Socialism

>>129254652
cuckie

100 million deaths worldwide

>>129254652
It's an anime that should have ended first season but the directors dragged it out do to foreign fanfare that don't understand the context of said anime

>>129254818
>100 million deaths worldwide
That's communism.

>>129254990
same thing, do nothing, feel wntitled to something

>>129255093
>same thing
Except for the fact that they're completely different.
What do you do that is so important?

You're serving a full dining room with one other person. They may or may not do as much work as you do. But, at the end of the shift you have to split tips because it's company policy. You make $100 because you have regulars and a good personality. The other person, for whatever reason makes $50. So instead of going home with $100, you make $75 for the same work while the other person gains $25. For no reason other than policy.

Socialism. You tell me what's wrong with it.

>>129257456
Jobs that depend on tips shouldn't exist in the first place, and this ridiculous metaphor cannot be applied to salaried or hourly pay. You're a retard bro.

The problem with Socialism is when you run out of other people's money.

>>129257456
Bad strawman and false equvilency

>>129254652
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

sage

Kys you fag

>>129257758
It's an excellent example.
Socialism punishes those who work hard, they don't get rewarded for their work, they're treated the same as everyone else despite how much or how little they're doing.

It's the basic idea of socialism.

>>129254652

Does not take into account the human capacity for evil.

>>129255348
tjey arent completely different. socialism was touted as the bridge to communism, just have to complete the next 5 year plan. so all of those deaths occured under socialist direction.

that probably wouldnt happen today because the socialist in the west are mostly bleeding heart pussies, but it will inevitably lead to economic collapse due to always running out if other peoples money when capital gets the fuck out for greener freer pastures.

>>129257456
>Socialism. You tell me what's wrong with it.

Actually, you just described someone's right to the sweat of their brow being infringed upon by private enterprise.

>>129258168
>Socialism punishes those who work hard, they don't get rewarded for their work
It works both ways. Hard workers don't get shit in the current capitalist system.

>>129254990
All communist governments so far were actually socialist, since communism is stateless. Real communism hasn't been achieved (and it never will).

>>129254652
Humans can not be in charge of the wellbeing of others, you need a mathamatical system or it fails everytime. Everybody thinks they can run it correctly, they will be corrupted.

>>129254652
WHO ELSE WILL THINK OF THE NIGGER CHILDREN

>>129254652
It destroys the male gender role and in turn the family.

>>129254652

wealth is forcibly taken from productive citizens and distributed to less productive citizens. Not only does it create incentive not to work (since there are no consequences) but it is immoral.

>>129258248
Incorrect, hard workers don't always get shit in a capitalist world.
Capitalism is based on the idea of competition.
Humans are a competitive species, we do better and work harder when we're competing.
Capitalism is based on this, everyone's competing, it's not perfect, it can be played, but compared with socialism a hard worker is much more likely to get something out of capitalism because in socialism they have no chance of getting more for their harder work.

Socialism benefits the lazy.
Capitalism benefits the hard working.

Socialism necessarily violates Lockean natural rights of liberty and property, also frequently violates the right of life.

>>129254652
"The end goal of socialism is communism." -Lenin


(I lowkey have no problem with socialism as long as it's in small amounts)

>>129257758

you are in a class and everyone has to take an exam. You work hard and study and get 100 percent of the questions right.

Other students do not study hard and get lower grades. All of your scores are averaged out and everyone receives a score of 75 percent.

>>129254652

Niggers started evolving into humans during the early 60s because they were able to participate in the free market and grow wealth for themselves the community and the nation. Once welfare hit in 65 niggers devolved into what we have today.

Socialism retards human progress, and that's why the jews are in full support of it to keep the dumb goyim in an animalistic state for ease of control.

>>129258248
nit necessarily true, those who know how ti make their caputal worj the hardest are rewarded in capitalism. our priblem in the states is we teach our kids from school age to basically be worker drones and not question authority. basic finance and business courses are pretty much only electives in college and some private prep high schools.

>>129254652
commie cuck

>>129258259
this

>>129258248
that is a lie told by lazy people to give themselves justification to not work hard/smart

>>129254652
A few excellent books to read up on socialism, why it has never worked, why it will never work, and why it's so bad:

>Socialism: An Economic and Sociological Analysis
Ludwig von Mises

tl;dr version: https://mises.org/blog/socialism-worlds-greatest-generator-poverty

>The Problem with Socialism
Thomas DiLorenzo

>>129254652
Here's an example: I am currently working at a car wash while I'm waiting for my actual job to start. At said car wash I work with a bunch of dumb highschool kids and few blue-pilled normie adults. I work my ass off everyday in the sun while most of these retards sit around and relax because the manager is a nice goy and doesn't bring the hammer down on them. We have a tip bucket at our little station that we work at. No matter how much ass I bust, and no matter how lazy these other faggots are, our tips are shared equally at the end of the day. If this job wasn't temporary I would have quit after the first day because there is absolutely 0 incentive to work harder than my co-workers since we are all paid equally anyway. That right there is why your flawed system does not work. Imagine my little car wash's system being applied to an entire nation. It would be the USSR all over again faggot.

Now get the fuck off my board.

>>129258168
Good. Hard work is a mental disease. People shuoldn't be rewarded for servility.

All public services like police, firemen, transportation infrastructure, schools, social safety net systems like unemployment benefits, retirement benefits, sewage/water/heating systems .. etc.

If you ever used any of those things you are benefiting from socialism.

>>129254652
only shitlibs make memes with so much writing, fucking retarded and autistic in the real way, not the haha /pol/ is autistic way. autistic like you were born wrong and spent your entire childhood screaming and rocking back and forth and broke your parents spirits so they didnt have more children and they've forgotten how to smile kind of way.

>>129258999
love me that austrian school. its ashame we are way past the point if no return on getting back on the gold standard ridding our world of (((their))) central banking system

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>>129259265
Just need a few collapses before we can get back to normal.

>>129259208
If we didn't work hard to further how society and civilization we wouldn't have the technology capable for you to make such an inane shit post.

>>129259401
if the banks didnt get bailed out in 2008 it coulda been an option, except king nigger would have turned us into an africa tier socialist hell hole.

>>129254652
Socialism as a concept has existed since the enlightenment period and wasn't hijacked by kikes until Marxism and the Frankfurt School came around.

Its sentiments, hatred of classes, multinational trillion dollar corporations, and manipulation by international financiers are redpilled, especially if you're aware this capitalist cabal which controls the world are all kikes.

Most of the "alt-right" are simple reactionaries, but genuine national socialist revolt against the corrupt globalist banking and money system and against modern self loathing neoliberal leftism is the only way to bridge out to normies, fuck over the kikes, and unite the white race as one proletarian unit.

>>129259208
Are you actually retarded? How do you think Humans went from mud huts to giant cities? Hard work is what brings advancement to our people. You think fucking aliens just dropped technology on us while we were all just sitting around with dicks in hand?

>>129259721
>You think fucking aliens just dropped technology on us while we were all just sitting around with dicks in hand?
essentially the african experience of civilization kek

>>129254652
1 word. Niggers

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>>129259649
Yeah, he kind of fucked up our shit after the housing market collapsed. Not surprised that he did what he did though, these captains will never go down with the ship so long as there are citizens in the hull to keep on rowing.

>>129254652
It's failed so many times and blamed Capitalism for its failures. The only purpose of Socialism is to enact a Pseudo-Communism, which does not ever connect because of human imperfection. The only possible way for a true Communism or even Socialism to be achieved is without the human factor. Only after humans become mindless drones could it become a possibility and that perfect yet fragile system would come tumbling down, if just ONE individual learns how to think outside of the hive mind and survives to spread that ideology. So yes, Communism and Socialism are perfect but on paper only, outside of human interactions.

>>129254652
Also your meme is painfully ironic, since that's exactly what people do on both sides, on and off the internet. It's pathetic how many people shift their life views and ideals simply because they were criticized for having them.

>>129257940
Why would you need other people's money when you own the means of production?

>>129260262
Pretty much this. Free will and the innate desire to better oneself makes pretty much all forms of economic collectivism get BTFO.

Communism does work, though... in a scale no larger than a household.

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>>129254652

>>129254652
rewarding people for doing no work is bad.

>>129260781
Yes the economic and philosophic manuscripts of 1844 are just drawings of stick figures popping. Nice straw man.

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>>129254652

Socialism only works when it's lightly based around a necessity that cannot be resold as a used product.

> water
> electric
> gas
> education
> roads
> basic healthcare

It must be a direct form that is a majority accepted but not forced, usually through a pool of taxes which the majority agree upon.

Socialism fails when it becomes forced. Which is why a 100% socialist economy is an economy which has no growth or opportunity, it basically allows for people to live off of other people's hard work.

It's the tyrant or totalitarian's preferred choice for a system as it is a system of total control, no contest, no competition. Ruler and the ruled.

>>129254652
the leveling out of wages has been shown to reduce ingenuity, productivity, and growth of a nations technology, wealth and population. If you think equality and a lack of suffering is worth those things then yeah socialism makes sense, I value equality very lowly and think suffering is a net positive in the long term so I like capitalism

>>129254652

Nothing inherently, but one must be careful when applying it. There are also many different kinds of socialism.

>>129254652
Cucks and commies. That's what

>>129254909
best explanation i've ever read desu

>>129261329

Equality only goes as far as common human bare essentials.

>>129260781
... and the children of poor people get to struggle too yay! It's their fault for being born poor.

>>129261226
>education
"education"

>>129254818
That's Marxism-Leninism and its variants, and the number is actually much lower.

>>129261189
honestly every argument a socialist has ever brought to me is that capitalism is evil because people are greedy.

>>129260554
To be honest with you, I doubt Communism could even survive in a situation as small and controlled as a household. You can divide up the house work evenly but someone eventually is going to get bored of doing the same shit - even if it is for the greater good. They'll demand payment, a task change, recognition etc... The human condition requires us constant and ever-changing stimulus, even for the most conservative and laid back.

I could eat potatoes every day of my life but not everyone likes potatoes that much. This immediately presents a major problem for Communism. Yes, something as simple as the food you personally enjoy. It is such a fragile system that something as petty and as foolish as this could cause a Great Potato War.

>>129254652
tried and tried and tried again. Sometimes you just gotta know when enough is enough. Goto Venezuela

>>129257940
That's like saying the problem with colorblindness is you eventually run out of potatoes.

>>129258248
Hard work doesn't mean shit. Smart/efficient work is what's rewarded.

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>>129258116
Exactly, done and dusted OP, get raped faggot.

READ, LEARN:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_calculation_problem

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>>129261632
>no true socialism

>>129260781
here's your (You)

>>129258186
The definitions of socialism and communism were different then.

>>129261707
Well I meant in the more practical sense: a family.
In this peculiar situation, it seems to work fine, albeit a little boring at times, yes. What you've described is the nuclear family father.

In any other scenario, where there is not an immensely positive motivation (love for one's children), it will collapse and fail every single time.

Socialism is like being a 35 years old neet that lives with your parent.

Sounds good right? You have a house, food and etc.... and a family that take care of you.

The thing is they will tell you to do bullshit courses and etc... because according to their worldwiew that will supposedly improve your life,
They prohibit you to do some stuff because according to their worldview, those stuff fuck with your life.

And you sort of can't complain because they are actually trying to help you.

What is worse, this create a vicious circle that makes harder to you leave this situation.

This is basically how communism works.

>>129254652
the problem is not reading and asking a bunch of uneducated americucks for an answer.

>>129261707
communism can't even survive running an eatery https://heatst.com/culture-wars/marxist-vegan-restaurant-closes-after-customers-no-longer-willing-to-wait-40-minutes-for-a-sandwich/

>>129254652
Idk but democratic socialism is where its at lmoa

>>129258480
Yeah tell that to the third world: "tough luck, should have worked harder so you're not starving or suffering from cholera while having to miss work (without benefits) from your dangerous factory job."

>>129262037
are you going to drop the precious gem "true socialism hasn't been tried yet?" or how about "communism can't compete against capitalism, that is why we must abolish capitalism"

>>129261189

Yes objecting to the medium used to frame a very coherent argument makes your mention of arguments that you are too lazy to link from a time before they invented the light bulb very persuasive. Nice appeal to authority.

>>129261665
Is that not the same argument that can be used as to why socialism always fails?

>>129254652
I don't want to contribute. If you want my contribution, you'll have to kill me first.

>>129261883
In the modern world the solution to this problem is Cybernetics friend, the same way we handle most of the stock market

>>129261555
I'm not sure what you are referring to, are you saying socialism only creates equality for the bare essentials, because I know many socialists who believe very differently

or are you saying we should only guarantee the bare essentials equally to each person under any system?

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It's just a rename if communism to hide the fact it's communism. Just like "liberal and progressive " it's a dirty word so they call it something else.

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>>129254652
socialism may only function among beings that lack ego. humans are entirely incapable of suppressing ego on a scale necessary for ideal socialism. also, op is a commie cuck.

>>129254652
I bet you don't have the guts to even listen to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ARloNimTo

>>129258259
(Because you cannot force people to share for the common good without a real return)

>>129258693
Strawman
>>129258999
>Mises
top kek
>>129260781
(you)
>>129261900
No true argument.
Fucking strawman garbage.

>>129254652
socialism doesn't work because people are people and not ants. The only reason faggots like you want it is because they think they won't be the ones sent to the gulags

>Spoiler Alert: you will be the first

>>129254652
If you tax the rich 80% of their income, they'll just take their business elsewhere. Human societies naturally form into hierarchies based on meritocracy, if you pay a someone who has to be a doctor and study for five+ years the same as a truck driver, what incentive do they have to pursue that as a career?

>>129261984
The parents always rely on a dictatorship, which is apparently not a real Socialism or Communism.

"My house, my rules"
For Communism to work, the parents would have to agree that the children are equal to the parents and they all own the house equally, which would never happen. This can't even happen among roommates, in most cases. Someone almost always oversteps their bounds, even if by accident.

>It will collapse and fail, without love
Yes, absolutely. So it demands a constant and selfless drive to do what is "right" for the household. The moment an individual becomes selfish, such a system could collapse.

>>129262664
They ain't taking shit anywhere with a 100% exit tax.

>>129262423
That's bullshit and you know it.

>>129262670
Go read your Fromm, burger. Not all authority is rational.

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>>129262570
Yes you can
>inb4 Oh no, not the nap! ;_; ;_; ;_;

>>129262664
>implying the current order is a magical capitalist meritocracy

>>129254652
stay out of my wallet commie

also no...that meme is more SJWs and the left who vastly are basement dwellers

listen to this if you dare confront your ideology

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuGJYNLHWMI

>>129254652
Invariably running out of other people's money.

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>>129254652

It's fucking gay and destroys the will to work hard and develop new shit because it's pacification for the lazy and indigent and sucks the life out of productive members of society as well.

Happy now, faggot?

>>129258230
>goodbye surplus value

>>129254652

race to the bottom
lowest common denominator always wins
reverse darwinism
imagine trying to climb a mountain with everyone tied to your legs

>>129254652
Communism=Collectivism=totalitarism=Massmurdering

>>129262285
Really, how's that dumbass? Is freedom meaningless to you? Who is to input all the data into these machines? Who is to do the math and make the models which require the vast numbers of variables, which themselves would be impossible to accurately discover without omniscience, and which would also be constantly changing?

Please tell me, who?

Fucking moron, you really don't understand do you?

Kill yourself immediately; maybe take another vile socialist along with you.

>>129262216
Would it sound better if I said I wanted radical democracy to be enforced on every company?

>>129262982
Hard work is a Protestant meme.

>>129254652
It breaks down because mongoloids think safety net should equal free shit for NEETs

>>129254652

Socialism requires an authoritarian government to function. Thus it turns into Communism immediately.

"Please Share." is not an economic policy.

>>129262772
>Not all authority is rational
That's sort of my point, wiener.

>>129262240
That's not an argument from authority you pissant. Appealing to an economist's published papers in an argument about economics is not an appeal to authority. Why do people always misuse this?

But regardless, the substance of Marc's arguments hardly matter in this context, the point was that there are actual arguments presented and not just stick figure poop drawings.

>>129262982
How many retail and hospitality workers are actively and radically changing our future through innovation?
How many with potential are being held back working dead end jobs?

>>129254652
Venezuela

>>129254652
In socialism you take the resources of productive people and distribute it to everyone as the guy on top sees fit (which works very poorly).
Thus you disincentivize people to volutarily work. And if people don't want to work you have to force them or else the entire system colapses.

Also commie cuck.

>>129263345
*tips tinfoil*

Get a job and pay rent. Look at your paycheck. Then, imagine 60-70% of your income getting taxed instead of the 30%ish that it is now. All to pay for lefondah's food stamps.

Socialist should be killed

>>129263683
>isn't looking at the 10-20% going toward private health insurance instead of public insurance, or the 10-30% going toward auto insurance and $100-200/mo to private toll roads and parking garages instead of a functional public transit system
DAY OF THE GRILL WHEN?

>>129254652
Any government powerful enough to give me everything I need is powerful enough to allow me to get those things for myself.

Any government powerful enough to give me everything I need is powerful enough to take them away.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ojx8-oNGnMU

>>129258067
Yes. In his example he could just fill in his resignation.
In socialism you're taken behind the shed and shot. Such as lazy social parasites dezerve.

>>129263966
I'll be laughing when the system collapses and you lie on your knees, ass up, and pray to Bernie to eradicate the toll roads.

>Rejection of the competitive nature of the free market detected
>Tragedy of the Commons initiated

>>129263562
>resources of productive people
Ownership is a meme. The right to exclude is purely an agreement among people, which can be changed at any time with enough buy-in. Besides, it's not their resources, it's "their" profits, to which they have no inalienable guarantee.
>disincentivize people to volutarily work
As if work were some pure holy sacrament. Compulsory service happens even in muh capitalistic societies today. After the first big subbotnik, I think people will understand they have to pitch in.

>>129263125
Don't shift the goal posts from an argument about economic planning to one about civil rights. You weren't arguing in good faith from the start though.

>>129262206
Yes. And while you're at it: "STOP SENDING THEM FREE SHIT! IT RUINS THE LOCAL ECONOMY AND MAKES THEM DEPENDENT ON GIBMEDATS!"

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>>129263562

Additionally, it is dependent on humans denying their basic natures and stifles creativity and dynamism

>>129254990
The goal of socialism is communism.

>>129263381
>>129261189
Socialists have no arguments besides "wah capitalism is mean and hurts my feelings" and "muh poor people." Surplus value is retarded and not a real thing.

>>129263214

Hard work is only a meme for the lazy and failures who are afraid to get their hands dirty.

Took me a decade of hard work to build my company, now I get to spend 25 hours/week taking it much easier because I toiled and suffered during the critical times and spent a decade of my life living to create something of value vs. being a self-indulgent twat.

Put that in your weed pipe and smoke it, socialist.

>>129262711
>They ain't taking shit anywhere with a 100% exit tax.
See how that works for venezuela.

>>129264260
>muh capitalistic societies
There are literally zero purely capitalistic societies of any considerable scale alive today. Name one.

>Protip, you can't

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Socialism is the immoral thought that all people should have an equal outcome despite the sad fact people will abuse the system of having unequal efforts.

>>129262775
Yeah see... and that's why people actually have a reason to linch your social parasitical ass.

>>129264907
>that's why people actually have a reason to linch your social parasitical ass
All regimes are kept in place through force, even the most democratic ones.

>>129262775
You're looking mighty tall today, Berlin Wall.

>>129264738
>Hard work is only a meme for the lazy and failures who are afraid to get their hands dirty.
Don't fucking talk to me about getting my hands dirty, you cuck. I did just about everything but cutting parts for two years in a tool and die shop.
Fuck you and your imaginary friend, you lazy cunt. Your past efforts entitle you to nothing.
>>129264871
>There are literally zero purely capitalistic societies of any considerable scale alive today. Name one.
Scotland. :^)

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>>129265007
No way, you're telling me that a word's meaning is consistent?

>>129254652
The government isn't good at running stuff usually owned by businesses.

>>129262241
no, socialism fails not because of evil, but because its impossible to plan an economy when people have free will and desires along with different needs. people tend not to be one size fits all when it comes to their needs.

>>129263155
Nu. You're an empoyee. You are selling your labour. Your employer is buying it. If you don't like it take your business somewhere else.
Make your own company and share it with employees and see how it goes.

>>129265173
>Scotland
>Parliament
>Constitutional Monarchy

Educate yourself, my friend.

>>129257940
Isnt that a Margret Thatcher quote?

>>129265267
>survival should be according to market terms
Cum-guzzling neoliberals need to be shot in the streets like the dogs they are.
>>129265355
As in no true, nigger.

>>129265243
>people have free will and desires along with different needs. people tend not to be one size fits all when
people have fairly similiar needs

>>129265402
Yessir.
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Margaret_Thatcher#The_problem_with_socialism

>>129254818
MUH 900 TRILLION
shut up fag, communism is the wave of the future.
pol just doesnt like it because they are edgy little fag,
>oh wow look i get health care
>WTF A BLACK NIGGER GETS FREE HEALTH CARE TOO WHAT THE FUCK!?!!!?
Hate of socalism and commuism is based off of jealous and wanting to feel superior to other people privilege doesn't mean anything if everyone has it.

sad thing is pol wouldnt make good capitalists ether because the idea if you are a capitalist is to sell things, you arent going to sell things to minorities if you are shitting on them and you sure as fuck arent gonna make enough money off of whites.
This is why globalism is a capitalist idea and not a socalist one, If pol had its "free market unglobalised capitalism" money would change hands at break neck speeds and there would be very very few companies left because they would form and fall in such a short time it wouldnt even be worth it,
capitalism needs globalism.
a nationalist company wouldnt last long.

Which is why communism and socialism are here to save the day, you can have nationalized things that way.
wouldnt expect right is right idiots to know this though

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>>129254652
Communist here, read marx you beta fuck. 1)Socialism leads to communism 2)Communism has never existed. No stateless, classless, wealthless society has ever existed at a larger scale. 3) The soviet union and other "communist" countries were the marxist lenninist interpretation of socialism, not communism, under the ruling communist party. 4) you're probably thinking of social democracy which is what everyone here calls socialism.

>>129265447
>ah bloo bloo I have to work for a living
That's how the world works commie.

>>129265267
>If you don't like it take your business somewhere else.
Make your own company and share it with employees and see how it goes.
implying you can and implying a capitalist economy can run without employees and everyone is a capital owner

>>129265447
Either your definition of capitalism was derived from Mao's Little Red Book, you read my response incorrectly, or I read your statement wrong. Elaborate.

Socialism removes the incentive to work harder than the next guy. Also lowers the quality of services like healthcare.

>>129254652
You inevitably run out of other people's money.

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>>129265243
Human needs are actually fairly universal. How they are satisfied is often a matter of individual taste.
the bottom 4 layers in the figure are legitimate and social; the 5th one is (((not so much)))

You should rely on people holding your hand.

>>129265726
This. However, it lowers the quality through problems like the tragedy of the commons. It's not just socialism causes instant shit, it's a process we've seen come and go throughout the last century.

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>>129264260
It's not a meme if I agree I own shit, and Steve owns other shit, and so does every other civilized chimp. And if you try to take any of our shit because you don't have a concept of ownership you end up dead.
>subbotnik
We had those. And I hope you will too. American cocksucker you won't be the one holding the gun.

>>129258675
>Socialism
>Small amount
It always begns with something innocuous

>>129260426
Because socialists are shit at running a business so they have to steal more property and money to keep the gravy train rolling. Eventually you run out and everyone is poor.

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>>129265833
You also forgot pride in achievements and ownership. Which is one area where socialism fails.

>>129265173
Then you're just a failure. Take yourself out of the genepool please.

>>129254652
It punishes hardworking and talented people by making them into slaves.

>>129254652
Venezuela, "not real socialism" is not an answer.

>>129265689
>There are literally zero purely capitalistic societies of any considerable scale alive today. Name one.
Get it? No true Scotsman?
>>129265726
>incentive to work harder than the next guy
Why, exactly, is that a good thing? So future management drones like you can reap the undeserved, unearned rewards?
>>129265899
Still a meme: that people can own (exclude others from) shit, that people can reassign that ownership, and that people's ownership will normally be respected. Civilization does not depend on ownership.
If the vast majority of people think you're a cum-guzzling thief, you will be taken care of. It's just a matter of numbers, and all the le_donald tough guy whining in the world won't change that there is no morality at play here.
>>129266099
Ownership is a meme.
Pride in achievements is something you do on your own damn time instead of wasting everyone else's.
>>129266105
You first, self-important fuck.

>>129266447
>Civilization does not depend on ownership.
You're completely retarded. If civilizations did not claim lands and back up those claims with force, we'd all be living in mud huts still. Fuck off.

>>129254652
It kills people's motivation to excel. If outcomes are equal, there is no reason to be better, try harder, than everyone else. This is why communist / socialist economies end up tanking within a few generations.
Also, communist governments are highly authoritarian, they don't trust people to be good, and so limit and regulate every aspect of people's lives. It's the antithesis of freedom, and American values.

It doesn't work in reality and central planning politicians can never knows as well as experts who have been doing their jobs over 30 years. It failed in Greece, the Soviet Union, Ethiopia, Venezuela, Belarus, North Korea. It is arrested development, envious malevolence and impossible equality.

>>129266447
>No true scotsman
It's a valid argument when it's not true. Still waiting for an example.

>Ownership is a meme
Tell that to Zimbabwe (socialism), who ripped farmland away from the whites and proceeded to have a nice little famine.
I feel like a fucking parrot.

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>>129265613
>Expecting anyone to read your long shitty commie sperg out

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>>129254757
>>129258781

Pro-Capitalists are the true cucks, in Soviet Union every Ivan could get his Svetlana, Women could not do gold digging and fall to degeneracy, even it they wanted to

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>>129254652

>>129266898
pretty much fucking this.
capitalism enables thots and degeneracy.

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>>129254652 this

>>129254652
Because you're not entitled to other people's money and property.

Furthermore is a range of numerous issues, including inefficient government services, welfare abuse, reduced liberty and just general corruption.

>>129254652

If you have any real interest in the answer to your question, read the Gulag Archipelago. Look at how your innocent, Canadian socialism is morphing into full-blown totalitarianism (with thought and speech crime that can get your kids taken from you). And guess what... You haven't even seen the beginning of what these people have in store for you.

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>>129267236
>Because you're not entitled to other people's money and property.

>>129266898
>When you're so much of an undesirable beta cuck that you need he state to take over every aspect of life in order to get a girlfriend

>>129267245
I honestly can't wait to use Canada as an example instead of having to use fucking Venezuela, Zimbabwe, the USSR (and satellite states), etc.

>>129262775
Gonna form a group that controls everything by force? Yeah, that's socialism. Nigger tier.

>>129267552
>take someone elses shit
>run away
>get shot
WTF THIS IS TYRANNY BRO

>>129266898
That's what religion is for dummy. It has nothing to do with economics.

>>129267245
Yup. Canada took 20" even everyone else only have up an inch.

Two walls.

Communism isn't taking money from everyone and sharing it equally you tards, there is no money in communism

>>129263683
>le nigger food stamps welfare queen meme
Epik XDD!!!

>>129267723
Well you first start out with socialism which is taking other people's money. Communism is a delusional fantasy and hilariously outdated.

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>>129254652

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>>129254652
Utopianism. A belief in totally remaking the world by destroying its tribes, moulding them into the one super and equal tribe. You see this belief carried on through cultural marxism, which espouses diversity as strength and multiculturalism, whilst ignoring the obvious question that if every nation is multi-cultural, does any nation have a culture?
From each according to their abilities, to each according to their needs.

But for such a paradise, you needed first to burn the old world. Family was just one more loyalty that creates inequality, for you would place loyalty for your children over your loyalty for the 'state'. Which has become an abstract replacement for the God that the Communists are also busily knocking down by demoralizing the faithful and knocking down the churches, asking why if there is such a thing as a higher power, he doesn't intervene to stop them.

Then a story of a young boy who overhears dissent from his parents, reports them to the KGB. And is hailed a hero and touted as a role-model for children across the Union. People would have the story relaid to them day and night via loud-speaker, telling them of his courage and honor to the state over the criminals.

That story isn't told because the authorities or the people think it noble, it is done to further demoralize them. What they know in their bones is wrong, is told day and night is right, and thus the fault must lie with them.
Making them deny basic truths is the perfect way to tell them obvious and complete lies.

Communism is about power. Power in the most cynical and traitorous of ways. No school of thought has been such a cancer on the earth as Communism.
FREE
HELICOPTER
RIDES

>>129267434
The Problem is not that every "undesirable beta cuck" gets no gf, the problem is that sex becomes a product and traditional family values get crushed from unregualted capitalism on its own.

>>129266668
>civilizations did not claim lands and back up those claims with force
That's not private ownership. That's common ownership, something that seems to have fallen out of living memory since you neoliberal cucks took over.
Also you're changing the topic from civilization as a meme to civilizations in particular. Don't you republicucks ever just grill yourselves instead of committing fallacies?
>>129266842
>except for punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted,
Tell me honestly that the high level of muh cultural crimes in the US has nothing to do with driving truckloads of slave labor through that loophole
>Zimbabwe (socialism)
Taking your finger pointing at face value, at no point have I ever claimed socialism was infallible. It's funny how muh capitalist nations won't even sell product to socialist nations for their own currency, and then blame the inevitable failures on socialism. It's like letting an abusive parent manage a public resource.
>>129267129
Cucksparov is but one opinion among many.
>>129267307
How many you got in that clip boy?
>>129267906
Assertions from a le_donald burger. If only you all would fuck off to leddit where you belong.

>>129259234
Nope. Social contracts are not socialism.

>>129259234
Ultimately those services are paid for through tax revenue generated by private businesses.
Likewise, rich corporations in countries with low levels of public trust, safety and adequate policing provide their own security force to protect their assets and workers.

Human lives in totally socialist societies are expendable to the extent they exhaust the distribution of resources distributed by the state. So while state assets are worthy of protecting, citizens are not as they would be in a capitalist society. Since dead civilians means less tax revenue and fewer holders of debt.

>>129268356
>That's not private ownership. That's common ownership, something that seems to have fallen out of living memory since you neoliberal cucks took over.
Haha, no absolutely not. Before liberal democracies, ALL land belonged to the king. It was as private as it gets. Why you don't you go educate yourself.

>>129254652
Redistributing money, that isnt yours is not very nice and ethical u know. Its like theft u know.

>>129254652
You will run out of 2 things with socialism:
other peoples money and human incentive.

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>>129259721
>You think fucking aliens just dropped technology on us while we were all just sitting around with dicks in hand?

You're finally seeing.

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>>129268356
Cucksparov lived socialism. You have not. Don't make the mistake of those wiser than you and more experienced than you. Socialism will always fail. Period. And it will murder and destroy lives before it crashed and burns. Look at Venezuela right now. It NEVER works. It NEVER has. It NEVER will.

>>129268575
>ALL land belonged to the king
Fair enough. We're adults now, so we can leave that little fiction behind.
>>129268699
>other people's
>money
It's the goverment's money, they just let you use it to keep score.
>human incentive
There's plenty of human incentive. Soviet science was well ahead of capitalist science. Even Bell Labs was a quasi-private research laboratory where people just had lots of latitude to do their work and publish their inventions. The lash doesn't make people work smarter or more creatively, rather the opposite. Muh monetary rewards only serve to allow muh winners to work less and be less creative.

>>129267685
I know that planned economy socialism failed and that this type of economics doesn't really work out in real life

I was talking about the fact that communists are often called cucks by people, meaning that the let other man take their wifes away from them and in orthodox socialist states that was not true, call it religion but all kind of Pornography and Prostituion was banned in the eastern block until to the end, Prostitution existed on a low scale illegaly though but was combated heavily

>>129254652
when you can't lose your job, or you can't lose your house and you can be demoted or premoted in your job it gives you no incentive to work harder or even work at all, like under socialism, you could just sit around all day at your job and face no repercussions

>>129262741
It's the truth and yes I know it.

>>129268993
>We're adults now, so we can leave that little fiction behind.
As soon as you leave behind your outdated communist philosophy that can't possibly function in an advanced market economy.

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>>129254652

Nothing is wrong with it, in Homogeneous societies.
In these Jew created Multi-Culti shit-holes, it's guaranteed disaster.
Empathy is a European strength, but it can also be used as a weapon by Diversity.

>>129268975
Cucksparov lived the fall of socialism, when the US was out to murder it. His opinion means far less to me than the 46% of old people in the Warsaw Pact countries who still remember socialism and would prefer what they had over what they have.
>murder and destroy lives
Stalinist totalism was not socialism. You simply fail to count the people who die from capitalism because you have diluted the blame.
Venezuela mismanaged their economy, not because of socialism, but because of depending on high oil prices and being caught flat-footed by Saudi oil prices dropping. Learn what the fuck you're talking about, cuckold.
Socialism will work fine as soon as the USA stops working to kill it. If that means the USA has to be removed, then, as far as the rest of the world is concerned, literally nothing of value is lost.
>>129269190
>muh advanced market economy
does nothing for me that a less muh advanced economy of some other sort wouldn't do adequately or even better.

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Capitalism is ultimately more efficient because it gives your tax base the illusion of agency and a social ladder. Collectivist systems can't sustain themselves on a large scale unless they are extremely regimented and authoritarian as the proletariat is neither servile nor virtuous, even if you spend a great deal of time and effort trying to break them like domestic animals. Communism never stopped the russian vory or chinese organized criminals or any of the hundreds of thousands of defectors. You cannot unilaterally kill ambition. Communist autocracies are not the answer to the downsides of western government as communism has no answer to human folly, and neither do it's variants.

>>129269498
Then let's break this shithole up.
>>129269550
>thinks servility is the basis of society
Ivy League student?

>>129254652
It completely ignores race realism, and robs people of their rightly earned capital.

>>129269524
>does nothing for me that a less muh advanced economy of some other sort wouldn't do adequately or even better.
The computer you are posting on would not have existed without the market.

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>>129269524
>was not socialism
How stupid are you? Every socialist regime says this but invariably falls into totalitarianism. Every. Single. Time. You are living a fucking fiction if you think it will "work this time."

>>129269718
>The computer you are posting on would not have existed without the market.
>doesn't know about the government support of ARM
>doesn't know that Soviets had some fairly alright computing technologies of their own
Computing itself would not have existed without the government. Unironically kill your parasitic proud ignorant college student self, since it's clear that your continued consumption of oxygen does nobody else any good.

>>129269625
The basis of a collectivist society.

>>129269772
State capitalism, you Kochist nigger.
If the USA would stop threatening socialst countries, they'd be just fine. But the USA is existentially invested in making sure socialism doesn't work. Are you going to claim to me with a straight face that the US hasn't been sabotaging socialist regimes?

>>129268993
If it is governments money then socialism is no different of slavery.
Science is of no use if it is not used. Soviet union stagnated and collapsed on itself. This is the effect of socialism. Unavoidable.

>>129270270
>the US government is socialism
>public funding is socialism
>government tax dollars didn't come from the private market
Time to think again friend.

>>129254652
It hurts the successful and brings them down

>>129257456
what an incredible self own. do you dress yourself in the morning?

>>129270467
It's still the government's money, even under capitalism. You try so hard not to get this stuff.
>Soviet union stagnated and collapsed on itself
No, it was murdered by an arms race with a nation run by psychopaths like Brzezinski. Do you believe all the lies your corporate masters tell you?

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>>129270390
Yes they have and as far as I am concerned good. Fuck socialism and fuck you.

>>129270479
>tax dollars come from the private market
That's called counterfeiting, nigger.
The US is the sovereign issuer of the currency. Thanks to the fractional reserve system, private bankers have gotten in on the act like the parasites they are.
>>129270865
I will fucking cheer when Russia subverts the US banking (((system))) and all you fake jews get put to the wall. Literallt nothing of value will be lost.

>>129271149
This is not an argument. The government gets its funding from private citizens in a private, capitalistic market. The fact that they issue currency does not suddenly make them socialist. Ergo your computer wouldn't exist without a private market funding R&D indirectly. Time to go back to the drawing board.

>>129270270
Same thing with internet. Networks for computers were developed by the government for military.

World Wide Web is a hyperlink system that CERN developed, but networks themselves wouldn't exist without USG.

>>129254652
Just look at Venezuela

>>129270842
This is what socialists like to think - they own everything. But they are wrong. Not all humans are socialists. Some only pretend to are. Our gene is selfish.

I had the joy to see the Soviet union fall from inside. With my own eyes. Not ebil capitalism fault - socialists did it to themselves.

Like the saying was - they pretend to pay us and we pretend to work.

>>129271639
*to be

>>129271338
>The government gets its funding from private citizens in a private, capitalistic market
Bullshit. They borrow money from the rich because they have chosen as a policy decision to make fiat behave like gold. The government does so in order to create a financial class of lords, not because it is necessary to do so. Learn some fucking macro you worthless cocksucker.
>The fact that they issue currency does not suddenly make them socialist
Never said it did. I said that the government has the power to create currency through issuance and to obliterate it through taxation. The paygo shit is a meme that sounds really convincing because poor people are used to not being able to print their own money.
Time for you to learn some fucking macro and not gargle corporate cum all the time.
>>129271639
I'm describing the state of capitalism as it is right now, donaldposter.
>muh richard dawkins
Discarded

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>>129271149
It's you who will be but to the wall commie and ironically, if you ever succeed, by your own members.
pic related

>>129254652

Socialism shares the same fate as communism.

In that it lowers the ceiling drastically to raise the floor a few inches.

>>129271149
Never going to happen.

>>129271846
>americuck
>lacks the imagination to do anything other than repeat the past without anachronism
Fuck off, donaldposter.

it denies the existence of scarcity- scarcity is not a capitalist invention, it is a BASIC PROPERTY OF ALL KNOWN LIVING ECOSYSTEMS

it's also largely the work of full time academics who've never held real jobs and have no idea how companies and labor actually function or feel to individuals, because they are essentially paid to be glorified fart sniffers, which they'd otherwise be doing for free.

>>129271937
Screencap it. I give it 10-15 years at most.

>>129271782
>Bullshit. They borrow money from the rich because they have chosen as a policy decision to make fiat behave like gold. The government does so in order to create a financial class of lords, not because it is necessary to do so. Learn some fucking macro you worthless cocksucker.
This is just nonsensical and not true.

>I said that the government has the power to create currency through issuance and to obliterate it through taxation.
OK and that's entirely irrelevant to my point.

>>129254652
Socialism can't calculate

>>129272074
False. Scarcity is not a basic property of ecosystems that are being tended. In fact, scarcity is so rare that we throw half our food away in order to keep the poor from eating it.
Neoliberal shill.

>>129271782
>donaldposter
Not an argument

Who the fuck is dawkins?

>>129254652
because communists know whats good for you and will murder you to prove they're right.

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>>129271149
>Russia subverts the US banking (((system))) and all you fake jews get put to the wall

You really ARE a fucking idiot, aren't you?

You do realize that (((they))) are the whole reason why Communism is pushed. It is the perfect system where (((they))) rule and stupid goys like you who think you have the power, are in fact, slaves.

>>129272190
>energy isn't scarce
full retard

>>129254652
It's simple.
To fund socialism you need to tax people who work, take their time.
When time passes fewer people will work since kids saw people not working still having a good life and such.
More money (time) is taken from the people who work.
This will go on til no-one works and then the system fails.

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>>129272190
>scarcity is so rare that we throw half our food away in order to keep the poor from eating it

Excellent post, friend. I can't tell if you're literally this stupid or just trolling as a moron. 11/10

>if we just steal everything in the country, forever, we'll all be rich!
>why is no one making anything, don't they know we need to steal it?

>>129272190
Scarcity is the very mechanism behind evolution. Both individual and societal level. We will see where the scarcity of sanity will lead soon.

>>129266898
knew you were cucks and this was about sex

>>129272190
omg you're a fucking idiot.

we dump tons of energy and nonrenewable mined minerals into our farms to make them freakishly productive, and we're still facing topsoil erosion at a rate that'll have us all starving in due time.

i'm not even right wing (at all) and i still want you to kys

>>129272310
Communism is not much different tof slavery.

>>129262038
>they can't even last on a micro scale
Kek
>@commies
>heartland/breadbasket
>property owners and hunters
>already culturally synced and have a strong sense of community
>implying you can force commie principals to a group of hard workers and confiscate their fruits/gains/property to give to 'da city muhfuckahz N sheeeiitt cuh!'
>implying the US military will even tolerate insurrection and possible malevolent actors syphoning any radioactive material from nuclear reactors
>implying most commie strongholds (cities) will last not receiving food shipments from heartland/breadbasket
You need us more than we need you.
>implying any unity (y'all) can be even accomplished with victim hierarchy olympics card always be played

>>129272077
Myopic.

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>>129272888
yep. Slavery for people who are too stupid to realize they are slaves.

>>129272108
>they have chosen as a policy decision to make fiat behave like gold
>This is just nonsensical and not true.
Then why do paygo laws even need to exist? Taxes do not fund spending, ever. Money paid to the IRS vanishes. Proof platinum coins minted on order of the Treasury exist. It's all an accounting matter.
Alan Greenspan, Federal Reserve Chairman.
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2012/11/will-the-real-alan-greenspan-please-stand-up-for-america.html
There is no fucking reason for an issuer of its own currency to borrow its own currency at interest, other than a choice to be indebted. If there is, name one.
>>129272310
Genetic fallacy.
>>129272318
Finite /= scarce. There is enough energy and resources to ensure a roof over every head and a chicken in every pot. Unfortunately, the chickens and their pecking orders are the ones ruling the roost rather than being useful as food.
>>129272617
Social Darwinists need to be ended.
>>129272731
>we dump tons of energy and nonrenewable mined minerals
True enough. I did say that wree tended and I also should have added sustainably. My point was that scarcity is a meaningless concept without considering demand.

>>129254652
It only works with closed or tighter borders.
Capitalistic practices will drive us towards globalization like the jews want.

>>129254652
>what's wrong
Go move to a socialist country then see if you can post here

>>129273328
You can not end laws of nature.
Btw, humans prosper and thriveon this planet only because they are incredibly adaptable and intelligent.

>>129273538
>norks
Yeah sure is working there

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>>129254652
Genetics has nothing to do with it except that Communist rule systematically murders/destroys anyone who has a genetic predisposition for hard work, innovation or ingenuity. Look at Russia today dumbass. Moscow is a big fat negative, where the gulag cities in Siberia, like Krasnoyarsk, where all the "misfits" were sent to die, are the major production centers today.

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>>129273328
refer to>>129273923

>>129273328
again, scarcity (or something quite similar) is a property of living systems.

sure, they can be balanced, and scarcity minimized, but it will always exist, and your loony philosophy preaches that it's just the man getting you down.

if you have more chickens in pots, people will have more kids. there's actually quite good data on this.

>>129273659
>laws of nature
>humans prosper and thriveon this planet
Funny, "self-betterment" as fetishized by so many posters here seems to try to do just that. So does the concept of civilization itself.
>>129273923
Stop making shit up, cuck. Tell me about the S-500 again.

>>129274855
Self betterment is a must. Without it you get stagnation. And by reinforcing something else than self betterment with positive feedback (chiken in a pot) you will get growing hordes of degenerates.. We are at this growing hordes of degenerates path currently. It will end with war.

>>129274147
Scarcity is not a property of all living systems, only those not intelligent enough to avoid it. Humans can be smarter than yeast when their heads aren't blown full of these ridiculous competitive hypotheses treated as behavioral norms.
People will not have more kids if they are penalized for it, whether by public ostracism, fines, jail, and/or neutering. It is simply a matter of setting policy and banning Mosaic fanfic. There's no reason anyone should tolerate human r-selection. Make a gore film starring the Duggars and the problem will be solved.
Also, there is plenty of good data showing that women who have the option not to breed will exercise it more often.

It's theft.

>>129275428
>Self betterment is a must. Without it you get stagnation
No, nigger, you get a steady-state. There is nothing at all wrong with a steady state. Growth is not a necessity. For someone who cites these properties of natural systems, it's odd that you've not heard of senescence.

>>129254652
humans basically, from both sides of the line

>>129275541
Steady state is not possible. Entropy erodes it into dust without betterment and struggle.

>>129275973
>Steady state is not possible. Entropy erodes it into dust without betterment and struggle.
Then explain living fossils. Evolution is not necessary, nor is it always desirable. Entropy simply needs to be fed to hold a steady-state.

>>129272703
I am not representive of them as an individual, this has nothing to with cucks when 20 % of the man take all of the woman, normal honest man are being screwed and left out and that's not healthy for society

>>129275432
Humans need to be over certain intelligence level to be smarter than yeast.

>>129276259
Living fossils go extinct when Sun expands
or humans pollute their environment.
Btw, evolution does not stop, evan if humans decide to stop evolving.

>>129276438
The level of intelligence required to not reproduce like yeast is surprisingly low. Also, spaying and neutering your cretin is not just a good idea.
>>129276885
Anthropocentrism is arrogant and tiring. I'm fine with intelligent corvids taking over in 100 million years.

>>129275432
>smarter than literally a fungus without a brain
>neutering people makes for a balanced ecosystem

like i said in my first post, fart sniffing idiots with zero common sense.

>>129254652
(((globalism)))

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>>129274855
>Please explain without using the words "Cuck" or "Commie"

>So stupid, breaks the rules of the thread.

Is your head broken? Oh yea, that's right. You are a communist.
Really, I am not surprised. All you communists have is "muh feels" arguments not based on history or facts and your petty and hilarious insults (mainly from all the projective identification you use). That is, before you start shooting and we line you up and rid the world of you civilization destroyers.

>>129277021
It's what we did in our supposed good old days.
Grow some historical perspective, neoliberal.

>>129275432
be honest, you're just on some power trip

you faggots actually think you know what's best for everyone else, because the NYT and Vice have pumped your head full of half-true
garbage.

at least the fascists are somewhat self-aware.

>>129273659
Of course you can, civilization is an example of combat against harsh natural selection. People cooperate to fight against natural selection, e.g. you don't have to stich your own wounds, have to make your own medicine, make your own food.

The reason why people started to live in communities in the first place and decided to split work was to fuck natural selection by letting people survive who could not survive own their own, so that also people who where not ultra strong could have fun and joy living in this world

>>129266898

This is true tbqh, Capitalism always puts profit first and thus things like importing millions of low paid workers to undercut everyone else is a typical example of it in action. Without a state preventing it at least, but that gets you called a gommy :DDD.

>>129254652
Socialism is when the State owns all property, as well as the products, process and profits of all industry.

The State divides the property and profits as it decides.

There is no benefit for exceptionalism, and in practice the profits are not generally allocated to capital refurbishment or expansion. True Socialism cannot, therefore, take advantage of technological improvements.

>>129277286
It can't be done. Americans are too cocksure in their beliefs, or as Mark Twain put it, "what they know that just ain't so" to be swayed by anything but verbal abuse.
>team america, thread police
>>129277404
Not at all. These are the same strategies that have been used by all sorts of human societies over the course of the ages to regulate reproduction. I couldn't care less what the Jew York Times has to say on the matter because neoliberals need to be castrated.

>>129277005
> surprisingly low
Surprisingly, niggers are not over this level.

Not believing into your species success is retardation of such level that you should be removed asap.

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>>129277656
Yea... just like Mark Twain said:

"Communism is idiocy. They want to divide up the property. Suppose they did it -- it requires brains to keep money as well as make it. In a precious little while the money would be back in the former owner's hands and the communist would be poor again."
- Mark Twain, a Biography

>>129254652
“The trouble with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money” — Margaret Thatcher

>>129277656
society was a mistake. either that or an elaborate trick so a few people could live fat off the masses. it's the same in communism as any other system, except in communism it's just called corruption.

i've always been, and always will be an anarchist.

>>129277625
So what laws of the nature did civilization end?

>>129254652

If you think of socialism and capitalism in binary terms you're a fucking idiot, end of. This is an utterly pointless discussion.
All developed economies have capitalistic and socialistic elements

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>>129254652
Stop being a goyim slave

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>>129277688
To the contrary. They are fiercely nationalistic under all that dumb bluster.

My only problems with solcialism is that it helps too many people who dont work, and would never willingly contribute back into the system, and that it always is state enforced.

>>129254652
even with zero corruption ( which is impossible )
theres a lack incentive for innovation.
thank fuck China are commies

>>129277625
Let me remind you that those collectives were warring with others. Still are. Shitty collectives perish.

>>129254652
Hundreds of millions of dead human beings. Research son. Chairman Mao. Stalin. Korean Kim Dynasty. East Germany. If socialism was so great people wouldn't flee places it exists.

Socialism focuses on distributing wealth at the expense of making it harder for people to create it in the first people. It's a system that stagnates the economy and leaves everyone equally poor.

>>129278265
Somehow their fierce nationalism does not feed them very well in their petri dish. They need external support.

>>129278265
Right. And if you don't tow the line, you die. Sounds wonderful.

>>129278129
"Survival of the fittest", Natural Selection, 40 % of the people in this thread would not be able to ever live on this planet without being born in a civilization with benefits like decreased child mortality.

Of course the law of natural selection did not end 100%, but it definetly got weakened and trolled by humans creating civilizations instead of simple single family nomad living like in the beginning of Homo Sapiens

>>129254652
It's end goal of abolishing private property and the social issues commonly held by socialists that support the grossest forms of degeneracy. The only good thing I can really take away socialism is having sensible welfare consciousness which even Conservatives have (so it's not like I'm giving it much credit).

>>129277656
You seem to like quoting historical figures without realizing their stance on the idiocy that is called Communism. You are certainly a pedantic little fucker, aren't ya? Read only the cliff notes in college eh?

>>129278300
So does capitalism. CEO pay is high because we don't have any say in setting it, and because their strict standards of morality are only for other people.
>>129278653
Whitey still controls the flow of food into that petri dish.
>>129278822
Fitness is qualitatively different under industrialized civilizations than under non-industrialized ones. Today, fitness means knowing how best to jew others.
>>129278877
Personal property isn't under attack even under Communism. Socialists only care about private means of production such as intellectual property, idle factories, and anti-farming laws, that is, exclusion from the means of production.

>>129278822
Survival of the fittest still applies. With enough mass of unfit to support the whole civilization crashes. Happened before, will happen again.

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>>129279093
They're dead, gone, and no witness to the present. I don't need to care about dead people's opinions because I can form my own, unlike your lumpen burger self. However, if they have a worthwhile turn of phrase, I'm borrowing it, because they're dead, gone, and can't stop me.
Kill yourself, neoliberal.

>>129278411
Not always, it's not a decision of nature that human collectives wage ware but it is a decision of the humans themselves. Pacifism or Communism, ideas which have been created by Homo Sapiens themselves tell you to not wage war against weaker collectives or even do not engage in war at all. Humans can decide for themselves if they want a world with unregulted natural selection or not, you want it, I don't, but it's no natural law that humans have to think like this, we are not just driven by our insticts like animals, we can express complex ideas that can change our environment totally

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>>129279384
You are not liberal. You are a buffoon. A historically naivete, little brat who graduated with a worthless arts degree that you can't peddle for more than working at a fucking coffee shop making me my morning latte. People like me will always find ways to make vastly more money than you and keep it. Your whole zeitgeist is self-defeatist. You are the ones who are a dying kind. I wonder how that thin veneer of intellectualism will fare when communist China implodes in the next decade? Will you finally see the light and realize how worthless your little world is? Until then, I will be laughing at you, while having more kids, driving a better car, living in a bigger house, with a hotter wife, and a longer life expectancy.

Also, keep smoking you little cunt.

>>129254652
People who view socialism as appealing tend to think of what they will GET not what they will have to give.

>>129279149
CEO pay is high because owners make decent profit with good and enforced policies.

>>129279673
Nature wages war non-stop.

>>129279673
Our complex ideas often lead to complex errors with huge casuality record.

What's wrong with socialism? Well, in theory it can work if a 100% voluntary population participates actively, otherwise it becomes a hellhole with no economic growth. You're manipulating money and just shuffling it around ignoring laws of supply and demand etc

>>129279936
This is a very good point.

>>129254652

> What exactly is wrong with socialism

"Fairness" is the doctrine of the ruling elite.

"Artifice" is our nature, and the enlightened who accept this truth learn to see through deception.

>>129254652
It's literally legalized theft that's designed to kill ambition.

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nigger

>>129279149
>Today, fitness means knowing how best to jew others.
Yes because you don't have to care about the basic stuff anymore like "how will I get food tommorow" because you can just simple go to walmart and get everything you need for cheap money. But you still benefited from society building up this splitting of work to get cheap services to supply your needs

>>129279313
When has this ever happended precisely? According to the darwinist definition, if the masses are to unfit the Species will die, which has obviously not happened yet and currently there more humans on this earth right now than ever before.

If a "weak" civilization has been destroyed by a stronger one, it was not because of a natural law but because the people of the stronger civilization decided too, the could have also decided to have empathy with the weaker ones and leave them alone, heck some humans don't even eat animals, Enganging in social darwinist behaviour is a subjective decision for man that everyone can decide for himself

>>129280295
you mean like natural disasters, diseases and animals?

Humans as rational individuals can build defenses to protect the collective against things like Tsunamis or Earthquakes, Lions and Plagues

>>129280466
Yeah here you're right, in the case of communism that's definetly true because it's just utopian and will never work

>>129279932
>You are not liberal
You're damn right I'm not, nigger. I'm ancom and I have no use for your ancestor worship.
>more kids
>a nagging wife
>a car
>such a cocksucking consumer he thinks these are good things
>>129279963
>CEO pay is high because owners make decent profit with good and enforced policies.
Save your little bedtime stories for the children and read some grownup truths.
http://voxeu.org/article/globalisation-and-executive-compensation
>>129280531
>in theory it can work if a 100% voluntary population participates actively
Funny funny, Austrian and neoclassical economics are based on that exact same assumption. As is /pol/ack nationalism.

>>129281554
No, Austrian economics promotes a laissez faire system, meaning nothing happens if you don't do anything. Whereas in socialism, stuff happens if you don't do anything, because other people give it to you. You either get government protecting contracts, integrity of business, etc or a government shuffling money around. Austrian is the most fair "reap what you sow" system and growth will always happen under this, or if growth doesn't happen, at least it doesn't create debt and pandemonium like all socialist countries have or will have

>>129280924
Masses died when civilizations died. Civilization =/= species.
Civilization that died was less fit than the one that survived after clash. All other points are moot.

>>129281554
Have fun lacking the blessings of the better things in life. People like me will always out-breed, out work, and out love people like you because you are so opinionated that you would get a divorce over where the fucking toothpaste goes. It's good to know that your ideology will die off with non-contributors and non-breeders in society like you. You are a malfunction of nature and time will show how foolish you are.

Keep smoking. I think you need a cigarette right now.

>>129281407
No. Like oak with leaves.

>>129281554
>I'm ancom
Time to learn some economics friend.

>>129281554
Do you understand what profit means?

>>129282026
You're stuck on micro, autist. Look at macro. The whole system only works when people believe in it and follow its value structure in order to maximize personal advantage.
>>129282112
>blessings
This is why you will be killed with no apologies, come the day of the grill. You are nothing more than a parasite.
>>129282346
>muh why don't you believe in my folk economical religions and work harder for master so god blesses you
Give up, nigger. You've already lost.