/ptg/ is cancer

>>129286932
Nigger control.

>>129286932
No abortion AND no welfare. Let's just see what happens

Many, many, many niggers are killed by abortion, something like 13 million per year, do you want 13 million extra niggers per year? Didn't think so.

>>129286932
>cutting abortions will prevent people from doing abortions anyway

lol

It's not that you should ban abortion, but make it morally wrong in the eyes of the public. Right now women have the incredibly stupid mindset of "my body my choice", with no regard that it's a human life in her.

So change the perception.

The black abortion rate will most likely remain the same as the morality of abortion doesn't really matter to them anyway.

>>129286932
I'm Catholic. I think that abortion should only be used if carrying the pregnancy to term will for sure kill the mother and child

Ye, abortions should be ok to do
Certain people shouldnt have kids (myself included)
At least making it ok means less fucked kids around

>>129287466
liberal cities would become chicagos and rural areas would all die from over doses

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>>129286932
Better pic

>>129287697

well if they want to shove coat hangers up their pussies or find black market doctors then more power to them

>>129286932
So what do you believe?

>>129286932
> the same places that do abortions also give out birth control
yeah, they give low dose contraceptives so that (((accidental))) pregnancies occur often if the woman takes the pill at a slightly different hour
abortionists should be jailed tbqh

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>>129288162
triggered

>>129287982
To the public, specially the atheist public, what is legal is often also moral.
>>129287697
Abortions go up with legalization, that's fact. You can check the figures.

>>129288363
Habing trouble focusing, anon

>>129288281

i tend to lean torwards anti-abortion, but at the end of the day it has 0 impact on my life either way

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Morals are subjective only because different gods rule the sky.

>>129287279
This. It's a necessary evil.

>>129288528
and political assassination, how do you feel about that

I don't care what the OP says, I just came here to post and say /ptg/ is cancer and they deserve the gas

>>129288652
depends on who dies and who kills them

>>129286932
It should not be illegal. However, the government should not subsidize abortion clinics.

Are you the arch villain two-face

>>129286932
>the govt shouldn't get to say what i do with my body

thing is, abortion isn't telling people what to do with their body, its telling them not to kill another person.

As for when abortion acceptable? Treat abortion like what it is, murder, and the question answers itself. Murder is ok in cases of self defence. Same with abortion.

>>129288652
I feel that it's a great (((tool))) for the (((elites))). Whenever they (((need))) a (((war))) or a leader is falling out of (((line))) and calling (((them))) out while taking measures against (((them))) they pull one of those (((stunts))).

>>129289027
You're confusing murder with homicide.

>>129286932

You want it, you pay for it. My wallet, my choice.

>>129286932
abortion good for shitskins, bad for whites, double good for white women who have shitskin baby daddies

I'd rather euthanasia was legal

>>129288922

Agreed.

>>129289032
You're trying really hard and making the rest of us look really bad

>>129286932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0aNxzF7MAk

>>129288068
I only am a little more liberal about it, I think it should also be acceptable if the kid has horrific birth defects and is going to die very early in life anyway.

>>129286932
Pol generally doesn't fuck so they're red pilled against it

>>129289291
I overused the echo half ironically, to trigger possible redditors

Illegal for whites. Encouraged for minorities.

The key question for abortion is "what race is it?"

>>129289373
>Pol generally doesn't fuck so they're red pilled against it
That's not true. I fucked your mom just last night.

>>129286932
Abortion should be allowed.

The reasons you do it are between you and God.

If your Dad raped you and you are carrying his genetically degenerate baby in you and you want to abort it, fine. I think God would understand and maybe forgive you (I can't speak for Him).

If you are just aborting a perfectly normal baby from a good man, then God will do what is appropriate with your life, whether he punishes you or not.

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>>129286932
>morals are subjective
Only if you are a faggot atheist.

For the sake of your soul, repent to the Lord Jesus Christ and save thyself from sin and final death.

>>129289827
jesus forgived the jews so checkmate christcuck

>>129289994
>jesus forgived the jews
lel

>>129289737
I mean, I get where you are coming from, but arguments similar could be made about a lot of other things. I think it should be illegal for the vast majority of cases with rare exceptions(similar to killing someone in self defense). Even in a rape case, I don't think that it's okay to kill the baby.

>>129286932
Anyone who supports abortion under any circumstance is a feminist and is the reason the decadent west is falling.
>bernie sanders
https://youtu.be/VW6CTlpxUb8
Is a dirty kike to the highest degree

>>129290170
i can see the logic here

it is not the babies fault its mother was raped

>>129286932
>Where does /pol/ stand on abortion?

Abortion doesn't kill patriots or conservatives or White nationalists.

Abortion saves ammunition and should be encouraged.

Abortion is cheaper than prison.

Abortion prevents the anguish many Whites would suffer from Dinduxican predators.

After considering this issue I not only favor pre-partum abortion, but retroactive abortion where the Dinduxican and the uterus that shat it into the world are destroyed.

>>129286932
As long as we have welfare, then I will wholeheartedly support abortion. It's much cheaper as a one time cost than a recurring cost of a kid. Especially considering that the kind of people who get abortions aren't responsible enough to raise kids anyways

>>129290170
Yeah but this is about abortion.

I don't think people should be legally obligated to raise whatever is put inside them. Imagine all the rapists that will take advantage of this just to force a woman to have their baby and keep it.

Or if we can verify that the baby will be unhealthy and suffer for its whole life.

The ones that do it just for the sake of escaping responsibility of an otherwise healthy baby, I have faith enough in God to know He gives them their due in life.

>>129290170
>>129290497
Well, abortion in case of rape is basically sentencing an innocent to the death penalty for the actions of another guy.

>>129290575
>Abortion doesn't kill patriots or conservatives or White nationalists.
that's where you're wrong kiddo
do you realize the amount of comrades coming from leftard households?

>>129290655
Imagine all the rapists taking advantage of abortion to get scot free

>>129290685
but what if a black man raped your wife?

>>129287279
fpbp

>>129290497
it's not the mothers either, it's also not unreasonable for a woman to want to abort a rape child

>>129288115
So problem solved.

THE REAL PROBLEM IS WELFARE. CUT WELFARE, YOU CUT THE GHETTO PROBLEM.

YOU EITHER SHAPE UP OR STARVE WITH NO FOOD STAMPS.

>>129290806
1 of those options destroys the woman's life even further.

Oh wait, this is /pol/, we unironically hate women here and dun giv fuk, I forgot.

>>129290575
>>129290604
t. Feminist
>>129290685
You allow your wife or daughter to parade alone around strange men?

>>129290862
Whataboutism

people who get abortions should get a sterilization free of charge

the male too

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>>129290862
Give the little nigger up for adoption. Make sure the big nigger hangs from a tree.
I wouldn't let my wife have to deal with PTSD because of abortion, there's enough with the rape.

>>129290995
>what is post-abortion syndrome

>>129290967
I get that the mother might not want the child, but i think that she should put the baby into an adoption service. Now, the adoption services today are pretty garbage and need to be improved, but it's better than killing the baby.

>>129290999
>You allow your wife or daughter to parade alone around strange men?
What isolated neck of the woods area in America do you hail from?

>>129291163
Add free of choice to the mix too, i.e. mandatory.

Shouldn't be illegal, but ZERO government funding. Also should be looked down upon by society except for rape or to save the mother or in cases where the child will be born severely crippled

>>129290999
Nice trips.
You keep your wife locked up in your house?

>>129291381
>or in cases where the child will be born severely crippled
Negative eugenics is degenerate

>>129291132

should we not plan for different scenarios?

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>>129291333
>>129291444
wow I'm on a trips roll

>>129291239
Like I said, forcing a certain option will be the wrong way to go about it. A woman that feels terrible about aborting her rape-baby is on the right path.

If your wife was raped by a black man and she had 3 niglet babies, would you happily raise them? You'd be legally obligated to under your statutes.

>>129291542
>would you happily raise them? You'd be legally obligated to under your statutes.
>what is adoption

>>129286932
Murder plain and simple.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't prevent certain people from reproducing though. Just use other means than abortion.

>>129291542
Oh and BTW you're overlooking how hard it is for a woman to get pregnant, specially under duress. Miscarriage is also common.
>>129291600
agreed

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>>129291522
self checking

>>129291271
>>129291382
You are a cuck if you let your wife do this, you probably get off on her dressing whorish in public.

It kills niggers, how can anymore see this as a bad thing.

>>129287466
>>129287466
>No abortion AND no welfare. Let's just see what happens
You'd have millions of angry people with nothing to lose.

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>>129291888
>t. trippy achmed
A proper woman grabs the would-be-rapist and rapes him with her handgun

>>129292137
Sound like a jewish nightmare

>>129291595
You'd force your wife to labour 3 black niglets and then throw them into an adoption agency....

hahaha

ok 1. What if your wife decides to keep them? I mean, I guess you'll say you'll just leave her, but ok.

Lets say the niglets are in adoption agencies. Now there are 3 fatherless niglet babies who will probably grow up to be rapists themselves.

>What is social responsibility?

What you're suggesting is more degenerate than simple abortion.

Nobody on /pol/ is having kids and aborting niggers and retards will improve society.

>>129292248
>What if your wife decides to keep them?
yeah because women love to see the face of their rapist around them

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>>129286932
>Personally I think that abortion should not be an easy way out of responsibility, the same places that do abortions also give out birth control.
>On the other hand, the government should not tell people what to do with their bodies. Morals are subjective and you can not legislate them.

These can't both be true at the same time, OP.

>>129286932
Morals aren't subjective BUT the government has no place in telling me what religious laws I should and shouldn't follow. Weed and abortion should be legal, if for nothing else because I don't want my tax dollars chasing around weedman and doctors.

>>129292397
Once a woman has given birth, she is not likely to want to throw the baby away.

I mean some women do, but I think the vast majority of women produce hormones to make them feel attached to their babies, as such comes with the effort of labor.

>>129292457

that is why this is the subject of great controversy anon

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>>129286932
Every single day, HUNDREDS of thousands of people die, and, are born. Do you know anything op? Do you know how uncommon human life is?

Are your you familiar with overpopulation?
Did you know that the world population increases EXPONENTIALLY each decade?

Do you know what EXPONENTIALLY even means kid?

Did you know that the majority of abortions are done by minority women. Did you know that POOR niggers are fucking like jack rabbits, 10 random guys a week.
Did you know that its the IRRESPONSIBLE people are the type of people who get pregnant 'accidentally'

Did you know that most aborted babies were going to live a horrible, poverty stricken life.

Did you know those babies are the future criminals thst rob and murder your future children?

OP. You need to take some redpills and stop spewing conservative talking points. Stop listening to steven crowder. Stop using other peoples stances on life. All those people are essentially singaling their virtue with muh 'all life is precious' bullshit.

How about you use your pea sized brain op. Think for a minute. Realize how non precious life is. Realize the BURDEN of these babies being born. Realize the cliff known as overpopulation that we as a species are rapidly approaching.

And finally, realize that it's none of your business what other people do to their would be dead fetus. It literally doesn't effect you in the slightest. Sure, defund planned parenthood so your hard earned wagecuck shekels are put towards keeping nigger babies from overwhelming the system in 20 years, costing you MORE in taxes for their welfare.

As you see, my post has destroyed your thread. I dare you to reply. I'd love to embarass you further. Lets all point and laugh at the pea brained OP. We are all laughing at you op. Time to reset your modem. Time to get a new id because i just obliterated your current ID. Its over. RIP in peace. Reset thst modem and reply to me. I'll fucking end your 4chan career obfe and for all. I'll send

>>129292608
>religious laws
Just because religion says it's wrong it doesn't mean it's not wrong outside religious morals. With that logic we should legalize simple murder, since religion said it was wrong first.

>>129292841
Nigger

>>129292841
And for anyone who tells ke "reddit spacing", do yoursepf a favor and save the (you) becaus eyou are a fucktard newfaggot. Sorry but spacing out replies to avoid walls of text is AS OLD AS THE INTERNET. Most of you wouldn't know this because you got your first tablet 2 years ago kids. Sorry but I've been on 4chan since 2005. I've been apart of history. Ive stormed the pools of habbo. I know better then to fuck with football. Fall out tree. NEDM. I went to the old man's birthday

>>129292171
Youre almost there, having a woman avoid strange men is best, having her not wear whorish clothes like in your pic is not much to ask in a Christian marriage, and having her able and willing to stop an attack she couldnt avoid is assumed.

You really sound like a cuck with your comments, is this nu-pol?

>>129292841
>he fell for the Malthus meme

>>129292841
>Every single day, HUNDREDS of thousands of people die, and, are born. Do you know anything op? Do you know how uncommon human life is?


stop reading there

because the universe is thriving with humans right?

>>129292457
Morals arent subjective though when you have a Bible.

>>129292961
You sound like an insecure sandnigger tbqh. Enjoy your pet-tier women. Glorified beasts are not my thing.

>>129292921
Smells real summery in here.

>>129293179
>t.feminist

>>129292921
le narwhal bakons at midnite hurr durr
stop having white bbys goy

>>129293569
I guess you could call me a feminist if we're talking first wave.
I still believe that complementarity is what we should strive for. Put women at the tasks where they excel, do the same for men.

>>129292921
That was literally a wall of text with reddit spacing though. You put blank lines in the middle of paragraphs. You have to go back.

>>129293900


no


"reddit spacing" is very common
so people
dont have to
read walls of text

>>129286932
Considering overpopulation in the world we need more deaths, not less.

>>129286932
it kills alot of niggers, we need it

>>129294090
sure
you have to go back

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>>129294090
>reddit spacing is very common
It's almost like we're infested with plebbitors
>it's so every person doesn't have to read a wall of text
What are paragraphs for? Every sentence doesn't need a space you massive faggot

>>129293900
try to stay on topic

>>129294338
spoken like a true cuck
sweden will soon be muslim at this rate

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>>129294478

i dont think you know who the fuck your talking to sweetie

>>129290968
>CUT WELFARE, YOU CUT THE GHETTO PROBLEM.
We had ghettos before welfare. They were full of trashy whorehouses, opium dens, and criminal gangs who terrorized the entire city.

No welfare and no abortion. The crime rate is so high because right now there's no reason not to fuck like rabbits and pop out kids- you can either have them killed or collect single-mom welfare payments. The black community needs the nuclear family, and the way to bring it back is to kill welfare and abortion. Make them work and have responsible sex.

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>>129294677
>reddit spacing again
kek, you faggots can't help outing yourselves can you?

The the only difference between an abortion and a murder is the time at which it takes place. The controversy however comes to deciding when the critical point of the switch-over takes place.

Here are arguments for several points at which an abortion could be considered to become a murder:

1. Pre-Conception:
This argument states that a sperm cell and and an egg (cell?) are both half of a human, therefore the destruction of an egg or sperm is murder. This would mean that a women allowing herself to enter her period or a man masturbating would be murder. Birth control would also be murder.

2. Conception:
This one is easy, it states that a cell capable of reproducing with human DNA is a human, and therefore any action to destroy it is murder. This would rule out any form of abortion post conception.

3. First Trimester:
It is said by many that by the end of the first trimester the fetus has developed a brain and therefore can feel, and therefore is human. This would rule out abortion after the first trimester.

4. Birth:
This won't be very hard to digest for most, but some say when the child is born and free to the world it is human. Another angle could be to say it is no longer directly dependent on the mother and therefore an individual. This would rule out post birth killing of the child.

5: 6 Months Post Birth:
It could be said that a babies brain is not fully developed enough to retain any memories until it is 6 months old, and therefore it would make no functional difference whether they were aborted or they were shot in the head up to that point.

Quite frankly it is completely arbitrary which point you chose the be the murder-abortion line. Any other reasoning comes down to religion or ideology, neither which are evidence.

My personal opinion is that option 4 would be best, that promotes freedom of body without resorting to shooting babies in the face.

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>>129294677
>reddit space
>twitter meme
I know exactly who I'm talking to

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>>129295029

you cant stop me

>>129287279
this, americas pavement ape population would be triple what is now if not for botions

>>129286932
>so asshurt you made a thread crying about another thread that is on-topic that you can easily fucking hide and ignore
>there is a fucking filter system in place for you to fucking hide /ptg/ forever
>instead you bitch, moan, and throw a fit because there is a /ptg/
tell me again that you aren't a shill or antifa faggot

>>129287279
Unfortunately this. For 90%+ white nations, I'm strictly against it, but abortion is the reason we've been able to keep our nigger population under control.

>>129286932
>Where does /pol/ stand on abortion?
Depends on the race of the baby.

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>>129295267

>>129295237
option 2 seems to make the most sense. it already has human DNA which is different from the mother's. this means it is it's own being. and we know the DNA makes it human, so the only issue is that it isn't developed yet, which doesn't make it less of a person.

>>129295495
what are you on about?

>>129295237
>This argument states that a sperm cell and and an egg (cell?) are both half of a human, therefore the destruction of an egg or sperm is murder. This would mean that a women allowing herself to enter her period or a man masturbating would be murder. Birth control would also be murder.
that's fucking retarded and biologically illiterate feminist tier
>It is said by many that by the end of the first trimester the fetus has developed a brain and therefore can feel, and therefore is human. This would rule out abortion after the first trimester.
That's also pretty retarded because it's a continuous process so any point is arbitrary at best.
>This won't be very hard to digest for most, but some say when the child is born and free to the world it is human. Another angle could be to say it is no longer directly dependent on the mother and therefore an individual. This would rule out post birth killing of the child.
>It could be said that a babies brain is not fully developed enough to retain any memories until it is 6 months old, and therefore it would make no functional difference whether they were aborted or they were shot in the head up to that point.
Absolutely retarded, 5 more retarded than 4
>Quite frankly it is completely arbitrary which point you chose the be the murder-abortion line. Any other reasoning comes down to religion or ideology, neither which are evidence.
From the moment you have an unique individual, intentionally ending his/her life is murder. Doesn't take a genius.
>freedom of body
That's when someone decides to fuck or not and to use birth control methods or not.

>>129295571
We know from the DNA that it will be a human, when is up to your ideology.

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>>129295495
>muh delusional damage control reddit refuge
/ptg/ is truly a cancer on this board and serves no purpose other than a safe space for Trumpshills to collude their delusional narratives. Tell me what the point of it is? Everything Trump does gets its own thread anyway.
>Muh shills
Everytime

>>129295744
>that it will be a human
it IS a human
what else is it otherwise? a potato?

>>129295704
>That's also pretty retarded because it's a continuous process so any point is arbitrary at best.
That's the point, that when it becomes murder is arbitrary.

>>129295916
A zygote.

>>129295744
It has Human DNA and it is unique from any other human, it is quite obviously a human at conception, it can't be something else with human DNA at first

Bernie Sanders is retarded and to think millions of people would vote for him. Sad.

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>>129295969
A elephant zygote? A dolphin zygote?

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>>129292841

I am gonna end your 4chan career tuff guy.

>>129287279
it's always amusing to see how completely brainwashed /pol/ still is

just talk about abortion or cops and they're bootlicking the state in an instant.

newsflash: abortion doesn't control niggers it nurtures them to a 3 child replacement rate.

It has destroyed whites.

>>129295984
A sperm cell has human DNA that is unique from every other human.

>"just" 32%

I don't really need any more confirmation that Bernie is insane, but thanks.

>>129286932
Murder is murder however you look at it.
Unless the child is a legitimate threat to society then abortion is always wrong.

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>>129286932
Pic related

Abortion is the best weapon in the war on crime

>>129296058
A human zygote. Does human hair have it's own individual rights or should we leave the barbers be?

>>129286932
>Just 32%

What a fucking retard.

>>129296216 A sperm cell by itself wouldn't ever develop into anything, it needs the egg to complete it

>>129296305 removing a human hair doesn't kill the person. killing the zygote does kill the person

>>129296110
the modern white is more concerned with materialist goals than with the continuity of its race, that's why you look at the DINKs and they're mostly white. Also the guys who get vasectomies tend to be whites too. All because they've been brainwashed with hedonism. Their aspirations are those of beasts.

>>129289211
>>129287645
>>129287279
>>129288115
Don't forget the cultural enrichment going on in Sweden, Germany, France, Italy, Greece, ect

>>129296110
>How do we get rid of niggers?
Asks the man new to /pol/

>Stop killing their babies.
Responds Whitey McNotblack

>>129292841
(((Overpopulation)))

>>129296305
False equivalence
As usual, the pro-abortion crowd is unable to argue in an intellectually honest way

>>129286932
>3600 people
>30% of all pollution
not even worth it.

>>129294991
spoken like a true idiot

>>129286932
Ban abortions and people will STILL find a way to get them, usually in shady back alleys with 20th century tools. Then they could get a nasty infection and die.


Allow abortions, tax it, and see the government making a lot of profits on it, and the people get what they want, no unplanned parenthoods, no stupid teenagers getting pregnant and destroying the rest of their lives because they were stupid to forgot to use condoms.

As a Christian, I say that my church SHOULD NOT dictate what you do with your life, you have a conscious, you have a basic notion of what's right and wrong and you have free will to make your own life choices.

The other's don't pay your monthly bills, so you shouldn't care anyway.

>>129296752
he's not wrong you know, there was a time when niggers were tamed

>>129296489
>A sperm cell by itself wouldn't ever develop into anything, it needs the egg to complete it
Then would denying it an egg make you culpable to the human that would be's destruction?

>removing a human hair doesn't kill the person. killing the zygote does kill the person
Which would require you considering a zygote to be a human, and since we have now shown that that just because something is a "human" item, does not make it a human, rather than a "dolphin".

>>129287697
>banning people from shooting up school/college/government buildings will stop people from shooting them up anyway

lol

>banning murder will stop people from murdering anyway

lol

>banning rape will stop people from raping anyway

lol

>>129286932

I think it is disgusting and morally reprehensible, but I think that women will do it regardless if it is legal or not, so we should have it be legal and regulate it so at least you know the people getting it done are more or less safe, but we should ban all abortion past the first trimester. Also, I would like to see waiting periods and mandatory counseling.

>>129296854
>Then would denying it an egg make you culpable to the human that would be's destruction?
the point is that sperm, by itself, is not a human and could not be a human. combining it with an egg makes them both into a human. also, why would a zygote not be considered human? its not a part of the body like hairs or livers, it is everything you are when you are first being developed.

I got an abortion w my ex a couple years ago. We were both in college, fucking way too much and not giving a shit about what may happen. When we found out, we both decided on it. I paid (it was early so only a few hundred) and we got it done easy as pie. But ever since I've felt like I made a mistake. My ex was a neurotic art school bitch so I'm glad she's out of my life, but I sometimes feel pangs of emotion and regret on not raising a good son with good genes. But then I realize she's a woman and she'd beat the ever-lovin fuck out of me in court and keep the kid and go on the public teat while she designed her graphic art murals and become a completely useless drag on society, raising a boy with the lies all single mothers tell their sons to make them feel better about keeping them from their fathers.

TL;DR Abortion breeds regret, but if you have the kid, odds are the bitch will tear your heart out and take the kid anyway. Don't bareback unless you're ready to be a dad and you can trust your bitch.

>>129296809
>Ban abortions and people will STILL find a way to get them, usually in shady back alleys with 20th century tools. Then they could get a nasty infection and die.
nice propaganda
protip: here in Uruguay there were no maternal deaths because of complications from abortion from 2007 to 2011. They legalized it in 2012 after there was a widely publicized death. Since then there have been at least two of them, that I know of. Safety isn't a matter of legality.
>As a Christian, I say that my church SHOULD NOT dictate what you do with your life, you have a conscious, you have a basic notion of what's right and wrong and you have free will to make your own life choices.
You're not a Christian then, you're a heretic who picks what parts of God's word to consider true and what parts to consider false. You think you're above God. May he have mercy of your soul.

>>129297305
>the point is that sperm, by itself, is not a human
> also, why would a zygote not be considered human?

It is an arbitrary distinction, there is a difference between a sperm cell and a zygote, but saying one is a human and one is not, is still an arbitrary classification.

Let the state handle it.

>>129297574
>there is a difference between a sperm cell and a zygote, but saying one is a human and one is not, is still an arbitrary classification
so there's a difference, but you don't care about the difference because it doesn't support your argument?

>>129296970
>Also, I would like to see waiting periods and mandatory counseling.
we have that here, in practice they don't exist and get bypassed
and when there's "counseling" it's just encouraging the woman to abort

>>129286932

Criminalize it for whites, legalize it for muds. Only cuckservatives and shitlibs fall for the binary option meme.

>>129296261
made me laugh out loud

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>>129297574
>It is an arbitrary distinction
Wrong

>>129297841
>so there's a difference, but you don't care about the difference because it doesn't support your argument?
That's a pretty ironic statement from someone who ascribes the same amount of worth to a zygote as to a real person.

>>129297841
The term human in as defined by a biologist is used to describe an organism that replicates based on a pattern of a specific subspace of the vector space that the DNA possibility spectrum spans. The size of this subspace was arbitrarily defined for ease of use in biology study.

For philosophy however, human is a moot term.

>>129298198
That's because a zygote is the first stage of a human being. Would you say that kittens aren't "real cats" because they aren't as far developed? and I know that zygote to adult is farther than kitten to cat, but it's the best analogy i could come up with

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>>129298198
A human zygote is a real person dumbass.
People with 23 chromosomes don't exist.

>>129298525
Being a separate egg and sperm cell could be said to be the first stage.

>>129298321
>arbitrarily defined
lul
go fuck a monkey and see if you can impregnate it
libtards are truly mentally ill

>>129298525
so there's a difference, but you don't care about the difference because it doesn't support your argument?

>>129298541
Real? Yes.
Person? Only if arbitrarily.
Dumbass? Yes, a zygote probably doesn't have very good mental capabilities.

>>129298635
two separate things can't both be the first stage, they are the first stage when they come together as one being

>>129298006
Only correct answer.

>>129298635
That's just the precursors. O2 and H2 aren't water. Only after you make them react you get water. This is the same thing. You're probably a gender studies major, judging by your supine ignorance.

>>129298927
Wrong. Offer them free sterilizations and encourage them. Why destroy the products when you can close the factory?

>>129298646
>go fuck a monkey and see if you can impregnate it
Funny thing about monkeys, they, similarly to us are both primates. Since we share a term that describes us does that mean we should we should treat them as our equals? Should we tax them?

Primate, like human is an arbitrary definition. Therefore the way we treat is other primates than humans is also arbitrarily decided.

>>129299063
>O2 and H2 aren't water
And a zygote isn't a person. A person has wants, for one.

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>>129299169
>it's arbitrary because I said so!

>>129298818
No they together as one arbitrarily defined unit is the first stage. That's the problem with arbitrary defined definitions, that they can be arbitrarily mapped to anything.

>>129299193
>A person has wants, for one.
now that's arbitrary
does someone cease to be a person because he's under the effects of general anesthesia?

>>129299277
Yes, because definitions are arbitrary.

Abortion is good. High percentages of abortions are performed on the loser welfare class. If abortion was illegal our country would be even worst off as it is now.

Morally is it wrong? Yes.

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I don't get it. Most of you would prefer is degenerate cultures did not exist, yet you want to keep them from aborting their babies.

Isn't the obvious choice to force degenerates into having abortions /pol/?

Save your race and what not.

>>129299412
You're introducing arbitrariness where there doesn't need to be any.
>>129299510
>t. emmanuel goldstein
Are you arguing semantics now?

>>129299538
abortion is a form of degeneracy

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>>129286932
Niggers abort more then whites by a vast amount as of right now. So as of right now I am pro abortion.

End of thread.

>>129286932
I am pro-life.
I don't believe in murdering babies because you couldn't be bothered to use a contraceptive or birth control.

>>129299618
Arbitrariness is fundamental to classification.

What is the difference between a zygote and a sperm cell, and why does that difference grant a zygote the right to live and not the sperm cell?

>>129286932

I am pro abortion. There are too many people. Parts of Africa, India, all of the middle east, and portions of China should be nuked with Neutron bombs to eliminate the population centers and delouse the Earth. Undeseriables in the un nuked areas would then be rounded up and sent to the nuked zones, where they would be nuked again. Bringing the world population down to a max of 2 billion or so and keep it there. With selective breeding based on ability and intelligence. Also introduce modern genetic techniques to breed superior humans. Once AI becomes a thing the superior humans will have an easier time integrating with the machines and create a master race of hybrid human/machine people, who will then conquer the stars.

>>129299443
so there's a difference, but you don't care about the difference because it doesn't support your argument?

If people want to legally kill babies that's for them to decide. What I am vehemently against is them dipping into MY WALLET to KILL BABIES.

Cut Welfare.
Cut Planned Parenthood.
Leave me and my money alone.

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>>129299802

Riddle me this. Babies go to heaven right?

Also its your duty to bring as many people into Christ's fold right?

Ergo, wouldn't taking a crusader sword through a pregnant Muslim womens belly be saving the child from eternal damnantion?

Deus Vult?

>>129299931
Abortions are cheaper than a lifetime of welfare.

>>129300106
Why pay for either?

>>129300106
That's why I said cut welfare too dummy.

>>129299806
It's not about rights, it's about nature. You don't kill a spermatozoid, it naturally dies. The natural process for a zygote is to fully develop into a person. The natural process for a spermatozoid is to either die (they're rather short lived, even if you don't engage in sexual acts they die in your testicles). Their life expectancy is around 48 hours if I recall correctly. In the case of the zygote, you're going out of your way to kill him/her. You're playing God, you're imposing your will on nature. So to equate the two, is fundamentally dishonest.

>>129300106

Or degenerates stealing your shit and raping your wife and children.

>>129299820
>lets murder babies to keep population control in check.
why don't we just kill old people and the mentally retarded?! they've proven to be worthless.
lets have a cull of the mentally infirm, the jobless and start a eugenics program.
Where's Bill Gates, we need to talk.

>>129300038
>Christ
stopped reading there m8

>>129300178
Be real. Neither will be cut. We're stuck with lazy ghetto trash mooching off the system. Nobody in our shit political system will do anything to stop the status quo.

>>129286932
>Riddle me this. Babies go to heaven right?
Has the baby formally and willingly accepted Jesus Christ as its lord and savior during its baptism?

>>129299884
It's a continuous process, and the difference in question he brought up isn't really something that sets a person apart from a non-person. It's sophistry.

>>129300178

You dumb fuck. They'll outbreed you and vote in welfare because you and your race were betas and now are the minority because you didn't encourage them to abort.

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>>129286932
A human is no better than animal until he can speak. So until we stop slaughterhouses it's specieism to mourn about abortions that much.

>>129300304

So God's an asshole and sends unborn babies to hell? Are you sure he isn't playing a bad joke on your and will laugh at you sending you to hell anyways?

Any Jew baby; mandatory abortion by stoning for attempting to procreate.

>>129300214
Ugly people and stupid people (below 90 IQ) should be sterilized. Boom. Our nation's problem's fixed.

>>129300424
That too

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>>129300038
Or maybe condemn him to the limbo, who knows.
also
>implying a muslim can't be saved
don't you put limits on the grace of God

I have another question though... If I took my crusader sword made of flesh through a Syrian woman's pussy and impregnated her, would I save her from eternal damnation? Deus Vult?

>>129300192
>You don't kill a spermatozoid, it naturally dies.
Okay what about birth control then?

>You're playing God, you're imposing your will on nature.
And? Religion is not evidence. We have been imposing our "will" on nature for many thousands of years.

>>129300421
They go to Limbo since they didnt actually commit sin but still had original sin on their soul

>>129300285
>what are tax cuts
>what are concurrent cuts to welfare programs since they no longer become viable due to tax cuts
Nigga please.

>>129300310
Why do you think ICE got such a huge boost in funding? Why do you think we have Jeff Sessions on the job? Hell, expand castle doctrine and stand your ground laws and you'll see citizens cleaning up their own streets.

>>129300421
Nah, the question is if they go to heaven or the limbo. We don't know really.

>>129300664
I always imagined limbo being a cool place. The women probably put out more than the ones in heaven and the weathers probably much nicer than hell.

>>129289109
THAT'S THE JOKE

>>129286932
If your against abortion your against ejaculating.

>>129300633
>Okay what about birth control then?
Preventing ovulation isn't killing anything, it's just preventing the ovules from being released.
>And? Religion is not evidence. We have been imposing our "will" on nature for many thousands of years.
Pic related. My point has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with you taking a life that isn't yours to take. "Playing God" is a saying.

>>129300664
It's a theological question, how can you affirm that's what happens? We don't know. Maybe the grace of God saves them.

If the biggest issue is with niggers churning out multiple Tyrones and Shaniquas because it gets them bennies then you should implement something similar to what the Tories have just put into place here to stop all the chavs shitting out kids for more benefits.
Any third or more child born after April 1st 2017 will not be eligible for child benefit/tax or any other income.
The only except to this is for rape babies but they have to provide proof they were raped (police letter) or a child with disabilities which requires the child to need extra expense and care.
Also excluded are multiple births (twins, etc), they will count as one child if it is the second child, or if its the third and its triplets or more then they count as the two but will give benefits to cover all babies of the birth.
We had major issues with slags having babies everytime they fancied a house upgrade for an extra bedroom or a move and with them shitting out kids because it means more beer and fags money.
Also muzzies and EU fuckers coming here, shitting out kids for bennies.

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>>129301002
see >>129298541
Also even if you don't ejaculate the spermatozoids die, read a biology book nigger.

>>129300192
>You're playing God, you're imposing your will on nature.
don't forget if you get cancer to refuse treatment.

>>129301064
>Pic related.
There is no pic here....

>My point has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with you taking a life that isn't yours to take.

Is stepping on ants murder? What is the difference between ants and humans, and why does that difference make them less important than humans?

>>129286932
On demand. The people that get abortions are the type that shouldn't be parents in the first place. And it's nigger population control.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1220095/American-abortion-addict-15-terminations-17-years-publishes-memoir.html

at what point does it start becoming infanticide and psychopathic behaviour?

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>>129301359
>There is no pic here....
my bad

>>129301345
pic goes for you too >>129301550
way to miss the point, I can't tell if you're legit autistic or just nipticking to troll

>>129286932
Should be illegal and niggers should be sterilized.

I just fixed 2 problems at once.

>>129301634
I stopped caring at 'god'

>>129301359
>Is stepping on ants murder? What is the difference between ants and humans, and why does that difference make them less important than humans?
That murder is killing humans. It's heinous because it's our own and because it infringes on a fellow human's right to life. You're depriving someone of what you take for granted for yourself, life.

>>129301884
What is so special about humans that killing them is wrong but not killing ants?

>>129301735
isn't it funny that a Brit knows less of the English language than I do?
oh, I forgot Pakis are the ones living in the UK nowadays

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You know how people say "well no one's really pro-abortion, just pro-choice if it has to happen"? Well no, I'm pro-abortion. I fucking love abortion. If a woman wants to kill the baby in her womb then guess what she'd probably be a shit mother. I wish I could pay women to have abortions, because if they'd take the deal they'd most likely be r-selected retards who shouldn't be mothers.

Abortion is a legal genocide on niggers (it kills HALF OF ALL BLACKS in the US, if you're any sort of redpilled person you should adore abortion because it's the one thing keeping america vaguely white), future criminals (that's the real reason crime plummeted in the US in the 90s, 20 years ago was Roe v Wade, so all the unwanted unloved abused young men who'd have raped you as a kid simply didn't exist) and general children of single mother filth (who make up the vast majority of all dysfunctional people who shit up society being druggies and other worthless trash). It's doing them a favor really, they'd all grow up to be miserable and suicidal anyway.

Any moral wiggle room to get away with that and I'll take it. A fetus doesn't have personhood if it's heart doesn't beat? If it has no brain activity? If it can't move yet? If it's still dependent on the mother's body? Whatever you want. Just kill the little vermin if the mother's going to be doing a shit job raising it because I don't want some child of neglect who grows up to be a scumbag stabbing me in a mugging in 20 years time.

>>129301956
1) It's our own species
2) Human life has immense potential, an ant's life doesn't. The core reason why murder is wrong isn't because the family will suffer or whatever, it's because you're denying a person of doing what he or she pleases to do with his or her life. You're violating another human's fundamental, natural rights. You should want those rights to be respected at the very least out of self-interest, because if rights don't exist you don't have rights either. If murder isn't wrong, then killing (You) isn't wrong.

>>129301956
Because it's killing your own kind.

>>129296809
>tax it
then they will still perform them in shady back alleys as well bro

>>129301956
MAN MUST CONTROL THE PUSSY
no, really, that's all it is

>>129302481
it's funny how people think legalization allows control and taxation lol, cigarettes are legal and they still get smuggled

>>129302522
based, made me think of a third argument
>>129301956
you can't grab ants by the pussy

>>129302327
>It's our own species
So it has an arbitrarily defined DNA structure.... right.....

>Human life has immense potential
To do what? Make more of themselves? Destroy a planet? Ants can get some of that done.

>you're denying a person of doing what he or she pleases to do with his or her life
They won't care, they will be dead, dead people don't care.

>You should want those rights to be respected at the very least out of self-interest
That is very similar to the right answer.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1449330/

commiefornia practiced involuntary sterilizations. It is well documented that doctors took matters into their own hands to prevent poverty by sterilizing the impoverished people during routine medical procedures

also if test tube babies are made outside of a woman cus "mus going forth and multiplying" and the perm is mixed with an egg in a test tube, that's a human if you believe in a life starting at conception.

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>>129302757
>muh arbitrary
not an argument
>To do what? Make more of themselves? Destroy a planet? Ants can get some of that done.
I'll answer with pic related since you're too stupid to figure it out on your own
>They won't care, they will be dead, dead people don't care.
>That is very similar to the right answer.
Why don't you kill yourself? You won't care. You will be dead, dead people don't care.

>>129303235
>also if test tube babies are made outside of a woman cus "mus going forth and multiplying" and the perm is mixed with an egg in a test tube, that's a human if you believe in a life starting at conception.
correct
and what is more, IVF usually produces at least 8 embryos of which only around 3 are implanted (because the chance of them developing is low). So 5 are discarded AFTER being produced. That's 5 abortions you have right there. IVF is murder even if done with good intentions. Not a lot of people talk about it because it's extremely politically incorrect, and the arguments tend to get emotional where people start saying that you "can't deny people the chance to have children".

>>129303304
>Why don't you kill yourself? You won't care. You will be dead, dead people don't care.
Well, I am not dead, and will take measures to prevent that, as my natural instincts dictate.

>>129303580
You can overcome those instincts, you're an adult human after all. So why not get done with the inevitable already? You won't care.

>>129303580
Also in your first post ITT you voiced a concern with shooting babies in the face. Dead babies don't care, they will be dead. So why is it wrong?

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>tfw burgeranon literally argued against himself ITT

>>129303713
>>129303800
>You can overcome those instincts
Why would I? There is no reason to...

>Dead babies don't care, they will be dead. So why is it wrong?
It isn't, but the reason I said that is because it introduces the risk of somebody else killing your child (something that my instincts will try to prevent) and calling it an abortion. Really just for practical reasons. Also, probably a harder pill to swallow for most people. No point fighting for it.

>>129304140
Why is there a problem with someone else killing your child? He won't care, he'll be dead.

>>129286932
abortion is never okay. Culling your offspring once it's born is okay as long as the father says so.

>>129304140
>Why would I? There is no reason to...
Why wouldn't you? There's no reason to. You will be dead, you won't care. You're just postponing the inevitable.

>>129304140
if a man says to kill the child he can do what he wants with his property.

>>129304406
>t. (((rothbard)))
children aren't the property of their custodians, they're their own property

>>129304215
There isn't, my instincts will have me take measure to prevent it however

>>129304275
>Why wouldn't you? There's no reason to. You will be dead, you won't care. You're just postponing the inevitable.
Defying my instincts would be much more effort (in fact impossible), than allowing them to take their natural course.

.

>>129286932
Abortion is based and should be promoted. Racial progress first and fuck your jewnigger desert morals

>>129304528
wow, get fucked you feminist cunt. Trying to erode the man's right to choose.

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>>129304580
>There isn't, my instincts will have me take measure to prevent it however
>being this much of a tryhard edgelord

>in fact impossible
wrong
you're not a beast
>>129304636
fuck off statist faggot
killing your children violates the NAP

>>129304897
>im a stupid feminist who hates men waaaaah

you are literally retarded. Trump's in office. Get over it.

>>129304897
What facilities do I have that allow me to defy instincts that a "beast" doesn't.

>>129304993
reason

>>129304897
The NAP you say? So you are an ancap I see. As a women in ancapistan, does anybody have the right to your labor? Particularly for 9 nine months without your explicit agreement?

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>>129286932
Absolutely reprehensible and will be remembered similarly to the holocaust, hopefully. The fact that moral degeneracy has gotten to the point that it's okay to kill a baby because you were fucking too much is just disgusting. America is pre-fall Rome right now.

>>129305202
I am sure if my dog had the vocal capability of a human he would tell you all about his "reason", in what capacity he had.

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>>129305345
I'm sure if a banana had lungs it would scream when you ate it, what's your fucking point?

>>129305255
It's an implicit lease contract. By having McSex you accept the terms and conditions which include letting the human in your womb develop and be born. If you were to violate his/her rights, there's a private defense agency who will act in his/her behalf and avenge the child, killing you and annexing your former property as payment.

>>129305418
That if you reason, so does the beast.

>>129305345
>dog
>reason
top lel
parrots have vocal capabilities, that doesn't mean they have reason

>>129286932
Abortion should be mandatory.

>>129305476
Not if he wore a condom. That is an explicit statement of non-agreement.

>>129305507
non-sequitur
your problem is that you decided what to think before learning how to think

>>129305507
Okay, but it can't in any capacity at the level that humans can. So, I guess if you gave it vocal cords (not to mention a language center of the brain and even then the brain is probably not big enough to string more than a few words together incoherently, but whatever), it could say "Hey, I want food", but would it be able to analyze why it wanted food? No. Maybe "Because I'm hungry", but beyond that, nothing.

>>129305642
Decision and thought are the same thing.

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Should be banned at the first appearance of brain waves in higher cerebral cortex, after 23 weeks of gestation, or week 24. The definition of death is not disputed, and is considered the time when electroencephalography activity ceases in the higher brain. Previous to that time, EEG scans only shows small bursts of activity without sustained firing of neurons.

Yeah, science.

>>129305617
It's not. By using a McCondom you accept the terms and conditions that say that leakage is to be expected and using it doesn't make you exempt from the terms and conditions of McSex.

>>129287279
Basically the Democratic Parties existing for this

>>129305717
You think, but you're unable to think properly. Your syllogisms are full of logical fallacies.

>>129286932
Abortion = Nigger reduction.
100% OK.

Totally worth collateral damage.

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>>129286932
>Morals are subjective and you can not legislate them.

>>129305662
There is no way to prove that, because they haven't told us. We can guess they aren't as smart, however they are exceptionally good at making us their slaves....

>>129295380
>pavement ape
my fucking sides

>>129305749
Okay, so up until there's brainwaves for sure. Now, let's just say that every baby gets brain waves at 24 weeks (I've heard more like 20, but let's go with this) and no baby ever has had brainwaves a week or so before that.

If someone was brain dead and they were guaranteed to wake up from that coma in 5 weeks, would it be moral to unplug them? They would be none the wiser, and they were technically brain dead, but legally you'd be put in jail because they were guaranteed (barring unforseen circumstances) to wake up and be alive. And you took that from them. That's murder.

>>129305921
There's no way to prove that the earth's core isn't made of banana pudding, but it's a pretty good guess that it isn't.

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>>129305921
>There is no way to prove that, because they haven't told us.
But they have, in their own way. You'd be surprised by how much a dissected body can tell us, not to mention what behavioral observation can yield. You're only embarrassing yourself at this point, friendo.

>>129306005
*I made a type and said "wake up from that coma" instead of just "wake up". Also, 5 months, not 5 weeks.

Turns out I'm brainndead.

>>129305891
Morals don't exist, even subjectively, we just slap that label on whenever we instinctively protect one another, which is something that happens because it is conducive to fucking and replicating.

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>>129306150
>Morals don't exist

>>129306119
Never call a fish stupid because it can't climb a tree.

>>129306150
Sure, if you're a godless heathen.

>>129306270
If you are not a radical believer of the false prove within assumptions.

>>129286932
Send all future nignogs to your house then, got it. Faggot.

>>129306270
Even worse, he's an irrational lumpen

>>129287466
lets toss in free meth

>>129306354
Okay, prove to me that reality exists, or even, prove to me that you exist.

You can't. It's just true. Fuck off.

>>129306388
Irrationality is making proof from assumptions.

>>129306471
see >>129306247

>>129306459
I think, therefore I exist.

>>129306150
What's your point dipshit?

>>129306538
No, prove to me that you exist.

>>129306251
Cant think of a single thing that can climb a tree that cant also swim. Guess your gay analogy was just for pussies.

>>129306459
Reality may or may not exist there is no proving it. However for practical purposes I will pretend, for if there is no reality, there is nothing to talk about.

>>129306577
Oh. That's impossible. For all you know I could be a hallucination.

>>129306598
his shitty analogy didn't even apply to my argument lol

I agree with you, OP. The more unwanted children that are brought into this world, the better.

>>129306541
You made a statement which I found to be false, so I made a counter statement..... What is your point?

>>129306619
That's a cop out. My point is that everything you ever argue is based off of the assumption that reality is a thing.

>>129306623
Exactly. And I work off the assumption that God exists. Why? Because I've found that if most people followed God's law, they'd live better lives. Also, the very nature of infinity guarantees that He exists. He is infinity, in my opinion.

>>129306704
Point is when you cut open a dogs brain, yes there is "less" of it. But with our incredibly poor understanding of how the brain works, that means nothing because it is all relative.

>>129306819
Your "point" was pure sophistry. Rational, objective morals exist. Only a piece of shit relies on instincts, empathy or other shitty source of "morals" to tell right from wrong.

>>129306819
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/morality
>Principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour.

Explain how one or more of these principles cannot be legislated.

>>129306926
But that requires you make two assumptions, that both reality is real, and that god made it. I only need one. Can't be perfect but can always try to get as close as possible.

>>129306931
"poor" is relative
we know more than enough to affirm it isn't capable of reason

>>129306005
>>129306142
>If someone was brain dead and they were guaranteed to wake up from that coma in 5 weeks
i'd say it's different because the brain waves have already started. you can't "die" if you were never "alive" in the first place. most likely in your highly improbable and/or almost impossible scenario they'd be a vegetable, so it may be moral. and no, that wouldn't be illegal because you didn't kill them, they died on their own. furthermore right to die legislation makes that legal if they previously stated in a will that it was their desire.

>>129307026
Because principals are not real. They are abstractions made up by the human mind, and have no correlation to reality.

>>129307153
You're ducking into semantics again.

Explain how this means they, as concepts, cannot be legislated upon.

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>>129307153
That's some Stirner-tier sophistry, kek. What a hack.

>>129307071
>we know more than enough to affirm it isn't capable of reason
This simply isn't true.

Not even mentioning that we don't know how to define what reason is, since that is a philosophical question which means it is down to opinion, and opinions are not facts.

>>129307153
>Because principals are not real. They are abstractions made up by the human mind
So are laws

>>129307300
Yeah laws are funny, though, because despite them being arbitrary, stuff happens when you break them.

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>>129307293
This whole discussion was about you being able to override instincts and a dog being unable to override them. There's empirical proof of this. Conditioning and whatnot, where you basically program extra instincts in an animal.
>>129307380
>mfw