Evolution debunked *pic related* Do atheists really believe

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Why are crabs so cute

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>>129130126
Are you sure about that?

>>129130126
How does that image debunk anything
>its another "i dont even properly understand evolutionary theory but im going to pretend im right because im an idiot" episode

>>129130338
Crabs eat baby turtles. They deserve a machete before ending up on my dinner plate.

>>129130126
https://youtu.be/5O0lqKc7Ob4

>>129130894
Sea spiders, literally shit tier food. If you're going to eat that, you might as well fry up some black widows and kys.

>>129130893
>doesn't understand English
>understands "(((evolution)))"
Sounds about right.

>>129130126
What kind of dog is that?

>>129131679

Get a load of this faggot

>>129130893
That's a trilobite, considered extinct for a trillion years.

>>129131679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bl_nvrsfoP4

>>129131679
you're really telling someone to kill themselves over eating crab?
kys

>>129130126
It obviously worked.

none of you are ready to talk about evolution. You carry too much baggage.

>>129130894
Fuck off, Jeb

>>129130126
DNA is real. Mutations, errors deletions and duplication can change many attributes of an organism.

>>129132062
>>129130126

is this thread a joke?

>>129130894
>Crabs eat baby turtles. They deserve a machete

Sea turtles lay 50 to 200 eggs. Nature compensates.

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>>129130126
Most atheist are a bunch of decadent losers who only adhere to atheism to rebel against traditional morality in attempts to masquerade around their "supposed" superior intellect.

>>129132062
ik this is a troll thread but trilobites are extinct

I've never eaten horseshoe crab but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibacus_peronii is delicious.

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>>129130126
Atheists are an evolutionary dead end.

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>>129131931
It's a fruit fish and it's a crustacean. Also how can you deny that evolution exists when pick related is real?

>>129132687
>in attempts to masquerade around their supposed superior intellect
t. christfag with 77700 "holier than thou" denominations

Also putting "supposed" in quotation mark in your context would imply the "supposed" part is absurd, meaning fagtheists really do have superior intellect. Learn2english fag.

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>>129132062
That's a horseshoe crab you complete faggot

>>129132828
what that gifs doesn't show is that there are billions of billions of guys doing the exact same thing and that out of all those people only one created a somewhat complex painting.

>>129130126
The blood of a horseshoe crab is more valuable than gold.

>>129132062
No you dunce, it's a FAMAS

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>>129130464
kek

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>>129132062

That's a horseshoe crab, but the trilobite is an ancestor of it. So, thanks for proving evolution????????

>>129130126
What does it taste like?

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>>129130126
Evolution is true.

>>129130126
but how would pekemans work if ther waz no evelotion?

>>129132486
>errors deletions

What?

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>>129131776
this. Evolution is a (((story))) for the goyim.

>>Eating a 300 gorrillion year old crab.
my my my

You actually proved evolution OP.
Horseshoe crabs DNA can be traced directly to trilobites.
Also evolution doesn't run in a straight line, sometimes it runs sideways or not at all. See: crocodiles

>>129131679
Ops, I meant this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6VNsqzgMKU

>>129130126
A just and loving God would never have created such a horrifying creature.

Clearly evolution is real.

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>>129134089
you see. when an organism spent 150 gorrillion years making an insertion into the DNA db and find that the environment has changed to make said insertion "not preferable", it just decides to go ahead and take another 150 gorillion years to delete that aformentioned insertion.
>> (((it's so simple if you don't think about it.)))

>>129132062
A horseshoe crab does not equal a trilobite.
Even if we found a live trilobite it would not disprove evolution.

>>129130126
>posts an example of evolution to disprove evolution
What did he mean by this?

>>129133342
>t. christfag with 77700 "holier than thou" denominations

LMAO you think anyone who is critical of atheism automatically make them a christfag? I'm not religion in the slightest, all I'm saying atheist are some of the most pretentious people you'll ever meet, and they act like angsty teenagers trying to rebel against their religious parents rather than the "radical free thinkers" they try and portray themselves as.

>>129130126
Proof of evolution:
1. Fossil records
>fossil records show a progressive sequence from simpler organisms in earlier periods to more complex organisms later
>this is proven in two ways: the principle of superposition and radioactive dating, e.g. with carbon-14
2. Embryological Evidence:
>similarities in the embryo development in different species implies evolution from a common ancestor
3. Anatomical evidence:
>homologous structures suggest evolution from a common ancestor
>vestigial organs are body structures that are present but serve no function. The presence of these organs implies that species have changed over time
4. Biochemical evidence
>similarities in chemical makeup of different species are evidence of a common ancestor
5. Biogeological evidence:
>similarities in species that live on different continents but adapted to similar environments supports evolution.


Fucking retard. You shouldn't be allowed to vote.

>>129134921
If being edgy and pretentious made an argument invalid we'd have to shut down /pol/.

>>129130126
DNA

Read up on it.

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Evolution is not a belief system.

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This fish has remained the same for 66 million years.

>>129135279
No but being a degenerate faggot and opposing traditional values solely because they're traditional values, without asking yourself if they have any merit is retarded.

>>129134921
>I'm not religion
If you're "not religion" then you're an atheist. Maybe an agnostic atheist, but you're an atheist. Or you a "deist", meaning you either believe your own personal version of god is the true god that eluded man for thousands of years, or you're not sure what he looks like but you think there's probably one. Then you're an agnostic theist, which isn't that far from many agnostic atheists.

>>129136028
>An organism well suited for a stable environment hasn't changed because a lack of natural selection pressure in it's habitat.

wew lad

>>129132687
This

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>>129130126
>Grew up in Charlotte, NC
>home of Discovery Place, a big, fun museum-type thing for kids
>which has a large aquarium section that ends with a big petting zoo pool thing
>it's full of small, minor, or otherwise non-threatening animals, stuff like sea urchins, starfish, small fish, etc.
>mostly full of horseshoe crabs
>fucking horseshoe crab petting zoo

>now, I find OP's picture genuinely adorable

Atheism and evolution have nothing in common. Stop making these shitpost threads every day

>>129136117
Honestly the "rationalist" and "scientifically minded" people who oppose traditional value have a fairly small amount of empirical data available to make an objective choice, and that data seems to show traditional values work fairly well.
>without asking yoursel if they have any merit
Nah they'd rather sit down in an armchair and have an epiphany F-E-E-L-I-N-G like traditional don't make sense.

>>129136636
Evolution explains the variety of species on the planet. This contradicts the bible in which god creates each animal according to it's kind.

>>129136586

Hey, I went there and got to pet a horseshoe crab on a field trip in middle school. Fun times.

>>129136028
Why would it? It's apparently doing fine

>>129134156
>300 gorillion year old crab

I laughed so hard lmao

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I am a Christian and I believe in evolution.

Genesis and the stories of creation in the Bible are poems by people who were barely out of the stone age.

They describe the spiritual story of mankind.

Thinking Genesis describes the physical creation of the Earth is not only bad science, it is bad religion.

>>129136636
Exactly. We wuz scientists, cretard christfags better not get in our way and libtards better go back to their sex stew.

>>129135045
For evolution to be real you'll have to show us the first organism evolve into something that's alive today. There's nothing supporting evolution, it is a lie, a joke, a non issue. You're all a bunch of moronic simpletons who believes in something that will never be proven. I know it sucks being you, a hopeless believer in this insanity but you are hopeless. No go ahead, retort with Allele frequency or something equally as daft so that i may laugh at you.

>>129137029
I like you, guy.

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>>129136718
well yeah I could care less if you believe in God or not, I just find the behavior of many atheist to be extremely irritating.

>>129137029
>I'm afraid to anger my flying sky wizard but I'm also afraid to seem unintelligent

>>129137029
Yeah it's not like God could make a bunch of goatfuckers understand general relativity and have them make the big bang their creation story with all the math and physics.

>>129135517
DNA is the code Christ used to write life. Much like a programmer, our Lord reused behaviors or classes, if you will. Our DNA is nothing more than code. So please, try again, you incorrigible moronic simpleton. Show us proof of evolution from the first instance of life unto something alive today that is not hearsay, conjecture and make believe. Go ahead, I'll wait.

>>129137216
>flag from nigger country

Checks out.

It just needs to reach level 40 to evolve

>>129137029

Pretty sure it's literally just an American thing to deny evolution, every other nations Christians and other religions just see science as the study of God's work. Even muslims are not this autistic.

>>129137410
isn't it ironic though that idiots believes in the big bang when they can't show it in a lab or recreate it because then it'd mean the end of everything? Even funnier, have big bangers explain to you as to why another big bang hasn't happened and also provide actual observable testable proof as to why another hasn't happened again seeing as how the first arrived without provocation or warning but successive ones hasn't happened all of now. So what's preventing another one, and another one, and another one, and another one. And mind you, the response as to why has to be given with observable testable proof and not made up conjecture that can never, ever be proven.

>>129137443
>show me proof, but only proof that meets my criteria so is impossible to produce
Ok.

>>129130126
>survival of the fittest
>evolve random shit that has no survival value
What...

>>129137029
All religion is bad religion... there is only spirituality.

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>>129137285
>TJ
<Behold, the atheist's worst nightmare
Maybe christian banana man was just talking about atheist banana man

>>129137029

U just called the word of God "poems from people out of the Stone Age"

Watch your shit stupid faggot

>>129137601
IN lieu of actual facts there of--which I know you'll never, ever have---we resort to childish drudgery. As you were, varmint.

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>>129137285
>could care less

>>129132062
I've literally seen horseshoe crabs IRL

>>129135045
>vestigial organs are body structures
Fact: Most organs once thought to be vestigial were later found to be functional. The assumption they were vestigial due to the lack of an obvious function retarded medical science.

> from simpler organisms in earlier periods to more complex organisms
Diversity of life reaches it's climax just after the Cambrian Explosion. Animals then were just as complex as they are now. The diversity and multiplicity of forms has continually diminished since this time period, in exact contradiction to what the theory of evolution predicts.

>homologous structures suggest evolution from a common ancestor
Could also be evidence of design. Similar needs or functions call for similar forms.

>similarities in chemical makeup of different species are evidence of a common ancestor
Could also be evidence of design. Similar needs or functions call for similar forms. Why reinvent the wheel with each creature?

>similarities in the embryo development in different species implies evolution from a common ancestor
Admitted as false by all modern biologists.

>>129137818
Your comment containing the word "idiot" is of a surprisingly delicious irony anon.
Go back to your creation book because you're to stupid to understand the actual universe.

>>129137216
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8fm3Z7jgWM

>>129136187
>>> /r/atheist

>>129138233
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI

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Bait as fuck

But it's pretty sad there are people who really look at shit like this and think "Haha stupid atheists"

>>129130126
atheists don't believe in evolution. they genuinely think they have proven it to be true even though its working on more half assed assumptions to justify it than a invisible man in the sky

>>129130894
why would you give a crab a machete before eating it

>>129137853
Then it isn't real. You either provide observable testable proof for all here to see and touch and observe and recreate and digest, and chew and meditate on, or you're as much of a believer as theist are. You see faith is believing in something that isn't at all beheld but for you, it's as good as real. With actual observation and testing and recreation, one doesn't need faith because it's literally there. But you don't even have that, so all you have and will ever have is something you believe in. I.E., you're one of the faithful much like the theist.

>>129138231
Oh young one, you'll have to do better than that. I need to see the first instantiation of life, i.e., You'll have to show us brownian motion self creating life then going on to create allele frequency in said life to evolve from the purported what was into what is.

>>129138233
That's not proof there of that's you admitting defeat.

You're going to have to show us as it happened proofs, evidences, facts of one organism becoming its successor species and proof there of that is both skeletal and genetic of one creature evolving into its successor species.

>"animals evolve to be stronger and better able to survive!"
>"birds are related to dinosaurs!!"
>the t-rex evolved into a chicken
yeah i still haven't fallen for the darwin jew.

>>129137443
Evolution is speculative historiography masquerading as science, based Bahamas bro.

>>129138185
Not sure why I bother with replying to subhumans like you, but there are tons of cases where features of animals are more consistent with their evolutionary cousin than with animals in similar habitats and niche.
The whale for example, their limbs have more in common with mammalian limbs than fins of fish despite their similar shape.

>>129138706
>show me things that are impossible to show, otherwise they don't exist
You just disproved god along with evolution.

>>129138706
this is now an "evolution" thread
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>>129138380
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eMt-OYlULc

>>129137889

Jesus Christ you are stupid.

>>129138357
Lol I didn't even made any comment about my religious beliefs, I am just better informed about terminology than you are.

Horseshoe crabs are my favorite animal.

>>129138787
And yet on this shaky foundation they would build ramparts and trebuchets in an attempt to destroy us all, good sir. They're rather insane. What a frighten bunch they are.

>>129138968
Whales have entirely different hunting, eating, and migrating patterns then fish. They operate over a far greater range of temperatures than any other one species of fish. Why would they be like fish?

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>>129131679

Agreed. Crawfish on the other hand is a true patrician food.

>>129139387
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOfRN0KihOU
Enlighten yourself anonymous bahamas guy

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>>129134616
nothing decides numbskull, if a trait isn't preferable the little shit doesn't breed. if it's less useful but it still breeds it's phased out over consequent generations, I literally do this shit in real time with snakes as my job.

>>129138706
>Oh young one
Oh you'll have to do better than that to be condescending, like spamming sweaty and filming yourself drinking tea.

>You'll have to show us brownian motion self creating life then going on to create allele frequency in said life to evolve from the purported what was into what is.

Lol, id be surprised if you actually knew what any of those words mean. And if you do, based on what you wrote, you have no idea hat evolution is. And since you also seem to think abiogenesis has to be observed in a lab to prove evolution, then you don't know what the scientific method is.

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>>129130126
>Pokémon are real

the meme magic has gone too far

actually guess what, question time retards, Im a zoologist (herpetologist to be exact) I'll answer your stupid fucking questions

>>129139681
Starts off with wolves becoming dogs. Creating a new breed of dogs can be done in 5 generations. It requires no mutations or new genes. This is not evolution.

>>129139466
Why the fuck do their limbs have so much in common with mammalian limbs?

>>129139981
What is the final solution to the creationist question?

>>129140025
Why not?

>>129139098
And yet all that is at all complicated and purposeful was created by purposeful people. Human DNA is well over three billion tiers of purposeful information and Windows 10 is plus 43 million lines of purposeful code. Are we to believe that something as purposeful as Windows ten could self create? According to you atheist such a thing is possible because human DNA self created yet Windows ten required thousands of people, modern contrivances and technologies and ideologies, commonalities and networkings that were so vast that aspects of it began thousands of years ago as proposals written down by men who proposed number systems and how to use these logically. All of that was needed for Windows ten to exist and yet Human DNA self created out of thin air?

Atheism is a mental illness.

>>129139120
Indeed.


>>129139681
All that's hearsay.

Actual evidence would be as it happened. So you'll have to build a time machine and carry a lab and data recorders with you including a camera and log as it happened.

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>>129137285

I still watch his podcast like the little fucking faggot I am.

>>129140025
you are a fool, the action of breeding and taking up new traits is evolution, well adaptation but that's the same just in the short term.

>>129140264
a better education system.

>>129140130
Because they're mammals?
They're warm blooded, social, child nurturing, adaptive creatures requiring similar biochemistry to function in the way that they do. Due to this they share certain morphological features.

>>129140025
To be honest, wolves did not became dogs in 5 generations. And dogs are part of the same species

>>129139981
How do we remove idiots from the gene pool, and would you be willing to help institute it?

>>129140025
>evolution isn't evolution because it's inconvenient to my argument
The fucking state of creationists.

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>>129133569

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>>129140025
Creating a new breed of dogs is completely diferent from wolves becaming dogs

>>129138754
Wrong. Being stronger is not equal to better chances to survive. Is not fucking pokemon. Animals adapt to the enviroment, and being big and strong when there are no prays big enought to sustain your species may lead animals to go extinct.

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>atheist believe that we evolved from this

>>129140386
Actually no. If we understand today the basics of genetics, crossing over, and natural and artifical selection we dont need time machines

>>129140437
Protozoa to human evolution requires the creation of novel genetic material. The breeding of new species of dog within the kind dog requires no novel genetic information whatsoever. This can be proven genetically, and is generally accepted.

>>129130126
>what is a niche
K, keep me updated faggot.

>>129141025
alongside, not from

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>>129140386
so the watchmaker fallacy again and again. yes we can self develop it because as life becomes more complex we get what's colloquially referred to as "junk dna" from past adaptations, in reality it ends up being rather helpful, but this is the metric by which higher life forms become more evolved, how much genetic material is active in their genome and how much is around to do god knows what, it's not all useful like a computer, a lot of it is pretty fucking weird, like a gene that gives you the proper muscle blink sideways, sound useful? no? didn't think so faggot.
>>129140516
guns, gas, passionate youth, nationalism, eugenics, of course.

>>129140482
No, nor did I say wolves became dogs in 5 generations. What I said was that new breeds can be created in 5 generations, and this has been done. Creating new breeds of a certain kind of animal does not require any new genetic information. Neo-Darwinian evolution requires new genetic material.

>>129140516
>evolution isn't evolution because it's inconvenient to my argument
No, dog breeding isn't evolution because it doesn't add useful information to the genetic code. There is a fundamental difference, which you conveniently ignore.

>>129140875
>a Mexican schooling a Burger
>May about to sudoku before a live audience
What a day.

CORE ASSUMPTIONS OF EVOLUTION ARE SHIT AND REQUIRE MORE FAITH THAN THAT REQUIRED TO BELIEVE IN GOD.

ABIOGENESIS
RNA WORLD?
THE MANY CHICKEN-EGG DILEMMAS

BIOLOGISTS SEPARATE EVOLUTION FROM ORIGINS TO KEEP CREATIONISTS AT BAY. THEY HATE GOD.

>>129141025
Actually no. Atheists do not believe in god.
But the general consensus in the scientific community is that humans, monkey, gorillas and chimpanzes evolved from a common ancestor. So no, humans did not evolved from chimpanzes atheists are not saying this, scientist are not saying this. The only ones concernerd in spreading this disinformation are creationists or people who genuinely do not understand the basics from natural selection

>>129140651
A domestic breed of foxes, with traits very similar to dogs, was created in 5 generations.

A dog is a breed of wolf.

>>129140472
Meant to say land mammals. None of the features you mentioned have anything to do with limb bone structure, so that doesn't explain the striking physiological and genetic similarity.

>>129141212
between different breeds, perhaps, but from wolf to schnauzer, there is a different story. the theory of evolution concerns itself with such matters, we know it happens because it's observable, but the mechanics by which it occurs are poorly understood

>>129141331
> "junk dna"
The modern sequencing of DNA has debunked the theory of junk DNA. This is an established fact, accepted in all of the genetics journals. Look it up.

YOU GUYS ARE GETTING CAUGHT UP IN THE BULLSHIT.

ABIOGENESIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!! EVOLUTION DEBUNKED.

>>129141695
morphology and biochemistry are codependent in biological organisms.

Smart people with science backgrounds: "Evolution is 100% backed by science, we know how it works, we observe it happening...why is this even being discussed?"
Morons with gr 10 education: "I know nothing about science, I accept everything made with science is real and functions, and all science I accept except evolution because this old book ive read 2% of tells me that a magic man in the sky made everything...so evolution is not real"

>>129130126
as a liberal i believe in evolution but i don't believe in heredity.

>>129141064
You can't know what you've never studied or seen, you can believe it as as you say it is but its not.

>>129141331
A programmer no longer points to or delimits bits of code, it happens all the time. That being said the code could simply be there for something else, something you don't know. For us to have evolved would require you to prove it skeletally and genetically. All you've known and all you can share with us is conjecture and make believe. Prove as it happened from the first instantiation of life until our selfsame day or it never happened.

>>129141625
nah bro juss like.. it was like... all hot.. and watery.. and then like... a thingy... did a... hop a skip and a jump... wiggled around a little... lightning bolt full of radioactive bouncy balls hit it... did a little jiggle... shook what it's mama gave it... and BAM... first little life thingy that fucked itself into existence. science denier go kill urself

>>129142023
> equating cosmology with functional science.

>>129141025
Dumbshit confirmed. A common ancestor does not mean humans evolved from chimps.

>>129139799
Someone trying to be condescending to a fucking leaf. He doesn't even know.

>>129141625
abiogenesis is different than evolution because we don't know how life started you retard. we do know it didn't happen 6000 years ago in 7 days, so fuck off.
>>129141942
on what grounds?
>>129141854
well to a certain extent, it's a laymans term, there isn't anything say, useless, but there are quite a few with uses you wouldn't want in effect.

RNA WORLD - AMINO ACIDS CREATED AT "RANDOM" IN A CONTROLLED LAB, IMPLYING INTELLIGENT DESIGN. STILL CANNOT PROVE HOW THEY ARRANGED THEMSELVES INTO PROTEINS.

DONT BE BLINDED BY FALSE RELIGION OF EVOLUTION> IM OUT!

Even if evolution was proved false (which is hasent). Why is the next explanation magic? Where else in society is MAGIC accepted?? Everything on earth follows a natural law that is explainable...why would the one thing we dont know yet be magic? how is that not retarded?

>>129141676
Dogs have a gene that allows them to process and digest starch, wolves do not.
This mutation, along with others, speparates them as a species despite genetic closeness.

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>>129137029

The Hebrew / Christian creation story is a poem for desert wandering people from millennia ago.

Hell, in religious classes I learned that even just the Christian Bible with the book of Genesis has two different stories that don't quite match up. Never mind the mish mash of Hebrew texts.

God Almighty is so amazing that God is beyond our understanding. Even with evolution and quantum physics, we are barely understanding how our universe and biology was created over millions and billions of years. And even then what Christians call God exists beyond even that.

>>129132687
This again.

>>129142298
>Evolutionists held that as much as 80% of DNA was non-coding holdovers from previous forms. It is now known that 100% of DNA is coding. Evolutionists continue to use the junk DNA argument with lay people anyway.

You all are fucking retarded I swear to fuck

>>129139666
disgusting

>>129142017
You can keep repeating that, but that does mean you aren't wrong. Give me a real reason why whale limbs need a similar bone structure to a mammals. Saying stuff like warm bloodiness has anything to do with it it just beyond absurd.

>>129142298
BURNEN OF PROOF ON YOU TO PROVE ABIOGENESIS IS POSSIBLE, ASSHOLE. NOT ME. MATTER CANNOT COME FROM NOTHING - ESPECIALLY LIVING MATTER.

EVOLUTION IS NOT BEING SEPARATED FROM ORIGINS BECAUSE SCIENTISTS ARE AWARE OF THE THEORETICAL FLAWS.

>1 post by this id
please start banning those that reply to troll threads. saged

>>129142342
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNijmxsKGbc

>>129142067
well I can show you evolution in motion, and if it happens now, it most likely has happened like that since we have worked by dna for quite a while. it isn't conjecture jimmy because my job is to breed new interesting varieties of snake, it wouldn't work if evolution didn't occur

>>129133157
I'm surprised you haven't been meme'd for that one yet.
>Le God has a sense of humor. XD

>>129138111
Are your parents brother and sister?

Trilobites and horseshoe crabs are not the same animal you fucking idiot. One is the ancestor of the other.

>>129142712
Evolution *now being separated from origins

>>129142225
>LEAFFFFFFF
Oh boy how shall I recover?

>>129135745
Yes it is...

Its like a puzzle, we know how it was made, what its made of, where it was made and by whom, we know how to complete it and what is necessary to complete it. We have found a complete puzzle and the theory is "Welp we dont know who put it together....so obviously it was magic". Its fucking retarded, the gaps in knowledge cannot be filled with god, its pure retardation.

>>129142067
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIEoO5KdPvg

>>129137818
Hi friend. I just want to say that the Big Bang is an explanation of the current state of the universe (that is, it's constantly and steadily expanding) not an explanation of its ultimate origins.

Bye!

>>129130126
That's just a spider disguised as a crab

>>129142724
TELL ME HOW THE AMINO ACIDS MAGICALLY DECIDED TO ALIGN AND FORM CRITICAL PROTEINS. YOU CANT CAUSE THEY WONT!

>>129142712
I'm not saying it came from nothing, I'm saying we don't know, and not to immediately assume something is impossible, because I doubt you really understand how idiotic that statement is.

organic material could have, for example, come on a meteor, or have developed during the right conditions in pools.

you're right, matter doesn't come from no where, but it can change form

>>129142875
In a hospital, with a health care system that doesn't put you into 30 years of debt.

>>129142298
You believe that the entire universe expanded 10 to the exponent 32 times faster than the speed of light. You believe it all happened in a time period that was infinitely faster than anything we know. One of your people even suggested that time was compressed so moments in our normal time was trillions of years during the initial incident. Before you even dream about addressing seven days, maybe you should prove trillions of times faster than a tenth of a fraction of an instant. And here's what happened in that time. The universe decides to self create from nowhere and it expands but slows down so as not to fly apart using its newly created ability, black matter, then once formed into particles, it engages in mutual assured destruction as the particles battles the anti particles, then because it risked collapsing into a massive black holes or many black holes, it creates dark energy to compel it to return to trillions upon trillions of times faster than a fraction of an instant. So before you even start to address seven days, you'd better prove all of that.


>>129142400
And yet your hands made your bed and cooked your food and wipes your butt and brushes your teeth. That's not done by magic, now is it. I'm not saying anything other than A Celestial being Greater than Us, Created Us. To say otherwise means you don't have to clean yourself at all and nothing for no reason can wipe your butt, clean your teeth, make your bed and cook your food to your specification.

>There are actually people on /pol/ that think evolution isn't real
Are you dumb faggots flat Earthers as well?

>>129136229
>stable environment
for 66 millions years?
Nigga, are you high?

>>129132062
Many species have been found that where once thought extinct, so what.

>>129142660
Whales are mammals, because they need to be warm blooded. Why wouldn't mammals have mammal limbs?

>>129130464
>be archeus
>create pokemon and man
>make a water pokemon part rock

what did it mean by this?

>>129142945
Christ reused classes much like a programmer reuses behaviors he either likes or finds interesting or purposeful. Jesus is our maker, Col 1:15. which Says, God created Jesus and through him all else was created. i.e., you and I, and a programmer Jesus proved to be, his code, DNA.

>>129142964
You mean to say it's made up and is not at all a real thing? You don't say.

>>129143477
>Thinking pol is somewhat a collective of the world's finest.
Guess it puts question mark above all those redpills huh?

>>129143645
Your willful ignorance saddens me, anon. Keep fighting the dumb fight I guess, and have a wonderful day.

>>129143272
well I can actually, there are entire volumes on the conversion factors, it;s called protein synthesis, are you okay with a long winded explanation?

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>>129130464
Nice

>>129143510
see
>>129142945

>>129143477
>only just now realizing that /pol/'s average IQ is about room temperature
so they finally banned the_donald huh :v)

I really get ticked off when people say.
"Do you believe in science"
You either understand it or you don't. There's nothing to believe in

>>129143720
>Guess it puts question mark above all those redpills huh?
W-what if my redpill is just somebody else's blue?

>>129130126
Not an expert on this but here I go.......Isn't Evolution supposed to be about acheving a winning formula? Dont those things live for a really long time? If those things have no need for change, them why change? There is no factor working against it that requires an adaptation, so why would it need to evolve?

>>129143645
So apart from quoting the bible, do you have any proof that DNA was invented?

Why is the bible suddenly proof when it was written like 3,000 years ago by half-brained desert inbreds?

>>129143510
I was talking about the bone structure which has striking similarity. Of course I wasn't saying their limbs would be cold blooded.

>>129143747

LOL, TOOK BIO 120 - CAN SUPPOSEDLY EXPLAIN SOMETHING ENTIRE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY CANT. HERE DUMBASS - ...no one has ever satisfactorily explained how the widely distributed ingredients linked up into proteins. Presumed conditions of primordial Earth would have driven the amino acids toward lonely isolation. That’s one of the strongest reasons that Wächtershäuser, Morowitz, and other hydrothermal vent theorists want to move the kitchen [that cooked life] to the ocean floor. If the process starts down deep at discrete vents, they say, it can build amino acids—and link them up—right there (Simpson, 1999, p. 26).

>>129141331
>guns, gas, passionate youth, nationalism, eugenics, of course.

We creationists know you atheists will come to this. We know there is nothing we can do to stop you. We are shouting into the abyss, so you'll have no excuse before God Almighty.

>>129143375
well actually theres no such thing as self creation, I;d suggest you study some quantum physics because you seem confused.

allow me to explain the way the universe works. there are four stages, and so far as ou calculations tell there always have been, forever, of expansion, entropy, collapsing, and then a rapid expansion, or big bang if you like, so basically four phases of a constant universe. get it? and I mean it's easy for space to travel faster than light given it was essentially a boiling nothingness, and that the concept of something like distance loses meaning at those speeds.

>>129143736
Willful ignorance? You and yours of your faith has never in all this time provided one ounce of actual as it happened evidence. And from then to now all you've ever used was make believe. Laughably, a bunch of you atheist gets together and group wanks fantasy after fantasy and here comes you, a believer audacious enough to call these group wanks, facts. How laughable.

>>129137611
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>>129144393
The fact that some inbred Nigger from the Bahamas thinks magical Skygods word is in the prose of desert dwellers thousands of years ago is hilarious.

Why wasn't god more specific about creation? Why does his method sound like a retard did it?

>>129144298
well actually that's pretty much what I was going to say but with a lot more quotes, thank for the time saving friend.
>>129144334
well actually I'm not an atheist, I don't know how any zoologist could be

>Almost all the people denying a scientific theoryas established as the explenation for gravity are protestant
wow makes you think

>>129132062
U r an idiot.

>>129134174
What the what
Trilobites went extinct like 200 million years ago, how can you trace anything's dna to it?

>>129144745
ENEMY.

A-BI-O GEN-E-SIS ..... MAT-TER CAN'T SPONTANEOUSLY EXIST!

YOUR FAITH IN SCIENCE NEEDS TO BE QUESTIONED.

>>129139981
Ever worked with komodo dragons? I really want to go into herpatology.

>>129136801
weak b8

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>>129143914
>If those things have no need for change, them why change?
You're personifying a natural process. It's not about "need" or "why". The process just continues to happen anyway.

>There is no factor working against it that requires an adaptation
Even if there's low amounts of evolutionary pressure, creatures will still change and mutate, just slower than if there was some kind of pressure.

> so why would it need to evolve?
Again, there's no "need" here. "Need" implies there's some kind of intelligence behind the evolution.

However, one thing you should consider is that even if a lifeform has found what seems to be an 'optimal' configuration, it's just a local maxima. There's always room for life to get better at what it does.

>>129144604

>>129144152
All purposeful information was created. Nothing purposeful self created. Computer programs are writtten as are books, and yet Human DNA can be described as both. And you'd have us believed it self created. Shame. Show us a book that self wrote and a program that self wrote and then speak to me of self creation.

>>129144360
I seem confused? You're the one who believes in never to be proven big bangs. tell me, why hasn't another big bang happened all of now especially when the first happened without reason or cause. Your answer cannot be make believe like everything you have, but rather it has to be observable testable evidence as to why another singularity hasn't self created in all this time.

>>129145538
The fact that DNA exists naturally as an unstable molecule outside of living things sort of puts a damper on your ideas.

On the periodic table many elements do not exist naturally and need to be purified and broken down.

Are they man-made?

Anyone here read the Devil's Delision?

>>129144700
Once more, have you testable, observable, recreate able proof of the big bang as it happened, that is the singularity self creating from nowhere and proof of brownian motion creating DNA and a life? And have you proof of one creature evolving into its successor species and evidence that is both skeletal and genetic as one creature became less what it was and more of what it became?

Chop, chop, anon, much evidence you have to produce in order to be in the right otherwise you're as faithful as theist are.

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>>129145115
no it can't but it can be converted, as another lovely fellow said, deep sea could hold the answer for amino acids forming and then becoming proteins, and that isn't matter from no where, just right conditions causing a change, in my head though, it was st in motion by the gods.
>>129145259
yes actually, they;re pretty magnificent, if you have any questions I'd be happy to help and if you're interested in getting something very similar, try a asian water monitors, same family, lovely huge lizards. just make sure to handle them when they;re young so they mellow out (pic related)

>>129145538
Why do you think critical review of the reality is wrong, but your magical thinking is right?

To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible
-St. Aquinas, I believe...

Good night!

>>129145841
Dogs.

Case closed.

>>129145797
You cannot say what's natural and what's anything without seeing the entirety from the first instantiation to the last or the latest. To say otherwise would require you to have a lab and data collectors during the first instantiation of said system. You cannot sit at the end of the story and claim to have seen who wrote it. To say otherwise you'd need a time machine. Anything less is conjecture and make believe.

You're feeling it aren't you? You're feeling Doubt? It starts as a low hum, but the longer you're here, the louder the hum gets. I want you to feel this doubt. I want it to fester inside you and rid you of ignorance.

>>129146009
How does one go into herpatology specifically? Or do you start out with general zoology?

>>129146243
>You cannot sit at the end of the story and claim to have seen who wrote it.
The fucking irony of this coming from a Christcuck is delicious.

>>129146243
So you're saying because I cannot answer every question of the cosmos, I should bow down to the will of a kikebook written over 2000 years ago?

How do the vague words of the bible provide any stable scientific knowledge?

>>129145538
Oh wll because our universe, (theoretically of course, give it 18 billion years and we'll know for sure) is supposed to work in a cycle, bang, cool, crunch, bang. so we're in that cooling when we have a bunch of room and left over heat, and then when entropy does its thing the walls of the universe collapse in in a crunch, and it becomes like a singularity, a really small spot with a lot of pressure, and the pressure builds til bang! it comes out again for the next cycle, this is according to quantum physics though so idk, seems like a good explanation though

>>129146068
Magical? Anon, you're the one who believes that nothing for no reason can create perfectly life. Isn't it a wonder that our best scientist with decades of experiences and commonalities and schools and help and labs and technologies and all of the above cannot create life but you're of the mind that nothing for no reason created life perfectly on the first try?

And you dare say I believe in magic?

You people are insane!


>>129146161
For cases to be closed you'd have to show us not only the first instantiation of the big bang and the plank time event but you'd have to show us DNA self create and animals evolve from then to now. And that's evidence that is both skeletal and genetic.

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>>129130126
>replying to a slide thread
sage

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>>129130126
>>>/b/
>>>/bant/
>>>/trash/

>>129133157
It isn't a crustacean but a chelicerata, more akin to scorpions, spiders etc. Weird, I know

>>129143645
The pseudoscience is strong.

>>129146639
>To disprove the bible, you need to show 100% concrete evidence of everything.

Let me ask you a question, What makes the Bible right over say, Vedic texts, which are much much older.

>>129145841
>Aruba
>Jamaica
>Ohh I wanna take ya
>Bermuda
>Bahama
>Come on pretty mama
>Key Largo
>Montego
>baby why don't we go
>Jamica
>Off the Florida keys
>There's a place called Kokomo
>That's where you wanna go
>To get away from it all

>>129142639

Nobody likes you canada

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Argument refuted
Open book

>>129132062

LMAO they are all over the beaches here

their "blood" is a multi million dollar disinefectant (hemolymph)

>>129146364
well it really depends on the school, some will have a tailor made course that goes on through doctorate, but for others you;ll have to work with your guidance counselor and make a custom course that gets you the classes that you need, put a focus on bio and general zoology and if you get the chance attend talks, seminars, and specialized classes on herpetology to specialize, I hope that helps. also if you want to work with hot (venomous) snakes, it doesn't hurt to find a mentor early so you can learn the skilled part of the profession, I started that training back when I was...jeez, 13.

>>129146847
>What makes the Bible right over say, Vedic texts, which are much much older.
His angry West Indian mother didn't beat him when he said he didn't believe in subcontinental mumbo-jumbo.

>>129147054
a few of my buddies make a great living harvesting it.

>>129146496
You're of the mind that nothing can for no reason surpass our best thinkers and scientist and planners. So you're of the mind that Brownian motion, that is a random application of states was able to create life when our best scientist and doctors and technologist with state of the art everything cannot, but random bumping of states could? Even funnier, you'd have us believe all this without proof of brownian motion creating DNA. You atheist are hilarious.

>>129146570
You can do whatever you like, but when you're dumb enough to say no one for no reason did it, then you're a dummy.

>>129146578
More fantasy and make believe. For it to be otherwise as you well know requires as it happened proof from then to now and that's proof of every cycle into the other and so on and so forth.

>>129146834
There's no such thing. Either you have observable testable recreate able proof of as it happened evidence, or it didn't happen and you're make believing.

>>129146847
At the very least you have no choice but to admit that we were made by a superior being and one who is by far more capable than our best technologist, scientist and doctors. To say otherwise would make you a liar.

>>129147145
The Joke is Vedic texts describe the formation of the universe more like the big bang than "A Sky wizard did it"

>>129142639
Nobody likes you Canada.

>>129147066
Alright cool that does help a lot, thanks. Lizards are definitely my thing. I'll be happy if I can ever work closely with komodos.

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>>129137976
I did not mean it as a bad thing. It is an ancient spiritual poem. It is something beautiful and to be revered. It is not meant to be something that informs us about the physical creation of the world or scientific inquiry.

To me, treating Genesis literally is blasphemy. To think that evolution poses any threat or contradiction of the stories of creation in Genesis is wrong.

Also, I thought most theologians considered only the four Gospels the Word Of God. I know even the epistles are not regarded as highly as the Holy Gospel. Even in liturgy we do not rise for the epistle readings but do for the Gospel readings.

>>129146959
Exactly. Exuma's really nice. Best beaches anywhere. Cat Island beaches is nice stop over but it's kinda deserted.

Evolution is true but natural selection doesn't lead to speciation. The mechanism driving evolution is positive, not negative. If natural selection were true then we wouldn't see punctuated equilibrium.

>>129137618
Muslims deny evolution

>>129147309
>At the very least you have no choice but to admit that we were made by a superior being and one who is by far more capable than our best technologist, scientist and doctors. To say otherwise would make you a liar

Vedic texts say otherwise.

>>129147309
>So you're of the mind that Brownian motion, that is a random application of states was able to create life when our best scientist and doctors and technologist with state of the art everything cannot, but random bumping of states could?
Buddy, our best and brightest have been trying to do that for less than a century while the world has existed for billions of years.

>>129147309
well we have some compelling math, but as I said it's just a theory.
>>129147420
I'd definitely suggest trying a water monitor or any of the other Varanus species, if you have experience with them it makes you that much more attractive to work with komodos :)

>>129145382
>pic
Yeah I considered something like that before for evolutionary algorithms but I was told otherwise by more knowledgeable people. Maybe I didn't explain myself properly.

>>129147579
All of our best scientist and technologist and futurist and thinkers and planners and everything that's available that makes us at all modern, cannot create life from baser molecules but you're of the mind that nothing for no reason without a mind or will or degree or doctorate or technology or any of it, did so perfectly on the first try?

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>>129143581

It was originally just a water pokemon as evident from it's pokedex entries.

>KABUTOPS swam underwater to hunt for its prey in ancient times. The POKéMON was apparently evolving from being a water-dweller to living on land as evident from the beginnings of change in its gills and legs.
>It is thought that this Pokémon came onto land because its prey adapted to life on land.

It either evolved into a different creature or it doomed itself when it started trying to catch its prey on land.

F

>>129141676
If these foxes breed with wild foxes, will they have non-sterile offspring 2 or 3 generations down the road? If yes, they're still the same species.
All was done was taming a few foxes and there's nothing special about that.

>>129147895
But we can make DNA quite easily. We just don't have billions of years to go through random sequences.

>>129147661
By even Trying to Create life you've surpassed anything nothing can manage. You're trying to compare and imagined event. So in your mind nothing had four billion years so surely in four billion years nothing for no reason could have created life. My gosh you people are mad.


>>129147759
Math cannot make a car, or fix you breakfast and last I checked, the quants of wallstreet created financial instrument they claimed got the market until it all went to hell and then they claimed it's all make believe.

>>129132828
But this gif shows how stupid creationism is...? You know, because there's a creator and all...?

>>129148036
Neanderthals were quite a distinct Human species; yet we could breed true.

>>129140386
You should play the game "primordia". You will love it

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>>129148243
"math can not make a car" well yeah it can actually, that's how mechanics works

>>129130126

post proofs of the existence of God op

>>129148063
Listen buddy, you're saying that if I were to give nothing for no reason enough time, it'd be able to create Windows ten. Have you any idea how insane that sounds. And you people actually believes this yet you make fun of theist who knows that only a person can do anything purposeful because they are people themselves, individual persons, who can do purposeful things. Whereas you people are of the mind that given enough time nothing for no reason can manage the absolute complex. So here's a test. Don't tie your shoe for ten years because within ten years, Nothing for No Reason will tie your shoes. Within that ten years. Now if nothing for no reason after four billion created billions of tiers of purposeful DNA, surely it can do five steps in ten years and tie your damn shoe.

>All evidence for God being real is man-made.
>Therefore God is a man-made phenomenon.

>>129148638
You know what? Yes.

Make a computer cloud, and then give it the basic laws "Code will form together" and then dump literally millions of code lines in the cloud.

Eventually, given enough time, the rules of the computation will spit out the sequence to make Windows 10, If the lines of code for Windows 10 are inside.

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>>129148638
>Listen buddy, you're saying that if I were to give nothing for no reason enough time, it'd be able to create Windows ten
Yeah, that's exactly what's already happened :^)

>>129148638
Technically yes, that's how Windows 10 came to be. God was never involved. A random collection of chemistry combining and recombining eventually resulted in the OS you use to run your web-browser to shit-post from.

>>129146578
That ideas been disproven iirc. The expansion is actually accelerating, which means eventually it'll spread out too far for gravity to pull it back into a big crunch.

We're heading for a slow and cold heat death instead.

>>129142639
Nobody likes you Canada.

>>129148452
math can be anything you want to be. There's literal math, yes, but there's also you using symbols to describe an imagined thing much like quants of wallstreet do all the time. Now quantitative finance is not at all like Newton Physics but at their core, both are math. See how that works?

>>129148309
I would rather some awesome atheist build a time machine and go back and carry bothy data collectors cameras and a lab and record as it happened evidence from muck to man.

>>129148868
You believe nothing for no reason found the right combination and created DNA, it didn't even have a program or directive or anything, it just sorta made life.

But here's one for you that's similar to what you're suggesting, Grab a cloud that randomly apply states and simulate in it ten trillion years and see if you'll have windows ten or something similar to windows ten purposefulness and complexity in accelerated time that equates too, ten trillion years. here's the short version, you'll have useless gobbledygook.

>>129148885
That's what you believed happened. To prove otherwise would require you to build a time machine and record as it happened data from then to now. Otherwise it's all make believe, which it is by the way.

>>129148893
No, it was created by a purposeful thinking persons, like we were created by a purposeful thinking Person. See how awesome that was?

>>129149353
that was thought until really recently until we began to apply quantum principles to the problem, seems as though space will eventually wrap back in on itself, essentially that expansion is the crunch. fun huh?

>>129149566
>No, it was created by a purposeful thinking persons, like we were created by a purposeful thinking Person. See how awesome that was?
These people are a random collection of chemistry. Thanks for playing.

>>129149566
>math can be anything you want to be.
That's not how mathematics works, you island nigger.

>>129130126
>be white burger christfag married with white girl
>have one really darkskinned child
>tfw no observable evidence of tyrone fucking your wife exists so you believe it is your own kid

>>129149697
give link

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>>129130464

>Yo bitch, we ain't even screwed yet, how the fuck are you pregnant?!
>GOD DID IT!
Boom. Religion. Gives another take on Eve and the apple don't you think? :^)

>>129148885
>>129148868
> Yes I believe such a random sequence happened, got no real proof though
> Theists are dumb to believe their theories with no real proof

I'm starting to have doubts about evolution.

>>129149566
well that isn't how that works, currecy and the rules of the universe couldn't be farther apart, i you're saying that because they use the same symbol set they're made up you, well sorry but you're kind of an ass

>>129149718
>We are something random
>Hence unable to prove

Convenient

>>129149718
for it to be random application of anything would require you to provide actual data as it happened. Otherwise it didn't happen. And it literally didn't happen so dont' even try.

>>129149755
You can use math to describe something imagined. As I said quants do the very same thing, they take something unrelated and add it to an equation and then sell it to you as a solution when it's really not. So I can say, so as long as you believe this is real and given this factor and this bit of fantasy here and this bit of silliness there, then I can describe something that is theoretical.

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>>129148713
>God
>evidence

There is no conclusive proof God exists.

That is why it is known as FAITH.
You do not need proof to know God.

>>129148278
Theoretically, yes. Some of our DNA, theoretically, came from Neanderthals. That's exactly one point of contention, an unexplained part of our DNA's history. Currently, when different species breed, like cats and rabbits or horses and donkeys, the offspring is sterile right away or 2 to 3 generations down the line. As far as I know, there's no good explanation to why Neanderthals would have been able to mate with "us".
But just ignore the holes and embrace the whole theory.

>>129149826
this is a pretty neat paper on it if you have the time

http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~steinh/vaasrev.pdf

>>129150197
>You can't prove something that's already proven by QM.
k

>>129150295
you gotta respect some people are incapable of faith

>>129150102
You cannot use symbols as evidence of what happened when you were not there as it happened. That's like saying you'll use equations as a lawyer to prove your client isn't guilty of rape and murder. Not witness or alibis but equations. Evidence of the big bang would be proof of it happening and then evidence as to why another hasn't happened in all that time.

>>129143581
All fossil pokemon are part rock because they are fossils.

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>>129146782
It's a cyanide and happiness reference.

http://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1496753920967.webm

>>129150537
well I really just have to assume you're bad at math! look let me show you!

Consider the perturbed FRW metric:
gμν=(−1−2Ψ(x,t)00a2(t)(1+2Φ(x,t))δij)gμν=(−1−2Ψ(x,t)00a2(t)(1+2Φ(x,t))δij)
,where ΨΨ and ΦΦ are the gravitational potentials, together with the Einstein equation for GR:
Rμν−12Rgμν=TμνRμν−12Rgμν=Tμν
to find the perturbed equations of the expansion of the universe.

You, then, combine these equations with the perturbed Boltzmann equations, that are very complicated, to find a system of equations relating each species (matter, dark matter, neutrinos, photons) distribution and combine them all to find a complete description of the inhomogeneous universe.

Of course, this is an extremely complicated procedure and there are books that have done it with great detail. For example, Modern Cosmology, chapters 4-8 are dedicated to finding and solving (when possible!) these equations.

>>129151076
That's nice. we're discussing a singularity self creating from nowhere for no reason and expanding 10 to the exponent 32 times faster than a fraction of a second, or suspiciously just fast enough to over come its own gravity. Now, where in your equation does this bit of fiction fit?

And I'm going to research it but it does not provide observable, testable recreate able proof of the magical self creating singularity that had several universal masses.

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>>129151001
Holy fuck that actually tricked me. Totally thought I was looking at a spider, even after the snake revealed itself. Reminds me of this caterpillar which evolved to look like a snake head.

>>129132062
?????

burgers are really retarded, its becoming worse than the leaves

>>129130126

bro you just caught a kabuto good job

>>129130464
nice

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>>129130126
Lol wut. Evolution happens when favorable traits allow a species to survive in their respective environments. Just because those traits are passed on doesn't mean the ones that didn't have that trait just died, it just means less of them survived.

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>>129130126

Are you stupid fucks trying to make Christians look bad?

I'm starting to think these threads aren't started by actual believers, but by atheists trying to make the stupidest possible argument against evolution as a false flag to make religious people look retarded.

Even the most basic understanding of what natural selection is explains this idiotic "Then why are there still monkey" crap.

It's simple. Their environmental niche they were exploiting didn't change in such a way that caused them to die so they didn't change. There are still monkeys because the environment that allows monkeys to exist still exists. Evolution doesn't mean creature A magically morphs into creature B you fucking retarded fuck.

A elementary school textbook could have explained this to you.

Stop being a faggot.

>>129151392
I've already explained there is a reason this whole no reason thing is starting to annoy me a bit because all of the calculations we run say that the expansion is due to quantum fluctuations, IE there's too much pressure in this singularity

that equation, is called the friedmann metric, basically it is a set of variables that together with einsteins equation for GR, and some other stuff, simulates an inhomogeneous universe , and how it would look, and it ends up like ours.

with those equations actually we do get some great stuff, using them we can do small scale experiments, like mini singularities and big bangs at cern

>>129139666
crawfish tastes like shit

>>129152030
You're going to have to provide us with as it happened evidence, that is evidence of each creature evolving into its successor species and that's both skeletal and genetic proof. Of course you don't have it nor will you ever have it. You're a believer like everyone else here. You believe it happened. That nonsense you spouted is make believe, to be real you'd have to provide as it happened evidence that is both video observation and genetic test of each create submitting to its purported allele frequency and becoming something else entirely. And this evidence has to be an unbreakable chain that stretches from the first instance of life unto the last or present thing alive today. Have at thee, simpleton.

>>129131931
It's a Corgi I believe

>>129143510
Why would "mammals" have "mammal" limbs?

The entire point of the class of mammalia is to group animals that have similar ancestors together. Without evolution, there'd be no reason to group whales with other mammals. There's no reason why an intelligently designed sea animal would share morphology with land animals. What possible reason would there be for 1. whales to exist at all, 2. all whales to have extremely similar body structure, and 3. whales to have so many similarities with land mammals if their ancestors never had to walk on land? Why would they have to breathe air from the atmosphere rather than from the water like every other sea creature?

>>129152203
More make believe that never happened. Proof of the big bang would be as it happened evidence, not symbolism you and yours creates to explain your imagination. But as it happened proof as your purported singularity self created. Then as it expanded trillions upon trillions of times faster than a fraction of a second, then as it created black matter and slowed down, and then as it engaged in mutual assured destruction when battling anti particles and then after it created dark energy to avoid becoming a black hole. You need to provide as it happened evidence. Make believe can be described in equation. Actual measurements and mathematical actuals of states is what you can do with temperatures and so on. Not purported celestial events you have no evidence of.

>>129152959
Why are you on about the big bang theory anyway?

I thought we were talking about evolution.

Keep moving them goalposts, island-nigger.

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>>129152959
you know what fucker, here then, I might not prove that, but I'm no claiming it with certainty, you know what I DO know with certainty? no creation. this tree is over 9,000 years old you little bitch, how do you cope?

>>129153064
Evolution is even further beyond you than Celestial events. You have yet to show us both skeletal and genetic proof of one creature evolving into its successor species from muck to man. Admit it, it's all make believe and conjecture, always was.

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>>129132062
Evolution occurs when natural selection forces change. When a species achieves homeostasis with its environment, change may no longer occur.

Some things that have found an ideal niche exist almost unchanged.

For example, wolf spiders today are virtually identical to intact wolf spider fossils that have been discovered that existed in the time of dinosaurs.

>>129153507
Once more, you have yet to show us nothing for no reason creating life. Ain't that funny, you're of the mind that nothing for no reason surpassed our best scientist and doctors who up to our selfsame day labors intensively to create life from baser molecules and yet you're of the mind that nothing without reason managed to create all life perfectly on the first try. It must hurt.

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>>129137029
the Torah has incredible mathematical implications to it.

>e poems by people

the holy spirit was an overseer to every yot, and tiddle. and you can prove it in its gematria.

>Thinking Genesis describes the physical creation of the Earth is not only bad science, it is bad religion.

believing in things that contradict not only the bible, but the theology of every single country is not only bad religion, but Evolution in itself is bad science.

Evolution is pushing a narrative that attacks the word of God.

>>129152030
>"Then why are there still monkey" crap.

evolution requires a change in the genome that creates a new species. there aren't any examples of this happening anywhere.

not a single animal has had a genome change that created a new species.

>>129136028
HOW DO THEY KNOW IT'S 6 MILLION YEARS OLD AND THAT IT HADN'T CHANGED?

>>129134178
Thats kinda fucked how they cut it open with scissors and while its still alive put spices or whatever in its back wound

>>129130126
yuck get this creepy looking bitch out of here

>>129153749
no my reasoning is that the gods work is a tad more subtle than throwing things together like a toy shop, but rather building a self sustained universe.
>>129153965
fossils

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>>129153965
Fossils.

>>129154140
well, if that's your belief then you're awesome to say someone more complicated than us did it. Good night then.

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>>129153732
>For example, wolf spiders today are virtually identical to intact wolf spider fossils that have been discovered that existed in the time of dinosaurs.

>debunks evolution in own post, but goes through the indoctrinated mental gymnastics to try to justify it

>>129154835
>Once more, you have yet to show us nothing for no reason creating life. Ain't that funny, you're of the mind that nothing for no reason surpassed our best scientist and doctors who up to our selfsame day labors intensively to create life from baser molecules and yet you're of the mind that nothing without reason managed to create all life perfectly on the first try. It must hurt.

If our scientists had 5 billion years they'd probably create some pretty cool shit, it only took what 200 years from the industrial revolution to bio wombs and autonomous robots?

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>>129154140
>no my reasoning is that the gods work is a tad more subtle than throwing things together like a toy shop, but rather building a self sustained universe.

pretty much in all theology that claims to talk to be from the creator of the universe has no basis in evolution, or the heliocentric model.

at the end of the day, evolution is pseduscience that pushes a narrative in order to culturally social engineer people who are too insecure about their own intelligence to understand that we are created beings. Evolution creates an insulting God of randomness.

a lot of people say Evolution is the "how" of how god works, but fail to regard his word, and fail to acknowledge he has spoken to the people

>>129155631
>it only took what 200 years from the industrial revolution to bio wombs and autonomous robots?

>daddy how was I born?
>you're a test-tube baby because I didn't have the human requirements of getting a woman to have my children
>is that why I don't have a mommy?
>yes son, that is why you don't have a mommy

this ladies and gentlemen, is how you get soulless suicidal children.

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>>129156332
wow bro nice non sequitur, surely there are easier ways to say you have autism though

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>>129156749
>calling someone autistic because he understands bio-womb babies are going to be literal abominations that hate existence.