Why isn't /pol/ libertarian anymore?

>>129206427
/pol/ is one person

I am.

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>>129206427
There's actually a whole bunch of libertarians, thing is we are outnumbered by nazis, shills and other forms of statist cucks

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>>129206427
Because leppit said it's bad.

>>129206427
>>129206427

libertarian is pro spics, niggers, and refugees and more often than not cuck themselves for liberal brownie points. a weak mans ideology.

>>129206940
Right of association is the only sustainable method to save the white race.

A weak mans ideology would be the one where he subjects himself to arbitrary ruling of other, stronger men.

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Because libertarianism is both autistic and antisocial.

Those jews want you to masturbate to gold coins until some nigger comes in with his homies to take it and rape you.

>>129206940
>spics, niggers, and refugees
The bad people in these groups wouldn't survive in a free market environment. They wouldn't even come here for welfare and handouts since that wouldn't exist in Ancapistan.

>>129207478
Is this what passes as an argument in your neetsoc circlejerks?

because ron paul let everybody down

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>>129206427

>/pol/ is a single entity

Anyway, Libertarianism is probably only workable in an ethnically homogenous, high IQ nation. That's not what we live in right now. Because that's not what we live in right now, Libertarianism is not only unworkable, but counter-productive.

The worse it all gets, the more necessary Authoritarianism becomes, which has its own innate pitfalls.

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>>129206427
Liberterian reporting in

>>129207915
>Anyway, Libertarianism is probably only workable in an ethnically homogenous, high IQ nation. That's not what we live in right now.

Can you explain why?

>>129206940

you're confusing apathy with tolerance and you're doing that because you are simple.

have fun licking the boots of stronger men though.

it is and we're the silent majority

>>129206543
What do those people's parents have to do with the very concept of libertariansm?

>>129207808
Yes. Is it violating the magical NAP of yours or something?

Like this is what I mean "autistic". These are the people who will argue hours about things that won't matter, simply because they love the pseudo-intellectual masturbation.

In the global game of collective interests you are simply irrelevant

>>129206427

Why isn't /pol/ feminist anymore? Us oldfags are getting over it

>>129206940
>libertarian is pro spics, niggers, and refugees and more often than not cuck themselves for liberal brownie points. a weak mans ideology.

Nigs, spics and refugees look for welfare handouts. A libertarian society would have none for them so it is a moot point.
I also would love to see how having complete freedom and not allowing anyone to rule you is being a cuck when it is quite the opposite.

PS: it is very funny to see a cuck like yourself who loves giving all the power tp the state calling anything a weak man's ideology.

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>>129206427
I like the idea of Libertarianism, but it's like socialism, it can only work in a closed and high-trust society where everyone plays by the rules.
And right now, the western world is under siege by communists who are hell-bent on our destruction. You cannot fight commies with libertarianism. It must be met with fascism and stamped out.

>>129206427
Because /pol/ and 4chan are first amendment loving. And we've gotten so extreme to celebrate that freedom, found here only in the darkest corner of the internet. The last bastion of anonymity, which is far less stifling and allows the dankiest memes to propogate even compared to pseudonymity.

because r/The_Donald leaked all over the place
I really hope this alt-right cringe shit dies really fast

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>>129206427
/pol/ isn't one person. Also there has been a huge influx of leftypol and r/T_D since the election.

>>129208722
Spelling mistakes and all.

>>129208487
Neetsocs thing that adding ((())) to something and calling them jews will make their arguments valid.
Unironically tumblr with swastikas.

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>>129208487
Libertarianism is subversive by its very own nature. The only point of it is to have people autistically follow some principle and assumptions as if they were the holy grail of truth. They aren't, they actually drive people apart with so much autism. And this is the reason why only people who feel no loyalty towards anything become libertarians.

>>129208537
>Magical NAP
wew lad

>Like this is what I mean "autistic". These are the people who will argue hours about things that won't matter, simply because they love the pseudo-intellectual masturbation.

Debating and trying to win the battle of ideas is autistic? This is just brainlet rabble, inferiority complex showing through.

Anyway, tell me, what are you doing then? How do you plan on convincing people to embrace and accept your ideals? You natsocs are certainly not preparing for war and you have no projection of violence, so how do you plan to gain the spotlight? Memes?

>In the global game of collective interests you are simply irrelevant

I see way more gadsden flags than nazi flags around the globe.

>>129206427
it was never libertarian you fucking kike

>>129208882
>Unironically tumblr with swastikas.
at least the tumbr seemed to have stopped being triggered over everything
here you see hundreds of threads complaining about video game developers not making all the characters wasp men

>>129208299 check >>129208609

/pol/'s working perspective of libertarianism is pretty spot-on and realist desu. Finds the middle-ground between autistic theorizing and where the rubber hits the road in our current political climate.

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>>129208967
Not an argument

>>129208299

Diversity+proximity=war. Low IQ=more violence.

>>129207478
>Autistic and antisocial

And why exactly isn't /pol libertarian?

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>>129206427
I am, but not terribly vocal about it here because of tiresome repetitive arguments with stormfags and other statist detritus.

>>129209442
as if you adhd sharts were more intelligent than monkeys

>>129206427
The communists formed antifa and are getting violent and calling for revolution. They need to be stopped

I believe freedom of speech, freedom of expression, etc. are paramount. Life is better when we possess those rights, and we can solve problems without giving them up.

With certain caveats, it should not be the government's job to control what I say, think or act.

Am I a libertarian?

>>129209726
>Implying libertarians can't P H Y S I C A L L Y R E M O V E commies

>>129206427
Most libertarians have jobs, so they don't have time to shitpost on 4chan all day.,

>>129207478
>Because libertarianism is both autistic and antisocial.
>antisocial
where the fuck are you getting this? Libertarianism isn't individualism

>>129208462
This, we lurk.

>>129206427
who the fuck said I wasnt?

>>129208911
>Humanity, Democracy, Civility and Reason
>Lets kill people who disagree with us

>>129209938
I never pretend to speak for leafs, but my version of Libertarianism is individualistic.

>>129209618

The problem with libertarianism is how it blinds people to it's real-world inapplicability because it's logical consistency will win them internet arguments.

>>129209891
Indeed, commies are a threat to our liberty, and our property. They must be removed.

>>129209331
So you think that libertarianism is not capable of combating communism, therefore we need to embrace an ideology that pretty much resembles communism in every sense excepting a few exceptions on social policies?

The only areas in our life safe from democratic values and communism are our private property, and they are only safe because people still have not been able to break through that barrier.

The problem with authoritarian ideologies is that they create a perception in people, the perception that they are allowed to dictate how others live because we're sharing something. And private property escapes this problem because it is something you are not sharing.

>>129209442
How does libertarianism (which embraces apartheid ideals) lead to diversity+proximity?

>>129209891
Yeah. The physical removal of commies is temporary fascism. Which is ok in my book

>>129206427

I am.

However, only right wing libertarianism can survive.
We must physically remove all democrats, socialists, and degenerates from our society to create a closed borders, family centered, libertarian order.

>>129208967
>loyalty
who the fuck would be loyal to a political party?

>>129210455
That isn't libertarianism you fuck.

>>129208609
>I like the idea of Libertarianism, but it's like socialism, it can only work in a closed and high-trust society where everyone plays by the rules.
Mostly true. Socialism however has been proven to not work purely from an economic standpoint.
>communism must be met with fascism and stamped out
Unfortunately I think this is true. I'm a fairly pure libertarian but today's libertarians confuse apathy with tolerant cultural cohesiveness. Legally libertarianism would overcome communism with a strong legal backbone, like the American constitution. However the constitution is 100% ignored, which is the fault of both citizens and government. If the 10th amendment were actually followed we simply wouldn't have problems with statists (specifically commies).

The welfare state is the key to everything.
>the American republic will endure until the day that congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money

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>>129210374
It's not tho. It's self defense.

>>129210159
I realized this long ago and that is why I moved to the mountains and live off-grid, to get away from collectivist influence as much as I can. I try to settle for Constitutionalism and just hope the statist world will leave me and mine alone. Maybe it will, maybe it won't. I'm a single-issue voter that votes for whoever promises me the least amount of government.

>>129210608
Nothing more libertarian than an apartheid. Private property concepts applied to a bigger scale.

>>129206427
I am a neoconservative, and all this fascists who are as leftist, economically speaking, as your regular commie, are really triggring me

>>129210295

The problem with your mode of thinking is that it is all purely academic and does not control for other factors. Namely that human beings are tribalistic by nature and a society that abandons group preference will be overrun by those that do not. The individualist society will not magically triumph in the end because it is more morally consistent or some other nonsense, you need to start seeing the world for what it is and realize that concepts like "rights" are only ever privileges that you are given by government and by your group by extension.

Western civilization is the only place where these types of practices have evolved in history and they are in fact the exception in what is otherwise the story of people dominating other people. So while I believe in notions of individualism, I also realize that they are not universal and self-sustaining and that they are directly dependent on cultures that have a shared sense of history.

>>129206543
this, libertarianism only means giving the (((big corporations))) the oportunity to do whatever they want, even making an state (this is why it is as retarded as anarcho-comunism)
check >>129208609 , it would not work with jewish

>>129208911
>that antifa poster

>>129207915
I guess I'm a pragmatic libertarian. Smaller government, more freedom, but i recognize the way to get there is to shore up our country's interest through strength and nationalism.

For if we don't, our country won't survive long enough to enact the sweeping reforms it needs.

>>129210877
I'm not really seeing the connection between apartheid and libertarianism.

>>129211398
>human beings are tribalistic by nature
Not an argument. A tribe can be something more abstract than just a group of people with the same origin. It can be people who share the same ideas.

>>129210147
individualism is libertarian but libertarianism isn't individualism

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libertarian is almost as incel neckbeard fedora as being far-left/marxist. ALMOST

>>129211508
Libertarians believe in free enterprise, not corporatism. I don't think you'll find many libertarians that support corporate influence in government, which allows them to buy the laws they need. One way to control this would be to only let political donations come from individual citizens, but I have zero hope in that happening. Statists are well-organized, libertarians aren't and don't want to be. I live my life as a libertarian and try to lead by example in my own small, insignificant way. I have no illusions that the world will follow me. I ran for office as a libertarian about 15 years ago, and was under the mistaken impression that humanity wanted to be free. I was wrong.

>>129211398
Also libertarians are not ancaps. We understand the need for a government. We just don't like the idea of a meddling state with corrupted slimy fucks who think they know better than you what's best for you.

>>129211842

This is nonsense and purely academic wankery. People are not programmable robots who are going to suddenly lay aside tradition, history, and blood ties in favor of abstract egalitarian bullshit that only vaguely represents reality. This is especially true in the current context of low-IQ shitskins paying lip service to Western values to get whites to allow them into their lands so they can vote for leftist redistributionist political parties. Wake the fuck up.

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i fucking hate lolbertarians

>>129212545
Africans are notoriously collectivist, so that isn't surprising.

>>129211398
I think this is a strawman argument with little substance on libertarianism. You probably read somewhere "I just want the government to leave me alone" and then projected that we want no part on society whatsoever.

Before government got involved, there was discrimination, judgement and a degree of socialization in order to get the benefits of welfare, with government, you can isolate yourself in your home only going out to buy hot pockets, masturbate furiously to underage cartoons, and you will get your cheque and free healthcare.

Current form of welfare is not society, it is anti-society

What we want is the choice to select which society we want to be part of, and who forms part of that society, this forces people to be social.

>>129212717
Collectivism is the only right thing

>>129206427
>implying we're not.
Economically most /pol/acks are libertarian.
The problem is that libertarianism offers no solutions for combating corrupting influences like SJWs and jews.
That's where fascism comes in

Remember: fascist in the streets, libertarian in the sheets

>>129212829
Sure Jamal, get back to me in 20 years and tell me all about your collectivist Utopia.

>>129212337
If there were no state, there is no way jewish people will not make one ruled by them

>>129211809
In your house, you have walls, you have right of admission, you can associate with someone and share it (wife) or dissociate with someone and kick them out of your house.

Libertarianism is nothing but private property, contracts and free association.

because there is a psyop to get people to hate capitalism. first it was sjws and retarded liberals now theyre converting nazis to socialism to ensure all are equally poor. nationalism needs to incorporate the free market, its simple; markets that continue to fail or inherit monopolies become nationalized. some people simply believe in authority and that we need masters. those people were beaten as children and probably raped. freedom mans trancendence

>>129212477
I didn't say forget your blood ties you mong. I said that a tribe can be more abstract than just blood ties, I have nothing in common with a greek communist and i have everything in common with an american libertarian. Your low-IQ shitskin example if anything is an argument about why you can't allow the government get big. Because it is by definition a parasitic organism with the main purpose of sustaining itself and getting more powerfull.

>>129212829
Ew.

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Back when /pol/ had more libertarian discussions, a concerted shilling campaign emerged that eventually chipped away a lot of the free market talk. I started collecting screenshots of the apparent shilling at a time where shills weren't as common, and then the gamergate exodus happened.

>>129212825

I agree with you. What I am saying is that everything you just said in your post is not how shitskins think because they have no cultural basis for adhering to these ideas and they will overrun the nations that do and vote for more statism if those nations don't keep them the fuck out.

>>129206543
only a natsoc nigger seriously thinks libertarianism is a strictly 20th century phenomenon. Because of niggers like you and so called 'liberals' we have to call ourselves classical liberals. What I believe comes from the enlightenment and our inspired founding fathers, not some strawmen that you handily propped up. Lets face the facts, you are an unawares liberal that thinks he has an argument for big government, corporatist fascism that is somehow different from the liberals he pretends to hate. It's no wonder that you are Canadian.

>>129213070
*is mans transcendence. god, regardless of religion, wants you to be free to spread the word to the community to replace big brother goverbment

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>>129212545
I hate them and swedes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhkRQUtD_Jo

>>129213058
Not all libertarian ideologies are ancap you know?

>>129213058
They're a small segment of the population, and could be kept in check if Joe Six-Pack was more aware, but he isn't. They also have help from plenty of aware goy. In other words, no argument here.

>>129209098
Was going to comment on his post and my app crashed, but you made basically the same points i wanted to see.

I would just like to add that under a libertarian society, people are armed, and stupid people will quickly meet their demise because no state is their to protect the criminals.

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>>129206427
it is, the NEETsocs LARPers are just louder

>>129213154
>Back when /pol/ had more libertarian discussions, a concerted shilling campaign emerged that eventually chipped away a lot of the free market talk.

That shilling campaign mainly consisted of national socialists.

>>129213141

There is an extremely high probability that any libertarian you ever do meet is going to be European or of European ancestry. Why? Because limited government and individual rights is our fucking birthright. All I am saying is to not assume these ideas to be universal and ruin what we've inherited by letting mongrels in.

Trust us, libertarianism will work. True libertarianism just hasn't been tried yet.

>>129213059
Okay, but that isn't apartheid. The state controlled basically everything under that regime.

>>129213729
The whole problem with third worlders coming in is because of gibs. Remove gibs=non violent physical removal of shitskins

>>129213058
Libertarian =/= ancap.
Libertarian is basically classical liberalism "a state governs best when it governs the least".
In libertarianism the state still exists, but only to perform the absolute minimum tasks necessary to preserve the sovereignty of the state

>>129213729
When I was younger I thought everyone wanted freedom and liberty, as I said above. That's a very naive way of thinking. I think that mankind has been fighting and enslaving each other for so long that it shouldn't be surprising that a significant percentage of humanity has been bred to love their servitude, and a significant percentage loves control. Libertarianism is the uphill battle to end all uphill battles.

>>129213168
We don't want them to vote, we don't want anyone to vote for anything they should have no say in.

Shitskins are largely attracted by welfare. A country of gated communities, with no free schools, no free healthcare, not even free roads, offers them nothing that they don't have in their own houses.

With libertarianism, migration becomes a matter of being able to purchase property (which already filters a great part of the immigration) and also free association, including the free exclusion of anyone whose skin color is darker than this shade of pink.

The problem I see is that people think somehow libertarians won't combat these issues, but what I perceive day and night is that the state and this perception of power people have is only perpetuating it and making it worse.

>>129213766
Well, in a libertarian state you could control basically everything under your property. Now, whether that's a good strategy to make your property gain value or not is another matter.

The other day a Portuguese libertarian anon posted this video, which explains the ultimate goal of libertarianism:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb8nJauOq_8

>>129213732
And it will never have the chance, because its fucking retarded

>>129206427
I'm libertarian. Don't tell me what I isn't.
pol got invaded by these stormfag shills and other statist shites.

>>129213625
Don't get me wrong, there were a number of natsocs that jumped in on it, but the initial spamming was very scripted.

>>129214300
Wow, that's a more eloquent argument than I expected from a big-government statist. Well done. You should be very happy with the state of the world. It was made of, by, and for you.

>>129212829
Spoken like a true cuckold.
I bet Jamaal and Abdullah are trully enjoying that collectivism while banging your wife and living in a house and having a salary you and other cuckoldscuckold provide them with your taxes.

>>129214150
>Libertarian =/= ancap.
>>129214249
>Well, in a libertarian state


Wrong. The NAP implies anarchy. A libertarian state is oxymoronic.

>>129206427
Because it was a meme

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because
>libertarians

>>129214150>>129213484>>129213511
ok then, is there is not a strong government, ther is no way the jewish will not buy it for they will

>>129206427
We got pissed the fuck off

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>>129206427

Honest answer, and I can only speak for myself now:

I realized the average human being in the West is too distracted with meaningless shit, too preoccupied with degeneracy, too financially illiterate and far too self-loathing to do anything constructive with liberty.

E.g., we are too far down the rabbit hole for a little bit of "freedom" to fix us. When the next financial disaster hits, if we give the population "freedom to choose" we're gonna find ourselves in a full-on-blow-hard marxist state.

The only answer is authoritarianism and multiple etho-states for a while.

If that doesn't come we white westerners are completely fucked.

>>129214145
>>129214249

You both are joking right? Yes, gibs attract a lot of leeches but so does the overall wealth that free markets create so even in that scenario you are asking for an eventual multicultural death sentence.

>>129214175

Same here. I wish the people in this thread would stop worshiping the NAP like it's an intrinsic law of the universe.

>>129206427
Pretty libertarian here, but can't stand the open borders one world shit

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>>129206427

Speak for yourself, I'm a proud Hoppean Libertarian.

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>>129206427
It is.

Tread and you're dead.

Mostly because Libertarians are apathetic to degeneracy and don't see how effective Jews are at spreading it.

It's not the 1950's anymore, if you let people racemix and have tons of gay sex guilt free, you're going to get a society of niggers and faggots who will out vote you, freedom of association or not.

>>129206427
Because Gary Johnson is a retard?

>>129214664
A libertarian state is only a way of calling a limited territory where libertarianism is a possibility.

>>129214975
>You both are joking right? Yes, gibs attract a lot of leeches but so does the overall wealth that free markets create so even in that scenario you are asking for an eventual multicultural death sentence

But where are those leeches being attracted to, how are they moving within the country, how are they crossing the borders?

In a libertarian scenario, they would need to purchase property to move there or be invited to live with someone else, at the same time, certain communities and private cities would be able to contractually offer the guarantee that no unqualified immigration will happen within their premises, which would allow them to limit immigration in an effective manner, and people who reject immigration would be able to find options in the market for their beliefs.

In the end, the most successful set of rules would be the most replicated one.

>>129215030
You can be for borders and sovereignty and be a Libertarian. Just consider illegals and world government to be violators of the NAP. Organizing to fight it is another problem, and one I'm willing to make an exception for. Libertarians can work together for a common good, they just don't like being forced to do it.

>>129206427
Because I'm going full anarchy

>>129215528
This libertarian agrees. You've got classical libertarians and Gary Johnson libertarians.

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>>129206427
I am OP. I am. The problem is we had a shill representing us. A true Libertarian is more Federalist than anything.

Libertarianism is impossible with niggers, Jews and muds.

>>129215598

Get out of here man. European migrants to the US were effectively as poor or poorer than a lot of these Muslims and there were no handouts waiting for them a long fucking boat ride away.

Also, I don't want a system that gets me an ethno-state incidentally. I want it to be explicit and unapologetic.

>>129210295
>t. reddit

>>129216014
If the US would just get rid of all the gibs, ALL of them, folks would be surprised how white it becomes, and we wouldn't burden our kids with the guilt that tends to follow concentration camps.

>>129216014
>Get out of here man. European migrants to the US were effectively as poor or poorer than a lot of these Muslims and there were no handouts waiting for them a long fucking boat ride away.

So? You're describing a newly discovered continent where no land was previously appropriated.

This is not even close to the situation we're describing now

>Also, I don't want a system that gets me an ethno-state incidentally. I want it to be explicit and unapologetic.

You're not going to get an ethno-state by forcing the non-willing people to accept it. Not for long at least. The source of all conflicts and the lack of durability of some political ideologies is strictly rooted in coercion and oppression.

You need right of dissociation and private property.

>>129206427
Ah yes, libertarians, the ultimate jew dream.

>>129206427
They tread on us.

>>129207478
>calling others autistic and antisocial
>posts Hitler, uses N word, overt anti-Semitism
Anon, I have bad news for you.

>>129206427
I am. I just watch the morons spluttering nonsense for the most part, Praise kek!

>>129216589
You're probably the Spaniard who makes all the commie threads, but tell me, if Libertarianism is the jew dream, why is Israel a police state?

>>129209098
Don't even bother with these retards Maltabro, their only arguments are throwing Jew epithets everywhere. The sad thing is that Rothbard probably was a bigger white nationalist than all of these spineless fags combined.

>>129216532

People don't have to be persuaded into in-group preference. They have to be dissuaded out of it. This is the massive subversion campaign that's been imposed on the West by hijacking a lot of it's own egalitarian political history as well as imperial history and using it against them. Even if you expelled all these Marxists out of your libertarian society, they would fund efforts from afar to infiltrate and uproot the foundations on which you had built it.

>>129217424
So you're a libertarian then?

If what you advocate for is dissociation of the current state and voluntary association of white people in a private territory without imposing it to others then what is the difference between you and me?

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>>129206427
Because of the pic included.

>>129217424
You're advocating for the same system of oppression you're against. Marxists infiltrate and use the power of governments.

>>129208882
>south partk syndrome
Libertarianism is for open borders. A limited government means no national borders as that's "statism by another name".

>>129218105
We never entered hard times.

>>129209428
Yet you present no argument. By this logic, any hierarchal structure and order is "cuckoldry". The military is now "cuckoldry". But you are conflating everything as being sexual. Not surprised as lolbergs love moral decay; in fact, their ideology promotes rampant societal decay because "it's my body, dad".

>>129218209
Gary Johnson libertarians are open borders types. Invasions violate the NAP.

>>129217376
Indeed, multiple articles from jews calling Rothbard and anti-semite and a racist.

It seemed an easy argument to make and was way too good of a chance to demonstrate our rivals are usually brainlets.

>>129218209

Private property has borders. Open borders is literally a state mandate, as much as open doors.

>>129218209
Open borders is a state creation, and is another example of the tragedy of the commons.

>>129206427
It sure smells like summer in here!

A general notice to all human beings on 4chan, schools out in the US!

brasse your self for influx of Summer kids!


Thank you for your attention. stay safe.

>>129218498
What nation-state is "invaded"? Capitalism is globalism as, by definition, the state and all its tentacles naturally pervert markets. Therefore, capitalism MUST be anarchist. Anarchy is for niggers and will incentivize mass miscegenation/importation of the third world because Juan Pablo will work for free while white flight takes place to serve Mr. Goldberg's Coca Cola company.
>>129218542
Private property has borders, yes. I never claimed otherwise. That is separate from national borders enforced by a state. That's what I claimed.
>>129218717
Open borders are allowed by states, but anarchies are open borders, by default. Which is what capitalism results to.

>>129207915
This guy has it right

>>129218967
>private property
>open borders
pick one faggot

>>129218967
>Private property has borders, yes. I never claimed otherwise. That is separate from national borders enforced by a state. That's what I claimed.

So you think that embracing private property and expanding it to all the areas of a country is not libertarian?

If all your country was private property of people, migration could only be done via prior, personal invitation.

Forcing people to live with who they don't want to live, and not offering them the possibility of dissociating with these immigrants, is the most anti-libertarian policy you could ever find.

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Because it's a failed ideology and it's backers are ovenworthy.

>>129206427
I've been noticing this too. It's not like /pol/ or 4chan in general has a history of wanting to be morally policed.

>>129207652
They're already here retard

Libertarian constitutionalist here

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/faq.html

>>129218967
You can have global trade without global government. We've had global trade for a long time. States perverting markets is not a libertarian tenet, so not sure where you're going with that. This sounds like some commie thinking where the state fucks up capitalism, the commies point at how fucked up state-perverted capitalism is, and declare the answer to be more statism. Maybe I misread... Gotta go, sorry I won't be here to answer back.

>>129210670
It's an immune response.

>>129219436
The two are separate. Ancap preaches for private property borders. That's all and well, but there is no state to enforce the national borders. That is the end result of capitalism. It IS globalism.
>>129219442
>So you think that embracing private property and expanding it to all the areas of a country is not libertarian?
You can't have your cake and eat it, too. You are arguing for a centralized statehood defending the state's borders. You are arguing for the existence of a state. Capitalism cannot operate with a government. Government is inherently coercive and must be abolished, so says the capitalism. Read your own beliefs first.
>If all your country was private property of people
That's not how private property works, unless you are advocating for "a state, but don't call it a state because Mr. Goldberg doesn't like that". (((He))) is basically president with no real opposition.
>Forcing people to live with who they don't want to live, and not offering them the possibility of dissociating with these immigrants, is the most anti-libertarian policy you could ever find.
Nobody is forcing you to live with them. You have your own private property and its borders are enforced. Others property is none of your business. And this is why an ancap "society" fails: it allows for mass migration. Who gives you the right to tell others to not invite Somalis to their homes?
Its inherent hyper-individualism naturally decays the nationhood.
The absence of a state means the absence of borders and immigration policy for the statehood because there is no more "Malta". It's only you. Stop being so collectivist, bro.

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>>129206427
>libertarian
depends who or what hides inside the definition.

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>>129206427
The truth is that men are tired of liberty. -Benito Mussolini

>>129219970
>You can have global trade without global government. We've had global trade for a long time.
You've been under the thumb of a government operating for the "global citizens" as opposed to your own ethnic citizenry for a while.
>States perverting markets is not a libertarian tenet, so not sure where you're going with that
For what purpose is the state's reach limited? Ask yourself why it allows and promotes privatization of many industries? It most certainly is.
>This sounds like some commie thinking where the state fucks up capitalism, the commies point at how fucked up state-perverted capitalism is, and declare the answer to be more statism.
I'm NS, not communist. More so favouring a mixed economy, but more so pragmatist. "State capitalism" is an oxymoron.

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>implying natsocfaggotry is the majority of /pol/

>>129219892
They would all leave or die out once the free market is introduced.

>>129221205
You would rather allow Tyrone to have twelve kids while six of them die in gang shootings or die from a lack of welfare/after a home invasion gone wrong than to physically remove them right off the bat?
Probably because there isn't a removal agency in your ideal state. Also, no state.

"Self government" is libertarian newspeak for "everybody ought to be able to live as if they are the only human in the universe, if only they believe in the power of libertarianism." It's a utopian ideal like those of some Marxists and born-agains that would essentially require some sort of human perfection to work.

>>129221365
>Probably because there isn't a removal agency in your ideal state. Also, no state.

Also because the initiation of force is immoral.

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>>129221365

Tyrone is not allowed in our district. We have signed a private contract between private propety owners and we want no nigger in our suburb.

Now you can fuck off or get shot in the face for NAP violation my dear Tyrone.

>>129221935
>Private contract between private owners

Isn't this a form of government style statism anyway

>>129221816
The non-whites who flood your lands (but not your own private property, though, so it's cool because control of anything else is immoral) aren't "moral" either.
>>129221935
>district
>lol statist cucks
>I'll be collectivist at my convenience
Why didn't you just say you were internally inconsistent?
A "suburb" is collectivist. Who decides who is not allowed? You mean all the people vote and agree on a certain standard of rules enforced by, say, some "suburb authority"? "State, but don't call it one". Careful, statism leads to statism.

>>129222225
>>129222226
oh come the fuck on
129222222

>Not creating your McWhite Country on your private property and through voluntary association
>Not having McSlaves working in your private property
>Not reveling as you see Liberals getting flooded by undesirables in their Private property Socialist Utopia (c)
This is an AnCap world, you're just tolerating mafias.

>>129222226
>>129222225
>>129222287
This is the day you learned you are an idiot, leaf.

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>>129221038
...You're still using a fashy meme to prove your point of not being a fascist.

Maybe these private property owners could gather together and meet up occasionally to decide these rules of what happens in their area

>>129222559
But Brits aren't leafs.

>>129222226

I'm free to associate myself with other private owners who want to discriminate (a right granted by freedom and private propetry) against niggers, faggots and people who are ambidextrous. They are not allowed here so you cant even sell your private propetry to a nigger.
Again its a private contract and breaking it will be a violation of NAP.

>>129222225

>a private contract between two person is the same as the State

Whatever dude

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>>129206427
/pol/ is a mixture of Christians, Pagans, Libertarians and Nat Soc, our main goal is to preserve our heritage and people

>>129222860
You just argued against yourself in the very point you tried to make then had no response for the other point

Retarded

>>129222860
>I'm free to associate myself with other private owners who want to discriminate (a right granted by freedom and private propetry) against niggers, faggots and people who are ambidextrous.
Yeah, all three of them. That's the same problem the West is running into right now. No real standard of values enforced by a nation; in fact, they work against white values.

>>129219647
How's that working for you?

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>>129206940
>libertarian is pro spics, niggers, and refugees and more often than not cuck themselves for liberal brownie points. a weak mans ideology.

kek

>>129223383

What is the other point?Usually those arguing against libertarians have no point simply because they believe that "x" is what is a libertarian and have never read about it. Not politically nor economically.

So if you have a question thats not a retarded one i will gladly answer. But 99,9% are retarded by my experience.

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>>129206427
It was and always has been you dumb newfag

>>129223806
"YOU can be a traditionalist. YOU can uphold those morals and values. YOU can own your own private property. But don't tell me what not to do with my body. It's a victimless crime, you bigot.
https://youtu.be/r7T6qU16fT4
Who are you to judge? I thought you supported free speech and freedom of choice. I can choose to be gay, or to be trans. Stop being so bigoted."
Yes, a weak man's ideology. Allowing for moral subversion, in principle (by removing all statehood and authority over the masses). You assume everybody is a WASP.

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>>129206427
Because of this guy

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>>129224196

Go be gay somewhere else. Built you own faggotland and have an ass cancer in there.

>>129224800
See? Told you. You are completely fine with "faggotland", in principle. That's my whole point. Toleration as opposed to removal. Your "hoppean removal services" are a daydream if your ideology incentivizes degeneracy.

>>129206427
They fell for the orange jew.

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>>129206427
We're right here buddy

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>>129225074

>implying a LGBTIA+ group of tumblr retards and mentally deranged people can manage to run a city

Who care about your decadent faggotland?You and your degeneracy will eventually bankrupt anyway.
And, in the end, you will be force to live were your degeneracy is not welcomed so you will have to keep it in the secret of your private propetry.

>>129214664
Again, libertarianism =/= ancap.
A libertarian society is built on more than just the NAP because only someone stupid enough to believe in anarcho-anything would believe that the NAP alone is sufficient for a stable society

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>>129225561
Based spaghettibro! Will Salvini ever recruit private right wing death squads to kill antifa, unions and foreign invaders?

>>129206427

libertarianism would work were it not for the jews and nigger problem

Alright I'll ask the libertarians in this thread

What is your flavour of libertarianism?

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>>129206427
We're still here, just sick of arguing with ridiculous strawmen and redditors.

>>129225561
>Who care about your decadent faggotland?
You do by underestimating them. They've managed to turn your movement into what it is now: faggotland acceptance.
>so you will have to keep it in the secret of your private propetry.
>just don't call it state authoritarianism

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>>129226267
The best kind: Hoppean.

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>>129225824

Well he definitely want to close our borders and ship back all these invaders. Also his economic plan for a flat tax at 15% is pretty based desu

Anyone want to retreat into the woods and start a libertarian paradise?

>>129226781
What are his chances of winning and Padania secession?

>>129206427
I'm a Libertarian. /pol/ is NatSoc as far as I can tell. One emphasizes personal liberty and the other is authoritarian with an emphasis on the collective good and ethnic nationalism.

>>129206427
This video made me think:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ul0qfEL_Zog
Can someone explain to me how property would work in a libertarian world? Basically, who grants property deeds if not the state? And what gives these entities the authority to establish ownership of land?

>>129206427
because we have to get rid of the niggers and kikes for it to work

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>>129226864
Already on it senpai. Look up Liberland, Free Private Cities, Gurgaon, Honduras Economic Development Zones, Free State Project, seasteading and Constitutional Convention.

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>>129209428
One hundred percent this. I don't know how anyone could desire living under a dictator.
Pic not related.

>>129223178
I would say our main goal is to resist and remove outside influences which seek to control or subvert us.
This is the core of individualism, which is the building block for all right wing ideologies.
This puts us inevitably opposed to all globalists, NWO, and of course, the eternal jew

Spic and goatfucker invasions proved free trade to be a farce.

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>>129227441
I suggest you stop trading with everyone then and live a life of self sufficiency in isolation.

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>>129226638

>Underestimate them
>they will manage to turn your movement

Wut???
I've already told you I'm associated with other private propetry owners who want no faggotry in our place. If a group of pro-LGBT faggots with protest sign appear at Center Plaza this will be a violation of NAP. They will be physically removed in an istant.

>>129226936

Salvini is not secessionist anymore, he turned Nationalist/Sovereignist (identitarian)

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>>129223178

>>129227626
>If a group of pro-LGBT faggots with protest sign appear at Center Plaza this will be a violation of NAP.
Ah, so your... dare I say it... state borders of "ancapistan". Like I said, just don't call it a group collective.

>>129221205
>They would all leave or die out once the free market is introduced.
Or go with the flow and adapt, like humans tend to do.

>>129206427
They stepped on snek

>>129227621

I thought this was about NOT being a libertarian.

Being an isolated atomized individual is precisely why libertarianism makes a nation ever vulnerable to foreign take over and cultural death.

>>129206543
Oh, right.
Because da joooozsh control everything.
Glad your neet status allows you to devote most of your time to YouTube research.

>>129227831

Did you believe in the libertarian principle of freedom of association?If yes you dont need other names.

>>129226682
>>129227626
Oh I see, you're just pretend libertarians then

>>129206427
We are.

But Donald Trump is a godsend.

>>129228153
yes they do, now fuck off back to plebbit

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>>129206543
Wow a good Canada post

>>129228233
Wait a few generations. You'll have Magna Carta pop up soon enough.

Allowing corporations to rape weaker countries for their resources is the best way to ensure a future for white children.

>>129228309

>the only true libertarians are the left wing ones

top kek

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>>129228490
Lol such a shit-tier conspiracy theory. It's at flat-earth theory levels.

Jews can't even agree with each other, let alone orchestrate an international/global conspiracy to dominate humanity. This sounds like some stupid Warcraft plot or something.

Are you larping as Zionist slaying Paladin, too?

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>>129227784
Bummer, but if Salvini turned identitarian then I guess it's a second best turnout of events.

>>129228096
Clearly you have no idea what you're talking about. Libertarians see the importance of the division of labor and free markets in human interaction, that's hardly atomization and isolation. And we also want the state off our churches and off our communities. The State is the one that atomizes and corners us.

Read Reactionary Liberty by Robert Taylor.

>>129218373
>thinks the military isn't cuckoldry of the highest order
You have no idea.

>>129208462
Confirm, lurking

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It is, you shitlord

>>129228753
Lurk moar, faggot.

>>129228911
Do they make you watch? If not, then no. It's just authority over the foot soldiers.

>>129229021
LOL
That's exactly what I was expecting. That reply, nothing more. Great rebuttal bro.

>"Libertarian" arguments
>You don't understand
>Hoppe snake memes
>Quotes
>Read book by guy

Can't wait for this truly free utopia to get going!

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>>129206543

uncle Milt is based

>>129228753
lurk moar, newfag
>>129229021
indeed

>>129229250
It's sad you require a nanny state to function. I notice a lot of right-wing NEETs long for a 4th Reich to bend them into shape. Their parents never disciplined them and subconsciously demand authority.

>>129210159

Libertarianism is just classic liberalism, which existed in America up til FDR.

>>129206427
Because /pol/ grew up. Nobody over 25 is a libertarian unless they are retarded.

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>>129229402
Newfag? Not going to call me a cuck or goyim?
shitty, I thought you had the whole /pol/ starterpack going!

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i'm a big fan of roads personally desu

>>129229535
The sadder thing is that right-wing NEETs wouldn't last 5 minutes under a 4th Reich

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>>129229250
>neetsoc arguments
>strawmen
>muh degeneracy
>strawmen
>stop liking what I don't like
>parasites are ok as long as they're white
>more strawmen
>our politicians will be different, our government doesn't need checks and balances
>watch this youtube video
>muh welfare
Hiel Hortler! 1377!

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>>129229535
>It's sad you require a nanny state to function. I notice a lot of right-wing NEETs long for a 4th Reich to bend them into shape. Their parents never disciplined them and subconsciously demand authority.

/pol/ was never libertarian. /pol/ just liked blindly following Ron Paul because it pissed people off. Now /pol/ likes blindly running around being neo-Nazis and Trump supporters because it pisses people off. In reality, /pol/ is an ideologically bankrupt bunch of weeaboos.

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>>129228153
>>129228753
>>129229196
(((You))) have to go back

>>129228309
No the faggot acceptance guys are the fake Libertarians.

>>129218717
>tragedy of the commons
You mean that thing that's been debunked over and over again?

>>129207436
The way humanity has done it for 10000s of years

>>129206427
We realised that with spics, niggers, kikes, and gooks that society would be shit.

>>129218132
But marxists infiltrate by brainwashing and destroying the sense of nationlistic pride, cohesion and traditional values.
If you had a strong nationalistic Government you could expel those influences and (((they))) wouldn't undermine your value as a nation.

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>>129206427
They violated the NAP by poisoning our bread and circuses.

>>129229751
Go back to https://www.reddit.com/

>>129218334
Pretty much since 1965, we've been going down hill

>>129231635

The fucked up thing is that nazis and leftists agree on Israel these days.

>>129233610
But it hasn't been hard. It's only began to get hard with the housing crash. It's still much much easier than the pre 1950s

>>129226426
Do you find it surprising that some economies work better at different levels of regulation

I.e. Singapore has very little economic regulation, South Korea has little economic regulation

But also nations like pre Islamic Sweden and Japan have a stricter regulated economy but also have/ had a pretty good system

>>129234212
But now a days it takes two incomes to support a family compared to back than

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>>129214766
This. Libertarianism is about as utopianistic as communism, meaning it's just a made up dream that cannot come true. Capitalism led to our current state of degeneracy, libertarianism won't be enough to save our society.

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Because it's funner to larp as a nazi. Libertarianism isn't completely dead here, a lot of straw polls show that the amount of libertarians and natsoc are about the same.

>>129206940
Because skin color is such an important issue. How stupid can you be?

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>>129228753
>conspiracy theory

You've got a long way to go my friend

>>129234633
People raised children on far less. If you tried to bring up kids the same way they did you'd be considered destitute and committing child abuse. The statistics for starving children and hunger are hugely inflated (if you went to bed while hungry once in the year you're considered starving).

>>129218373
>the military is now "cuckoldry"

yes. yes it is

t. veteran

>>129208609
Libertarianism for people, fascism for corporations.

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A libertarian who wants to police moral actions devolves into an (((aut-right))) drone.

We're still here. We're just libertarian ...

>>129206543
Why the fuck is Block there? He's nowhere near as influential as the other four.

>>129236543
Because a Nation today means nothing, no one cares about your plight, there's no gratitude, only entitlement; there's no virtue, only freedom; there´s no competition, only nepothism

>>129206427
But i am, anon

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>>129235741
That pic

>>129237063
many people, I'd even say most, join due a sense of nationalistic pride and duty. however, that's not what the military's purpose is anymore. The only time it would be honorable to serve is if our nation was under attack.

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>>129235268
You have to go back

>>129237382
That sense of nationalistic pride is what made us strong, it brought us this beautiful civilization.
It makes my blood boil to see how they treat veterans and police officers.

>>129219892
What's going to happen once we smash the welfare state? they going to starve? no more free lunches.

>>129229313
This, Friedman has been triggering communists for over 50 years.
A based jew if there ever was such a thing

>>129237910
I unironically despise nationalism. veterans are cucks. cops aren't

>>129210374
You're an idiot.

>hurt we killin' commies so we're literally hitler nao!!!1

lol

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>>129228153
>ignoring glaring Jewish influence in the destruction of Western civilization

have fun at the mercy of your corporations, ancuck

>>129238531
Sounds like you are just anti military. What's the matter? Had family in one of the irrelevent shitholes we bombed recently?

>>129207915
Anarchism is the absence of a mechanism, its a natural state so its functioning on multiple instances through the planet as we speak. It doesn't require the construction of coordination of anything, mentally retarded people would allow it to exist, let the natural order take its place, your desire to obsessively control everything reflects your fear and insecurity.
>>129208609
Commies only exists with a state to pamper them, anarchism/libertarianism lacks that state leaving them to rely on their laughable notions in a real market.
>>129208911
nice buzzwords

>>129207436
Right of association, aka big companies ship the spics and in by the boatload destroying your country especially the democracy since they all vote for more government.

>>129238531
>The only time it would be honorable to serve is if our nation was under attack.
How that is not nationalistic?

>>129239246
blind nationalism. my mistake. there is nothing inherently wrong with nationalism

>>129238839
i'm anti-military because it's unnecessary at the moment

Open borders

Libertarian will never work since women and minorities will never vote for it. This is why we need fascism to get rid of democracy.

Join or die cucks

>>129239730
>Libertarian will never work since women and minorities will never vote for it.

Libertarianism (anarchism) doesn't require the current political system to manifest itself.

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>>129206427
Libertarians are a joke,the state still opress us.Ancap is best

>>129239402
Oh yes, but the removal of nationalism by the mass media, the cucks in power and the advent of cultural marxism is destroying us from the inside.

>>129239225
Right of association allows you to live in a community with no democracy and a community with no immigration allowed/vetted immigration.

For a libertarian community, democracy should be completely forbidden.

>>129239941
Explain how it would come to fruition then

>>129218334

The hard times are coming, friend.

>>129240176

Agorism is a good approach. Civil disobedience is another. I'm not one to say that it is entirely unhelpful to have electoral politics lend a hand, but I don't think it should be the favored approach.

>>129240176
There are a few possibilities

1) Total balkanization of a country
2) Collapse of state pensions/massive economic stagnation due to taxes to try to keep the old people alive with aging population.
3) Private cities
4) Federalization taken to the extreme
5) Revolution

>>129206940
>libertarian is pro spics, niggers, and refugees and more often than not cuck themselves for liberal brownie points. a weak mans ideology.

yes. sounds a lot like that (((vox gay))) moron and everyone else associated with (((libtardarianism)))

>>129241106

I was about to mention secession/Balkanization.

What we have is not working. Innate racial difference, LBJ's bullshit Great Society policies, and Obama's race baiting have created a clusterfuck which minorities have been easily duped into exacerbating.

Ethno-regions are a good idea. This feminine sentiment that everyone must live with each other and we must get along is nonsensical and potentially destructive considering how unworkable it has become. We can have our own enclaves. We can work and trade and so on. But if we can not coexist peacefully and if we don't want to live around each other full-time, that is alright. No harm, no foul.

>>129222684
That's his own personal gas chamber.

>>129206427
Because pol graduated to "Literally Hitler".
Time to grow up son, here is your SS patch.

>>129206427
Because of leftist stormfaggots.

Where's the pic of the political graph that shows what happens when the snake is almost stepped on?

It's a natural reaction to current circumstances.

>>129230184
>>129244285
Oh yeah this

>>129206427
Libertarians want liberal degeneracy. Its opposite to real conservatism.

>>129244690
This too. Hoppe even criticized the libertarian movement as attracting a bunch of outcasts and degenerates who want to do weird shit, and are less concerned with actual functionality.

>>129215528
Thing is, most actual libertarians despite Gary "dude regulations lmao" Johnson and his brand of """""libertarianism"""""

>>129208487
Because (((they))) are raised in a divide and conquer culture.
And look at the havok rent by the adherents to our economy and industry wrt Greenspan et all.