CATALONIA INDEPENDENCE REFERENDUM IN OCTOBER

>>129194648
Oh yes... Like the one they did in 2014.. I'm so scared *big yawn*

>>129194648

How does this effect the EU? Are they automatically in or out? Will they be recognized as a sovereign nation?

Fuck someone educate me on this please.

>>129194648
Let them go. Who the fuck wants them.

>>129195042

I know you should be bankrupt without them, right?

>>129194648
It won't happen. Screencap this.

>>129195041
They would be out, and most likely would never get in.

>/pol/ supports a independent catalonia
Why? they are ultra cucks and communists. They organized a massive protest against Spain because we didn't take refugees.
>>129195101
>People still believing this
They are the most indebted region in Spain by far.

>>129195101
They are literally paying them money to stay in the country.

>>129195225

Who cares what they are. Aren't the richest part? That is what matters.

Good luck on your freedom Catalonia!

>>129195101
We're the ones giving them money for their mudslime population

>>129195041
They will be out and to get in you need the aproval of every single member including spain.

aka they will never get in

>>129194648
bump

>>129195101
Kek, keep believing that.

>>129194985
>>129195042
>>129195108
>>129195184
>>129195225
>>129195484
So no more FC Barcelona?

>>129195041
Out
These faggots >>129195184
Will always veto their entry

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>>129195437
You should not talk about things you have no fuckin idea, nigger

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If you Eastern hemisphere spics don't have tanks rolling into Catalonia in order to keep your clay, you will be bigger pussies than the French.

HAHAHA EU BTFO

Meanwhile our Scotland has become based again. Best timeline.

Let them go, Spain.

>>129194648
As a catalan citizen, I'm so sick and tired of this shit. VIVA ESPAÑA.

>>129194648
>Barcelona can't compete in La Liga anymore

I can't wait.

>>129194648
I read California at first... Sigh

Aren't the Catalonians commie scum?

>>129195737
Cataluña wants to join the EU

>>129194648
>exit US
>open borders
>US sets tariffs and on everything you produce and on every company that stays with you
>90% of companies flee
>go bankrupt
>get infested with drugs and cartels
>poverty, crime and destruction
>dead commies
You should vote Yes.

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gay-ass scatalans won't do shit

>>129195436

They are the richest part because they are part of Spain, the day they leave some other province will take its place.

>>129196158
They're pro EU, pro immigration and pro muslims. They're literally begging us to take more refugees.

>>129196158
i wouldn't say commie more like very liberal trash

economically they're the penny pincher zone of spain

>>129195677
Neither should you juanjo manolo de la villa

>>129194648
It will be nothing.

>>129196433
I agree, but then again we'd still have Barcelona and its tourism money.

Can somebody give me a quick rundown on why Spain is basically five or six different countries pretending to be one?

>>129195484
Hahahhaha.

It's funny, they say we are the problem but are fine with having all south Spain with an unemployment of +40%. Spain deserves to disolve, most retarded country in Europe

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>>129194648
Good, let's do this. I love a more split up Europe!

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>>129194648
Okay.

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>>129196949
>No united Crown of Aragon
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>129194648
Oh wow it's this shit again...
interdasting
Catalonians can complain as much as they want about muh language and muh identity, but they are by far the most cucked region in Spain full of moors and gipsies
t. traveler

During Sagrada Familia construction?

I'm not so sure about this.

>>129197579
Just as Basques did for 40 years until they shutted up. Cucktalans think we are going give them anything.

>>129194648
Not even the Spanish want to be in Spain

>>129195995
You must be one of the few over there with this mentality.
Did a year Erasmus there and literally everyone was trying to throw their shit independencia propaganda on me

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>>129194648
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH

what are you gonna do about it, you absolute cucks?

>>129198077
Not give you anything.

>>129196913
Because of faggot politicians pandering to the lowest and most retarded people in society... like what politicians do in your country with black and Latino communities basically

>>129198203
good, we will become independent and take our cash with us, you can deal with the southern useless moors on your own KEK


CATALONIA SWITZERLAND OF THE MEDITERRANEAN

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>>129194648
>split into two countries
>double the EU gibs

>>129196949
Why the fuck is germany till so big here
where the fuck is my duchy of burgundy

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>>129198077
nothing, because nothing will happen jordi

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>>129198338
Sure

>>129195436

third, behind Madrid and Basque Country

>>129196913
A series of political marriages about 500 years ago
Play crusader kings

>>129198289
Blacks and Latinos don't think they deserve their own country though.

Why does nobody just want to be Spanish?

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Didn't the Spanish government tell them years ago if there was ever a successful leave vote it would be nulled and they dont have to even honor it?

>>129194648
motherfucker I keep scrolling past this image and reading "California"

>>129198683
Catalan is closer to french than spanish

Good. Fuck Spain.

Gibraltar-Catalonia union when?

>>129198776
wtf i hate Catalan now.

>>129198028
exactly shit and propaganda, is not a true feeling among population is just that shit propaganda

>>129198776
>burger education

>>129198687
Yes.

>>129198388
>Cataluña es identidad hispánica
Then why isn't Catalan an official language moron? Stop pretending Spain is Hispania or some sort of Iberian union, it's just greater Castile.

>>129198687
Yes. They've actually voted several times already.

>>129198705
One day friendo. One day that nation crippling disease called California will leave.

>>129198338
> Switzerland of the mediterranean

keep dreaming faggot

>>129198952
>not a true feeling among population
Fucking hell mate half the population is obsessed with it. Probably no longer a majority though.

>vote yes
>move to Arizona
Thank me later bros

>>129198879
Scotland Independent when? Northern Ireland joining Ireland when? Falklands becoming Las Malvinas when?

>>129194648
>it's literally fucking nothing

>>129198991
It's official in Catalonia.

>>129195225
I just find secessionist movements interesting.

>>129199170
Yeah, and so is C*stilian.

>>129196949
murcia by its own wouldnt even be able to survive

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>>129195646
I hope so

t. Halal

>>129199229
Your point being?

>>129195225
>Why? they are ultra cucks and communists. They organized a massive protest against Spain because we didn't take refugees.
Then wouldn't it be a good idea to separate from the?

>>129199193
there are tons of them in europe
maybe america will balkanize?

>>129199311
If Spain is really the Union of Iberian Nations and Castilian is official everywhere, why are not the other languages official everywhere? Can't you see the fallacy in your argument?

>>129196913
>Spanish kingdoms conquer and marry each other.
>Eventually two big ones left, Castille and Aragon.
>Rulers marry and Castile absorbs Aragon.

>>129199229
well when people speaks two languages in one region both of them tend to be official dont be butthurt becouse the catholic kings wanted to implement castilian in very single region of spain

>>129194648
pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede pls secede

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>mfw Castilla y León
>mfw Catalans call me a moor when they have more mudshits than Morocco.

>>129199512
well in La Rioja none is able to speak catalonian or basque why should it be official, in Catalonia everyone can speak both catalonian and castilian why shoudlnt both of it be offitial?

>>129199512
Because castilian is spoken everywhere in Spain but the other languages aren't. Quite simple.

>>129199512
Spain should be a federation tbqh

>>129199562
>the catholic kings wanted to implement castilian in very single region of spain
????? This only happened during the Liberal period (with Isabel II) and Castilian only arrived here with immigrants. People didn't even speak it until it became the school language in the 1920s and even then the majority didn't understand it.

>>129199832
t. Pedro

spain should be one, great and free and without catalonia

>>129199039
lol whats even the point then?

>>129196949
>Dat Kainuu

Literally wtf, Hans? That's like the most inbred region in Finland.

>>129195184
spain you need to take one for the team here and meme catalonia independent so we can weaken the eu

>>129199819
>>129199707
>castilian is spoken everywhere in Spain
That's the point Manolo, Spain is Castile, don't claim it's Iberia or Hispania.

>>129199832
But it isn't and will never be Juan

>>129199940
Demanding more shekels.
>>129199908
t. Jordi trying to baiting me into supporting Catalan independence.

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when are you aragonese and valencian cucks learning catalan so we can make the crown of aragon great again?

>>129199940
None, just wasting time and money.

>>129199940
None. Nowadays Catalonia is an international zone at best. Everywhere is like London, even the villages.

>>129198611
Why are the non-castillian parts of spain the richest, what is it about northern spain that makes them richer? Is it lack of moor dna?

>>129200257
Is the language that different?

>>129200257
The Aragonese should learn Aragonese though.

>>129200257
We already learn it in Valencia.

>>129194648
Pls be true. I think they're just doing it for notoriety though.
Allow only people born in Catalonia to vote in the referendum and we win 100% sure. Too bad all politicians are cowards.

>>129200368
Like Portuguese and Castilian more or less.

>>129198683
https://youtu.be/sjoHOSFBgt8
Because Spanish is not a real thing

>>129200368
from spanish? yes
>>129200408
>aragonese
lol
>>129200431
no one speaks it though

>>129200350
Because Franco focused the industry in the Med coast, Madrid and Vasconia. Don't start making meme assumptions, you fucking leaf.

Why don't we make Spain a republic?

>>129200368
It's probably drifted closer to Castilian Spanish over the years of the union, but it's roughly equivalent to the difference between Portuguese and Spanish, i.e. relatively mutually intelligible.

>>129199154
Well, Scotland already had a vote and they said no, and the Falklands is sovereign as well as never settled by Argentinians. Northern Ireland is an ongoing debate.

Hope I've helped :)

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>>129194648
mfw misread as
>California will hold a self-determination referendum on October 1st.

>>129200550
For a good reason.

>>129200257
lul, catalonian has never been spoken in aragon

>When is aragon learning catalonian?

Catalonia wasnt even a kingdom or a country just a bunch of county that share same language

>>129196158
More like shitskins trying to get the citizenship.

>>129200647
DELET
>>129200706
I don't care, fucking learn it and submit to barcelona like good fucking cucks you are

aragon is a shithole anyway except the north

>>129194648

When will this meme end?

>>129195225
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>>129195563
Deluded spaniggers. If Catalonia is so bad for Spain's economy then who pays the bills? Andalusia, Galicia? Top kek

>>129194648
Why are so many Catalans unbearable cunts?

>>129199832
Your Constitution literally forbids that
>>129200505

>>129196043
Same

>>129200368
you perfectly understand a catalonian speaking without translation or any difficulty i think the years speaking castilian has soften the differences, so its not a big deal,

>>129200505
>Canada
>Real country.

:^)

>>129196158
Wtf I hate Catalonia now.

>>129200870
that's why you inbred castillians always need subtitles on tv when someone speaks catalan

>>129200431
>Valencia was a kingdom
>Catalonia was never
>catalonians still think they are better than valentians

>>129200706
Never heard about LAPAO?

>>129200979
Because Catalan sounds like someone guzzling cum. Valencian is more understandable

>>129200926
>canada
>real country
I know don't remind me. The day of the rake can not come soon enough. When we shitpost it is really us just crying out for help and escape from this living nightmare that is Trudeau-Wynnetopia

>>129200825
From my experience Galician girls are best girls, is this true?

>>129200596
So did Catalonia you moron.

>>129196445
Why doesn't anyone just go to war with them and fuck them up? Surely a people that stupid shouldn't be allowed to live.

>>129201005
>valencia
>ugly desert
>shit paellas
>retarded accent
>full of moors and canis
>valencians look like moors anyway
>only valuable as a cheap tourist resort

Globalists are destoying every country in europe. They need small countries, unable to stand on their own feet, so they will have to go unto EU and bow down to globalists in Brussel. They will have to accept EU army and every law they tell them. Great britain will be split up. Scotland to be first. Catalonia is just one part. There will come more. Look what they did to Yugoslavia and Chehoslovakia they will do to Poland and France and eventually Germany as well.

>>129200827
/thread

>>129201005
Valencia has always been better. Valencia even became the capital once.

>>129201207
Yes I know, what's your point?

>>129201005
The kings of the crown of Aragon were catalans you dumb ignorant.
And Valencia was created because catalans recovered it from the muslims and settled it with their people. They're our rapebabies.

>>129201219
>t. Mehmet Al'Pakistani
Quintescentially Catalan amirite?

>>129200870
Depends on the dialect. People of B*rcelona speaks a mix of Castilian and Catalan that is cringeworthy as fuck. They even pronunce the initial j like an i and use many Castilian words and expressions. The best dialect is the one in the West and in the North. Balearic is also nice but has more arabic words.

>>129196384
There wont be a referendum, he just said it will be at 1 october, BUT didnt sign anything. At this stage is as true as your comrades hacking US elections.

SPANISH CIVIL WAR WHEN

>>129196158
yes. The supporters of Catalan independence are a bunch of leftist faggots who think they're fighting evil "fascist" Spain.
It's actually funny to see /pol/ supporting them

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It's the fucking Catalonia Wine Mixer

>>129201430
what the fuck are you talking about?
the dialect in the province of barcelona is the purest and nicest, all other catalans should learn it

we also pronounce j like the french do, you've probably never even been here moor

>>129201314
Wasn't Aragon ruled by Jimenas, d'Ivreas, and de Trastamaras?

>>129201130
>Valencian is more understandable
You literally sound like Andalusians.

i read that as California

>>129201506
The anarchists won't make it out alive

>>129201684
Just like the last time.

>>129201613
>the dialect in the province of barcelona is the purest and nicest
Literally neck yourself Jordi. Or should I say iordi?

>>129195225
We just crushed all our secessionist movements in one election, I know how painful it is to watch them gain power.

But I want you to feel that pain because of how your politicians are trying to fuck us over in Gibraltar

>>129201808
>Or should I say iordi

the only people who pronounce J like I are you shitskin andalusian immigrants

it's literally pronounced like in french

>>129194648
Nope it wont happen this time, central goverment warned them. I tell you what will happen, one week before the referendum the poilice will imprision everyone thats pushing for it.

And then one year later the US market will colapse bringing to us the bigest financial crisis ever seen consecuently Rajoy will lose popularity and two years later Podemos+PSOE will win new elections and push their comunist shit onto spain creating a big divide that will give fuel to a civil war.

>>129201884
>how your politicians are trying to fuck us over in Gibraltar
??????

>>129201971
>it's literally pronounced like in french
Like this /ʒ/, and you say /i/. Barcelona is lost.

>>129201186
No idea really. Depends on what you think best is.
For me catalan girls are the best because of beauty, brains and demeanour.

>>129201624
Aragon alone yes, but when the crown was founded the kings were from the House of Barcelona, hence of catalan origin in its paternal lineage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Aragonese_monarchs

>>129201186
I have a fetish for Galician girls. Their accent make muh dicc go hard.

>>129202117
t. never stepped foot in barcelona

>>129201186
Yes, they are all qts. Way better than those SJWs in Catalonia.

>>129201613
>the dialect in the province of barcelona is the purest and nicest
Literally what. It's the most corrupted because of castilian influence.
Ever heard Marc Márquez speak? He speaks the occidental dialect of catalan (the most similar to spanish) and yet his accent is much more catalan than what you hear in Barcelona.

>>129194648
Didn't they just have one?

>>129202444
>Marc Márquez
>Márquez

when I say barcelona I mean province and not city

eastern catalan is the best only because it's the most educated sounding, like english in southern england

>>129202130
Interesting. Thanks for the link.

>>129202528
It happens in Scotland too. They take the oportunity to do it any way they can.

>>129202424
kek she worked in barcelona, she got mad at me for saying some shit about Muslims. But she just kind of accepted it. She didn't want to say it but she hated them too, wouldn't even go in the muslim part of barcelona.
>>129202268
this girl had a really cute innocent english accent.

>>129202377
And hopefully I never will. last time I went there I almost beat up a half nigger-gypsy mongrel trying to give me some paper. I don't want to end up in jail by the hand of your tolerant mayor.

>>129202595
>educated sounding
Come on, accept it is half andalusian nowadays. Balearic is the best soundling one.

>ReMad vs Barcelona will become an international poverty ball match in your lifetime

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>>129203098
>balearic

fuck off island nigger

the catalan in the province of barcelona is literally the least spanish sounding, it has the most vocalic sounds and the most different pronunciation

>>129194648
I want the tanks to come to Catalonia, I want to become a refugee and migrate somewhere else, far away from this shithole of a cuntry that is sPain

>>129202595
Well further up north in the province of Barcelona catalan sounds much more like in Girona than in bcn city.
t. i'm originally from Osona now living in bcn

>>129194648
This is about slavery, right?

>>129203555
el millor català es parla al maresme òbviament

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>>129196445

>>129194648

Fucking cucked hipster fucks. They presume of their french culture, their advanced society (despite they don't want to be solidary with other communities) and pantumaca, but in the end all this separatist movement is done for the money out of brainwashed dummies done by this ((nationalism))

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>>129194648
Lol fuck them

They are fucking commies.Remember when they held a 200k faggot protest to support the refugee.

Good riddance.I hope Spain will invade them after

>>129203763
Mon negre

>>129194648
They wouldn't last a month without turning into a caliphate

>>129195437
Thank you! Most of the Spanish citizens hates Catalonian ppl for no reason, they don't fucking understand.

>>129198952
Feels good to live in french catalonia where no one, except spaniards coming here to protest, gives a shit about independance

>>129196412
Top tier flag, making fags crying just by showing it

>>129195677
Shut up, you are just one of those ignorants who doesn't know a shit about this, you just hate Catalonia

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>>129204090
I'd rather be a caliphate than be a poor moorish shithole like por-

oh wait it's the same thing

Make sure you lads all open bank accounts outside Spain.

>>129194648
Sounds like another shitty little state that will rake up tons of debt.

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>>129200825
>Who pays the bills?

Barcelona and the Camp of Tarragona the rest is literally Albania tier.
t.Tired of dumb plebs.

>>129196949
>Wessex doesn't contain cornwall and devon as their rightful slave-cast
Shit map/10

>>129204160
My parents went to Roussillon not too long ago and the saw lots of Independence flags.

>>129204096

We hate catalonian people, or does catalonian people hates Spain because of their brainwash?
Think of the roots of the problem, we are not the ones that wants to separate.

>>129204582

You drink Cava, faggot?

>>129194985
yeah, its probably going to be No.

>>129204527
It's just for the sake of cultural link, feeling catalan, not actual independance, only a very tiny few people wants it and they aren't more wanting autonomy

It's mainly because people were angry that the new region didn't have catalonia in its name that there was a few flags, but no it's not that many, I can only recall having seen just a few on official buildings and a store like usually for decades

>>129194648
cool, I hope they see the benefits in staying together rather then following a old struggle started by long dead man.

>>129196949
>No independent Utrecht and Holland.

Try harder.

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>>129204344
This is exactly why no one likes you, least of all yourselves.

>>129194648

Not gonna happen, fuck off.

>>129204479
what? tarragona is literally irrelevant
all the money comes from the barcelonès, vallès and baix llobregat

(the places stuck next to barcelona)

>>129203474
No. Balearic has. I wish I was an island nigger.

>>129204813
>a kraut

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I bet after the independence this numbers will go higher

>>129204952
nothing sounds more absolutely disgusting than a deep balearic farmer accent

>>129204096
From my point of view (living in french catalonia) it's the catalans that hate spain while spanish people doesn't really have any feelings toward catalonia

Dude you are just chimping out for decades but you are way more autonomous than a lot of regions in the world, even in Europe. For instance there is no autonomy and even less cultural autonomy in France, go live here and you'll see what it is to really have a government that wants to suppress you and you will realise that your whole movement is just memetic

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Can you Spainons take back Florida? I'm not enjoying the yankee government.

>>129204886
They act like the french. I don't understand why people on /pol/ support them

Is there a wine mixer involved?
Free salad dressing?

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>>129196949
a german supports bordergore, this is really surprising

>>129194985
>80% voted yes
so why aren't they independent?

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>>129205156
I'm not gonna lie, I really want the roselló back

when we are independent will you consider joining pls?

>>129205215
Chaos

>>129205299
because it's just for the lulz their politicians don't want independance, just have some thrill and spanish money in their pocket at the end of the month, it's also really useful to use the catalan patriotism to easily win an election

We currently have legislative elections in french and all of my candidates are shilling hard for the catalan identity even if they don't give two shit about it the rest of the year

>>129205215
>They act like the french
Don't insult me Felipe

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>>129204948

That's right, my bad.

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>>129205156

Don't talk too much about it, we don't want to make Catalans and Walloons wary of us when we will annex them.

When the time come, we will make France great again.

>>129198687
>>129198981
>>129199039

Yes, Catalonia voted, but those who organized it are being juged. "We are free, we can vote, we live in a democracy" HAHA ofc...

THEY WON'T LET PPL VOTE, Spain is governed by thieves, and those fucking retards keep voting the same ppl... Catalonia doesn't want to be involved with that shit, Spain is ruining itself.

>>129205156
>there is no autonomy and even less cultural autonomy in France
Because the frenchy faggots are a bunch of (((jacobine))) faggots.

>>129205423
Hell no I'm french first

You know we don't care about independance here, less than 1% of the population wants it, everyone else just want to be french and if possible having the culture recognized and more present, that's all

You vote what you vote everything will remain the same

Ahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahaahhaahhahahahhahahahhahahah

Viva la espanya they said

>>129205555
kek this fits with my experience travelling around catalonia, desu the countryside in castille for example is in better state than ours. our countryside is also filled with arabs though

>>129205619
I'm having a patriotic boner seeing the left bank being french, is that normal ?

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>>129205555
No bully pls, we wuz minerz

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>>129205733
This, my town is small and yet full of shit.

>>129204160
I bet you're an spanish immigrant so fuck you nigger. If you're really catalan then fuck you too traitor.
So sad, Rosselló is actually the cradle of the catalan nation.

>>129204479
Actually Lleida has the highest PIB/capita of Catalonia. You may think it's only old people and farmers living there (and it's true) but is it is also the least invaded by subhuman castilians.

>>129205156
I've been bullied for just being from Catalonia, when you live there you see what's really happening

>>129205673
why are the french so effective at supressing cultures?
half the country spoke occitan and now no one knows it

>>129196949
everyone is divided except Ireland.

>>129205767

It's not even normal: it's perfectly natural. The krauts will beg for it, one day or another.

>>129205115
At least admit the v sound is nice.

>>129205985
Nope, I don't have a single spanish blood in me and for your own culture the spanish immigrants are the only one shilling for the catalan identity and independance here

>>129206020
I've been bullied because I don't speak catalan and my family isn't from here even if they all wanted to integrate so hard they even pretended to be actual catalans

>>129206039
Occitan didn't existed at a whole firstly. It was easy to do it because the revolution destroyed every institutions that defended harshly the particularisms (especially the parliaments that were a real pain in the ass of the monarchy). The revolution also shilled hard for the french identity, us versus everyone else and crushed the movements wanting a federal republic.

A few decades after that we just had to proclaim that french is the only spoken language at school, beating the children for speaking another language than french at school. And since french was with the industrial revolution the only language at work and a lot of people migrated to the big cities for work the languages disappeared almost completely

>>129204684

I drink sidra, la puta que te parió

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>>129206277
Your digits may give us a hint, it will happen at some point, praise Kek

>>129194648
What are the chances the government will industrialize Castilla y León? This place is like living in the fucking 1920s

>>129205492
this, we had the same thing here
idk about spain but in qc the independence vote is split across 3 parties, 1 big (PQ) 2 small (ON, QS)

the PQ is the only party that will ever stand a chance at winning but last time they did they won on a mandate that pissed everyone who wasnt a commie student off (unrelated to independence) and then tried to ram independence down our throats (which pissed a lot of people off) and they dont want independence anyway because theyre run by a bunch of rich elites who thrive off Canadian gibs & economic access

they are pretty much guaranteed the fair share of separatist votes tho, just like the PLQ gets the majority of the anglo vote, there's just no one else to vote for

>>129206593
>I don't speak catalan and my family isn't from here
Back to le picardie François.

>>129206718
Keep dreaming frenchy faggot. You will be an islamic caliphate even faster than us (which is saying a lot). Also remember 1871 frenchy.

>>129206965
what are the main political parties of Quebec and their popularity ? I don't know it at all

>>129206593
>A few decades after that we just had to proclaim that french is the only spoken language at school, beating the children for speaking another language than french at school. And since french was with the industrial revolution the only language at work and a lot of people migrated to the big cities for work the languages disappeared almost completely
god this brings a tear of joy to my eye

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>>129207087
seeing how is spanish catalonia especially cities like Figueras you will end up like Congo before we will start a caliphate

>>129207075
See ? You are the very proof of what I lived, every spanish catalan living in France I met acted like you, being bitter and agressive for no reasons. You act like champions of ultranationalism toward white people because you know we are too civilized to answer to your chimping outs but towards arabs and niggers you are hiding below your beds and you suddendly forget everything about nationalism. You are just a bunch of loud mouth cowards

>>129206833
According one friend there're two options:
- Morocco turns into a developed country. NOT gonna happen.
- Convince the rural population of Andalusia to repopulate this land. (They're the most reluctant pop to migrate, instead they live by the state)

>>129207682
Well said, Pierre. Catalans are literally arrogant fucks and the jews of Iberia. They don't have the ability to fucking think why they are doing what they are doing.

>>129207682
>you will end up like Congo before we will start a caliphate
I know, but as you said you will become a caliphate not an empire.

when i was in spain years ago I got handed a secessionist pamphlet while meandering about in Barcelona

never did get it translated, should prolly do that

>>129208005
>You call us kikes
>You are the ones trying to destroy our nation and culture using kike tactics like flooding the country with subhumans
Oh, the irony.

I just got back from Spain and I couldn't help but notice that there were a lot more gypsies and shitskins in Barcelona than there were in Madrid.

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>>129208164
>OY VEY, MUH CATALAN REPLACEMENT
God I wish.

>>129207154
the "big three" are the Parti Liberal du Quebec (PLQ) Parti Quebecois (PQ) and CAQ (Coalition Avenir Quebec). the other smaller parties like Quebec Solidaire (QS) and Option Nationale (ON) arent really worth mentioning.

PLQ is most "popular," they pretty much always win except when they fuck up real hard for many years and then people will vote for the PQ out of spite because they're the next most "popular" and the only party that will ever defeat the liberals.

PQ is the 2nd most popular party, how hard they want seperatism depends on the leader. Theyre economically left but culturally conservative, theyre the ones that tried to pass the Charte des Valeurs which made leftists reeeee a few years ago. Thing is theyre kind of scummy and in bed with the unions (which people hate) and theyre usually so fractured by internal politics, leadership struggles, and retarded fucking policies that they'll only win when people's hatred of the PLQ outweighs their hatred of the PQ.

The CAQ is a relatively new party that used to be the ADQ (Action democratique du Quebec) which is made up of former ministers from a bunch of different parties. They don't really stand for anything, they flip-flop all the time and say contradictory shit non-stop. They've only been around for the last 2 elections though.

Thing is, despite how corrupt and hated the PLQ is they're the least bad of the 3. They're against independence and very status quo so people feel like theyre a safe vote no matter how much they are hated because they will not rock the boat, so to speak.

long post, all that to say that for a quebecer there isnt really a good voting option. all the parties suck so the PLQ usually wins by default.

>>129208020
You don't know what history will give us, maybe we will be a space caliphate within three centuries

>>129208233
madrid is more full of spics than san diego lol

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>>129194648
Anyone's who supports Catalonia is literally supporting a region of commies, anarchists and socialists. If I were Spanish, I think I might actually want them to leave, it could help move Spanish politics to the right slightly.

(Pic is Toledo, a place I would love to visit one day.)

>>129194648
Hopefully they won't fuck it up like the Scots did

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fun fact: in parts of Sardinia they still speak Catalan.

captcha: PALMAS ROJA

>>129208392
>God I wish.
Then your wish was granted like 60 years ago manolo

>>129207682
>implying
You talk like there is something wrong with being an ethnonationalist, french people don't belong in Rosselló just like any arab or nigger.
I told you to go back simply because I'm talking to you right now but I'd say the same to any shitskin. Not to mention that if there are shitskins in catalan lands in the first place is because the goverments in Paris and Madrid brought them here without our consent.
Civic cucks go away.

>>129208407
It's funny I had the impression of reading a post about french political parties, it's almost the same things

>>129208020

You do know that the day we'll become this, you'll be the first or the second target for us (place disputed with Germany), since you were part of this caliphate? Muslims won't magically stop at your frontiers, especially in a calipahte mind-state, but you know about this if you even opened an history book. The fact that you're not praising Allah as of today is because the moors didn't gave a fuck about the Asturias, and Franks btfo them.

So, be thankful, and more imortantly, be supportive to help us not becoming a caliphate. It starts right now, by helping us reconstruct the napoleonic empire to fuck Germany really, really hard where it really, really hurts.

>>129208420
Maybe we will too. Considering how islamic countries look like I think we'll be more like pakistan though.

>>129208100
k I found it

picture on the front is a chess pawn with

11M: Seguimos Queriendo Saber

reminder that if you live more than 100km away from barcelona you are literally andalusian tier

barcelona is the center of catalan culture and has been the best city in spain for 100 years

>>129198879
Fuck off

>>129208735
I don't think that's about independence.

>>129208695
They will be more Arab nationalists than french nationalists. If anything they'll want all al andalus not the parts of the french empire. Probably we'll merge with Germany and England to form the first islamic european caliphate.

>>129208735
It's not seccessionist, it's about a terrorist attack.

>>129208600
From my point of view nothern catalonia is part of France for more than four centuries, it's a part of the french culture and of course it needs to be defended and their culture protected. And France needs to start being an ethnostate, a nation only with its native populations (european immigrants can stay they usually, except for the portuguese and spaniards, integrate really quickly). France is made up from different local cultures that needs all a form of representation and autonomy, like switzerland did, but for small territories like mine forbidding every french natives from coming here is just a death sentence, we don't have an economy, we have no industries and it won't ever happen if we do that. If we act in a way to integrate inner migrations from native populations cultures won't disappear and economy will be able to thrive, otherwise well we'll be the romania of france

>>129208979
I realized that, now that I have actually looked at it - this was back in 2006 doe

The back goes

11M entiras que nos contaron del atentado

"1:-Nos Dijeron que los terroristas esta islamistas fanaticos pertenecientes a Al Qaeda, pero los procesados son en su mayoria delincuentes comunes y casi todos ellos confidentes o controlados por las fuerzas de seguridad"

the fuck is this shit

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>>129208591
And you didn't give a fuck.

>>129208989
> Implying arab immigrants ever opened a book to see how borders looked like centuries ago

>>129209320
Zapatero made a soft coup

>>129208676
well we are cultural and ethnic cousins after all, i suppose it makes sense we're similar politically

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>>129208591
http://www.idescat.cat/cognoms/
Of the 100 most common surnames in Catalunya only 25 are catalan, the first appearing in place 26. I didn't ask for this feeling.
Xarnego genocide when?

>>129208457
Except that Spain is the union of the crowns of Castilla, Navarra and Aragon, if Catalonia breaks away it will be the end of Spain

i wish i was a part of spain, the iberian american would never come to be...

>>129209320
Conspiracy theories about https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Madrid_train_bombings
Some lunatics think the government did it, or ETA did it and the government covered it.

>>129195646
fuck of Madrilsta

>>129209530
Well not exactly, we've been separated for centuries and you end up being governed by an anglo-saxon country in the british way of ruling a country, it's a huge coincidence we end up having similar political landscape

>>129208789
kek its a shithole full of pakis and afghanis and dirty as hell. Whores can be seen peeing in the Ramblas.
Compare this to based Granada or Seville, with its impressive monuments, everything clean, limited immigration... Barna BTFO. You are the Marseille of Spain.

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>>129209559
>Xarnego genocide when?
it's way too late, we are already halfway through our own genocide

>>129205492
>just have some thrill and spanish money in their pocket at the end of the month

It's the opposite though, being part of spain is causing the catalonian government to lose money. Compare it to London and the rest of Britain, Barcelona essentially plays 2/5 of every tax dollar to the rest of the country. The EU will quell the independence because it goes counter to the entire concept and Spain needs that Barcelona gimdatz.

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>>129194648
FRANCO WHEN

>>129209797
yeah but 100% of the reason why catalonia is superior to the rest of spain is barcelona

all the industrious, intelligent and cultured catalans have always been here or right next to barcelona. it's a shame in the last few decades it's got full of xarnego andalusian low iq inbreds and arabs

>>129195225
/pol/ doesnt support independent catalonia. reddit might do.

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>>129194648
>PRECEDENT
REPUBLIC OF SRPSKA INDEPENDENT NEXT

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>>129209395
I like you

>>129209894
I'm talking about the politicians having their gibs at the end of the month while not having to rule a real independant country, not the population losing money from financing the spanish states and other regions

>>129194648
I'm vacationing in Barcelona for a week in late October. Will this effect my holiday?

>>129209390
>And you didn't give a fuck.
According to who?

>>129209559
>>129209811
We're too fucked. The only thing we can do is vote podemos to fuck up spain :DDDDDDDDDD

>>129209486
>>129209681

lame. i guess a foreign language can make even infowars-tier shit seem interesting

site on bottom was libertaddigital.es if anyone is interested

>>129209762
quiet revolution of the 60s changed the political landscape though, we went from being run 100% by anglo-saxon Canadians & the Catholic church to embracing French ideas like laïcité, see link below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La%C3%AFcit%C3%A9#Quebec_.28Canada.29

prior to the 60's though you'd be 100% correct but today we're more european in government style than the ROC despite still using the British system of government

>>129210102
Well that's the thing though, the Catalonian government stands to win much more than they lose by pushing this. Spain and the EU will quell it because that's the entire point of centralising power.

>>129209251
Nope. It was culturally hispania for geographic reasons: the pyrinees are hard to cross.
Charlemagne created a buffer zone but it included also other parts of Spain, and the population was mainly of Visigoth origin,some of the old laws being preserved in Barcelona way longer than in Castille.

>>129209572
I don't know much about Spanish history but could Catalonia become independent but keep the Spanish monarch? (A bit like Australia or Canada)

>>129210196
You'll probably see some Jordis chimping out at the street.

>>129210196
no but Barcelona is full of arabs like london and paris

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UNA ESPAÑA UNIDAD

>>129210196
it's the most beautiful city in the peninsula by far

you'll enjoy it, but watch out for the gypsies and arabs as usual in any european capital

>>129210335
that's a shame. in 2006 it was gorgeous

>only time in europe was before the musselman invasion
>all i have are my memories~

>>129210300
nigga read up on the reconquista and the unification of spain under fernando of aragon and isabella of castille. important european history and very interesting.

>California leaving finally!!!
>Read it again, just spic nonsense

what do Spaniards think of US military in their country? How easy is it to fugg qt Spanish girls as a 5'9 king of manlets white American?

>>129195184
Catalonia would get into the EU in a heartbeat because they are in the top 5 of gross GDP in Europe. They've ready lost the highest (London) so they wouldn't want to lose Barcelona, plus the concept of people joining the EU and actual political change being performed under it would be great.

The EU won't want them to get independence though because that would mean they have to do some fucking work. They won't endorse it but they haven't endorsed any independence efforts unless it is something like Ireland or Scotland now brexit is a thing.

>>129209975
Is it really superior? That depends on what you value. Wages, GDP? Then Madrid and Euskadi are superior. I on the other hand value clean air, functioning services and social homogeneity over every other aspect.

>>129210268
It's a right wing news site.

>>129210269
Oh my god why did you picked some of our most shittiest ideas ? That's not a surprise if you are in the shit too

>>129210300
Ask Felipe directly. And giving the fact that the catalans are heavily left wing and republicans you know what they'll pick

>>129210298
Still French almost as long at it was aragonian or spanish
We have similar culture (but just in the way of life right know, if we exclude some flags, accents and expressions we are french as fuck, not spanish nor as catalan as you) and we live in the same side of the mountains as the rest of France

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>>129210461
I visited Barcelona and I was not that impressed...

I disliked the contrasting architecture of modern and beautiful old buildings, it looked so crude. Toledo is where I really want to go.

>>129210782
it's a shame that as an andalusian shitskin you have neither of the things you mentioned nor the brains to get a job

>>129196949
>No Holy Roman Empire
-1/10 try again

>>129205076
SWEDEN YEEEES

>>129210956
> Prefering the HRE toward the Frankish Empire

>>129210847
Seville is really nice

>>129210601
We hate you burgers but we happen to be a puppet state of yours since the cold war.
About the fucking, well there are bitches everywhere in the world, aren't they?

>>129210847
that looks bloody horrid next to the more traditional facade next door

>>129210715
We can stop them from joining.

>>129211206
Exactly, it seemed like that everywhere when I went

>>129210914
What are you talking you bitch. My ass, even when dirty, it is still whiter than your corneas. I have a well paid job in a relatively small city so homes are cheaper. In Barna you pay for a room what I pay for a full apartment here.

Enjoy your pakis brough in by the same thieving elites you support.

>>129208789
Correction: Barcelona is a fine city and center of catalan culture, its metro area (cinturón rojo) is a hellhole full of lazy invaders, and the rest of Catalonia is top tier.

>>129209251
Or Rosselló could join Catalunya once we become independent. I know right now it seems unrealistic but hope is the last to die.

>>129209572
if Catalonia breaks away it will be the end of Spain
>16% of total Spain's population
>19% of Spain's GDP
>26% of exports
>24% of industrial production
>24% of high-tech workers
>26% of tourism
They will become a shithole without us.

>>129209811
Holy fuck even Rosselló has been castilianed.
http://www.geopatronyme.com/cgi-bin/carte/hitdept.cgi?periode=4&dept=66
Compare that with the 1891-1915 data.

>>129211261

>implying you have a word againts Mama Merkel's wille

I know about the veto. But there is only one country who will side with you with this, and it's France. And we're ruled by cucks who suck Germany's balls, because we actually have to wait for their population to die to take precedence in EU.

You're fucked.

>>129211049
tru desu but HRE is the ultimate border gore

>>129194648
Catalonia today, Padania tomorrow
Good luck brothers

>>129211737
Just with one country vetoing them they can't join.

>>129211151
Ye but you have better luck in different countries depending on said bitches opinions of Americans. Korea is pretty easy and I can kind of speak Spanish so Spain shouldn't be too difficult. Are the women there as trashy as the rest of the West?

>>129211730
>26% at most
Shit we are so fucked

What about 40% of the corrupt politicians? After independence they will sell you all to the jews even more. Kek I can't wait for you to leave.

>>129211983

Don't worry, you'll be pressured like hell to not use the veto. And if you manage to ever use it (first of all, you'll win my personal respect, not much I know) it's not like Europe care about any government. look at the Euro Constitution and the Lisbon Treaty.

>>129211983
That's not true if Spain was the only country vetoing they could not block them according to the treaty of nice

>>129211995
Yes. Not bong-level, but close.

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>catalonia remains in spain
>podemos wins the next elections
>catalonia becomes independent
>catalonia becomes a commie country alongside commie spain

i want out