking list goes on and on

and also the G11 as standard service rifle.

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>>129326872
>None of them can shoot straight
That's probably what the Russians said

>>129307523
>What should we use this money for?
More housing for refugees

>>129309401
Simple, spend it on forming a militia to kick out the liberals and "Refugees". Defend your kith and kin!

>buying the terrorist kike puppet inbred weapons
Great idea Akhmed

>>129307523
Nice pipe dreams but we all know it will go towards recruiting a more diverse military

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400 billion dollars?
By golly, for that kind of money you could get at least 1/4th of an american fighter jet!

>>129307523
Tanks are useless, just buy a shit ton of f35s -America

>>129307523
>let's buy all this shit so we can give it to muzzies in a generation.
No Hans, think before you act for once.

>>129326872
>None of them can shoot straight.
Most of them do refresher training.
> what good are 900k reservists if only 40k rifles exist?
There is enough rifles to supply all of them, Standard issue rifles like tp-95/rk-62 are what those 40,000 that are counted, there is hundreds of thousands of Type 56/Former east-German aks in storage aswell.
That is not an issue.

Krauts will start ww3

>>129328014
Finland has 40k combat rifles. 40k. And only a few million rounds of ammunition in reserve. At 900k reservists with 40k rifles, you will end up with 24 men platoons with 1 rifle and 50 rounds. So each person can shoot twice at the Russkies before being killed and handing the rifle over to the next Mongol.

>>129312427
>doesn't know he is living in a British occupied country as we speak
heh

>>129307523
germany gdp is 3.3 trillion

current military spending 40 billion

2% would be 66 billion, so 26 billion more, not 400 billion more

German intelligence everyone. you are all fucking retards

>>129328735
Finland has 40k ACTIVELY used rifles with hundreds of thousands of them in storage.

>http://forums.gunboards.com/archive/index.php/t-54351.html
Yes there could be an issue with ammunition not feeding as intended as most of these rifles are shit-tier norinco aks, But they have loads of these rifles purchased ages ago.
Not that it matters as wars are not won by smallarms anymore.

>>129329142
>2% would be 66 billion, so 26 billion more, not 400 billion more
>you are all fucking retards
>OP reads as follows: "To get to 2% of GDP military spending, Germany needs to spend 400 billion more on the military in the next 10yrs."

Swiss education everyone. And we have to deal with these retards on a daily basis. Fucking mountain people.

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>>129329389
so that would be 260 billion, not 400

Switzerland has much higher scientific output per capita than germanistan

stay jelly german scum and don't forget to prep the bull :^)

>>129307523

You will probably just spend it all arming and training the 80% of refugees that arw single fighting age men who arent interested in working anyway. Because you are fucking germany and are self-destructive masochists

>>129326362
I don't think you want to see our total war economy. We'd have a tomahawk missile for every German citizen. You krauts would be scoured from the world and Germany would be given to France and Poland to recolonize.

>>129329152
Forgot to mention that the bulk of these rifles are rk-62s which Finland has 350,000 of.

>>129318240
Pretty hateful there Jerry >>129319067
I smell bacon you know that faggy prophet Mohammed (glad he is dead) says that's bad to eat bacon

>>129322078
Jesus you shitslamists need too get with the times

>>129326362
>Implying America wouldn't pull out of Germany to prevent this from happening

>Honestly believing even if you did catch us off guard, you've only provoked the beast

I know you're retarded and j shouldn't be entertaining and this, but what's your plan even if you did wipe out the small fraction of soldiers stationed in Germany? You know we have soldiers in other bases throughout the region right?

And what makes you think that, even if the Stars aligned and you did actually complete this task, that we wouldn't nuke the shit out of you? Even without nukes, our arsenal of guided ordinance would destroy every single strategic asset within a few hours. Your airfields, your weapons depots, your motor pools, barracks, everything. There'd be nothing left. You would have lost everything within hours while we would have a lost a tank battalion or two. Other countries wouldn't dare attack us as you say because they'd get the same deal

I know you're probably a troll since I find it hard to believe that even the most patriotic of krauts would be this stupid but 4/10 for making me reply

>>129331908
and so would you, we have already nukes and we will us them on you. :-) and eye for a eye

please do so nuke Germany and get your reward.

Goat herders did drive two airplanes in you buildings what you think a first world country can do.

A nation that knows everything you have and where you have it.

I am no troll. This is 100% truth and you are a danger to the EU and German security.

I wont work my ass of so a nigger in US can live in peace and cheap while i have to slave around and fight against shit you have done.

America making only enemys no friends.
EU>USA any time every day everywhere