Pope Francis: “God cannot be God without Man"

>>129159232
jewish af

God's best representation is through conversation with wise humans, if God is a pantheistic deity it exists in all of us.

>>129159324
This is full blown heresy. I don't know what the fuck is going on.

>>129159232
The pope is fake news

>>129159232
>fucking jew talking like a Rabbi

A freemason and his retarded psuedobabble
nothing out of the ordinary to see here

Can I at least read the full line?

>>129159449
This. I'm actually surprised a majority of Catholics haven't declared him an antipope yet

>>129159613
"Dear brothers and sisters, we are never alone. We can be far, hostile; we can even say we are “without God.” But Jesus Christ’s Gospel reveals to us that God cannot be without us: He will never be a God “without man”; it is He who cannot be without us, and this is a great mystery! God cannot be God without man: this is a great mystery! And this certainty is the source of our hope, which we find kept in all the invocations of the Our Father. When we are in need of help, Jesus does not tell us to be resigned and to shut ourselves in ourselves, but to turn to the Father and to ask Him with trust. All our needs, the most evident and daily as food, health, work to that of being forgiven and sustained in temptations, are not the mirror of our solitude: instead, there is a Father who always looks at us with love, and who certainly does not abandon us.

Now I propose something to you: every one of us has so many problems, so many needs. Let us think, a bit, in silence, of these problems and these needs. We also think of the Father, of our Father, who cannot be without us, and who is looking at us at this moment. And all together, with trust and hope, we pray: “Our Father, Who art in Heaven . . .”

>>129159232
Pope Francis is a pro-Islam atheist, he is not the rightful Pope.

>>129159765
Seriously. What the fuck?

>>129159232

#NotMyPope

>>129159232
How many times will catholicism have to reform before they get it right?

>>129159232
that is absolutely wrong.
God existed before mankind so this makes no sense.

>>129159232
>WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS?!?
it means the pope doesn't believe in god.

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This has to be intentionally provocative.

He doesn't really say what he means.

In fact, this can be best understood as man invented god, which would be a heresy for a CATHOLIC POPE.

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>>129159232
my best guess

>>129159232
>Communist Anti-Pope Francis says something heretical

This isn't even news at this point

>>129159232
Antichrist

>>129159910
I don't know what's going on here but he do know that the ultimate heresy, the gravest of sins is to place Man in the place of God. That's the ultimate form of pride and it's what the Devil did when he revolted against God.

!!!

>>129159765
It sounds more like God wouldn't bear to be without man, as if God is emotionally attached to his creation. So then we can be rest assured that in our times of doubt we can always look back to him because he will never be without us.

>>129160091
Nothing about god ever made sense.

>organised religion

Why are you letting some corporation tell you what to believe and how to act?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10464070/Church-of-England-officials-on-six-figure-salaries.html

>As charities and councils come under pressure to rein in executive pay, it has emerged that the Church of England’s top official is paid more than the Prime Minister

>The Church of England pays its top bureaucrat over £10,000 more than the Prime Minister receives despite launching a series of attacks on high executive salaries, it has been disclosed.

>Papers laid before the Church’s General Synod, which has been meeting this week, show that eight lay officials across the Church’s London headquarters and its financial arm receive more than 100,000 a year.

>>129159232
1st atheist pope le based af!!!

Seriously, impeach this goddamn shitty pope.

This heretic "pope" hasn't even read John 1. Absolutely disgusting.

>>129160256
go away atheist fag.

>>129159232
This little Mexican shirtlfter should hand the reigns back to an actual religious person.

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Catholics will defend this

>>129159715

He IS an anti-pope, there is no question about it.

>>129159232
pick up your bible and stop following vain traditions.

>>129159232
>Communist black pope talks shit.

IMPEACH

>>129160238
That's how I would interpret "He will never be a God "without man""; not "God cannot be God without man". He says them both!

>>129159232

He means that God's existence relies on man. Heretical. All Catholics ought to reject this "Pope" outright.

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>>129159232
God is the summation of our belief in him/her
The more non-believers, the less power God has

>>129159232
What an embarrassing time to be Catholic.

Don't worry guys the press secretary will be here shortly to explain what Francis actually meant to say

>>129159232
>God cannot
Blasphemy

>>129160524

The Vatican 2 sect isn't "Catholic"

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>>129160152
>demons souls being playable on that PS triple emulator
https://rpcs3.net/

>>129160403
check your chair

im quite certain these levels of unintentional irony blow the human asshole clean out of the body

>>129159232
Catholics
Aren't
Christians

It's literally the anti-Christ religion, but keep looking at Islam, they are blatantly evil, the anti-Christ would pose as a head of church.

>>129160521
>anime image
>post full of retarded shit
>him/her
holy shit die

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>>129159232
Because god is an invention to hide the truth of the great old ones

>>129159232
Simple, if all people who worship "God" were to die, the religion would die out.

>>129159232
He's saying God isn't real. Man created God in their mind, it's more likely that God are just aliens.

>>129159715
It's interesting because the papal prophecies (just google the wikipage if unfamiliar) stated that this pope was to be the last pope. I remember after benedict quit wondering who it would be. Peter the Roman. Francis is Peter the Roman. After him the church ends.

>>129160521
BUT GOD IS OMNIPOTENT REEE

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>post yfw man is the animal

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>>129159232
It means humanity and God are in a symbiotic relationship. There wouldn't be a God without humans nor would there be humans without a God. Which is correct. All you simpletons who think religion = believing in le old man doing stuff from le heaven who does good things if you le pray, I suggest you move on to a simpleton religion like Islam or (((Protestantism))), as Catholicism is far too sophisticated for you. Please note how all the "he is not le real pope because I disagree with him!!!" posts are coming from WASPtard nations.

>>129159232
What the fuck is this Heresy?

>>129159232
literal heresy

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

>>129159232
He just means God doesn't abandon us.

>>129160940
Yeah but his phrasing is sneakingly blasphemous. A feel good conclusion via blasphemous means. It's deceit.

>>129160782

After him EVERYTHING ends m8, the end of the prophecy is "Rome will be destroyed, and the dreadful Judge will judge His people. The End."

>>129159232
>“God cannot be God without Man"
that's what the pope tells little boys when he wears just a fig leaf and plays god and the garden of eden

>>129160824
That's not Catholicism, you idiot. Stop pretending that you read Aquinas and you understood because based on your post you clearly didn't.

Does this not translate well into English? Because this is heretical

>>129160824
I'm sorry, while the position that God can't exists without humanity could be acceptable to you or us in this thread it is not a stance The Pope can advocate.

>>129161043
>After him EVERYTHING ends m8, the end of the prophecy is "Rome will be destroyed, and the dreadful Judge will judge His people. The End."
yes, but it's debated if that correlates directly with end times since no one will actually know when that happens. It's possible that this is the end of the church, and it will be ended until the second coming. Which could be 1000 years later.

>>129159232
Full context.

There has to be more than that. God is perfect and God + man is not greater than God.

>>129160824

>there wouldn't be a God without humans

That. IS. BLASPHEMOUS HERESY.

GOD IS

HE IS ETERNAL

HE ALWAYS WAS

BEFORE MAN EVER CAME TO BE GOD WAS

>>129160940
Look at this phrasing:
" But Jesus Christ’s Gospel reveals to us that God cannot be without us: He will never be a God “without man”; it is He who cannot be without us, and this is a great mystery! God cannot be God without man: this is a great mystery! And this certainty is the source of our hope, which we find kept in all the invocations of the Our Father."

This is why Luther won

>>129159232
>Pope Francis: “God cannot be God without Man"
This "pope" is the servant of Satan if there ever was one.

>>129159232
thats what hapen when u let an argenigger in the vatican. enjoy faggot

>>129161255
Best post itt. Many Popes have been corrupt and unbelievers

>>129160259
>church of england
>catholic
Pick one

>>129159232
It means we should take god as a hostage to do our bidding by threatening him with global nuclear armageddon resulting in mutual assured destruction.

See hegel's master-slave dialectic you swine

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>>129159232
Pope Francis is the false prophet. He is the antichrist.

>>129159449
I think he's trying to say that without man to preserve God's will and spread the word of the Lord, God cannot rule.

God requires men to rule over the world, without believers, he cannot send his message.

>>129161316
>This "pope" is the servant of Satan if there ever was one.
I am a Catholic and believe this. The church has been commandeered.

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>>129160718
God is part of you, and part of all of us
Just how much power God has depends on the energy we grant him/her
Your own heaven/hell will be determined by your own conscience at the end
In a way that's fitting since that's how we're granted free will, yet still part of God at the same time

Its true. Without man god would have no meaning. It's like being the king of no one.

Jesus was man after all. All the creatures on planet earth certainly dont give a shit about god. only humans do

>>129160286
#NotMyPope

Prophecy of the two popes when?

>>129159232
Whore of babylon

So according to Freewheelin' Frank, if God can't live without man, does that mean that man can live without God? Heretic!

>>129161113
>Holy shit he read a book, burn him!
The scholars clearly say that it's love from and TOWARDS God that moves the Universe. I know he's a jesuit but stop hating on him and take his Evert word out of context just because he fucking read the bible

It's like people who say "without my kids I'd be nothing".
They don't mean non-existence, they mean it's a core part of their identity.

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>>129159232
>WHAT IS THE MEANING OF THIS?!?

I honestly have no idea. God can't be considered God without people to consider Him God? It's either extremely trivial or entirely false. Here is the full context:

>Dear brothers and sisters, we are never alone. We can be far, hostile; we can even say we are ‘without God.’ But Jesus Christ’s Gospel reveals to us that God cannot be without us: He will never be a God ‘without man’; it is He who cannot be without us, and this is a great mystery! God cannot be God without man: this is a great mystery!
Honestly, it sounds like process theology - which is heretical - but I'll wait for a clarification by the pope if he gives it.

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1-800-CALL-PIUS

>>129161123
>>129161222
He obviously doesn't mean it literally (you know, given that it's FUCKING THEOLOGY), he means the concept of God itself would lose meaning if there were no beings left who believe in God. How do you r/thedonald retards consider this to be in any way heretical and not completely true? Again, please leave this religion for people who have the capacity to think, and go back to your puritan shacks to recite Bible passages without any actual understanding of their meaning.

>>129161499
this

Francis is the first jesuit pope, he thinks he is god, he calls himself the vicar of christ

the roman catholic church is a beast of revelation 13. and soon america will give her back her power and authority.

>>129160824
>There wouldn't be a God without humans nor would there be humans without a God.
Blasphemy.
There has already been God without humans. Stop using the Lord's name in vain. This is not scripture nor is it catholic doctrine.

>>129160334
it's called humility, all the best religions have it

This pope has made Catholicism much more appealing to everyone desu. He talks about god and religion as something a lot more centered around self worth and trust than an omnipotent figure waiting to fuck my ass while it bathes in gold in the vatican. Yes I'm a stupid argienigger but you dumb whities with your anal fixation on control and power are what made your culture loose due to how hard it is to attain by the impossible moral and spiritual standards that you yourselves do not even follow

>>129161392
Yeah, the Catholic church is completely different. Organised religion is fucking cancer. I don't need some faggot Pope to tell me what to do, yet Catholics are required to listen to this idiot.

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/how-rich-vatican-so-wealthy-it-can-stumble-across-millions-euros-just-tucked-away-1478219

>But such is the vastness of the Vatican's wealth that it can find hundreds of millions of euros just "tucked away" off of its central balance sheet, according to the cardinal responsible for the Holy See's finances.

>"It is important to point out that the Vatican is not broke," Cardinal George Pell, the Vatican's prefect of the secretariat for the economy, wrote in the Catholic Herald.

>"Apart from the pension fund, which needs to be strengthened for the demands on it in 15 or 20 years, the Holy See is paying its way, while possessing substantial assets and investments.

>"In fact, we have discovered that the situation is much healthier than it seemed, because some hundreds of millions of euros were tucked away in particular sectional accounts and did not appear on the balance sheet."

>>129161877

The head of the jesuits just stated that Satan doesn't actually exist, which is heresy.

Francis has uttered countless heretical statements, one of them being "Martin Luther was a witness to the Gospel."

Do you really want me to start citing the countless heresies of your false Vatican 2 sect of apostate heresiarchs?

>there cannot be God without humans
This is the root of luciferian style beliefs. The carnal. The over-importance of human beings and their time here. It is to move people closer to satan.

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>>129159232
all of our conceptions of god are anthropocentric
it's sort of like saying if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, it DOESN'T make a sound.

also, God created Man, then oriented the entirety of His revelation and creational focus around man.
>>129159402
yes, it's also a pantheism over panentheism argument. clearly we know what side the pope is on, but i guarantee you pope benedict wouldn't say something like this. Benedict was a high christology theological scholar par excellence. francis is a liberation theology centered pastor concerned with evangelical catholic movements in the global south.
thing is, that's where the people are. high church europe is dead. south american and korean evangelical movements are the only growth centers for roman Catholicism.

>>129162019
>He talks about god and religion as something a lot more centered around self
Exactly. This is what Satan wants us to believe as well. Get it?

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>>129159765
>He will never be a God “without man”
He has also said some shady things in the past like, Christ had to ask his parents for forgiveness for sinning against them.
And that Christ failed on the cross.

If God wanted to, he could create a new universe with new people to worship him. He chooses not to. But he would still be God if he did. He was God before he created man. He would be God if man were gone.
This guy pretending to speak in God's name is leading people astray. The words that come out of his mouth are demonic.

>>129159232

seems he´s watching american gods

why is everyone surprised that the globalist infiltrator hates christianity?

>media at war with the RCC
>pope resigns and borgolgo becomes pope
>media suddenly loves the RCC
>borgolgo starts shilling every single lobalist agenda point, from faggots to immigrants to fucking climate change

Who cares what the leader of a rapidly dieing church has to say.

>>129162064

Clapping emoji

>>129162019
>argentina
You're going down the path of dropping ideals and standards because you're too weak/dumb to follow them. I see pure leftism in you.

>>129159232
Wtf you think it means? God cannot live without faith in him from man

>>129161877
>He obviously doesn't mean it literally

Every time Francis blurts out one of his heretical speeches you need 20 theologians to explain what he actually meant.

In reality he is just a heretical, theology of liberation, communist

>>129162019
>>129162297
More importantly, you are entirely deriving thoughts from passions/desire. That's the path to Hell.

>>129162340
THIS
EXACTLY

>>129162152
>all of our conceptions of god are anthropocentric
This is false beyond belief. Read Aquinas.

>>129161843
the funny thing is Lenny in the show is very much like Francis in the way he thinks of his place in the church and the way he views God's relationship to himself
but Lenny is le ebbbiggg right winger XDDD so he's hella cool (I guess you missed the part of the show that explains how most of his extremism is just stemming from childhood insecurities due to abandonment) while Francis is le cuck libtard. Goes to show how shallow your actual faith (and its understanding) is if you have to judge the fucking Pope and the entire church based on how they fit in the current political climate

>>129162019
Don't listen to him! Pope Francis is a leftist liberal and he will fuck the church from the inside! mark my words.

>>129162340

He also "solemnly and apostolically" declared that cohabitation and adulterous relationships were no longer mortally sinful in Aemoris laetetia, which is actually definite proof that he's an anti-pope.

How can God be without people who could believe in him?

>>129159232
Relativistic bullshit from a man who claims to be equal to the highest judge.

He deserves death.

>>129162626
I don't know man! Guess God didn't exist before Adam according to this pope

>>129160238
Yeah, that's my take on it to. It's a Jewy way of saying that God has infinite love for Man or something to that effect.

>>129160152
No he's saying that God only has power because we do not.
He's basically saying God has privilege.

>>129162626

So God actually didn't exist until Adam came about? So Adam actually created God at the same time God created Adam?

>>129162716
>It's a Jewy way of saying that God has infinite love for Man or something to that effect.
A deceitful way. Lies are sold in pretty packages. That's why they work.

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>>129159232
God is Dead.

>>129160632
what vile nonsense you utter

>>129159232
antipope

you were all warned well ahead of time i wave sign on street for 10 years nobody listens they all say i have mental problem

>>129161801
maybe he's talking about the covenant relationship
Jeremiah 30:22
Exodus 6:7
Leviticus 26:12

that would probably be the easiest explanation

>>129162784
>So God actually didn't exist until Adam came about? So Adam actually created God at the same time God created Adam?
ding ding ding
This is the pope's satanic lie that was wrapped in the feel good package.

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>>129159232
I always knew this fuck was an atheist in disguise.

>>129162784
>>129162626
So Adam is also God? Wait? Isn't saying that the ultimate heresy? Really makes me think...

You poles should know better.

He's right. Religion as a whole is a human construct. No more humans, no more religion. Christcucks sure are uppity about this

>>129159232
That's pretty self exalting. We arent the only entity in the universe.

>>129161502
That's not true at all. According to the Bible if people stop believing then he punishes them or shows them a sign. God doesn't "need" humans. If he's saying God's existence is dependent on people's belief then he's declaring God as imaginary.

>>129162898
That's basically what he said, yeah. I guess we are all God, according to this motherfucker.

>>129160824
There can be no relationship with God as there can be no interaction with God, this is idolatry.

>>129162918
Religion is not made up but found.

>>129162527
i have. use aquinas to disprove that our language regarding god is anthropocentric. then look at the language used to describe god in the bible

>>129162888
>2013
Oh fuck, this bastard has been pope for too damn long. It feels like only yesterday.

>>129162888
Benedict really was the last pope, the end is nigh

>>129160599
are you saying the gates of hell did not prevale?

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>>129162888
he's definitely got a bill cosby lookin vibe to him

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>>129159232

Catholicbros, now is the time to convert to Holy Orthodoxy

>>129163128
The church is so damn compromised.

>>129162888
Witnessed

>>129163027
lol

>>129159765
0/10 Clickbait article. Francis is making a rhetorical device describing God's unending love for mankind and how it stands in stark contrast with Man's constant desire to stand independent of Him.

>>129159232
Walls for me, not for thee. Go kiss more muslim feet you fucking cuck.

>>129163162
No, one can remain Catholic and reject the false pope.

>>129160256
Fuck off fedora fag, everyone here understood what the austrian meant

>>129161549

>Fish literally jump into nets when he tells them to
>Storms quit their shit at a word
>Dead flesh and bread multiply when he breaks them
>Water changes to wine to stop his mum getting embarrased

Nice try leaf, the world knows the messiah when it sees Him

>>129163128
Welcome to Liberation theology, the unholy union of Communism and Christianity

>>129163128
SACRILEGIOUS

>>129163228
if mental gymnastics was an olympic sport you would get the gold

>>129163358
Really? So if a shit leader takes over Macedonia, I suppose you're not Macedonian anymore then?

>>129163037
John 1:1-5
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it."

Soooo anthropocentric...

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>>129159765
He is saying God is omnipresent, something that almost all Christians agree on. I don't get why you all are so up in arms. He's not saying "God needs man to be God" he's saying that we as humans have God in us at all times because God is everywhere. Just as we are incapable of being without God, God's omnipresence necessitates that He is never without us.

If you are interpreting this as "God loses his divinity without man" you are misinterpreting what he is saying. It's a spiritual reference to God's place in each of us. As long as man exists, God will never be without us.

>>129161502
God can do anything, and needs Man for nothing. It's heresy.

>>129159715
reminder nazi pope is still alive and no pope has ever stepped down before. He is illegitimate. (((They))) are like china trying to cheat the rules of the religion for political gains.

>>129163122

The gates of hell are the mouths of heretics. The One True Church of Christ, the Catholic Church, cannot be compromised, as it is a perfect supernatural society which is made up of members which have: 1) baptism 2) the true faith

If you don't have the true faith (ie. you believe/profess heresy) then you are not part of the Church.

>>129161549

St. Francis's life and work shows that all of God's creatures recognize him and worship him and will be a part of His kingdom. You are extremely wrong.

>>129163445

>we have God in us at all times

Extreme heresy.

>>129163427
well if macedonia is defined by it's leaeder and all who oppose him are heretics, and i opposed him, then yes

>>129163434
The pope apparently disagrees with this.

>>129163554
On what do you base the idea the Catholic church is defined by it's leader?

>>129159765
I take it to mean god cannot be without man more along the lines of he's not a deadbeat dad. He won't give up. Not that he needs us because we give him power or whatever.

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>>129163228
>>129163427

Let's see what the Church leadership looks like after Francis. With the increasing importance of Latin America and the liberalisation of European Catholicism (aside from based Poland), I doubt it'll be much different.

Does the pope pray differently to God? If god wanted no false idols why does this man claim to speak on behalf of God?

>>129163128
>the one time post WW2 the papal infallibility was used to denounce the christian marxism
>now this
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>129163445

t.catholic

>>129162081
I fucking love these words

Apostate
Heresy
Infidel
Sacrilege
Blasphemy

They are fun words. They feel powerful.

>>129163550
How is that heresy? The idea that God never abandons us is a fundamental part of Christianity. Any sheep in the Lord's flock can return to him because we never truly leave. Jesus says it explicitly.

>>129159232
nonononono
"Man can be without god, but god never without man."
As in, us not believing in him doesn't make him not real... nor does our faltered path make his plan less perfect etc...

>>129163434
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
you realize that the very next verse says the word became flesh right? seriously, just read nine more verses you lazy fuck
john 1:14
there, suck a fat dick.

>>129163738
He's being interpreted the way you described but he repeated three or four times the same thing and they all sound terrible. Prepare for genuine outrage over this.

>>129159765
Actually if you read it again

He's right lol. That's beautiful. What a bastard. You really do see what you want to see /pol/.

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Foward to 5:22 and listen carefully

https://youtu.be/LhaCjUGamjk

Its all been predicted. Dont loose faith. Remember "Shall not prevail"

>>129163830
You are an idiot.

>>129163907
That's Jesus, m8. God, Word, Flesh. That's the trinity.

>>129163907

what? the Word became Flesh is JESUS you fool.

>>129163934
This guy gets it

shut the fuck up with "anti pope" this nigga is anti CHRIST and so is every other pope ever

the whole catholic church is a all time hoax since day 1

catholics are not saved get your nwo garbage religion out of my face

>>129164000
Oh right on. I thought we were still talking about genesis. Didn't look. My bad.

>>129159232
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52WIdTcSvhc

>>129164011
Calm the fuck down.

>>129159715
>>129160388
>antipope

Do you even know meaning of this word? I don't think so.

>>129164068

proddie detected

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>>129163907
dude. no. just, no.

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>>129163445
Oh shut the fuck up, the cunt could literally say, "God is a faggot cocksucker who doesn't exist" and you'd still come up with some way to rationalize how he isn't an obvious Jewish puppet.

>"He's saying God is everyone, for without God we wouldn't exist. So yes, that faggot cocksucker who sucks 100 cocks a day at the local gaybar is God to, for he wouldn't exist without God. That's what Pope "Refugee feet are a tasty treat" Francis meant when he said "God is a faggot cocksucker who doesn't exist"

>>129164204
Holy fuck you people. I already explained that was an error in reading comprehension. Deleted it so you fags will stfu

>>129164134

a false claimant to the chair of St. Peter, who holds no office, no legitimacy, and has no power in the Church to command by matter of Divine Law

>>129163445
that is pantheism, which is heresy

>>129164000
>Flesh.
seems pretty fucking anthropocentric you twat

>>129163599
well catholics main argument is the pope is the one and only successor of peter so he is the absolute authority on christianity and all who oppose him are heretics

but i suppose that refers more to the throne than the pope himself, in a monarchy kind of way

>>129164349
No - he's an opposition to the pope elected by the cardinals. You cannot have antipope without pope.

>>129159232
God abandoned us.

>>129164390

That's to be assumed, Protestants and Vatican-2-aboos don't understand how religion works

>"so God created man"
>God created
>created
>ed
LITERALLY DAY 1 BIBLE STUDIES PROVE GOD EXISTED BEFORE MAN LET ALONE EARTH OR EVEN LIGHT...

My fellow Christians please stop fighting amongst yourselves! We can all agree the Catholic Church has been corrupted by Satan. Let's move past this and get a grip on the sudden atheists raid of our board. Do not let them push their satanic agendas on the weak minded!! WE'RE SO CLOSE TO THE END AND THEY'RE TRYING TO GET AS MANY SOULS AS THEY CAN

>>129164592

What? Plenty of anti-popes in history were elected by cardinals, what are you even talking about? Some anti-popes were even elected UNANIMOUSLY by every cardinal.

>>129164225
You frogfuckers do the same thing with Trump so calm down.

It's mind boggling to me that you're surprised the pope is for the humane treatment of refugees. His entire role on this earth is to promote love for God and all of God's children. The pope saying "Say no to refugees" would be like Chester the Cheetah saying "To hell with junk food, eat more vitamin-rich fruits."

>>129164537
And what if the pope is illegitimate? You still have the institution, just without a pope. That is how I view the church right now. Instead of a legitimate pope, we have some demonspawn pretending to be and lying to the flock. I feel it necessary to tell others, instead of abandon it.

God became incarnate in the form of Jesus Christ, and that is a crucial fact about who He is. If there were no man there would be no Incarnation.

>>129162004
>>129160334
that's false humility, that's putting on a show.

>>129164787

In which way is the Pope illegitimate? He was elected by the College of Cardinals, was he not?

>>129164486
and what? Humans are created as highest creation by God and its history was always about Gods relations to humans, of course it is """anthropocentristic""". But this doesn't mean that God needs humans to be what he is, he is an absolutely perfect being. Pope is either a heretic or just dumb enough to not use proper words during sermon, which gives us another question: How did this uneducated libtard even end up as a pope on the first place?

>>129164835
Spiritually illegitimate. He is of satan.

>>129159232
Okay Listen Dumb shit for fucks I'm the RedEagle and this "thing" that we call a pope is nothing more than a satanic old fuck who's way to far off his fucking rocker doing drugs and shit trying to find a way to extend his powers over god by using the means of Lucifer AND HAS FUCKING FAILED!!!!!

Guys, guys.
He's speaking about free will.
If all the christians act not as christians but like a bunch of faggot, how can the heretics and the blasphemes see the Lord?

>>129164835
Yeah, but something seriously fishy went down.

Popes are supposed to rule until death. The last one stepped down instead. Why?

We'll probably never know what went on inside the vatican about all that.

>>129164835
So was Julius II who bribed the Cardinals to get in.

Catholics are literally dindu the church , if a pop fucks up we dindu he is anti pope .

Catholics are a joke and i am going to laugh when 90 % if not more are burning in hell.


>But muh deus vult

>>129164835

anti-pope clement vii was elected by the college of cardinals

Just because you were elected unanimously by the college of cardinals doesn't mean you're a pope.

>>129160599

>The Vatican 2 sect isn't "Catholic"

This. Actually Pope Francis serves as a rather nice litmus test to see just how redpilled posters are around here.

If they back Francis or Vatican 2 without knowing about any of the real history (hint: it involves a whole lot of assassination of world leaders and funding of global war efforts) then they are basically normies still.

>>129162842

>you were all warned well ahead of time i wave sign on street for 10 years nobody listens they all say i have mental problem

kek

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>>129159232
Fuck this heretic who calls himself pope. Antipope Francis teaches heresy, he teaches the opposite of what the Church fathers teached, he even denies the existence of the devil. He is the prophecised heretical antipope at the end of times, who would teach heresy and lead a multitude astray.

To every catholic out there, I urge you to reject Vatican II, it is a freemason coup, was prophecised and what Bertoglio teaches is pure freemasonry.

>>129164977
This
Ignore the non-catholic flags trying to discrediting him, they have no word here.

>>129159232
he seems based to me

>>129165129
>Fuck this heretic who calls himself pope. Antipope Francis teaches heresy, he teaches the opposite of what the Church fathers teached, he even denies the existence of the devil. He is the prophecised heretical antipope at the end of times, who would teach heresy and lead a multitude astray.
>To every catholic out there, I urge you to reject Vatican II, it is a freemason coup, was prophecised and what Bertoglio teaches is pure freemasonry.
THIS 1000X

>>129164880
>How did this uneducated libtard even end up as a pope on the first place?

politics. He's from one of the few parts of the world where christianity is growing (S.America).
it just so happens that it's growing because catholic churches are becoming more evangelical, charismatic, and subscribing to liberation theological frameworks.

>>129164979
there was some dutch pope that stepped down in XVI cc I think

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>>129165129
>>129165283
>triggered by anti-pope

>>129165420
Go back to bed, mohammed.

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>>129159232

God's word is written in the animals of nature. He spent way more time on making them than he did on us.

>>129162544
God bless you goulash nigger. I am terrified by the ease with which these anons pass judgement on this benign statement, yet they scream they are ""true Christians"". Unfortunately Christianity has morphed into idolatry for most believers. It really is sadening.

>>129164979
Jesuits are a military branch of the Church, they are the Vatican's CIA.

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Teaching syncretism, praying with muslims, idolaters and whatnot, kissing the quran etc.. all heretical and considered blasphemous through the history of the Church.

>>129164787
He is 100% legitimate. Being even somewhat illegitimate would require some other (justified) claimant to the Holy See to exist or some Catholic Bishop to reject him as the head of Church.

>>129165484
I will sharia police the streets around the house and then go to bed, I feel really sleepy now.

>>129159232

"We know when we understand, almighty God is a living man" - Bob Marley

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>>129165629

>>129165695
It doesn't matter how much men say he is legitimate. A demon running the church is illegitimate.

>>129159232
>based agnostic

>>129165695

That doesn't make any sense at all. The only thing that determines whether he is legitimate or not is an examination of what he believes, preaches, professes, and does. If you don't have the true faith, you are not a member of the Church, and if you are not a member of the Church you cannot be a LEADER of the Church.

Just because physically you remain in the buildings and wear robes and maintain a material control of the infrastructure doesn't mean you are legitimate.

Arius was an archbishop, but as soon as he denied the divinity of Christ he had no office, no power, nothing. However it took a long time for him to be deposed of, and he excommunicated people, but he had no power to do so because he wasn't part of the Church, even though he could literally do it physically speaking.

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>>129165695
He is not. See >>129165797
and pic related. Also he was ordained under Vatical 2 which already makes it invalid. Vatican 2 was the start of the Great Apostasy, that would begin in the Church from the top down.

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>>129166009

>>129166009
You know your shit

>>129160448
TWO SCOOPS POPE

>>129166009
The current pope isn't a subject to the previous ones. Only to the Scripture and ecumenical councils. Almost every pope created bulls that contradicted those of the previous ones.

>>129159232
He is an Apostate Pope and possibly the false prophet. God IS, period.

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>There are still /pol/ users that are Christian or have any faith whatsoever in a book written by a bunch of idiots out in the desert some 2000 years ago when leprosy was considered to be an act of black magic / God's will and not a bacterial infection
>Their """holy book""" was written by several dozens of people over a period of hundreds of years, translated into various languages and altered / changed accordingly with some books being made canon and others being made apocrypha
>They entrust an old fogey elected by other old pedophiles to tell them the same shit all over again but with their own personal twist on it while trying to be infallible
>All while their only evidence for their """holy book""" being the real deal is because their """holy book""" says so

Remember when popes used to rape political prisoners, have mistresses and children out of wedlock, kill and assassinate people they didn't like and all-in-all were deeply entrenched in nepotism and kleptocracy under the guise of Christian theology?

>>129160824
God existed before the universe, retard

>>129161549
nonsense, He created the angels before us, and part of them did fall didn't they? He created them good but they became corrupted by their own free volution, before man was even created.

>>129166452

you are full of utter nonsense, scripture is only scripture because of the authority of a pope who canonized the books, and ecumenical councils are only ecumenical because of the authority of a pope which confirms it as solemn and apostolic

you don't have the first idea about what you're talking about

religion is gay
ill genocide the human race
then ill genocide everyone in hell, assrape your ancestors if i have time
then ill genocide everyone in heaven, then assrape them too
fuck you all

>>129166512

> that ID

muhfuggin jews

>>129160308
Nah. My free will says i dont have to listen to you or your fairy tale book. Feels good not having been brain washed my entire childhood and than proceed to live in fear my entire adult life. You are a prisoner of your own inability to break away from the conditioning. I feel bad for religious cucks, i really do.

>>129166813

I was an atheist as a child.

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>>129163228
This. Pray the Rosary every day fellow catholics. Dark clouds on the horizon.

>>129166813
>underage detected

>>129166894
I guess you're just a weak person. What have you become afraid of in your childhood that you needed to turn to escapism?

>>129166749
That's the spirit my chubby buddy!

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>>129160334
>Enough

>>129163605
>after francis<

hes the last one there will ever be.

>>129167049
>hes the last one there will ever be.
Truth

>>129166894

> I was always a materialist

first step's admitting it

>>129167153

what? I am not a materialist

The less you believe in the abrahamic god, the less power he has over you

>>129166601
I speak of a different matter

Whether approved by the pope or not, a pope must follow Canons established by an ecumenical council. They may only be altered by another ecumenical council.

On the same note, a pope is unbound to follow opinions or decisions of a previous pope.

If pope Francis contradicts the opinion of a previous pope, it doesn't matter, and a Catholic ought to accept his opinion, not that of a previous pope. If he would contradict an ecumenical council, that, on the other hand, would make him illegitimate.

>>129167153
you alright there, leaf?

>>129166926
Im 26 friendo. I become an athiest when i was a child though. when one day my grandma told me we'll talk to animals after the great purge. Its like a mad mans diary

>>129167361
So...you're actually the one with the fucked up childhood with odd ball beliefs that screwed with you.

Projection, as expected.

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>>129163155

>>129167291

No, that isn't how it works, go read Vatican 1. You are speaking complete nonsense.

>whether approved by a pope or not, a pope must follow canons established by an ecumenical council

a council is only ecumenical if a pope gave it approval, otherwise it cannot be universally binding

you are speaking of conciliarism which is condemned heresy

>>129167361
Atheists have brain like child

>its okay guize you can stop believing anyway its all fake islam is better

t. wewpope

>everyone's born an atheist until you get corrupted by these faggots.

>>129160231
To bad it is Pope who can declare you heretic and send you to a stake not the other way around.

>>129167285

> the less you believe in the law, the less power it has over you

technically correct, I suppose

>>129167449

This level of rudeness is not necessary and smacks of moral self-superiority.

>>129167566
>caring about what a demon does
what part of this is hard for you to understand?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xn_l2yS6H2o
please help guys, I saw this video and am getting increasingly worried

>>129167685
>This level of rudeness is not necessary and smacks of moral self-superiority.
There is no way you're 26. You sound like you're in highschool.

>>129165129
>I urge you to reject Vatican II,
Herecy. It is not up to man to choose religion and God. If people themselves could freely change religion what it will make it?

>>129159765
Even from a philosophical angle this aligns more with existentialists, it's just one step closer to postmodernism by saying that we shape God not God shaped us, or the famous, everything is a social construct.

>>129167756

I'm a completely different poster

>>129167942
oh well, you sound like a faggot.

>>129164880
>which gives us another question: How did this uneducated libtard even end up as a pope on the first place?
This.>>129165324
Church is in fact is elite democracy. No check number of Catholics by countries. Christianity is religion of commie brownskins. It is funny to see how everything white man thought is his to leave him.

>>129160777
Digits dont lie

>>129159232
a king isnt a king if he has nobody to rule over. without subjects he is simply a guy in a big fancy house

likewise without followers worshiping god he is simply a everlasting omnipotent being with infinite power and nothing but time on his hands

Gdzie jest jan paweł II kiedy go potrzebujesz?

>>129168118
blasphemy.
God loves us. He does not require us for existence much as he did not require us before Adam. That is humanist. Satanist.

>>129167725
>*checks flag*
OBEY KING like your GOD commands you! Or are your some heretical protestant who rejects God and belongs to hell?

>>129168300
>says we should follow demons cause man decided it's cool
good luck with that.

>>129168007

You sound like you're guilty of pride.

>>129160782
>Francis the Argentinean is Peter the Roman
wew

>>129168355
You sound like you love judging others.

>>129168187
Polish pope was a mistake, you must take the Catholic communist pill, Jesus was one after all.

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>>129168350
>i will invent my own new religion with blackjack and hookers (literally btw check US traditions) because i don't like old religion

>>129168350
Demons? Who are you to judge? Are you a prince of the Church? Thought so.

>>129168557
You're lost and not making sense, friend. I am the one remaining in my religion.

>>129168425

So do you.

Whatever happened to "Projection" or whatever you were accusing that other poster of doing?

>>129168602
>Demons? Who are you to judge?
One who knows blasphemy when I see it.

>>129168557
Catholic Church more or less adopted his initial demands, so...

>>129160782

What happens if this prophecy is false and thus came from the devil.

>>129159232
It simply means that he's pope of the beast.

>>129168675
Projecting is a physiological mechanism we can do when we are insecure about an issue we face. I was pointing that out to him, not lending a descriptive adjective to his person. Besides, I'm a sinner. I'm not the one claiming anything about you other than responding to your judgement of me.

>>129161502
There was God before Man even existed.

>>129168707
Well I suppose how one picks their faith is up to their own dynamics.

>>129163128
Is this real? What's the context? How can a pope accept a symbol of an ideology that has quite literally killed millions of christcucks, with his lord and saviour's depiction on it?

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Restore Christianity and cleanse the Church of heretics

Kill all Pagans, Atheists, and Muslims

>>129161502
This is not even true though
SOURCE WHERE

>>129159232
Well OP .. He is basically calling you all a faggot for believing in a childrens fantasy.

>>129168679
That simply means that you are of your own Church, that is neither Catholic nor Apostolic. It is natural that you see the others as blasphemous. I mean, Martin Luther did the same, although his Church grew a bit bigger.

>>129159449
>9449
Thoth's Wisdom

Burn the Witch.

>>129168901
christianity is not european, there are lots of chruches with dragons and serpents because that's what we worshiped, they converted pagan temples.

>>129159232
And catholicism is the biggest stream in Christianity. It ain't happening, Murica.

>>129164730
that's what he said.

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>>129169125
Die you degenerate paganfag

>>129169042
>That simply means that you are of your own Church
Sorry that makes no sense. So if I decide to get green grape at the store instead of red, does that decision come from the church too? Or does that make me my own church as well? The hell are you on about.

>>129161502
"I tell you," he replied, "if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out." -Luke 19:40
Saying that God needs men to spread his message is denying the power of God. God doesn't need people to preserve his message or spread it, he uses people to do it, and if they wouldn't he would use his power to do so.

>>129159232
St Peter's Throne is occupied by masons and satanists and it has been for a while, the faithful should disregard anything that comes out of his commie snake mouth

He has been watching too much American Gods

>>129168843

I'm not denying I'm a sinner, but a Christian thread isn't the place to profess faith and then cast the proverbial first stone.

>>129169042
>It is natural that you see the others as blasphemous.
The papal prophecies are church doctrine. Thus denying the false pope is part of the religion. If one disagrees, they are the one leaving the church.

>>129169218

In ancient times most of earth, included europe worshipped serpents.

>>129159232
Satan runs the vatican, and he runs the world as well through the vatican which controls royalty and the zionist bankers.
They call God to Satan, but its actually not the real god.

What he means is without our submission Satan has literally nothing to do, we are our own gatekeepers inside this prison.
It depends on humans to leave this hell called world, nobody is keeping you here but yourself.

>>129169356
>Christian thread isn't the place to profess faith and then cast the proverbial first stone.
I missed that part in the Bible. You may feel having a stick up one's ass is part and parcel of being catholic/christian. I disagree. You sound like a robot.

>>129166512
>ID
>Muhfuggin Jews.
This.

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Easy, we're all fragments of God experiencing itself. Animals are too but we have the most awareness (just in his limited statement though) that we know of.

>>129169361
Well, in that case, that means that there is no Catholic church left, since it requires Apostolic succession. If what you are saying is true, all the bishops have left the church, and god's grace doesn't exist and sacraments are meaningless.

>>129168007
You're a joke. Have you ever even gotten laid?

>>129169796
>If what you are saying is true, all the bishops have left the church, and god's grace doesn't exist and sacraments are meaningless.
qualify this please.

>>129169453

There is absolutely no way you "missed that part in the Bible," it's one of the most normie bible quotes there is.

https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A7

> You may feel having a stick up one's ass is part and parcel of being catholic/christian. I disagree.

Show me a pious, vulgar priest / monk and I'll agree.

>>129169960
You misuderstand. I'm referring to "christian thread". The rest of what you said, we shouldn't do anywhere. Besides, I'm not out for punishing anyone. Everyone's sins are between them and God. Not me. And mine are between God and I, not you. So what I'm asking you do to is leave me alone in how you feel I should be worshiping or applying my understandings of the Bible.

>>129169960
>Show me a pious, vulgar priest / monk and I'll agree.
How about I show you a bunch that raped kids? They're men. Presentation is shallow. I'm not concerned with public presentation. I'm concerned with spirit.

>>129160782
"pope francis bergoglio" equals to "the son of perdition" in english gematria
>read the bible

>>129159449
Bad idea to put a Cominternist as head of a church. 2 years from now, full 100 years of this crap

>>129170546

Then you believe in the doctrine of justification by faith alone, and aren't Catholic by definition.

>>129171142
Let me ask you this. Why do you feel the desire to so question my faith and explain to me how my faith is inadequate?

>>129159765
Finally taking this redpill...fucking lol
Simply put for your low IQ he just told everyone(finally)God is just a collective imagination

>>129171142
>Then you believe in the doctrine of justification by faith alone, and aren't Catholic by definition.
How do you get that from me saying priests are not perfect?

Only way to fix all this is to retake the Holy Lands

>>129171886
You have my kurwa.

>>129160824
Posting shit from (((the young pope))) >enjoy the hell fire

what is god like a faerie and if you don't believe they don't exist??????????????

>>129159232
fucking heretic

the church never should have been politicized
men have rode on the coat tails of the real men of god
this is how you get this fucking naive mother fucker
head in the fucking ground heresy spewing guy