Kurzgesagt

>>129090274
tfw my gf unironically watches it because "I like science lol"

at least she's on the pill

>>129090274
>muh ebil commies
Not a single argument in sight, UBI is happening and you Drumpftards can't stop it.

>>129090274
My Bf unironically posts on an anime image board, good thing he's impotent

>>129090274
At least they actual offer solutions, even if they probably won't work. Automation is a real problem that's happening right now and no one seems to care.

>>129091327
Who's it going to be passed by? The Republican president, the Republican house or the Republican senate?

Fact: Only idiots refuse to understand that UBI is the future

>>129090274
You can't even link correctly you stupid fucking nigger.

>>129092046
Facts:Only idiots dont understand UBI is the wet dream of every elite to control every aspect of a citizens life

>>129090274
Its part of the future wether you like it or not. It contradicts itself with your cultural values so I guess sperging out and calling UBI pure communism is a normal reaction

>>129091929
I don't think he meant it would happen tomorrow. More like 10 years from now or so you'll see UBI in most civilized nations.

>>129091327
Enjoy getting killed off UBI fag

>>129092360
Which civilized nations? The ones ravaged by an increasing amount of crime and non-whites or the ones veering hard to the right?

>>129092046
Have you read any book on economics?
Das Kapital doesn't count.

>>129090274
either people get UBI or shit actually becomes free

automation and innovation was supposed to make life easier for everyone, not make very specific individuals richer

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>>129090787
Isn't the channel science based though?

>>129090274
Literally what is the fucking point of automation and artificial intelligence if it doesn't mean freedom from work?

>>129092261
you're right, i'd much rather starve and steal for income. elites loves UBI so much that they have blocked all experiments and legislation attempts at the national level so far

>>129092261
Yes, because giving money to the common people for them to buy necessities is exactly what the elites want.

>>129092813
Popular science

>>129090274
Don't worry. The capitalist that own all of the robots are just going to kill you. There is no left-wing politics when labor has no value.

>>129090787
but they are science based amirite

>>129090274

The whole Kurzgesagt show is so German it hurts. The "hip and cool, but condescending expert-tone at the same time" vibe is strong. Everything even mildly related to society is interpreted from the typical smug liberal 'intelligentsia' perspective. Its like an advanced version of the annoying smart-arse undergrad in online forums.

>>129092813

That's like calling a dentist a doctor

>>129090274
>Muh automation

It's a slow process, and most of the tech is either a fantasy or in an early stage.

Sure, we have robot cars, but there are way more things that needs to be figured out before all cars are robots.

And service jobs like flipping burgers might be gone soon, but still, not going to happen in restaurants. We don't have robots that make proper food and people don't want robot waitresses.

It's just a meme problem.

>>129092813
It's one of those channels that makes itself sound smart to push an (((agenda))).

It's okay for the most part, but as soon as there's any political topic, they automatically adopt the MSM position and talk about it as if it's the only correct viewpoint.

UBI is coming unless you want mass chaos on the streets. People wouldn't be calling for it if they had opportunity, but it seems as everything becomes more efficient, there will be less positions. Not to mention captalism chipping away from behind and trying to make more with paying less. The thing I hate is how there is virtually zero talk about it in Washington, this is a serious fucking matter that no one wants to address, we are not talking 50 years here either, it will happen a lot sooner than that.

The screw turning jobs fucked off a long time ago, now the next thing is skilled trades I kid you not, that will be the next to go. In time, all of you will probably be alive to witness this.

>>129092855
>>129092933
You are low level,kids.
The elites care fuck about money.
The elites care about POWER.
What gives power over you?Money.
What do you get from ubi?Money.

>>129090274
>machines I guess are just destined to take our jobs, so we just hhaaaaave to be laaaazy
i mean you don't hhaaaaaave to be laaaazy, but whatever makes you sleep at night my friend

>>129090787
Even though it's about science

>>129093249
The refugee crisis video was atrocious, but they are pretty good when they stick to hard sciences.

>>129092933
well yeah dumbass they control your income

Whenever I ask liberals from where they will get the money to fund the UBI, they just mumble and act confused. Every single time.

>>129091812
Economists have committed two great magic tricks over the centuries. One is to dismiss notions of finite material constraints with the word "Malthusian," and the other is to dismiss notions of humans irrelevance with "muh buggy whip." With these two sleights of hand all concerns over ecology and automation disappear in a puff of ideology.

There will always be work to do.

>>129093226

Precisely. It won't be here for a while, also by the time it comes around we will have brain modifications which will allow humans to compete by becoming part with machine learning and increase the brain's computational power. Sooner or later the divide between super-humans and the plebs will be immense, and the former will show the latter the same regard we show for ants or random third-world villagers. People who go on UBI and stay biolets will be left behind.

>>129092813
It's Bill Nye Science
they made a whole video a year ago that was basically a sobfest about Syria trying to push #LetThemIn

>>129092613
Yeah good point. UBI would be great in an all white homogenous society. Fucking niggers ruin everything.

>>129093377
The elites don't need power over people anymore once they're rich and have robots. What're people going to do, rebel over their drones and robot security?

>>129090274
Unironically grill yourself, cuckold slave.

>>129093120
couldn't have said it better

>>129090274
>that link

>>129093820
Like shoveling the body's into the Soylent Green masher!

>>129093120
I just like the art style and the more hard science videos, like the ones on the immune system.

I cant wait to get UBI and stay home all day jerking off

>>129090274

Why the fuck is everyone so against not having to work?

legit why the fuck are you so upset about the idea of being able to do what the fuck you want instead of spending 10-12 hours a day making money for someone else?

ignore basic income, explain to me why YOU dont like the idea of not working at a job.

>>129093670
I think you're lying, because obviously it's printed. When there's too much in circulation, drain it back out through taxation. Only a total cuck to the financial lords or a trust fund kiddy on 4 thinks that fiat is scarce.

>>129092710
Automation and innovation exist to make the people that devise and utilize it wealthier. It was never intended for you.
Moreover, things cannot become free, as scarcity is real and the human population continues to grow. Don't confuse your economic irrelevance for a post-scarcity world.
People that live in literal dung huts in Africa are useless, but that doesn't make the price of the iPhone zero.

>>129094401
lol, and if they say "It's not viable" they can kiss a robot ass, because by the point robots steal almost all jobs, everything will be ridiculously cheap to produce.

>>129090274
I actually work on automating machines. Knowing that I'm partially the reason that you guys will become jobless, fills me with glee.

>>129093226

This is the most naive post I've ever seen.
Sounds like it came form the factory floor in the 1930s

>>129094401
1. Because failure to launch, because scary.
>I am ENTITLED to mommy and daddy!
2. Because parasites spending the work of centuries ago on NEETing today.
>I am ENTITLED because muh inheritance

>>129094031
>what is megalomania
You may be correct that from your point of view they dont even need power today,but you fail to understand that power is a drug and the elites are addicted to it.Nobody once tasting power will give up power and only wants more and more.

>>129094401
Also
3. Because, in the West, people identify with their muh jobs to an insane degree because they have nothing else.

>>129093377
>everything is automated and digitalized
>there is no more or very little productive labor an individual can do
>capital providers are not interested in providing capital to a non-competitive business owner or employee
>all wealth centralizes with no way to produce anything profitable due to scale benefit and barrier of entry to markets rising
>but getting the free money that is taxed from these centralized oligarchs is somehow them having more control over you than the alternative where you starve without work

>>129093226
>It's a slow process

It's not just automation, it is technology in general and it is not slow. They have already replaced all the bank tellers here with machines, including the super markets, they just have 1 guy there just in case you need help using it. Then you have, like I said technology in general. I will give you one example, we go to machining expos every year with our company and the Inspection guys are already shitting bricks because they have got machines now that are so accurate and efficient, you just put the part in and press a button and they will give you dimensions which are very accurate, within .0001.

Usually it can sometimes take these guys an entire day for a first article, or even a week if the part is complex, but with something like this their presense is really not needed a whole lot, not like before, these guys get paid 90k a year for doing this job using a cmm. Sure it's expensive as fuck but everything in this industry is, and if that means not paying him all that money and instead buying a machine, they will do it.

>>129095053
You're right, I'm just saying that elites will be extremely powerful because of robotics whether you give the general population UBI or not. The difference is nearly negligible, people would be dependent upon them.

>>129094802
>words that have no meaning.
i asked why YOU dont like the idea of people not needing to work.
whats your problem with not working?

>>129095100
maybe in america lmfao

>>129095053
Interventional revolution when?
>>129095266
>little boy thinks he needs daddy's permission to trade, create or barter with other people
Aren't you in the least ashamed to be this cucked to power and so lacking in initiative that all you can do is whine about the muh other kids instead of making something useful?

>>129090274
Let us throw our shoes into the machines that will stop the machines!

>>129094401
Because it dulls the soul and degenerates the mind if you dont have anything other to do than entertain yourself and chasing delights.

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"the future is quite easy - tax all automated industries heavily, spread the tax income to the non working people - universal basic income is the fix to this - until almost nobody needs to work if they dont want to/have to - fuck the 1% who want to get insanely rich - it just changes from the "means of production" to "the means of consumption"

This is a comment from the video. We really are going to have to have a civil war aren't we.

>>129095455
Robotics doesnt equal ubi.I can make my own robots.But when im on ubi,i cant.And the circle closes.

>>129095745
its not up to people to find you a purpose.

>>129095568
Oh, you're here for the bantz. nm I have no problem with not working but I understand these tedious cocksuckers well enough to answer for them with the words that strike fear of self-recognition into their hearts.
Also you are a class-conscious people and are cucked by your entire system.
>>129095745
>muh fap fap 1488 fap fap
>muh arbeit macht frei
get a jobbik

People should be encouraged to spearhead research, space exploration, and environmental protection after robots make most ordinary jobs obsolete.

People should also be required to be sterilized if they want to receive UBI without doing any work.

UBI wouldn't happen, poor and stupid people would be removed from the gene pool.

>>129094785
the factory floor still exists.

>>129095305
>They have already replaced all the bank tellers here with machines, including the super markets, they just have 1 guy there just in case you need help using it.
and behind the scenes there are tens of thousands of people working to support that. you have no clue how often things break in IT.

>>129095569

Then we revert back to an agrarian society while the mega-rich live over us as literal gods. You're just trying to support rightwing policies in the hopes they'll notice, aren't you cuck boy faggot

>>129096002
Depends how large the UBI is. Also, you might not be able to make the entry cost to make robots and market them unless you have thousands saved up.

>>129094401

I've posted this multiple times. People who have socialist/communist values suffered from child abuse and/or genetic defects, i.e. low intelligence.

>>129095569
>daddy's permission
What the fuck? is this how redditors make arguments nowadays? you didn't adress a single point. how will anything you produce be remotely commercially competitive compared to what large automated organisations will produce?

>>129096258
you have literally no proof of that at all.

>>129096002
You consistently ignore the point that UBI is IN ADDITION TO work income. Get a temp job and use the money to build some robots, or root through scrap for components. This is a way to harvest the muh divine power of human greed in a way that doesn't fuck people over.

No one that won't pay you to work is going to pay you to consume. Once you are useless you will be removed.

>>129096258
To be fair, Socialism is different as technology changes. The effectiveness of political policies changes as the world changes. Countries used to make their profits and upkeep primarily on tariffs and trade taxes.

>>129094471
>implying rich people actually devise said innovations and automations
Because trump is so innovative, amirite?

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>>129090274
Are there literally people out there who are against UBI? How retarded do you have to be?

>>129096426
He's referencing what an oblivious retard you are, buddy.

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>>129090274
>tfw NEET bucks is NOT a meme

>>129096414
Isn't that what you were saying? That you could only do what the overlords tell you to on basic income, and do not have two hands to labor with?
>commercially competitive
That's why you need to kill yourself, autist. Don't fucking compete, babby. Create an economy that isn't reducible to gibstickets and do something better, or quicker, or closer to home. Wtf is it with you dickless larpers that you can't do anything without being whipped into it?
Did I address the point well enough for you to understand yet, or are you some fucking liberal cuck who needs to be walked through it step and column?

>>129096006
You dont say
The problem is ubi will tell you there is no purpose for you other than vote for the party that gives 0.0005 more ubi credits.
The real problem ubi represent is something you,me or anyone over 5 today cant see,because we didnt born in the ubi world.
Lets face reality shall we?What do you think ubi will cover?It will cover necessary minimum food,necessary minimum clothing and something you can call a home?But they show you the honey,that gee dont be afraid,if you want more you can always still work.
The joke is happening when you realize the elites will have the ability to suddenly choose from multiple magnitudes more people to do something they would pay for.
Now you tell me, how do you find a purpose for yourself if you born in ubi society.

>>129096086
I dont vote kikes,thanks

>>129090274
Who's the most /pol/ approved youtuber?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJN90bVVU_4

>>129096483
See
>>129097033

>>129093925
it's even funnier because in this video they discuss that we have less jobs now a days and they will only become less thus why do we need syrians to fill in the so called jobgap kurzgesagt was talking about in his videos? He is contradicting himself.

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>>129090274
>his opinion is the opposite of mine, wow fuck this guy

Why do Americans still post on /pol/? Only very few of you have anything good to say.

>>129096189
>register clerks are going to turn right around and pick up IT jobs instead
Dumbass, if they were qualified for IT, they wouldnt be working a register

>>129090274
the same youtuber that btfo gooby gators and adolphin hitler conspiracies

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My idea to create a basic income without it being "free money" would be to make it so people own their online identity where people can sell their own browsing and online habits instead of big companies forcing you to agreeing to let them sell it

>>129097175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpmYpJ5a2KQ&

>>129096189

Yeah, but that's just 1 friggin example, not even a drop in the bucket, there are so many IT workers here in California it's beyond pathetic. This idea that IT or the service industry is going to save the middle class alone is as pie in the sky as it comes, Yet we continue to import even more low skilled workers here. It's a race to the bottom, the powers that be want infinite growth, the lobbyists, so even if we say that automation and technology will not replace jobs, these guys will make it so worthless that people will not bother working anymore. It doesn't matter to them if you are already living in this country, settled for 20 or 30 years, they want the rich and the poor, that's it.

This is why they specifically go after white people, because white people have standards, they want a good job, good working conditions, good food, good house, they don't want people snuggling up to that idea. It's obvious what they are doing.

>>129097033
You're missing the point that UBI is not a REPLACEMENT for work income, but IN ADDITION TO work income. You want more? Get a job. 0.0005 more UBI credits could be earned in well under a day. Go find some temp work patching potholes or weeding some old lady's flower bed or something.
Are you so bereft of initiative that you can't find something worth doing, or spend some time on making your minimum shelter better, or growing a fucking garden? Are you that cucked?
>>129097333
IT jobs suck. You almost make more money per hour working the parts counter at the auto parts shop.

>>129097009
I've been reading American posts all day due to the Comey event. Between all the shitposting and half-assed posts I have not seen a poster as dumb as you. You are not in touch with reality. Stop posting, go to reddit and never return.

>>129097418
We can call it cuckbucks.

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Here is a table that was purchased in Canada during their UBI experiment.

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>>129097437
Why is this allowed

>calls for a universal income

Literally doesn't though, it's a fairly unbiased presentation of the upcoming problems with automation and they mention UBI as a possible solution without going into detail, just merely mentioning it. Stop being such a bitch and looking for things to get mad about, faggot.

>>129097288
Because in the near term they want to grow GDP, and the precise timetable of automation is unknown.
Also because they want to ensure that humans from worthless environments are included in their Star Trek future, lest they be left to rot.
>>129097561
Tell us how much you think retail workers make per hour.

>>129097009
What an abhorrent series of posts

>>129097635
It pulls in ad money

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>>129097567
>muh reality
>muh game
>you're upsetting muh game

>>129090274
I like their space videos but when they touch society it's awful. I was expecting UBI bullshit when I saw the title of today's video.

>>129097333
you do realize that the net worth, in some sense the economic productivity of individuals, actually increases over time, right?

>>129097465
>there are so many IT workers here in California it's beyond pathetic.
by "IT" in my previous post, i meant "Information Technology", not "dumb idiot telling people to turn their computers on and off again".

if you want to automate more things, you are going to have way more people working in IT.

>>129097789
>problems with automation
"oh no, things are more efficient, whatever will we do"
if we have a limited amount of space to grow into on earth, and we can like 3D print entire rockets or some shit, don't you think that we're going to expand to other planets? all of the fat dumb pigs will stay here eating grasshopper goo or some shit, everyone else will work on colonization.

>pseudo intelligence youtube channel
why are normies so attracted to channels with pretty lay-outs and a nice voice that uses a fancy language to appear smart?

>>129097796
In specialty retail in a high-cost urban area, about $18-$20 per hour. Web designers make about $12/hr all in.
>>129098171
Growth is negotiable. Keep the cancer on earth.

>>129097561
You fail to see my point.
Let me break it down so you understand.
Take a society without ubi, with a population of 1000.There will be something like 50 to 100 people without work,meaning 50 to 100 in poverty and hunger.
Now introduce automation and ubi.
Now you have 1000 people not starving but in poverty.
But you killed 995 jobs.That means there will be only 5 jobs left for those who want more.
The power is hiding in the process of who is allowed to get those 5 jobs to get more than not starving.

Theyre right you know.

Without middle class the consumption will fall like a stone and we know middle class jobs are going away in the near future. Less jobs for doctors, engineers, code monkeys and such while other fields get gutted completely.

Its easy to be against ubi now but you or your children will be forced out of a job thanks to automation. This is a simple fact illustrated and backed by the speed and scope of current technology and its advancement.


Will you be against Ubi when youre out of job? When your grandchildren cant find a job for their life?

>>129098171
>you do realize that the net worth, in some sense the economic productivity of individuals, actually increases over time, right?
Okay? What does that have to do with the fact that millions of people arent going to qualify for the it jobs that replace their low skill work?

>>129098279
so what is the alternative?

>>129098253
You cant seriously think that the average retail worker makes anything close to $20 per hour. Most retail work is not working for whole foods in Berkeley.

>>129099283
a world with less humans

>>129098363
There is a solution.Its just not favored because the elites would have to spend a fuckton of money to start it.Its called space.

>>129098363
Also to add the notion that UBI will only allow basic consumption is retarded.

Most of the 1st world economy is tied to things which are beoynd basic. Phones,TVs, coffee, medicine etc. These things make a big bulk of the economy and politicians+companies wont let the market to crash down because UBI is not enough to buy these products

>>129099283
see
>>129099463

>>129098171
You evolved to live in this biosphere during this period of time. Manned space travel is a retarded waste of resources that no one is going to finance.
>>129098253
Filtered.

>>129098363
the problem is that those with jobs have no incentive to keep working if all the lazy bums get equal pay for sitting on their ass all day

>>129090274
The fucker said that because legal mexican immigrants commit less crimes than burgers in the US and because of this all the muslim immigrants are a good thing and will lead to a decrease in crime in Europe and thus europeans should stop being such racist biggots.

>>129098171
>you do realize that the net worth, in some sense the economic productivity of individuals, actually increases over time, right?
Economic productivity is the antithesis of material productivity. Sorry about your precious muh growth feefees.
>>129098279
>Now you have 1000 people not starving but in poverty.
Not all customers will want services from robots. Those customers will go out of their way to procure human services through barter or what have you, using whatever skills and materials they can procure to do better than what the machine will provide. The argument about automation creating jobs is true, just not on net, and not nearly to the extent they imagine.
It is also still possible to reduce consumption in order to save gibstickets.
Neoliberalism demands that all exchange take place in the market economy. UBI in and of itself does not.
>>129099352
Parts counter is above average. If you want an average, then closer to $12, then. Not worth it for all the extra time lost.

>>129099463
Not just space, also research and environmentalism and history.

>>129099555
what about space

>>129099607
UBI doesnt imply communism, there is no reason why they wouldnt get paid more

>>129099607
They don't. UBI does NOT REPLACE wages. It augments them.

>>129099488
Is there a reason you think "companies" are going to charge themselves to manufacture goods for people that literally do nothing?
The reason it happens today have to do with labor's capacity to damage productivity. Once production is decoupled from the teeming masses you are just an expense on the balance sheet.

>>129090274
Machines have and always will take current jobs away from us. This is the story since the beginning of civilization. People always seem to find something to do with their time though and life always seems to get better. This isn't a coincidence because we stop doing a job a machine can be taught or built to do and instead, we do something better with our time, resources we want get cheaper and standard of living increases.

This has happened without the help of SJWs all along. Why do we need them now?

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>>129097009
>do something better, or quicker, or closer to home.
You do realize we're addressing a situation in which machines can do anything many times better, faster, and closer to home than any person could ever conceivably do it, right?

>>129099607
>>129099929
>>129099973
>>129100002

Just compromise, see >>>129096102

>>129099929
>>129099973
so a large part of society will earn more than the non-working part? So basically a worldwide gibs system which will drive prices up and make the UBI useless after a few years of inflation because all the poor fucks will demand a raise in the UBI

>>129100214
Your post is meaningless. You aren't smart enough for research, manned space travel is a waste of resources, and the most productive thing you could do for environmental conservation is suicide.

>>129099799
Thats farfetched wishful thinking in opinion,but at least its possible.Its still not a bright future for mankind.
>>129099806
You cant realistically expect that people are compatible with whatever job there is left.
>>129099916
Colonise planets,make space habitats,whatever.
Automation poses a threat because we are confined to a single place called Earth.

>>129100516
>colonizing other worlds and spreading human civilization is a waste of resources
fuck off

>>129100746
>Colonise planets,make space habitats,whatever.
I don't understand how that will change things

>>129100002
Why do you assume companies will "charge" themselves instead the customer?

>>129100794
>spending hundreds of trillions of dollars to maybe let a few hundred people grow radishes on mars is a waste of resources
Yeah

>>129100214
UBI shouldn't exist at all. Countries that are even in a position to consider UBI have such high standards of living, that the poorest people in those countries are complaining about how they can't afford enough data on their mobile phone - not where their next meal is coming from. I think they're gonna be alright if the government doesn't give them money or force companies to have expenses that have nothing to do with supply and demand.

>>129100057
>You do realize we're addressing a situation in which machines can do anything many times better, faster, and closer to home than any person could ever conceivably do it, right?
Then you're addressing a hypothetical situation which cannot exist. Consider the capital, energy, material, and environmental costs of that situation, and you will find that it just ain't happening.
>>129100746
>You cant realistically expect that people are compatible with whatever job there is left.
Again, you make the error of believing that "jobs" need to come from your masters.
>>129100327
>So basically a worldwide gibs system which will drive prices up
Why would production be confined to the minimum scheduled by UBI, rather than increased to meet whatever demand the credits+wages in circulation would represent?

>>129100949
Because charging customers that do nothing is simply charging itself.
People that contribute nothing are literally sustained from your balance sheet and nothing else.

>>129101267
>afford enough data on their mobile phone
The real problem is that mobile data is artificially scarce and that the marginal cost of that data needs to be regulated down to cost + a small percentage. The Internet is a utility. It's time to start treating it like one.

>>129100746
>You cant realistically expect that people are compatible with whatever job there is left.
You realize that industrialization brought the same concerns and fears, right? "Oh noes, what am I gonna do now that a chainsaw can cut down 30 trees an hour wheras it takes my ax 30 minutes to cut down one tree? How will I survive?!

What about the "file clerk" at the insurance company? His only job was to put files away and retrieve others. Where is his job now that PCs exist?

Jobs available change and people either adapt or they don't. There's still no shortage of jobs despite 1000s of years of innovations that made jobs easier or obsolete. Why would it change now?

>>129100933
New resources,new technologies,new places,maybe even new friends.Thats a lot of jobs.A lot.
The basic is that you cant automate everything.So you spread out production with the population.That doesnt work if you are confined to one planet.To have potato farms on Europa for example you need humans to oversee the mashines.

>>129101936
Machines replaced mechanical labor and pushed the work force into intellectual specialization. Machine learning will do this better than you. It's only matter of when, not if. This is already the burgeoning playfield of medical diagnostics.

>>129102018
oh, so it's assuming that our population doesn't grow once we take to the stars?

transhumanist and futurist agenda without nationalism is enslavement and the very definition of making the masses worth OBSOLETE.

Production without masses of people, means masses of people will have to perish or be made sterile. It's literally revolution material waiting to explode. They will see this for what it is, and will create some reason to depopulate the world somehow, be it by sterilization or be it by war.

>>129101318
Its not about masters,but what is needed.You know,supply and demand.If you need mathematicians,i wont qualify,and not because lack of willing,for example.
>>129101936
Its not about efficiency.Its about needing a workforce that has requirements that you cant expect random people to meet.

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>>129096660
You are in /pol/ this is the contrarian per excelence hub of the entire internet

>>129102444
No,its assuming we spread the growth between colonies.

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Wait, I don't get it. What's the problem with universal basic income? It's not about being lazy it gives you opportunity to actually be more creative and innovative, which will inevitably advance us faster. This is inevitable anyways so it's not like your opinions matter.

>>129102652
>Its not about efficiency.Its about needing a workforce that has requirements that you cant expect random people to meet.
These problems just sort of solve themselves over time. I wouldn't worry about it.

They are already preparing a class war in many countries by importing conflicting cultures. Nobody will get UBI, because only the elite will be left to thrive in an automated paradise where even the robots are fixed by other robots. Why the fuck would they ever keep useless feeders and breeders around when they could just foment a truly massive class war, and watch the hilarity from their fortifies bunkers until only the select few loyalists and themselves are left. That is the future, your future, no matter where you live

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>>129103061
>problems just sort out themselves over time
yeah,no.

>>129092829
Increase in productivity?

>Freedom from work

You say that like it's a good thing.

>>129094442
What is value?

>>129096660

1 - It makes the working masses obsolete

2 - It gives the financial establishment the power of automated production, and super giant level of production and money, without the headache of human labor

3 - Now infinite amount of neets stay in home, and just 'enjoy life', guided by cultural industry telling them to do so

4 - Depopulation talks start, sterilization or a stupid excuse for some war

5 - International banks now own total production without having to worry about riots or revolutions. They can now also control the number of the obsolete humans in how they like.

Yes, there are people who oppose this. This configuration is shit, and it's bad for 99% of humans.

>>129103013
Tell us about how NEETbux have actually made you more creative and innovative frogposter.

>>129102567
>OBSOLETE
For whom, the ownership classes? Fuck them. You're a slave.
>>129102652
>supply and demand
The error in muh supply and demand theory is that it assumes all production and consumption is mediated by the market. That wasn't so before market participation was legally enforced. People make things when they get bored. If they aren't forced into labor, they'll find something to do, whether it's something as materially worthless as building a giant city in some online game or as important as filling the backyard with berry bushes.
Also, those people who do happen to be employed, and let me also emphasize that there's no requirement that those same people are entitled to hold their positions forever, will generate more credits in the form of wages, symbolizing demand, which supposedly capitalist corporations would supposedly want to chase by producing additional goods above the subsistence level.
>>129103062
Then everyone should get wise and fight the class war rather than the race war.

>>129102376
Step before "mechanical labor". "More efficient farming" replaced the need for everybody to grow their own food, pushing people into mechanical labor - machines pushed people into intellectual persuits, computers replaced those some how. People did ??? after.

Do you think people who lived in the time that farming was getting less labor intensive realized what the next "job" for them was? I'm guessing they didn't. They were no different back then than we are today. We don't know what's in store in the future but it will happen regardless. I'm betting it'll be just fine, whatever it is.

>>129103546
>3 - Now infinite amount of neets stay in home, and just 'enjoy life', guided by cultural industry telling them to do so
Pfft. Anyone who buys industrial culture would be shut out of the informal economy quickly.
>>129103682
Why do you need people to have jobs so badly rather than profit from the automation that put the pressure on them as a class?

>>129090274
Have UBI doesn't mean you have a be lazy.... are you lazy or what? Fitness nazi will take care of you, don't worry fatty.

>>129103627
I meant demand as fuck the bridges are falling apart we need engineers naow.

>>129103682
>I'm guessing it'll be just fine to be an obsolete meat computer.
You can guess whatever you want, champ, but the people that own the factors of production are going to try to distract you from reproducing or turn your progeny into soylent to reduce pressure on their ecosystem.

>>129103255
Do I really have to spell it out? I guess I do. FUCK!

So you can't find qualified labor? My company - a software company no less, can't find software developers because there just aren't enough and everybody wants them. We end up either paying higher wages to attract more applicants or we hire entry level to be able to train people for less money, just like every other company with a labor shortage. Eventually, the labor shortage levels out and there's enough people qualified. So yeah - no one actor is pulling the strings to solve this problem and yet, it gets solved just like it always has.

>>129091929
After trump there wont be reps elected for a little while.

Man these guys should stick to nuclear physics and Ayy lmaos. Their approach to social science has been a fucking shitshow.

>>129103682
>More technology always makes more better jobs for horses
>More technology always makes more better jobs for people

Please explain why one is right and the other is wrong.

>>129103829
>what is ruling elite
Because you will profit from automation not the ruling class.

>>129103829

Netflix, Hollywood, Series, TV Cable, Time magazines, Newspapers, etc

You mean, 99% of population?

Shut the fuck up with your scheme to fuck people.

Only under a nationalist banner transhumanist agendas make any sense, on our age, it's just another slaving away, it's a bribe for the masses not to revolt against riches being made without costs, there are a lot of bad implications on it that you should try to reflect about it.

You can't just think it's good because it's futuristic and 'shinyyyyy'.

People always used modernity as an excuse for social projects, not always it resulted in well being for the masses or the people.

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>>129093249
The thing is you should be smart enough to know when the content is legit and when they are trying to push an (((agenda))), same goes to every channel with controversial topics on youtube

>>129092829
This place is a reddit hub. Needs are a minority around here these days. Most of these idiots here have no idea what to do with themselves once they don't have to work anymore.

>>129093208
But like, a dentist is a doctor though, by the definition of what a doctor is.

>>129103829
I actually don't think people will have jobs in the future, at least not in the sense we think of them today. Americans work 40 hours a week these days. There were times when they worked 14 hour days, 5 or 6 days a week. Now they work 5 days a week for 8 hours. They're able to buy more shit and have better quality of life too.

Work will continue to go down in time and standard of living will continue to increase and it's all because expensive people do less work and less expensive machines/animals/processes do more work. Eventually, the requirement to work even 1 minute a week will be a thing of the past and income will be obsolete. UBI is kind of irrelevant and doesn't fit into this equation anywhere.

>>129104216
You assume codemonkeys will not be replaced in 10 years with AI that does much better work than any human.
You assume that the growing circle of people wanting to work will fit in the shrinking circle of demand.
Eventually you reach a point where nobody will qualify for the job but AI.

>>129103971
Then whatever commission is in charge of public works pays them salary for staying educated and for working whenever a legitimate need arises.
>>129104356
They rule only because we are afraid to starve if we kill them.
>>129104577
Um, checked.
>>129104398
As I said, the informal, non-market economy, the one that will let you owe a small favor in exchange for a small favor. Your head is stuck so far up that economics text's ass that you forgot that people don't have to play your game.

>>129104356
Shhh don't tell these plebs that they are the benefactors. Fucking idiots buying into the bullshit deserve to lose their incomes to automation and starve to death along with their worthless offspring.

>>129104577
The question is not what you want to do with yourself if you dont have to work anymore.The question is what will you be allowed to.
And you cant say 85% of the population wont just degenerate away chasing delights.

>>129101444
Good point

Though the problem here might occur thanks to our current economic model. Will money have to be tied into production in the future? Not necessarily, could the government print money based on population and distribute it trough people themselves?

However it would still be tied into certain amount of goods

>>129090787
>I like science
she must love big bang theery

>>129100746
>You cant realistically expect that people are compatible with whatever job there is left.
I did not. That is why I said people too dumb can be sterilized and receive a comfortable income.

>>129104994
Oh, alright. I agree. Jobs will become temporary and workdays will become shorter, as long as we cut finance's balls off first.
I don't think humanity will be that unneeded. People will still value the human discernment and relationships and prize them above whatever the CNC machine decided to cut out this week, much to brazilNEET's chagrin.

>>129090274
>machines will take our jobs
>need to import millions of third world people to do jobs no on wants to do
>will pay universal income to everyone who doesn't work
>unsustainable system, will collapse on itself due to country's demographics changing thus not enough good hard working people to keep it afloat

>>129105119
Thats not how it works.It looks good in your mind,but thats not how it works.Why would they pay an engineer for a lifetime to fix a bridge once in his life?
Afterall the reason for automation is to stop this.
>>129105340
Sadly im on the same planet as them and my children are on the same planet too.If i cant kill enough of them the only thing left is reason.

>>129105667
>a future in which everyone is an etsy salesman
That would be pretty funny.

>>129105467
I'll watch your face when they sterilize away your family because your children didnt meet the standard.

>>129105022
I'm not assuming anything at all. Of course codemonkeys will get replaced x years in the future. And of course whatever jobs people still have to do after that will get replaced in some amount of time. And of course the pool of jobs people need to actually do will shrink over time.

Where I differ from you is that I am recognizing that the assumption that this trend is a problem is not unique to this decade or this century - but rather, has been argued in one form or another for centuries. Technology is a threat to our current understanding of life as human beings. It always has been and yet throughout the ages, it has improved our lives. One day, it will improve our lives such that we don't even need to work. We still survive - we still eat - and we probably have access to better things and better lifestyles than we can even imagine today. People working in factories at the turn of the 19th century who were threatened by machines taking their jobs felt the same threats and pressures that we're talking about today as well. Yet their lives sucked compared to what we have today. People 100 years from now will be saying the same thing about us. I bet they'll be working on something but it won't be 40 hours a week - and they'll probably be overwhelmed even thinking about how we used to do that way back in 2017.

>>129105394
Money is just an abstraction for the work that is done. When you try to decouple money from the actual economic activity done, it breaks and actors create a black market. Firms decoupled from human labor have no reason to participate in what you currently think of as civil society. It is predicated on a social contract based in the understanding of gains of mutual beneficial cooperation. Once they can mass produce murder drones more efficiently than you can produce a child soldier, when you no longer benefit others through your existence, then you are just a waste of resources.

>>129105772
>not how "it" works (x2)
>Why would they pay
>hasn't heard of insurance
Because they need his expertise for when shit DOES happen. He probably would not be paid as much as when they were actively working on a project, but he would surely get some money over and above basic income in exchange for directing some of his time toward maintaining and updating his knowledge so that it's available when it is needed.
>Afterall the reason for automation is to stop this.
Whose reasons? Whose "it?" What larp are you playing here? Their reasons don't determine my actions. If you think capitalists have the same reasons to automate as socialism, you're mistaken at minimum.
>>129105856
>so NEETburger anon can't actually talk to other humans without a machine in the way
You're disappointing.

>>129090274
People who watch channels like this unironically think they are intelligent and learning something.

>>129106769
Do you know how AI propagates to SAI?
There will be no next people who get replaced by technology.We are the last.This is the end of the cycle.
There needs to be a better solution.It is,but its costly for the elites.

>>129107090
I don't blame them because I was in the same boat a few years ago. I just hope they realize the scam before it's too late.

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>>129090274
>Universal Basic Income
>communist
Confirmed you have no idea what you're talking about. UBI is social democracy at best, it keeps capitalism completely intact. Fucking Elon Musk likes it.

UBI according to hard workers and billionaires:
>If I didn't have to do menial work for 40 hours a week I'd have so much free time to innovate and start new companies and ventures!
UBI according to reality:
>Dude I don't have to work so I'll just sit on my ass and read 4chan/reddit and watch netflix/anime/play vidya all day

Automation of all jobs is a concern, but UBI is a bandaid fix and not an actual solution. Personally, if I don't have anything to do for like 3 weeks I start to go crazy.

In a world were everything is automated especially with the rise of 3D printers (Yeah that meme machine). Imagine a factory that made all its parts with 3D printers, you could make an entire cellphone out of 3D printed parts. Now I know you might be thinking "Oh but cellphones have metal parts you cant do that with a 3D printer" and I will say. Yes, yes you can its called Ultrasosnic Additive Manufacturing[1].

http://fabrisonic.com/ultrasonic-additive-manufacturing-overview/
>"Embed Electronics in solid metal parts. Many electronic components including microprocessors, sensors, and telemetry have been successfully embedded in solid metal part using UAM. The low temperature bond allows delicate components to be embedded in solid metal without overheating."

With this technology you could print a frame that solidly locked the internals of a phone in, making them both safe from damage and guaranteed to not overheat. As you can opt for a material that is better suited for heat transference in specific areas of the frame, for example a embedded heat sync made of copper built into the body of the phone. We already have machines that assemble the circuitry and internals that out perform the best people, very minimal human labor would be required.

1/2

>>129107668
Even if you are right that 80% of people would sit on their ass, I am of the 20% who would actually be able to DO something in life. Those 80% weren't going to accomplish shit anyway regardless!

The automation age is coming and I here will still have a job, I don't believe that we need a universal income yet. However we are going to have to make a plan and fast, what are we gonna do? Ban Peoples jobs whose job is to replace your job, we don't have to make a rash decision now but we need to prepare.We could have a society that doesn't have to work to live sometime in the future. Some of you might bring up Idiocracy at this point, which is a valid argument of how a non working society leads to a stupid society. I argue that all you have to do is make a computer that can learn to teach you, wouldn't even be hard in fact I argue it is gonna happen. There are more online schools and education software than you could imagine, hell Google is getting involved (And that is a big thing). I argue they have enough starting data from Google Classroom to train a Deep Mind model to teach better than any teacher out there.

A quote from their website https://deepmind.com/
>"Solve Intelligence. Use it to make the world a better place." - Google

2/2

>>129106957
Okey-dokey.
Also you think the reason for automation is not to stop the need to pay people.
I never mentioned at all that automation is driven at a socialistic viewpoint to make peoples life better.To me it seem you are mistaken that this is for the benefit of society and not cold hard business where they rather leave the bridge collapse than pay 35 years long to the guy for fucking nothing and just build a new bridge with robots and call it a day after burying the casualities.

>>129106862
Pull, not push. Money is just an abstraction for work that needs to be done. Whoever holds the dollar calls the tune. Black markets are created by people having money to finance production of goods that are insufficiently available in the "white" market, and by people who have both money and a desire to procure those goods. It's not different from any other market..
>>129107668
>projecting THIS HARD
Fortunately, by upbringing or disposition, there will be people in both camps.

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>>129090274
As usual pol's response is predictable

COMMUNISM! JEWISH CONSPIRACY!! HUR DURR!

>>129090274
Do you not know how to use the shorter link? Fool.

>>129107641
>social democracy
Actually it's a liberal scheme and it's used as a bait and switch to dismantle non-market based social insurance.
Heating, housing, food, health insurance benefits all get replaced with a wad of cash that low IQ humans spend on lottery tickets and cigarettes. Then you begin the job of reducing its real value by tying its growth to occasional votes to make the plebs think they are getting richer when they aren't. This is how you price them out over time.

>>129107978
Yeah,mate,google only wants the best for you.What could go wrong.

>>129107953
human overconfidence will never cease to amaze me

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>>129107641
This. Actual commies hate the idea of UBI because the workers don't own the means of production. They view it as capitalists placating the working class with minor concessions of profit

>>129090274
Non-retarded/embeddable link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSKi8HfcxEk

>>129108424
Any preprogrammed bias would easy to determine and detect in a piece of software like an AI.

>>129108003
>Fortunately, by upbringing or disposition, there will be people in both camps.
All it takes is oone good look on today's America to know this will not be the case.
You have niggers shitting out children to get that quick bux and do jack shit, you have fucking Fat-People-Mariokart bullshit going on(obesity epidemic is a clear sign of a laziness-epidemic), you have white trash, weedheads and so on. I'd be amazed if 10% of you did anything.

>>129108566
Yeah.Its not like the AI will be much smarter than you and know very well how to hide its bias so you chant for it.
Or you think they just post the sourcecode so you can go over it?

>>129090274
https://youtu.be/kehnIQ41y2o

Most of the jobs we have now are pointless

>>129107931
I bet those chips suck power like a million semen demons though.
>the reason
>THE reason
As I said, do I care what their reasons are? I have a right to respond to their efforts and to use them for whatever I feel like.
>this is for the benefit of society and not cold hard business
Because you lack the imagination to react? Because you are willing to just sit there and take whatever they hand you? Because you are too cucked to get out of your house and talk to other people and find out what's going on around you?
>>129108752
>All it takes is oone good look on today's America to know this will not be the case.
>hasn't heard of the Maker movement
That's what happens when you spend all your time on 4 instead of doing something productive. Stop transferring your inadequacies onto others.

>>129108447
>They view it as capitalists placating the working class with minor concessions of profit.

That's exactly what it is though.

What I don't understand is the working class' seeming reluctance to join the ranks of the capitalist class. It only requires some patience and investing your capital to begin establishing something that one day will become noteworthy. Then give some to your heirs to allow them to move out of the working class.

I don't understand why the working class refuses to put their capital to work and insist on keeping themselves where they are. Foolish, foolish people.

>>129108893
The source code will be in large parts be training data that you are mostly incapable of analyzing without machine dependence.

>>129108893
yes.. thats exactly what they would do, Deep Mind is open source initiative.

https://deepmind.com/research/open-source/

>>129107953
>>129108003
I'm with you there. I'd probably benefit from UBI. You could just call me a selfish person who doesn't want dead weights supported. There MUST be an alternative to having people sitting on their asses watching netflix 40 hours a week. Or at least there needs a be a way to indoctrinate/encourage people to be more in the "not a deadbeat" camp.

>>129109257
>initiative
Come back if you really think they will post the final code.

>>129109552
More like give you access to the working version that does the decisions.

>>129109145
You already have a fucking Wellfare state as things are, and you think they'll get better once the requirements to get benefits get lowered? Just because people construct some microcontrollers out of hoby, it doesn't mean they'll do jack shit once they don't have to.

>>129090274
I stopped watching their channel when they showed the shadow of Trump in the episode about phones or evil or something.

>>129109196
Mate im not a dirty gommunist, I actually think the UBI is nessicary to save capitalism in the long run. Give lots of people a bit of capital and watch innovation skyrocket.

>>129109222
Its about access.There is a possibility that you can write something that assists you to analyze the source.
Of course they give free access as long as its in early developement phase.Homeland defense or what you call it surely will let them give a powerful ai source to the world containing mainly enemys of the united states.

>>129109552
If you don't think they will do that then I will tell you this.

The government would be involving in pretty much every country such an AI would be used in, Education is a highly governed area. How can a piece of software that teaches kids not be looked at in a field where you have to be licensed to work in.

>>129110081
Get your NEETbux for severe autism and watch your innovation skyrocket.
Or we can go to /r9k/ together and look at your future.

I honestly think UBI succeeding is wishful thinking, this is the more likely outcome:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun#Mouse_experiments

>Initially, the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly, doubling only every 145 days. The last surviving birth was on day 600, bringing the total population to a mere 2200 mice, even though the experiment setup allowed for as many as 3840 mice in terms of nesting space. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior. Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, increase in homosexual behavior, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against.[2]
>After day 600, the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed "the beautiful ones." Breeding never resumed and behavior patterns were permanently changed.
>The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population.

>>129109196
What capital? It's being squeezed out of them by the existing capitalists. Surely you don't think the rich welcome competition that cuts into their power?
>>129109453
The good news is that they will be extremely unlikely to reproduce. Also, there is a social economy that runs parallel to the market economy, similar to what they used to call "neighborliness" not that long ago. Deadbeats will be shut out of the social economy in short order.
>>129109806
>already have a fucking welfare state
Nigger do you even know what a welfare state is, or are you just proxying from the USA? How old are you? Have you even known a welfare state or lived in one? Pro tip: a welfare state is not a state that provides cash benefits that just happen to be called Welfare.
>>129110276
>Calhoun experiment
>doesn't see that's already happening in cities, even without unlimited resources

>>129110276
We aren't mice in a cage.

We are creatures of thought, not survival.

>>129110478
>The good news is that they will be extremely unlikely to reproduce.
maybe if the feminists don't ban sex bots, otherwise they'll actually have to resort to tinder. Then again maybe they won't, and the rest of the world will emulate Japan now.

>>129090274

I disagree with a lot of their videos. However a universal basic income does sound nice if it meets the following criteria.

1) It's the right size. I'm thinking somewhere around 3-6k per year.

2) Illegal immigrants need not apply

3) Criminals lose this privilege

4) It's not printed through the federal reserve, and is debt free money printed directly by the government.

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>>129110486
rofl

>>129110254
Lets assume that automation actually kills most low skill jobs, your only options are UBI or people dying in the streets because jobs don't exist. On leads to capitalism surviving the other leads to violent revolution.

>>129110250
Sure mate,try to tell me it will be the same AI that makes decisions on government level.
But let me tell you something.
Even if its "JUST" education,im willing to bet you that nobody will be allowed to look at that code outside of the elites pets.
You know,those who will be licensed to work with it.

>>129110478
Yes I know giving niggers welfare is not the "real" welfare-state, I was just mocking the whole thing you have going on right now. And no, I'm not a proxyfag.

>>129110486
I'd say we're creatures of emotion, not thought.

>>129094401
I don't think you understand what the argument against ubi is. If robots were to take every job and essentially make human labor never needed everything would be so cheap, so people would move to the service industry or invest in their own robots so that even making the smallest dollars ever would still be possible to live lavishly on cause everything will be as cheap as your mums pussy

>>129090787
>not watching it
Don't breed

>>129090274
You're uneducated

>>129110919
I presented multiple times another solution,that gets comfy buried because the elites would have to do something useful in their life and invest a fuckton of money without other return than a better society.

>>129092046
idiot

>>129090274
Yeah. Kurzgesagt is part of the insanely retarded liberal cult movement. I've seen their videos before.

>>129094471
If the human population reaches 30 billion we will have enough GDP for everyone to be a billionaire

>>129094401
watch wall-e

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>>129111580
You can be a billionaire in Venezuela right now dude.

>>129090274

Shut the fuck up. 90% of the people that use 4chan are neets. We need basic income or 75 million americans will be out of a job and die by 2030.

Fucking retard.


>>129091327


Stop associating it with Trump. That's not helping.

>>129110775
Prostitutes might give them enough contact with humanity to either be settled as they are, or to climb out of their hikikomori hole.
>>129111733
>watch a movie made by a company that does everything in their power to keep from ever having to innovate or work again
not having to work ≠ not wanting to work ≠ not doing something productive
>>129111873
They're liberals. They'll fuck anything and everything up to keep their sense of self-superiority.

>>129090274
It is literally only burgers that are against this

>>129090274
Regardless of Kurgesfaggot, this is what the future is going to look like, it's going to be a complete upheaval of what we have now, nothing will be recognisable in 10 to 15 years time.

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>>129112453
The best part will be watching useless first worlders move into dung huts.

>>129090274
Isn't kurzgesagt literally funded by Soros?

>>129111857
Yeah we'll im not talking about far-right shitholes.

>>129111503
you're retarded

>>129112453
all canadians are against it.

>>129090274
That's not the way to fix it. We have to find a way to decentralize automation. 3D printers were cailmed to enable that but I am not sure if that's realistic.

>>129112965
That's enough neurosyphilis posting for one day.

>>129113147
Economies of scale will crush you forever.

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>>129112799
Here,carry the torch,i need to - unironically - work.

>>129096660
t. Someone who wants to be human chattle forever.
I can't believe such a communist generation is so deluded about the good will of the rich/elites.

>>129113539
Not necessarily. Economies of distribution will gain it back if not more.

>>129110966
Thats not what I was implying at all, I was saying the government would supervise it.

Do you even government or compute?

>>129113167
And you have trolled enough today.

>>129090274
Universal Basic Income would work exactly as advertised. It will never happen because it will destroy the world the kikes have built for themselves. With it we would have no corporate lawyers or collections agents and many, many teachers and artists. It would be a nice world, but there would be no way for the Jews to force us into servitude.

>>129114184
You won't need collections agents when the payday loan vendor simply gets your NEETbux deposited into their account every month.

>>129114479
What would you need or want debt for?

>>129113539
Yeah that's the point, that's why only way I could think of "fixing" this is to pour huge amounts of money into research for general automation of manufacturing and less into specialized automation. It doesn't even matter if specialized robots are still better at it because individuals could still build anything they want by themselves, even if it takes more times or electricity than in a large factory with several specialized machines.

>>129114550
Because you're dumb, poor, and have a high time preference.

>>129090274
good goy

>>129114838
only the dumb aren't in debt.

>>129093746
The word "malthusian" is a word used by the elites to justify not allowing the population to grow.

>>129093820
but who will pay for it.

>>129116686
Stop replying to my posts low-IQ leaf.

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You jackasses actually think the elite are going to pay for you to sit on your asses? HAH! AI gives them much cheaper labor with none of the human complaints. If only there was a war brewing to kill the population now that we don't need them....
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>>129090274
>Different this Time
Literally "we'll do it better". Holy fuck kill me please. Why is socialism not a gassable offense?

>>129090274
Why not just tell you don't understand half the shit their videos are aobut?

>>129096612
>Socialism is different as technology changes
No. Every generation claims its different. Socialism was no more effective under Chavez or Maduro than it was under Stalin and Mao.
>Countries used to make their profits and upkeep primarily on tariffs and trade taxes.
And now they make it from the hard earned labor of their own citizens by confiscating between 15-80% of their income, depending on where you look. Whats your point parasite scum?

>>129103546
If they have absolute prower, then why would they need to control obsolete humans'

>>129092261
If we don't nuke ourselves and technology keeps its exponential trajectory, there will truly be an end of "work" as we know it. What's your solution?

>>129118593
Perpetual expansion and conflict duh. You know, something productive?

Useless humans die, while Britney Spears's great grandchildren rule over a barony of pristine wilderness from their fortress; their every need or desire met by a swarm of automatons.

>>129118593
War

>>129093120
Spot on, can't stand it. It's commie and Jewish as fuck, and its a "science" channel that makes 5 minute videos. Like you're gonna fucking learn anything beyond vapid talking points in that amount of time pondering a subject.

While I reject UBI we need to recognize that we will lose jobs and people will need a way to make money. Otherwise- economic collapse

>>129092046

UBI will never happen medpack.

Once things are so automated, what prevents those in power from lowering the population levels to be sustainable?

>pay everyone a UBI
Or
>use tech to cleanse the population

We're coming up on another civilizational hurdle.

>>129096130
finally someone offering the real final solution

>>129090274
next time plz provide us with even longer link
ty in advance burger friend

>>129126997
New startup idea: the link embiggener.
You're welcome.

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>>129093226
The point is not that all jobs will be gone, just that most low skilled jobs will be gone.
You will either have to offer those people a way to re qualify via programs similar to the GI Bill in the US post ww2 or introduce UBI/expand welfare, otherwise you will have social instability.
But since both of those are communism I guess the poor should just all starve.

>>129126272
Who will be left to rule over?
Killing off all the lower classes doesn't sound very fun.

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>tfw we will be dead by the time universal income comes and robot waifus come.. Shit