Was she right?

>>129084742
Yes, she was, but maintaining civilisation requires people to make sacrifices for the sake of civility and not jewing everyone other all the time.

>>129084742

No. Even libertarians reject most of her philosophy. Only memesters and people who have never read anything beyond the covers of a few books believe she is relevant.

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>>129084742
>Ayn Rand
>Was she right?

>>129084990
FPBP

>>129084742
In some ways, but that book is fucking awful.

(((Ayn Rand)))

>>129084742

no, she was an idiot

her concept of altruism being completely fake is absurd

>>129084742
No. There is zero meaning in an individualist life. We need to put family and country above all. A true individualist society would just crash and burn. In order to survive, we need a Christian society and we need to actually follow Christian values. That includes means helping the people around us and trying to not be selfish.

>>129089899
To add to this, remember the she is a jew. Have you ever noticed that all the big libertarian and ancap philosophers just so happen to be jewish? It's because it benefits only them. Without government, it allows their businesses to take its place. Libertarianism is just yet another jewish trick.

No

She was a race fantasist

Also atomized individuals are always vulnerable to community.

Liberty and freedom are consequences of high trust community not its cause.

Also she was a degenerate Jewess.

>>129085067
Except some of the most successful people cite Atlas Shrugged as one of their favorite books.

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>>129084990
Interesting point. Of course, 'civilization' to an Objectivist means the individualist society of rights, but we could argue endlessly about ways to defend it. For instance, if one's country is threatened by a foreign tyrant or domestic userpers, it is actually in the Objectivist rational self-interest to risk one's life to defend one's freedoms. How will one be able to exercise one's self-interest - to value, to love, to work - in a society in which everything may be taken away from you at any moment by jackbooted policemen?
>>129085067
>t. Brainlet who has either never read Rand or unironically thinks Atlas Shrugged about politics, thus missing the point entirely
>>129086322
>We're reaching non-argument levels that shouldn't even be possible
>>129087446
Yeah, Shrugged isn't exactly the pinnacle of the English novel. But judging that book by its aesthetics would be like criticizing the Wright Flyer on the grounds that the seats weren't too comfy.
>>129088168
Kek, another non-argument
>>129090663
People who think biology is a substitute for intellectual argument are the real subhumans.

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Most have an incredible hate for her. Its true, her writing style is not the best. There are frequent 10+ page monologues with little or no interruptions, characters all speak with the same voice, parts that shouldve been edited out because they're unnecessary, etc -- the idea her novels drive are good ones. There are several themes in her books too, not just objectivism, which everyone seems to forget when criticising her.

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>>129084742
rand plebs...
how bout you level up?

>>129084742
Selfishness (capitalism) requires compromise (politics).

Anarcho Capitalism:
>Own apple tree
>Hoard all the apples, prevent people from stealing
>People I don't care about are starving
>They offer something I want, then we make a trade.
>Tear down walls to increase trade

Anarcho Primitivism:
>I own apple tree
>People I care about are starving
>I give apples to those people, then they reciprocate that generosity, no compromise needed.
>We establish a community based on trust
>Put up walls to protect from other people

Anarcho communism:
>Apple tree gets raided on a daily
>I don't want to put up a wall, because that's racist
>I don't want to enforce laws, because cops are racist.
>I want to eat something, but all the resources are gone

>>129084742

She was right about a great many things - particularly in how leftists operate. In terms of economics, she is correct - socialism leads to the death of productivity, where individual rights and ambition lead to growth (take a look at Venezuela). Her take on personal relationships were a bit weird, with the rape and shit - but I view that as more of a woman thing when she's been exposed to certain things.

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>>129089899
>>129090663
I agree with you about Rand. About the other Jews on Libertarianism they weren't kikes as far as I know. People like Friedman wasn't bad but undoubtedly wasn't redpilled or close to that, just a economist more and his ideas didn't do more beyond reduce inflation. But people like Rothbard on the other hand were actually good.

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>>129091971
>>We're reaching non-argument levels that shouldn't even be possible
are you attempting to insult me into debating that filthy kike's beliefs with a south african jew?

>>129092373
AS isn't even the worst offender on that. I tried reading the Fountainhead and it quickly goes into "Oh Roarke please rape me, I beg you make me your anal cum slave".

>>129092249
This is mind fucking

>>129084742
tl;dr
>See company built by the labor of a thousand men
>"I built this." Says the man sitting in an office chair.

>>129084742
She's an illuminati puppet. It was a manifesto for the elite.

>>129093156
read the book before posting again thank you

>>129092926

1000 men with no ideas. If it wasn't for the man in the office, there would be nothing.

Fucking entitled piece of shit.

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>>129092259
I like Nietzsche, but the central issue I have with his ethics is that he rejects the altruist view (sacrifice oneself to others) in favour of the reverse (sacrifice others to oneself - the 'will to power'). They are two sides of the same coin. Neither sees that man is not a sacrificial animal - that a non-sacrificial, productive, self-sufficient existence is possible to man.
>>129092249
Yeah, I agree about the aesthetics of her writing. I think she's far better suited to non-fiction, argumentative work - you should take a look at her essays. But when leftists pour vitriol on her, and when you ask why, all they've got is that the book is badly written... You know that the real reason they hate her is because they've got no arguments; she absolutely nukes the foundations of their whole worldview.
>>129092703
Not a jew. But if you don't want to make an argument, then I'm happy not to debate you.
>>129092926
And where would those 999 men be if not for the one who sits in the office chair? if they don't need him, why don't they go and build their own company?
>>129093156
>It was a manifesto for the elite
And yet the elite is pushing for socialism? Really makes you think.

>>129084742

This was a great book, but it's more about the dangers of what COULD happen. In the fountainhead, where she describes ellsworth toohey's destruction of pop culture and political discussion, she was DEAD ON.

"No skin off my ass" is playing on every channel

>>129092926
You sell your labor to your employer. You re a fucking idiot if you believe you're entitled to the company that you were paid to build.

>>129093801
This.

>>129093801
>having an idea = build
allrighty then

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>>129094064
>Not a jew. But if you don't want to make an argument, then I'm happy not to debate you.
what is the further argument to be made?
ayn rand is a moron
i said it in the image
you're on an imageboard, schlomo
https://www.4chan.org/faq

>>129091971
Yeah, okay. Just keep on denying race, despite it being a scientific fact. There sub-species for every single species except for humans, and despite us being a tribal species race means absolutely nothing. /s
>>129092662
Some may be good, but the end goal is absolutely kikery. Once government is gone, corporations have ultimate power. Libertarians think that once government is gone, everyone will just naturally live peacefully on their own and the free market will fix everything, but that goes against human nature. What will really happen is all the Jewish ran businesses will collectively lower wages and take away benefits. It's in the corporations best interest, so that's what it will do. The free market benefits corporations the most, not people.

The vast majority of libertarians will also tell you that they believe in free movement and open borders. The libertarians that don't believe in open border are a tiny majority. Open borders is another Jewish goal. It's wiping out the white race while simultaneously importing cheap labor. If that can do that legally and not have regulations forcing min wage and other benefits, then even better.

The reality is that libertarianism sounds good on paper, but it will always lead to rampant degeneracy and a pseudo-government ran by corporations. Libertarianism is an ideology for sociopaths that only care for themselves, and they are tricking people into going along with it under the guise of freedom.

bioshock

>>129093801
Where would the 1 man be without the 1000? Nowhere. He wouldn't have a company.

>>129093653
Have. That little faggy onclave they have in mountains is basically bilderburg.
>>129094064
They are pushing socialism to destabalize the countries making it easier to have a monopoly on Rearden metal when the pendulum swings back to unfettered capitalism.

>>129095252
You can run a one man show you fuck. It's when you have success that it becomes profitable to hire employee number 2, then 3, 4, 5...1000. How do you think any company starts?

>>129084742
This book sucks.

>>129094252

That's how it works, but it ain't right. They've got you by the balls and there's nothing you can do otherwise. Well, other than seizing the means of production.

>>129084742
Interesting doc about Rand and Greenspan.
Ahead of it's time and really worth a watch.
https://vimeo.com/groups/96331/videos/80799353

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>>129094782
Oh, I'm not bluepilled on race. I live in SA, for fucks sake. But can't you see there's a difference between
>People of a certain race are on average stupid, immoral, devious, creative, etc.
and
>This idea is wrong because it was originated by someone who belongs to a particular race
If you want to argue against an idea, you have to appeal to reason, not to biology.

>Once government is gone, corporations have ultimate power
Where did you get the idea that Objectivists want the government gone? We want a society in which everyone's individual rights, to life, liberty and property, are protected. As long as this is done, we don't really care about the exact form government takes - democracy, monarchy, decentralized rights-protection, whatever.
>Jewish ran businesses will collectively lower wages and take away benefits
>The free market benefits corporations the most, not people.
You need to read some Mises and Hayek. In a free market, it is logically impossible for any individual or group of individuals to benefit AT THE EXPENSE of others. All wealth in a free market must be created oneself or obtained by voluntary trade; since all transactions are voluntary, all transactions benefit both parties. Everyone profits all the time. If Schlomo wants to get rich, he can't take anything out of your pocket. He can only produce something that you value enough to want to trade with him.
>>129095415
>Implying unfettered capitalism is a bad thing
Capitalism is the absolute last thing our elite wants. They want socialism, fascism disguised as socialism, welfare statism... everything except a society based on individual life, liberty and property. In such a society, their power would be non-existent.

>>129094782
Even when I have to agree, there is a lot of thing on the ideas of Rothbard and Hoppe that can be saved for good. Any way, it's such a shame most Libertarians only cared about muh freedom rather than something that can actually work for the people and not for the kikes.