Japan's Population Problem - Solutions anybody?

Raise native birth rates.

That's the only sustainable solution. But I believe it's too late.

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yeah, importing this BWC (big white cock)

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>>128999057
but they are already over populated so theres not really a problem

>>128999057
Construct robot niggers.

>>128999057
Better soluton is convincing japs that putting pee pee in bangina is kawaii and 100% anime. Also lil children are kawaii and you can dress them in other kawaii stuff.

>>128999057
Why are you concerned about their birthrate? What kind of cuck are you?

>>128999057
Create a program whereby promising white males can go to Japan for free, get a place to live for cheap or free and easily have a job in their specialist field.

I say this because the west now hates its white men; they're not wanted in any respect except for actual jobs no one wants to talk about. Given that we have scientific evidence that asian females favour white males as much as they do asian males, import them and we can begin breeding a new super-race. The opportunities are there, but there's no one to take them.

Automation will fix low population. Smaller number of people competing for top jobs, less unemployment, no lower class loses jobs to robots.

Hitler managee to raise birth rates through incentives.

Never understood why everybody ignores this obvious solution.

For example, just have a tax reduction for families or something

>>128999057

We have this thread every other day. We already have the answer, it's robuts.

sage

>>128999057

There is no population problem. The population doesn't have to keep rising indefinitely in order for a country to thrive.

>>128999057
Who gives a fuck? I mean they are already overpopulated as it is and if their population dropped their quality of life would only increase. Why do you have to keep breeding just for the benefit of some rich assholes who would want to keep wages down? Also bringing migrants in probably will be worse than anything that could happen if they don't.

Why don't the japs import whites instead? Leave the niggers and rapefugees to Europe.

>>128999057
Import whites and we will make a super society.

>>128999446
Careful what you wish for
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RAUfJi8ijCo

>>128999057
>Be a literal fucking island with little to no space
>Population is shrinking, giving people more room
OH THE HUMANITY!

There isn't really a problem.
If they want to they could try importing whites but their population is stable if not a little over the carrying capacity.

>>128999057
There are millions of people in Japan and it's 99.9% Japanese, a hundred years from now there will be millions of people in Japan and it will be 99.9% Japanese.

Jap have literally nothing to worry about, they'll be the fourth or fifth richest country in the world instead of the second and the country will have to have more robots but it will still be a crime free first world country. Can you say the same about your country?

>>128999057
Japan is overpopulated. There is no other problem with population in Japan, anon.

>>128999057
Why growing is a must? Economically they can live of banking and manual production replaced by robots due heavy work hours costs.

The world has to many people. This shit is natural, japs are flwoing with nature.

The rest of the wotld is putting hyper sexual subhumans who brains are fit to extreme condotions and not cities, directly into their gene pool... to stimulate economy? Ha

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>>128999372
>what is the dependency ratio
>what is aggregate demand
>what is a deflationary spiral
Why does no one on /pol/ understand economics? Holy shit you're all so fucking stupid and quick to justify being virgin NEETs. How are several million geriatic nips going to defend their country and all their wealth from billions of niggers, hmm? With the 'robots'? What robots? They don't fucking exist. They'll never fucking exist. They're like hoverboards, nuclear fusion power plants, moon bases, etc. Fucking pipe dreams. Come back down to reality before we all die you stupid fucking cunts.

>>128999057
Explain why you think it is a problem?
They could lose half their population and it would still be larger than most countries on earth.
Japan is over populated as it is, a decline would be beneficial for all.
Higher wages, cheaper housing etc.
It will stabalize - Japs having more disposable income + bigger homes will be more inclined to have children.

>>128999333

And how do you do that? The birth rates are depressed due to economic and social pressure, Japan reached it's upper ceiling for growth long ago.

I would argue that long term, contrary to what you suggest, that population decline is an important and essential process for humanity to go through because currently, the first-world resource consumption foot-print is out of control - population growth required to maintain economic growth will cause humanity to go extinct - no doubt about that.

The problem of how to manage this decline effectively is still up in the air, but automation and efficiency gains in automation will likely be key. Our current problem is reorganising the global economy to shift expectation away from growth and towards long-term environmental sustainability.

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>>129001093
>Taking advice on how to run your country from a fucking saffa
Stop talking about things you don't understand. All of you. This is a huge kike trick to which you are completely oblivious.

>>129001394

I couldn't agree with you more from a sustainability point of view.

From an economical point of view, however, a declining population is deadly.

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>>128999372
This.

Also, this is the fifth "Japan needs immigration" thread right now, stop this fucking shit, Soros shills. One thread per topic, others should get reported.

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>>129001762
The whole reason I started this thread was to find a solution better than immigration not immigration itself.

>>129001543

Right, obviously our economic model is going to kill us all, because it requires infinite potential while we exist in a definitively finite system.

Therefore we need a seriously drastic change of thought of how organised society functions - one that transcends the current right-left paradigm.

>>129001934

Regardless of economic model, you have to finance pensions, health care for the elderly. The costs in Germany are already massive, up to 35% of our household.

>>129001394

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrO3TfJc9Qw

>>128999057
There is no fixing the population problem. Most Whites and Asians work to get by, so there isn't enough time or money with everyone working.

African nig-nogs and Arab trash breed like rabbits as there is always charity available.

The US White population is going down because our culture creates a dynamic where being childless is much more economically desirable. Then we import Somalis, Syrians and Africans and they just sign on for Welfare have lots and lots of children.

Productive Whites and Asians keep the world spinning. Most others are just a waste of space, but breeding like mosquitoes in a hot swamp.

Nothing. They don't need to do shit. Yeah they're in a decline, like most western countries would be right now if we had the same intelligence as japan and didn't import muds.
But if they slog it out for the next 20-30 years, their old people will die and they'll ride the next baby boom.

>>129002046

Logan's run my man, that's all I'm gonna say.

But seriously, I don't have a solution to this problem, all I know is that it's going to be a problem, and a big one. We're fucked both ways, keep growing the population and we're going to eat the planet whole, let the population decline and face economic ruin. I think at this point we're just moving foward blindly hoping that a viable solution will pop out of thin air. Radical solutions such as post-currency societies could seem more viable the closer we are to the tipping point.

The government actually sponsors programs to encourage dating, like the Tokyo illumination series. I would say, more stuff like that. Tokyo is actually quite awesome for a romantic life.

But raising kids? Not so much. Using the subway system is extremely hectic if you bring children.

The problems are dealing with the subway system if you have kids, working all day, and the prospects of getting a decent home or apartment suitable for raising kids. lower population should make it easier to get a home or a larger size apartment suitable for raising kids.

Now imagine you're in these packed subways and you also have to worry about someone going allahu akbar on you. A single incident could kill hundreds of people.

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>>129001093
>tfw I am officially in the 1%

>>129001492
You haven't explained why population decline will "destroy" Japan. You are full of shit.
Japan took 2 nukes, had most of their manufacturing bombed to shit and lost a significant percentage of their population, yet you think that temporary population decline will be the end of them unless they import niggers and muslims?
Their population will stabalize.

>>129002232
Lets just kill them all then

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>>129002725
Move to Hokkaido.

>>128999057
I wish we had a nationalist religion like Shinto

>>128999057
>Could there be a better solution to Japan's population problem rather than importing actual niggers?
Yes, and it's also the natural solution to the rest of the white nation's demographic problems as well - robotization.

/pol/ want's to raise reproduction because >muh dying white race, but in fact we really shouldn't and we should even stop importing immigrants, so the free market is incentivized further into developing better and better robots to replace the shrinking manual workfroce. Because think about it - from the entire planet, only the developed countries are experiencing this "problem" while all the undeveloped ones are overflowing with mouths they can't feed. Once the robotization comes, all of those people in the undeveloped shitholes will starve en masse, while our societies would've adjusted for it long before it actually happened (i.e what is currently happening)

The same applies for white countries as well - if you raise reproduction right now, you'd be creating more and more white people for a future market that will be hyper-saturated and robotized on top of that, which means that you're creating people who'll live in ensured poverty, suffering and starvation. Why would you want to do that?

Inject strong loving family values into anime

>>129002725
Exactly what I said here
>>129001343

But this Melbourne/Leaf logic ausie knows best.
"If you destroy Japanese demographically and culturally via immigration they win."
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The government needs to make it easier to have a family. Social programs fall short, and devaluing the currency over and over again to keep it lower than the dollar means that people are working longer and longer hours for the same puchasing power parity. People don't have the free time or the spare cash to fuck and raise families. Japan needs a complete overhaul of it's labor system for positive population growth to take place. People need fresh incentives to have babies. I see it in my co-workers.

>>128999057
I rather see them die than full of muslims

What they have a population problem? I was told in school that we are overpopulating the earth. Seems only the people with high IQ's regulate their population numbers naturally. Idiocracy here we come!

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>>129002937
>unless they import niggers and muslims
Never said that. That would be worse. Neither option is good though.
>Their population will stabalize
You don't know that.
>You haven't explained why population decline will "destroy" Japan. You are full of shit.
It already is. Slowly but steadily. All the elderly Japanese are consuming more and more without producing anything. Fewer and fewer people are of working age to keep the society functioning. The demand for goods and services is always decreasing, meaning that economic growth is impossible. Demand keeps falling, so too do prices. No one invests, because just stuffing Yen under your mattress makes you money in real terms. Imagine the Great Depression going on for a hundred years or more, and you have a good idea of what Japan will experience and has been experiencing since the 90s. Whites and nips need to have children, it's that simple. There is no alternative. If you don't breed, your species will certainly go extinct.

>>129004009
Well they arent going to until society massively restructures or collapses.

Obviously its collapsing.

>>129001093
not our problem

>>129004120
is it?

>>129003713
>Asimo and Mr Miyagi are going to fight off a billion niggers.
At least your country will serve a warning to the world: this is what happens if you allow yourself to be outbred.
>>129004229
This is everyone's problem who isn't a nigger.

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>>129004009
You are neglecting to take into account the root causes and you assume that the decline will be continuous and permanent.

Why don't Japaense people have more children?
It is not that they don't want families, but rather that it is hard to do so.
It is because Japan is overpopulated and most live in very small houses or apartments which are ill suited for raising children.
House prices are also insanely high. You can build a house 5x the size in Australia (8x the size in South Africa) for the same price. So most Japanese cannot afford bigger houses.
Their roads are also very congested because of overpopulation so most people rely on public transport, which makes raising children even harder and more laborious.

Population decline will result in some hard times but it will also remove the root cause in the process. All the government needs to do is create incentives that promotes having children.

House prices will fall, wages will increase and the Japanese will start having more children again.

>>128999057
no more anime

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You're describing Tokyo. Japan is not Tokyo. Pic related is a landscape in Hokkaido.

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>>129004009
Your delusion about the possibility of infinite growth is just that, a delusion. Why the fuck do you think that gradually adjusting to the observable reality as Japanese are doing is worse than trying to keep the Ponzi scheme going until a violent collapse, is beyond it.

If this supposed automation boom is about to come then they're the only country on earth ready for it

Declining birthrates were always a non subhuman reaction to decreasing selective pressure in post industrial societies. Too bad we had to fuel weaponized kike infinite growth ponzi schemes.

>>129003494
are you the same bulgarian that prognosed the crash of the us economy?

>>129001093
>b b but who will pay for all our government spending?!

fucking keynesians

>>128999057
open to white immigration.
White are going to leave Europe en masse soon thanks to Europistan holy leader programed take over in the nesxt 3 years.

>>128999057
Japan doesn't have a population problem. Japan 50 years from now will still be 99% Japanese. Population decline isn't always a bad thing, it used to be commonplace until Western countries started opening up to mass immigration decades ago.

>>128999057
Godzilla.

>>129010373
Also note that the people pushing "POPULATION DECLINE IS TERRIBLE" are Zionists and Jews.
Population decline doesn't mean you'll go extinct, especially considering Japan doesn't accept immigrants en masse. If anything, Japan's overpopulated as is.

>>128999057
since nobody will say it because /pol/ is full of incompetent autistic garbage.

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>>129009979
I post a lot of shit on /pol/ so I don't know, probably?

What did the post say

>>129011069
that you're doing technical analysis or something for a living.

if you're that guy, please answer what the future for countries like germany, italy or japan will be. how will we finance pensions?

>>128999057
It's a tiny island nation with crowded cities. God forbid they decline in population a little. It's not like manual labor is the foundation of their economy.

>>128999057
Euthanasia, start pushing the idea that killing yourself after your unable to look after yourself is honourable. And that not doing so is shaming your family.
Then the population can balance out and not be so top heavy.

>>128999057

Artificial wombs and get your society to value raising children above all else again.

Also figure out feminism because I am pretty sure a men who doesn't work and stays home so a woman can work will not make the woman wet anymore.

>>129010642

Yup this. You can have an economy not based on growth. Japan should set an example of what is possible instead of licking ass all day and staying in line with globalism.

But they probably don't have a choice.

>>129011473
>how will we finance pensions?

finance your own fucking pensions, other than the netherlands, most pensions are ponzi schemes.

I dont say the system cant work, collectively, but look at america, they cant keep their promises, all the money is spent. You are better off doing it yourself. Oh wait you don't have a choice. Enjoy Freedom.

ban anime, war with north corea

>>128999057
Stop fucking censoring porn ffs.

>>128999057
Importing whites!

reduce the importance of money in society, reduce the working hours

>>128999601
Also was penalty for not birthing so it goes both ways.

>>128999057
Stop relying on population increase to prop up your economy. The shift needs to happen sooner than later. Better take the blow now than later.

Just let more whites in

men work themselves to death in japan , reduce working hours, increase salary , re-instate warrior culture and eventually go to war, peaple aint fucking because mostly males watched their fathers work themselves to death to support them, its logical that they dont want that for themselves

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ya its called dont do anything because its not a real problem

if the economy shrinks WHO CARES!!!!!!

it doesnt mean you replace the population

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>>129001093
>How are several million geriatic nips going to defend their country and all their wealth from billions of niggers, hmm?
They're an island. Niggers cant swim. You just fly some choppers to patrol and pop holes in their boats.

It's not like there won't be any young japs, just less of them, and even if their economy collapses, at the end of it all they will still be japanese.

intermix with white flights, but exile the liberals
import more malays, we are fellow Jomon anyway
build more robots and automation
it's ok, japan is already overpopulated after all

There, the four solution

>>129011473
From those countries, Japan is the best pick because its the most stable and has a lot of potential for growth (especially once China becomes aggressive and the US is forced to prop up the Japanese economy once again as a counter to the Chinese economic influence). Japan being influenced by China is a huge geopolitical suicide from the US' point of view, maybe as bad as Russia joining the EU. They will never allow it, so you can be sure that Japan will never crash - they will push everyone else down the queue and trade preferentially with the Japanese if they need to do so.

Now, Italy on the other hand, has a huge problem with their banking sector. It's in a decline for a few years so far and most banks are becoming quite unstable, which in my opinion, is a full proof why the recession of 2008 wasn't actually a recession but a depression that Southern Europe is still experiencing, while the Fed managed to simply delay it (which is why you probably saw one of my posts as "prognosis for US crash"). The depression is still ongoing and governments around the world are doing their best to prevent it but will soon run out of options. Italy may, or may not, initiate the final domino effect. It's basically Greece on steroids.

As for Germany I think that you will also get hit very hard due to your reliance on exports, but I believe that your region in general has always had a lot of potential due to its geopolitical position so I don't think that you'll be left without options. One of the solutions in case a depression did happen is to rapidly centralize the EU and its banking sector, or create a central army and start applying power projection around the world, both of which will eventually happen in my opinion. We (EU) have options, while the US has run out of such. They're also running out of allies and their power projection is eroding. NATO dissolving will be the final nail

Again, that's just my opinion based on potential, and not a prediction.

>>129003778

What about that stupid thing where you can´t leave work before your boss? You could go home ealry and fuk sum

>>129014260
Good stuff, thanks for the post

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>>129002582
>Logan's Run
At first I thought THIS, but then I realized if you kill people off at 30 you destroy your managerial/executive class. No it would have to be more like Soylent Green or Paradise Lost in Cyberspace where it's 70. Really though, I'm pretty sure the next world war will act as an equilibrium when it kills 1-2 billion people, assuming there isn't a baby boom afterwards. Hypothetically, either way we're ducked.

>>128999057
Crash their internet and video waifus

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>>128999057
>one of the most crowded nations
>population dropping is a problem
It's a manufactured crisis to push "diversity".

>>129014260

But wasn't the 1997 Asian financial crisis caused by US pressure to lower interest rates and open their financial markets for speculation? That weakened Japan a lot and contradicts your "US preps Japan up" narrative.

Why was there a depression in Southern Europe, in the first place? A real estate crash certainly played a role in Spain and Portugal. But Italy seemed like a healthy economy for a long while, now it's a mess.

On that prediction, I have to disagree. I simply cannot imagine that an ageing and politically divided Europe, without the UK, with an peace-loving Germany at the lead will do anything resembling "power projection". We couldn't even manage a refugee wave.

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>>128999057

Two things need to be addressed before the population problem, and indeed, most of societies problems, can be fixed.

1) All forms of 'progressivism' must be crushed
This includes:
-feminism
-LGBTQWFHSDFJOSAGJOGJAOJGOetc
-Drugs being socially 'okay'
-Abortion being 'okay'
-social mores being anything less than 1950's america.
-Progressive movements like 'BLM' 'Antifa' etc
all these and more should be socially blacklisted, and anyone engaging in them should be anything from shunned to lynched and hung.

2) A return to Christianity as the religion of the people
Christianity is inherently pro birthrate, pro social morality, and pro human livelihood. Not only will birthrates get better, but lives will get better as well.

One thing that has been mentioned here before, is that japans current population is unreasonably high. There needs to be a drop to stabilize the current population and, once this happens and jobs get easier for citizens to find, you'll find the birthrate increasing again to a degree.

>>128999057
I don't see the problem with immigration. NTR is pretty hot.

>Japan's population problem
What problem?

>>128999057
Ban birth-control and abortion, while incentifying having children by passing legislation that makes large families more affordable. Do something about their work-until-i-suicide workplace culture.

>>129020347
>But wasn't the 1997 Asian financial crisis caused by US pressure to lower interest rates and open their financial markets for speculation? That weakened Japan a lot and contradicts your "US preps Japan up" narrative.
No, it actually wasn't. It was caused by aggressive growth of the Asian economies and Japan wasn't actually "hit", it rather stagnated for a bit which is nothing.

And yes, the US does have Japan as a primary strategic interest which can be proven by their recent drama with North Korea, which is pretty much a warning signal against China that the US intends to keep exerting their influence in East Asia.

>Why was there a depression in Southern Europe, in the first place?
That region never had a backbone or a contrasting production to make itself unique to the rest of the world. Once the rest of the world caught up in terms of development, there's no more reason to buy production or use services from that region at all. One recession is enough to weaken it and it will never recover as it doesn't actually have anything to recover with, be it as a member of the EU or not. It never was "healthy" in the first place - it was an artificial bubble.

>I simply cannot imagine that an ageing and politically divided Europe, without the UK, with an peace-loving Germany at the lead will do anything resembling "power projection". We couldn't even manage a refugee wave.
That's where you're wrong because you're only basing your assumptions on status quo, not potential. Because stop for a second and think about this: Which leading economy in the world doesn't have their own Google, Microsoft, Apple, IBM or Baidu? In fact, even a better question - why the fuck doesn't the EU have an IT sector at all, when it is an entire $7.7T economy in the US alone? What gives?

So you see, when you consider potential for growth the whole picture changes drastically. The EU is an infant, give it time.

>>128999057

Stop with the 16 hour work days that leave no time for husband/wife relationships and a family life.

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>>128999057
Instill the fear of the Christian Lord, and make them multiply.
Problem solved.

Step one: deregulate the shit out of the Japanese economy.

Step two: create inscentives for industry and office labor outside of Tokyo, the world's densest shithole.

Step three: Rebuild the Japanese military, and reinstall a sense of national pride. Japanese have plenty of native pride, but they don't think of Japan the way nationalists think of their countries. Its more of a sense of language and culture not a sense of patriotism.

the biggest problem with Japan is that its an incredibly gender rolled country where men are providers women are housewives which is fine, except that there are no jobs for the young men to get, so women turn their noses up at anyone who's not a rich boy and the only rich boys are hereditary inheritors. No meritocracy means no wife, which means no sex which means no kids.

Poor young men need a way to distinguish themselves to young women to attract them. That either means success as a provider, or success as a protector. They either need to be a soldier or a worker. Right now Japanese men are neither.

>>128999057

They let some nigeria nigglets into Japan in the 1980s.

They no longer accept refugees. They learned their lesson.

>>128999057
more nukes

>>129027880
And they're still in fucking Roppongi trying to rip people off kek

>>128999057
rebuild their military to promote government spending, conscription to reduce beta levels, tax reduction for dual parent households with 3 children or more, legalize gambling for tourists to stimulate tourism, host the olympics

>>129025389
>It was caused by aggressive growth of the Asian economies

What does "aggressive" growth even mean? The West grew at similar rates in the 50s-70s as well, without financial crises. The Tiger economies are still somewhat behind the West.

>That region never had a backbone or a contrasting production to make itself unique to the rest of the world.

Sadly, when you think about it, this may be true. Can't think of anything impressive coming out of Southern Europe high-tech wise. All they had was old money. But they still ARE members of the EU and will drag us down, forcing interest rates to stay low.

>That's where you're wrong because you're only basing your assumptions on status quo, not potential.
>Which leading economy in the world doesn't have their own Google, Microsoft, Apple, IBM or Baidu?

So you're basing your assumption that the EU will be an IT stronghold on the sole fact that it isn't one yet ... That's a bit far-fetched. Germany DOES have enough software companies in accordance to its size already, think of SAP -- it's just that the South and East of Europe lag behind in this regard.

Also, the ageing and population decline worries still stand.

>>128999057
You man how their tiny island is filled with nips and needs to be lowered to something more reasonable? Their birthrates is dropping so it will be fine.
>but muh societal pyramid scheme, muh infinite growth

>>129001093
>holy shit you just DON'T understand keynesian genius pyramid scheme economics!
You need an exponential curve to keep your retarded system going, any idea how fast those grow?
>what will you do against the niggers!?
Sink the boats? What do you think all 4 billion of them will have wewuzkangs mk5 saucers to invade japan? They have no way to invade without western help.