UBI

>>129231797
Then why would we need currency other than for those above the system to exact control and create modern feudalism?

Better buy land now.

>>129232824
>>129231797
UBI doesn't preclude the desire for luxuries or the need for a system to limit access to scarcities.

I'm not watching that video because I'm sure it's retarded despite the proposed main thrust (automation is different now than it was in the industrial revolution and threatens all human labor).

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>>129233536
>I'm not watching that video because I'm sure it's retarded

UBI is maybe the most degenerate idea to come along in centuries.

Herr derr, let's make humans stupid pets of the machines and the handful of people that own/run the machines. This will certainly result in a new golden age of humanity.

>>129234093
You'd rather everyone become a massive poor underclass that eventually destroys everything and plunges us back into the stone age?

>>129232824
Sont buy land if you cant afford it. Buy if you can pay it all off in 15 years.

Youre better off buying gold coins. Gold bars can be seized by the government. They see it as "mobey laundering"

Gold coins makes you a collector.

Diversify your shit and buy silver too. Silver is currency, can be used in electronics and medacine and will always be a sound investment.

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>>129231797
>Jew shilling for communism

Imagine my shock

>>129233536
luxuries will be available to those with jobs

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>>129234093
>>129234439


>working a a shit tier dead end factory job so the kikeboss is pleased, never do anything which is in you nature, live a miserable life, fucking die.
>having all the time for personal grown, meditation, martial arts, arts and crafts, studying and traveling the world.

You really need to think hard between these two huh?

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>>129234372
>m-muh gold will always be valuable
Can I interest you in some self-lubricating catheters, sir?

>>129234439
>dislikes communism
>is an EU welfare leech
every single time

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>>129231797
>for everyone
lol m8 the instant military and police is fully automated the technocrats will diminish commoners to serfs
There will not be equality

>>129231797
>unlimited resources
ummm wrong, sweety

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>>129234583

(((Zuckerberg))) supports it so you know it's good for the average white goy...

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/mark-zuckerberg-universal-basic-income-harvard-commencement-speech-facebook-president-bid-a7757781.html

>>129234768
Run them through an archive
https://archive.is/JWKsH

>>129234482
Yes, that's the idea.

In an environment where necessary labor is fully automated, or at least automated to the point where UBI is necessary to prevent massive poverty, artistic jobs and new forms of income generation (think patreon) will take the place of necessary labor in providing money for luxuries.

That's the difference between a semi-capitalist system with a UBI and holistic socialism.

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>>129231797

You progressives and your utopian fantasies. Wew!

>>129234810

Thanks you archive bot. I didn't do it because I knew you would do it for me <3

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>>129234768
wait so your only argument against it that someone you dislike supports it?

need I remind you that this is an 18+ site?

>>129234246
I'd rather humanity take a second to think about what we're running headlong towards. A machine that is as smart, as agile, and as strong as a man (or smarter, more agile, and stronger) is not a good thing. It's like creating a new hominid that is better than us.

Just because we CAN do something doesn't mean we should do something.

Leverage crispr. Go full on human eugenics, and come up with a mechanism to keep the population in check (this seems to be happening naturally anyway). At least that way, the future is ours. I want the stars. Not free shit from (((them)))

>>129235142

No they fact that a rich tech oligarch pro open borders pro white genocide jew supports it. Also the fact that UBI is a literal communist scheme to abolish work and bring about the material conditions for communism.

>>129235238
>A machine that is as smart, as agile, and as strong as a man
That's retarded. AI and robotics don't need to even remotely approach human intellect to be trained to do the necessary work with minimal supervision.

If you think neural nets trained to do specific jobs are in any way equivalent to a human brain you should probably just not talk about automation.

>>129231797

>for everyone

This is the problem, Jew. The first country to implement UBI will receive a biblical flood of immigrants if unchecked. The modern dogma of openness is incompatible with the idea of UBI.

>>129235238

I always think of the scene from 'Terminator 2- Judgement Day' where John Connor sees the two little kids playing with toy guns and he turns to the T-800 and says "We're not gonna make it, are we? People, I mean." And the T-800 replies, "It is in your nature to destroy yourselves."

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>>129233536
It is different this time robots will literally be able to do everything. I think there will still be one person watching the robots action if it needs to check on something that is extremely critical. It could end up being for ever 1 job that requires a human it will replace 100 or whatever it is depending on the situation but its going to be inevitable. Its going to suck dick because UBI is going to be given to niggers and I don't like that at all. If this was a white only nation I wouldnt be so against UBI because I'd at least know that the majority of the country would be trying to do something productive.

>>129234583
You'll get distracted from that by various tricks and propaganda. Hell, those things you listed ARE the distraction. Those things will have no impact on the human future. How seriously do you think education and human achievement would be taken when the machines do everything

>>129234910

The video is pretty grim actually, it states clearly that where UBI is not a possibility, we are heading into the largest and longest period of wealth inequality humanity has ever faced, to the point where the lives of the majority start, in fact, not becoming any better anymore. Of course, It's easier to think of that scenario if you actually live in a third world shithole.

There's already things like iCEO (https://hbr.org/2015/04/heres-how-managers-can-be-replaced-by-software), also shown in the video, that literally replace middle management white collar jobs most Republicans love to boast about. Welders are actually less replaceable than most skilled computer workers. This is no utopian fantasy, it's an Orwellian nightmare.

>t. code monkey

>>129231797
I support UBI IF billionaires pay the majority

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>>129231797

>>129235527
So what does the human bring that the machine does not?

More specifically, what does the AVERAGE human have that the machine does not?

The kings and bankers finally no longer need the peasant. What do you think happens to the peasant?

>>129235715
what? literally what about everything you wrote...

your argument is that we must sit in a boring grey cubicle... because... reasons??

>>129235962
Are you fucking dumb? The one percent already pays the majority of the taxes. Also I hope you mean kikes, and you're not one of the retards who says elites or billionaires instead of jews.

>>129231797

>money has value
>money for free

pick one

>>129235238
It's coming whether you want it or not, if America decided to fall behind, Russia and China will build these robots (also as part of their military programs)

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The NIT is where only a poor person who was left without a job because the modern job crises receives $15,000 a comfortable living because they were in need.

The UBI is where millionaires and billionaires like mark cuckstain receive $3000 in their mailbox and the poor cant afford shit because its ""universal"" and had to pay for everyone rather than targeting the people who were screwed over by the automated economy.

Nice welfare system UBI cucks.
You didnt think it through too much.

>>129236270
Do you think your overlords will pay to keep you around forever?

>>129236708
>tumblr
time to kys

I'm not convinced. I'd like it to be.

But leftist are such cunts they'll say nah these people and those people can't have it because they're 'rich' or too white and male.

So people won't vote for it.

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>>129236399
you don't get free money, you get a free house, car, food, internet and everything in between because it takes literally no people to make those things, those are mass produced at 0 cost.

>>129236599
It should be anathema. It SHOULD be like EMP weapons or closing the Bosphorous.

>>129231797
>We won't have any jobs left to go around
Incorrect, as technology improves, Marginal Product of Labor increases, thus it becomes more costly to not hire more people (aka the substitution effect).
>but we will have unlimited technology and resources for everyone FOREVER.
Are you intentionally trying to be retarded?
There aren't even enough (finite natural) resources on earth for the whole world to live like an American, let alone the resource consumption of high-tech futurism.
The population has to fall to below 1 Billion people (probably even less) to be sustainable and/or comfortable.

>>129236993
Who pays for it? If nobody is working, who pays for it?

>>129236993
The only cost is your ability to change your station in life.

>>129236125
>The kings and bankers finally no longer need the peasant
You're missing that the "bankers and kings" are mortal. If, in a full automation environment, they try to abandon the masses there's basically only two outcomes:
1) the masses revolt and either destroy everything or seize the means of production
2) the masses are eradicated and humanity dies with a few rich pricks

>>129231797
>DON'T WORK GOYIM JUST CONSUME AND LEAVE YOUR ECONOMY TO US
No thanks kike, I'd sooner crash the economy through extreme depopulation.
Jews and muds first.

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>>129237240
who pays? generations before ours who contributed to the technolofgy we have today.
they suffered in shit tier jobs and now we can afford to ditch them.

who payed? our ancestors.

>>129235238
Genetic engineering is coming along nicely anyway, but us being several times better than we are now won't dent automation's advance.

And we won't reach the stars without such automation, anyway. Fusion and high-end Artificial Narrow Intelligence are both just as vital as extensive genetic editing to expand into space.

>>129231797
yeah so we'll do That when robots exist

and assuming robots create this utopia you think will exist then we don't need UBI because everything will be free because robots do all the labor and harvest all the materials required to make things

but this idea that we should try to force things into existence like one world governments and universal healthcare under the assumption that world peace will continue indefinitely is the biggest failure of globalist ideologies
most globalist plans are all working under the assumption that world peace can be achieved and if we just get rid of the backwards thinking barbaric nationalists than we can achieve utopia

the problem is they're workin against human nature
the uneasy world peace we have is not going to last for long
and assuming we don't destroy the human race with nuclear weapons world war 3 won't be the last war
there will be many wars after that and many failed globalist organizations trying to assure world peace
humans will never stop killing and stealing from each other and any systems that work against human nature are exercises in futility

>>129237325
Those are the outcomes. Neither future seems particularly sunny.

The deception here is to draw focus towards UBI. That's the carrot they'll use to get the masses to accept automation and AI research that should never be done. It is Pandora's box, but humans can't fucking help themselves but look inside.

Would you accept automation to the nth degree and sentient AI research without the free shit? I don't think anybody would.

>>129231797

its like the intro of a fucking dystopia

>>129237835
I swear I just don't get this Malthusian pessimism for humanity's future.

And just like the man himself got blindsided by the Industrial Revolution, all the doomsayers today haven't a clue of the scale things can comfortably reach once we have the tech.

>>129237095
>t. globalist

>>129238499
>Malthus was worried about something completely unrelated.
>Malthus was wrong to be worried
>Therefore, there's nothing to worry about if we replace every meaningful action a human can perform with a robot.

Come back when you learn to think deeper than what you're told.

>>129238664
The logic is more ancap than anything. Building a sentient AI violates the NAP if you're not retarded. It is a direct attack on our livelihoods and our future.

Nukes are less dangerous.

>>129231797
Let's give people nothing to do and fuel their degenerate life styles

Oh boy, rip civilization

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>>129236993

>>129239310
>forcing other nations to abandon technological progress is ancap

why are burgerfats so retarded

>>129239318
>signing up to kill your own people so you'd have a job and not starve

>>129239535
What the fuck do you mean by progress? Is building a bomb to destroy your house progress?

This isn't progress. It's suicide.

>>129231797
1. Make Robots
2. Implement them in workplaces to substitute old workers when they retire
3. When all workers retire you'll get all jobs to robots
4. Humans in the meantime are teach to be space engineers and develop spaceships, while the most intelligent ones became scientists.
5. Humanity adquire to travel to other planets comfortly while robots do all the manual and unpleasent jobs which doesn't require human activity.

You can achieve that killing all niggers, degenerates and non-whites during the process too.

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>>129231797
UBI will never exist as it's proponents like to claim. If it's implemented (and I think it's pretty likely it will be) it'll be designed to allow the bare necessities of life with no ability to provide for a family to facilitate a rapid population reduction so the very richest can live in their own private utopia consisting of the entire planet in a few generations.

>>129239789
Hell yes.

>we should give up weapons

Is that the new right-wing talking point?

>>129237609
Who is providing the money and tax income so that everyone can have an income, a car, etc. If nobody is working?

You still haven't answered this question. No bullshit cryptic message this time either.

>>129231797
No.
The west will collapse before any UBI is implemented.

>>129231797
>unlimited resources
No

>>129240262
It's not a talking point you dipshit. I'm trying to explain to you that there are things that can be done that should not be done. Do you deny this?

I posit that full automation and sentient AI are such things.

>>129240185
I've never seen anyone argue that UBI should cover anything but the bare necessities.

>a private utopia for the rich

This exists already

>>129238499
war is inevitable
robots taking over is pretty inevitable as well but war might make that never happen

and like I said at the beginning if robots are going to take over all jobs and create a world where human labor is unnecessary than everything will become free anyways and currency will become obsolete

ofc that model of the future will not work if we don't cut the human population by a few hundred million and find a new convenient energy source to power all these robots
and idk what makes you think that just because the governments of today create UBI that the rich people that rule the world in the future (in the case that the other model of the future, think Elysium movie, is correct) won't decide they don't want to give away their money to poor people anymore.

>>129240524
>we shouldn't have weapons
K, dumbfuck.

>AI
Is not remotely necessary for full automation. Why are burgersharts so tragically terrible at understanding basic STEM concepts? You think a drone that brings you parcels or a machine that takes your McDonald's order has the capacity of a human brain?

>>129240614
I've seen many arguments that UBI should pay at or close to the median wage. There isn't going to be an economy if 95% of the population can't afford luxury goods.

>This exists already
The second part of that statement is kinda a key qualifier there.

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>Kurzgesagt
Always comfy. Even if I dislike some of their political messages they still put out nice litte works of quality.

>>129241178
No, that's a pipe dream. UBI will be half of what you can get on Neetbux, ie barely enough to cover food you cook at home and rent a small apartment outside the major urban areas or flatshare inside them.

>>129240973
I have a physics Ph.D. Believe me, I understand the concepts.

I'm not threatened by the drone or the McDonalds machine. You're more or less right that strong AI is the real worry. Even today, things like Watson are creepy smart.

>>129240306
theoretically, if robots are able to take over all jobs, including the jobs that produce energy and raw materials and all manufacturing jobs
and the robots are solar powered and can fix themselves, or at least require very little maintenance, then all the products that are made by robot labor (which will be everything) will no longer require anyone to pay for it and currency will no longer exist
but like I said this will only be possible if the human population is drastically cut down and we can find much more efficient sources of energy

>>129231797
>Kurzgesagt
commie kikes

fuck you and fuck money handouts
if these idiots haven't learned a single thing from the fee food handouts that have been going in africa for the past 3 decades, they have no business telling shit to anyone about economy

>>129241534
The first areas to be automated will be service, logistics and manufacturing. The machines will involve a chain process, not a central unit remotely anything like AI.

>>129241502
So then we're back to rapid population decline because 100% of your money is spent on survival.

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>We need more immigrants for work
>Automation will mean there won't be any work, so give everyone free shit
>People will be free to do art all day, yay equality!

This is gonna backfire so hard if it comes true
Fuck young people are so gullible

>>129236708
that 15k to unemployed is either hard to implement or easy to abuse. UBI set close to minimum wage could be affordable if it replaced current welfare.

>>129242040
Which is what we need retard. The planet has about 6 billions too many already and their offspring procreates at an explosive rate. The ideal earth population is about 2 billion people.
Automation and mass production will make the availability of raw resources even more of a problem

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>mfw even if automation comes my job won't be able to be cut away
If anything those algorythms would make the work of a forester more outside again.

>>129231797
This is idiotic. Innovation in the information age simply means an advance in the fields of internet and computing, making the human facote for service related jobs involving a computer and the internet obselete. It has never meant to mean that human labor will be replaced altogether and wiped out by robots. Human labor participation won't cease to exist. It would simply shift to an industrial type of labor where skilled trades and dirty jobs become the new norm and service/office jobs are simply wiped out of existence or shrinked to a measly few. That means trade wages will become drastically lower in the coming decades and the majority of the population becomes an unwashed, dirty peasant doing heavy labor for their masters. Welcome to modern feudalism. There is nothing new under the sun.

>>129241901
The FIRST areas. The end game is more worrying to me, but that's maybe just because I'm kinda safe for awhile. If I was a laborer with labor tier intelligence, I'd be damn scared about what the future holds. Sure, some skilled trades will hold out for awhile. I could see a shift of some of those labor jobs to more creative/custom/hand made sort of production for luxury goods, but There's a lot of motherfuckers with IQs around 100 that are getting the short end of the stick. Their choices will be the UBI lifestyle, or nothing.

>>129242291
>Arts are a safe space from automation
I've got some bad news for you, anon.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/meet-emily-howell-classical-musics-virtual-composer/news-story/a92222790abee60aefa85c6b0f8c6bf7?nk=b4380d2297e88baa2ac54877f47464d1-1497038605
https://www.theguardian.com/small-business-network/2016/jul/22/written-out-of-story-robots-capable-making-the-news
https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/apr/19/robot-art-competition-e-david-cloudpainter-bitpaintr

>>129241901
You do realize that service, logistics and manufacturing are the majority of any first-world economy, right?

>>129242433
So you agree with my assessment that a good portion of the world is going to be forced into living a meaningless and featureless existence until they die for the sake of the people on the top. I don't know why you didn't just say that.

Why will we need 2 billion people when no one can afford to participate in the economy and essentially only serve as a drain on resources? You don't need 2 billion mouths to feed when there's nothing for them to do.

>>129243237
Most people are labor tier intelligent. Which is why genetic design will be a thing either way. For now, we need to focus on reducing the low IQ population without outright dystopian scenarios involving war and disease.

>>129243559
Of any economy genius
But there are also internally administrative jobs that don't result in any net profit to the state many of which I'd rather get rid of (especially jobs involving SJW degrees)

>>129234246
How about more birth control

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>>129243510
you know what is a safe space from automation for a very long time?
those who build and program the machines

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>>129243601
> a meaningless and featureless existence

That's already the case. You have to be the most spoiled 1st world millennial to not realize it.

>>129231797
>we need to pay parasites for nothing because soon barely anyone will have work
>we need to import 3d world migrants because soon we will have nobody to work
>t. leftard
It almost like if we didn't import shitskins - white population would control itself enough that everyone still had work with automation.

>>129244302
>3rd world migrants work

Kekd

>>129243764
This whole thing is already getting pretty fucking dystopian. We're talking about genetic engineering for the haves and the eventual extinction of the have nots.

Let's not paint this as any sort of highly moral course of action.

>>129231797
If resources become unlimited then there is no need for UBI genius. Unlimited resources means unlimited supply and therefore 0$

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>>129244693
There is literally nothing wrong with genetic and social engineering.

>>129244245
The majority of workers in "developing nations" might have bleak lives but they do at least still have the opportunity for social mobility for themselves but more so for their children. The Chinese factory worker might have a shit job but when his father was a peasant farmer and his son has the opportunity to attend a university there is at least a purpose beyond living to die for him.

>>129244893
Social mobility is next to non-existent outside the West.

>>129244693
Elysium.

>>129231797
If robots are better than us,we smash the evil metal,
Or even use viruses, fuck robots

>>129244893
And university degrees in non-Western countries don't result in large salaries. Even in Eastern Europe (the region that doesn't have socio-cultural castes unlike most of Asia), a doctor isn't earning much more than a plumber.

>>129231797

Go fuck yourself you stupid kike! For centuries, your people have been taking advantage of the good will of moral people who are industrious.Your ilk look for ways to exploit the system. Did you know that Jews are the biggest consumers of welfare? Even more than blacks.

BTW tell whatever kike that's undercover who advises the pope, to stop dripping poison into the pope's ear.

He's preaching Marxism to the people of Mexico. It's draining away the industriousness that my people are known for. If a man has no purpose, he will be strayed away further from the path of righteousness.

Robots (ie the ones you see in movies) replacing human labor is not happening any time soon. What IS happening right now though is there is less need of human kabor in administrative and low-skilled/semi-skilled labor that and middle management jobs that could be done through a computer or the internet. It has and never was meant to mean robots doing all the work and hard labor. As pointed out in >>129242907, it just means a shift to heavy labor. The majority will now have to do dirty jobs as a result. Whether that is good or bad remains to be seen. As usual, kikes and communists want to be alarmist as much as possible so they can usher on their flavor of communism.

>>129231797
>We won't have any jobs left to go around, but we will have unlimited technology and resources for everyone FOREVER.
You really think we will fall for this?

You aren't that dumb schlomo.

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>>129244889
Makes it pretty obvious where there problems lie, who the fuck do these two think they are?

>>129245081
That's a blatant lie. Moving from sustenance farming to farming for profit by itself is social mobility as now you have some disposable income. Moving from agriculture to the industrial working class is an even bigger step up and from there you can move to service or professional work. Chinese millionaires aren't popping up all over the place because they all found a pallet of tiger bones that fell off the back of a truck.

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>>129245663
China has the biggest economic inequality in the world but keep telling yourself that, Chong.

>>129245441
>>He's preaching Marxism to the people of Mexico. It's draining away the industriousness that my people are known for. If a man has no purpose, he will be strayed away further from the path of righteousness.
You would think the pope would know the devil makes work for idle hands.

>>129231797

>no jobs
>less income tax
>yet somehow we'll have an extra trillion dollars for a massive entitlement program

Doesn't add up, someone please explain. And don't just say "eliminate Medicare and tax the rich 100%", those aren't real answers.

>>129245081
So we should develop technology that makes it non existent everywhere. Great plan.

The meme that this faggotry is inevitable is the problem. You know it's a future that sucks. How about we take steps towards one that doesn't suck?

>>129236993

>those are mass produced at 0 cost.

You are a child.

>>129231797
And where's the money gonna come from? The people that actually earn it?

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>>129231797
How much gibz do you think Israel could provide in 20 years kikebro? Our population is still growing very much and that will give the orthodox insectoids unprecedented yet unseen power to spread throughout the lands.

>>129246231
Eh, the machines that actually earn it, but pretty much.

>>129245648
China and India are already slowing down. The real problem will happen in Africa

>>129246126
Why? Education will still be available under UBI, im fact, the informational age makes education very easily accessible to everyone. But despite what the "everyone gets a trophy" generation was taught, not everyone can be an engineering or a physict. Even if you "do your best".

>>129231797
You want lazy retards to get free money? Fine, you give it to them.

>>129246515
It doesn't matter if they "slow down" (untrue in case of China which just lifted the 1 child policy). If 1 billion people have 2.5 kids what do you think will happen?

>>129243764

Assuming elite obstacles were overcame, what do you think of paying low IQ people $5000 to get a vasectomy? Since they lack long term thinking skills, they would instantly sign up for it, no?

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>mfw i see a delusional commie

>>129245969
Income inequality doesn't by itself imply a lack of social mobility. The United States has high income inequality but there's still social mobility.

>>129233536

No, the video's fine. Watch it before you comment any further.

>>129246824
A generally good idea I believe.
>>129246929
Yes it does. Most Chinese millionaires are commie party functionaries and their kids.

>>129231797

i hope that i switched to robotics bandwagon soon enough. Even my corporation who is here only because low polish work costs invest heavily in robotized production lines

>>129241474

Seriously good video quality. I think they're trying to start good and neutral discussion points rather than push an agenda.

>>129234246
Why not just accept deflation?

>>129246477
Machines don't replace roofs or wire houses
Machines don't protect people from wildfires
Machines don't pilot planes boats or freighttrucks
Machines are nowhere near what we would need to practical real-world scenarios for the most part
There will always be a need for the human touch. Who will male the machines? Who will program or reprogram them as human needs change? Will those people get a little something extra? Or will you just tell me they'll make machines that will program the other machines?

>>129235238
If it can deliver human immortality, it's not even up for question -- you'd better plan on violent conflict if you think you'll take that potential out of my hand.

>>129246078
So we will all get paid to do civic work to feed the system. This should collapse quite fast.

>>129246526
That's kinda my point. Automation by its nature will disenfranchise, say, 90% or so of people just on the basis of IQ alone. Some anomaly up around 160 IQ designs a machine that replaces the jobs of thousands of 100 IQ laborers.

What's new is that now we're not talking about replacing those laborers from one job, say, shoveling horse shit. Now, we're talking about making those men obsolete.

>>129231797
>Literally from Israel.
Come on dude, at least use a proxy if you're gonna push socialist bullshit.

>>129247056
>Most Chinese millionaires are commie party functionaries and their kids.
And? Moving into the political class has been a consistent form of social advancement for all of human history.

>>129247193

lol it seems like you don't have much expertise in modern technology

>>129246010

He should teach them to wash their own god damn feet.

>>129247386
They can do some other task
Robots are not replacing maids and butlers any time soon

>>129247386
if a job can be automated, it should be. especially since shovelling shit isn't really the extend of modern day jobs but coming into contact with much more hazardous materials is

>>129247180
Only a hand full had their opinion in them like the EU one. Others like to nuclear power had both sides shown which is much ebtter.

>>129247456
And most of human history had next to no social mobility outside of wars and revolutions.

I'll support UBI if leftards agree to stop demanding we import more mudbloods that will just strain the system beyond its breaking point.

>>129247228

Humans aren't immortal, we already know this. You wanna be immortal? You gotta stop being human.

>>129247862
Not really, at least in America.

My family went from refugees to 1 percenters

>>129247477
I work in technology for a living.
This breakdown all the time.
No modern technology or system is self sustaining and doesn't need human interaction at some point.
Sure google has their self driving cars and Teslas pushing for it too. But we are a long way from having pie in the sky modern tech available to meet all our practical needs

>>129248385
America went through a brief period of hyperprosperity after WW2 when the original 1% was terrified of the domino effect of commie revolutions and made a lot of concessions to the general population. That and the American industry earning a bunch during WW2 of course

>>129248385

>human history: ~5000 years
>American history: 240 years

>>129248649
this was in the 1960-1970s, we're Armenian Egyptian

>>129247862
That doesn't change the facts of the matter. You don't have a country rapidly industrialize without having some degree of social mobility.

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>robots design, maintain and operate by themselves

>>129248844
yes like i said post ww2

>>129248845
Yes, it does. It contradicts meritocracy. China industrialized by providing dirt cheap labor to Western tech designers

>>129248023
The fact that fucking Koi fish can outlive me is a moral abomination.

>>129249099
kk. also this whole automation thing is kinda overblown.

I'm scared about biologial engineering tbhq

this stupid meme needs to die.
its wishthinking for neets and losers

>>129249099
>It contradicts meritocracy.
How does being good at the political posturing it takes to join the political party of a country contradict meritocracy? They're good at politicking so they get to play politics.

>China industrialized by providing dirt cheap labor to Western tech designers
Which is a huge step up from sustenance farming and why they have a growing middle class.

>>129231797
Always these fucking kind of posts from (((that flag))). Could it be anymore obvious at this point?

Centralization of wealth (taxation) to be mishandled by a government and tendered out to others, is flat out retarded, and hopefully more people wake up to your shit goy...with every post you make we grow more organized and stronger.

>>129231797
Trust a kike to look to forward to the obsolescence of humanity

>>129249547
>being good
>having an uncle who made a career inside the commie party by ratting out his friend's thought crimes

it all comes down to efficiency, optimisation and the highest possible standard of living
China is not a good place to live, that's why the elites send their kids away to the West

>>129234439
PAY DEBTS

>>129244201
literally my logic. Studying to get into robotics school. Wish me luck pal. I'll destroy those jobs faster than these hicks can even figure out what happened.

>>129248924
>implying they won't make a robot that does that.

>>129246477

>Eh, the machines that actually earn it, but pretty much.

The arrogance of that answer. You expect everybody to receive and yet you can't give more than a half ass for a glaring question.

>>129231797
>we will have unlimited technology and resources for everyone FOREVER.
>typical communist piece of shit who never set a foot into a factory

>>129231797
>flag

sometimes comedy writes itself
sage because kike; kill yourself

>>129250717
>the Czech Republic having factories in the current year
>the Czech Republic not being a giant EU leech

UBI can't be enough to guarantee people savings. It just paints a bigger target on the backs of the poor and uneducated.

>>129236270
>i like being useless
>at least i know martial arts hehe
What difference does it make.
They(you) are making us useless.

>>129250872
That is rich coming from a butthole of Germany. Where do you think the shit that Germany exports further is made? Not by millennial Austrian trash.
And the EU funds are piss pennies in comparison to what we give EU.

>>129251469
>what we give to EU
>wilted potatoes

There will always be work to do, if there isn't, people will make work to do.

>>129234372
You think the laws can't be changed on a whim?

>>129249920
The question isn't if it's a good place to live by western standards, it's if it's better than it was 40-50 years ago. Just the fact that they can send their kids to live an affluent lifestyle in the west is another example that there has been an increase in overall wealth.

https://youtu.be/7P2fJ4iuxTo 69

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>>129252290
it's not. 50 years ago if was agrarian and poor but at least it didn't have villages with 80% cancer-stricken population

>>129252559
50 years ago you'd be lucky to die of cancer instead of starvation.

>>129252953
>lucky to die of cancer

sure thing, especially without pain medication

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>>129231797
NIGGERS GOY

>>129231797
If war doesnt come from this population replacement, it will come from oligarch elites owning everything and the middle class disappearing due to automation and UBI. All UBI does is ensure that you live like a slave and get a minimum amount of food. The fantasy of post scarcity will never happen. It makes no sense for the people in power to give it up resources they dont have to.


The low IQ people that the globalist are replacing us with will swallow UBI up, and any resistance will probably just be crushed by governments...

Well to the future. I guess.

>>129253048
Right, how silly of me to forget that starvation is widely known as one of the most comfortable ways to die.

>>129253309
Better than cancer by far, especially since you can alleviate it.

>>129253522
>especially since you can alleviate it.
Of course, the solution of dying of starvation is to just eat something. You should let everyone know about this incredible discovery of yours.

>>129253651
No, it's clearly working 12 hrs at a cancerous factory and die at 40 in tremendous pain as your tumors slowly torture you to death.

>>129231797
Meh, there only needs to be one foundation with the purpose of automating for man and there will be a utopia

>>129231797
This video has a lot of faulty assumptions
>Google hires less people and makes more money
What is inflation?
>New jobs aren't keeping up with population growth
What population growth? The only first world country with population growth is the US and its only because of immigration. Most westerners are having fewer children. This is why so many countries are importing people to save the pensions.
>New stations need lots of people, but we only need 12 so thats bad
Yeah, and more people can make video content than ever before. People have been able to quit their job because of Youtube. He ignores this because it ruins the "machines will take everyone's jobs"
As humans advanced, jobs became more specalized
This is true, but the video gets it wrong. Division of labor happened because with the agricultural revolution, the entire population didn't have to just make food. The point I think they are trying to get is "Oh, everyone becomes more specialized but machines are most specialized so no jobs." Progression is not linear. Just like in the agricultural revolution, humans will have to do less that is required to keep society going.
>Job generation has shrunk in the US
If you are going back to 1970, pretty sure outsourcing is the reason for job lose, not automation.
>First decade of 21st century did not see new jobs. We need 150K jobs to keep up with population growth
Here is unemployment since 2000. If what he is saying is accurate, then the unemployment rate should be consitantly going up. Instead, it increases when the economy contracts and vis versa. The biggest spikes in unemployment were during the Great Recession and the Dot Com Bust. So this point is meaningless
https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet
Also, this video does this false comparison a lot. It uses data from now to prove that this will be a problem because something is happening in the future. He never has any data that actually ties increase in automation with decrease in jobs.

>>129245441
Jews are more often on welfare than niggers? You must mean Kiryas Joel. They do that because they think the most important 'job' in the world is to study the Talmud, even if it means you work like a slave and they luxuriate. You know they must have a lot of fraud in that too.

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>>129231797

Invest and buy stock in robot companies. Inoculate yourself from the future of jobless automation.

Just stop immigration and suddenly there are enough jobs for everyone.

Wow politics are hard.