Climate Change

>>129195766
It's a hoax

>>129195766
it's real

>>129195766
Hoax.

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>>129196553
>flag
Braindead cunt
>>129195766
Its a hoax.

>Royal Society Lecture on global greening
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5M1qtN62yk

It’s important to establish some basic principals of the relationship between the biosphere and the climate. Ambient levels of atmospheric CO2 throughout the history of Earth have fluctuated greatly irrespective of human activity and exhibited cyclical patters far before the industrial revolution and the advent of widespread petroleum combustion. The climate is a dynamic system influenced by a myriad of factors including volcanic and oceanic venting, solar cycles, cosmic events, general planetary cycles, methane releasing from the ongoing thaw of the previous ice age, and the biosphere itself, including human and industrial activity. Such complex and dynamic systems are quite robust and exhibit qualities of homeostasis; for example, as CO2 rises, the biomass of plants consequently increases – plants thrive in warm, wet, CO2-rich environments. The effect that CO2 has on temperature is largely logarithmic, with each doubling of CO2 the corresponding temperature increase becomes evermore diminished, and at our current amounts, the effects of increasing CO2 has approached levels of saturation, changing temperature very little – the modest increase in temperature due to CO2 effectively represents a burst of life and organic productivity. The extra warmth allows more water vapor to be liberated into the atmosphere, thereby allowing more plants to thrive in areas where they otherwise wouldn’t be able to – with more plants, more CO2 is drawn out from the atmosphere and incorporated into the surface flora; since the 1970s it has been observed through satellite analysis and surveying that the Earth has gained a continental-sized increase in greenery across the planet, all the while CO2 has been increasing.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth
https://phys.org/news/2017-05-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide-global-greening.html

>>129196756
not an argument

>>129196842
Even if one adheres to the hyped narrative of detrimental carbon warming, believing that a global extinction event and crisis will ensue within decades due to agricultural collapse and rising ocean levels, the solutions they propose are entirely baseless and merely represent the consolidation of authoritarian power. Invariably the hysterical eco-fascists call the establishment of a bureaucratic monstrosity to rule over the planet, instituting elaborate carbon taxation schemes designed to disincentive carbon-producing processes and encourage “green” sustainable methods of manufacturing and energy. Such a system would inevitably destroy the competitive market, annihilating small businesses, and centralize all autonomy around corporate monopolies, who would largely exist as tax-exempt entities. All human endeavor would have to be analyzed and deemed acceptable by the State power of “carbon councils”, effectively representing a kind of neo-feudalism where only the chosen loyalists possess the right to engage in enterprise. Furthermore, such a system of carbon taxation would enable the powers that be to rapidly deindustrialize the first world wealthier nations, while at the same time suppressing the advancement of poorer nations – this is top-down, bureaucratic enslavement. What’s strange is that many mainstream “scientists” of the prevailing dogmatic orthodoxy claim that we’ve already reached the tipping point, where even if we could magically halt all carbon-emitting processes right now, it wouldn’t make a difference with regards to the progression of the current warming trend, and the ensuing crisis is inevitable – surely this means that such prospective solutions, like a carbon tax, would be entirely redundant. It seems desirable to invest in

Climate change is real, but the fact that it's man-made is a total hoax.

>>129195766
fake news

>>129196877
basically lets focus on reducing particulate matter (smog), stop toxic dumping, and stop deforestation, while actively reforesting areas -- this is real environmentalism, not the carbon-cult mindfuckery

Who deny climate change?
(((Capitalist))) (((neocon))) republican (((shills))) who only care about (((corporate interests))).

>(((climate change hoax)))

>>129195766
Climaate change is real, the clima hast been changing since the exisistence of the earth, currently it is getting warmer and that is to a very little part our fault

The United States military thinks it's the biggest threat to our national existence.

I think /pol/ is retarded desu

There is no 100% factual evidence that shows anthropogenic global warming is real. No chart has ever been correct, and we have been in a cooling period for the last 20 years.

>>129197306
They want to use it as a mechanism to centralize control you braindead nigger.

>>129195766
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>>129196756
>>129196946

I understand we live in a world built on lies but is it not blatantly obvious the ones laughing while you say this are the big oil and coal companies? An entire scientific community gains nothing by collaborating a lie of this scale. Hell even saudi arabia and qatar would like to personally thankyou for defending their business interests.

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>>129196859
Just pointing out the obvious.. Do some research for yourself before you defend Jew/chinese propaganda.
Even my bluepilled family dont believe in that shit.
>its true because bill nye and al gore told me so
Ever talked to a weather expert in real life about it? No? I have.

>open a chemistry book
>read about CO2 and tampon solutions
>open a biology book
>read about the correlation between sea creatures and acidity levels
It's not that hard guys, just open a book sometimes

Daily reminder that zionist neocon politicians are the ones denieng global warming.

Those so called 'proofs' that global warming is a myth are pseudoscience trying to look reliable, these infographs have been debunked.

Climate change is real.

There is massive amount of evidence for manmade climate change.

The majority of climate scientist agree on this.

Deniers take the data of climate scientists and cherrypick the data which fits their narrative.

As far I can see deniers fall into three categories:
Ignorants who just don't want their life to change.
Sceptics because of "religion" or science is "elitist nonsense" to get munnies.
Tinfoil hats who believe it is the ((((JEW))))).

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>>129197571
>climate change
>blue pilled

>calls people who don't blindly follow trump anymore shills
>blind trump follower

>>129197545
It's a hoax made by those same companies, you moron, who plan on keep going the same way they do (transferring polluting industries to 3rd world countries) and profiting even more with carbon tax.

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Complete hoax. When I was a kid in the seventies, people were talking about a new ice age coming. They can't predict the weather next month let alone next year or a hundred years. It's a scam. Al Gore said the oceans were about to rise and then bought a house in Malibu, laughing at the suckers.

>>129197790
Just open a book goddamit

>>129197928
>Believing politicians instead of actual science
N I C E

>>129196842
>>129196877
>>129197034

Since the 1970s the Earth has experienced a continental-sized increase in surface level flora.
CO2 effects are near levels of saturation (increasing CO2 will have negligible effects on temp)
We're still not even fully out of the previous ice age, we've been in a warming trend before even the industrial revolution.

This is merely a mechanism to create monopoly and centralize world control around carbon taxation schemes.

>>129197718
Let's see what you're saying

>majority of climate scientists agree that there's a massive amount of evidence for man-made climate change
Where they disagree on is to what extent it actually affects the biosphere of the planet.

Some claim that CO2 will cause desertification, others claim that it will feed plant life and prevent desertification.

>>129197928
> 70s ice age meme

Please inform yourself about the 70s ice age meme, you are making an idiot of yourself for repeating this meme.

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>>129197718
Is this /pol/ or my fucking facebook feed?
I bet you guys think the holocaust was real and 9/11 was a terroras attack. Kek.
Dont believe everything you read or everyones opinion. Make up your own

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>>129197933
Strong case you're making there

Major oil corperations try to tell me its a hoax.. dont trust those cunts.. so its definitely real.

>>129195766
The climate is changing sure, but Earth's climate has shifted one way or another throughout its history. How much humans affect climate change is to question. The belief that CO2 regulates climate is magical. The ice caps we're always going g to eventually melt again, people are shitting bricks unnecessarily. Species go extinct, sea level rise and lowers, life goes on.

>>129198091
This

>>129198114
It will do both you twat. Global consequences don't fall into black and white categories (either this or either that). It depends on what part of the earth you are looking at.

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>>129197836
>calls people who don't blindly follow trump anymore shills"
Cant see that anywhere in my post.

>>129198190
>math is an opinion
>Chemisty is an opinion

>>129198190
> don't believe science
> my opinion has the same relevance as scientists

This is ridiculous. Have fun with rising water levels Denmark.

>>129197928
Comparing ppl from 1970 to now.. we are pretty much all in agreement people back then were dumv as fuck.

>>129198190
Holocaust was exagerated, only 200k died for treason and 9/11 was zionist insurance fraud.

Follow the big money and know how to world works:
holocaust: profitable
9/11: profitable
global warming hoax: profitable

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a lot of eyes are directed at the Antarctic archipelago at the moment, because the LARSEN C ice shelf is set to calf the biggest ice berg ever recorded in a few days or weeks, which may be followed by the near-term collapse of the entire remaining ice shelf.

But the region people actually should be paying most of their attention on is the Amundsen Sea Sector. This region is drained by 6 giant glaciers (Pine Island, Thwaites, Smith,...) who themselves hold a estimated sea level rise of 1.2m.

In 2014, using satellite radar altimetry, people at NASA JPL were able to show that the grounding line of these glaciers was retreating very fast and even increasing with time. That's highly significant since these glaciers lie on beds with a retrograde slope that goes back into the entire West Antarctic basin, which means they could represent the starting point of the long-term collapse of the whole WAES. The WAES holds a total of 3 to 4m of sea level rise and is inherently unstable according to the marine ice sheet instability hypothesis.

>>129198163
I was there, bitch. People talked about it a lot.

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>>129198394
Prove that its not. You look at numbers others collected and blindly believes in it. Its just as stupid as everything else
>>129198431
Wrong country.. Nice try abdulla

If a dozen wolves introduced to yellowstone could literally cause a chain reaction that created rivees and ponds and grasslands and balance the enviroment.

Id have to believe 7-8billion humans also cause chain reaction

I think that actions have consequences and anybody who suggests otherwise is serving an agenda.

It is real and it is a huge problem that will kill tens of millions or more and cause trillions of dollars of damage and profit loss.

>>129198431
Sea levels aren't rising and the ice caps aren't melting

if you seriously believe that climate change is a hoax, you're as dumb as Trump.

>>129198291
The idea behind the latter is that increased foliage will be better at retaining water in the soil, the opposite of the principle that when you lose enough foliage the water will flood away (mudslides) leaving behind dry soil that before long ends up a desert, like what's happening in Spain.
Of course foliage will only develop to a point where it might consume too much water and then die down to where water is in steady supply again, jumping Inbetween the two scenarios.

The former however is based on the idea that CO2 raises the temperature by enough to overcome water retention capabilities (too much rain). It doesn't.

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>>129198740
Best post this far. And its a leaf

>>129198702
> people talked about it

Yes. People talk about lots of stuff. That doesn't mean it is a correct representation of how many scientists subscribed to the ice age theory.

Hint: It was never the majority. Do some reading.

>>129198446
What are you, 12?

>>129198724
I dont need any numbers, just hard facts my friend. The coral reef is bleaching, permafrost is melting. You know what that means?

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>>129195766

>>129198724
Sorry Norway. Still, you have plenty of coastal towns who will suffer.

> blindly believe in "collected numbers"
You really have no ideas how science works, do you?

>>129198956
Same hype and scare tactics

>>129195766
shits fucked nothing can be done about it short of killing off almost every person on earth
other than that its not even the worst thing that is happing right now

pollution is a far greater concern
soon enough there will not be any clean water
and the rate of acidity alone is killing off much sea life

>>129199142
> I don't like what I hear
> It's scare tactics

>>129199198
The acidity of the sea is directly related to CO2 emissions, not pollution.

>>129197545

>awards
>federal funding
>book deals
>documentaries
>news appearances

All in a severely underpaid industry.

Really makes you think, stupid abo

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>>129195766
I think industrialization is the future. Man was meant to engineer and create. Consume this world as we step towards the stars

Holy Terra is only the beginning

>>129199088
He got his views from some infographs that looked convincing and calls anyone who doesn't agree with him not a true /pol/ack.

This so called climate change hoax is a hoax by itself created by corporatist shills.

Just because shitlibs defend it doesn't mean it's false.

>>129198974
Seen this for yourself? Done your own research? Or do you like everyone else just believe?
>>129199088
Checked. Tell me how it works then you expert

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>>129198379
>Cant see that anywhere in my post.
>this

>>129195766
>"Averaged over all land and ocean surfaces, temperatures warmed roughly 1.53 degrees Fahrenheit (0.85 degrees Celsius) from 1880 to 2012"
I'm a well educated person with a degree in engineering, but I suppose there's something about climate modeling that I'm not understanding. .85 degree average temperature variation, on a system the size of earth, over a period of 132 years, seems incredibly stable, almost too good to be true.

>>129195766
actually bud, I did a bit of research and this one is true. Unfortunately there are some people like Crowder who try to toss this one into the same band wagon as identity politics and that other dumb shit.

>>129195766
In the end, it doesnt metter whther or not the earth is heating up. We should be moving towards renewables and nuclear just to avoid the pollution. An increase in temperature due to man is debatable, something for academics to argue over. Industrial runoff killing all the life in a river basin is something that is not only easily understood, but something we can actually act against.

>>129199367
that's pretty much it
if the acid does not get the frogs and fish lead and mercury will
also plastic and soon buckyballs / carbon nano tubes
bonus points for nitrate run off and algal bloom

>>129199465
He got his views from some infographs that looked convincing and calls anyone who doesn't agree with him not a true /pol/ack."

Not true. Ive talked to a Norwegian weather expert that has documented the weather the last 100 years.

>>129199654
>Seen this for yourself? Done your own research?
Yes
If you are interested there are plenty of videos even on youtube on both permafrost melting and corals dyng

We all want a clean, healthy planet. Carbon tax slavery is not the solution.

>>129195766
Actually seems real. I haven't been persuaded it's a hoax.

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>>129199724
Not what you claimed i said.. And its ment to be funny.. Not hurting you baby leftist feelings

>>129199803
it's not actually
a signal of 1°C for global land and ocean (which is where we are now) is actually quite a lot and also incredibly fast considering it took only a few decades.

The entire temperature variability of the Holocene (that's the last 12,000 years) had an amplitude of only ~1°C.

A rise of 2°C (which me may hit in the middle of the century with BAS emissions) is widely regarded as the functional limit of tropical coral reefs, would mean ice-free Arctic summers and would commit our planet to a sea level rise of between 4 and 9 meters in the long-term.

>>129199654
> How does science work.

In a nutshell: Scientists observe the material world and form theories that explain what they see (so far the same as religion).

The difference to religion:
Theories are tested. If they don't hold up they
- are refined
- are discarded

Repeat this process over centuries of scientific research and you get a pretty good understanding of fundamental principles and laws that govern the material world.

With these principles and laws you can predict how the material world (or parts thereof) will behave if you change parameters.

You implied science just collects §random numbers" that you have to believe.

The big difference between religion and science is: With science everyone can join in and test all the theories. If you find evidence that a theory is wrong, congratulations you've added to our knowledge.
With religion, you'll probably become an outcast (best case) or get you head chopped off.

>>129199982
In real life you neckbeard.. Noticed any change for yourself?

>>129200454
>The entire temperature variability of the Holocene
What's the methodology for deriving that figure?

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>>129200597
Im not a religious nutjob. So you cant agree that you have to put your faith in "Scientists"?

>>129200687
What do you mean? there is no permafrost in Italy. Are you saying that if i dont go to Russia myself and see with my own two eyes, it's not real? Hitting rock bottom here

>>129195766
the climate is changing naturally. we have had several ice ages and it will happen again. its all natural.
and maybe we can contribute into holding the climate back slightly, but its money down the drain in the long run.

>>129195766
Evidence points that it's real and man-made.

So, if you don't think science is magic, I would stick with what the scientists say.

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>>129200879
data from tree rings (MXD), boreholes, pollen sequences, ice cores, lake and deep ocean sediments, coral archives, speleothems and various biomelcules (TEX86, alkenon undersaturation index,...)

>>129201091
>it's all natural
Snake venom it's also natural, fancy a shot?

>>129197718

>believing what (((scientists))) who get paid billions of dollars by globalists to advance a narrative print in their echo chamber academic journals where dissent costs you your career
>not understanding natural climate variation and carbon cycles
>believing fear-based virtue signalling hysteria uncritically because muh scientist said so

I know it's hard to think with all that mohammedan dick in your mouth but you could at least try not to be such a cuck

>>129201284
>not understanding natural climate variation and carbon cycles
Oh the irony

>>129201038
Stick to making pizzas there Mario because your critical thinking skills are non-existent

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>>129201038
Im saying that youre a believer like everyone else and unless you do your own work. You put your faith in ((Scientists))and is no better than people like me that believes its a hoax.
Your numbers and proofs dont mean shit in this day and age
>>129201091
Based

>>129195766
Depends how you define it really.

>Is it real
Yes
>Is it because of man
Some of it is
>Well how much
That's hard to say.

The last point is really the most important point. Humans clearly have an effect on greenhouses gasses, but the extent of which is still kind of fuzzy.

If anyone ever brings it up though, ask them why they're not crusading against China and India, because if anyone is making the planet hotter, it's those two countries.

>>129200943
No I can't. It is not "faith" because you can test every scientific theory and falsify if. As I've said, science is open to everyone (except you are not very well equipped in the brains department).

What you really seem to point at is that certain parts of scientific research are so complex that it is hard for the layman to understand (I don't claim to understand particle physics for example). These areas seem to be unaccessible but that doesn't mean scientist pull their results out of their arse.

Also: Without science we wouldn't even be able to communicate over this forum. Does your mobile phone only work if you have faith in science?

>>129201512
>Im saying that youre a believer like everyone else and unless you do your own work.
but i did, i already told you i did
you are just running in circles.

>>129196553
it's really a hoax.

How could pumping 400 billion tons of carbon gas into the atmosphere in less than 200 years not result in climate change?

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>>129195766
Who do you belive:
The American Association for the Advancement of Science (http://whatweknow.aaas.org/)
or
pic related

>>129201762
You said: i saw this on youtube

CO2 fun facts

man's contribution to CO2 is about 3% of total

CO2 makes up .0004% of the atmosphere.

if we all died it would make so little difference as to be insignificant.

Current temperatures are within extremes of the past 2000 years.

Science is not done by consensus.

>>129202169
CO2 is a hoax

>>129195766
again and again and again. while everybody shits themself over climate chance, we're poisoning our planet and ourselves with myriads of substances - just forget about the dying forests and acid rains of the 80's.

one day i go postal, even my peers... it's all just my motorcycle, my vacation... it's like everybody's high.
nobody wants to listen, because we couldn't have this comfy life, if we wanted to change it.

>>129201204
Link me to textbook type methodology for reconstructing atmospheric temperature from the data you describe, if you know it. I'm curious how they're able to derive so fine a measurement over that time period, using data you describe, without direct instrumentation.

WATCH and LEARN

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wz8eoIJAOKY

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>>129202493
this should be a good starting point

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_(climate)

It's a roux

>>129195766
It's true but it's full of morons which I suspect were purposely put on that side to discredit the whole thing.
Regardless while we're not anywhere near a doomsday scenario, it wouldn't hurt to start being more responsible with heavy industries and water pollution.

>>129195766
It's not the first time and certainly not the last Human population have to live through polar shifting and ice age..

>>129202410
> .0004% CO2 in the atmosphere

It is not about how much there is it is about manmade disruption of a formely balanced CO2 cycle by adding more CO2 than gets absorbed.

>>129202401
No, i said you could find videos of both permafrost and corals on youtube from multiple independent sources.
As for myself, i saw with my own 2 eyes bleached corals brought here in my Biology department were i study. As for permafrost, there are so many different sources but nothing stops you from going in Siberia and check for yourself.

>>129202631
Thanks.

>>129201284
>not understanding that if anybody could scientifically disprove the the consensus they'd go down in history like Einstein.

Okay, maybe not Einstein, but they'd be more famous than Oppenheimer for sure.

>>129202410
>what is a tampon solution

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>>129202789
Alright. Now prove that its man-made

>>129202777
there is no evidence CO2 can even cause warming

Water vapour completely dominates the greenhouse effect and absorbs radiation at the same frequencies as CO2.

>>129203313
> no evidence for CO2 causing global warming

Yes. There is. Massive amounts thereof.

>>129201733
A theory needs to be falsifiable in science. Climate change or global warming has been wrong time and time again and they haven't changed their claims or accepted that they've been wrong. It's not science.

>>129195766
It's artificially created by the elite to melt the ice caps to unleash the beasts from the pit - they just want to pin it on us for further cuckholdry.

>>129203514
citations needed cunt

>>129195766
It is BS.

Even if there was anthropogenic climate change and the EU and US stopped all CO2 emissions, the developing world would continue and it would make shit all difference.

Humans will not save the Earth, ever. We are the only species that does not live in equilibrium with our surroundings. We are consumers, and we use up resources until they are depleted and move. That is the story of human evolution and anything else is just denial.

>>129203737
"On the Absorption and Radiation of Heat by Gases and Vapours, and on the Physical Connexion of Radiation, Absorption and Conduction" by John Tyndall (1861)

"On the Influence of Carbonic Acid in the Air upon the Temperature of the Ground" by Svante Arrhenius (1896)

"The artificial production of carbon dioxide and its influence on temperature" by G. S. Callendar (1938)

>>129203311
What difference does it make? if it's not man-made we should just let shit hit the fan?

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>>129195766
it exists
not a man made phenomena, has been happening since Earth has an atmosphere
we are in an ice age
hotter Earth will result in a humider Earth
CO2 is plant food
overall a warming Earth will result in a greener Earth and food production will increase significantly

>>129204312
>CO2 is plant food
If only deforestation was not a thing...

>>129204015
More CO2 fun facts

CO2 is at very low levels currently

CO2 increases follow temperature increases

Man's contribution to CO2 is so small that any reduction we could make without mass population reduction won't make a measurable difference even if CO2 does cause significant warming.

>>129204789
Aussie education.

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>400 parts per million will destroy us

This image has one million pixels. I randomly colored 400 of them red. Can someone please tell me how 400 molecules of CO2 could possible effect the temperature of the Earth beyond what it would take the most sensitive thermometer in the world to detect.

>>129204885
Ad hominem

logical fallacy

FAIL!

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>>129204789
>CO2 is at very low levels currently

compared to what? The deep past? Sure, but that doesn't mean we wouldn't have to fear any consequences if we were to catapult atmospheric chemistry back millions of years. At those times, temperatures not only were significantly warmer, but sea level was also tens of meters higher than today.

>CO2 increases follow temperature increases
that's only the case for the austral glacial-interglacial cycle. It certainly isn't the case today so I really don't see the point of saying that.

>Man's contribution to CO2 is so small that any reduction we could make without mass population reduction won't make a measurable difference even if CO2 does cause significant warming.

human emissions have raised CO2 concentrations ~40% compared to pre-industrial (1750). That's far from "small", in fact, it's not only 100 times greater the global combined output of Volcanoes, it's also happening at a speed that is unprecedented for at least the entire Cenozoic

>>129204885
If it was happening, which it isn't, warming would be good, we have far more to fear from cooling, which is happening.

>>129195766
>I personally think

There's your problem.

>>129195766
if it is pushed by msm movies and popular culture then it is fake.

>>129205381
>>human emissions have raised CO2 concentrations ~40% compared to pre-industrial (1750). That's far from "small", in fact, it's not only 100 times greater the global combined output of Volcanoes, it's also happening at a speed that is unprecedented for at least the entire Cenozoic

but temperatures don't correlate to the increase

citation needed for your 40% figure which i seriously doubt

It's not hot, it was hotter in the 30's.

Here is this problem no one has ever heard about now give my non profit money to save the insert problem here.

>>129204966
Anybody?

>>129204966
>>129205884
This is just insulting really

>>129206087
what's insulting is to think that such a small percentage of the atmosphere could have a major effect on it

especially when water vapour absorbs pretty much all the available radiation anyway.

>>129204966
The most potent toxin (Botulinum toxin) in the world has an LD50 of 2,6 x 10^-4 microgram per kg.
That means, you need 0.00000000026 gram per kg to kill a human (or 0.0000000208 gram for a 80kg human). Sorry, can't colour it in. Canvas would have one billion pixels for two coloured pixels.

How can this kill me if it is so little?

You see now how your argument doesn't really work that well?

>>129206382
please take some now

>>129206287
>water vapour absorbs pretty much all the available radiation anyway.
Yes...and? What is your point? Do you think this is a good thing?

>>129206382
irrelevant straw man

another logic fail

>>129206382
I think is a neurotoxin that blocks oxygen or nerve signals

>>129206533
s we have to remove all the water vapour from the air now do we?

fucktard.

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>>129205698
>but temperatures don't correlate to the increase

in what way? Both of them are going up

>citation needed for your 40% figure which i seriously doubt
just look up the pre-industrial CO2 concentration (for example: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF02423528) and then look up the present CO2 concentration. After that it becomes little more than a simple math exercise.

>It's not hot, it was hotter in the 30's
demonstrably false (see pic)

what is your response to the papers I cited earlier by the way (Tyndall, Arrhenius, Callendar)?

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>>129197718
>>129198910
>>129200454
>ITT: Assblasted Germans attempt to defend the biggest scam of the century.

I wonder why China and India were going to receive millions from the PCA without having to reduce their emmissions. It couldn't be that international climate policy is designed to funnel massive amounts of money from developed western countries into third world shitholes...

>>129206719
lol the adjusted climate record

it's bogus you idiot

thoroughly debunked.

>>129196842
>Matthew White Ridley, 5th Viscount Ridley DL FRSL FMedSci[3] (born 7 February 1958),[1] commonly known as Matt Ridley, is a British journalist and businessman.
Yea, that's definitely the perfect man with the perfect qualifications to give a lecture on this subject.

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>>129206790
>Muh 97%

>>129195766
First global warming, then climate change, what's next? Gods mood change?

>>129206641
Not at all. Anon wanted to point out that CO2 can't have an effect because there is "so little" of it (note that anon only leapt for the numbers)

I just pointed out that "so little" can do some pretty bad things. It depends on the circumstances.

>>129196756
You guys have svið there too? I thought that was just us.

>>129206719
it's still snowing in Moscow

Cold records being smashed all over the world

More polar ice than ever

They lied about the data

it's not hot.

>>129197034
This

trees convert CO2 to oxygen and we cut trees so we have less oxygen and more CO2 then we release more CO2 by burning oil it's not done by nature and the fact that we keep increasing the emissions and deforestation means that well get fucked eventually the sooner we start reversing it the better. plus with the technology we have its not even an issue.
Only problem is energy storage. Green energy is love

>>129195766
It's obviously real. How much of it is caused by man is the real question.

>>129195766
man made climate change is a hoax

>>129206855
>>129207159

if all you got is "it's a conspiracy by scientists", why are you even asking for sources?
You're basically giving yourself a carde blanche to dismiss any and all of what I could present to you on a whim. So what's the point of even investigating and asking questions? Just proclaim that it's all fake and move on.

>>129207275
no it's not, the planet is cooling rapidly and it's the Sun's low activity level that is causing it.

warming would be good.

it's not as hot as it was during the medieval warm period and humanity flourished during that time

>>129206790
> It couldn't be that ...

This thread is not about how funds are used. It is about whether manmade climate change is real.

You seem to be so upset about the funds thing that you throw out the baby with the bath water.

Just for you: It is actually possible that
a) climate change is real
and
b) the policy for tackling it can be criticized

The climate agenda is basically a tax and wealth redistribution scam. Most climate change is from changes in solar activity. Much of the science has been skewed to fit the agenda

>>129207638
>no it's not, the planet is cooling rapidly and it's the Sun's low activity level that is causing it.
I almost fell out of my chair. Thanks for the giggle mate.

The incalculable amount of variables which factor into climate are impossible for us to comprehend much less measure, disseminate and discern each influence with every other corresponding variable affected. It is closer to chaos than picking out a handful of environmental flags and stating such a blanket explanation as fact.

Even the simplest of processes become near chaotic when examined in ever increasingly smaller scale much less planetary. Improvements in data collection with disregard to localized environmental and topographic variables (changed or underreported), coupled with the sheer amount of data collected for comparison antiquates previous data in scope and methodology.

Climatology is political party, which explains the wildly unreasonable reaction to qualified dissension in peer review, refusal of data sharing and dismissal of the need for reproduction when errors and falsifications are present. If it had remained in the scientific realm, it would still be called Meteorology. That every climatologist concurs, what they were taught and are now teaching is fact, means nothing. Experimenter bias can be attributed to much more than a salary in the prestige of fronting humanity saving research in our dire final hour, receiving awards and accolades and earning a prominent place in the regulatory behemoth established to counter the contrived results before they show no fruition. It might just focus data gathering at predetermined locations of concentrated production of the conformational data required.

The embedded politics are on display when all importance is placed on halting progress and limiting freedoms instead of countering the perceived effects through their own means of collection, disposal, or production of whatever they imagine will balance things out.

If man's influence on climate change was correctly represented as a hypothesis, it would not currently be the basis for the regulatory systems being devised, causing apoplectic opposition to the devastating economic ramifications and repression of civil liberties. Then research with the removal of politics being of foremost prominence in the exclusion of experimental bias would ensure the integrity of the studies and true consensus can be found.

>>129207569
https://www.thenewamerican.com/tech/environment/item/22289-climate-alarmists-have-been-wrong-about-virtually-everything

The predictive power of a theory is the test of it's value

Can you cite a prediction that has come to pass?

>>129195766
it's real, but the paris climate agreement wont do much help on prevent it, it is just some slush fund scheme by elites and globalist.

>>129207935
Let me help you boil down your copypasta:
> it is too complex to understand
> it is only for the munnies

Then, proceed to do some reading on the matter and give some arguments.

Here is where I get lost in my critique of climate change.

Supposedly, the greatest threat to mankind and our way of life is rising water levels destroying coastal metropolitan centres and causing mass migration and destruction.

My understanding of the water cycle goes as follows:
>Water in ocean
>Evaporated into clouds
>Rains down on land and feeds plants and other bullshit
>Washes back into oceans
>Cycle repeats

So this understanding leads me to believe that if the ozone is thinning and the planet is feeling more heat from the sun which is melting the ice caps and causing water levels to increase, the rate of evaporation should also continue to rise at the same rate which should result in a global-tropical-age where the planet is more abundant with food and fresh water rather than a disaster.

I hope that I'm wildly wrong with this statement because if there is any truth to it then everything I've feared about the jews and the left is true.

>>129198091
Wrong, all data clearly shows a massive increase in deserts and savannah.
The only observed gain has been in the russian tundra but that's only superficial, the permafrost is still as widespread as before.
>>129199465
>This so called climate change hoax is a hoax by itself created by corporatist shills.
How fucking cretin can you be? It's the deniers the ones that are sponsored by corporations, not the other way around.
Next you're going to tell me that jews are my friends and only want what's better for me.
>>129201512
You should stop confusing belief with trust.
>>129202410
If you think humans have no effect on the climate maybe you should research Genghis Khan and discover his effect.

>>129208080
https://www.forbes.com/sites/petergleick/2012/02/05/global-warming-has-stopped-how-to-fool-people-using-cherry-picked-climate-data/#5b3d1a712b5c

>>129208786
Let's archive that
https://archive.is/XVt6j

>>129201204
You need to go back further than that!
Let Bill Whittle explain:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=v_RuverrEZ4

>>129208085
This, trumps speech on pulling out was actually very well reasoned and explained. I think alot of people who love the environment would be more likely to side with trump if they read that speech, the paris climate accords really doesnt have much to do with saving the earth

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>>129206719
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>>129206719
Every goddamn time you retards post graphs based on temperature anomaly and front like it shows the actual temperature rise.


What your fucking retard chart doesnt show is the actual temperature, and not only that, its start point is the fucking little ice age.

They deliberately hide the medieval warm period and retards like you just parrot the scam to everyone.


temperature anomaly is a variable they use to create misleading graphs to fit the fraudulent theory.

>>129195766
Humans are effecting the planet for sure but we can't actually prove that it's bad for us. The main thing the climate change fags go on about is co2 increasing in the air and there has been a rise in skin cancers.

My main thoughts are that if lack of trees is an issue due to deforestation, then how have people been able to breath in the desert all these years. As for skin cancer that could be attributed to many things

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>>129208626
sounds good to me except for another type of ice age before the tropical but you cant expect much from canada

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Kill yourself you fucking kraut

man made climate change is the most bluepilled satanic religion out there.

anyone who believes in man made climate change on /pol/ is a blue pilled retard.

>>129209142
> no trees in desert
> how can people live there

That takes the cake. This is so impressively stupid, it warrants some kind of medal.

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>>129208898

the reason these graphs start at 1850/1900 isn't to "hide the medieval warm period", after all, you can read all you want about the MCA in scientific articles that are freely available to anyone.

Do you think the real reason for that starting point might be that it is the time that industrialization actually starts and CO2 concentrations start to diverge from the previously stable millennial levels?

>>129209341
>Getting hotter
>Ice is melting
>Imminent ice age

Just give me one hint on how you came to this conclusion.

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>>129207760
You're only asking 2 questions here pal, the real line of reasoning is

>1: Is climate change real?
Nobody denies this, the climate is changing all the time
>2: Is human activity the primary cause?
This is more dubious as the only major evidence for this is a correlation atmospheric carbon dioxide levels and temperature over the last century (a tiny fraction of Earth's history) as well as a handful of data points taken from readings from million year old ice samples.
>3: How bad is climate change?
Once again, the immediate effects are hard to judge, and predictions made by extrapolating data have been proven false (Al Gore said the ice caps would have melted by now, but the warming slowed down in the beginning of the 2010's).
>4:Can/should government do anything about it?
May seem obnoxiously ancap to some, but not everyone is keen on the idea of immediate government intervention on climate change, especially since they haven't even got past step 2. Policymakers should always be doubted, especially when they're calling for measures that would further centralize their power on a whim.
>5: What should be done?
Pic related (inb4 "Muh Reddit") showing the IPCC estimates of the cost for Australia to cut a small percentage of their emissions Telling a country to commit economic suicide for measures that won't even bring down global temperatures a fraction of a degree.

TL;DR You should worry more about the invasion of refugees in Europe, they'll kill you long before climate change has a chance to.

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>>129208883
There are lots of disadvantages of Trump.
He is old, not very attractive looking.
>compare to Macron, Trudeu, The last Taiwan president Ma, who basically done nothing but sell out their country, still good vote, good support because of muh good look

All MSM, celeb, globalists will fight against him, no matter what he did, even if he prevent a WW3.
>Yeah, maybe he prevent WW3, but 2 fucking scoops!!!

And the globalists reach at every corner, all the colleges leftist brain wash, it all just crazy. What a mad world we are living in.

>>129195766
you need to send 100 billion dollars to china, india, and the EU because theyre developing countries

its not a hoax they deffo need your 100 billions

>>129197715
Reminder that if you support climate change then you also understand the main cause of it is humans ramping up industry in order to accomodate more humans. You realize the true solution to climate change is to have a stable world population instead of throwing band aids on a wound that doesn't heal and gets bigger. You realize that war isn't the worst thing humans can do to fix this.

>>129209546
Russian will benefits from climate change.
Warmer weather will melt away the ice, left them more land to build and farm.

>>129209438
> climate change "satanic religion"

You understand that the top graph is for global temperatures and the one below for Europe?

You also understand that local changes in temperature (local can mean a big place on a global scale) are not the same as global changes?

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>>129209452

Oh look another graph based on temperature anomaly.

How about you show the actual temperature.


temperature anomaly is a bullshit variable they use to make false graphs.

SHOW THE ACTUAL TEMPERATURES

>>129195766
It's real, but not necessarily a bad thing.

A lot of the the negative effects of climate change are greatly exaggerated like
>ocean rises are going to kill tons of people
Oceans rise at like an inch per year...
>massive droughts that are going to kill tons of people.
As the planet gets hotter there is actually higher world wide precipitation
>The faulty drought point then implies there will be massive farming problems
The raise in temps will actually create more areas that can support

The two options are essentially, massive slow down in industry and fucking over the poorest people on the planet by restricting their access to cheap reliable energy, or continue to advance technology and improve living conditions for everyone and technologically advance through any future problems.

The latter is the human route, the former is a scam for rich people to get massive government subsidies to sell their beta version of a sub par product while they pat you on the back and tell you how ur such a good person...

>>129209919
THIS!
All those fucking green energy companies all hoax!
They just benefit from the subsidies by building some low yield shitty tier solar farm, than disband the company after the subsidies run out.
What about the solar farm?
They government will buy it from those companies with tax money!
And most of those companies don't even try to research for a better method for green energy, they just used what are on the market, wait for some genius to pop another better design and buy the copyright!

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>>129209532
its happened before

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>>129209845

No, its highlighting the effect of using temperature anomaly as a variable

its a highly misleading graph. When people see that they think it shows the temperature history of the earth

it doesnt. Theres a reason fucking retards and "believers" use phony scientific methods to peddle their religion.

>>129210278
So you're telling me the planet has a natural defence mechanism to rising sea levels and we will be incased in ice instead of a tropical paradise? I'm not sure i understand senpai.

Every damn climate change graph showing their theory uses temperature anomaly, a misleading variable.

>>129208848
I already saw that video and I'm not impressed. Not only does he get several facts wrong and misrepresents his own graphics, it's also a general rape of paleoclimatology.

If you guys want actually find out things about climatology, why do you always go to these non-expert internet celebrities (Bill Whittle, Christopher Monckton, Patrick Moore,...).
Why can't you just for once take a look at some people who actually study this stuff professionally and publish in this field?
Here I can even give you a short list of names you can look up

James Hansen (NASA GISS)
Carl Mears (RSS)
Zeke Housefather (Berkely Earth)
Veerabhadran Ramanathan (Scripps)
Paul Crutzen (Nobel prize winning atmospheric chemist, Max-Planck Institue for Chemistry)
Dana Royer (Wesleyan)
Eric Rigno (NASA JPL)
Makiko Sato (Columbia)
Stefan Rahmstorf (PIK)

>>129209546
> Nobody denies climate change
Lots of people deny it (last winter was sooooo cold)
> dubious
There we seem to disagree.
> predictions have been proven false (Al Gore)
Climate is complex and there were false predictions, true. Al Gore did say it, but he quoted others. He never said that this was his opinion.
> government would centralize power
A necessity to fight climate change. Corporations / the masses won't do it on their own
> Australia
Cherry-picked example of a minor contributor.

>>129197790
This
Yes climate change is real, but not in the way that everyone says it is. Results are strewed to make it seem like its a bigger deal than what it is.
All in all it is just a way to make money.

>>129204966
A layer of silver just 10 atoms thick can reflect 100% of the received light when applied to a sheet of glass that is 100 million atoms thick - i could draw you a diagram but it would have to be 250 times bigger than yours for the same size of the red pixel.
Luckily this will also show your intelligence level compared to the average human.
>>129206287
So you really have no idea how that works, got it. I sincerely hope you aren't a breeder, we have enough of your kind in Africa.
>>129207159
STOP TAKING WEATHER FOR CLIMATE YOU UTTER CONSERVATIVE!!
>>129208080
So your argument is an article written by a conservative for a conservative site? That's like trusting the Napoleon in the mental asylum to tell you why he has lost the battle of Waterloo.
>>129209438
Hey cretin, do you understand the meaning of the word global?

>>129210516
there is an agenda in the scientific community to cohesively come out for/against something to secure research gibs.

>>129209849
the reason climatologists use anomaly rather than absolute temperatures is because that way the actual long-term trends start to become visible and known mathematical biases can be corrected for.

Why do you want useless & incorrect data so badly?

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personally i believe nature is the strongest law and it will bend move change and eventually bulldoze over anything its had enough of. I do not believe humans have the power to destroy this planet it would eventually just have enough and shake its lands loose or freeze or burn or sink itself clean of the problems and restarts does what it does best and let time pass eventually the sun will die and that is the only true end.

>>129210759
hey retard

do you know how to read variables?


every single damn climate change chart uses a misleading stat in an attempt to lie to people.

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>>129210809
Nice to have some help here.

>>129210809
The reason they use it is because it makes their charts look better to promote their political agenda

its a fraud

>>129195766
I think it's real, but I know for certain that everyone that I've ever seem talk about it on TV has a carbon footprint 100x larger than anyone I know, so fuck them. It's a purely political scam for power and money.

>>129211030
All true.

Does it mean: Let's do what we can to make life miserable for future generations?

I think not.

>>129211062
Hey cretin, the year in which it starts has no importance when we discuss the effect humans have has in the last century compared with the last centuries - the data remains the same.
Who ties your shoes?

>>129211245
The real problem is that anyone you know has a carbon footprint that is too big as well.

>>129211274
>there are miserable suffering people on earth today
>but let's spend billions of dollars to help humans 10000 years from now

>>129202899
It's too politicized though. It's be like if someone dripped incontrovertible proof that aliens were among us, or 9/11 was an inside job, or the holocaust was a hoax.

He'd just be discredited, blackmailed, and ridiculed into obscurity. While also losing his job and any future career.

>>129211388
Oh right, so the fact that they started the graph during the little ICE AGE has no relevance to a warming trend?

You fucking retards are following a new age religion based on fraudulent science and an arrogant neo-priesthood.


History will smile on the USA for standing up to this fraud.

>>129198198
true, this is due to the socialist behaviour of (((ONU))) and similars, rich hate, while china contaminates way more.

>>129211196
>>129210804

that's what it always comes down to, isn't it? A conspiracy theory by evil scientists to trick the world for whatever nefarious purposes.
You're joined in this thinking by flat-earthers, HIV deniers, creationists and anti-Vaxxers.

But the simple cognitive step that seems to be absolutely impossible for all of them, is that the people who actually dedicate their entire life to these studies just might some things that you don't

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>>129210482
>>planet has a natural defence mechanism
its called nature its the law follow it or not it prevails over all.
so yes as the planet gets hot it will NOT slowly cool down it will do it rapidly and it will heat back up slowly *repeat
>>quick and slow measured on earths lifetime not humans years.

>>129197034
Hear, hear

>>129211609
> suffering people
Your argument is? I don't understand.

> 10000 years
Actually, it will affect your children.

>>129211823
just might KNOW some things that you don't

>>129211445
The carbon footprint of Al Gore's house, not counting all his cars and jet trips, just the house, is hundreds of times larger than the average American house.

What the fuck is the king of climate change doing living like that?

Scratch the paint off a green political activist and your find an upper class asshole performing autofellatio.

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>>129195766
Hoax.

>>129211823
kys shill


oh yea, the hundreds of trillions in carbon taxes and global control over every nation....why would anyone fake a theory...

anyone who believes in the c02 theory is a total blue pilled retard.

>>129211940
I agree. Really. And it is a very sad thing to see and it doesn't make me very optimistic.

But: Don't kill the messenger.

>>129210809
dont bother teaching americans, they most believe in (((god))), flat earth and so on...

>>129210213
Exactly. When you folloe the companies that actually get the money you can instantly see that it's a scam.
And that's that not to say that climate change is a hoax, it's just this process of restricting progress and subsidizing scam companies that is a hoax.
This scam has been easily sold through massive psy ops, first getting people to believe that vastly exaggerated predictions are "science", you know the whole 97 percent thing, and then creating a cultural dynamic of believer and denier with the whole "it's science" thing.

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>>129211885
not enough evidence

It's real and unevitable
The only way to fight it would be to colonize afrika reduce the population by 50%, force these faggots to plant trees and nuke india or china
After that we would still need to use clean energy to maintain it.

But instead it's used as an excuse to send money to the 3rd world by jews and leftists and will be used as an excuse after their non-solutions don't work out to import "climate refugees"

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>>129212244
Neck yourself, comrade.

>>129212087
I would agree that fighting carbon emissions harbours abuse of power and also freeloaders.

However, that doesn't mean the theory is wrong.

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>>129211274
believe it or not humans are doing REALLY FUCKING GREAT...yes we might not be doing things PERFECT but we are doing 100x BETTER than just 100 years ago.
>>relax friendo
honestly you are missing the point of agreeing with me and saying TRUE BUTTTT if its true then you know those fucks that hurt the earth and those on it will have the exact same fate as you and i ...start living ur life ..earth has UR back you can be a COOL GUY and recycle and care2.com stuff but its for you . its not for earth. you have no impact on earth. you only have impact on ur life. have a goal maybe try to become the person you wish you were dont worry about earth or how sucky things are compared to yesterday

>>129212422
https://www.skepticalscience.com/climate-models.htm

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>>129212145

Climate science is in its infancy and you arrogant retards think man controls earths climate? They have zero understanding of the long term cycles, or any of the 100s of variables involved. They cant explain most of earths climate history yet they have the gall to demand everyone pay hundreds of trillions to their organizations? Its not science, they've gotten caught editing their data, and they silence and defund any scientists who dont go along with it.

Man controls the climate? talk about the most narcissistic garbage in the world. Theres a reason you need to "believe" in climate change, and thats because its a religion for leftist retards.

>>129212441
nuking India or China would actually deplete ozone globally through the creation of NOx and aerosol-induced stratospheric heating for several decades

>>129195766
The earth(overall) is warming, that's already a fact.

What is not a fact and is not proven is the man made theory

Not a hoax exactly (I believe the greenhouse effect is real, for example) but there are people who will lie in service of the cause because they think people aren't alarmed enough about AGW. Yes I know there are people also paid to fight against global warming """consensus""".
Most proposed fixes are kikery, e.g. wealth redistribution from energy producers in the form of carbon taxes or funding from wealthy countries a la Paris treaty.
Nuclear works but is politically impossible in cucked countries.

Get solar energy (photovoltaics) down to the point where there's a 3 year ROI, instead of 25 years like it is now, and everyone will use it. I have trouble believing any significant amount of people will install Musk's roof tile system because that's about how long they predict it will take to pay for itself.

>>129212447
image kek
>comrade
wew lad, your reasoning is so /the_donald/
>le russians generate all the bad because (((US media))) said so xD lol

The climate is changing, but it is no where near as serious as the butthurt lefties are making it out to be

>>129195766
that picture is retarded

if it ever got hot enough for most of the water to evaporate the entire planet would be covered in clouds and the temperature would plummet

>>129211713
No, it doesn't , because anyone with a working brain can observe a clear and definite exponential acceleration of the growth in the last 100 year. But i understand why you aren't mentally able to see what's obvious to everyone else - you're a cretin.
>>129211940
How do you know that? No, just you live in something that here in Romania has been deemed as unfit for human or animal habitation - yes, american built homes have been deemed unfit for use as chicken coops - that doesn't mean he has your living arrangements.
For fucks sake, an entire apartment building here that has been recently insulated will have a lower energetic footprint than your ''house'' alone.

>>129212489
the theory is wrong, it falsely attributes natural climate cycles with c02. The IPCC was created with the mission that they prove man was influencing the climate. Their entire scientific theory was founded on an effort to link mankind with changes in the climate. That is the opposite of science. It comes to no surprise that the IPCC got caught falsifying data to hide the fact that their theory was wrong. Too much money was involved. They arent practicing the scientific methods when it comes to climate change, formerly known as global warming.

Not only that, but they got nations to treat c02 like a pollutant, when its actually hugely beneficial to life on this planet.

>>129212661
There are enough examples of societies self-destructing because they exploited their natural resources.
This happened in confined areas because there weren't enough humans to do it on a global scale.

This is different today.

We don't think man "controls" climate. It is exactly the opposite. We have lifted the lid on Pandora's box and we have to close it again.

> religion

See:
>>129200597

>>129195766
Climate change is real. I mean, not all summers and winters are equal, right?
Global warming is a controversial issue: while some scientists believe on that, others don't. Most of their proofs have such a technical explaination that I prefer to say that I don't know. But
>Global warming is caused by humans
lol no. It overweights our importance. We don't have only rotation and translation, but several other movements, like rotation to Via Lactea center, Via Lactea movement through Universe itself, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI

>>129213043
Thats because retards like you keep peddling temperature anomaly graphs and every time it produces a huge spike and hides historical temperatures. Those graphs arent showing you actual warming trends or real temperature data.

its propaganda and you fell for it.

>>129213144
The theories and articles that point to anthropogenic climate change predate the IPCC.

>>129213401
You really are beyond help - you refuse to see what's in front of your eyes and everyone else sees clear as day.
You're the perfect example of cognitive dissonance.

>>129211885
I didn't know AL gore moved to germany

>>129210638
>Last winter was so cold lol
You can't say that the world is getting hotter, but then turn around and say that cold winters aren't contrary to your hypothesis. In this instance climate change alarmism is coming under fire as the noticeable effects are not present.
>We seem to disagree
In that you believe that correlation immediately equals causation because some guy living off government research grants says it does.
>There were false predictions
When your predictions are being proven wrong for half a decade (the "Pause" as they call it), it may be time to revise your initial hypothesis.
>Necessity to fight climate change
Right, and when Obama told you that your energy prices would "necessarily skyrocket" you were all on board with it? Having full faith in the government when they don't have your best interests in mind is a dangerous thing. All politicians are in it to be reelected, no exceptions.
>Cherry-picked example
Right, only the single most impactful climate policy ever proposed, that was shown to be a complete scam and would destroy the whole country...but it's totally insignificant. So you believe that if the US were to do the same thing then it would be all sunshine and roses?

Get back to prepping the bull and destroying Europe.

>>129212765
A small price to pay

>>129212659
this was in the comments.
http://www.itia.ntua.gr/getfile/850/3/documents/2008EGU_ClimatePredictionPrSm.pdf

>>129213246
>>129200597
>The difference to religion:
>Theories are tested. If they don't hold up they
>- are refined
>- are discarded

Like people dont get called DENIERS DENIERS like the inquisition. Calling someone a denier is the same as calling them a heretic. Thats how you know this farce is not scientific and is religious.

So when the temperature data has plateaued for 20 years did they refine their theory?

Do people in the scientific community allow skepticism or criticism of the theory? No, they call them deniers and ostracize them.

Remember, science is about abandoning theories when they dont hold up to their predictions. Is that why it is now called climate change, instead of global warming? Notice how the core villain, c02 and mankind, didnt change.

>>129213691
and you're a religious nut and you dont realize it

we arent going to pay carbon tithes to your cult

>>129195766
It's not that climate change isn't real, it's that it's not caused by humans. It's a natural shift in the earth's temperature, like the ice age.

>>129213364
>lol no
Carbon taxation and carbon trading schemes have been around for some time and the cancer is spreading to all nations. As this life tithe grows it can only enrich and empower totalitarian governments and their revolving door international fascist corporate partners. Laugh it up but its really the beginning of the end, these new age religions are all business and refined over the centuries. Why your disgusting Jesuit Pope is leading the warming cult along with his billion minions in all corners.

>>129197408
Faggot
https://youtu.be/Pm8msUaTqnU

>>129214066
> cold winters
Climate vs. weather. Learn the difference.
> believe a scientist
Of course
> because government funding
It is not one government, it is a global community of scientists working in a fuckton of countries
> Pause
Pause is a meme
See >>129208786
> skyrocketing energy prices
Energy needs a sustainable price. The ((((market)))) obviously can't do it.
> example
I was referring to the impact Australia as a minor contributor can have when reducing CO2. That is why we need a global approach. I am quite sure you understood that but willfully ignored it.

>>129214066
>You can't say that the world is getting hotter, but then turn around and say that cold winters aren't contrary to your hypothesis.
This just proves to me, that every climate change denier has no idea what they're talking about.

>>129195766
the PBL Netherlands Environmental Assessment Agency conducted a survey in 2015 that found that only 43 percent of climate scientists believe in man-made climate change.
Earth hasnt warmed in 19 years:
http://www.dailywire.com/news/16154/global-quackery-earth-has-not-warmed-past-19-years-joseph-curl

>>129214739
have you ever heard of the pigeon experiment? They dropped a seed pellet at random intervals to some pigeons. Whatever the pigeons were doing at the time they thought CAUSED the pellet to drop and so kept repeating the action which they thought led to the pellet dropping. Of course the pellets were just dropping randomly and had nothing to do with what the pigeons were doing. It's basically the same with climate change - surely it's something we are doing? right? What if it would just be doing this anyway and we are just passing through?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uPmeWiFTIw

>>129215912
This is from their actual homepage
http://www.pbl.nl/en/faq-for-the-article-scientists-views-about-attribution-of-global-warming

They give a number of 90% of agreement for manmade greenhouse gasses being a major factor in climate change.

I'd rather stick to the source than your murky article.

>>129216281
You are saying you are a pigeon?

>>129214739
>Climate vs. weather
Also for>>129215450
It's getting hotter=climate change, it's getting colder=climate change. Totally not a religion
>German believing a (((scientist))) bought off by the ZOG
Seems legit
>Pause is a meme
Right, because scientists weren't wrong for half a decade... also (((Forbes)))
>The market can't do it
Right, so when Obama proposed policy to reduce the supply of oil while the demand was still high, he was just creating a sustainable price. Quick rundown on how the market works: You (as in, your electric company) want electricity. Oil companies can provide lots of it for super cheap. (((Green Energy)) companies can't produce as much as reliably, and it will cost more. Who are you going to buy from?
>We need a global approach
China and India are not going to shoot themselves in the foot by reducing their heavily fossil fuel reliant industry. They are going to do what they always do, say they'll reduce emissions, don't actually do it, and then take the gibs from the rest of the world while they build their economy. To believe that the 2 biggest contributors to """""greenhouse gases""""" are going to cooperate with a nonbinding agreement is delusional.

>>129195766
I dont deny climate change. I am skeptical about anthropogenic climate change.

>>129217037
actually I was implying you were! my point is that the climate is a complex system with loads of variables and we don't have the ability to predict anything accurately. It's human nature to believe that we are causing changes to the climate but until we know more I don't think we can say that.

>>129210759
top kek

what an autard

muh weather isn't climate

keep em comin' I could do with a laugh

Still waiting on that prediction that has come to pass.

Ice free arctic by 2014?
Snow is a thing of the past?

>>129195766
Climate denial is an oil jew sponsored hoax

>>129220115
Well its not like we havent done anything since that prediction to curb emissions

>>129221046
but it's the hottest year on record isn't it?

>>129221046
pretty sure emissions have continued to increase still.