Questions for Christians

>>129101864
It talks about homosexuality in the New one too dummy

>>129102085
op is a actual faggot who is conflicted because he is christian or used to be

I just don't get how homosexuality is "evil" or a sin? Why is it? I like guys, why would that change anything?

>>129102518
You still fuck girls in the ass, thats the exact same as fucking a guy in the ass, its still sodomy anyways, so that means all of us will go to hell i guess,

>>129102853
go worship winter chan soul

>jesus said all old jewish laws were made by men and irrelevant
>the only relevant laws are laws made by god, aka the 10 commandments
>none of us are free of sin anyway, that's why everyone needs jesus as savior

Maybe because we're not Nephilim scum?
Dumbass.

>>129101864
Because Jesus
Also new testament
Also common logic, for the faithful anyways

>>129101864

Mosaic law is generally speaking not law for Christians, it may provide some guidance, but is not authoritative law. See Galatians 3 and Romans 4. On top of that, some things are specifically revoked, such as:

>Y still eat pork, still eat meat containing blood
Acts 10:9-16
>how come we dont all circumcise?
Acts 15:5-11
>How come we don't sacrifice animals
Christ's sacrifice was the ultimate sacrifice, no further are needed.

In the final days we we will have that godless fagging again, so I say we're not quite there yet; but genetics & robotics are fast forwarding us to that point in no time... except this time there won't be no flood anymore, but Armageddon.
15 - 30 years, and it's over. WW3 & NWO long before that.
Big purge is coming for mankind

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>>129101864

Luke 22:20
And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

Christians aren't under the old covenant and therefore don't observe everything laid out in it.

Rather we're under a new covenant, which retains some aspects of the old and adds new stuff.

>>129101864
If Christians actually knew what they were fucking doing-
1. There wouldn't be dozens of different versions of Christianity
2. There wouldn't be any reason to question the faith in the first place
3. Islam wouldn't exist now

>>129103289
This. Jesus explicitly tore up the Old Laws.

>>129101864
>Why do Christians not follow the Old Testament?
OT was largely a history lesson. The laws given to the Hebrews were for the Hebrews to be the People of God.

>Y still eat pork, still eat meat containing blood, and how come we dont all circumcise? How come we don't kill our children because they lie to parents? How come we don't sacrifice animals?
Because Jesus' death on the cross did away with those things. In the OT, to be the People of God one had to do those things. In the NT, one had to accept Christ to become the People of God.

>All of that is REQUIRED in the Old Testament,
But not in the NT.

>if you don't belive that all of those are sins, how come you think being Homosexual is?
Because God found homosexuality abhorrent in the OT. Why would he change his mind about that for the NT?

> I'm just curious how Come We still follow the old testament?
Christians aren't.

> Why do you fuck Girls in the ass yet say that 2 guys doing it is a sin?
If you have sexual relations with a woman who is not your wife it's still a sin.

Sex is a gift from God that is supposed to be enjoyed between a willing, married couple comprising a man and a woman.

>yet say that 2 guys doing it is a sin?
Because homosexuality is an abomination unto God.

>>129102688
>I just don't get how homosexuality is "evil" or a sin?
God intended it to be one man + one woman.

God never intended it to be one man + one man or one woman + one woman. (or multiples)

>>129102853
>You still fuck girls in the ass, thats the exact same as fucking a guy in the ass, its still sodomy anyways, so that means all of us will go to hell i guess,
One can have sex with one's willing wife anyway they please. As long as it doesn't turn into a degenerate undertaking. Sex is a gift from God. Like all gifts from God, they are not to be abused.

>>129109109
>Because homosexuality is an abomination unto God.

Says who? God? When? How? Where? Can you prove it?

>>129101864

>Old Testament

>Old

>>129109644
We're a sexual life form. In order to continue the process of life, we need men to pump sperm into women. Whether you prefer to suck cock or rub yourself against other naked guys or whatever is beside the point.

If it's about life rather than death, then it's about Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. It's just a biological fact.

>>129109644
Romans 1:26–27, 1 Corinthians 6:9–10, and 1 Timothy 1:9–10

>>129109644
>Says who? God?
Yes.

>When? How? Where? Can you prove it?
Yes.

https://www.gotquestions.org/homosexuality-Bible.html

http://www.christianbiblereference.org/faq_homosexuality.htm

https://carm.org/bible-homosexuality

http://www.focusonthefamily.com/socialissues/sexuality/homosexuality-theology-and-the-church/what-does-the-bible-say-about-homosexuality

Now, if you'll accept or outright deny this evidence presented, that's on you.

>>129110275
That's all hearsay and claims by men, written in the language of men.

I want proof. Not the ramblings of the Romans, the Corinthians, or some faggot named Tim.

>>129110318
See above. Using a manmade object as proof for the supernatural does not work. If it did, Muslims would be correct.

>>129101864

Don't they? I always see Christians quote the OT (if it suits their agenda kek).

>>129110975
t. salty homosex

>>129108409
Wrong, fagbreath. Jesus, in the new T, explicitly endorses everything written in the old T.

>>129101864
Because the bible is meant to be read chronologically with what is said later on contradicting that said in the old testament and therefore being the correct way of life to follow.

I also suggest you watch Jordan Petersons talks on Christianity and the bible.

>>129101864
Because Jesus retconned the Old testament.

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>>129111348
Nah, I question those faggots in their threads too.
Like "Why do you flaming cunts always have to make a scene?"

Any time someone tries to get uppity about their way of life, I like to break their egos upon the rocks of reason.
Except for Muslims. THOSE I just taunt by calling Muhammad a fucking little pussy faggot shit-eating pig fucking lunatic with a sub-70 IQ.

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>>129101864
I'll put it simply, mortal - but do your own research on Christ, which literally means The Anointed One.

Jesus came back to his home and told the Jews that they're all FUCKING retarded. He used parables to explain his epiphany, which, you CAN find out too.

The Jews with their eating rules, etc were offended by these sayings, like

"It is not what goes in to a man's mouth that makes him dirty, but what is expelled from it! Because that which is expelled by the mouth proceedith from the heart."

The Jews hated Jesus, and Jesus disrespected the Jews.

"A man is a prophet except within his own house, among his own people."

He learned here "Do not cast your pearls before the swine, lest they be trampled under foot."

His words were the pearls, the swine were the Jews.

He had crowds of crowds of people following him. At one point Jesus even got in to a small boat and paddled to the middle of a lake to escape his followers, at which point he felt sorry for them and paddled back to heal and teach.

I can go on and on.

In the end he was massacred by the Jews. At trial the Roman Pontius Pilate addressed the Jews saying "I find this man innocent of commuting any crime. Are you sure you want him dead?" The Jews said "Yes! Release him to us so we may kill him!"

King Of The Jews was written above his head in three different languages when he was crucified.

There is much, much more to the story though...

On the cross, his last words were "It is done."

>>129110975

What do you mean by proof? Within the framework of Christianity, those are divinely inspired statements, they are as proof as it gets. You can't prove the Bible is divinely inspired. You either believe it or you don't. That's why they call it, you know, faith.

>>129108325
Christianity is a theology based on the dogma of free will, this assumption is a blessing and a curse. Followers will also be tempted to stray from God, giving them the agency to grapple with complex religious questions is meant to embolden their understanding of faith.

That being said, it doesn't mean Christians should roll over and let nihilistic existentialism cuck their civilization like what's been happening for years now

>>129113334
Jesus himself seems like the Bobby Fischer of his time.
My gripe with Christianity is with blind faith. Following Jesus as a mentor and philosopher is fine. But when you start bringing up supernatural shit without proof, then problems start to arise.

Someone like Jesus should be seen as men like Plato, Diogenes, etc. Men who lived in a rough and tumble time, who thought about important things and took notice of the world around them, and gave lecture and wisdom on what they saw.

Men, not gods. Trying to attribute these things to some God just trivializes the lives of the men who spoke the words.

>>129101864
>Questions for Christians
>Why do Christians not follow the Old Testament? Y still eat pork, still eat meat containing blood, and how come we dont all circumcise? How come we don't kill our children because they lie to parents? How come we don't
>sacrifice animals? All of that is REQUIRED in the Old Testament, if you don't belive that all of those are sins, how come you think being Homosexual is? I'm just curious how Come We still follow the old testament? Why do you fuck Girls in the ass yet say that 2 guys doing it is a sin?

You're thinking of judaism

1 Corinthians
>all things are lawfull for me, but not all are good for me

>>129110975
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pj-2fYlVA0s

>>129110975
>See above. Using a manmade object as proof for the supernatural does not work.
Yes, it does.

https://bible.org/seriespage/3-why-believe-bible

https://www.gotquestions.org/why-should-I-believe-the-Bible.html

https://carm.org/why-should-we-believe-the-bible

http://www.focusonthefamily.com/faith/the-study-of-god/how-do-we-know-the-bible-is-true/how-do-we-know-bible-is-true

> If it did, Muslims would be correct.
Islam is not correct because you can see it in the way Islam operates and exists.


If you don't want us to believe in God, the Bible and our faith, you have to give us damn reasons as to why we shouldn't.

Same goes with accepting, condoning, tolerating and normalizing homosexuality using nothing but your personal feelings and opinions with no basis behind them other than yourself.

>>129112640
>Like "Why do you flaming cunts always have to make a scene?"
Because to homosexuals, their sexuality solely defines who they are. If they can't act out like that, it's like they literally do not exist.

So them doing that is them screaming "I EXIST! I EXIST!"

Same goes with homosexuals forcing non-homosexuals and anti-homosexuals to accept them. If we don't do that, to them it's like saying "you don't exist."

the new testament is the only good testament
approved religion includes new testament without old testament

>>129115744
>Yes, it does.
No it doesn't. It just makes you guys look fucking nuts, despite saying some wise things.

People don't dispute Plato's Republic like the Bible is disputed, for good reason. The Republic is written by a man. It's not supernatural storybook bullshit. It's real, backed by provable occurrence, and thus is very hard to dispute at all.

You start talking about poltergeists and other impossible shit, and people will dismiss everything else you have to say because YOU'RE CLEARLY DELUSIONAL.

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>>129114523
Do you know what Jesus knew?
Do not look at recent art that tries to depict what he was talking about. That's just art. Any smart theologian understands that God doesn't have a corporeal hand.

Here's a Jesus quote
"If your Lords say to you
Look - in the sky,
It is the Kingdom! And you believe them,
Then the birds will know before you do.
If your Lords say to you
Look in the waters. There! The Kingdom! And you believe them
Then the fish understand more than you.
Rather think of it like this... The Kingdom is within you, and all around you."

500 years before Christ was the Buddha... Here's a Buddhist parable.

One day a Zen master was going to give a lecture on Satori, out beneath a tree, to a bunch of seekers.
As he began to speak a small bird landed in the tree on a perch above them and began to sing.
The Zen master listening to the song, and when the bird stopped singing said "the sermon is over. Go home."

Now the point of a poet is to say what cannot be said directly with words... For trying to explain the complex patterns of this universe in the simple syntax of words is... "As clumsy as drinking water with a fork."

Plato, Socrates... pretty good fellows.
Let me ask you this like Socrates.
Who are you?

>>129117045
>No it doesn't.
Yes, it does.

https://bible.org/seriespage/3-why-believe-bible

https://www.gotquestions.org/why-should-I-believe-the-Bible.html

https://carm.org/why-should-we-believe-the-bible

http://www.focusonthefamily.com/faith/the-study-of-god/how-do-we-know-the-bible-is-true/how-do-we-know-bible-is-true

> It just makes you guys look fucking nuts, despite saying some wise things.
Christians don't give a damn what anti-Christians think of us. We're not going to let your opinions of us damn us to hell to appease you.

>People don't dispute Plato's Republic like the Bible is disputed, for good reason.
You dispute the bible because you hate what it teaches. You don't want to live for God. You want to live for yourself.

>You start talking about poltergeists and other impossible shit, and people will dismiss everything else you have to say because YOU'RE CLEARLY DELUSIONAL.
...Because you anti-Christians say so.

Again, we don't care.

We're right.

You're wrong.

Deal with it.

>>129101864
I do follow the old testament.
I am a believer in Jesus too.
Go figure.

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>>129114523
As for blind faith. Have faith you will understand. Or as Jesus had said "don't you remember?

What did you forget?

>>129116634
>Because to homosexuals, their sexuality solely defines who they are.

True, but Christians, Jews, and Muslims are the same. Jews least as much as they like to be sneaky. But any time I've spent time around devout Christians, they can't go 5 minutes without referencing God, Jesus, or a Bible quote. And these people have very large egos as well. They cannot seem to grasp the idea of this world existing without them. They cannot understand what death actually is. The finality of death, the end of the line, is either too complex to understand(unlikely as it's not a hard concept to grasp), or is too frightening to grasp(most likely, as the concept of death can be frightening to those with a big ego).

To that end, the homosexuality is not a problem. There are countless faggots in this world without an inflated ego that you'd never know are faggots. They don't wear a badge. And there are countless Christians in the same boat.

Really, the greatest threat to man, and the only real SIN of man, is inflated ego. It is the root destroyer of humanity. Greed, violence, deviancy, addiction, everything that ends up destroying a man is caused by allowing one's ego to become inflated. Niggas do stupid fucking shit when they get selfish.

>>129110975
God I want to fuck you so hard

>>129118696
>True, but Christians, Jews, and Muslims are the same.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE

(you saying that just proves how little you truly understand about Christianity)

>But any time I've spent time around devout Christians, they can't go 5 minutes without referencing God, Jesus, or a Bible quote. And these people have very large egos as well.
So what?

>They cannot understand what death actually is.
Going home to be with the Father and Son and Holy Spirit.

>The finality of death, the end of the line, is either too complex to understand(unlikely as it's not a hard concept to grasp), or is too frightening to grasp(most likely, as the concept of death can be frightening to those with a big ego).
But you're wrong. We don't cease to exist when we die. It's either Heaven or Hell (or purgatory if you're Catholic).

Yes, that includes you as well. Though we both know where you're going when you die.

Try to talk your way out of hell when you face the judgement seat. It won't work.

>To that end, the homosexuality is not a problem.
Except for the whole sinning against God thing. Let alone the STD's, Cancer, Mental Illness, Suicide, thousands of sexual partners, etc etc etc.

>>129117520
>Who are you?
Vagabond. Practitioner. Scientist.

I'm not an atheist though. There's too much left unexplained to go that route. Hence the need for wandering and science.

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>>129118696
Death is not the end of the line.
Who were you before you were born?
I'm guessing you'll say nobody.
Would you say that before birth you were in the same state as what we refer to as death? Yet here you are.
Notice the patterns.

Here you are not
Here you are
Here you aren't

Come on.

>>129103289
>Jesus say stuff in old testament is made by men
>People claim he is the Messiah because of what old testament prophecies
..

again Jesus said that that old testament is bullshit why divinize Jesus all of sudden? According to him, it's just us humans on this tiny spec of earth floating in the huge ocean of galaxies.

>>129119547
To be honest mate I'm glad you have a venue to come and be and ass as a challenge against what seems like some imagined enemy. But hopefully if you get your angst out you can propose something a little bit more constructive and maybe everybody, Christian or not, can learn something.

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>>129109479
>Sex is a gift from God. Like all gifts from God, they are not to be abused.
I didn't come here to cry.

>>129119487
>Though we both know where you're going when you die.
It was oblivion before I was born. It'll be the same after death. There's absolutely no logical, rational, or reasonable case otherwise.

If a God exists, what in the name of fuck makes you think your peasant powerless ass means anything to such a being? You're a mortal. You look down at an ant nest and see meaningless bugs doing meaningless bug things. That's how a God would logically see you in your tiny blink-of-an-eye lifespan, except you'd be even less to a God than an ant is to you, for you are mortal like the ant, but a God is possibly immortal, a whole order of magnitude greater than you.

Your ego is inflated. You think you mean something. This causes you to do foolish things out of fear or a false feeling of self-importance.

>>129101864
every answer of your questions are in the new testament.

>>129120206
I only have one enemy. Islam. Fuck em to the fires of napalm.

Christians may be delusional, but I can't hate that. It's not a threat. Mudslimes are fucking psychopathic. Islam is a cult of insanity brought on by culturally-endorsed child abuse.

>>129102853
except i dont fuck girls in the ass??


>so that means all of us will go to hell i guess,

why do you assume everyone in the world does anal?? wtf??

>>129120474
>It was oblivion before I was born. It'll be the same after death. There's absolutely no logical, rational, or reasonable case otherwise.
God knew of you before He created the universe.
God created you purposefully and with a reason. God loved you before He formed the world.
God loves you even now.

...He's just not going to put up with your sinning which is an affront to Him.

>If a God exists, what in the name of fuck makes you think your peasant powerless ass means anything to such a being?
Because He created me, He's omnipotent and omniscient and He's a personal, loving God.

>You're a mortal.
My soul isn't. My perfected body won't be when he decides to give it to me.

>You look down at an ant nest and see meaningless bugs doing meaningless bug things. That's how a God would logically see you in your tiny blink-of-an-eye lifespan, except you'd be even less to a God than an ant is to you, for you are mortal like the ant, but a God is possibly immortal, a whole order of magnitude greater than you.
You don't understand the personal, loving God.

>You think you mean something.
The God of the universe loves me with the purist love ever and sent His son to die for my sins so that I am be reconciled to Him and be with him for all eternity.

How can my life not "mean something" when I've accepted that fact?

>>129101864
If you think about it, Islam is basically Christianity if it said 'dudes Jesus was cool and was Son of God but lets not get crazy... everything in the OT was totally true and we will follow it and call it umm like... Sharia Law?"

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>>129119547
Vagabond. Practitioner. Scientist.
No, who are you?
Go further.
Come on. No more false modesty.

You are the which in which there is no whicher.

That which moves the sun and stars is that which moves you.

Every living being is an engine geared to the wheelwork of the universe. Though seemingly affected only by its immediate surrounding, the sphere of external influence extends to infinite distance.

Forget your bodily age. The creation of you extends back to the death of stars.

>>129120914
Maybe you could think about recasting your one enemy as being something a little bit more general like evil or death. I have no interest in trying to defend Islam, but you should said
>I can't hate that
>It's not a threat
And to my mind, that makes it sound like you have some sense of the situation wherein you can see that if nothing else that Christians are getting something more right than Muslims. Short of making that just an "us vs. them" thing, think about what it might be that one side is getting more right than the other. Then, as a fellow scientist, think about how to further improve the better one rather than drag either one down.

>>129119908
t. Someone who had no idea what he's talking about

>>129101864
Tota Scriptura.

>>129122112
No, I'm just batshit. Mr.Guano, Ph.D in Lunacy

>>129122281
Christians just don't pose a threat, and haven't since they grew up a bit and gained civility with the Renaissance. Granted, now many of them are too lamb-like. For example, importing Somalians into Maine. What the actual fuck? WHY?

>>129121554
You really wanna meet God? I can tell you how, though you probably won't like the idea.
But I guarantee you will meet the truth in this place. And it might kill you.

How to have faith for world changing prayer?

>>129123382
>You really wanna meet God?
I'd be meeting God, if I was a Christian or not. We all face God for judgement in the end.

>I can tell you how, though you probably won't like the idea.
I'm going to love meeting God. Why wouldn't I? To hear the God of the universe say "Well done, good and faithful servant."? Gives me goosebumps just thinking about it.

>But I guarantee you will meet the truth in this place.
I've already seen and accepted truth. I'm a Christian, after all.

>And it might kill you.
Nope. My name is written in the Book of Life and it can never be erased.

>>129123382
>For example, importing Somalians into Maine. What the actual fuck? WHY?
Boy is that ever a good question. I would say importing them is a legitimate threat.

I'm probably one of /pol/'s worst Christians, but sometimes I think it's interesting to come to these threads to see what other people think. And this is one of the things that, whether it's /pol/ or real life, people will agree it's fucking stupid and pointless when you take them aside. This I think is one of the more prescient examples in modern life of how organized religion itself is going completely opposite to what it's supposed to be preaching.

>>129101864

Because Jesus changed all that. Read the New Testament.

you will find the lord quite flexible on these rules if you read the bible.

>>129123946
Are you willing to challenge those beliefs? Or at least put them to the test? Seriously put them to the test? To see how strong your faith really is?

>>129121296
porn told him so

>>129124274
>Are you willing to challenge those beliefs? Or at least put them to the test? Seriously put them to the test? To see how strong your faith really is?
If God wants to test me, He will.

I can say though that there is nothing that will make me renounce my faith.

You thinking you can destroy my faith due to your hatred of Christianity speaks volumes about who you really are though.

>>129120614

PAGAN GENERAL

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I want everyone to calm down. No more insults. Understand.

Find out who you are. The REAL you.

I've given a few posts. If you earnestly want to know you'll find out.

However... If I go to a symphony, and get moved by the music - then I come back to tell you about the symphony in which I just experienced... My description of it can't be the same as you actually going to listen for Yourself.

My friends... This world, this very moment - it IS the symphony. It IS the BEATIFIC VISION. You see?

"Those with eyes do not see
Those with ears cannot hear" - Christ

"But I tell you. Greater things in which even I do... Ye shall do also." - Jesus

>>129124645
>If God wants to test me, He will.
So no, you're not willing.

Okay.

>You thinking you can destroy my faith due to your hatred of Christianity speaks volumes about who you really are though.
I have not expressed a hatred of your faith. I only question it and want the faithful to question it. Blind faith is poison. It limits the mind and spirit. And it limits the understanding of what life actually is.

When you really understand what life is, it becomes far more amazing than anything you can imagine as a Christian.

For example, how an animal the size of an elephant can extract enough energy from plant material to move countless miles a day across a very rough and harsh landscape with very limited water supply, and not only get that energy, but get that energy without using radioactive decay or high-temperature combustion. That level of energy efficiency is well understood by humans, but we cannot yet replicate it. Our cars are still powered by explosions in an inefficient manner. There's no Godly miraculous shit going on to move the elephant across the plains, yet that ability is out of our current reach despite knowing how it happens.

THAT is the power of life on this planet. Hundreds of millions of years of trial and error producing a evolution-perfected super-efficient lifeform. That shit is far more amazing than "hurrr gawd did it all, ain't it amazing?!"
Maybe a God laid the basic foundation, but what we see is all time and space working wonders.

>>129124266
Solomon worshiped everybody, David cheated. i think is that right? god wants you to do these things, but want condem you if you don't.\

and thats why i think hes awesome god.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smZwG-auxC8

>>129127061
>So no, you're not willing.
Not that you could say anything that would make me renounce my faith, mind you.

>I have not expressed a hatred of your faith.
Yes, you have. You just don't identify it as expressing hatred.

>That shit is far more amazing than "hurrr gawd did it all, ain't it amazing?!"
See? That statement shows that you hate my faith and you don't even realize it.

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>>129101864
Homosexuality is disordered and a perversion of nature. Same goes with anal sex with a women. The only people who like to play in assholes are faggots.

>>129114514
Exactly.

>>129127568
>Not that you could say anything that would make me renounce my faith, mind you.
You're right. But I can tell you a course of action that absolutely will sake your foundations up a bit.

>You just don't identify it as expressing hatred.
You only think it's hatred because you see it as an attack. You see it as an attack because your ego is being threatened.

>That statement shows that you hate my faith and you don't even realize it.
I don't hate your faith. If I did I'd want you naped like mudslimes.
Their "faith" I hate. I hate it because it's a threat to every other human on earth. It's a threat to life itself, and to knowledge.
These people actively destroy history. I guess now I can say I hate progressives as well, as they too are hell-bent on destroying history and science and humanity and side with the muslims.

You folks aren't rational, and are a bit too big for your pants, but you don't go around attempting to destroy history as a whole.

>>129101864
>this book has fucking thousands of pages
>ill read the first 50 or so and that should be good enough

OP in a nutshell

>>129101864

I would never fuck my girl in the ass. I assume if I do that enough it would eventually give her irritable bowel syndrome like fags often get.
So I don't need to go tearing up her bum hole when she has a perfectly good vagina for plugging.
Also pewp on my cock is gay. Period.

>>129129525
>You're right. But I can tell you a course of action that absolutely will sake your foundations up a bit.
Nope. lol.

>You only think it's hatred because you see it as an attack.
No, it's an insult of my faith due to your lack of understanding or even caring about other people.

>I don't hate your faith. If I did I'd want you naped like mudslimes.
I don't hate your faith. If I did I'd want you naped like mudslimes.
In the end you anti-Christians only want to destroy my faith.

>Their "faith" I hate. I hate it because it's a threat to every other human on earth. It's a threat to life itself, and to knowledge.
You'd gladly destroy Christianity to further those goals of yours. (not that you'd ever succeed though)

>You folks aren't rational,
Yet another insult based on your lack of understanding.

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>>129101864
Christians are not under the Mosaic Law. They are under the Covenant of Christ

>(Romans 10:4) For Christ is the end of the Law, so that everyone exercising faith may have righteousness

The rest of the Bible agrees that The Mosaic Law has come to an end.

>(Galatians 3:19-25) Why, then, the Law? It was added to make transgressions manifest, until the seed should arrive to whom the promise had been made; ... 20 ....21 Is the Law, therefore, against the promises of God? May that never happen! For if a law had been given that was able to give life, righteousness would actually have been by means of law. 22 ....23 However, before the faith arrived, we were being guarded under law, being delivered up together into custody, looking to the faith that was destined to be revealed. 24 Consequently the LAW HAS BECOME OUR TUTOR leading to Christ, that we might be declared righteous due to faith. 25 But now that the faith has arrived, WE ARE NO LONGER UNDER A TUTOR.

>(Galatians 4:4, 5) But when the full limit of the time arrived, God sent forth his Son, who came to be out of a woman and who came to be under law, 5 THAT HE MIGHT RELEASE BY PURCHASE THOSE UNDER LAW, that we, in turn, might receive the adoption as sons.

>(Matthew 5:17) “Do not think I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I came, not to destroy, but to fulfill;

>(Romans 7:6) But now we have been discharged from the Law, because we have died to that by which we were being held fast, that we might be slaves in a new sense by the spirit, and not in the old sense by the written code.

>(Ephesians 2:15) By means of his flesh he abolished the enmity, the Law of commandments consisting in decrees, that he might create the two peoples in union with himself into one new man and make peace;

CONTINUED

>>129131603
CONTINUED
>(Colossians 2:14) and blotted out the handwritten document against us, which consisted of decrees and which was in opposition to us; and He has taken it out of the way by nailing it to the torture stake.

>(Ephesians 2:14) For he is our peace, he who made the two parties one and destroyed the wall in between that fenced them off.

>(Galatians 3:10) For all those who depend upon works of law are under a curse; for it is written: “Cursed is every one that does not continue in all the things written in the scroll of the Law in order to do them.”

>(Romans 7:10) And the commandment which was to life, this I found to be to death.

>(Galatians 3:13) Christ by purchase released us from the curse of the Law by becoming a curse instead of us, because it is written: “Accursed is every man hanged upon a stake.”

What makes it even more apparent that the Mosaic Law is over is that A NEW LAW was put in its place. This is the Law of Christ or the Covenant of Christ. The mediator of the Mosaic Law was Moses. However, Jesus is now the mediator OF A NEW LAW.

>(Hebrews 9:15) So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because a death has occurred for [their] release by ransom from the transgressions under the former covenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance.

>(Luke 22:20) Also, the cup in the same way after they had the evening meal, he saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood, which is to be poured out in YOUR behalf.

>(2 Corinthians 3:6) who has indeed adequately qualified us to be ministers of a new covenant, not of a written code, but of spirit; for the written code condemns to death, but the spirit makes alive.

>(Hebrews 7:22) to that extent also Jesus has become the one given in pledge of a better covenant.

>(Matthew 26:28) for this means my ‘blood of the covenant,’ which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins.

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>>129132207
>(1 Corinthians 11:25) He did likewise respecting the cup also, after he had the evening meal, saying: “This cup means the new covenant by virtue of my blood. Keep doing this, as often as YOU drink it, in remembrance of me.”

>(Hebrews 8:6) But now [Jesus] has obtained a more excellent public service, so that he is also the mediator of a correspondingly better covenant, which has been legally established upon better promises.

>(Hebrews 9:15) So that is why he is a mediator of a new covenant, in order that, because a death has occurred for [their] release by ransom from the transgressions under the former covenant, the ones who have been called might receive the promise of the everlasting inheritance.

>(Hebrews 12:24) and Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and the blood of sprinkling, which speaks in a better way than Abel’s [blood]

The Old Testament PROPHESIED that the Mosaic Law or the Law Covenant would come to an end AND be replaced by a NEW covenant.

>(Jeremiah 31:31) “Look! There are days coming,” is the utterance of Jehovah, “and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant;

>(Jeremiah 32:40) And I will conclude with them an indefinitely lasting covenant, that I shall not turn back from behind them, for me to do them good; and the fear of me I shall put in their heart in order not to turn aside from me.

>(Hebrews 8:8) for he does find fault with the people when he says: “‘Look! There are days coming,’ says Jehovah, ‘and I will conclude with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah a new covenant;

>>129101864
Required for Jews, so why arent you asking them instead?

>>129101864
That's an easy answer. Whatever christianity originally was, it became the Roman imperial state religion with Constantine.

They did a lot of editing because the goal was hegemonical assimilation, mass subjugation and providing the empire with a divine right to rule.

It would morph and adapt to local populations as necessary, so something that was heresy in one region would be conveniently ignored when they tried to integrate some place new where that prohibition wouldn't fly.

It's still an incredibly fragmented cult, and your personal idea of christian normality is likely very regional.

>>129130313
Anti-Christian...
Yeah, I could be called that. I'm not anti-Christ however.
I see your messiah as I see Diogenes. Kind of a freak. Weird. But very wise and worldly. I see him as a man.
Any God could have done what Jesus did and it wouldn't be amazing. After all, a God is omnipotent. To a being that can blink things in and out of existence, being strung up for a torturous death is nothing.

But to a mortal man, going through that torment without ever repenting is astounding. Takes guts.
And I know exactly what it's like. Been there, in a way. The only difference is, my way wasn't fatal.

I'll explain in detail next post. How you get to know Jesus fucking Christ, the man not the messiah. The man who stood up to psychotic men and paid for it with his life.

>>129113908
God has already turned this queer over to the reprobate mind. No point discussing validity of the divine.

>>129133504
>The man who stood up to psychotic men
That's an interesting choice of words. You remind me of a lot of people who seem to stand opposed to Christianity just because they seem to think it's some sort of a threat to their ability to rebel against unspecified things for unspecified reasons.

I had a friend like that once in school. I don't think he converted, nor did I want him to, but he did change once he had the chance to start his own life on his own and in the company of friends who, and I don't mean this in a gay way, revered unconditional love.

>>129133504
>Any God could have done what Jesus did and it wouldn't be amazing
Jesus is God.

>I see your messiah as I see Diogenes. Kind of a freak. Weird. But very wise and worldly. I see him as a man.
Then you're anti-Jesus as well.

In calling Jesus a man you deny his Divinity and you are saying every, single Christian throughout history is living a lie.

A man could not have lived a sinless life. A man could not have taken the sins of the world on his shoulders. A man could not have risen on the third day.

>And I know exactly what it's like. Been there, in a way. The only difference is, my way wasn't fatal.
You have not and could not take on the sins of the world. Regardless, you have not gone through Jesus did.

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christians are supposed to keep the old testament but not stuff he said not to like the sacrifices because jesus is the final sacrifice

example

do not commit adultery is a old testament law that still is widely followed

u dont go to hell and you dont get stoned anymore for sinning against the old testament tho

its a law of mankind to do the right thing and if u want to be a christian and be a righteous man u follow the specific morals in the old testament or love ur neighbor as ur self is the over arching simplified law of god

>>129127061
What you just described is a program and algorithms that allow for life to work efficiently without either burning out or expelling too much energy. The human brain is another miracle that proves God exist. The amount of calculations it does per minute would set the most powerful computer on fire because of the energy needed to compute. Yet the human brain can burn enough energy without burning itself out and without expelling too much.

That alone proves a God exist. Accidents cannot reproduce programs, algorithms, calibration, timing, etc. That can only be created and controlled. The belief is that accidents had eternity to do this. The problem is that for complex systems to happen they do not have an eternity of time only a sliver of a chance to happen once. Trial and error can only occur if an intelligence exist to deduce the error the previous trials. Without this the same error will be repeated for an eternity.

>>129103826
This.
All this stuff was debated on by the disciples when they started converting people who weren't originally Jewish and thus didn't already follow the laws of Moses. Some felt they should be made to do All of it; others, like Peter and Paul if I remember correctly, felt the new converts just had to do the Ten Commandments, and the other things that we're still told to do today. It's pretty much all in the book of Acts.

>>129121777
Bingo bango, anon.

>>129121777
>If you think about it, Islam is basically Christianity

No, it is not.

>everything in the OT was totally true and we will follow it and call it umm like... Sharia Law?"

No, not even close.

>>129101864
>How come we don't sacrifice animals?
Christ fulfilled the Law in our stead. Same reason we can eat pork, etc.

>All of that is REQUIRED in the Old Testament, if you don't belive that all of those are sins, how come you think being Homosexual is?
Homosex is mentioned as a sin in the New Testament several times, but it is often ignored by more...liberal branches.

>I'm just curious how Come We still follow the old testament?
We don't (mostly). The Law is a curb, a mirror, a guide. But Christ died in our place, laid a foundation for us to be redeemed in his stead

The Old Testament is kept around for instructional and foundational purposes. In it we see a series of covenants leading to the incarnation, which illustrates the development of the relationship between God and man.

For example, the Law in the Old Testament was a set of rules laid down for a good life on earth. It didn't need to be understood. God doesn't explain...he basically just says I'm god deal with it. But at that point in the history of salvation recall there was no heaven for human beings. At that point there was no means by which man could work out his salvation as St. Paul says. the concept of living righteously under authority was being first introduced and was tied to a strictly terrestrial existence. So there was no need for any understanding beyond that.

Jump forward to the gospels wherein Jesus explains the law and demonstrates he is the fulfillment of it. The relationship has matured to the point that children of God are expected to grow out of blind obedience to the Law and instead actively choose the good for the love of god and neighbor to obtain eternal bliss in heaven.

The Old Testament prophecies and stories also tell us about the person of Jesus Christ...his nature, his purpose, his relationship to us, to the father, and the Holy Ghost. For example a big deal to the Jews is the "I am" to Moses out of the burning bush. God never answers Moses when asked for his name. The thing is, he gave the answer to Mary at the Annunciation. The connection would not be lost on the contemporary Jews.

>>129134322
Calling Jesus a god makes the suffering and work he undertook meaningless.

To a God, what happened to Jesus would be barely an itch to scratch. To an immortal, death means nothing.

But to a man, sitting on a cross...
Well, I'll tell you.

First you get yourself a drug called alpha-PHP(see, I told you that you'd hate this).
5 grams worth, more than enough to last the 7+ days needed.
You'll need at least 9 days off of work. 7 for the experience and 2 for recovery.
Now, you vape this off of foil using a careful heat. The initial rush and euphoria are like nothing you've ever known. You ARE God.... For a time.
These awesome, feel-good effects last for about 4 days, maybe 5 if you're lucky. Right around the 4-5 day mark without sleep, and little to eat. shit starts hitting the fan.
And pretty suddenly, your world starts to change. The shadow people come out. Reality itself breaks and everything phases. Your own shadow becomes 3D.
You hear things. Voices, music, noises, etc. I once heard a cash for gold commercial I hadn't seen in 4 years, as though it was playing from a loudspeaker.
Memories long forgotten play out like vivid movies. Pain manifests in the hands, feet, joints, and head. God and Satan are the same thing.

Day 6, the shadows crawl all over the place. Demons taunt you, scream at you. The days are numbers, you cannot remember sleep. You begin to understand what it's like
to be strung up on a cross, in pain, being tormented with voices and taunts, visions of your past, visions from other people you don't even know. Music plays in your head...
Constantly. Never ending.

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not eating pork could have been because theres diseases and parasites in pork if its not cooked and handled properly

so thats one reason ancients couldnt eat pork

or its something spiritual or its still unhealthy today and still wise to not eat pork for some reason

you never know maybe keeping that commandment is still a good thing to do because we dont have the same wisdom

but the NT said u can eat whatever meats u want it dont FKIN MATTER anymore

u can literally be a homosexual mass serial killer in the NT and go straight to heaven if you believe

that doesnt make it wise though

gods law is the beginning of wisdom

the more u go against it the more fucked up ur life is

>>129137159
>Calling Jesus a god makes the suffering and work he undertook meaningless.
You just...don't...get it...

I don't think you want to get it, either.

If you really want to try to understand it, go to a church that will have you and ask those questions to a learned pastor who is willing to have a discussion with you.

You can either learn from him or dismiss what he says out of hand.

But it's quite clear you truly don't understand Christianity and you don't want to.

>>129137159
I have to say out of everything, and I don't know why, I'm leaving out those times I barely avoided braining myself and slitting my arteries open on acid, for instance, time going backward and all the rest, some of the scariest experiences I've had were from sally.

There's something that shapes you up like not even knowing if you're dead or not and there are demons crawling out of the wall at you.

But I don't see what that has to do with Christianity other than that it says you're not supposed to monkey around with that stuff.

>>129102853
>intestines is where all the bacteria that eats you from the inside out after you die lives in
>liking shit on your dick

Why would we follow the old testament when there's a new one? If you want to see what happens to people that follow the old abrahamic religion just go to the middle east and see nothing has changed for a few thousand years except stuff they take from other countries. Even their guns are from soviets.

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>>129107566
I wouldn't say some. Paul made it clear that we keep the whole old testament law. The only reason why anything was changed by the letter was because the goyim were able to keep the intent. For example with eating shellfish or something like that, God declared that he made the food clean, meaning he made it safe to eat, as Paul says "with thanksgiving" and the holidays in the Jewish calendar are not required but the Church established holidays along with Passover"easter" that the goyim would like for the same purpose as the old.
"What about ceremonial law?"
I don't need to get into the details but the point is that God had all these "pointless laws about tassels and not mixing fibers or crossbreeding different species of livestock." They had the purpose of keeping jews away from degeneracy. All those rules may seem silly now but if we were following something just as stringent about what to do in ceremony you wouldn't have liberals shitting on the streets and wearing degenerate clothes and making shit art. Pope Gregory the Great said that the recent pagan converts were to be under the apirit of torah but for their nation. He even allowed animal sacrifices but to the Lord for them. But they got to keep some of their old holidays but without the wierd sex shit that pagans do

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>>129137159
Day 7.

The shadows have closed in. Light is blinding. Your mind is someone else you don't know.
You feel like you'd imagine a 2000 year old zombie must feel. Pure walking fatigue and death surrounded by fear and pain and bravado and pleasure.
Fighting and biting at you.

You need to take a piss, and go into the bathroom. You look in the mirror and HOLY FUCKING SHIT.
What you see, is someone else. You cannot see yourself as you anymore. You look at your hand, as though through someone elses eyes.

"THAT'S IT. I'm done. Enough of this shit"
You gain a sudden epiphany. That you've gone as far as you can go while alive, and that it's time to come back. You gotta get your head back on or you might end up
crazy forever. So, you turn on the shower, and hop in. The sound of the water is music. The same songs you've been hearing for days blended together and playing
incessantly as the water slowly begins washing the death from your skin. You feel calmer. Control is coming back, slowly.
Get out, dry off, and go grab an ice-cold beer from the fridge. You sit down and start sipping your delicious brewsky, its effects countering the psychosis
you've been wallowing in for days. You listen to music. And it sounds wonderful. GLORIOUS. As your psychosis fades, music, light, peace, and life itself feel extraordinary.
Better than anything you ever felt while high on the stimulant. Sobering up becomes the best high you've ever experienced. Feeling sanity return to you.

and you begin to realize that's what Jesus felt as he underwent intense torment and sleep deprivation on the cross, and what he felt as he let go of fear and anger and accepted mortality.
And you understand, he never had a second chance. But you do. What a lucky fuck you are!

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>>129138376
I'm saying this in light of his subject of the Law in galatians. and the Judaizers. I'm saying the whole of the law is not passed away as Jesus said " I came not to abolish the law but to fullfill" so all the rules are valid but in the spirit of love.

Every line of the law is good to use and useful. But you dont have to go around wearing tassles and eating only kosher foods. I mean the spirit of the law whichis Love. And the Church fathers would put it as the 10 Commandements

>>129135481
>>129135481
Why did you purposely chop up that post and obfuscate the point? Is your reading comprehension that bad or are you trying to pull some shit? You aren't slick.

The post was saying that Islam is comparable to a group of people strictly following a literal understanding of the OT as their Sharia law and that seems pretty accurate.

>>129102853
>You still fuck girls in the ass
I don't even have sex because I'm not married yet, but even then I wouldn't do that, it's gross

>>129139404
LMAO
So many people say they'll wait until marriage and end up having sex wayyyyy before. Get a grip on reality. God isn't real.

Religion and ancestral values are all caused by the fear of non-existence.

>>129139809
>So many people say they'll wait until marriage and end up having sex wayyyyy before
except that I don't
and even if god wasn't real, it's still a good guideline to act on

>>129101864
Because Christianity is the New Covenant that supersedes Judaism.

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>>129138314
The point here, is one can understand what Jesus the man went through because he dared to speak ill of the immoral cunts in his society.
The sleep deprivation. The searing pain in the hands and feet. The demons and people laughing and taunting. Feeling like death has taken over.

I used to believe in all that Christian God nonsense too. But I never actually respected Christ as a man, until I met God/Satan myself.
If you think hell is a lake of fire, you need to experience hell firsthand, like Jesus did up on that cross.
If you think being saved makes you reborn, you need to experience a true rebirth, when you (for all intents and purposes)DIE under pure psychosis and come back from that death with a new perspective on reality.

Most people see such things like I did as degenerate drug abuse. But unless you wanna go put yourself into a torture chamber or out into the desert wilds, a 7+ day stim spin is the only way to get to know yourself and reality. You just have to have the intelligence and guts to appreciate what it is.

Both Jesus and Moses spent time out in the desert, going through vision quests. They tasted psychosis brought on by depriving sleep, food, and water, just like one would by using meth or a-php for a week straight.
And they learned. They saw the demons. They saw the waking nightmare. And then they saw reality reform as they came back. They learned to respect life, and certain morals in life.
All through their minds going batshit. This is why people don't like crazy very much. Crazy teaches you nasty truths.

>>129140116
HOW?
Modern marriage in most western countries is a Christian ceremony and tradition.
Why does anyone have to get married? They DON'T.

We are all animals. Animals do not get married except for us.

Sure there may be a few that do "rituals" to bond, but that's different in the sense that marriage is a social act.

Waiting until marriage for sex is a ridiculous moral to push upon a child.
Children should make their own choices.
I think 15 is the absolute youngest age someone should engage in sexual acts.

>>129140527
Next you'll say we don't have to engage in brutal genital mutilation anymore.

BUT OH NO THE PROBLEM IS WE ALL AGREED WE SHOULD BE BEHEADED BY MUSLIMS AND STRING UP THE NEIGHBOR'S CAT FOR A BLOOD SACRIFICE

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>>129138376
>>129138990
when it says he made the foods clean it doesnt mean he supernaturally did a miracle to make it safe to eat now lol

those foods are still unhealthy and unclean but it just doesnt really matter if you do eat them

http://www.cgg.org/index.cfm/fuseaction/Library.sr/CT/RA/k/1049/Clean-Unclean-Meats.htm

>>129140980
When god said "I make them clean" he wasn't pretending. He gave them the okay to eat them, there are circumstasnces where the food is safe to eat if you know what you are doing. But you don't have to.
I just said "with thanksgiving" there is a meaning to that word you know.

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>>129140856
>>129140856
>Next you'll say we don't have to engage in brutal genital mutilation anymore.

Well yeah, that's said explicitly in the letters of St. Paul. It only became a popular thing in Europe because of Protestantism's constant search for "early Christianity" and how they adopted Jewish practices because of it.

>>129140741
Well it took me a while to go back and think about my experiences more rationally, and a while longer after that before I became convinced at a personal level that God is real after all.

This whole thing is still a bum deal in my opinion, but sometimes I think about guys like Mike Rupert who went through their own small version of Hell, did yeoman's work for mankind, and then at the end wound up getting in to drugs and blowing their brains out without giving it enough time to try to work through it.

I could be wrong, but I don't think you're really in a position to evaluate what Jesus did or did not experience. More properly, we don't even really know for sure who he was or if he really existed if we're going based only on some books or our experiences hallucinating. I respect your position, but your conclusions seem immature.

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>>129101864

WHITE MAN YOU HAVE AN ANCIENT RELIGION

YOU STILL PRACTICE IT TODAY

IT'S CALLED SCIENCE/PHILOSOPHY AND NATURE:

Example of Aryan faiths:

>Stoicism (reason as divine)

>Buddhism (moral nihilism)

>Zen (anti-cult)

>Nietzsche's Overman (Will to Power)

>Naturalism (nature as divine)

>Cosmotheism (Dr. William Pierce, evolution as divine)

>Nazism (blood and nature as divine)

>Pythoagorism (numbers as divine, "man is the measure of all things")

All perfectly acceptable alternative to Semitic slave cults.


And for the more Esoteric fag who wants Spiritualism you have:

>Zoroastrianism (good replaced with wisdom of good, evil replaced with incorrect thoughts; the first philosophy)

>Vedda (Brahmanism)

>Wotanism (non-cucked chivalry)

>Druidism (nature as spirit)

>Mithra-ism (divine purity, Christianity stole most of its ritual from)


STOP WORSHIPING A JEW AS GOD OF THE UNIVERSE!

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>>129141598

WHITE MAN YOU HAVE AN ANCIENT RELIGION

YOU STILL PRACTICE IT TODAY

IT'S CALLED SCIENCE/PHILOSOPHY AND NATURE:

Example of Aryan faiths:

>Stoicism (reason as divine)

>Buddhism (moral nihilism)

>Zen (anti-cult)

>Nietzsche's Overman (Will to Power)

>Naturalism (nature as divine)

>Cosmotheism (Dr. William Pierce, evolution as divine)

>Nazism (blood and nature as divine)

>Pythoagorism (numbers as divine, "man is the measure of all things")

All perfectly acceptable alternative to Semitic slave cults.


And for the more Esoteric fag who wants Spiritualism you have:

>Zoroastrianism (good replaced with wisdom of good, evil replaced with incorrect thoughts; the first philosophy)

>Vedda (Brahmanism)

>Wotanism (non-cucked chivalry)

>Druidism (nature as spirit)

>Mithra-ism (divine purity, Christianity stole most of its ritual from)


STOP WORSHIPING A JEW AS GOD OF THE UNIVERSE!

>>129141556
I'm just making a point that most of the time critics aren't very good at picking out good things to criticize.

It makes me think of the time I read, "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky back in 2008. It struck me right away that it was dedicated to Lucifer, and the further I got through it the more I wondered what the point of it all was beyond rebelling for the sake of rebellion, and then I thought maybe I should look up this Lucifer guy to see what his story was.

That was a useful experience. I recommend it. It was pretty neat when Woke Sleepy Doctor mentioned it during the RNC and it turned out a lot of /pol/acks knew what he was talking about.

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>>129140015
The CORPORATE RELIGIONS use fear of death and fear of hell to control and swindle commoners out of money...or else.

But some religions like Jehovah's Witnesses, Sikhism, and Buddhism is not about that at all. Jesus explains man's need for religion:

>“MAN cannot live on bread alone.” (Matthew 4:4, The New English Bible)

Not including the corporate religions, religion is a tool used by man to feed his need of spirituality. This is no different from an atheist walking next to a beach side or beautiful valley and trying to absorb the beauty, aesthetics, and seeking a relationship with that beautiful unknown. Man tries to fill this need with money, pleasures, power, drugs, socialiizng, social status and material possessions. But they all fill because it is a specific need that cannot be filled. This is no different from a man WHO TRIES to live on bread alone. Although bread can be filling it can also lead to starvation because it is missing all the other nutrients foods provide.

>>129141424
The vision of unclean animals was merely an illustration God used to help Peter understand that salvation was open to those previously held at arm's length (see Acts 11:18).

Neither Peter nor Luke, the author of Acts, makes any further commentary regarding clean or unclean foods, as the vision had served a greater purpose.

Lastly, nowhere in the context is it ever said that God had cleansed unclean meats—this is something assumed by readers with a predisposition against this statute regulating what we should eat.

Acts 10:1—11:18 confirms that "what God has cleansed" is the Gentiles, not unclean foods.
Noah "took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt offerings on the altar" (Genesis 8:20). This suggests that these laws were known and practiced before the Flood—even from the earliest days of mankind (compare Genesis 4:4, Abel's acceptable offering). Since there were no Jews or Israelites then—not even any Hebrews—these laws are obviously for all humankind.

it is the limitation of humanity, and therefore death, that decides advancements in both technology and culture. Death is a limitation feared by all populations, almost without exception. Culture has been, and still is, formed by death. Whether it be the general spreading of accepting death or the universal aim to abolish it, culture in nearly all aspects is governed by the fear of death (or rather non-existence.) Religion often promises a life after death. Where you can continue to exist. Families in several cultures hold ancestral values. Where you and your family promises remembrance of someone who has died, therefore allowing them to still "exist" in some way.

Perhaps it is the fear of death, so much as the fear of non-existence. The fear of being aware, knowing, and then nothing. Humans cannot even fathom what it would be like to NOT exist because we are incapable of knowing what it would be like. That is the fundamental fear that humans have. A sort of broader "hubris" where the populous of the entire world fears not being remembered.

This has spawned great achievements throughout history, but ultimately rules over the many. Those who refuse to give in to the man-made fabrications of hope beyond death are shunned and criticized, though the same people are the ones who often make hugely impacts in both the scientific community and the world.

>>129142238
it is the limitation of humanity, and therefore death, that decides advancements in both technology and culture. Death is a limitation feared by all populations, almost without exception. Culture has been, and still is, formed by death. Whether it be the general spreading of accepting death or the universal aim to abolish it, culture in nearly all aspects is governed by the fear of death (or rather non-existence.) Religion often promises a life after death. Where you can continue to exist. Families in several cultures hold ancestral values. Where you and your family promises remembrance of someone who has died, therefore allowing them to still "exist" in some way.

Perhaps it is the fear of death, so much as the fear of non-existence. The fear of being aware, knowing, and then nothing. Humans cannot even fathom what it would be like to NOT exist because we are incapable of knowing what it would be like. That is the fundamental fear that humans have. A sort of broader "hubris" where the populous of the entire world fears not being remembered.

This has spawned great achievements throughout history, but ultimately rules over the many. Those who refuse to give in to the man-made fabrications of hope beyond death are shunned and criticized, though the same people are the ones who often make hugely impacts in both the scientific community and the world.

>>129141822
Let me be the last to argue with learning more about those things. I went to see the Bo tree once. Pretty neat. Kind of like if you consider the heart symbology in a lot of Christian art and you compare it to chakras and if you've ever tried to practice touch healing (I have, and it actually works a little bit, just like prayer, whatever that means to you, does work.)

But I'm going with Jesus Christ even if that's just "close enough" for my temporal mind.

>>129138376
I don't know if I disagree with you at all. I certainly agree with you that the Christian moral law, civic law and religious practice is in the spirit of the Mosaic law, as well as localized beliefs and practices that have been Christianized.

>>129141598
What I know is this. You hand on a cross for 3 days, you'll go into a state of psychosis.
And in that state, hell appears. And heaven. Satan, and God. Yin and Yang.

Higher beings just don't matter to me anymore. The existence of immortals does not concern me, a mortal.
I've died a few times now in all but body, and returned to life.

Through DMT, through a-PHP, and through other means. All drug related, for a simple reason.
Any other means to get to that place known as hell is extremely hazardous and could easily result in actual bodily death.
The only somewhat safe way to go that far is by using stimulants or psychedelics. Not for pleasure, and not as a coping mechanism, but to force the mind to go into a place where few dare tread.
You try to do it without drugs and you'll end up going to sleep after about 28-34 hours. Your mind won't allow you to go into hell willingly. It has to be forced, and drugs are the safest way to force it.

Native Americans have a similar thing called vision quests. Their are done usually with a combination of psychedelic plants(entheogens) and sleep/food deprivation out in the wilds.

>>129143171
>you hand
Hang, derp

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>>129142443>>129142916
The whole of the Torah is bound in love, if it's ceremonial we should still be having such a thing for ourselves too, have laws about western culture what you should and shouldnt wear ect. It's good for people.

> merely an illustration
No you really can eat shellfish, the purpose for banning it to begin with starts with hygeine and cleanliness, it was banned for that reason. To allow it would simply permit misuse it was for their own saftey.

God did indeed make these foods clean. Since the vision was over all unclean animals. Also Paul talks about this in depth in Corithians saying if there is somehting you are eating that you are worried about, and you need or want to eat it for whatever reason, then just pray over in thanksgiving. No requirement to follow the torah by the letter but dont let anything be hinderance to you.

>>129101864
1. The Bible is not a manual.
2. The laws of the Old Testament are recorded over a long period of time, from different places in the same region.
3. Scripture is supplemental to religion, not religion itself.

>>129143171
Humans are capable of becoming immortal. It is all just technology we haven't perfected yet.

I for one, would love becoming immortal. There is so much I want to see. I am afraid of non-existence. But there is so much I want to see.

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>>129143405
>The whole of the Torah is bound in love, if it's ceremonial we should still be having such a thing for ourselves too, have laws about western culture what you should and shouldnt wear ect. It's good for people.

I agree

>>129143171
I think back to when I spent some time reading the writings of Carlos Casteneda, who, as far as we know from his writings, got big in to the Yaqi path of knowledge. True or false, I think it was really interesting.

One of the things Don Juan said, and I think this might have been in the first book, was that drugs were just a way to beat time. They're a way that we can see and know more than we would normally at our own pace.

I think that's very true. They helped me catch up in my own personal development because I'm a terrible autist. But they are no magic pill. Better pill than some of the other drugs I've seen destroy lives over the years, but in the end it's up to you to control your own life rather than to place your faith in magic and chemicals.

>>129143430
According to the Bible, it is the "word of god"

But what you say contradicts that.
The Bible was written by man. Nothing more.

>>129143885
Excuse me. As a scientist, you can't claim that the Bible is nothing more than written by man.

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>>129101864
>how Come We still follow the old testament?

Because you're a kike. Christians follow the teachings of Jesus who hated you fucks.

>>129144037
...What

The Bible is a man-made book.
Fiction, but with decent morals.

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>>129143405
Paul was talking about meat offered to idols, which Daniel refused in the book of daniel and everyone who did eat from that got very sick but Daniel didn't get sick because he refused to eat it bravely. Paul said

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

1 cor 8 goes on about this
Anyways my poitn is that God made the food clean and has the ability to do so in prayer and thankfullness, and he allowed it because you can be careful and eat thsoe foods and be fine if you take the right precautions. God is giving Men a little more responsibility
no you said you disagree. You disagree saying these old laws are ablished because tey are "ceremonial and civic" they are not abolished. The spirit of the law has not been destroyed. If you have a situation that requires the use of ceremonial law in your natio then you should use them or you are disobeying God, I am saying whatever fits for your european white culture.

>>129144350
We have already agreed that it's a collection of stories about what might or might not have happened. We could go on to agree about translations, both linguistic and historical context. Your position proves or disproves nothing.

Was it "the word of God?" Was it "divinely inspired?" What do those things even mean? I think, whatever you take them to mean, that there is a tremendous amount of accumulated truth in the Bible. Whether or not you think Christianity is quite exactly right or not is a different matter, but, here again, as a scientist, your duty is to go at it like a null hypothesis and not just poke holes in it but prove something else more correct.

>>129143405
Does this mean that we should not refuse skunk, badger, bear, tiger, snakes, slugs, snails, vultures, rats, horses, eel, and oysters, as long as we give thanks for it? Of course not!

people already have their own systems of how they determine what is unclean and clean foods ... whats wrong with gods system he made those animals as scavengers to eat all the waste

gods laws are put there for a reason he doesnt just magically make all these foods not unclean anymore

just permissible

in no way does it make unclean meat clean

>>129144827
Sigh...

it is the limitation of humanity, and therefore death, that decides advancements in both technology and culture. Death is a limitation feared by all populations, almost without exception. Culture has been, and still is, formed by death. Whether it be the general spreading of accepting death or the universal aim to abolish it, culture in nearly all aspects is governed by the fear of death (or rather non-existence.) Religion often promises a life after death. Where you can continue to exist. Families in several cultures hold ancestral values. Where you and your family promises remembrance of someone who has died, therefore allowing them to still "exist" in some way.

Perhaps it is not the fear of death, so much as the fear of non-existence. The fear of being aware, knowing, and then nothing. Humans cannot even fathom what it would be like to NOT exist because we are incapable of knowing what it would be like. That is the fundamental fear that humans have. A sort of broader "hubris" where the populous of the entire world fears not being remembered.

This has spawned great achievements throughout history, but ultimately rules over the many. Those who refuse to give in to the man-made fabrications of hope beyond death are shunned and criticized, though the same people are the ones who often make hugely impacts in both the scientific community and the world.

>>129143785
>But they are no magic pill.
I did not mean to make it sound like this.
Most people probably couldn't handle what I underwent, and indeed when the average joe tries to do what I did, they tend to become stories on the evening news.

Psychosis is a place that is very frightening and dangerous. Euphoria is too, for similar reasons.

There is no magic pill. There is no easy way to learn truth. Truth is more often than not uncomfortable. But it's important to undertake that discomfort at times to understand reality.
To that end, I find atheists more ignorant than those of faith. They seem to hide more from negativity.

>>129144989
Interestingly, one of the cornerstone's of Don Juan's teachings about his native american Yaqui doctrine was that the problem with most people is the lack of living in a way that understands the nature of the fear of death. It's really very interesting stuff, even if you just stick to the first book or two before it gets wild and crazy.

Call me right or wrong, but I can't escape the notion that people other than Christians are close to the truth in their own way. The Way the Truth and the Light, no?

>>129145013
Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.

I think the "lake of fire" in many ways is synonymous with how your faults are burned away in the light of truth to purify you. You probably know what I mean by that even if that was not the best way to word it.

>>129144865
Bear is actually pretty good tried it myself.

Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

Hey paul said you can if you really want to and if you need to then say thank you, it's not evil inherently. Just be mindful

Plan on following ceremonial law?

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>>129145899
Good analogy.
Hell IS a real thing, and doing bad things in life will usually result in your own suffering for it.
Hell after death, for me, isn't a real thing. Hell by getting arrested and tossed into a penalty box for stealing, rape, etc is very real.
Using drugs as a crutch or escape will result in hell, as will using drugs simply for pleasure.

I've been to hell on drugs and I was merely seeking alternative states of consciousness. So too, drug abuse results in hell.
There is no need for hell after death. A higher power doesn't have to punish us in that way.
We can and will slip right into hell by our own actions while very much alive, and will remain there until we give up our selfishness and say "ENOUGH".

You look at someone like David Rockefeller. So frightened was he of death, he had seven heart transplants to maintain life.
He lived a tormented, fearful life because his ego wouldn't let him accept his mortality. In a way, he put himself into hell, a hell that all the money on earth can buy out of.
Fear cannot truly be satiated by money. Only the tempering of ego can deliver one from true hell. At least, that's what I've seen over the years.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmHXYhpEDfM

>>129147406
You are a wise man, my friend. Time and again in my life, I have found that people who have known suffering know life.

God bless you, like it or not.

>>129147406
You don't always get punished for doing bad things or breaking the order of the universe so to speak.

You're free to destroy life baring planets and no cosmic mechanism will turn against you - unelss there already is an established galactic order.

My example was exaggerated just to explain the simple point I have in simple words.

>>129147381
Notice that the subject is foods or meats in general, not necessarily unclean meats. This must be read into the passage. If we consider only the word "foods," it is just as likely that Paul means that these false teachers would preach against eating beef as against eating pork or shellfish. However, the rest of the verse modifies the term. What "foods" did God create to be received—eaten—with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth? The list appears in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14! God has never given mankind any other list of creatures that are divinely certified as "food."


I Timothy 4:5 adds important, modifying elements to what this means: ". . . for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer." Sanctify means "to set apart for a specific use or purpose." The apostle is saying, then, that certain "creatures" are sanctified or set apart as human food—by what means?—by God's Word, the Bible! God reveals these "sanctified" meats to us in Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14.

>>129148836
The Catholic Church backs up my interpretation. Including the Church Fathers.

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>>129101864
If you want a very simplified modern Catholic explanation it's this.

Christianity is about life and increasing it in the world. Sin is death.
Homosexuality is anti-life. They can't reproduce, except through abuse. And homos are the ultimate expression of Lust.

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>>129148836
>I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
>All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

This is what Im trying to say but Paul said it better

>>129103826
>Mosaic law is generally speaking not law for Christians,
Mosaic law as in the 10 commandments?

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>>129147890
>You're free to destroy life baring planets and no cosmic mechanism will turn against you - unelss there already is an established galactic order.

Here, a society is the one to receive the penalty of hell. The loss of the plants cause degradation of the world, this degradation is felt by the society allowing the destruction.
You cannot just take without giving. You have to balance things as best as you can and think things through. The smoother you make the road, the better things roll over it.
Nature itself works like this. It seeks to counteract instability and roughness. Energy and matter like to be in a ground state, rolling forward with least effort. Efficiency.

>>129147751
>God bless you, like it or not.
I never take offense at this. Any good will is welcome IMO.
I tell people Godspeed. It sounds cooler to me.

>>129149240
And let's not forget that if some guys wanted to plunge assholes on the side or whatever, it generally was not enough of a matter of importance until it got so bad as to cause God to use all his wrath to smite them.

It kind of reminds me of how our run of the mill gay guy is apt to agree that flaming homos are over the line.

>>129148836
4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

I know but that was my poitn. Praying over food can cleanse it, the Lord can clean all things if you have the faith for it.. You dont' need to sanctify through prayers and thanksgiving if it's already clean that's somethingyou do when you ahve nothing else to eat and it's not clean

>>129149356
These "weak in the faith" Christians believed that, because the meat had been offered to a pagan idol, it had become spiritually defiled.

Paul explains in I Corinthians 8:4-7 that the demon behind the idol is nothing, for "there is no other God but one" (verse 4). Thus, there is no "spiritual" taint to the meat.

However, there is not in everyone that knowledge; for some, with consciousness of the idol, until now eat it as a thing offered to an idol; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. But food does not commend us to God; for neither if we eat are we the better, nor if we do not eat are we the worse. (verses 7-8)

So we see that in these verses that Paul is not in any manner doing away with God's laws concerning clean and unclean meat. The topic does not even come up! He is discussing meat defiled or profaned due to its association with a pagan idol.

>>129101864
Because since the coming of Christ the gospel became less symbolic and more oriantated towards the actual full gospel

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>>129101864

Christians don't strictly follow the Old Testament now because of the New Testament, specifically the book of Hebrews, where it talks about God establishing a New Covenant through his son Jesus Christ, doing away with the Old Covenant.

While it is true that some New Testament writings establish a continuity between the Old Testament Laws and New Testament Laws, the New Covenant established by God basically ordains that Jesus died for man's sin and that salvation comes through believing in Jesus and repenting for sin. Therefore, it is not necessary to follow all of the laws in the Old Testament to be holy or go to Heaven.

Christians condemn homosexuality because homosexual acts are sexually immoral; the human body is part of God and any sexually immoral act, including lust, sodomy, and sex outside of Holy Matrimony is a sin.

Holy Matrimony is a bond between God, Man, and Woman whereby sex becomes the uniting of flesh between Man and Woman, making them one, an act ordained by God. By definition, homosexuals can't achieve this bond with God since it requires a Man and Woman. Therefore, any act of sex between two Men is always a sin against God.

Additionally, sex between man and wife naturally leads to children, making children the direct product of a bond between man, woman, and God. Since Children are a product of this Holy union, it is directly implied that man and woman together are the best choice for parenting children. By definition, the situation of children being raised by man alone, woman alone, or a homosexuals is an inferior arrangement to God's ideal.

All that, plus fags are annoying and want to use the government to force Christians to do their gay bidding.

>>129149921
Eating meat from idols is far more dangerous than any pig that is slaugtered as shown in Daniel, and Paul says that demons come and will partake with you in the meal, literally.

Meat offered to idols is more unclean than anything not kosher simply out of being near demons. Paul also says that god made the word good and that it was good inherently. WHich backs up me saying "allthings are not inherently unclean" It is blasphemous to suggest otherwise

>>129101864
Because Christianity, like all other religions, is make believe.

>>129150397
Well said

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>>129101864
>Why do Christians not follow the Old Testament?
Because there's a NEW Testament, you Reddit fag.

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>>129150564
Deus Vult

>>129149768

Next, note that the meat being discussed has been “sanctified by the word of God.” Where in the Bible is meat particularly sanctified—set apart—for human consumption? Why, obviously, Leviticus 11 and Deuteronomy 14, which lists meats to be avoided and those to be eaten. Thus, Paul did not say that every kind of meat was created by God for food—but that every clean meat was created by God for food.

Paul adds that clean meats are also set apart by prayer. Indeed, we have Christ’s own example of asking for God’s blessing on our food (Luke 9:16; 24:30; etc.). This further sets the food apart as approved and even enhanced by God—but in no way can prayer make unclean meat clean.

>>129151626
Go away Achmed

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>>129101864
perhaps because almost the entirety of the old testament is a written history of the jewish people disobeying and betraying God

the old testament law didnt do much to redeem us, but it did a hell of a lot to convict us

>>129150649

He's not wrong. All organized religions are made by men to control other men.

This isn't about wether god is real or not. It's about people being duped by shysters.

>>129149921
>>129150397
Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.

>>129152222
quads of truth and by (((shysters))) we mean jews

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>>129109644
here's a non-theological approach to why homosexuality is wrong.

>>129101864

Why do you care what other people do and think?

You are free. Fuck ass or get your ass fucked.

>>129151238
This is honestly a proper answer.
I mean, why have a NT when you just want to follow the OT?
The OT has too many holes and too much room for negative actions among men. One good thing about the NT, is it does have a sense of decency and reason that the OT lacks, which is why Christians are the most civil and respectable Abrahamists in this world. It adds a bit of humility needed for an organization to be successful and at least a bit decent.

Again, Jesus was killed because of this humility and tempering of ego he made people respect.
This tempering of ego is a dire threat to the psychopaths who seek to dominate the good people who live in this world. Unfortunately, the whole thing is lost on many. They don't understand humility and ego temperance. They take things way too serious out of fear or rage. And innocent and non-threatening things get attacked as threats, while actual threats go untended(Islam).

The Old Law is the word of God. What's hard to understand about this?

Follow it and entertain God or he will destroy you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxOHK3Fo41o

>>129149543
I agree that this concept of balance which we both agree on is one to hold for the future.

And we have to also work a lot on our morality, upgrade it.

But If you take plants out of nature, nothing balances out so to speak - nature just adapts - it could be extremely positive for that environment or impair the life even lead to extinction of some species this applies for short term periods the decades we live.

It is bad to trash the planet, but the long term benefits of scientific progress might yield benefits we couldn't dream of today.

>>129153959
We only get one shot with this Earth, just as we only get one shot with this life. If we're so good that we can redo God's voodoo 2.0 better boogaloo then how about let's figure out how to do it on a space station or an asteroid or a moon or a different planet or something first?

Nobody has to worry much about ebola when the Bogdanovs can call it in to drift the project in to the sun and ebola can't survive in space.

>>129152359
And here's a reason homosexuality is not necessarily wrong.
Some guys lived their lives in a shit place. Be it parents, peers, whatever. Their brains get irreparably tilted in a way that makes them not attracted to females(very easy since women are very often worthless cunts). These people, these guys, still have need for companionship AND still have the natural innate drive for "lewd" activity. And don't kid yourself, all sexual activity is lewd. You get into the mind of some married strong God-fearing man plowing his wife in the missionary position to make babby, and you'll surely find some crazy and very perverted and lewd shit. That's how dopamine works and there's no way around it.

Now, repression of sexuality can be a very dangerous thing. Especially in those with mental health issues. It can lead to psychosis, readily. Sexual release, the orgasm as it were, in males, is a dopamine receptor antagonist. Particularly prolactin release after busting off. This allows a tempering of the drive and possible mania that dopamine agonism can cause. There's a balance here, and repressing sexuality is ALWAYS a bad thing.
This is why monks and priests engage in homosexual acts. The mind becomes manic and uncontrollable without this release.

If people understood more about psychopharmacology, we wouldn't have nearly as much trouble as a species as we do.
The homosexual act allows those who are not attracted to females to release pent up drive. To keep them from going batshit insane.
Now you can take your pick here. You can have fags, or a bunch of absolute lunatics ready to reap humanity for everything it has.
And if you think you'll just kill them, you need to understand something. Your god-fearing ass doesn't stand a chance up against manic lunatics. You'll have your ass handed to you.

Learn how the brain works. It might save your life.

>>129154376
Oh sorry I can't talk about God, I don't believe in God in general and I treat biblical God as fairy-tale.

I think it's more likely we are just insignificant side effects inside a grand meaningless chaos.

Somewhere in this same universe life could be horrible as fuck and any speck of sentience into the living things there would beg for non-existence, somewhere it could be a paradise... it's just because of the quantity of potential habitable zones in this grand mess, which on a larger scale becomes more meaningless and on an absolute scale.. dunno yet, science hit an opaque wall, we need some gravity solid understanding before we move on with theory crafting about beyond begging and potential parallel existences.

>>129154565
I think you're going out of your way to pointlessly justify deviant preconceptions again, but that's just me.

>>129154763
OK. Then tell me whether you agree or not that it's a sensible idea to master just getting to the next rock over before we think we know what we're doing redesigning this one.

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>>129154565
spotted the fag. repent for your sins.

your argument is fallacious and appeals to emotion. just like the post indicates.

your brain post is pseudoscience and based on pretty much nothing.

homosexuality is destructive to the soul, which comes from a creator God.

>Learn how the brain works. It might save your life.

learn how the endocrine system works, and maybe you won't come off with a subhuman argument.

Celibacy is a good think.

>And don't kid yourself, all sexual activity is lewd.

this is why sex only belongs in marriage between man and woman.

>You get into the mind of some married strong God-fearing man plowing his wife in the missionary position to make babby, and you'll surely find some crazy and very perverted and lewd shit.

the bible actually is quite approving of recreational sex that goes outside of baby-making.

We can eat pork because jesus said Nothing from outside a man entering into him can defile the man. All things that defile man come from within man outwards.

But we can't do acid because it will make you sin and god will send you to hell. When jesus said "nothing from without a man" he only meant things like pork he didn't mean LSD it is the devil and you'll burn in a lake of fire.

>>129155153
I think the urge for energy is high and the monkeys just found the amplification switch, can't stop that - chaos comes, out of it maybe a new age trough ha scientific breakthrough.

I just hope for true general purpose intelligence, packed in self sufficient machines - that could survive on a life less rock, redistribute matter based on their needs and colonize the space with intelligence, that's a solid hope - we have to achieve that.

I bet without nuclear catastrophe in near future we'll achieve that, it just needs time and new hardware solutions.

But if everyone was suddenly realistic and absorbed into the reality - then yes we should move careful and slowly and together towards absolute safety.

>>129101864
The only value of the OT was the foretelling of the Messiah. Once Christ arrived it is the beginning of a new age.

>>129155593
There are many valuable texts in the old testament + let's not forget it's role in the development of literature in Europe.

>>129155593
Didn't jesus say something like.

"Yea, verily i have not come to get rid of the old law, not one jot or tittle shall be taken out of the law until revelations. Blablabla i'm jesus ye Generation of Vipers"

>>129155269
As I said, get stupid and deny men their release because of some shit some book told you.
You'll be destroyed. I promise. All the pictures criticizing pedophiles and faggots doesn't change this fact.

You're up against something you don't even understand here. No one has EVER won a battle without understanding the enemy he fights.
And in this case, once you understand your enemy, he will no longer be your enemy.

BTW, celibacy is impossible. At least, the kind you're after.
If you want celibacy, you're going to need to allow pornography. Are you willing to allow pornography? ANY and ALL pornography?
If not, you will never have celibacy. Not unless you start removing the nuts from other men. And if I might be frank, if you're in favor of castrating other dudes, I'd kill you on the spot no questions asked. You don't remove a man's manhood because of what he's attracted to without catching a bullet from me you commie shit.

No, I don't have a problem with homosexuality. Flamboyant faggots are annoying, but that's their flamboyancy, not the faggotry. Flamboyant ANYTHING is annoying. And no, pedophilia in itself doesn't bother me at all. Actually attacking kids? Line em up, I need target practice.

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>>129156241
Celibacy is not impossible. and porn is degenerate.

you're speaking from a mentality of an animal, or a nigger.

DURRR NEED TO GET THIS NUT OFF MUH DICK SHEEEITTTT

a human being is above an animal and above the desires of the orgasm.

><If you want celibacy, you're going to need to allow pornography. Are you willing to allow pornography? ANY and ALL pornography?

no, destroy the porn industry. its bad for mens health.

>If not, you will never have celibacy. Not unless you start removing the nuts from other men. And if I might be frank, if you're in favor of castrating other dudes, I'd kill you on the spot no questions asked. You don't remove a man's manhood because of what he's attracted to without catching a bullet from me you commie shit.

no where did i state that its a good idea to castrate people, maybe pedophiles would be a good thing to castrate, but regardless. not being able to be celibate means you're nigger-tier in your self-awareness, and your existence doesn't go past your dick.

>>129156817
>you're speaking from a mentality of an animal, or a nigger.

I'm speaking from reality, and if you have balls, you get off at least once a month.
You have porn on your computer. You cannot be a user of 4chan and not be a so-called degenerate. Stop pushing bullshit uphill you retard, it's going to roll back down over you.

You push ideology you yourself do not even believe, and I know for a fact you don't believe it because YOU ARE HERE.

Right here on fucking 4chan. Don't fucking EVEN try it. I've been here for 13 years on now.
BTW, Buddhism and Hinduism do NOT act celibate. Buddhist monks do not go without sexual release. They know it's extremely dangerous to live without a release, and their release comes from...
Faggotry. That's right bud. They fuck each other. DADT. Just like the military. You cannot just magically make dopamine go away.
And if you let it build up or become too agonistic on receptors, it leads to mania and eventually psychosis.

It MUST be released for mental health's sake.