Why do women consider rape to be the worst thing imaginable?

Ever see a woman stub her toe or get a tiny scratch? It's literally like anudduh shoah.

There's a reason we call weak willed people pussies.

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>>129227393
I have thought about this as well and my only conclusion is that I think it boils down to the fact that our perception of safety is forever shattered.

If you are raped (and not killed), to continue living knowing you were at one point 100% at the mercy of another individual must be hard to accept.

>>129228157
>There's a reason we call weak willed people pussies.

Weird - we just call them Trudeau

>>129228473
French loving homo

>>129227393

I'm a girl and raped is not the worst thing. Murdered is a lot more worse. Being the original poster in a thread as shit as this is even worse than being murdered

>>129228157
We call people "pussies" as it's derived from the word pusillanimous meaning coward. the word "pussy" to denote female genitalia came much later from a retard.

It's about forcing someone to submit, and the psychological implications.

>>129228857

I feel like I wouldn't be too bothered about it if I was 'raped' by someone I wouldn't mind sleeping with... however if it was some Muslim/Nigger/Kike/ect. I would probably have to honor-kill myself

>>129228968
Fucking pussilanimous

>>129227393
Rape is usually perpetrated by a nigger. Being touched by a nigger, especially intimately is often worse than death.

>>129229254
>Being touched by a nigger, especially intimately is often worse than death.
this

>>129227393

>thinking that if you got raped the rapist would of course be a man

anon...

>>129227393
psychological damage, you feel really dirty and damaged afterwards, also, it's pretty scary

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>>129227393
It's not so much the rape but whether the rapist will kill you after to try to get away or if it's the type of rapist that can only cum when he sees you dying (ie. strangling you and watching you die makes me ejaculate hard)

>>129229463
Sweden - So assumed rape victim, can't be that bad she still voted for more

>>129229463
elaborate on the psychological damage though

what is it about it? The power struggle, a shattered belief?

>>129229087
same desu

>>129227393
It's not the physical, but the emotional injury to the victim that is greater. That's why a guy getting raped by a guy is way more brutal (and joked about) than guy getting beaten by a guy.

There are women who have been raped and say that feminists are making it just worse saying it to be _the worst thing ever_, because then the women expect the be absolutely destroyed by it and if they aren't they feel guilty.

I honestly do not think it to be any worse than severe beating. Physical abuse that surely leaves some emotional scars, but nothing you can not get over with. How some people believe it is worse than death is beyond me. With that rational, suicide would be a cure and an upgrade. If your sister gets kidnapped and raped, would you really think "why didn't they just kill her? Why did they rape and let her go?!". Who the hell would think like that?

Ah yes.. feminists.

Well I wouldn't want to be raped either. Also it's because they're subconsciously afraid of carrying an inferior man's seed. Women use sex as a commodity

>>129229463

Yes and that will not happen if you fuck hundred of guys free-willingly.

>>129227393
It's by-and-large a crime specific against females. Also, society is extremely protective of female sexuality. With these combined, (((they))) can use it as leverage in virtually any situation.

>>129227393
It's because most of the time they'll orgasm from it. They enjoyed it but they feel like they shouldnt.

>>129229837
>I honestly do not think it to be any worse than severe beating
agree ... to an extent

if the victim gets an std or prego by the rapist... THAT is worse than a beating.

A beating is temporary, but stds are forever

>>129229980
>It's because most of the time they'll orgasm from it
sauce?

>>129227393
>ctrl+f "evolution"
>0 results

>>129227393
1) Because they derive their power from controlling access to their vagina. It's the most precious thing they have.

2) Because they know that being raped damages them in the eyes of men, so they need to compensate by bitching "muh ptsd" so that at least the beta cucks will still want to date them.

3) Because often they enjoy it while raped and it shames them (I'm talking about true rapes with actual physical violence here, not regret "rapes" or drunk "rapes" with their fuck buddies)

>>129230325
We don't take kindly to you "monkey" fellas around here

>>129227393
You should get raped. I want to see you just shrug it off.

>checks flag

Oh. Now your comment makes sense.

>>129230217
You need a source for that? Have you ever been with any woman in your life? They love being hit, humiliated, insulted, dominated, choked etc. It's their top fantasy.

>>129230556
Well I am not a lesbian so no I have not ever been with a woman

and from your statements I now know that you have not been with a woman either

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>>129229463
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>>129230405

This. Rape is one of the worst things evolutionarily for a woman.

1) You might become pregnant from someone with shitty genes and have to lose vast amounts of caloric resources and health for the next 9 months. In past ages you would have a very high chance of dying during birth. No man would want to date a rape victim. You would have no resources to raise the kid so you would need to throw it off a cliff or something.

2) Rape is dangerous. The guy could kill you.

3) If the guy is passably attractive then there's a chance you orgasm, because its the most aggressive situation you've ever been in. Yet at the same time you feel emotionally violated. If you have a male partner you'll never be able to explain this to them without them judging you.

4) As a young woman you have this feeling of being above the average guy in your society. That you are in some way special, princess like. To have that be taken away from you is like being a Russian aristocrat circa 1917.

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True fact here: it's not women who say it's the worst thing ever, it's males who say that.
The whole idea of female chastity is a guarantee for the beta cucks with money to get some sex. And they exercise it through the power of the society. Women in fact love rape, they can't get enough of it. Only it sucks for pencil neck mcgee working as a software engineer that only the muscleheads can get pussy through their alpha male strength.

>>129230783
If you're a woman, then you know that what I say is true (although I assume that your ability to delude yourself is much stronger than ours).

I have a girl and I insult her and physically dominate her when I fuck her. All girls I fucked liked that as well. Its no wonder 50 shades of grey is a best seller for (((women))).

>>129227393
You are either spiritually incompetent, or you have been trolled unbelievably badly.

Rape hurts. A lot.

Feeling powerless, weak. That shit hurts on a whole other level.

Physically, it's not exciting, it is not pleasurable. Just because you have a dick inside you doesn't mean you'll get wet. Dry vagina = painful vagina. Imagine getting fucked in your ass without lube. Kind of like that.

The weight of a bigger person on top of you, bearing down, holding you down. Some women might enjoy that, but it isn't pleasant generally. You can hardly breathe, and it's painful too.

And most rapes come with beatings. Guns. Knives. Threats that those weapons will be used if you don't comply.

That's all part of rape, briefly.

I wouldn't wish it on any man, woman, or child.

>>129227393
It's ponderous, isn't it? If they like the guy, it's the best thing ever. If they don't know the guy, it's the worst thing ever.

>>129231158
There are rare instances in which even the act of rape can in fact be justified. Here are four off the top of my head:

1. As punisment for a false accusation of rape in which the punishment has already been meted out.

Suppose Heather has a crush on Dick, a man with suitably Freudian moniker. Heather hits on Dick, but Dick takes no notice of her. In reality, Dick wants nothing to do with Heather. Heather, after realizing this, plots revenge. She goes to a bar and lies to the tough guys there "I was raped! Dick did it!"

The mob, riled up, surrounds Dick and beats him to death, despite Dick's pleas. They leave, while Heather examines the corpse. Unbeknownst to her, a big black man was watching the entire ordeal, from the accusation to the beating.

"I saw what you did," says the black man, "and now you're gonna get what's coming to you". It would be that man's moral right to rape the living shit out of that worthless cunt.

Alternatively, suppose after the beating, Dick gets back up, but the hemmoraging in his brain leaves him only five minutes to live. Dick too would have the right to rape her within the remaining timeframe of his life. Since he was punished for a crime he didn't do, he might as well commit it.

2. As retribution for a previously committed rape.

Suppose there's this really dorky kid. Every day a hot bombshell of a babe torments him in school. Rubbing up against him, grabbig his balls and cock, saying she wants him. This drives him to the point of lustful insanity, and he wants no more of it.

The kid, eager to get revenge, enlists the help of a friend. The friend will be on the lookout, while he makes his move.

The girl comes in and starts harassing him.

"Come on baby, I want that hot cock up my pulsating pussy." she says.

(1/2)

>>129231158
(2/2)


"You're wish is my comand, ma'am" replies the kid, as he physically throws himself upon his assailant, assailing her in return. He presses up against her, copping a feel, rubbing. When he has satisfied himself, he stops, much to the horror of the girl.

This too is an act of justifiable rape. It is akin to a kidnapped victim strangling his kidnapper with the very ropes used to tie him up. This also happened in real life. I was the friend who did the lookout.

3. As punishment for a revealing form of dress.

Suppose there's this girl, let's call her Sarah. Sarah lives a rotten lifestyle. She swears at her parents, drinks, does drugs, goes to parties, and gets fucked up. Worst of all, she dresses like a total slut, but only lets popular guys fuck her.

One day at a party full of drugged up scumbags, she passes out on the sofa. A scumbag teenager takes advantage of her. While the act of raping her would be wrong, considering the lifestyle she leads, it would also serve as a wake up call to her as well as her getting her just deserts. Therefore, in a sense, raping her would be justified.

4. As a last recourse to save the human race from extinction.

There is a nuclear war. The survivors are divided into two groups. 10,000 men, and 10,000 nuns (alternatively, 10,000 militant man-hating lesbians). The only way to save the human race is through the act of vaginal intercourse. But there's a catch. the nuns/lesbians do not want to have sex. And they are adamant.

Therefore, to save the human race, the only viable option would be for the 10,000 men to rape the 10,000 women, preferably tying them down so that multiple children could be administered.

Though a woman's sexual and reproductive rights are sacred, they pale in comparison to the survival to the human race.

I hope you enjoyed this dissertation, and I hope it generates some intelligent, profound discussion.

>>129227393

Every women fantasizes about being raped, it just has to be kind of sexy in some way

>>129231278
As I have not been a victim of a rape...I am not stating that you are incorrect in saying that women orgasm during rape, I just would love to see data that supports that, that's all.

Personally, humiliation, insults, ect. doesn't do it for me, but to each their own.

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>vagina tears
>bruised cervix
>chance of intected injuries
>chance of multiple diseases
>chance of pregnancy
>chance of single motherhood, shunned for aborting, or scorned for giving up your bastard baby
>general psychological trama of feeling powerless and self-hate due to their own weakness
>reminded that people only view them as objects, not human beings
>humiliation
>can also rape the bum too. With or without lube. Massive damage. May even go from bum to vag causing deadly infection
>stress hormones magnifying the hurt of everything
>can be raped multiple times in a row regardless of injuries, and by multiple people
>rapists don't care about age much: will target the weak, disabled, children, and the elderly too
>chance of getting beaten or murdered
>most cases its done by someone they know and trust, making them realize they can't trust /anyone/
>when the rapist is a stranger, it's often times an ugly nigger

Pretty bad desu. I know I wouldn't want a strange, dirty and diseased nigger to beat me and rape my bum to the point where I can't walk straight since my colon is hanging outside my anus and dripping blood like a Californian dam drips water.

>>129231676
>I just would love to see data that supports that, that's all

I get it, but I guess that it's impossible to observe. You would have to put sensors in, say, 1000 women's cunts and send them to a refugee camp naked without them knowing.

Otherwise the only thing you can do is "surveys". But if you're a woman who orgasmed during rape, are you gonna tell the truth to the survey guy while you lie to your boyfriend about your number of ex lovers?

You dont want AIDS ridden niggerdick in your womb that is reserved for making white children.

Are you niggers and/or cucks?

>>129231676
Of those who report their rapes, around 4–5% also describe experiencing orgasm. But the true numbers are likely much higher. In a 2004 review paper, a clinician reports, "I (have) met quite a lot of victims (males) who had the full sexual response during sexual abuse…I (have) met several female victims of incest and rape who had lubrication and orgasm."

The voices of the internet suggest he's right. Read through the Reddit thread or blogsor comments to articles that discuss orgasm during rape and you find storyafter story: "I was sexually abused at a young age and had an orgasm." "…although I never stopped resisting I was horrified to find myself having a series of multiple orgasms…" "I thought I would never be able to tell – except here." "Reading your post made me feel like maybe I am not such a freak." One woman describes a violent and painful gang rape and recalls, "One of the most disturbing things that happened that night is that I had an orgasm. Despite years of marriage, it was my first orgasm ever."

>>129229837

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuCDVneR-wM

This triggers the /pol/

>>129229980

No, untrue.

Most women only orgasm from clitoral stimulation.

Most rapists aren't going down on their victims. 99% of victims aren1t having orgasms.

Don't forget men are victims too. Guys don't enjoy rape either, for all the same reasons.

>>129231506
Fuck off achmed, you're really showing your sandnigger.

>>129231304
?

>>129231466
>>129231506
Is this what you do instead of working all day?

>>129232050
>But if you're a woman who orgasmed during rape, are you gonna tell the truth to the survey guy while you lie to your boyfriend about your number of ex lovers?

Confirming your original claim that "most women orgasm during rape" is absolute utter bullshit with no supporting evidence .

You are simply just 'guessing' that victims orgasm during rape, and even worse... using your own personal consensual experiences as if that somehow makes your claim credible.

>>129227393
They realize that their pussy is not a priceless commodity like they are led to believe

>>129232600
Not only my experiences. Also observation that women are more sexually attracted to powerful or physically strong guys, to aggressive and dominant behaviour.

As for rape being one of the most frequent fantasies in women, it is widely documented, as is the fact that 50 shades of grey was a bestsellers.

So it's easy to guess that a lot of them do orgasm during rape.

>>129232050

Pretty sure they do have literature discussing testimonies of a minority women having orgasms during rape. I bet if you did an analysis, it would depend on how attractive the guy is and how r-selected the woman is. However the rape fantasies that most women have are in no way equivalent to actual rape. They implicitly assume that they already are super attracted to the guy (why would such a guy rape?), that the guy even though he is 110% in charge still only does what they want (i.e. not stabbing them with a knife). Like they imagine some 6ft2 ripped duke with a doctorate who wears ripped jeans, a tank top and a musky cologne come back to his mansion after working a small sweat from winning a boxing match against the toughest guy in town, flirting with her slightly, smiling cockily while pushing her against the wall, ignoring her protests, forcing her prone, giving her orgasm after orgasm with her protests slowly dying out. Not some 42 year old immigrant crackhead with a rusty fork against her throat.

>>129232090
>Despite years of marriage, it was my first orgasm ever."
now that is terrible

interesting...I'll look into it -thanks anon

>>129232849
Of course you always masturbate by thinking to an attractive person.

But attractivity being equal, men are mostly not aroused by coercing women into having sex with them, they're aroused by the idea of "possessing" a woman who worship their cock and strongly desires them because they're awesome.

The fact that women have these rape fantasies does prove that being violented, dominated and coerced into having sex is arousing in itself for them.

>>129229463

This. The worst thing is if she gets an orgasm during the rape. It makes her question her entire personality

Because sex is our lowest function, memories of it stay forever and really fuck with your head.
Vaguely sexual memories go to a completely different part of my psyche, let alone purely sexual ones. I can still remember first orgasm, every boob I've ever seen IRL and in a ton of porn, defining moments in porn, etc.
The fucking song in the background of girls gone wild commercials is burned into my brain and I haven't seen one sine I was 13.
Now take that same unshakable memory and attach something like rape or molestation and you have your own personal hell. That's why victims almost always end up fucked up with eating disorders or severe psychological issues.

>>129228857
>more worse

Genuine girl confirmed. Also Tits or GTFO

>>129227393
Women like rape.
They just want men to think they think it's the worst thing, because it gives them the power to yell RAPE and have some idiot come running to save her.

>>129227393
Camille Paglia was interviewed about this years ago.

SPIN: But don't you think that people see a man getting beat up and a woman getting raped as completely different? Do you think rape should be considered as serious a crime as murder?

Paglia: That's absurd. I dislike anything that treats women as if they are special, frail little creatures. We don't need special protection. Rape is an assault. If it is a totally devastating psychological experience for a woman, then she doesn't have a proper attitude toward sex.

It's this whole stupid feminist thing about how we are basically nurturing, benevolent people, and sex is a wonderful thing between two equals. With that kind of attitude, then of course rape is going to be a total violation of your entire life, because you have had a stupid, naive, Mary Poppins view of life to begin with.

Sex in a turbulent power that we are not in control of; it's a dark force. The sexes are at war with each other. That's part of the excitement and interest of sex. It's the dark realm of the night. When you enter the realm of the night, horrible things can happen there. You can be attacked on a dark street. Does that mean we should never go into dark streets? Part of my excitement as a college student in the Sixties was coming out of the very protective Fifties. I was wandering those dark streets understanding that not only could I be raped, I could be killed.

It's like the gay men going down to the docks and having sex in alleyways and trucks; it's the danger. Feminists have no idea that some women like to flirt with danger because there is a sizzle in it.

You cant really talk if its never happened to you.

I cant imagine being held down and having someone forcefully penetrate you and do something so intimate is a great thing to experience.

A lot of girls lose their fucking minds after getting raped, develop horrible mental illnesses like schizophrenia and other things.

>>129229087
This. My boyfriend beats me and I'm ok with it because he is white

>>129230783
Girls love that shit, I'm assuming you've never been with a man.

>>129234988

t. bf is blood relative

>>129234988
>This. My boyfriend educates me and I'm ok with it because it shows me my true place

Fixed it for you

This is really simple.

All women fantasize about rape as long as it follows certain parameters:

What they expect:

>Handsome and dangerous David Beckham kind of guy loses it
>Throws her against the wall roughly but not too rough as to hurt her
>Whispers in her ear "I can't control myself anymore"
>As he holds her down and covers her mouth she gets a whiff of his 500$ parfume
>After they're done he leaves her there lonely in the cold as she is still squirming from the orgasm she tried to hold back
>Couple of months later she finds out she's pregnant from David fucking Beckham
>Set for life

What actually happens:

>Pakistan-Nigerian guy punches her in the face
>She tries to focus on the pain from having lost her front tooth to avoid passing out from the stink of the negroid
>As she looks down she can see a bunch of fleas and other insects near his crotch area
>Bleeding from her vags
>He gives her a sloppy tongue kiss after they're done with his stinky mustache and beard further contaminating her body with some sort of bugs
>She kills herself

>>129235620
I'm actually male. I'm just mentally ill cause gay and this sort of abuse is what I deserve

>>129231506
You sound like someone who thinks their entitled to pussy.

Youre the inferior genes we have been talking about.

>>129235978

/pol/ should collaborate on writing erotica. We can ghost-write the next bestseller, get some cam-girl to pretend to be the author, and use the money to buy one of those tiny island countries.

>>129227393
Did someone ever spit on your face? Or laughed at you? or made you look bad in front of someone important to you?
Shame is a real, very human emotion, that only autistic or incredibly spiritually strong people don't have.
Rape is the ultimate humiliation.

>>129227393
I do not consider myself primarily gay but i get
aroused by the thought of a dick plowing into my ass
since there would be sexual stimulus.

>>129236924
Women don't have honour. They don't feel guilt, only shame.

>>129236924
I guess I'm the latter.

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>>129229385
>Girls rape too meme
I honestly do not understand how this is possible, except in the 1/500 chance that the woman is physically dominant.

>>129236625
You weren't even in this thread, and you haven't refuted any of my well-crafted talking points.

Who the fuck are you, some whore? Gas yourself.

>>129236924
>only autistic or incredibly spiritually strong people
why did you add that second group?
if you hadn't I would've agreed with everything you said

>>129237159
Your french. You know nothing of honour.

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>>129237026
>Getting ass fucked feels good
Anon, that takes time. There's a reason most fags were raped as children.

They literally had no choice but to endure the pain.

>>129237355
Ive read every statement you wrote and I can tell you think you deserve pussy just for existing.

>>129229837
It's more than a beating...he was INSIDE YOU against your own will. Also, if you were ever robbed, you know that it can be pretty fucking scary. Some people end up being fearful for years after being mugged, and that usually takes just a few seconds.

>>129237305

IIncest, STDs, if you're a kid, the woman is super disgusting, you're super effeminate, or she is unhinged and has a knife or something. I don't see how a man can be 'raped' by a half-way normal woman. I mean its technically rape, but if you get upset by it your genes are an evolutionary dead end.

>>129237658
I was mugged and it didn't phase me at all.

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>>129237618
"You don't deserve pussy" is just another way of saying "MUH VAGINA" and drawing unwarranted attention towards yourself.

You are a whore. Females don't belong on this board.

>>129234575
>It's this whole stupid feminist thing about how we are basically nurturing, benevolent people
This is instantly refuted by the fact that rape is worse for men than for women
Paglia is fundamentally wrong about both the badness of rape and the source of our belief in it

>>129227393

That's because you're an autistic retard. I genuinely hope you get raped. Torture and rape are basically the two worst things that can happen to you and still being alive. So yes, it is super shitty.

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>>129237618
>Muh sisterhood social censorship works on an anonymous message board.

Back in the kitchen toots. If you even know how to cook something remotely edible.

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>>129227393
Porn is so endemic in modern culture, and legit social interaction so rare, that autists legitimately wonder why rape is bad.

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>>129227393
they hate rape because it's a situation they're not getting anything in return, women give sex always in exchange of something, when you take away the part that they get free shit they get mad.

>>129238452

Whereas I'm sure you love when Jamal rams his nigger dick up your puckered white asshole and beg for more, you fucking retarded faggot.

>>129229022

>dubs
>the correct answer
>no replies

hmm

>>129237417
Because it's the truth, a lot of spiritual disciplines involve shutting down the ego, and you can't feel shame without an ego. And it's a completely possible and real thing to do.

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>>129234575
>Sexes are at war with each other
Being this divorced from reality, it's unsurprising that she thinks:
>Sex is a dark force that we are not in control of

This woman is maladjusted. Pseudointellectuals always gravitate toward these sorts of statements because they sound deep if you lack the capacity to analyze/think.

>>129237159
Apparently you can't read. I sad shame, not honor, not guilt.
And besides, I was talking about rape in general. What I said applies to both man and woman.

>>129238570
>I HAVE BEEN FOUND OUT SHUT IT DOWN!
you're not fooling anyone here
you know the drill
TITS OR GTFO.

>>129237747
Did he pointed a gun at your face? or did he asked you for your wallet and you give it without resistance just in case he was armed?

>>129227393
/pol/ may not like to hear this, but your view is a symptom of degeneracy
you believe in a fundamentally hedonistic ethic, which is also subjectivistic
I can prove this if you care but I'm not gonna bother typing it out otherwise

suffice it to say: /pol/, you can't both pretend to repudiate people like Locke and Mill and at the same time believe that the only way a crime against a person could possibly be bad is if it caused them pain

>>129238728
Yea, no.

There's a reason sex is represented that way in literature throughout human history.

>>129227393
I thought Poland was a state in Germany until I was 17.

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>>129239174
Good argument.
>Others had the same retarded idea
>It must be true

Porn addicted NEETs think so, because they have subjectivist ethics.

>>129231676

You just haven't been insulted by the right man.

hmu you bitch

>>129239115
He was a junkie. He used a large kitchen knife and a dirty needle. I wasn't going to resist cause I didn't want the AIDS. If I was HIV positive anyway I would have disarmed him and stabbed him in the eye with it.

>>129238901

You're the dumb faggot that claims that rape is no big deal, which means you're fine with being raped by a pack of niggers. Make up your fucking mind, retard. If you don't care, why are you being defensive? Rape isn't a big deal, after all. Just let DeShawn fuck your white boy ass.

>>129239467

Holy shit this guy is seriously badass, I'm impressed. Nothing fazes you, does it? Damn. I'm gonna tell my little brother about you. I, too, one day hope to tell people on the internet that I would totally beat people up and kill people if I were in that situation.

>>129233685
Wow. I think you have issues, or you just don't get laid enough, or you're still a teenager.

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Threads like this are why I love 4chan. You just can't get honest discussions about rape anywhere else. Its all women with victim complexes who never claim any responsibility.

>>129238846
I wasn't contradicting you. It was a general statement.

>>129238584
that diagnosis presupposes that those spiritual disciplines are fundamentally correct
the very fact that you think there is such a thing as an "ego" which can be "shut down" and that shame depends on not having done that means that you accept their basic premises

by the way, it's nowhere near all spiritual disciplines that teach this
afaik it's unique to things like buddhism, advaita vedanta, and a few individual western mystics like eckhart
christian spirituality often emphasizes feelings of shame and guilt as appropriate ones that need to be reconciled with God, not removed or suppressed

>>129227393

You're esentially getting rid of the one thing they have control over. Their pussy

>>129239821
I bet you're pissed you can't downvote me.

>>129232849

>why would an attractive guy rape

Not so fast, friend

>>129239608
i'm a guy, i'm the one that does the raping my friend, also, there is countless stories of women having orgasms while being raped, how do you explain that?
how do you explain the insane success of 50 shades of gray? on a conscious level women want respect, but deep down at the animal level women love rape and they love domination

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>>129239125
>Relating Locke and Mill to pain based jurisprudence

I don't see the connection. Elaborate?

>>129227393
women's only value now is sex.

they don't cook, clean, raise kids, do manual labor, invent new things, etc. it is a direct attack on the only thing they exist for.

>>129239864

It's good to be honest but probably 75% of the posters in this thread are utterly retarded. People that think that the reason women hate rape is because they view their vagina as currency is fucking retarded and only comes from r9k rejects. Dumb autists that don't get why rape is bad are retarded. This isn't so much a discussion as much as a gathering of fucking idiots with very stupid opinions.

>>129227393
hi ya Joe

>>129240410
Nope.

>>129239415
No... You say it was a bad argument but your rebuttal doesn't even account for the fact.
It doesn't explain why it's so common in history. NEETs are a modern invention.

If many many humans have the same Idea about their individual sexual experiences throughout history, there must be some truth to the idea.

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>>129227393
I think you're understating the lasting damage of sexual trauma. Like when my first life experience was getting a chunk of my dick cut off.

>>129232849
How would you measure "r-selection"?

>>129233525
Your points are fine, but keep in mind rape fantasies are far from ubiquitous:

>Sixty-two percent said they'd had at least one such fantasy. But responses varied depending on the terminology used. When asked about being "overpowered by a man," 52 percent said they'd had that fantasy, the situation most typically depicted in women's romance fiction. But when the term was "rape," only 32 percent said they'd had the fantasy. These findings are in the same ballpark as previous reports.

>Frequency of rape fantasies varied substantially. Thirty-eight percent of respondents never had them. Of those who did, 25 percent reported such fantasies less than once a year. Thirteen percent had them a few times a year, 11 percent once a month, 8 percent once a week, and 5 percent several times a week. (Twenty-one percent of the respondents said they'd been sexually assaulted in real life.)

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/201001/womens-rape-fantasies-how-common-what-do-they-mean

>>129227393
Why do you pretend women can't be raped in the ass?

I bet it's increasingly likely these days as everyone is suddenly an asshole fetishist + it doesn't make her pregnant.

>>129240305

Even if she pulled out that gun, I wouldn't.

>>129240214
>i'm a guy, i'm the one that does the raping my friend

Oh, so you're retarded. Enjoy that thought behind your keyboard, you NEET faggot. Men can get fucked in the ass, incase you forgot, and your imaginary internet bravado doesn't protect your anus in real life.

>also, there is countless stories of women having orgasms while being raped, how do you explain that?

Why would I have to explain it? Many men get erections when they watch innocent animals being beaten or women being murdered. Does this mean that all men are psychopaths and killers? No. Other men get fucking boners when they break their back. Does that mean you want me to secretly break your fucking back? No, of course not.

How the body responds to stimuli is not an indication of what the active mind wants.

>how do you explain the insane success of 50 shades of gray?

Women like powerful men to dominate them, but in these fantasies they're still largely in control of everything. They get the scenario to play out exactly how they want, and it's with someone that is attractive and someone they want to have sex with. Actual rape is none of those things. In the same way that most men dream of being powerful fighters, kings, high ranking officials, or whatever, but don't fantasize about all of the responsibility and danger that comes with those things.

>on a conscious level women want respect, but deep down at the animal level women love rape and they love domination

Regardless of which, they do not want to be randomly raped by strangers you fucking autist.

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>>129228857
Tit-o-rinos faggot

>>129240160

Why would I need to? Your retardation is apparent to anyone moderately intelligent. So like...5 people in this thread.

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>>129240569
>If many many humans have the same Idea... there must be some truth to the idea.
There is no god but Allah (and) Muhammad is his prophet.

It's unsurprising that a Social metaphysician would find his sexuality to be an inexplicable "dark force."

>>129240980
Yeah, That's the kind of crazy that boils your dog and cuts your brake lines.

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>>129229463
Literally assblasted

>>129240364

Yo chill out literally noone thinks women are being raped and thinking "damn I just lost 23 per cent points on my vayjay sex market value, damn... Better start reading some books or something to make up for it... Is this guy done with raping me or what?" you have to distinguish shitposting for fun from actual serious posts

>>129241179
You should work at a cinema, you're the best projector I've ever met.

>>129227393
It comes from millennia of human society.
When a woman gets raped often she would get no justice, risked getting pregnant and either forced to be a prostitute or try an abortion that would be most likely heresy/illegal AND risky for her health, she might've be forced to marry her rapist basically locking her in hell, in some really backwater societies they would even take the full blame and be treated as sluts, and don't forget that even if you were pitied being a non-virgin meant almost 0% chances of getting married thus removing 99% of your value.
The worst thing that happened to men was feeling humiliated, things might be different now but for the longest time in human history women really had it bad with rape.

>>129241108
>Regardless of which, they do not want to be randomly raped by strangers you fucking autist.

ask your sister :)

>>129228968
WRONG
We also say that, and I assume many other people

>>129227393
Women should be glad porn exist. Men would be doing more raping way more then usual

>>129240812

Self reported surveys regarding sexuality are garbage. 52 percent of women admitting that they had sexual fantasies regarding being overpowered by men means that closer to 90% had them.

If you asked these same women how often they masturbated, or how many sexual partners they had, you're never going to get a straight answer. Rape fantasies really aren't any different.

I know my own anecdotal experience doesn't count for anything, but I've never had a girlfriend that didn't have rape fantasies, and I've had 8 in my life, and that isn't counting other sexual encounters with dates and things where it was pretty obvious. I think basically all women have rape fantasies and it would be rare for them not to have them.

>>129241206
>There is no god but Allah (and) Muhammad is his prophet.
This isn't describing anybody's individual experiences. I don't even know what above sentence is intended to mean.

We're talking about experiences right? If you're a rational person, you should recognize there are many things about yourself that you cannot understand.

>>129228968
digits confirm
>burgers dont say pusillanious

>>129240305
both have hedonistic ethics

>>129229385
It's impossible to be raped by a woman, even if she is extremely ugly

>>129228240
this
also your brain is sending you mixed messages
some saying this guy is fucking you he is good
the other saying he is bad

>>129241880

>get fucking rekt
>"ur mom"

Every time with you retards.

>>129242142
> women drugs you, ties you down and when you wake up beats you with a full purse and shoves a 14" dildo up you ass

That's not rape?

>>129227393
I actually didn't understand it until recently but now I think I do. Was there ever a moment in your life, probably as a kid, where you trapped somewhere that you couldn't get out of? Like you went exploring into some claustrophobic small space for fun and you ended up getting stuck? I did that a couple times as a kid and while I usually got myself out I still had a brief moment of utter panic and helplessness. Thats pretty much what rape is only you can't get yourself out of it. You're completely trapped and helpless which pretty much shatters your mind if it goes on long enough or happens enough times.

>>129227393
Im not gonna say Ive been raped but I have had hazing shit happen to me. I basically got fucked up and some fingers in the ass. If it is a random stranger raping you I could definitely see how you are in that much fear its pretty close to getting beat to fuck to the point of almost dying. It can be traumatizing. Some people are just being dramatic though. If you get fucked by an ex while both drunk and he isn't beating the shit out of you. You got fucked nothing violent I dont see much reason to be fucked up abiut. If you get like drugged and date raped thats fucked up though. Tbh no two situations are the same but a lot of people are pussies.

>>129229022
Meanwhile most women fantasize about this. My own girlfriend included. Went from vanilla to wanting to be choked out.

>>129239909
Well yeah, my comment doesn't include my definition of spirituality. That goes well beyond a few lines of text.
Suffice to say, that for me, spirituality and religion relate but one doesn't include the other.

>>129237658
I'd feel pretty fucking humiliated. I guess it all comes down to how badly your rapist is humiliated after he rapes you. If he undergoes the same or worse shame than me i'd be fine afterwards.

Rape fucks women up. I knew that girl who was raped when she was 16 or something. she couldn't enjoy sex without being emotionally or physically abused. You really should see a rape victim, it's like makes them dehumanize themselfes, shit's pretty scary

>>129243706
keep white knighting whores, that sure will get you laid.

>>129231275
Wait is that post real? wtf?

>>129243706
But why does it fuck them up so badly? Guys get raped in prison a fuck ton and they seem to just brush it off.

>>129243382
but my point was that when you say
>a lot of spiritual disciplines involve shutting down the ego, and you can't feel shame without an ego. And it's a completely possible and real thing to do
then you obviously believe that there is an ego that you can shut down and remove shame that way
so at that point you've already agreed with that kind of spiritual discipline on a basic level

>>129241108

>Does this mean that all men are psychopaths and killers?

ofcourse it does, and everybody would call them out.

>>129244336
If you seriously want to learn (and I doubt that you do because you asked on /pol/) you should look into firsthand accounts of rape victims and listen to their stories

>>129244336
you seriously believe they just brush it off?
maybe some do, if they are already deeply jaded and nihilistic, but in that case it would probably be a selection effect relative to prison populations

>>129227393
dumb frogposter

Having a cock in you is pretty damn close but I could think of many things far worse that don't involve anything sexual.

>>129244738
If you know so much about why don't you tell me?
>>129244791
We'll they don't become catatonic messes.

>>129231466
>>129231506

/r9k/ the post

>>129240812

Genes corresponding to fast maturation, high sex-hormone levels, low attractiveness, low intelligence, high impulsiveness/promiscuity, narcissism, lack of empathy. Fastest test: check the proportion of women with single moms who orgasm vs. those who don't.

>>129228857
>Murdered is a lot more worse
No shit. You really had to point that out? Also
>more worse
roastie confirmed

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>>129228240
This. And also often the offender tortures the victims.

>>129232103

LMFAO @ This baby dick buying into the "women only orgasm from clitoral stimulation" meme.

It's just not true Tokido.

>>129244933
>We'll they don't become catatonic messes.
i'm sure some do, just like some women do and most don't
also you're obviously much less likely to hear about it from men in general and from the sort of men who tend to go to prison in particular

>>129227393
I hope you get raped. Then come back and tell us how it was.

>the only thing is the pain
Fucking faggot. I don't care about pain the bad part is that you have a man in you. It's shameful and dishonourable. Not to mention gay as all hell. Modern people have no honour or self respect. Fucking whores and fags all of you. I'd rather get tortured then do gay shit. It's cool to say "Yeah I survived torture they tried everything but they couldn't break me I'm tough." But you say "yeah it's me OP the massive faggot I am okay with lots of penis" you are gay. Pain is just a temporary thing. You can't just unrape yourself. You never been in a fight before you little bitch?

>>129227393

It takes a woman's most valuable commodity - her sexuality and control thereof - and effectively reduces the value to zero.

Also most women are control freaks. Rape is the loss of control over their own bodies without their consent.

>>129227393

They do it for attention.

>>129227393
Cool, lemme know where you live and I'll swing by to rape you, let's test this out you fucking mick.

>>129246799
this, basically

>>129246799
>I'd rather get tortured then do gay shit.

really?

what if the choice is suck dick or get dick cut off?

still too gay?

Rape isn't even that bad. Women just need to complain and be overly dramatic about everything. Between the ages of 16 and 40 roasties allow at least a dozen dicks to be jammed into their holes. These women will participate in one night stands and drunken sexual adventures and take pride in their slut behavior. They'll suck chads dick for status. The minute someone fucks them that they aren't attracted to or are suddenly not in the mood, it becomes rape. If Chad or Tyrone or muhammed forces sex on them they would get off to it. Women are just cunts is all.

If I'm raped there's 0% chance of me getting pregnant. Women also have control over when sex happens most of the time, rape bypasses that.

>>129231466
I think it's pretty obvious here that you've thought about this subject to the point of mental illness. You should probably see a shrink.

>>129227393

rapists tend to be unattractive, unable to provide for a family, or both
this triggers the female brain because god forbid they have a child of a man they can't extract safety and resources from

>>129227393
>why do women care about rape

>no hymen no diamond
>unwanted sex leading to unwanted child
>stds
>pain
>paranoia that it could happen again
>men see you as broken goods

Man rape is the same

Forced insertion
>stds
>semen stolen, possibly forced to pay child support too
>your masculinity is stripped too weak to stop a girl

Anal Insertion (male and female)
>stds
>ripping and tearing
>if a man gets raped say bye bye to your masculinity there, you've been dominated
>left shit stained and broken on the floor

Rape is a big deal, it's forced breeding which is violent and painful and can lead to diseases and unwanted pregnancy.

It ignores the laws of evolution and basic human breeding rites and courtship

>>129227393
It's all the value they ever had.

>>129231466
>>129231506
You should write porn scripts, that was some entertaining shit. Especially that heather and dick one.

If we are talking about real rape here (not one night stand shit) then yes it is terrible.
>b-but women fantasize about rape
No they fantasize about a man they already want being so attracted to her that he sets out to dominate her. That is different from some black guy with a gun punching you and raping your ass in an alley then leaving you wondering if you have aids.

Is rape easy to get caught for? I've seriously been considering it lately.

Women are Wonderful

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qb6dME03crw

>>129254667
Yes it's pretty easy to get caught if she's smart enough to go to cops immediately and get a rape kit but you know that in USA her word is pretty much enough to convict you remember the hofstra rape? Those guys were all but I'm in prison when they found the video and it was entirely based on the girls words

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofstra_University_rape_case

>>129254205
It's true. They imagine men they're attracted to or with being so lustful for them that the man can't help himself but to take her.

"I don't know if I'll be able to stop myself if you don't tell me to leave right now," is a phrase used in many harlequin romance and fanfictions.

Thy want a man to love and want them so much that he loses control over her.

>>129227393
Aye mate. I have been wondering same stuff also. It's wierd how a slap to the face is considered as bad as a murder and rape is the end of the world.

I think it has something to do with the vague terms used. Rape can be literally just a quick pussygrabbing or then murdering mutilating fucking and cubing a 5 year old in a park in front of her parents. Violence and rape do have a nasty sound on them.

>>129227393
Rape is assault.
Assault is a crime.
Crime is for niggers.

>>129244336
most in prisons are not really people, cmon....

>>129229254
fpbp

>>129227393
>Why do women consider rape to be the worst thing imaginable?
'cuz you could wind up with a nigger baby

also telegony is real