THE IRA DID NOTHING WRONG

>>129252262
>t. John Murphy III, loyal supporter of ireland

americans should be banned from making any posts related to muh heritage

>potato niggers
>discriminated against

Gee I wonder why....
If you think the IRA did nothing wrong you don't know shit about history. Bunch of scum. Taigs out.

>>129252262
>we wuz discriminated against so we terrorized innocent people and it's justified

fuck off papist scum

>>129252262
You stupid fucking left foot Catholics will get yours in time. You have a heretic that sits in the Vatican, he even licks the boots of mongrels

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>>129252262

shut fenian retard. you are papist, socialist crybabies.

>>129252262

They started because you Marxist scum would not leave the Ulstermen to live in their lands in peace. When they reacted to your terror, you took your murderous rampage to the streets of mainland Britain. You will burn in hell for all you did.

>>129253061
Why then? Tell us

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sort yourself out before you try to blame others.

>>129252847
But everyone can talk american politics right? Fuck off

Raised from a Nationalist Family. Had plenty of members of my family who were volunteers in the PIRA. Situation could have been dealt with peacefully. Even with the civil rights issues, it's not as if the death of 4,000 plus people was necessary. Live in Northern Ireland and talk to the people who lived through it. I don't think the people who were shot dead at the side of a road in Bessbrook in the Kingsmill shooting would have thought the IRA were justified.

Inb4 cuck for not wanting to start brother wars.

>>129253061
my name is tadhg, my mom named me that as a way of combating the insult. although i actually want peace and tradeing with the uk.

>>129253061
why would you use such an insult anyway. even though you invaded our home we still want peace.

>>129256371
There's autistic unionists and Republicans. I can get prods looking out for fellow Ulster Scots and wanting to stay in the UK because they aren't Irish exactly. Some Prods are just black bastards who want to larp as the Black and tans and slag off Irish people. Prods have people like that lad and we have Sinn Féin.

The IRA is pretty based.

>>129257020
Maybe the war of Independence IRA. As you get further and further along in history the shitter they get. Also have a troubling history with Marxism.

>>129257243
I'll look into that bong. I could see them becoming compromised with faggotry.

>>129252262

Shut your autistic burger mouth about things you have no idea about.

The IRA is not some edgy /ourguys/ bullshit meme to be glorified, anyone in Belfast who went through the troubles would tell you to shut your stupid face.

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>>129253061

Sinn Fein **inhales Helium** the IRA is a legitimate political party, your tone is antagonistic and you're making me very angry.

>>129257827
>shut your stupid face.
not an argument

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>>129257575
I'm Irish actually. From the North, a lot of my family was actually in the Provisional IRA in the 70's-90's. They do have a marxist issue. In Northern Ireland we also have this retarded thing were we like to sympathize with the Palestinians. Sinn Féin is literally a cultural marxist party. Pic is Gerry Adams with Antifa. Sinn FEin only want a United Ireland at all costs, even if it's 51% Irish.

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>>129252262
>civil rights movement in the 60s.
Niggers confirmed.

>>129258572
The Irish are more white than your family has been in 500 years.

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>>129258878
Get out of my country potato LARPer.

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>>129258878

fuck off mick, you lot were the first wave of foreigners that started the slow decay of the usa.

>>129259219


"This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus."

"First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.

Romans 4:4-8: Proof for
Justification by Faith Alone?

By: Matt1618

This is a posting I did in response to a message board on an anti-Catholic web site, who posted the idea that Rom. 4:4-8 is conclusive evidence for justification by faith alone. I am responding to a Protestant Apologist by the name of Wayne. I had earlier posted a response that can be found here. We discuss the issue of whether the Protestant position of a purely forensic, alien righteousness is a legal fiction or not, and whether Rom. 4:4-8 gives credence to that idea. We also touch on what Paul's citation of David's life proves. My first response will start with a > and will not be italicized.. Wayne's responses start with a > and are all red. My second response has neither a > or red font.

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This is a response to Wayne, but while I was writing, I also saw Mr. White enter the fray, and bring up Romans 4:4-8, so this would also respond to his post 'Justification.'

>>129259422
> Or if you are upset about me stating that your position being that God does a legal
> fiction and just turns away from the filthiness of man, let us consider what RC Sproul
> asserts in his book. Sproul writes "By imparting or imputing Christ's righteousness to us
> sinners, God reckons us as just. It is "as if" (Sproul's quote) we were inherently just.
> But we are not inherently just.... We are just by imputation even while sin still remains in
> us,though it does not reign in us...He quotes Calvin "To justify is nothing else that to
> acquit from the charge of guilt, "as if" innocence were proved"...When God justifies
> us...he does not acquit on us on a proof of our own innocence, but by an imputation of
> righteousness, so that "though not righteous in ourselves", we are deemed righteous in
> Christ" (Sproul,102).

> So, are you denying that there are forensic declarations made in the redeeming work
> of God?Then I suppose the legal declaration that the sins of man was inputed to Christ
> on the cross is a "legal fiction." You'll never make that case here.

Nowhere does the Bible say that Jesus was "imputed with sin." I deny that Jesus was filled with sin, as he is God. Sin can never touch the person of Christ. Christ did not suffer our punishment because our deserved punishment, apart from his grace, is hell. Christ is currently not suffering in hell, as he is reigning at God the Father's right hand. His sacrifice is a sin offering to God. Wayne's position on faith alone is biblically contravened by the context of Romans 4, passages in Romans 2, 5, 6, 8, that I gave in earlier threads, and makes Paul a distorter of the life of Abraham and David.

>>129259489
In my demonstration of the errors of Sola Fide in reference to the life of Abraham, I showed that the Calvinist understanding that is put forth on the BBS of the Accounting of Abraham as righteous in the forensic way would make the bible a pile of contradictions in relation to Gen. 12-15, Psalm 106, Heb. 8, James 2, plus the context of Romans 3 and 4.

Wayne doesn't like me saying that his concept is a legal fiction, because God supposedly actually imputes (or credits) the believer with the alien righteousness of Christ. As I originally wrote, I acknowledged quite clearly his understanding that God actually imputes Christ's righteousness to our account, and that Calvinists are supposedly clothed with this alien righteousness that can be the only thing that will stand before God on judgment day, and the works that we do are only the fruit of that righteousness. Wayne unfortunately still fails to account for the fact that his magisterium (his own understanding of scripture, heavily influenced by the rebels of the 16th century) has God, though looking at the perfect righteousness of Christ, still justifying one who is inherently sinful, or as Luther put it, a dunghill covered with snow. Thourgh God is perfectly righteous, and perfectly holy, Wayne's magisterium (himself, heavily influenced what seems to be the Calvinist magisterium) has God pretending someone is righteous, who is inherently unrighteous.

> I elsewhere state that your view does assert that Christ's righteousness is actually
> imputed to the individual. Nevertheless, Sproul and Calvin unhesitatingly assert that
> God reckons us righteous "as though" and "even though we are not righteous". You
> declare all along in your book the forensic (legal) basis of justification. Reformed (so-
> called) theologians admit that God justifies those people who are > not actually righteous.

>>129259565

God does not justify the righteous. God justifies the ungodly. That's what the Bible says. RC dogma has twisted that truth beyond all recognition.

He says the church makes a mockery of this verse. Really? His view makes God contradict the bible in more ways than one. First, it makes God take part what scripture terms as an abomination as will be later shown. Waynes position is that the one who is justified stays inherently wicked, and though God's grace most definitely will work through love, it won't cut the mustard before God's judgment. RCC dogma has twisted beyond recognition? Protestant dogma has twisted beyond recognition the scriptural accounts of Abraham & David's life, to maintain a dogma. Let us look at the context and surrounding verses of Rom. 4:5 from which you get that verse.

Romans 4:4 Now to one who works, his wages are not reckoned as a gift but as his due. 5 And to one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness. 6 So also David pronounces a blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works: 7 "Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not reckon his sin."

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>>129259300
>>129259422

wrong thread popish retard.

>>129259661

Now on Friday when I demonstrated the Catholic character of Abraham's justification, found here, I wrote that the Catholic Church denounces any attempt for people to earn their justification. The language that Paul uses here is that of condemning those who try to obligate God to owe them justification. Paul shows in v. 4 one who tries to put God in an employee-employer relationship (saying that God is obligated to pay someone or justify them, i.e. works of the law, be it Mosaic or trying on their own power to earn justification) will not be justified. It is only through God's graciousness that one will be justified (For more info, see my 4 point demonstration of this on Friday). That is exactly the Catholic position. We are his adopted children who God pours his own divine life into at justification.

The main problem is that Wayne's belief is that the one who is justified, not only is ungodly at the outset, but remains ontologically ungodly at the point of justification (even though he must and will bear fruit in sanctification). The problem is that this view not only distorts the life of Abraham a few verses earlier, but also the life of David, which Paul uses as an example to prove in verses 6-8 what he is saying in Rom. 4:4-5.

Protestantism is wrong

>>129259661
Sola Fide is for moron

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>>129259219
>>129259269
Get out of my country, parasites. Alexander Hamilton, James Wilson, William Richardson Davie and Robert Morris were all born in Ireland.

>>129259718

To prove his point Paul quotes a Psalm of David from which he elucidates his theology. Let us examine the background and the context of the psalm that Paul is quoting from. The Protestant understanding must be that here is where David is justified, and his righteousness is credited (forensically imputed alien righteousness). Since this is the point of David's justification, this must be the first and only time that David is justified. Anything done before this point of time, David is an unregenrate man, and anything after Psalm 32 David is merely for the fruit of justification, or sanctification. If David had already been justified beforehand, and here is again justified, defacto it shows that justification is a process. Any response must take this into account:

Psalm 32:1 "Blesses is he whose transgressions are forgiven, who sins are covered. Blessed is the man who sin the Lord does not count against him."

David is rejoicing here, (as in Psalm 51) that God is here forgiving him for his sins of adultery and slaying of Bathsheba and Uriah the Hittite. The time of the events that he is getting forgiveness for is 2 Samuel 11-12.

An important question that concerns us, is this the time of David's one and only justification, as a Protestant of the Calvinist leaning must hold? On the contrary, David since his youth called on the Lord to defeat Goliath. He was not unregenerate then. In 1 Samuel 13:14, years before 2 Sam. 11-12 and Psalm 32, David is called a "man after God's own heart" a distinction given to no other man in the bible. The Psalms prior to Psalm 32 were also written well before the events of 2 Sam. 11-12, which were the occasion for Psalm 32. This shows indeed that David was a true child of God before the events of Psalm 32. Otherwise, we would have Psalms written before Psalm 32 to be written by an unregenerate pagan who had no real relationship with God.

>>129259810

Although David earlier in his life was a true child of God, he did something to make himself ungodly. He committed major sin with Bathshebe and Uriah to make him become ungodly (2 Sam. 11-12). That is how he was ungodly coming into Psalm 32. How was he forgiven? By sincere repentance given in the grace of God as so heartfelt put in Psalms 32 and 51. He did not earn his way back through law, as Paul clearly states. In this state of mortal sin, he responds to Gods' grace and is rejustified. He is put back in God's grace. However, it is not David earning his way back into God's grace, not as an employee from an employer. It is a Father-Son relationship. Paul shows that works do not earn his grace back, but his justification is won back by repentance, the point of Rom. 4:4-8. Paul's sees David's acknowledgement and confession of his sin, a total reliance and recognition of God' benificience, grace and mercy, reflecting the Catholic position. He is here credited as righteousness. The fact of David's earlier Godly life, with the fact that he put himself outside of God's grace, and the fact that his repentance led him to justification shows several things fatal to the Calvinist understanding of justification that has been put out on the BBS.

1) The language used here is not meant to imply a forensic view of a one time justification. David already was a believer well before this point in time.

2) David, although he was quite clearly a believer who loved God with all his heart, fell out of God's grace by mortal sin. That is why he needs to be forgiven to be put back in God's grace. David's grace-driven repentance puts him back into God's favor.

>>129259871

3) The crediting of righteousness is not based on an acceptance of an alien righteousness. His repentance was needed to get back into God's righteousness. When one is in this state, then one has a Father-Son relationship at the heart of justification. Then, under the auspices of grace, out of love, the Son responds with works of love that is necessary for ultimate justification (Rom. 2:6-13, 6, 8:1-39, Gal. 5-6) and one becomes a doer of the law in a state of God's grace.

4) The next question that must be faced is when it says that God justifies the ungodly, does it mean that justification is not based on an infusion of grace, as Calvinists maintain? In other words, when one is justified, does the person stay ungodly, although he will do good works afterwords? Let us examine Psalm 32 itself, which Paul is directly using to elucidate his conclusion. Does justification mean nothing inherently changed in David, when he is restored to his righteousness, and is it an alien righteousness that he is credited with, as you maintain?

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At least the Irish aren't cuckolds and actually fought and won their independance from Bongs

Scotland will keep getting treated as a London vassal state forever

>>129259763
You're a nigger. You have no country save for whatever one you currently squat in. You're a part of nothing because you are nothing.

Catholic Irish are the Palestinians of Europe, fuck them.

>>129259930

Psalm 32: 1A Psalm of David. A Maskil. Blessed is he whose transgression is forgiven, whose sin is covered. 2 Blessed is the man to whom the LORD imputes no iniquity, and in whose spirit there is no deceit. 3 When I declared not my sin, my body wasted away through my groaning all day long. 4 For day and night thy hand was heavy upon me; my strength was dried up as by the heat of summer. [Selah] I acknowledged my sin to thee, and I did not hide my iniquity; I said, "I will confess my transgressions to the LORD"; then thou didst forgive the guilt of my sin. [Selah] 6 Therefore let every one who is godly offer prayer to thee; at a time of distress, in the rush of great waters, they shall not reach him. 7Thou art a hiding place for me, thou preservest me from trouble; thou dost encompass me with deliverance. [Selah] 8 I will instruct you and teach you the way you should go; I will counsel you with my eye upon you. 9 Be not like a horse or a mule, without understanding, which must be curbed with bit and bridle, else it will not keep with you. 10 Many are the pangs of the wicked; but steadfast love surrounds him who trusts in the LORD. 11 Be glad in the LORD, and rejoice, O righteous, and shout for joy, all you upright in heart!

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>>129252262
They're marxists who sucked muslim cock to the point of blowing up pan am flight 103 to please their libyan paymasters. Daddy khaddafy rewarded their loyalty with semtex and rifles. Douchebag Americans, like you, kept them going before that by giving money to noraid. You, and anyone else who gave a penny to noraid should have done federal time.

>>129260021
>You're a nigger. You have no country save for whatever one you currently squat in. You're a part of nothing because you are nothing.
Get out of my country, immigrant. I'm with Hamilton.

>>129260034
Protestants are niggers

>>129252262
Fuck off taig cunt. DUP & Tory.. putting Ulster on the map

>>129260046
We see that in the very verse that Paul quotes from, it says that in the one Lord does not impute iniquity, David's spirit has no deceit!! Thus, David has an inner quality, spiritual essnce, of righteousness. Hardly David ontonlogically staying ungodly. God now looks at David through his eyes of grace. He has went from godly (the life he lived earlier as a man after God's own heart) to ungodly (his mortal sins separated him from God and made David ungodly), back to the state of godly (and remaining in his grace via his obedience), when he repents through God's grace. David has an inner changed nature. In an earlier critique of Mr. White on his book "The Roman Catholic Controversy", I referred to this part of his book, his commentary on Rom. 4:4-8 in relation to David. I had addressed this critique to Mr. White, but this would be for any Calvinist (or Lutheran) who holds to a one time justification for a person who at justificaiton is ontologically still unjust (though reckoned as just). I will repost that paragraph from my site:

>>129260034
Interesting comparison.

>>129260174
"Is the quoting of Psalm 32 in Rom. 4:6-8, a quoting of one who is actually unrighteous, but declared righteous, solely through God's imputation just as you claimed Abraham was (though we've disproved).? Or does it quote David as though recognizing himself to be a sinner, who through God's grace and forgiveness becomes a righteous person. As you would agree Paul would not wrench scripture out of context, the best way to figure this out is looking at Psalm 32 itself. Paul quotes 32:1-2. David thanks God for his forgiveness and acknowledges himself to be a sinner. He shows his utter reliance on God's grace, no question. We both agree on that. The question is whether now that David is forgiven, is he an actually righteous person, or is only declared such. You declare that there is no subjective change in the individual (pp. 154-155). He is only righteous in the sense of being declared so. Let us look at the context of Psalm 32, which Paul uses. David writes that his sin is covered, and not imputed (vv. 1-2a). When David was a sinner outside of God's grace he admits that his spirit was wasted away. However, David acknowledged his sin and confessed them to God. The question - "Is David and God's people unrighteous sinners who are only declared righteous?" Not only does he have no deceit (v. 2b), but every one who is godly offers prayer to God (v.6). God preserves David from trouble and is the means of deliverance (v. 7), not merely a covering. David next contrasts the wicked from the righteous (vv. 10-11).

>>129260169
Proddies are morons

deal with it

>>129259984
Do you think Scotland would even be able to govern itself successfully? Not English btw,

>>129260256
. The question - "Is David and God's people unrighteous sinners who are only declared righteous?" Not only does he have no deceit (v. 2b), but every one who is godly offers prayer to God (v.6). God preserves David from trouble and is the means of deliverance (v. 7), not merely a covering. David next contrasts the wicked from the righteous (vv. 10-11). He uses absolutely no courtroom language. Your theory holds that there are none intrinsically righteous before God. According to David "Steadfast love surrounds him who trusts in the Lord. Be glad in the Lord, and rejoice, o righteous, and shout for joy, all you upright in heart." God's people are actually righteous, godly, and have no deceit. God's people are actually upright in heart! Apparently when God imputes his righteousness, it is not external. He imparts his own life into the individual. You asked in your book (p. 155) "Where is the subjective change taught by Roman Catholic theology?" In the very text that Paul quotes from! We see in this very psalm a man who is not only declared, but actually upright in heart. That is Catholic theology at heart. God's grace transforms, makes this change in the individual, and is part of justification."

It shows that at the time of justification, inherent righteousness is a part of this justification. This belies Waynes view, and shows that his view makes Paul distort David's life, not something inspired scripture is likely to do. David is credited with righteousnes here in Psalm 32. His acts of repentance thus give a crediting of righteousness. Thus, a crediting of righteousness is not a one time thing. When God justifies David, he returns him to a state of actual righteousness. The Catholic position is this in Trent. No, we do not dispute that God justifies the ungodly. As Trent says one is born a Child of Adam (and ungodly) but at the point that the ungodly child of Adam is justified, this ungodly person becomes godly:

>>129260375
Trent session 6 Chapter 4 says exactly this.

CHAPTER IV A BRIEF DESCRIPTION OF THE JUSTIFICATION OF THE SINNER AND ITS MODE IN THE STATE OF GRACE

"In which words is given a brief description of the justification of the sinner, as being a translation from that state in which man is born a child of the first Adam, to the state of grace and of the adoption of the sons of God through the second Adam, Jesus Christ, our Savior."

He no longer is a child of Adam, he is an adopted child of God, at the point of justification. When God declares, he does. Wayne's position is that what God justifies, he only declares, he does not actually do what he declares, he does not actually make one righteous. Actually, Wayne's position that God justifies the ungodly who stays ungodly elsewhere in scripture is called an abomination to God: Prov. 17:15: "Then He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD." It is not in God's character to do such a thing. In contrast to that the bible teaches that God transforms in the act of justification this ungodly person to a godly person.

>>129260414
> When something terms as true something
> that is not actually true, that is fiction. I
> read Sproul's argument that it is not a legal
> fiction (pp. 105-108), but any way you term it,
> God reckons one righteous even when he is inherently
> unrighteous. The term legal fiction is thus justified.
> Thus when I say "He does not do some legal
> fiction, and then just turn his eyes away from
> the filthiness of man" I am not creating
> a straw man at all.

It really, really bothers me when the prophets of man-centered religion attribute no
> reality to a work of God. When God imputes something to a man it is actually true. The
> Bible says if any man is in Christ he is a NEW CREATION.

Exactly, a new creation is one infused with righteousness (2 Cor. 5:17). Catholicism gives to God more reality to what he actually does. In the Catholic view, God actually undoes the fall of Adam. A new creation is not just being covered with an alien righteousness. Christ pours out his own divine life into the individual. We become partakers of the divine nature (2 Pet. 1:4).

>>129260466

>There is nothing fictional about that. When you try to make the case that you will,
> become righteous enough through your own works (whatever you think those may be),
> to become just before God, WITHOUT the imputation of Christ's perfection, you are
> out of the realm of straw-men and into the realm of making God out to be a liar.

Romans 6:7 says that one who has died, has been justified from sin (same word as was used in Rom. 4:5). Set free from sin, actually, not only declaratively so. Justification involves a real separation from sin, not a mere forensic declaration of a separation. When Christ came to set us free from sin (John 8:32-36), he gives us his own grace to purify us from all iniquity (Tit. 2:11-14). The whole Protestant analysis of Paul in Romans 3, 4, and 5 has been shown to be a fiction. God pours out his own divine life into the individual, a greater gift than just looking away from someone who is inherently unrighteous. God looks upon his adopted children as a Father to a Son, intrinsic to the Catholic concept of justification. The Protestant concept of justification has God taking part in what scripture has termed elsewhere an abomination (Prov. 17:15). That would make God a liar.

Matt

Catholicism is the only real form of christianity. Everything else is LARPing.

>>129260495
Sola Fide

BTFO

>>129253590
>pakistani's
>going to ireland

no, only england desu. we dont want to go to scotland or wales either, we want to be comfy in england. the conservatives and UKIP welcome us.

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>>129259763

>were all born in Ireland

yea and they were all memebers of the anglo/ulster scot protestant population, they sure were no papist paddies you retard.

the proper "irish" arrived in the usa only after the potato famine. they brought with them the mob (mafia) terrorism, alcholism, papism, socialism.

you guys are a cancer.

>>129260201
Not really, Brits and Israelis are white and civilized, while Palis are Muslim savages and Fenians are papist savages, that's why they had arms agreements with Libya and other Arab shitholes.

>>129260530
Salvation Past, Present, and Future

by James Akin

I."Have You Been Saved?"

This is a question Protestants often pose when they are doing evangelism, but it is a question which takes many people by surprise, including many Catholics. Some people are surprised because they never think about salvation, but Catholics tend to be surprised by it for a different reason. Catholics tend to focus on salvation as a future event, something that has yet to happen. As a result, the Protestant question, "Have you been saved?" can sound presumptuous. But the question sounds very natural to Protestant ears because Evangelicals tend to conceive of salvation as a past event, something that happens to the believer at the very beginning of his life as a Christian.

Both of these conceptions of salvation

"even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)" (all Scripture quotations NKJV)

Since this passage speaks of salvation in the past tense, something that has been done to us, it is conceiving of salvation as a past reality.

But this is only one aspect of salvation. There is an ongoing aspect to salvation as well, as is indicated in 1st Peter 1:8-9, which states,

" . . . Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving . . . the salvation of your souls."

The same idea of salvation as something that is taking place presently is found in the writings of the St. Paul as well, for example, in Philippians 2:12 he states,

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling"

>>129260123
>potato nigger is suddenly the fruit of Scottish Hamilton and his mongrel wife
My ancestors were here before this was a country potato nigger. Fuck off back to your shitty island LARPing IRA democrat cunt.

>>129260602
Protestantism is false

deal with it

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>taigs

>>129260650
Protestantism brings ruin

>>129260725
Protestantism is for morons

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>nothing wrong

Salvation Past, Present, and Future

by James Akin

I."Have You Been Saved?"

This is a question Protestants often pose when they are doing evangelism, but it is a question which takes many people by surprise, including many Catholics. Some people are surprised because they never think about salvation, but Catholics tend to be surprised by it for a different reason. Catholics tend to focus on salvation as a future event, something that has yet to happen. As a result, the Protestant question, "Have you been saved?" can sound presumptuous. But the question sounds very natural to Protestant ears because Evangelicals tend to conceive of salvation as a past event, something that happens to the believer at the very beginning of his life as a Christian.

Both of these conceptions of salvation

"even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved)" (all Scripture quotations NKJV)

Since this passage speaks of salvation in the past tense, something that has been done to us, it is conceiving of salvation as a past reality.

But this is only one aspect of salvation. There is an ongoing aspect to salvation as well, as is indicated in 1st Peter 1:8-9, which states,

" . . . Though now you do not see Him, yet believing, you rejoice with joy inexpressible and full of glory, receiving . . . the salvation of your souls."

The same idea of salvation as something that is taking place presently is found in the writings of the St. Paul as well, for example, in Philippians 2:12 he states,

"Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling"

>>129260815
Salvation in the Bible is therefore also a pr

"And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep; for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed." (Romans 13:11)

"If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (1Corinthians 3:15)

" . . . deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus." (1Corinthians 5:5)

These verses all speak of salvation in the future tense, as something that will happen to us in the future. Therefore, salvation has past, present, and future aspects or dimensions.

If we were to offer a general definition of salvation, including its past, present, and future dimensions, we would say something like, "Salvation is a process which begins when a person first becomes a Christian, which continues through the rest of his life, and which concludes on the Last Day." This definition allows the faithful Christian to do justice to all of the Biblical data by saying, "I have been saved; I am being saved; and I will be saved." It embraces all three of the aspects of salvation which are present in the biblical literature.

>>129260602
This is the truth but historically illiterate morons won't know it.

>>129260879
II.Other Aspects of Salvation

In addition to salvation as a whole, Scripture also speaks of individual aspects of salvation called redemption, forgiveness, sanctification, and justification. These share the same past, present, and future dimensions that salvation as a whole does.

A. Redemption

First of all, redemption is sometimes spoken of as a present possession of believers, which means that they were redeemed sometime in the past:

"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace" (Ephesians 1:7)

"He has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins." (Colossians 1:13-14)

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>>129260691
>shilling for popery
Britain will never submit to the foreign yoke of Romish Popery. BEGONE, ye foul taig!

>>129260650
>My ancestors were here before this was a country
Mixing it up with niggers and injuns, go back to the fields where you belong, half breed

>>129260884
Like Protestants who are so dumb they hate science

>>129260942
Sola Fide is shit

deal with it

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>>129260725

beautiful

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>>129260804
NO POPE OF ROME
https://youtu.be/YO1FthyChu4

>>129260929
II.Other Aspects of Salvation

In addition to salvation as a whole, Scripture also speaks of individual aspects of salvation called redemption, forgiveness, sanctification, and justification. These share the same past, present, and future dimensions that salvation as a whole does.

A. Redemption

First of all, redemption is sometimes spoken of as a present possession of believers, which means that they were redeemed sometime in the past:

"In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace" (Ephesians 1:7)

"He has delivered us from the power of darkness and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of His love, in whom we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins." (Colossians 1:13-14)

>>129261040
>Contradict the bible
>Contradict early christians
Proddies are morons

>>129260969
Drink yourself to death as is your "proud" tradition.

>>129261073


These verses indicate redemption was given to the Christian at the beginning of his life with God, when he first entered Christ ("in" him and "in" whom we have redemption). But there is yet a future redemption awaiting us, for we also read in Scripture:

"Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." (Luke 21:28)

"And not only they, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for . . . the redemption of our body." (Romans 8:23)

[The Holy Spirit] "is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory." (Ephesians 1:14)

"And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." (Ephesians 4:30)

Therefore, redemption, like salvation in general, is something that occurs at different points in the Christian's life. There are no references in Scripture to redemption as a present process, but given the past and future dimensions of redemption, one may wish to infer that there is a sense in which we are "being redeemed" at the present time.

>>129260879
You're a scab on the pope's syphylitic pedophile dick, thank fuck I have a filter to get rid of your pasta

>>129261198
B. Forgiveness

There are numerous places in Scripture which speak of our forgiveness as something which has already occurred to us. For example:

"In Him we have . . . the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace" (Ephesians 1:7)

"And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ also forgave you." (Ephesians 4:32)

" . . . in whom we have . . . the forgiveness of sins." (Colossians 1:14)

" . . . bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do." (Colossians 3:13)

These passages show that forgiveness is something that has happened to us in the past, but there are also passages which speak of forgiveness as something which we must continue to appropriate. For example,

"And forgive us our debts [present tense], As we forgive our debtors." (Matthew 6:12)

"And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven." (James 5:15)

"If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." (1John 1:9)

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ULSTER IS BRITISH
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QZjcjKGTSE0

>>129261203
>I hate the truth

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>>129261028
Popery is the latest in a long line of sttempts to enslave Britain and Ulster and bind us in chain, to be thrown in front of the ANITCHRIST, he who is known as the Pope.

>>129261308
Therefore forgiveness, like the other aspects of salvation, is something which is both a past event and a present process. And we know that this process will not ultimately reach its fulfillment until we finally find mercy from the Lord on the Last Day, when our sins will be firmly, finally, and forever declared forgiven. This is mentioned by Paul when he says concerning Onesiphorus,

"The Lord grant to him that he may find mercy from the Lord in that Day . . . " (2Timothy 1:18)

As a result, there is a sense in which forgiveness (God's mercy in this passage) is something that has yet to be realised. Therefore, forgiveness is therefore something which has past, present, and future dimensions.

C. Sanctification

Evangelicals often place a great deal of emphasis on sanctification as a present process which Christians undergo. However, many in the Wesleyan tradition (Methodistism, Holiness churches, the Church of the Nazarene, and some Pentecostal churches) tend to emphasize sanctification as a single event which occurs in the life of the beliver. Both groups are correct in this. Sanctification is both a process and an event in our lives.

First, let us look at verses which indicate sanctification as a past event in the Christian's life:

"And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1Corinthians 6:11)

"By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Hebrews 10:10)

"Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?" (Hebrews 10:29)

>>129260989
How many children's asses did your priest rape in the name of science?

>>129260969
THIS

>>129261335
Except Protestantism is the antichrist

This proves it

Therefore forgiveness, like the other aspects of salvation, is something which is both a past event and a present process. And we know that this process will not ultimately reach its fulfillment until we finally find mercy from the Lord on the Last Day, when our sins will be firmly, finally, and forever declared forgiven. This is mentioned by Paul when he says concerning Onesiphorus,

"The Lord grant to him that he may find mercy from the Lord in that Day . . . " (2Timothy 1:18)

As a result, there is a sense in which forgiveness (God's mercy in this passage) is something that has yet to be realised. Therefore, forgiveness is therefore something which has past, present, and future dimensions.

C. Sanctification

Evangelicals often place a great deal of emphasis on sanctification as a present process which Christians undergo. However, many in the Wesleyan tradition (Methodistism, Holiness churches, the Church of the Nazarene, and some Pentecostal churches) tend to emphasize sanctification as a single event which occurs in the life of the beliver. Both groups are correct in this. Sanctification is both a process and an event in our lives.

First, let us look at verses which indicate sanctification as a past event in the Christian's life:

"And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1Corinthians 6:11)

"By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all." (Hebrews 10:10)

"Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?" (Hebrews 10:29)

>>129261398
>I hate reality

>>129261502
These verses indicate the occurrence of sanctification as a past event in the life of the believer. But it is not only a past event, but also a present, ongoing process, as the following verses indicate:

"Finally then, brethren, we urge and exhort in the Lord Jesus that you should abound more and more, just as you received from us how you ought to walk and to please God . . . For this is . . . your sanctification: that you should abstain from sexual immorality . . . " (1Thessalonians 4:1, 3)

"Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ." (1Thessalonians 5:23)

"For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call them brethren" (Hebrews 2:11)

"For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified." (Hebrews 10:14)

(In addition to these passages, see 12:2, 13:14, 2Corinthians 4:16, and Ephesians 4:21-25.)

There is therefore abundant reason to say that sanctification is an ongoing process as well as a past event in the life of the believer. But what about sanctification as a future event in the life of the believer? It is harder to come up with verses for this kind of sanctification, but that such sanctification exists may be easily deduced.

We know from various places in Scripture that we continue to stumble and sin all the way through the rest of this life, but we also know that we will not sin after we have been made perfect either at the Last Day or at our deaths, whichever comes first. Therefore, when that event occurs, we will be made holy in the sense that we no longer sin at all, and since sanctification is being made holy, when this even occurs we will be sanctified. Therefore, there is a future event of sanctification in the life of the believer as well as a past and a present sanctification.

>>129261196
Don't drink, half breed. Shuck and jive for me nog. Your people are known to be musical

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>>129261452
/THREAD
PROTESTANTISM BTFO

>>129261557
D. Justification

In future sections, we will examine the nature of justification and how it relates to redemption, forgiveness, and sanctification, but here we should note that it, like the other aspects of salvation, has past, present, and future dimensions.

1. Justification in the Bible

First, here are some verses showing justification as a past event:

"Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand..." (Romans 5:1-2)

"Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him." (Romans 5:9)

"And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God." (1Corinthians 6:11)

Justification is therefore clearly a past event in the life of the believer. Unfortunately, most Protestants have camped out on verses which imply this and have concluded that justification is a once-for-all event, rather than also being an ongoing and not yet completed process.

But however attractive the single, once-for-all view of justification may be to some, there are serious exegetical considerations weighing against it. This may be seen by looking at how the New Testament handles the story of Abraham.

>>129261594
One of the classic Old Testament texts on justification is Genesis 15:6. This verse, which figures prominently in Paul's discussion of justification in Romans and Galatians, states that when God gave the promise to Abraham that his descendants would be as the stars of the sky (Gen. 15:5, cf. Rom. 4:18-22) Abraham "believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness" (Rom. 4:3). This passage clearly teaches us that Abraham was justified at the time he believed the promise concerning the number of his descendants.

Now, if justification is a once-for-all event, rather than a process, then that means that Abraham could not receive justification either before or after Genesis 15:6. However, Scripture indicates that he did both.

First, the book of Hebrews tells us that

"By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to set out for a place that he was to receive as an inheritance, not knowing where he was going." (Hebrews 11:8)

Every Protestant will passionately agree that the subject of Hebrews 11 is saving faith

But when did he have this faith? The passage tells us: Abraham had it "when he was called to go out to the place he would afterward receive." The problem for the once-for-all view of justification is that is that the call of Abraham to leave Haran is recorded in Genesis 12:1-4 three chapters before he is justified in 15:6. We therefore know that Abraham was justified well before (in fact, years before) he was justified in Gen. 15:6.

>>129261638


But if Abraham had saving faith back in Genesis 12, then he was justified back in Genesis 12. Yet Paul clearly tells us that he was also justified in Genesis 15. So justification must be more than just a once-for-all event.

But just as Abraham received justification before Genesis 15:6, he also received it afterwards, for the book of James tells us,

"Was not our ancestor Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was brought to completion by the works. Thus the scripture was fulfilled that says, 'Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness,' and he was called the friend of God." (James 2:21-23)

James thus tells us "[w]as not our ancestor Abraham justified . . . when he offered his son Isaac on the altar?" In this instance, the faith which he had displayed in the initial promise of descendants was fulfilled in his actions (see also Heb. 11:17-19), thus bringing to fruition the statement of Genesis 15:6 that he believed God and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.

Abraham therefore received justification The problem for the once-for-all view is that the offering of Isaac is recorded in Gen. 22:1-18 seven chapters after Gen. 15:6. Therefore, just as Abraham was justified before 15:6 when he left Haran for the promised land, so he was also justified again when he offered Isaac after 15:6.

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>>129260884

exactky. irish larpers claim everyone who was born in ireland as irish, not recognizing anyone of worth until very recently was a member of the protestant british elite that ruled the irish masses.

f.e. the duke of wellington, the one who defeated napoleon at waterloo, who was an anglo-protestant noble born in ireland said it best; "If a man be born in a stable, that does not make him a horse"

>>129261706


Therefore, we see that Abraham was justified on at least three different occasions: he was justified in Genesis 12, when he first left Haran and went to the promised land; he was justified in Genesis 15, when he believed the promise concerning his descendants; and he was justified in Genesis 22, when he offered his first promised descendant on the altar.

As a result, justification must be seen, not as a once-for-all event, but as a process which continues throughout the believer's life. In fact, it is even a process which extends beyond the believer's life. This is shown by passages in Scripture where Paul indicates that there is a sense in which our justification is still future:

" . . . for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;" (Romans 2:13)

"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Romans 3:20)

Commenting on the second of these passages, the famous Protestant exegete, James D.G. Dunn points out that Paul's statement alludes to Psalm 142:2 and then remarks,

"The metaphor in the psalm is of a servant being called to account before his master, but in the context here [in Romans] the imagery of final judgement is to the fore . . . Against the view that Paul sees 'justification' simply as an act which marks the beginning of a believer's life, as a believer, here is a further example [in addition to 2:13] of the verb used for a final verdict, not excluding the idea of the final verdict at the end of life . . . "

>>129261569
>Shuck and jive for me
I'm not your father nigger. Go dance with someone else.

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Brits out of Ireland, reeeeee.
Eirinn go bragh!

>>129261733
Meanwhile the Bible debunks protestantism
Therefore, we see that Abraham was justified on at least three different occasions: he was justified in Genesis 12, when he first left Haran and went to the promised land; he was justified in Genesis 15, when he believed the promise concerning his descendants; and he was justified in Genesis 22, when he offered his first promised descendant on the altar.

As a result, justification must be seen, not as a once-for-all event, but as a process which continues throughout the believer's life. In fact, it is even a process which extends beyond the believer's life. This is shown by passages in Scripture where Paul indicates that there is a sense in which our justification is still future:

" . . . for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;" (Romans 2:13)

"Therefore by the deeds of the law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin." (Romans 3:20)

Commenting on the second of these passages, the famous Protestant exegete, James D.G. Dunn points out that Paul's statement alludes to Psalm 142:2 and then remarks,

"The metaphor in the psalm is of a servant being called to account before his master, but in the context here [in Romans] the imagery of final judgement is to the fore . . . Against the view that Paul sees 'justification' simply as an act which marks the beginning of a believer's life, as a believer, here is a further example [in addition to 2:13] of the verb used for a final verdict, not excluding the idea of the final verdict at the end of life . . . "

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>current year
>being catholic

>>129261843


But even apart from such verses, we could deduce a future justification on theological grounds alone. Protestants place much emphasis on the declarative aspect of justification (i.e., God declaring one righteous) and they have places special emphasis on the legal/courtroom contexts in which this declaration may occur. However, the ultimate and final courtroom declaration concerning the believer does not occur until he stands before God (at his death and at the end of the world). So we may infer that the ultimate and final pronouncement of the believer as righteous does not lie in this life. We certainly are declared righteous by God in this life, but the final, consummating declaration of our righteousness will not occur until our Final Judgement, and therefore our final justification will not occur until this time. As a result, there remains a future justification for all believers.

Now that we have seen that the Bible indicates justification is a process, let us look at what Protestants and Catholics have to say about justification as a process.

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>>129261733

wrong pic

>>129261904


But even apart from such verses, we could deduce a future justification on theological grounds alone. Protestants place much emphasis on the declarative aspect of justification (i.e., God declaring one righteous) and they have places special emphasis on the legal/courtroom contexts in which this declaration may occur. However, the ultimate and final courtroom declaration concerning the believer does not occur until he stands before God (at his death and at the end of the world). So we may infer that the ultimate and final pronouncement of the believer as righteous does not lie in this life. We certainly are declared righteous by God in this life, but the final, consummating declaration of our righteousness will not occur until our Final Judgement, and therefore our final justification will not occur until this time. As a result, there remains a future justification for all believers.

Now that we have seen that the Bible indicates justification is a process, let us look at what Protestants and Catholics have to say about justification as a process.

Explain

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>>129261843
>Meanwhile the Bible debunks protestantism
Protestantism BTFO
Stop anon, they're already dead

>>129261955
2. Justification in Protestant Teaching

As we said, Protestants generally conceive of justification purely as a state rather than also as a process. However, there are a number of recent Protestant scholars, such as James D.G. Dunn, E. Sanders, and Dale Moody, who recognize the fact that it is a process. What most Protestants do not know, even those who keep up with what contemporary Bible scholars are saying, is that some of the early Reformers also conceived of justification as a process in addition to being a state.

For example, the Swiss Reformer Martin Bucer regarded man as receiving a two-fold justification. First he received the iustificatio impii (justification of the impious), or primary justification, in which he was declared righteous before God, and then he received the iustificatio pii (justification of the pious), or secondary justification, in which he was actually made to behave righteously.

But what most Protestants don't know is that the very first Protestant of them all

"Luther uses the terms 'to justify' . . . and 'justification' . . . in more than one sense. From the beginning [of Luther's writings], justification most often means the judgement of God with which he declares man to be righteous . . . . In other places, however, the word stands for the entire event though which a man is essentially made righteous (a usage which Luther also finds in Paul, Romans 5), that is, for both the imputation of righteousness to man as well as man's actually becoming righteous. Justification in this sense remains incomplete on earth and is first completed on the Last Day. Complete righteousness is in this sense is an eschatological reality. This twofold use of the word cannot be correlated with Luther's early and later theology; he uses 'justification' in both senses at the same time, sometimes shortly after each other in the same text."

>>129261999
From Luther himself
Luther himself wrote,

"For we understand that a man who is justified is not already righteous, but moving toward righteousness."

and

"Our justification is not yet complete . . . . It is still under construction. It shall, however, be completed in the resurrection of the dead."

We therefore see that, even though most Protestants deny that justification is a process as well as a state, many contemporary Protestant scholars, as some of the early Protestant Reformers, as well as the first Protestant of them all, recognized the justification was also a process.

Protestant btfo

>>129261803
Who you calling nigger, half breed? Your maternal and paternal ancestors probably had a love of slave cock, the whiter babies got names and eventually became you

>>129262098
>Protestant btfo
it is finished.

>>129262034
Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."

"Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.

"Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the bishop and the priests, and break one Bread which is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ."

-"Letter to the Ephesians", paragraph 20, c. 80-110 A.D.

>>129261733
Absolutely. And here in America, people like Andrew Jackson were Scottish. They're called Scots-Irish here. It just means they're Scots that came by way of Ireland but these retarded potato niggers who know nothing of American history hear the word "Irish" and somehow think it has something to do with them.

>>129262173
"This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus."

"First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.

"God has therefore announced in advance that all the sacrifices offered in His name, which Jesus Christ offered, that is, in the Eucharist of the Bread and of the Chalice, which are offered by us Christians in every part of the world, are pleasing to Him."

"Dialogue with Trypho", Ch. 117, circa 130-160 A.D.

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachias, one of the twelve, as follows: 'I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices from your hands; for from the rising of the sun until its setting, my name has been glorified among the gentiles; and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a clean offering: for great is my name among the gentiles, says the Lord; but you profane it.' It is of the sacrifices offered to Him in every place by us, the gentiles, that is, of the Bread of the Eucharist and likewise of the cup of the Eucharist, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it."

-"Dialogue with Trypho", [41: 8-10]

>>129262173
Go away, Frenchie. Go hang out at the airport waiting to be culturally enriched again

>>129262248
And he is stupid for being a dumb proddie
"This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus."

"First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.

"God has therefore announced in advance that all the sacrifices offered in His name, which Jesus Christ offered, that is, in the Eucharist of the Bread and of the Chalice, which are offered by us Christians in every part of the world, are pleasing to Him."

"Dialogue with Trypho", Ch. 117, circa 130-160 A.D.

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachias, one of the twelve, as follows: 'I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices from your hands; for from the rising of the sun until its setting, my name has been glorified among the gentiles; and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a clean offering: for great is my name among the gentiles, says the Lord; but you profane it.' It is of the sacrifices offered to Him in every place by us, the gentiles, that is, of the Bread of the Eucharist and likewise of the cup of the Eucharist, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it."

-"Dialogue with Trypho", [41: 8-10]

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>>129261335

antichrist will be a jew, and will promise to bring peace.

jesus fucking ulster prods might be the biggest Ziocucks on earth outside the Southern Evangelicals here who got the Scofield Hoax Bible.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm

http://www.rense.com/general60/zcre.htm

By the way, GREAT documentary on Amazon called 'After Braveheart'

https://www.amazon.com/After-Braveheart-Maurice-Sweeney/dp/B01H877ZOQ

Anglish fucked over the Scots and Welsh as bad.

The Marxist shit is cancer, but the Ulster ZioChristians might be worse. They certainly shit their diapers at the drop of a hat because they know, deep down, that they are an invented people with no culture of their own, busy hating 'papists' lol as their beloved UK is overrun with Muslims who hate Orange and Green equally.

>>129262309
Explain
"This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus."

"First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.

"God has therefore announced in advance that all the sacrifices offered in His name, which Jesus Christ offered, that is, in the Eucharist of the Bread and of the Chalice, which are offered by us Christians in every part of the world, are pleasing to Him."

"Dialogue with Trypho", Ch. 117, circa 130-160 A.D.

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachias, one of the twelve, as follows: 'I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices from your hands; for from the rising of the sun until its setting, my name has been glorified among the gentiles; and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a clean offering: for great is my name among the gentiles, says the Lord; but you profane it.' It is of the sacrifices offered to Him in every place by us, the gentiles, that is, of the Bread of the Eucharist and likewise of the cup of the Eucharist, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it."

-"Dialogue with Trypho", [41: 8-10]

>>129262422
>51 posts by this taig
wew

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>>129262248

indeed. that is the founding stock of the usa, english and scottish, sprinkled with some german.it should have stayed that way

>>129262475

DID ANY CHURCH FATHERS TEACH SOLA FIDE?
RESPONSE TO A CHALLENGE

By: Matt1618

I stated in an email to a Protestant that nobody believed in Sola Fide, or Salvation by Faith Alone for 15 centuries. He responded by showing some quotes from various Church Fathers that to him, showed that some indeed believed in Sola Fide in at least some way, even if they did not write as comprehensively on the matter as Calvin or Luther would do in the 16th century. He sent statements from these Church Fathers that he claimed showed they believed in some form of Sola Fide. I did some research on these individual Church Fathers and found that absolutely none of them believed in Sola Fide or anything close to that. Below are the contents of the letter that I was sent, and my response to that letter. I have not cut out any of his letter to me in regards to this issue. I quote directly from the Church Fathers themselves to show what they actually believed in salvation. His letter is in green. My response to him is in black.

***8/02 I have just recently updated this piece. I originally gave all the quotes from the individual books that the Church Fathers have written, but I did not state where these citations and books can be found. Here I give where these books can be found, mostly from the 38 volume Schaff edition of the Church Fathers. In this updated analysis, at the end of this, I also give the links where these quotes can be found via the reference I give. This is to give easier access to people who want to research these quotes. Also, I have directly linked all of the Church Fathers in question to both the quote in question, and the other quotes that I found. This is to provide easier access for those who want to see specific Fathers.***

>>129262542
Posts of truth

>>129252847
Anglo LARPers are much more common and therefore worse than Irish LARPers

>>129253209
>we wuz a different religion to the Irish so we occupied their land and discriminated against them and it's justified

>>129253380
Catholicism is way more legit than the Church of England which was set up just so some degenerate could divorce and remarry like it's acceptable.

>>129253413
The EU is the cancer that's killing Europe, cancer you're responsible for wafflenigger

>>129253462
Only the OIRA was Marxist, the PIRA was the main IRA during the Troubles as far as I'm aware. That said, Catholics were discriminated against in Northern Ireland before the Troubles and before the creation of the OIRA so you can't say Irish people were discriminated against for being Marxists who terrorised planters. They were simply discriminated against for being of a different ethnicity

>>129253590
Out of those flags, only Nigerians make sense. The other groups aren't really present here except for maybe Pakistanis. However, Belgium has way more blacks than we do so pot kettle

>>129262248
Here in America people like you think they're white while denying their true heritage as sons of Nubia

>>129262628

Dear Matt,
You had sent me a response to a file I had sent you a while ago, and although my time is limited now, I did want to quickly clear up a common Catholic attack to us poor Protestants, that frankly, you should be ashamed for using. Your e-mail contained the statement that "for 15 CENTURIES NO ONE BELIEVED IN SOLA FIDE". Now will you be surprised to find out that this is categorically false?


PROTESTANT SCHOLAR ADMITS NO SOLA FIDE

I made my statement because it is categorically true. In 1500 years no one taught it, as will be evidenced by this response. What one should be ashamed for doing is calling Catholicism a cult, putting the Church that Christ founded in the same category as Jehovah Witnesses and Mormons. One of the reasons supposedly that Catholicism is a cult is because we disbelieve Sola Fide. Well, I will restate it. "for 15 CENTURIES NO ONE BELIEVED IN SOLA FIDE". Therefore, according to your theory, Christ set up a church where no one could be saved for 15 centuries. There was a total apostasy on the issue of salvation from the very beginning That theory is almost as bad as the Mormons, just 3 centuries earlier than their theory.

Below I have enclosed a recent letter to someone else who demanded I produce the evidence from history, which I did, and as usual, it leaves all Catholics speechless. I will be very interested in knowing if you will be a man of integrity and delete this erroneous belief where ever it may be contained on your website or anywhere else you may have trumpeted this claim.

>>129262560
Irish ruined America, but the English ruined Ireland, so who is really at fault here?

>>129262709

This response shows that I am not speechless. I have not trumpeted it that much on my site, but this challenge makes me do so. After your prompting, this will in fact go on my site. The first thing I notice, that of all your quotations, not one of them gives a source, and when I asked you to give me the specific citations, you never responded. If I can not check (I do have 38 volumes of Church Fathers written by a Protestant publication, Philip Schaff), the citations are worthless, and I am surprised that the Catholics did not respond to you noting that fact. I note that these quotes are taken from James Buchanan, who in his book likewise just quoted, without providing specific citations makes it impossible to check the context of these quotes.

I do not even need to quote Catholic scholars to affirm that I was correct that nobody before Luther believed in Sola Fide. Before I get into the individual quotes, I will quote from an anti-Catholic, "Reformed Protestant" who likewise admits that Faith Alone is a totally new idea. Alistair McGrath, a foremost so-called "Reformed" Protestant scholar admits:

McGrath on justification and regeneration Iustitia Dei, Vol. 1
p. 182 "Although Luther regarded justification as an essentially unitary process, he nevertheless introduced a decisive break with the western theological tradition as a whole by insisting that, through his justification, man is intrinsically sinful yet extrinsically righteous."

p. 184 "The significance of the Protestant distinction between justification and regeneration is that a fundamental discontinuity has been introduced into the western theological tradition where none had existed before. Despite the astonishingly theological diversity of the late medieval period, a consensus relating to the nature of justification was maintained throughout. The Protestant understanding of the nature represents a theological novum, whereas its understanding of its mode does not."

>>129262663
You're drunk again mick. I'm not your step father.

>>129262725
Meanwhile Protestants hate science in america

>>129262845

This response shows that I am not speechless. I have not trumpeted it that much on my site, but this challenge makes me do so. After your prompting, this will in fact go on my site. The first thing I notice, that of all your quotations, not one of them gives a source, and when I asked you to give me the specific citations, you never responded. If I can not check (I do have 38 volumes of Church Fathers written by a Protestant publication, Philip Schaff), the citations are worthless, and I am surprised that the Catholics did not respond to you noting that fact. I note that these quotes are taken from James Buchanan, who in his book likewise just quoted, without providing specific citations makes it impossible to check the context of these quotes.

I do not even need to quote Catholic scholars to affirm that I was correct that nobody before Luther believed in Sola Fide. Before I get into the individual quotes, I will quote from an anti-Catholic, "Reformed Protestant" who likewise admits that Faith Alone is a totally new idea. Alistair McGrath, a foremost so-called "Reformed" Protestant scholar admits:

McGrath on justification and regeneration Iustitia Dei, Vol. 1
p. 182 "Although Luther regarded justification as an essentially unitary process, he nevertheless introduced a decisive break with the western theological tradition as a whole by insisting that, through his justification, man is intrinsically sinful yet extrinsically righteous."

p. 184 "The significance of the Protestant distinction between justification and regeneration is that a fundamental discontinuity has been introduced into the western theological tradition where none had existed before. Despite the astonishingly theological diversity of the late medieval period, a consensus relating to the nature of justification was maintained throughout. The Protestant understanding of the nature represents a theological novum, whereas its understanding of its mode does not."

>>129262895

p. 36 "Augustine demonstrates of iustitia, effected only through man's justification, demonstrates how the doctrine of justification encompasses the whole of Christian existence from the first moment of faith through the increase in righteousness before God and man, to the final perfection of that righteousness in the eschatological city. Justification is about being made just."

p. 185 "The medieval period was astonishingly faithful to the teaching of Augustine on the question of the nature of justification, where the reformers departed from it."

p. 186 "The essential feature of the Reformation doctrines of justification is that a deliberate and systematic distinction is made between justification and regeneration. Although it must be emphasized that this distinction is purely notional, in that it is impossible to separate the two within the context of the ordo sautis, THE ESSENTIAL POINT IS THAT A NOTIONAL DISTINCTION IS MADE WHERE NONE HAD BEEN ACKNOWLEDGED BEFORE IN THE HISTORY OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. A FUNDAMENTAL DISCONTINUITY WAS INTRODUCED INTO THE WESTERN THEOLOGICAL TRADITION WHERE NONE HAD EVER EXISTED, OR EVER BEEN CONTEMPLATED BEFORE. The Reformation understanding of the nature of justification - as opposed to its mode - must be regarded as a genuine theological novum."

p. 182 " Although Luther regarded justification as an essentially unitary process, he nevertheless introduced a decisive break with the western theological tradition as a whole by insisting that, through his justification, man is intrinsically sinful yet extrinsically righteous."

>>129262475
my sides

>>129253061
brits are filth that cant be trusted

>>129262941
We see admissions from a well known, so-called "Reformed" Protestant thus, that my original statement is indeed correct. My integrity stands fully in tact, thank you. The view of the Church Fathers is What God declares, he makes righteous, unlike the Protestant view of declaration only. All church Fathers saw the pursuit of holiness (only done through God's grace) as necessary to achieve salvation, not just a nice byproduct of salvation. Another dagger to the Sola Fide (at least the Calvinist view) view is something I will leave out, but could most easily be demonstrated is the fact that all saw the sacraments as God's established means of salvation. Everyone believed in baptismal regeneration, and saw the Eucharist as intimately linked to justification. If I just quoted the Fathers on those areas, that would polish off the idea that they believed in Sola Fide. However, in this detailed response, I will show that the Fathers that you cited, all showed the Catholic view, that grace empowered works were necessary for salvation, and God makes, not only declares his children righteous. BTW, many "Reformed" Protestants try to make Augustine their hero, when he specifically wrote that works were necessary for salvation, when done in God's grace. And of course, he believed in Purgatory, and all the sacraments as also necessary. There are tons of Fathers I need not quote who also believe in the necessity of works.

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>>129262362

you know all about enrichment don't you.

I'm from the dutch speaking part btw, not that it matters to you

>>129262472
>Braveheart

lmao, that piece of propaganda? they even left out the part where it was irish vs scottish because mel gibson has a hate-boner against all things england.

next you are going to tell me the patriot was an accurate movie as well

>>129262560
They started fucking the hot sexy negros they brought along with them because they were too stupid and lazy to work themselves. Creating a bunch of half breed retards. It was like 100 belgiums.

>>129262852
At least they aren't becoming the foot soldiers of every pig headed corrupt city organization in the country.

The irish fueled the union army. They make up all the goon squads in every major city.

Id rather a people who hate science than hate freedom.

>>129262970
THE CHURCH FATHERS ON SALVATION

In the quotes you gave, not one gave a hint of forensic justification. In the following quotations I will first give the Church Father quote that you gave, and then what he also wrote elsewhere to show that whatever he meant in these unverifiable quotes, it was not even close, with no real traces of Sola Fide at all, unless whatever he holds that you agree to is in agreement with Catholicism. I give lengthy quotations from Pope Clement of Rome (amusing that a Protestant will quote a Pope for reference) and St. Cyprian, and I will be less extensive but still fairly thorough with the others. This by no means is meant to be an exhaustive list, but this is what I could find going through my books and accessing the matching urls online.

>>129263037
And Protestants hate freedom

>>129263037
"With isolated exceptions . . . we find everywhere the opinions which are exactly in harmony wlth those of the territorial prince of the day, striving their utmost to suppress all differing views. The theory of the absolute Church authority of the secular powers was in itself enough to make a system of tolerance impossible on the Protestant side...From the very first religious life among the Protestants was influenced by the hopeless contradiction that on the one hand Luther imposed it as a sacred duty on every individual, in all matters of faith, to set aside every authority, above all that of the Church, and to follow only his own judgment, while on the other hand the reformed theologians gave the secular princes power over the religion of their land and subjects . . . 'Luther never attempted to solve this contradiction. In practice he was content that the princes should have supreme control over religion, doctrine and Church, and that it was their right and their duty to suppress every religious creed which differed from their own.' (64)" (111;v.14:230-31)

"The Corpus doctrinae of Melanchthon had passed muster for a long time in Saxony, but on the occasion of the crypto-Calvinistic controversies the Elector Augustus forbade the work being printed . . .; the press control, which Melanchthon had advocated against others, now hit him himself." (111;v.14:506)

"In the Protestant towns numbers of preachers bestirred themselves zealously with the help of the municipal authorities to suppress the writings of all opposing parties. 'When first Luther began to write books, it was said,' so Frederick Staphylus recalled to mind (1560), 'that it would be contrary to Christian freedom if the Christian folk and the common people were not allowed to read all sorts of books. Now, however . . . the Lutherans themselves are . . . forbidding the purchase and reading of the books of their opponents, and of apostate members and sects.'" (111;v.14:506-7)

>>129262845
You got your ass handed to you by Bangladeshi wogs and fucked out of the tournament today in the cricket lmao

You're an embarrassment to the Anglo race.

>>129263115
Protestants invented freedom to be frank.

>>129262626
>Posts of assblasted pasta
Spam really.

A) Clement of Rome

"We are not justified through ourselves, neither through our own wisdom or understanding or piety or works we have done in holiness of heart, but through FAITH."

What does Pope Clement mean by faith? How about all of his statement in context? POPE Clement of Rome, The First Epistle of Clement, Chapters 30-34, found in Philip Schaff and Henry Wace ed., ed. Alexander Roberts & James Donaldson, Anti-Nicene Fathers (Hereafter initialed as ANF), Hendrickson Publishers, Inc., Peabody, Massachusetts, 1994, Vol. 1, pp. 13-14:

CHAP. XXX.--LET US DO THOSE THINGS THAT PLEASE GOD, AND FLEE FROM THOSE HE HATES, THAT WE MAY BE BLESSED.

Seeing, therefore, that we are the portion of the Holy One, let us do all those things which pertain to holiness, avoiding all evil-speaking, all abominable and impure embraces, together with all drunkenness, seeking after change,(3) all abominable lusts, detestable adultery, and execrable pride. "For God," saith [the Scripture], "resisteth the proud, but giveth grace to the humble."(4) Let us cleave, then, to those to whom grace has been given by God. LET US CLOTHE OURSELVES WITH CONCORD AND HUMILITY, EVER EXERCISING SELF-CONTROL, STANDING FAR OFF FROM ALL WHISPERING AND EVIL-SPEAKING, BEING JUSTIFIED BY OUR WORKS, AND NOT OUR WORDS. For [the Scripture] saith, "He that speaketh much, shall also hear much in answer. And does he that is ready in speech deem himself righteous? Blessed is he that is born of woman, who liveth but a short time: be not given to much speaking."(5) Let our praise be in God, and not of ourselves; for God hateth those that commend themselves. Let testimony to our good deeds be borne by others, as it was in the case of our righteous forefathers. Boldness, and arrogance, and audacity belong to those that are accursed of God; but moderation, humility, and meekness to such as are blessed by Him.

Why are protestants such faggots?

>>129263244
"With isolated exceptions . . . we find everywhere the opinions which are exactly in harmony wlth those of the territorial prince of the day, striving their utmost to suppress all differing views. The theory of the absolute Church authority of the secular powers was in itself enough to make a system of tolerance impossible on the Protestant side...From the very first religious life among the Protestants was influenced by the hopeless contradiction that on the one hand Luther imposed it as a sacred duty on every individual, in all matters of faith, to set aside every authority, above all that of the Church, and to follow only his own judgment, while on the other hand the reformed theologians gave the secular princes power over the religion of their land and subjects . . . 'Luther never attempted to solve this contradiction. In practice he was content that the princes should have supreme control over religion, doctrine and Church, and that it was their right and their duty to suppress every religious creed which differed from their own.' (64)" (111;v.14:230-31)

"The Corpus doctrinae of Melanchthon had passed muster for a long time in Saxony, but on the occasion of the crypto-Calvinistic controversies the Elector Augustus forbade the work being printed . . .; the press control, which Melanchthon had advocated against others, now hit him himself." (111;v.14:506)

"In the Protestant towns numbers of preachers bestirred themselves zealously with the help of the municipal authorities to suppress the writings of all opposing parties. 'When first Luther began to write books, it was said,' so Frederick Staphylus recalled to mind (1560), 'that it would be contrary to Christian freedom if the Christian folk and the common people were not allowed to read all sorts of books. Now, however . . . the Lutherans themselves are . . . forbidding the purchase and reading of the books of their opponents, and of apostate members and sects.'" (111;v.14:506-7)

explain

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>>129263198
shush lad, do you know how long i've been waiting for these memes to be relevant

>>129263245
>i hate truth

>>129263319
"With isolated exceptions . . . we find everywhere the opinions which are exactly in harmony wlth those of the territorial prince of the day, striving their utmost to suppress all differing views. The theory of the absolute Church authority of the secular powers was in itself enough to make a system of tolerance impossible on the Protestant side...From the very first religious life among the Protestants was influenced by the hopeless contradiction that on the one hand Luther imposed it as a sacred duty on every individual, in all matters of faith, to set aside every authority, above all that of the Church, and to follow only his own judgment, while on the other hand the reformed theologians gave the secular princes power over the religion of their land and subjects . . . 'Luther never attempted to solve this contradiction. In practice he was content that the princes should have supreme control over religion, doctrine and Church, and that it was their right and their duty to suppress every religious creed which differed from their own.' (64)" (111;v.14:230-31)

"The Corpus doctrinae of Melanchthon had passed muster for a long time in Saxony, but on the occasion of the crypto-Calvinistic controversies the Elector Augustus forbade the work being printed . . .; the press control, which Melanchthon had advocated against others, now hit him himself." (111;v.14:506)

"In the Protestant towns numbers of preachers bestirred themselves zealously with the help of the municipal authorities to suppress the writings of all opposing parties. 'When first Luther began to write books, it was said,' so Frederick Staphylus recalled to mind (1560), 'that it would be contrary to Christian freedom if the Christian folk and the common people were not allowed to read all sorts of books. Now, however . . . the Lutherans themselves are . . . forbidding the purchase and reading of the books of their opponents, and of apostate members and sects.'" (111;v.14:506-7)

Proddi SJW

>>129263257

CHAP. XXXI.--LET US SEE BY WHAT MEANS WE MAY OBTAIN THE DIVINE BLESSING.
Let us cleave then to His blessing, and consider what are the means(6) of possessing it. Let us think(7) over the things which have taken place from the beginning. For what reason was our father Abraham blessed? was it not BECAUSE HE WROUGHT RIGHTEOUSNESS AND TRUTH THROUGH FAITH?(8) Isaac, with perfect confidence, as if knowing what was to happen,(9) cheerfully yielded himself as a sacrifice.(10) Jacob, through reason(11) of his brother, went forth with humility from his own land, and came to Laban and served him; and there was given to him the sceptre of the twelve tribes of Israel.

CHAP. XXXII
Whosoever will candidly consider each particular, will recognize the greatness of the gifts which were given by him.(12) For from him have sprung the priests and all the Levites who minister at the altar of God. From him also [was descended] our Lord Jesus Christ according to the flesh. From him [arose] kings, princes, and rulers of the race of Judah. Nor are his other tribes in small glory, inasmuch as God had promised, "Thy seed shall be as the stars of heaven." All these, therefore, were highly honoured, and made great, not for their own sake, or for their own works, or for the righteousness which they wrought, but through the operation of His will. And we, too, being called by His will in Christ Jesus, are not justified by ourselves, nor by our own wisdom, or understanding, or godliness, or works which we have wrought in holiness of heart; but by that faith through which, from the beginning, Almighty God has justified all men. Amen

>>129262809
Not drunk, not a Mick, you're a fucking half breed with nigger family values. Not everyone has a half breed whore for a mamma. How many step daddies have you had?

>>129263352
Nah man you're just flooding the thread with spam.

>>129263428

CHAP. XXXIII.--BUT LET US NOT OWE UP THE PRACTICE OF GOOD WORKS AND LOVE. GOD HIMSELF IS AN EXAMPLE TO US OF GOOD WORKS.
What shall we do, then, brethren? Shall we become slothful in well-doing, and cease from the practice of love? God forbid that any such course should be followed by us! But rather let us hasten with all energy and readiness of mind to perform every good work. For the Creator and Lord of all Himself rejoices in His works. For by His infinitely great power He established the heavens, and by His incomprehensible wisdom He adorned them. He also divided the earth from the water which surrounds it, and fixed it upon the immovable foundation of His own will. The animals also which are upon it He commanded by His own word(16) into existence. So likewise, when He had formed the sea, and the living creatures which are in it, He enclosed them [within their proper bounds] by His own power. Above all,(17) with His holy and undefiled hands He formed man, the most excellent [of His creatures], and truly great through the understanding given him--the express likeness of His own image. For thus says God: "Let us make man in Our image, and after Our likeness. So God made man; male and female He created them."[1] Having thus finished all these things, He approved them, and blessed them, and said, "Increase and multiply."(2) We see,(3) then, HOW ALL RIGHTEOUS MEN HAVE BEEN DORNED WITH GOOD WORKS, and how the Lord Himself, adorning Himself with His works, rejoiced. Having therefore such an example, let us without delay accede to His will, and LET US WORK THE WORK OF RIGHTEOUSNESS with our whole strength.

>>129262628
>anglo larpers

Your country is a socialist shithole eagerly trying to take northern ireland so you can fill it with niggers faster than britain ever could

>but laddie me countryside is all white!

Which is irrelevant in a country of 5 million people

>>129252262
>dindunuffin
except blow up kids and kill innocent people then end up stuck in the EU while we bailed them out of debt AGAIN!

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>>129263030

what is it with your obsession with race mixing?

disturbing

>>129263509
>I hate the truth

>>129263549

CHAP. XXXIII.--BUT LET US NOT OWE UP THE PRACTICE OF GOOD WORKS AND LOVE. GOD HIMSELF IS AN EXAMPLE TO US OF GOOD WORKS.
What shall we do, then, brethren? Shall we become slothful in well-doing, and cease from the practice of love? God forbid that any such course should be followed by us! But rather let us hasten with all energy and readiness of mind to perform every good work. For the Creator and Lord of all Himself rejoices in His works. For by His infinitely great power He established the heavens, and by His incomprehensible wisdom He adorned them. He also divided the earth from the water which surrounds it, and fixed it upon the immovable foundation of His own will. The animals also which are upon it He commanded by His own word(16) into existence. So likewise, when He had formed the sea, and the living creatures which are in it, He enclosed them [within their proper bounds] by His own power. Above all,(17) with His holy and undefiled hands He formed man, the most excellent [of His creatures], and truly great through the understanding given him--the express likeness of His own image. For thus says God: "Let us make man in Our image, and after Our likeness. So God made man; male and female He created them."[1] Having thus finished all these things, He approved them, and blessed them, and said, "Increase and multiply."(2) We see,(3) then, HOW ALL RIGHTEOUS MEN HAVE BEEN DORNED WITH GOOD WORKS, and how the Lord Himself, adorning Himself with His works, rejoiced. Having therefore such an example, let us without delay accede to His will, and LET US WORK THE WORK OF RIGHTEOUSNESS with our whole strength.

Sola Fide btfo

>>129263428
SLOW DOWN

>>129263614
CHAP. XXXIV.--GREAT IS THE REWARD OF GOOD WORKS WITH GOD. JOINED TOGETHER IN HARMONY, LET US IMPLORE THAT REWARD FROM HIM.
The good servant(4) receives the bread of his labour with confidence; the lazy and slothful cannot look his employer in the face. It is requisite, therefore, that we be prompt in the practice of well-doing; for of Him are all things. And thus He forewarns us: "Behold, the Lord [cometh], and His reward is before His face, TO RENDER TO EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORK."(5) He exhorts us, therefore, with our whole heart to attend to this,(6) that we be not lazy or slothful in any good work. Let our boasting and our confidence be in Him. Let us submit ourselves to His will.

Preceding this section, Clement also wrote of Rahab's justification:

Chapter 12.-The Rewards of Faith and Hospitality. Rahab.
On account of her faith and hospitality, Rahab the harlot was saved. Chapter 48 says:
Let us therefore, with all haste, put an end to this [state of things]; and let us fall down before the Lord, and beseech Him with tears, that He would mercifully be reconciled to us, and restore us to our former seemly and holy practice of brotherly love. For [such conduct] is the gate of righteousness, which is set open for the attainment of life, as it is written, "Open to me the gates of righteousness; I will go in by them, and will praise the Lord: this is the gate of the Lord: the righteous shall enter in by it." Although, therefore, many gates have been set open, yet this gate of righteousness is that gate in Christ by which blessed are all they that have entered in and have directed their way in holiness and righteousness, doing all things without disorder.

>>129263624
CANT HANDLE THE REALITY

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The Orange and the Green

https://youtu.be/Qqs4EbU02As


They can put aside history and unite in common cause, or they can become minorities in their own island as (((they))) continue to firehose 3rd Worlders in.

Seriously- wake the fuck up. Youre basically brothers.

Brothers fight and hate each other...

But at some point, they look around... and they grow up.

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>>129252262
/pol/ is an Ulster Unionist board now.

Taigs and Papists get out!

>>129263319
They'll be irrelevant again in a few weeks

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/live/2017/jun/09/icc-champions-trophy-new-zealand-v-bangladesh-live

>>129263736
Chapter 50 says:
Blessed are we, beloved, if we keep the commandments of God in the harmony of love; that so through love our sins may be forgiven us.

Conclusion - So we see that Clement's quote (the one quote that I could find) that you took was totally out of context. When he made the quote that you noted, we see that surrounding it before and after was the necessity of works done in God's grace for salvation. He was in the quote contrasting a self-righteous holiness to the holiness that must be done in God's grace. The one that did not justify, is when one tries to justify himself, relies on his own wisdom, holiness, etc. One indeed who works on one's own power is condemned by Trent, canon 1, justification. That is what Clement was condemning, and saying that does not avail before God. He specifically speaks of justification by works in Chapter 30. Notice though that those works are done in grace, as he specifically says in that same chapter. In Chapter 31 he says Abraham was blessed (and the context is speaking of justification), because of the act of offering Isaac on the altar. In chapter 34, Clement says that in justification it is requisite to our actions to be well-doing. He gives us two choices. To be a faithful servant, we labor (in grace of course) and we get the reward of heaven. However, if we are a slothful servant, and don't labor for God, we are sent to hell. Clement is obviously referring to Mt. 24:45-51. The slothful servant gets what? weeping and gnashing of teeth. That is hell. Why, because he didn't work. Then Clement says, he forewarns us he renders accoring to our works (Rom. 2:6, Mt. 16:27). If faith alone, he wouldn't forewarn us (because our justification would be absolutely assured), and we would not fear damnation. In Chapter 48 he speaks of those can attain salvation only those who direct their ways in holiness.

>>129263026
The Dutch speaking part of the Spanish Netherlands? No, doesn't matter much to me that your entire excuse for a country is divided between the pussies whose ancestors were raped by Frenchmen and the pussies who were raped by germans

>>129263795
Protestants deny the bible

>>129263808
B) Ignatius

"For His Cross, for His death, and His resurrection, and the FAITH which is through Him, are my unpolluted monuments, and in these...I am willing to have been justified."

Letter to Polycarp 6:2 "Be pleasing to him whose soldiers you are, and whose pay you receive. May none of you be found to be a deserter. Let your baptism be your armament, your faith your helmet, your love your spear, your endurance your full suit of armor. Let your works be as your deposited withholdings, so that you may receive the back-pay which has accrued to you (ANF, Vol. 1, p. 95).

Letter to the Ephesians - Chapter 20 - Stand fast, brethren, in the faith of Jesus Christ, and in his love, in his passion, and in his resurrection. Do ye all come together in common, and individually, through grace, in one faith of God the Father, and of Jesus Christ, his only-begotten Son, and "the first-born of every creature, but of the seed of David according to the flesh, being under the guidance of the Comforter, in obedience to the bishop and the presbytery with an undivided mind, breaking one and the same bread, which is the medicine of immortality, and the antidote which prevents us from dying, but a cleansing remedy driving away evil, (which causes) that we should live in God through Jesus Christ. (ANF, vol. 1, p. 57)

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>>129252262
UVF did nothing wrong, catholics don't deserve the same rights as anyone else, fuck the pope and fuck (((irish americans))).

>>129263826

Letter to the Ephesians - Chapter 5 Let no man deceive himself; if any one be not within the altar, he is deprived of the bread of God.... Do ye beloved, be careful to be subject to the bishop, and the presbyters and the deacons. For he that is subject to these is obedient to Christ, who has appointed them; but he that he is disobedient to these is disobedient to Christ Jesus. And "he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him."(ANF, vol. 1, p. 51)

Letter to the Magnesians - Chapter 5 - Seeing then, all things have an end, there is set before us life upon our observance of God's precepts, but death as the result of disobedience, and every one, according to the choice he makes, shall go to his own place, let us flee from death, and make choice of life. The truly devout man is the right kind of coin, stamped by God himself. The ungodly man, again, is false coin, unlawful, spurious, counterfeit, wrought not by God, but by the devil. I do not mean to say that there are two different human natures, but that there is one humanity, sometimes belonging to God, and sometimes to the devil. If any one is truly religious, he is a man of God; but if he is irreligious, he is a man of the devil, made such, not by nature, but by his own choice. The unbelieving bear the image of the prince of wickedness. The believing possess the image of their Prince, God the Father, and Jesus Christ, through whom, if we are not in readiness to die for the truth into his passion, his life is not in us. (ANF, vol. 1, p. 61)

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>>129263826

>pussies who were raped by germans

when did that happen?

>>129263549
>what is it with your obsession with race mixing?
All the taigs over here are like that. As an example, Teddy Kennedy supported the 1965 immigration act which doomed my country to be flooded by millions of shit skins.

>>129263985

Letter to the Ephesians - Chapter 5 Let no man deceive himself; if any one be not within the altar, he is deprived of the bread of God.... Do ye beloved, be careful to be subject to the bishop, and the presbyters and the deacons. For he that is subject to these is obedient to Christ, who has appointed them; but he that he is disobedient to these is disobedient to Christ Jesus. And "he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him."(ANF, vol. 1, p. 51)

Letter to the Magnesians - Chapter 5 - Seeing then, all things have an end, there is set before us life upon our observance of God's precepts, but death as the result of disobedience, and every one, according to the choice he makes, shall go to his own place, let us flee from death, and make choice of life. The truly devout man is the right kind of coin, stamped by God himself. The ungodly man, again, is false coin, unlawful, spurious, counterfeit, wrought not by God, but by the devil. I do not mean to say that there are two different human natures, but that there is one humanity, sometimes belonging to God, and sometimes to the devil. If any one is truly religious, he is a man of God; but if he is irreligious, he is a man of the devil, made such, not by nature, but by his own choice. The unbelieving bear the image of the prince of wickedness. The believing possess the image of their Prince, God the Father, and Jesus Christ, through whom, if we are not in readiness to die for the truth into his passion, his life is not in us. (ANF, vol. 1, p. 61)

Explain this

>>129264036

Conclusion - In Ignatius we have one who says that in order for one to attain eternal life we need to partake of the Eucharist and drive away, not cover, sin. We see the Catholic concept of merit as availing before God. One must partake of the sacrifice (note altar) of the Eucharist. One must obey the bishop in order to partake of eternal life. Then we see Ignatius say that if one wants to partake of eternal life, one must be obedient even until death. If one backslides and stays backslidden, the person is eternally lost. Not a hint of Sola Fide.


C) Justin Martyr

C)"No longer by the blood of goats...are sins purged, BUT BY FAITH, through the blood of Christ..."

First Apology 43 We have learned from the prophets and we hold it as true that punishments and chastisements and good rewards are distributed according to the merit of each man's actions. Were this not the case, and were all things to happen according to the decree of fate, there would be nothing at all in our power. If fate decrees that this man is to be good and that one wicked, then neither is the former to be praised nor the latter to be blamed. (ANF, vol. 1, p. 177)

. Dialogue with Trypho, chapter 45 - Since those who did that which is universally, naturally, and eternally good are pleasing to God, they shall be saved through this Christ in the resurrection equally with those righteous men who were before them, namely Noah, and Enoch, and Jacob, and who have known this Christ, Son of God. (ANF, vol. 1, p. 217)

The First Apology of Justin - chapter 21 - And we have learned that those only are deified who have lived near to God in holiness and virtue; and we believe that those who live wickedly and do not repent are punished in everlasting fire. (ANF, vol. 1, p. 170)

>>129262173
>Loyalist in a gimp suit

Pretty much sums them up

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>>129263985

>catholics don't deserve the same rights as anyone else

very true, even Locke, the arch-liberal knew that.

>>129264111

The First Apology of Justin - chapter 12 - Each man goes to everlasting punishment or salvation according to the value of his actions. For if all men knew this, no one would choose wickedness even for a little, knowing that he goes to the everlasting punishment of fire. but would by all means restrain himself and adorn himself with virtue, that he might obtain the good gifts of God, and escape the punishments(ANF, vol. 1, p. 166). The First Apology of Justin - chapter 16 For not those who make profession, but those who do the works, shall be saved, according to his word: "not everyone who saith to me Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven, but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. By their works ye shall know them and every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, is hewn down and cast in to the fire. (Mt. 7:17-21)" (ANF, vol. 1, p. 177)

Conclusion - St. Justin Martyr shows that one must do works in order to be saved. One must adorn himself with good works in order to be saved.. One must partake of God's divine nature and reflect God's holiness in their lives in order to attain everlasting life. Not a hint of Sola Fide.

>>129264042
Such words should not apply to blasphemers

>>129264128
"With isolated exceptions . . . we find everywhere the opinions which are exactly in harmony wlth those of the territorial prince of the day, striving their utmost to suppress all differing views. The theory of the absolute Church authority of the secular powers was in itself enough to make a system of tolerance impossible on the Protestant side...From the very first religious life among the Protestants was influenced by the hopeless contradiction that on the one hand Luther imposed it as a sacred duty on every individual, in all matters of faith, to set aside every authority, above all that of the Church, and to follow only his own judgment, while on the other hand the reformed theologians gave the secular princes power over the religion of their land and subjects . . . 'Luther never attempted to solve this contradiction. In practice he was content that the princes should have supreme control over religion, doctrine and Church, and that it was their right and their duty to suppress every religious creed which differed from their own.' (64)" (111;v.14:230-31)

"The Corpus doctrinae of Melanchthon had passed muster for a long time in Saxony, but on the occasion of the crypto-Calvinistic controversies the Elector Augustus forbade the work being printed . . .; the press control, which Melanchthon had advocated against others, now hit him himself." (111;v.14:506)

"In the Protestant towns numbers of preachers bestirred themselves zealously with the help of the municipal authorities to suppress the writings of all opposing parties. 'When first Luther began to write books, it was said,' so Frederick Staphylus recalled to mind (1560), 'that it would be contrary to Christian freedom if the Christian folk and the common people were not allowed to read all sorts of books. Now, however . . . the Lutherans themselves are . . . forbidding the purchase and reading of the books of their opponents, and of apostate members and sects.'" (111;v.14:506-7)

>>129264036
Says the half breed.

>>129264198
Protestants contrADICT THE BIBLE AND EARLY CHRISTIANS

We Irish apoligise for the fucking plastics, not much we can do though

>>129264250
D) The author of the Epistle to Diognetus

For what, save His righteousness, could cover our sins? In whom...could we be justified, save in the Son of God ALONE?"

The author of the Epistle to Diognetus 8 - He sought to form a mind conscious of righteousness, so that being convinced in that time of our unworthiness of attaining life through our own works, it should now, through the kindness of Gob, be vouchsafed to us; and having made it manifest that in ourselves we were unable to enter into the kingdom of God, we might through the power of God BE MADE ABLE. (ANF, vol. 1, p. 28)

The author of the Epistle to Diognetus 8 Having therefore convinced us in the FORMER TIME THAT OUR NATURE WAS UNABLE to attain to life, and having now revealed the savior who is able to save even those things which it was formerly impossible to save, by both these facts he desired to lead us to trust in his kindness, to esteem him our nourisher, Father, Teacher, counselor, Healer, our Wisdom , Light, Honour, Glory, Power, and Life, so that we should not be anxious concerning clothing and food.

>>129264313
He who takes upon himself the burden of his neighbour; he who, in whatsoever respect he may be superior, is ready to benefit another who is deficient; he who whatsoever thing he has received from God, by distributing these to the needy, becomes a god to those who receive his benefits: he is an imitator of God. Then thou shalt see, while still on earth that God in the heavens rules over the universe; then thou shalt see, while still on earth that God in the heavens rules over the universe; then thou shalt begin to speak the mysteries of God; then shalt thou both love and admire those that suffer punishment because they will not deny God (ANF, vol. 1, p. 177)

Conclusion - In this very short letter, there is not much in regards to justification. But of what is there, we see that what justifies is a making just, not a mere declaring just. Our own righteousness and works without grace merits nothing before God (Trent, canon 1, justification). God's grace does not merely cover us but makes us able. What was in the former nature unable to be just in God's sight is cleansed now by God's grace to merit justification. Nothing about a pile of dung just covered with snow (Luther). Not a hint of Sola Fide.

>>129264179
Motherfucker, didn't you say 'in conclusion' ? Why are you still going on?

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any self respecting irish man should not contribute to this forum.

these people are not your friends, this is not a place for open discussion, its just somewhere to troll shills and little dickheads who dont matter :)

Protestants are basically niggers.

>>129264271
(((catholics))) are roman cultists, the reformation stripped us of their hubris.

>>129264398
E) Cyprian

"If Abraham believed in God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness, then each one...who lives by faith, is found to be a righteous person..."

Treatise 1, On the Unity of the Catholic Church 15, 1st ed. [A.D. 251]).The Lord denounces [Christian evildoers], and says, 'Many shall say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, and in Your name have cast out devils, and in Your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity' [Matt. 7:21-23]. There is need of righteousness, that one may deserve well of God the Judge; we must obey His precepts and warnings, that our merits may receive their reward (ANF, vol. 5, p. 426).

Treatise 8, Works and Almsgivings 14 [A.D. 253You therefore, who are rich and wealthy, buy for yourself of Christ gold tried by fire; that you may be pure gold, with your filth burnt out as if by fire, if you are purged by almsgiving and righteous works. Buy for yourself white raiment, that you who had been naked according to Adam, and were before frightful and unseemly, may be clothed with the white garment of Christ. And you who are a wealthy and rich matron in Christ's Church, anoint your eyes, not with the collyrium of the devil, but with Christ's eye-salve, that you may be able to attain to see God, by deserving well of God, both by good works and character (ANF, vol. 5, p. 480).

there IS MORE THAN ONE CHURCH FATHER DUMMY PRODDY

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>>129264008
>Bot using South Africa's real flag

Absolutely disgusting.

>>129264483
"With isolated exceptions . . . we find everywhere the opinions which are exactly in harmony wlth those of the territorial prince of the day, striving their utmost to suppress all differing views. The theory of the absolute Church authority of the secular powers was in itself enough to make a system of tolerance impossible on the Protestant side...From the very first religious life among the Protestants was influenced by the hopeless contradiction that on the one hand Luther imposed it as a sacred duty on every individual, in all matters of faith, to set aside every authority, above all that of the Church, and to follow only his own judgment, while on the other hand the reformed theologians gave the secular princes power over the religion of their land and subjects . . . 'Luther never attempted to solve this contradiction. In practice he was content that the princes should have supreme control over religion, doctrine and Church, and that it was their right and their duty to suppress every religious creed which differed from their own.' (64)" (111;v.14:230-31)

"The Corpus doctrinae of Melanchthon had passed muster for a long time in Saxony, but on the occasion of the crypto-Calvinistic controversies the Elector Augustus forbade the work being printed . . .; the press control, which Melanchthon had advocated against others, now hit him himself." (111;v.14:506)

"In the Protestant towns numbers of preachers bestirred themselves zealously with the help of the municipal authorities to suppress the writings of all opposing parties. 'When first Luther began to write books, it was said,' so Frederick Staphylus recalled to mind (1560), 'that it would be contrary to Christian freedom if the Christian folk and the common people were not allowed to read all sorts of books. Now, however . . . the Lutherans themselves are . . . forbidding the purchase and reading of the books of their opponents, and of apostate members and sects.'" (111;v.14:506-7)

REFORMATION

>>129264493

Treatise, 8, Works and Almsgivings - 1. But, moreover, what is that providence, and how great the clemency, that by a plan of salvation it is provided for us, that more abundant care should be taken for preserving man after he is already redeemed! For when the Lord at His advent had cured those wounds which Adam had borne,(3) and had healed the old poisons of the serpent,(4) He gave a law to the sound man and bade him sin no more, lest a worse thing should befall the sinner. We had been limited and shut up into a narrow space by the commandment of innocence. Nor would the infirmity and weakness of human frailty have any resource, unless the divine mercy, coming once more in aid, should open some way of securing salvation by pointing out works of justice and mercy, so that by almsgiving we may wash away whatever foulness we subsequently contract.(5) You therefore, who are rich and wealthy, buy for yourself of Christ gold tried by fire; that you may be pure gold, with your filth burnt out as if by fire, if you are purged by almsgiving and righteous works. Buy for yourself white raiment, that you who had been naked according to Adam, and were before frightful and unseemly, may be clothed with the white garment of Christ. And you who are a wealthy and rich matron in Christ's Church,43 anoint your eyes, not with the collyrium of the devil,44 but with Christ's eye-salve, that you may be able to attain to see God, by deserving well of God, both by good works and character (ANF, vol. 5, p. 480). .

>>129264483
Without us, you'd be beheading other shitskins after fucking your 9 year old wife.

>>129264128
What's your deal, Frenchie? Your country's a bad joke disguised as a buffer state so you need to role play as a Scot?

>>129264603
Cyprian- Treatise 8, Works and Almsgiving - 2. The Holy Spirit speaks in the sacred Scriptures, and says, "By almsgiving and faith sins are purged."(Prov. 16:6) Not assuredly those sins which had been previously contracted, for those are purged by the blood and sanctification of Christ. Moreover, He says again, "As water extinguisheth fire, so almsgiving quencheth sin." (Sirach; 3:30) (Cyprian quotes from the Deuterocanonicals, reflecting the fact that these books rejected by Protestants were seen as Scripture)Here also it is shown and proved, that as in the layer of saving water the fire of Gehenna is extinguished, so by almsgiving and works of righteousness the flame of sins is subdued. And because in baptism remission of sins is granted once for all, constant and ceaseless labour, following the likeness of baptism, once again bestows the mercy of God. The Lord teaches this also in the Gospel. For when the disciples were pointed out, as eating and not first washing their hands, He replied and said, "He that made that which is within, made also that which is without. But give alms, and behold all things are clean unto you;"(8) teaching hereby and showing, that not the hands are to be washed, but the heart, and that the foulness from inside is to be done away rather than that from outside; but that he who shall have cleansed what is within has cleansed also that which is without; and that if the mind is cleansed, a man has begun to be clean also in skin and body. Further, admonishing, and showing whence we may be clean and purged, He added that alms must be given. He who is pitiful teaches and warns us that pity must be shown; and because He seeks to save those whom at a great cost He has redeemed, He teaches that those who, after the grace of baptism, have become foul, may once more be cleansed (ANF, vol. 5, p. 476).

>>129264179
You are a born again gimp arnt you? Gway im not reading that filthy shite

>>129264398
Because his goal is to spam the thread until it hits bump limit. It's a way of shutting down discussion you dumb nigger. Put down the bottle.
>>129264276
Your American cousins are all subhumans but you seem reasonable.

>>129263536
Just because we don't have to pay €50,000 to go to the hospital or €100,000 to go college doesn't mean we're socialist faggot. We want Northern Ireland because the island of Ireland should be a Celtic, Catholic ethnostate not because we just want to flood it with brown people for arbitrary reasons.

Also the population size is irrelevant. Japan has a population of 120 million but is 99% Japanese. It's not impossible to achieve homogeneity with a large population. You just tell yourself that because you regret America's decision to embrace being a melting pot.

>>129264639

. The remedies for propitiating God are given in the words of God Himself; the divine instructions have taught what sinners ought to do, that by works of righteousness God is satisfied, that with the deserts of mercy sins are cleansed. And in Solomon we read, "Shut up alms in the heart of the poor, and these shall intercede for thee from all evil."(Sirach 29:12) And again: "Whoso stoppeth his ears that he may not hear the weak, he also shall call upon God, and there will be none to hear him."(Prov. 21:13) For he shall not be able to deserve the mercy of the Lord, who himself shall not have been merciful; nor shall he obtain aught from the divine pity in his prayers, who shall not have been humane towards the poor man's prayer. And this also the Holy Spirit declares in the Psalms, and proves, saying, Blessed is he that considereth of the poor and needy; the Lord will deliver him in the evil day."(Ps. 12:1) Remembering which precepts, Daniel, when king Nebuchodonosor was in anxiety, being frightened by an adverse dream, gave him, for the turning away of evils, a remedy to obtain the divine help, saying, "Wherefore, O king, let my counsel be acceptable to thee; and redeem thy sins by almsgivings, and thine unrighteousness by mercies to the poor, and God will be patient(6) to thy sins."(Dan. 4:27) And as the king did not obey him, he underwent the misfortunes and mischiefs which he had seen, and which he might have escaped and avoided had he redeemed his sins by almsgiving. Raphael the angel also witnesses the like, and exhorts that alms should be freely and liberally bestowed, saying, "Prayer is good, with fasting and alms; because alms doth deliver from death, and it purgeth away sins."(Tobit 12:8, 9) (Cyprian quotes from a Deuterocanonical book as Scripture again) (ANF, vol. 5, p. 477).

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>>129264690
"With isolated exceptions . . . we find everywhere the opinions which are exactly in harmony wlth those of the territorial prince of the day, striving their utmost to suppress all differing views. The theory of the absolute Church authority of the secular powers was in itself enough to make a system of tolerance impossible on the Protestant side...From the very first religious life among the Protestants was influenced by the hopeless contradiction that on the one hand Luther imposed it as a sacred duty on every individual, in all matters of faith, to set aside every authority, above all that of the Church, and to follow only his own judgment, while on the other hand the reformed theologians gave the secular princes power over the religion of their land and subjects . . . 'Luther never attempted to solve this contradiction. In practice he was content that the princes should have supreme control over religion, doctrine and Church, and that it was their right and their duty to suppress every religious creed which differed from their own.' (64)" (111;v.14:230-31)

"The Corpus doctrinae of Melanchthon had passed muster for a long time in Saxony, but on the occasion of the crypto-Calvinistic controversies the Elector Augustus forbade the work being printed . . .; the press control, which Melanchthon had advocated against others, now hit him himself." (111;v.14:506)

"In the Protestant towns numbers of preachers bestirred themselves zealously with the help of the municipal authorities to suppress the writings of all opposing parties. 'When first Luther began to write books, it was said,' so Frederick Staphylus recalled to mind (1560), 'that it would be contrary to Christian freedom if the Christian folk and the common people were not allowed to read all sorts of books. Now, however . . . the Lutherans themselves are . . . forbidding the purchase and reading of the books of their opponents, and of apostate members and sects.'" (111;v.14:506-7)

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>>129264631

>so you need to role play

the irony of a larping 1/64th irish american saying that

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>>129264612
Tell that to the republic's new fag indian prime minister, you ethnic subhuman, remove potato from ulster.

>>129264811
F) Athanasius

"Not by these, i.e. works, but by FAITH, a man is justified as was Abraham...IN NO OTHER MANNER can there be redemption..."

Festal letter 11, 338 AD. 7 - Hence meditation on the law is necessary, my beloved, and uninterrupted converse with virtue, 'that the saint may lack nothing, but be perfect to every good works[2 Tim. 3:17].' For by these things is the promise of eternal life, as Paul wrote to Timothy, calling constant meditation exercise, and saying, 'Exercise thyself unto godliness; for bodily exercise profiteth little; but godliness is profitable for all things, since it has the promise of the present life, and of that which is eternal[20] Philip Schaff and Henry Wace ed. Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Second Series (Hereafter initialed as NPNP2), Hendrickson Publishers, Inc., Peabody, Massachusetts, 1994, Vol. 4, pp. 535) .'

Festal Letter 11. 10 For of these two things we speak of - faith and godliness-the hope is the same even everlasting life; for he saith, 'Fight the good fight of faith; lay hold on eternal life.' And 'exercise thyself unto godliness, for it hath the promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.' (1 Tim. 4:7,8)….and when he has been practiced by exercise in godliness, he will lay hold on the confession of faith, which also Paul, after he had fought the fight, possessed, namely, the crown of righteousness which was laid up; which the righteous Judge will give, not to him alone, but to all who are like him (NPNP2, vol. 4, p. 536).

>>129264740
*scotland, stupid ethnic potato burger.

>>129252262
You guys had my support until you started blowing up civvies and even worse you killed Mountbatten.
I just as bad shit, if not worse has been thrown Irelands way but the whole idea was to make yourselves appear legitimate, kill only those who armed themselves against you. Now the IRA is just a band of terrorists.

>>129264833
REMOVE PRODDI

F) Athanasius

"Not by these, i.e. works, but by FAITH, a man is justified as was Abraham...IN NO OTHER MANNER can there be redemption..."

Festal letter 11, 338 AD. 7 - Hence meditation on the law is necessary, my beloved, and uninterrupted converse with virtue, 'that the saint may lack nothing, but be perfect to every good works[2 Tim. 3:17].' For by these things is the promise of eternal life, as Paul wrote to Timothy, calling constant meditation exercise, and saying, 'Exercise thyself unto godliness; for bodily exercise profiteth little; but godliness is profitable for all things, since it has the promise of the present life, and of that which is eternal[20] Philip Schaff and Henry Wace ed. Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers Second Series (Hereafter initialed as NPNP2), Hendrickson Publishers, Inc., Peabody, Massachusetts, 1994, Vol. 4, pp. 535) .'

Festal Letter 11. 10 For of these two things we speak of - faith and godliness-the hope is the same even everlasting life; for he saith, 'Fight the good fight of faith; lay hold on eternal life.' And 'exercise thyself unto godliness, for it hath the promise of the life that now is, and of that which is to come.' (1 Tim. 4:7,8)….and when he has been practiced by exercise in godliness, he will lay hold on the confession of faith, which also Paul, after he had fought the fight, possessed, namely, the crown of righteousness which was laid up; which the righteous Judge will give, not to him alone, but to all who are like him (NPNP2, vol. 4, p. 536).

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>>129264740

and another plastic paddy appears.

>>129264898

Festal Letter 14. 2 He purifies our souls, as Jeremiah the prophet says in a certain place, 'Stand in the ways and see, and enquire, and look which is the good path, and ye shall find in it cleansing for your souls (Jer. 6:16). Of old time, the blood of he-goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkled upon those who were unclean, were fit only to purify the flesh; but now through the grace of God the Word, every man is thoroughly CLEANSED (NPNP2, vol. 4, p. 542) .

Incarnation of the Word - 56. 4 He is to come, no more to suffer, but thenceforth to render to all the fruit of his own cross, that is, the resurrection and incorruption; and no longer to be judged, but to judge all, by what each has done in the body, whether good or evil; where there is laid up for the good the kingdom of heaven, but for them that have done evil everlasting fire and outer darkness. For thus the Lord himself also says: "Henceforth ye shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven in the glory of the Father. Matt. 25:31" (Matt's interjection - By the way, how anybody say they believe in the bible read Matt. 25:31-46 and believe in salvation by faith alone is beyond me)…For according to the blessed Paul: "We must all stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, that each one may receive according as he hath done in the body whether it be good or bad." (NPNP2, vol. 4, p. 66).

>>129264693
Is that an honorary nigger? Coming from a member of the half nigger community? Thanks bro, sorry about calling you a rape baby that should've been drowned in a tub of warm water at birth

>>129264928

Festal Letter 14. 2 He purifies our souls, as Jeremiah the prophet says in a certain place, 'Stand in the ways and see, and enquire, and look which is the good path, and ye shall find in it cleansing for your souls (Jer. 6:16). Of old time, the blood of he-goats and the ashes of a heifer, sprinkled upon those who were unclean, were fit only to purify the flesh; but now through the grace of God the Word, every man is thoroughly CLEANSED (NPNP2, vol. 4, p. 542) .

Incarnation of the Word - 56. 4 He is to come, no more to suffer, but thenceforth to render to all the fruit of his own cross, that is, the resurrection and incorruption; and no longer to be judged, but to judge all, by what each has done in the body, whether good or evil; where there is laid up for the good the kingdom of heaven, but for them that have done evil everlasting fire and outer darkness. For thus the Lord himself also says: "Henceforth ye shall see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of power, and coming on the clouds of heaven in the glory of the Father. Matt. 25:31" (Matt's interjection - By the way, how anybody say they believe in the bible read Matt. 25:31-46 and believe in salvation by faith alone is beyond me)…For according to the blessed Paul: "We must all stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, that each one may receive according as he hath done in the body whether it be good or bad." (NPNP2, vol. 4, p. 66).
EXPLAIN

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>>129264833
>UK in a cuck contest with Ireland

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>>129264833
"Smash sinn féin"

If only you autistic LARPers grip on reality was as firm as Paisley's grip on that hammer you'd be doing well!!

>>129264992
. Faith is godliness. How one lives his life is what is judged and determinative of their final destiny before God in the final judgement, not merely whether one has received Christ's imputed righteousness. God's grace purifies and that purification is what avails before God in the final judgment. Another aspect of Athanasius is that through God's grace man is divinized (actually made partakers of the divine nature, and that partaking of nature is intimately connected with justification) but not directly related so no quotations in that area. One thing, it is that Sola Fide is the farthest thing from Athanasius' mind. Not a hint of Sola Fide.


G) Basil

"This is the true and perfect glorying in God...to be justified by FAITH ALONE IN CHRIST..."

On Psalm 114, no. 5 - "Turn to your rest; for the Lord has been kind to you." Eternal rest awaits those who have struggled through the present life observant of the laws, not as payment owed for their works, but bestowed as a gift of the munificent God on those who have hoped in him. William Jurgens, The Faith of the Early Fathers, The Liturgical Press, Collegeville, Minnesota, 1979, p. 22.

On the Spirit, Chap. 16, 40 They, then, that were sealed by the Spirit unto the day of redemption,(7) and preserve pure anti undiminished the first fruits which they received of the Spirit, are they that shall hear the words "well done thou good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things."(8) In like manner they which have grieved the Holy Spirit by the wickedness of their ways, or have not wrought for Him that gave to them, shall be deprived of what they have received, their grace being transferred to others; or, according to one of the evangelists, they shall even be wholly cut asunder,(9)--the cutting asunder meaning complete separation from the Spirit (NPNP2, vol. 8, p. 25).

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>>129264928

Triggered?

http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2013/03/02/the-misplaced-minister-ireland-and-israels-alan-shatter/

>>129265045

Letter 174 - Truly blessed is the soul, which by night and by day has no other anxiety than how, when the great day comes wherein all creation shall stand before the Judge and shall give an account for its deeds, she too may be able easily to get quit of the reckoning of life. For he who keeps that day and that hour ever before him, and is ever meditating upon the defence to be made before the tribunal where no excuses will avail, will sin not at all, or not seriously, for we begin to sin when there is a lack of the fear of God in us.... Even while we are living this life in the flesh, prayer will be a mighty helper to as, and when we are departing hence it will be a sufficient provision for us on the journey to the world to come (NPNP2, vol. 8, p. 220).

Conclusion - Faith Alone with Basil means that this faith must struggle along and by God's grace merit salvation. Prayer, and reliance upon the Spirit is a process that must be relied upon to achieve eternal life. Not a hint of Sola Fide.

>>129265109
>2
H) Ambrose

"Without the works of the law, but by FAITH ALONE...there is therefore no need of the law, since through FAITH ALONE, an ungodly man is justified..."

Duties of the Clergy, Book 1, 11.39 - Further, he bestows more on thee than thou on him, since he is thy debtor in regard to thy salvation. If thou clothe the naked, thou clothest thyself with righteousness; if thou bring the stranger under thy roof, if thou support the needy, he procures for thee the friendship of the saints and eternal habitations. That is no small recompense. Thou sowest earthly things and receivest heavenly... Not again is nay one more blessed than he who is sensible to the needs of the poor, and the hardships of the weak and helpless. In the day of judgment he will receive salvation from the Lord. Whom he will have as his debtor for the mercy he has shown (NPNP2, vol. 10, p. 7).

>>129265200
Duties of the Clergy, Book 1, 15.57-58 Why do sinners have abundance of wealth and riches, and fare sumptuously, and have no grief or sorrow; whilst the upright are in want, and are punished by the loss of wives or children? Now, that parable to the gospel ought to satisfy persons like these; (Luke 16:19 ff) for the rich man was clothed in purple and fine linen, and dined sumptuously every day; but the beggar, full of sores, used to gather the crumbs of his table. After the death the two, however, the beggar was in Abraham's bosom in rest; the rich man was in torment. Is it not plain from this that rewards and punishments according to deserts await one after death? 58 And surely this is but right. For in a contest there is much labour needed-and after the contest victory falls to some, to others disgrace. Is the palm ever given or the crown granted before the course is finished? Paul writes well; He says: "I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith; henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day; and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing (2 Tim. 4:7-8)." In that day," he says he will give it-not here. Here he fought, in labours, in dangers, in shipwrecks, like a good wrestler; for he knew how that "through much tribulation we must enter into the kingdom of God." Matt. 5:3. Therefore no one can receive a reward, unless he has striven lawfully; nor is the victory a glorious one, unless the contest also has been toilsome (NPNP2, vol. 10, pp. 10-11).

>>129264928


plastic paddy with more Irish Gaelic blood than you, thank you.

You may as well be English, seonín.

LOL

>>129265227

Duties of the Clergy - Book 2, 2.5 But the sacred Scriptures say that eternal life rests on a knowledge of divine things and on the fruit of good works. The Gospel bears witness to both these statements. For the Lord Jesus spoke thus of knowledge: "This is eternal life, to know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ Whom Thou hast sent,"(Jn. 17:3) About works He gives this answer: "Every one that hath forsaken house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for My Name's sake, shall receive an hundred-fold, and shall inherit everlasting life."(Mt. 19:29) (NPNP2, vol. 10, p. 44).

Concerning Repentance, Book 2. 5.35-36 But the apostles, having this baptism according to the direction of Christ, taught repentance, promised forgiveness, and remitted guilt, as David taught when he said: "Blessed are they whose transgressions are forgiven, and whose sins are covered. Blessed is the man to whom the Lord hath not imputed sin."(Psalm 32:1-4, quoted by Paul in Rom. 4:7-8) He calls each blessed both him whose sins are remitted by the font, and him whose sin is covered by good works. For he who repents ought not only to wash away his sin by his tears, but also to cover and hide his former transgressions by amended deeds, that sin may not be imputed to him. 36. Let us, then, cover our falls by our subsequent acts; let us purify ourselves by tears, that the Lord our God may hear us when we lament, as He heard Ephraim when weeping, as it is written: "I have surely heard Ephraim weeping." (Jer. 31:18) And He expressly repeats the very words of Ephraim: "Thou hast chastised me and I was chastised, like a calf I was not trained (Jer. 31:18)." (NPNP2, vol. 10, p. 350).

>>129264811
You don't know a damn thing about my ancestry, French mongrel. Weren't you on that southern boy thread licking half nigger asshole earlier?

>>129264992

again at it with your fixation about interracialism, cuckoldry and other fetishes. really, not healthy man.

it gets a bit boring and repetitive as well

>>129265038
What happens in englanistan is none of our business, ulster is 98% white, you can't say the same, you're 54% white, the catholics are no doubt to blame.

>>129265045
Foster is propping up the westminster government now, British unification of Ireland soon, day of the potato masher soon.

>>129265279

Conclusion - Ambrose obviously does not mean the Luther or Calvin version of Faith Alone. We see that the judgement of works is not just on who gets extra rewards for believers, but one's works determine whether one goes to heaven or one goes to hell. We also see a text that is often taken out of context by those who quote Paul in Romans, Romans 4:7-8, where Ambrose quoting the apostle as showing the necessity of good works!!! He even shows penance as necessary to wipe out past sin. And again it is only God's grace empowered works that avail before God. No hint of Sola Fide.

>>129265326
PROTESTANITSM IS FALSE

>>129265153
What is sola fide? Dont want spam just generally want to know

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Well I think we can all agree that protestants are subhuman.

>>129265337
PROTESTANT HATE BIBLE

>>129252262
>Catholics accusing others of being Jewish.
Might want to take a look in the mirror Tyrone.

>>129265389
HAHAHAHAHAHA

LOSER

>>129265432
ROMAN CULTIST BIBLE

>>129265449
I) Origen

"Through FAITH, without the works of the law, the thief was justified...justified through his confession ALONE."

DE PRINCIPIIS, BOOK 3 1.6 The Saviour also saying, "I say unto you, Resist not evil;"[9] and, "Whoever shall be angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment;"[10] and, "Whosoever shall look upon a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart;"[12] and in issuing certain other commands,--conveys no other meaning than this, that it is in our own power to observe what is commanded. And therefore we are rightly rendered liable to condemnation if we transgress those commandments which we are able to keep. And hence He Himself also declares: "Every one who hears my words, and doeth them, I will show to whom he is like: he is like a wise man who built his house upon a rock," etc.[1] So also the declaration: "Whoso heareth these things, and doeth them not, is like a foolish man, who built his house upon the sand," etc.[3] Even the words addressed to those who are on His right hand, "Come unto Me, all ye blessed of My Father," etc.; "for I was an hungered, and ye gave Me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave Me drink,"[5] manifestly show that it depended upon themselves, that either these should be deserving of praise for doing what was commanded and receiving what was promised, or those deserving of censure who either heard or received the contrary, and to whom it was said, "Depart, ye cursed, into everlasting fire (Mt. 25:34, etc.)" Let us observe also, that the Apostle Paul addresses us as having power over our own will, and as possessing in ourselves the causes either of our salvation or of our ruin

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>>129265337
Good goy. Blame other whites instead of the jews.

>>129265499
EXPLAIN

I) Origen

"Through FAITH, without the works of the law, the thief was justified...justified through his confession ALONE."

DE PRINCIPIIS, BOOK 3 1.6 The Saviour also saying, "I say unto you, Resist not evil;"[9] and, "Whoever shall be angry with his brother, shall be in danger of the judgment;"[10] and, "Whosoever shall look upon a woman to lust after her, hath already committed adultery with her in his heart;"[12] and in issuing certain other commands,--conveys no other meaning than this, that it is in our own power to observe what is commanded. And therefore we are rightly rendered liable to condemnation if we transgress those commandments which we are able to keep. And hence He Himself also declares: "Every one who hears my words, and doeth them, I will show to whom he is like: he is like a wise man who built his house upon a rock," etc.[1] So also the declaration: "Whoso heareth these things, and doeth them not, is like a foolish man, who built his house upon the sand," etc.[3] Even the words addressed to those who are on His right hand, "Come unto Me, all ye blessed of My Father," etc.; "for I was an hungered, and ye gave Me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave Me drink,"[5] manifestly show that it depended upon themselves, that either these should be deserving of praise for doing what was commanded and receiving what was promised, or those deserving of censure who either heard or received the contrary, and to whom it was said, "Depart, ye cursed, into everlasting fire (Mt. 25:34, etc.)" Let us observe also, that the Apostle Paul addresses us as having power over our own will, and as possessing in ourselves the causes either of our salvation or of our ruin

>>129265556
"Dost thou despise the riches of His goodness, and of His patience, and of His long-suffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? But, according to thy hardness and impenitent heart, thou art treasuring up for thyself wrath on the day of judgment and of the revelation of the just judgment of God, who will render to every one according to his work: to those who by patient continuance in well-doing seek for glory and immortality, eternal life;[8] while to those who are contentious, and believe not the truth, but who believe iniquity, anger, indignation, tribulation, and distress, on every soul of man that worketh evil, on the Jew first, and (afterwards) on the Greek; but glory, and honour, and peace to every one that doeth good, to the Jew first, and (afterwards) to the Greek."[11] You will find also innumerable other passages in holy Scripture, which manifestly show that we possess freedom of will. Otherwise there would be a contrariety in commandments being given us, by observing which we may be saved, or by transgressing which we may be condemned, if the power of keeping them were not implanted in us (ANF, Vol. 4, p. 306).

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>>129265391
Absolute nigger tier

>>129265468
Sounds like a bread

>>129265638
>>129265624
DE PRINCIPIIS, BOOK 3 1.20 Whether it is possible for the apostle to contradict himself? And if this cannot be imagined of an apostle, how shall he appear, according to them, to be just in blaming those who committed fornication in Corinth, or those who sinned, and did not repent of their unchastity, and fornication, and uncleanness, which they had committed? How, also, does he greatly praise those who acted rightly, like the house of Onesiphorus, saying, "The Lord give mercy to the house of Onesiphorus; for he oft refreshed me, and was not ashamed of my chain: but, when he had come to Rome, he sought me out very diligently, and found me. The Lord grant unto him that he may find mercy of the Lord in that day."[5] Now it is not consistent with apostolic gravity to blame him who is worthy of blame, i.e., who has sinned, and greatly to praise him who is deserving of praise for his good works; and again, as if it were in no one's power to do any good or evil, to say that it was the Creator's doing that every one should act virtuously or wickedly, seeing He makes one vessel to honour, and another to dishonour. And how can he add that statement, "We must all stand before the judgment-seat of Christ, that every one of us may receive in his body, according to what he hath done, whether it be good or bad? "

>>129265326
I'm surrounded by half breeds who think they have the same mental capacity and rights as a white man. Sorry if I hurt your feeling, I guess being a French, German, whatever mongrel must make you self conscious

>>129265549
There are no jews in norn iron, jfk gave minorities rights, an irish comedian is currently threatening to behind the president, potatoes and kikes are a blight on the white race

>>129265337
I'm begging for you to try, last twenty years have been too boring.

>>129265337
>the catholics are no doubt to blame.
They advocate letting all the spics in because they're fellow catholics so yes they have a share in the blame.

>>129265708
For what reward of good will be conferred on him who could not commit evil, being formed by the Creator to that very end? or what punishment will deservedly be inflicted on him who was unable to do good in consequence of the creative act of his Maker?[1] Then, again, how is not this opposed to that other declaration elsewhere, that "in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and of earth, and some to honour, and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the Master's use, prepared unto every good work."[4] He, accordingly, who purges himself, is made a vessel unto honour, while he who has disdained to cleanse himself from his impurity is made a vessel unto dishonour. From such declarations, in my opinion, the cause of our actions can in no degree be referred to the Creator. For God the Creator makes a certain vessel unto honour, and other vessels to dishonour; but that vessel which has cleansed itself from all impurity He makes a vessel unto honour, while that which has stained itself with the filth of vice He makes a vessel unto dishonour. The conclusion from which, accordingly, is this, that the cause of each one's actions is a pre-existing one; and then every one, according to his deserts, is made by God either a vessel unto honour or dishonour. Therefore every individual vessel has furnished to its Creator out of itself the causes and occasions of its being formed by Him to be either a vessel unto honour or one unto dishonour(ANF, Vol. 4, p. 324).

>>129265737
END PRODDI

>>129265742
PROTESTANTS SUPPORT JEW

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>>129265731
this is for you anon, incase you didnt have it before

>>129265516
Cathocucks are just another form of Judaism like Islam. Originally Christianity had nothing to do with Jewish Catholic traditions. Only by denouncing Catholicism can a Christian become great.

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>>129253413
Fenian isnt an insult you spic. Fenians were people who fought for ireland

>>129265930
EXPLAIN

things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus."

"First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.

"God has therefore announced in advance that all the sacrifices offered in His name, which Jesus Christ offered, that is, in the Eucharist of the Bread and of the Chalice, which are offered by us Christians in every part of the world, are pleasing to Him."

"Dialogue with Trypho", Ch. 117, circa 130-160 A.D.

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachias, one of the twelve, as follows: 'I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices from your hands; for from the rising of the sun until its setting, my name has been glorified among the gentiles; and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a clean offering: for great is my name among the gentiles, says the Lord; but you profane it.' It is of the sacrifices offered to Him in every place by us, the gentiles, that is, of the Bread of the Eucharist and likewise of the cup of the Eucharist, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it."

-"Dialogue with Trypho", [41: 8-10]

>>129252262
Fuck of you yank, go drink some Mountain Dew or stuff you fat face with a 500lb 'small' burger you fucking freak

>>129265109

>being this autistic

what is that pic supposed to be? some sort of celtic larping Union? jesus you get more and more pathetic.

>>129265295
what is your ancestry then Seamus O'Neill?

>>129265248

>gaelic

sure m8. just like all the other 70 million americans who say they are of irish descent.

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>>129265933
J) Jerome

"When an ungodly man is converted, God justifies him THROUGH FAITH ALONE."

Jerome - hmm, does Sola Fide show a need for Purgatory? Let us see whether Jerome agrees (or even comes close) with the Protestant concept of Sola Fide.

Commentary on Psalms 18, 66, 24, Just as we believe there are eternal torments for the devil and all the naysayers and impious persons who say in their heart: "There is not God." So too, for sinners and impious persons who are, nevertheless, Christians, whose works are to be tried in the fire and purged, we think that the sentence of the Judge will be tempered and blended with clemency.

Against Jovinianus, Book 2, 22 - To the Corinthians he says: (1 Cor. 3:6-15) "I have planted, Apollos watered: but God gave the increase. So then, neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth: but God that giveth the increase. Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour. For we are labourers together with God, ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building." And again elsewhere: "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise master-builder I laid a foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let each man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. For other foundation can no man lay, than thai which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. But if any man buildeth on the foundation, gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay, stubble: each man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall reveal it, because it is revealed in fire: and the fire itself shall prove each man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work shall abide which he built thereon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as through fire." If the man whose work is burnt and is to suffer the loss of his labour, while he himself is saved, yet not without proof of fire:

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>>129265876
If you say so.

>>129265933
anything can be an insult depending on how you say it lad

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tfw dont even know my ancestry

>>129266132
it follows that if a man's work remains which he has built upon the foundation, he will be saved without probation by fire, and consequently a difference is established between one degree of salvation and another (ANF, Vol. 6, p. 405).

Against Jovianianus Book 2, 22 - As day is distinct from night, so righteousness and unrighteousness, sin and good works, Christ and Antichrist cannot blend. If we give Christ a lodging-place in our hearts, we banish the devil from thence. If we sin and the devil enter through the gate of sin, Christ will immediately withdraw. Hence David after sinning says: 2]"Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation," that is, the joy which he had lost by sinning. [3]"He who saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." Christ is called the truth: [4]"I am the way, the truth, and the life." In vain do we make our boast in him whose commandments we keep not (ANF, Vol. 6, p. 388) .

>>129266136
TELL ME WHEN THE EARLY CHRISTIANS ARE PRODDI

>>129266136
They even have the same hat. Cathocucks that can't recognize how Jewish their religion is are the most delusional people on Earth.

>>129266202
Against Jovianianus Book 2, 3 - For it is not accordant with the righteousness of God to forget good works, and the fact that you have ministered and do minister to the Saints for His name's sake, and to remember sins only. The Apostle James also, knowing that the baptized can be tempted, and fall of their own free choice, says: [4]"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he hath been approved, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to them that love him." And that we may not think that we are tempted by God, as we read in Genesis Abraham was, he adds: "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, and He Himself tempteth no man. But each man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed. Then the lust, when it hath conceived, beareth sin: and the sin, when it is full grown, bringeth forth death." God created us with free will, and we are not forced by necessity either to virtue or to vice. Otherwise, if there be necessity, there is no crown. As in good works it is God who brings them to perfection, for it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that pitieth and gives us help that we may be able to reach the goal (ANF, Vol. 6, p. 388).

Against Jovianianus Book 2, 3 - As in good works it is God who brings them to perfection, for it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that pitieth and gives us help that we may be able to reach the goal: so in things wicked and sinful, the seeds within us give the impulse, and these are brought to maturity by the devil. When he sees that we are building upon the foundation of Christ, hay, wood, stubble, then he applies the match. Let us then build gold, silver, costly stones, and he will not venture to tempt us: although even thus there is not sure and safe possession .

>>129265933

>you spic

lol whut?

rustig blijven jan-klaas. ieren van nu zijn progressieve ratten. hun prime minister is een Indische homo.

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>>129266031


SOMEONE SURE HAS A SANDY VAGINA TODAY!

keep telling yourself you're something other than an Anglocuck jealous of your betters... the smart Micks left you know.

LOL

such a easily triggered faggot

muh irishness! muh soccer and muh rugby and muh black mayors!


Fag!

>>129266308
EXPLAIN

Against Jovianianus Book 2, 3 - For it is not accordant with the righteousness of God to forget good works, and the fact that you have ministered and do minister to the Saints for His name's sake, and to remember sins only. The Apostle James also, knowing that the baptized can be tempted, and fall of their own free choice, says: [4]"Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he hath been approved, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord promised to them that love him." And that we may not think that we are tempted by God, as we read in Genesis Abraham was, he adds: "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, and He Himself tempteth no man. But each man is tempted when he is drawn away by his own lust and enticed. Then the lust, when it hath conceived, beareth sin: and the sin, when it is full grown, bringeth forth death." God created us with free will, and we are not forced by necessity either to virtue or to vice. Otherwise, if there be necessity, there is no crown. As in good works it is God who brings them to perfection, for it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that pitieth and gives us help that we may be able to reach the goal (ANF, Vol. 6, p. 388).

Against Jovianianus Book 2, 3 - As in good works it is God who brings them to perfection, for it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that pitieth and gives us help that we may be able to reach the goal: so in things wicked and sinful, the seeds within us give the impulse, and these are brought to maturity by the devil. When he sees that we are building upon the foundation of Christ, hay, wood, stubble, then he applies the match. Let us then build gold, silver, costly stones, and he will not venture to tempt us: although even thus there is not sure and safe possession .

Why are you retards still fighting over IRA vs UVF? Normal kike divide and conquer tactic.
Can't we unite under Barrett

>>129252262
the picture captured me, I am a O'neill

>>129266399
For the lion lurks in ambush to slay the innocent. Sirach 37:5 "Potters' vessels are proved by the furnace, and just men by the trial of tribulation." And in another place it is written: Sirach 2:1 "My son, when thou comest to serve the Lord, prepare thyself for temptation." Again, the same James says:James 1:22 "Be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only. For if any one is a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a mirror: for he beholdeth himself, and goeth away, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was." It was useless to warn them to add works to faith, if they could not sin after baptism.(ANF, Vol. 6, p. 389-390).

Conclusion - The fact that St. Jerome believes in purgatory should do away with any concept of Sola Fide. If one is in God's grace he must avoid mortal sins to achieve eternal life, and good works is necessarily tied to salvation. In order to keep Christ and salvation, we must stay faithful to him. God gives us the grace to maintain this state of grace, but there is a real possibility of losing one's salvation. He even quotes Romans 9, a passage used by Calvinists often, to show this very possibility. BTW, a side note, St. Jerome, who is often quoted by some as saying he doesn't believe that the Deuterocanonical books should be used as Scripture, actually quotes Sirach as proof of the necessity of works. So much for him not seeing the Deuterocanonical books as Scripture. So much for any concept of Sola Fide.

>>129266031
I'm Belgian just like you bro. I'm 50% french, I'm 50% Dutch, I'm 50% German , I'm 50% Spanish, I'm 50% whatever mercenary group was cheap that year.

>>129266308
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> TELL ME WHEN THE EARLY CHRISTIANS ARE PRODDI
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> >>129266136
> They even have the same hat. Cathocucks that can't recognize how Jewish
St. Clement was the third successor of Peter as Bishop of Rome; otherwise known as the third Pope.

"Since then these things are manifest to us, and we have looked into the depths of the divine knowledge, we ought to do in order all things which the Master commanded us to perform at appointed times. He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly, but at fixed times and hours. He has Himself fixed by His supreme will the places and persons whom He desires for these celebrations, in order that all things may be done piously according to His good pleasure, and be acceptable to His will. So then those who offer their oblations at the appointed seasons are acceptable and blessed, but they follow the laws of the Master and do not sin. For to the high priest his proper ministrations are allotted, and to the priests the proper place has been appointed, and on Levites their proper services have been imposed. The layman is bound by the ordinances for the laity."

Source: St. Clement, bishop of Rome, 80 A.D., to the Corinthians

"Our sin will not be small if we eject from the episcopate those who blamelessly and holily have offered its Sacrifices."

Source: Letter to the Corinthians, [44,4]

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>>129265727

>I'm surrounded by half breeds who think they have the same mental capacity and rights as a white man

>t 6'5" 250 pounds 8% bodyfat 7 inch dick 200k/year blue eyes blonde aryan übermensch

then your irish ancestors should have stayed on their Island.

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>>129266261
Keep raving.

>>129266308
Catholic ritual and gay costumes are based on the court of the Roman empire

>>129266747
Introduction

In this paper I will focus on the issue of "works of the law" and the Old Testament quotations that Paul makes in Galatians 3. This issue is foundational to the issue of how one is made right before God. I would particularly like to focus on Galatians 3:10-14, where Paul details how works of the law do not justify, and cites Old Testament passages to prove his point. Paul is a skillful user of the Old Testament in applying to the New Covenant, and if we see his use of the Old Testament as inspired, we must examine the background of these citations in order to understand his application of these verses to New Testament theology.

After I examine Paul's use of these citations, I will see how various scholars and apologists, Catholic and Protestant, view the term 'works of the law.' There are varying Protestant and Catholic positions on these issues, and I will address them. How do these varying views square with Paul's use? It is clear that in Paul's eyes that the deeds, or works of the law do not make one right before God (Rom. 3:20, 28; Gal. 2:16; 3:10-14).

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>>129266461
Now youre talkin! Barrett abú

>>129266633
>implying you aren't 50% tyrone and 50% pablo

>>129266755
>CANT HANDLE REALITY

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>>129266800
EXPLAIN

St. Clement was the third successor of Peter as Bishop of Rome; otherwise known as the third Pope.

"Since then these things are manifest to us, and we have looked into the depths of the divine knowledge, we ought to do in order all things which the Master commanded us to perform at appointed times. He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly, but at fixed times and hours. He has Himself fixed by His supreme will the places and persons whom He desires for these celebrations, in order that all things may be done piously according to His good pleasure, and be acceptable to His will. So then those who offer their oblations at the appointed seasons are acceptable and blessed, but they follow the laws of the Master and do not sin. For to the high priest his proper ministrations are allotted, and to the priests the proper place has been appointed, and on Levites their proper services have been imposed. The layman is bound by the ordinances for the laity."

Source: St. Clement, bishop of Rome, 80 A.D., to the Corinthians

"Our sin will not be small if we eject from the episcopate those who blamelessly and holily have offered its Sacrifices."

Source: Letter to the Corinthians, [44,4]

Galatians 3:10-14

Paul introduces the term 'works of the law' in Galatians in 2:16 in reference to his dispute with Peter's lack of courage, and not eating with uncircumcised people. Here he writes three times that faith justifies, not the works of the law. He does not use the term that one is justified by faith alone, although many read that into the passage. In chapter 3, Paul writes that not only do works of the law not justify (vv. 2,5), but they do not bring the Holy Spirit or work miracles. Paul next references the faith of Abraham (Gal. 3:6-9, cf., Gen. 12, 15, and 22). Although in this section (Gal. 2:16-3:9) there are important matters relevant to our discussion, in this paper, I will focus on Paul's use of the Old Testament in Galatians 3:10-14:

10 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, "Cursed be every one who does not abide by all things written in the book of the law, and do them." 11 Now it is evident that no man is justified before God by the law; for "He who through faith is righteous shall live"; 12 but the law does not rest on faith, for "He who does them shall live by them." 13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us--for it is written, "Cursed be every one who hangs on a tree." 14 that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

There are four, and arguably five Old Testament citations that Paul makes in this section. When Paul writes in Galatians he assumes that the readers will know the background to these citations. Paul was steeped in the Old Testament. Unfortunately, we are not. In order to understand Paul, we must understand the background to these citations, verse by verse.

>>129266755
Hitler was a Catholic.

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>>129266747
You're 6'5" and have a 7" dick? That's kinda small for a guy your size.

>>129266893
The reality is that the Orthodox are closer to early Christians than you and even they are far off. You're a pale imitation.

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>>129266377

>Anglocuck jealous of your betters

>irish education

history tells me otherwise. you have literally been serfs for an anglo-protestant caste for over 800 years