I consider myself fairly left leaning. Im pro estate tax. Pro

>>128981239
>Anti assault weapon
So how the fuck do you justify disarming law-abiding citizens while not disarming the criminals?

>>128981239
>pro estate tax
Kill yourself, you piece of shit.

>>128981333
Czeched

This is a bait thread but abortion is wrong desu

>>128981239

You are only correct on one position, so fuck off. We've been saying abortion is murder forever.

Nice image though.

As far as I'm concerned, it's the responsibility of the parents to make sure their children get the best chance to grow and reproduce.

Passing down your genes is a privilege, if people don't want to pass them down, that's their prerogative. You can see infanticide all over nature. Get over it.

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>>128981239
>Pro gay marraige. Pro subsidized health care. Anti assault weapon
Fuck off fag

>>128981239
well, you have some shitty opinions on some things, but I at least applaud the being your own and not just parroting a political movement. 100% correct on abortion though, good job on that account.

You sound like the biggest fucking faggot ever. Whaaaa government potent us. Abortion is great because it is used predominantly by niggers spics liberals and white trash. All groups we need less of in this country. As for subsidized healthcare that's fine I guess if done properly but assault weapons are cool and estate taxes should not be a thing. Why the fuck does the government get to take my parents money they left for me. Taxation is theft and the government needs to learn its fucking place

>>128981333
Im not disarming anyone. Assault weapons are a subset of guns. Im not anti gun but nobody really needs the ability to fire off 300 rounds in 5 minutes
>muh defense
From what? A mongol hoarde?

>>128981477
>>128981488
Abortion is good. How could less poor people, niggers and single mothers be wrong?

>>128981239

>how the fuck do liberals justify abortion?

They don't. FEMALE liberals, and occasionally beta orbiters praying the female will notice their existence, justify abortion. I know a few liberal males and they don't like it either.

As for "why", basically, "a woman has the god given right to have drunken sex without a condom at the frat house party and not have to deal with nuisances like "babies" afterwards". That's literally it. They'll give you a meaningless argument about "my body, my choice" but it basically translates back to "I want to have sex with zero consequences".

Note how only young women are pro-abortion crusaders, once a woman gets a husband and a few kids and can therefore afford to have another one she magically turns anti-abortion.

>>128981610
I see murder, rape and canabalism in nature too. Should we legalize those?

>>128981477
>>128981488
Abortion isn't murder dumb ass it gets rid of undesirables and relieves burden from the state. Inb4 Muh morality. There are too many people on this planet already that can't take care of themselves.

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When you get worms, it's best to remover them.
Same principle.

>>128981633
I pay income tax. Why should moneybags jr be left off the hook? He did nothing to earn it

>>128981633
>taxation is theft
Lol i didnt even catch that at first. Fuck off. Youre paying for a service. Nice bait tho

>>128981839
Because someone had to earn it dumbass. If you hustled as hard as you hate your make more money. You're just pissed off some people have it easier than you. Fucking loser lol youre complaining just like a dumb liberal

Abortion should be mandatory.

>>128981763
You're jumping a very clear gap in your rebuttal.

I never said it was ok to kill each other's kids. It's the equivalent of castrating yourself when you consider the end result.

Also, you should see WHY those things happen in nature. Not just try to lump everything all animals do to try and make a point.

So, in short, no. The golden rule very much applies here.

>>128981239
That baby completely depends upon the consent of the pregnant woman in order for it to live. If it could survive despite this, then it'd be its own body.
That collection of cells may be a living thing, I'm not even going to say that it's not, but it's no place for the government to tell someone else what they can do with their body. If she wants to kill it, and a doctor is willing to do it for her, then it's her choice.

Get your feelings out of my womb.

>>128981911
What service? Constant encouragement on my freedoms and handouts to niggers and spics? Get fucking real we are slaves to our government. The less taxes and power they have over us the better. Keep thinking they want to help you idiot

>>128981978
The estate tax isnt on the dad who earned it. That dudes dead. The tax only effects his kid

>>128981239
Fur is murder too.

>>128982090
Yes I know. Why can't my children have what I've worked so hard for? I already paid taxes when I made it. Estate tax is just another way for government to take money out of ordinary people's pockets.

>>128982036
>very clear gap
I thought you set the precedent for nature. I didnt know it was an arbitrarily specific and undefined subset of nature. My bad
>castrating yourself
The whole point is youre not doing it to yourself. Youre taking another humans life

>>128982090
So graverobbing is justified to you?>>128981839
Estate tax is nothing like income tax. They're both immoral but they're completely incomparable.

Because it's not alive fuckhead, it's literally just a bunch of fucking cells. You better be vegan if you're going to take about the immorality of taking lives.

I've gotten two different girls pregnant and they've both aborted. I'm glad, fuck off. Kids fucking suck and I didn't want to be with either of these women.

If in the future I find a woman I could actually see myself with indefinitely then maybe I'll have kids.

>>128982058

So a man in a medically induced coma, who's completely dependent on the life support machine controlled by the ICU's doctor, does not have his own body and it's perfectly okay for the doctor to turn off the life support machine and kill him? Even though in a few months he would be perfectly okay again?

Do females actually fail at logic this fucking hard?

>>128982058
She doesnt need to conciously consent for the baby to live, only for it to die. And even if i agreed with that flawed logic there are 19 states where you can get an abortion at 23 weeks when a fetus can survive outside the womb

>>128982080
Im sure you havnt used a road or public utility before

>>128982099
Its already illlegal to make clothes out of human flesh

>>128982224
They can have it. But thats a form of income and should pay an income tax. I pay taxes on the money i recieve. No idea why youve been so indoctrinated into this autocratic belief that the rich should be exempt from taxes

>>128982409
You already pay taxes on the grave

Embryos aren't people cuz brains n shit and don't have rights. People's rights trump non-people's 'rights'.

Even if embryos have rights they don't have the right to parasitically leech blood nutrients from someone because no one has that right. Giving people that right makes cannibalistic vampirism legal.

>>128982230
Well, you chose to only reply to that part of the comment and not the rest in an attempt to make it a slippery slope.

My point wasn't "because it happens in nature it should be ok" it was more a comment to let you see that it isn't such a big issue in the first place.

My main point is: the end result, is the same. If you castrate yourself or you kill your fetus your genes don't get passed down and that is for the best. If you don't want to create offspring then you shouldn't be forced to.

You're out of touch with what life is ultimately about: To pass down your genes. And you're also a cuck since you care so much about what other's are doing with their genes instead of what's happening to yours. If nobody's killing your kids and they have a fair chance of reproducing then what's it to you?

Oh wait, your whole point is that a fetus is a human being and it should have the rights of one. Is that right?

>>128982422
Everything is just a bunch of cells

>>128982428
Use a condom you degenerate nigger

>>128982844
>You're out of touch with what life is ultimately about: To pass down your genes
I emphatically disagree. But youre a faggot tho. I support your right to be married

>>128983071
Then you're looking for meaning where there isn't.

You're nothing but a ship for your genes to travel until you can get them mixed with somebody else.

That's it. And only the ones that can and WANT should have offspring. We're an advanced enough species to be able to create a pseudo-heaven where we can fulfill our sexual desires without having the consequences brought up because of the evolutionary path our species took.

Oh well, I thought you would have more reasons for your way of thinking...

>>128981643
"Assault weapons" is a made up term by fear mongering politicians trying to strip citizens of their rights.
"Assault weapons" bans in California ban modern comfort features such as adjustable stock, pistol grip, and toolless magazine release.

Assault rifles, short barrel rifles, suppressors, etc... are already restricted by the NFA and require heavy background checks, $200 tax stamp transfers, and for automatic the parts must be manufactured before September 13, 1994.

The leftists lie about guns and you just believe them and think they are doing the right think. They are not. They are now trying to cripple guns with state legislation because their attacks on the 2nd amendment have been failing for many years.

>>128982564
Muh roads argument. Nice try bub. Estate tax does nothing to help fun those. That's what tolls are for. Taxes are way too high and way too prevalent in our country. But hey we have to keep supporting minorities and paying for wars to keep the military industrial complex alive. Why don't you read some fucking things about the way in which our country actually works before you make such dumb posts friend

>>128983456
I never said life had intrinsic meaning. Read some camus or satre you uncultured fag

>>128982508
Oh wow those two scenarios are comparable. Do you have any idea what a fucking burden children are? Especially with modern women? Not to mention the current job market and alimony/child support laws. You're so stupid it's funny. Don't let your emotions get in the way of logical thinking. Then you'd actually get someplace in your life

Free abortion for niggers, mexicans and jews

White women have to be on a 10 month white privilege waiting list

>>128983674
Adoption

>>128983483
What lies? I was very clear i support guns just not assault rifles
>assault rifles is a vague term
I agree
>lefties want to cripple guns
Good. Guns are cool and useful tools but you dont need to be arnold from commando

>>128983540
You said taxation is theft. I was merely pointing out one of the many comforts you continue to use that was funded by tax money. And judging by your shitty education id say you went to public school too

>>128983674
Adoption

>>128983639
I don't see how that would change my mind about what life ultimately is.

You seem to be in denial about what you are though.

Either way, at this point you're not even attempting to refute anything or even justifying your views.

Have a nice day and good luck saving other people's babies.

/sage

Okay, imagine this.
You meet a nice girl, you start to getting to know each other, you start dating. After a while you two think you should get it to the next level.
You both consent to sex but aren't ready for a baby both emotionally and financially.
You buy a condom, she buys spermicides and contraception pills but shit still happens.
After two months you find out that your gf is pregnant.
You have a dillema: have a child that you won't be able to support, that will have shit childhood and grow up to be junkie or remove bunch of cells from your gf's body.
Until 3rd month fetuses aren't even developed so I can't see what's wrong with it.

>>128983923
If guns are cool and useful tools, why aren't assault rifles super cool and super useful tools?.

>>128981239

How the fuck do you justify being pro gay marriage? This is just horrifying to me.

>>128982748
They aren't exempt they still pay taxes. Taxes shouldn't even be a thing. They're way too damn high and support a bloated government

>>128984159
Im not in denial im just not 14 and in the middle of reading my high schools copy of origin of species
>life is devoid of meaning were just here to pass on genes man like evolution an shit
>we should have laws in place to protect our right to not to pass on our genes tho
>but inalienable rights dont exist cuz were just apes my dude

>>128984299
If i didnt want it id give it up for adoption. I wouldnt murder someone just because my rubber broke

>>128983923

Why shouldn't citizens be as well armed as their government?

>>128984459
Why would you legally discriminate someone?
Either remove marriage from state and leave it up to churches or recognize both marriages.
I dislike fags too but it's unfair to discriminate against them legally.
Private discrimination by churches and companies is ok but not the state one.

>>128983923
It's a constitutional right. You should be defending it just as you would freedom of speech.

How about we pass hate speech laws to ban speech which is racist and reprehensible? This is not about getting what you want this is about upholding rights of the people.

Create a generic term. "Hate speech", "Assault Weapons". You can redefine the term at any time and just append anything you don't like to the list that's banned. This is not how constitutional RIGHTS work without DUE PROCESS. Constitutional rights are inalienable by state and federal law without due process.

You are no liberal because you don't even understand or care about liberties afforded to you. You are a modern leftist. I never said assault rifles is a vague term, I said "Assault Weapons" is a made up term and they define it however they please whenever they please. You are a fool.

>>128984343
They are super cool. I love commando. But theyre dangerous and most people are morons. The same reason we dont let just any asshole jump on a 747 and start flying. Super useful tool. Not safe for every dickbag off the street

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>>128982748
Why are you so indoctrinated that the government needs to keep propping itself up on more an more taxes you disgusting socialist. Have some kids and work up your wealth and see how happy you would feel knowing that once you die the government for no reason gets money that all your kids would've had. But I assume you are the type of person that would never leave an inheritance.

>>128981239
Kill yourself you statist piece of shit

>>128984527
So vote to change government. Stuff costs money. Thats life. Go join a hippie commune i guess

>>128981239
>But how the fuck do liberals justify abortion?

1. a fetus is not a baby. Fetuses aren't somebody else's body because they aren't "someone" yet. In fact, human fetuses in early stages are identical to ones of other mammals.

2. Men and women should have absolute control over their bodies. No state or institution should be able to tell us what we can do with our bodies, period.

3. Therefore, abortion should be legal

>>128984646
Yes, that's perfectly reasonable but I don't think it's a murder the same way I think masturbation is not a murder.
Also my mom worked at the institution for parentless kids ran by a priest and nuns.
Kids were always starving, they were beating the shit out of them, a priest raped one girl so I'd rather remove it before it's too late than have it live a miserable life.

>>128984684
Because at this point in history thats impossible. Right to bear arms was written before hydrogen bombs

>>128981239
The vast majority of abortions are shitskins. Why do you insist on stopping this?

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>>128981239
wrong picture in OP

>>128984718
I support right to bear arms. I own a gun myself

>>128984718
>how about we pass speech laws
Shouting fire in a crowded thestre is already illegal

>>128985011
The birth canal does not confer personhood. A fetus is a genetically unique living human.

>>128985072
Hydrogen bombs have nothing to do with constitutional rights. What are you even trying to say?

We invented a new technology, now women's right to vote is outdated?
A new invention has been made, now you are going to be subjected to cruel and unreasonable punishment?

You have no argument, that argument makes no sense.

>>128985261
>Shouting fire in a crowded thestre is already illegal
No it isn't. Look up the history of the phrase. It is a comment on an unrelated case by a judge. It never has been illegal to yell fire in a theater, and nobody has ever been charged with a criminal offense for doing so.

>>128985261
>Though the image often represents illegal speech, "shouting fire in a crowded theater" refers to an outdated legal standard.
>At one point, the law criminalized such speech, which created a "clear and present danger."
>But since 1969, for speech to break the law, it can’t merely lead others to dangerous situations.
>It must directly encourage others to commit specific criminal actions of their own.

Wrong. Try again lefty.

>>128981239
I dont really care if anyone kill kids while they are in the womb. It is acceptable murder to me it doesnt even have object permanence.

just dont tell someone else to pay for it thats being a cunt

>>128984819
>more an more taxes
Stuff still costs money. I mean itd be cool if it didnt but hey thats life. Inheritance is a form of income and i dont believe the rich should be exempt from income tax

>>128984536
Oh good, you're making points.

So, you don't agree with life being devoid of meaning and we're byproducts of evolution?

You believe we should be forced to have offspring even when we're not ready or willing. And also from your other posts you seem to be under the impression that there will be a family willing to adopt every kid out there.

I believe in inalienable rights, just not for lumps of stem cells.

I think the main difference between me and you is that while you're reading philosophy getting your liberal arts degree, I'm getting my master's in the STEM field.

What you need is an education... more books less weed.

>>128981643
>nobody really needs the ability to fire off 300 rounds in 5 minutes
>>muh defense
>From what? A mongol hoarde?
implying you or anyone else can guarantee what the future may or may not hold

>>128985011
>a fetus is not a baby
Yes it is

>>128981239
what really activates my almonds, is when a pregnant woman is murdered, the attacker will be charged with 2 murders.

You don't even have to argue that. That's the wonderful thing about rights. You don't have to make a case to get them. You just get them.

Nobody really needs free speech, why do you need that? X country has censorship and my brother lives there and is perfectly happy.
Don't get pulled into a leftists fallacy. You don't have to explain why you exercise a right to anyone.

>>128985060
A fetus and semen are very different. Please read a biology textbook
>their life might be shit im doing them a favor
Let them decide if its shit

>>128985631
Meant for >>128985524

>>128981239
Well, if you wan't more welfare recipient's and criminals good for you.

>>128985326
I was specifically referring to right to bear arms. But you knew that fuckhead

>>128985361
>>128985396
Its an expression. There are plenty of instances where speech is illegal. As in when it
>directly encourages others to commit specific criminal actions of their own

>>128985781
Explain to me what the second amendment right have to do with hydrogen bombs.
How does a new invention strip you of constitutional rights.

Please actually explain your argument. Don't just dump sentences out on a table and expect me to make your claim for you.

>>128985656
Holy shit you're right!
They can always kill themselves if they want to!
Thanks for (partially) opening my eyes!
Still I wouldn't let myself not being able to raise a kid and provide him a good life. And it'd be horrible if my unwanted kid killed himself.

>>128985901
So we already have a sensible law that restricts a tiny subsection of free speech, specifically about criminal actions and violence.
And we have the NFA which specifically restricts a tiny subsection of firearms, specifically about automatic weapons, short barreled rifles, suppressors, etc..

We already have those, why do we need more? Also why do you need vague terms to just carpet ban whole categories of things you don't like? That seems nonsensical and at that point you aren't trying to solve a problem you are just trying to stomp on constitutional rights.

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>>128981239
kys
>(method of your choice)

>>128985631
of course you don't but leave it to leftists to do it anyway

>>128985486
>muh lump of cells
You are a lump of cells.

>>128985486
>You believe we should be forced to have offspring even when we're not ready or willing
No. Feel free to use contraceptives. Abstinence works too as im sure youre painfully aware
>Every kid will be adopted
Nah. Most will probably have a rough time in foster care. But theyll be given an opportunity to make a great life
>lumps of stem cells
Theyre not just stem cells but you know that. Within a few days of implantation cells are assigned and hormone production begins around two weeks brain waves are noticable. Sorry your superior stem courses didnt cover this
t. Economics major

>>128985914
You have a right to bear arms. That doesnt mean you can own any weapon in existence

>>128986433
kek had a feeling op was a chick

>>128986196
This thread is about abortion im sorry if youre getting confused
>vague terms to just carpet ban whole categories of things you don't like?
I dont
>getting an abortion is a constitutional right
No its not

>>128986220
How many mass murders are commited with hammers?

>>128986196
>Murdering an innocent human is a constitutional right

>>128986404
*stem cells

learn the difference

>>128986558
I agree, the 2nd amendment does not allow you to own a hydrogen bomb. I don't see how that is relevant.

So how does that aid your argument in supporting these baseless "assault weapons bans" where they are attempting to cripple and partially ban weapons protected under the constitution just because they have accessories or features that the left does not like.

The same way I may hold opinions and say things you do not like, it's protected under the first amendment. I don't think you get to pick and choose what words I use or how I put them together, even if you dislike it. Why do you get to do that with guns but not speech? Just because you don't understand or like guns it make it okay?

>>128986795
I will once you learn how those cells are physically distinct as another individuals body you dumb beaner

>>128986678
>getting an abortion is a constitutional right
>>No its not

I never said that.

>>128986778
>Murdering an innocent human is a constitutional right

I never said that, either.

Interesting. So are you actually against abortion because you think it's wrong or did you just flip a coin and decide what you are for and against?
Heads. Pro-life
Tails. Anti-gun

Murder is murder if it's another human you're killing
You have your own DNA so does the baby
You want to kill it then kill it
Even pass a law that allows you too
I understand it's not what you want
but don't fucking try to say it's not murder

>>128986433
>assuming assumptions

I'd have you know that I wouldn't abort myself. In fact my girlfriend is on the pill and we're very careful.

Fact is, I don't believe the people dumb enough to NOT be careful and are not ready should not have offspring. Easy as that.

Seriously Economics major? Then how are you not aware that orphanages and adoption are not sustainable?

Seriously...

>>128986827
>I don't see how that is relevant
Reading Comprehension isnt for everyone
>So how does that aid your argument in supporting these baseless "assault weapons bans" where they are attempting to cripple and partially ban weapons protected under the constitution
Constitution doesnt protect assault weapons. It was actually written before those were invented. Shocking i know
>Why do you get to do that with guns but not speech
Weve already covered that some speech is regulated

>>128987014
In what part of my posts have I been anti-gun my fellow burger??

>>128987014
Keep backtracking pedro

>>128987056
>my argument has been reduced to "seriously..."
Stop

>>128987056
They are sustainable. Adoption agencies turn a profit and the federal budget for social services like orphanages and foster care is miniscule compared to it as a whole

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>>128987065
keep trying

>>128987065
>Reading Comprehension isnt for everyone
So you are unable to clearly state your argument, and because you cannot clearly state your argument it's on me to make my best guess as to what it is?
Your shortcomings in effectively expressing your argument is not my fault.

>Constitution doesn't protect assault weapons. It was actually written before those were invented. Shocking i know
The constitution doesn't defend made up words? I believe you are correct, but that doesn't actually prove anything.

Third one is just going in circles and refusing to address my point.

>>128987353
This is the most retarded picture ive ever seen

>>128987241
I'm not backtracking. Link to my post ID and that statement.
You are a liar, switching to deception tactics because you cannot address the argument.

You are the one running away from the argument trying to tel lies.

>>128986915
>beaner

kek

I will have you know Americans can very easily visit neighboring countries. Sorry you have no money I suppose?

Stem cells are VERY different. Stay scientific though...

>>128987465
I'm not 100% on this but they might be mistaking us because of ID color

>>128987512
>not addressing the argument
Typical

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>>128981239
This whole disagreement can be fixed if all children were grown in labs instead.

Hear me out:
>couple (man and woman) go to a store in the mall
>talk with a salesman
>provide genetic material
>sign the proper forms
>make the necessary payments
>come back 7 to 9 months later and pick up a kid
Boom, the payments even insure you can't have kids if you don't have income. That way women can't claim it's their bodies or some such shit.

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>>128981239
>pro estate tax
Death tax
>gay marriage
Is not a real marriage.
>subsidized health care
Doesn't exist. Insurance post-facto is not insurance.
>abortion
What's the problem? You've already created euphemisms to rationalize everything else that bothers you. Why stop here?

Call it a peaceful undocumented fetus procedure and pat yourself on the back for being such a morally superior intellectual.

>>128987355
>made up words
All words are made up. You keep implying assault weapons arnt real and discernable from pistols or more traditional rifles

>>128987633
I did tell you stem cells ARE different. Very different and unique actually. But you seem to have a case of tunnel vision.

You're either so dumb you fail to see the irony on that or you're trolling. In which case 2/10

>>128987860
Ebryonic transplants and artificial wombs are a welcome advancement in human ingenuity. Until then we have to deal with these dumb niggers that will about face as soon as the tech comes out.

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>>128981239
>ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!
ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!

>ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!
ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!

>ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!
ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!

>ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!
ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!

>ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!
ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!

>ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!
ALL COCK SKINS AND INFANT COCK BLOOD FOR YOUR ONE, TRUE GOD -- YHVH!!

>>128987901
What euphemisms am i using to rationalize? I dont think you know what that word means

>>128987933
Im sorry to be the one informing you of this Jose but an individual's existence is quantifiable once they have a physical body. That happens at feetilization. Read a book.

>>128981239

>estate tax

Hur dur let me tax your money a second time, just because you aren't here to say no...

>>128981239
you have to right to abort the parasite up to the point that it becomes viable outside the womb. personally have no memories before I was 2ish, so honestly as far as I am aware, i did not exist prior to then.

>>128984299
>until the third month
What's with that arbitrary amount of time? It doesn't happen shit at the third month, the only important moment is when the new DNA is formed, that's a new and unique DNA that has never existed before and will never be created again, that's when it's considered a human being.

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>>128981239
What is assault weapon, you faggot? A scary looking black rifle? Gtfo

>>128988200
By what twisted logic is that taxing someones money a second time?

>>128988243
You did exist before you were two. Im sure theres a record of your birth somewhere

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>>128986717
How many truck of peace mass murders are committed with guns?
How many blacks and hispanics commit murders disproportionately?
How many suicides by guns play into fallacious stats of tyrants trying disarm the people?
How many communists will it take to destroy the liberties of western civilization?
How many leftists are less prepared than a lot of 7-year old girls?

>>128987335
Ok OP, I would love to turn this debate into the Economics of it. And since that is what you study this should be good.

Let me do a bit of research and get back to you with my new formulated opinions on adoptions vs abortions etc.

Because, if you can prove to me that it's actually beneficial (at least economically) for society to impose more unwanted (by their gamete donors) children into the population then by all means, have babies!

However I will do some research since I do need to catch up on it.

>>128987425
>This is the most retarded picture ive ever seen
Why? It debunked your statement.

>>128981239
criminalize abortion so there can be more retards, hobos and ghetto scum? brain dead much?

>>128984778
I think that is a bad analogy. It is much easier for an armed person or people to stop someone with an assault rifle than it is to stop someone from flying a 747 into a building.

>>128988319
Check out Google dot com. Its a handy tool for investigating all those tough words you dont know what mean

The good of the many
- around 37 trillion cells
Outweighs the good of the few.
- around 300 cells per blastocyst

also, remember that time you had sex and used protection? you prevented a human life due to selfishness. disgusting
and literally equivalent.

>>128988184
Offhand comments aside, what do YOU define as a physical body?

Because you clearly don't go by ANY scientific definition or standard. You're all feely, it's pretty amusing.

>>128988441
>9 rounds per minute
>compared to an ak47 firing 600 rounds per minute

>>128981239
I kill animals all the time for their meat.

Why wouldn't I want people to abort their children, especially when most niggers should have been aborted in the first place.

Remember the crime wave, the idea of super predator, it was all gone because abortion was legalized. Ded niggers, less crime. Good, a win win for society.

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>>128988738
9 rounds per minute? what, is it a tank?

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The abortion argument boils down to dualism. There's no good empiric evidence for duality though, so there's no reason for abortion to be illegal before the human brain forms.

No amount of analogy making is going to prove the existence of a soul.

>>128988469
Its not a direct analogy but it illustrates that regulations are required for dangerous things

>>128981239
If the child doesn't have the cognitive ability to know what is going on it really doesn't matter, it depends on the stage.

>>128981239
are you pro estate tax because you have shit parents who didn't work hard enough and didn't love you enough to leave behind a legacy, so now you are a lazy NEET who can't have kids because nobody wants you and you can't succeed in life to leave behind anything of value?

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>>128988738
>>128988865
>Its not a direct analogy but it illustrates

>>128988618
This is a liberal fallacy that women will die from childbirth so they deserve the right to use murder as birth control. Thats extremely rare and complications are caught early. For the record im ok with terminating a pregnancy if it is mortally endangering the mother. And come on man. You know dam well arnt human lives. When you jerk off on your manga comics and leave them unattended you dont hear babies crying a few months later do you?

>>128988677
Unique dna and brain activity

>>128988738
so it fires at three times the speed of the best trained musketmen?

>>128988865
I would consider using the "should a private citizen be allowed to own a nuke" argument to better make your point. Your angle right now is very flimsy.

>>128988856
Brain activity starts at ~6 weeks. If that was the abortion limit i think a lot more people would be cool with it

>>128988975
So if i kill someone whos asleep its cool because they didnt know what was going on?

>>128989531
Being unaware, and being cognitively incapable of processing one's own death are two different things.

>>128988976
My parents are fairly well to do. Although im not quite sure if their net worth is over the 10 million or whatever it is the estate tax kicks in. But they did teach me to think independently. Sorry youve been cucked by autocrats

>>128989475
I'd be fine with 6 weeks myself, but we have to consider when that brain actually starts thinking too.

If it doesn't think is it yet a human? Or just living meat?

>>128989212
It was actually slower than already invented muskets

>>128989531
... no because they would still feel phsycial pain obviously, the person still has cognitive ability and nerve cells. If an abortion pill is taken within the first few weeks of pregnancy I don't think the fetus has the ability to feel pain at that point.

I actually like what Margaret Sanger did by starting Planned Parenthood. Shes been killin nigglets since the 1916. In her own words “We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”

>>128989688
Now youre moving towards philosophy

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>Needing guns to be safe in your own country

>>128987921
There is no accepted definition for "Assault Weapons".
There is an accepted definition for an Assault Rifle.

Science is made up of theories as well, but you cannot peddle witchcraft as science because it's not accepted by the scientific community.
If you want to define a new word that isn't slang you need to go through the proper channels, not just get a lot of leftists to keep reusing a made up term and hope nobody notices it's fake.

>>128989595
No. The potential for life is there and you killed it. The baby didn't choose to be created. You chose (either directly by action or through inaction) and you choose to murder it and remove that potential. Because it's a bit of an inconvenience.

>>128989595
So are you okay with killing tards then?

>>128989739
>I actually like what Margaret Sanger did by starting Planned Parenthood. Shes been killin nigglets since the 1916. In her own words “We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population.”
It is true that legalized abortion has kept the nog population under control. But at the same time, it hurts whites to a degree as well. Very difficult. I support abortion for blacks, but not for whites.

>>128989712
Id kill him fast. Id use a puckle gun

>>128989841
>So are you okay with killing tards then?
If vegetative, yes. Because that is the degree I'm referring to.

>>128989841
Who isn't?

>>128989801
I am, and this is a philosophy question at the heart of it.

>>128989841
They would still be able to feel pain.

What is your opinion on taking someone off of life support when they are in a vegitative state?

>>128989830
>The potential for life is there and you killed it.
The potential for life is everywhere. There is life in your mouth that you're killing every time you swallow.

>>128981239
STOP KILLING MY BABIES

>>128989830
The potential for life is there every time you jerk off instead of finishing in a woman.

>>128989826
Youre just arguing semantics. There is an accepted definition of assault weapon. Just because you dont personally accept it doesnt mean shit

>>128989956
If i know theyll pull through in 9 months im against it

>>128981239
It's not someone else's body, it's a lump of cells.

And even if it was, who cares? Life itself doesn't matter, it's better to die than suffer from having unwilling parents.

>>128989901
Right and they will still feel it..because they have that ability. Kek

>>128989130
I mean, a zygote has it's own dna but it definitely does not have a brain.

So, in your opinion, is it ok to use the morning after pill? Or something that would stop the development of the zygote before it develops a brain?

Because if you are, it sounds to me like you're giving simple brain function too much importance.

Not to get too much off subject, but soon AI will be more "aware" of itself than a fetus. So what is it you find more important? Brain activity, the potential of brain activity or something in between? Also, what is your view on euthanasia? What about people on life support who never stated if they wanted to live like that or not? Is it murder to take somebody off even if you can afford it?

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>>128989695
>musket
>9+ rounds per minute
this thread is glorious

>>128990092
Good answer.

>>128990114
Puckle gun shoots 9 rounds a minute bro. Thats too fast to feel pain

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>>128981239
because it isnt alive you you dipshit, its just a chunk of flesh

>>128990092
Quality of life still matters, if a child isn't wanted, and it causes them no pain to be aborted, they should not be born.

I really hope you adopt a child if you think people who don't want them should just keep birthing them.

>>128981643
>300 rounds in 5 minutes
You can exceed that with almost any handgun made in the past century.

When does the baby become a person, if a woman destroys the first few cells of a foetus is it murder?

>>128989688
pick your poison (i mean cutoff)
wk 6 - electrical activity/ iq of a sea sponge
wk 8 - spasm/ iq of a coral
wk 16 - motion/ iq of a jellyfish
wk 21 - complex motion/ iq of an octopus
wk 24 - coordination/ iq of a squid
wk 28 - memory/ iq of a fish
wk 38 - cognition/ iq of a cat

>>128990164
Hmm maybe if you aimed in the right spot. Good to know

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>>128981239
Pic related is a pre-human foetus, at this point it is the same as most other mammals and could just as well become a chimpanzee.

Just because something has to potential to become a human, does not mean it is already human. There is no inherent value in a cluster of cells with potential.

If you truly believe this however, you commit mass murder every time you masturbate. Each of those sperm cells could be given the resources it needs to become a human so they have the potential to become a person.

Once the baby is actually human and can survive outside of its host, then you can start talking about it like a person.

And this completely ignores the fact that most people live worthless and unhappy lives and pose a drain on limited resources. Human life has no value and should not be suddenly more valuable once it is still in the womb of some lousy crack whore. All you are doing by banning abortion is create a class of damaged people that weren't wanted by their parents or by society and will have no chance to ever contribute to our species in any significant way.

Don't have sex untill you're in a stable environment where you can have kids.

>>128981239

>Having an abortion at 8 months

No doctor would allow that, the only exception would be if the infant died.

>>128990541
That looks like charmandar

>>128989688
Obviously this leaf doesn't have much brain activity

>>128990125
>So, in your opinion, is it ok to use the morning after pill? Or something that would stop the development of the zygote before it develops a brain?
In my opinion yes
>Because if you are, it sounds to me like you're giving simple brain function too much importance.
I disagree
>Not to get too much off subject, but soon AI will be more "aware" of itself than a fetus.
Thats different but very interesting too. Ai civil rights march when?
>So what is it you find more important? Brain activity, the potential of brain activity or something in between?
For me thats when i quantify life. Some people argue conception. I dont think id support 6 week abortions but i wouldnt be as horrified by them.
> Also, what is your view on euthanasia? Im pro assisted suicide i guess. If they can prove theyre of clear mimd
>What about people on life support who never stated if they wanted to live like that or not?
Thats up to the dr at that point
>Is it murder to take somebody off even if you can afford it?
If youre drawing an analog to a fetus and i know hell come out of his coma in 9 months then yes its murder. If the doc says hey i dont see any activity hell probably be like this forever then thats different

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>>128990045
You're a brainwashed propagandist. Only idiots would accept propaganda terms by their enemies. Politics is psychological warfare. The "accepted definition" you're referring to is of no more logical meaningful than whatever past and future terms the lunatic left designs through think tanks to describe their next targets (e.g. "hate speech" terms to destroy the 1st Amendment).

You'll never be respected by non-communists on /pol/ the more you cling to (((leftist))) semantics.

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>>128981333
Based Pole strikes again

>>128990541
>Once the baby is actually human and can survive outside of its host, then you can start talking about it like a person
So when is it recognizable as human?

>>128990401
I'm pretty okay with killing a squid or fish, how about you?

>>128990143
Sorry /k/fag. repeating firearm".

>>128990541
>Mass murder every time you masturbate

Wrong. Sperm dies within two weeks you dumb nigger. That foetus will be a human being if you don't rip it out off the womb.

>>128990045
Define it then. What makes a weapon an assault weapon?
Cite an actual credible source.

The only thing you could source would be Californian legislation, they made up the term and then put a shopping list together of seemingly random rifle features and then said that is what they are banning.

That's not arguing semantics. It's a made up term and bans random shit on rifles for no apparent reason. That's complete nonsense.

>Assault weapon is a term used in the United States to define some types of firearms. The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions.
AKA: it's a slang term with no hard definition.

Assault rifle: a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.

I think we can all agree that abortion is just fine for blacks though, right?

>>128990649
unassisted life outside of a host obviously lmao
I.e no requirement for life support or an umbilical cord

So just remove the person and let them be on their way?

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>>128981643
lel
also, accuracy isn't 100%, this isn't Counterstrike.
nypd gets 19% accuracy at 5-7 yards.

>>128981643
>if you need 2200cals per day you should only have 2200 per day

woah

>>128990571
I agree with this, but the issue is people will not be this responsible. Even if abortions were illegal it would not make people be responsible.

No evidence, it is just what I think.

>>128990272
You cannot predict his quality of life 25 years after hes born

>>128990315
Thank you for proving my point

>>128981633
on the reverse, because we have abortion as a ready and excepted option, this may be a huge cause as to why niggers and women act the way they do.
Women used to fear the consequences of sex
African Americans used to have the nuclear family.

However with birth control and abortion as a back up, they feel they have absolutely nothing to fear from acting like the wild animals they now are

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>>128990910
lol yes you can

>>128990541
It is human. Take its dna to any lab and theyll tell you that

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>>128990991
Thank you for thinking you made a point.

>>128990541
>people pose a drain on limited resources.
kill yourself. don't be a part of the problem, be a part of the solution.
>Human life has no value
>contribute to our species in any significant way
kek

>>128990910
Okay, but who cares. Why bring a child that is unwanted by their parents into the world if it does not cause them pain? I really am not getting it.

If you have scientific evidence it causes physical pain/distress I see that is a reason not to. Otherwise I don't see the issue.

>>128981773
It actually puts a huge strain on the state as it is, because w are giving so much funding to planned parenthood.

>>128983819
You do know that most of then will be giving birth to half niggers, right?

>>128990774
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
Citations at the bottom of the page

>>128990991
What point? That guns shoot bullets?
Guns aren't like roads. There is no shoot limit like roads have speed limits.
As long as you cannot hold the trigger down and it continues to fire you can shoot as fast as you want to. There is no law against that.

It's like you don't even know any rules and just say everything you don't like or deem scary should be illegal. That's a very ignorant attitude and not how the law works.

>>128990826
Ya its called adoption

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>>128981239
>Pro gay marraige
>Anti assault weapon
Die in a fire

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Pic related.
Fuck your rights, once you put yourself in a position where you're having a kid, willfully or no, you have a fucking responsibility to maintain life.

>>128990834
You should only have that many you fat fuck

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on the "nobody should own 30 round per second magazine clips" point...
http://www.angelfire.com/oh/kewlkewlkewl/013.txt

>>128991054
I noticed none of those said 100%

>>128991124
This whole thread is nothing but contradictions

I don't like abortion and personally don't like the people who choose to do this and I believe it is extremely degenerate for all of society. However, I don't feel that it should be illegal. I do however, believe that they should have to 100% pay for it them self. Why should I, a responsible female who knows not to open my legs up to jamal, have to pay for every whore that does?

In this day and age, I don't see how we could convince the general public to make it illegal, however, if getting an abortion was expensive to the woman, then maybe she would think twice, at least after the first one.

>>128991136
Murder is wrong. Thats my thesis. Kinda shocked it took you 226 posts to get on that page with the rest of the class

>>128991445
People won't be responsible and we will have a bunch of kids with parents who can't pay for them.

>>128991445
this

>>128991385
Yes that handguns and hunting rifles shoot plenty of bullets. You dont need to be cowadoody irl

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>>128991457
come and take it

>>128991643
Your thesis is moronic..

What you need to tell me are the reasons you believe murder is wrong and see if they would apply to abortions.

You can't compare someone who can physically feel pain and who has an established life to a mass of cells that is one week old with no nerve function and cognitive ability.

Are you a religious fag?

>>128990620
I see.
No analog intended, I'm just trying to see where the grey area with murder is with you.

To be honest, my main reason to be pro abortion aside from the darwinistic approach, is that you can see a bunch of miserable unwanted children that will probably struggle to even stay alive as adults suffer out there.

And yes, if everybody was responsible and smart enough to use birth control properly at the age they are physically able to reproduce then this wouldn't even be a debate. There would be no unwanted pregnancies and abortion would be justified because it would be done when it is medically necessary.

However, our population is far from smart and perfect. And a lot of unwanted children don't amount to much (granted it's not really their fault, rather the fault of the environment they're brought up in) but still, why have a lot of them suffer? Just because some have the potential to have good lives? Is it worth the suffering of many?

One last point I would like to touch with you is this: Should a woman who was raped be forced to carry out a pregnancy? I mean, let's say she finds out too late and the fetus is healthy and already has brain activity and everything. Sure you can say "she can give it up for adoption" but pregnancy is no walk in the park and many women don't want to go through it at all. Second, if the answer is yes, how far can you regulate this very unwanted pregnancy? If the woman purposely falls down stairs or starves in the hopes of having a miscarriage. Should they be punished for that? Also, what if the victim is underage? Is one life worth destroying another?

These are all things people should consider before straight up banning abortion.

>>128990673
well, same; but it's still developing
imo, the doctors should get a quality of life of child (semi-eugenics) protocol working
want abortion? -> council of 9 docs to assess probability of child becoming a PR of a prison
too high? abort + long-term injectable contraceptive
low? not allow abortion + gov provide free care for child till 18 years old <YES I ADVOCATE EXPANDING THE GOVERNMENT EVEN FURTHER>

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The wake-up call some communists will experience is when shit hits the fan. Epiphanies will spark too late. Stocking up on guns, including semi-auto rifles with high-capacity mags, is not prep for war against their government. It's prep for defense against fellow man when disaster strikes and electricity and food supplies vanish. Hordes of thugs won't hesitate to rape and kill your family over a can of soup. That's human nature.

True security includes owning guns like owning fire extinguishers, food, and supplies. Intelligent people are preparing to protect their family's life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness irrespective of government. Government angels won't be there to defend them from organized crime and thugs. Governments can barely handle responding to a single natural disasters in one region.

>>128991624
I agree, we shouldn't have to pay for it.

>>128991331
>https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
"The definition varies among regulating jurisdictions"

So you proved my point, there is no accepted definition. It's a made up slang term associated with legislation that bans a random list of rifle features.
It's just a buzz word used by leftists as an excuse to scare the public and to ban modern features any rifle has.

People who know nothing about guns are fooled because they think that it means assault rifle, not 99% or rifles because they have adjustable stocks or pistol grips. That's like saying "Assault Cars" are any cars which have air conditioning and power steering.

Power steering is a dangerous feature that allows cars to maneuver staring while stopped, in order to run over and assault innocent bystanders. You don't even seem to know anything about it.

>>128991968
In a first world country when has this ever occurred on such a scale so as to require guns to prevent?

>>128991881
Your rights end where anothers begin. Thats the foundation of all law

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>>128991665
That's why religion is supposed to be a major part of society, as a refuge for abandoned children who would otherwise be left to the whims of the state orphanages. You used to send your unwanted children to monasteries. And if the kiddy diddling is too bad, you can still decide to give them to state service orphanages.

That's why those institutions exists, because the alternative is baby murder, and we live in a society that has chosen baby murder as the better choice.

Really think about the implications of that.

>>128981239
Who owns the ambilicle cord?

>>128981239
Being pro gay-marriage and anti-assault weapons has nothing to do with being a lefty. The left vs right dichotomy is about the allocation of resources.

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>>128991951
>being alive is so miserable that it would be preferable that life should not be

you're literally spouting Mephistophelean ideology.

>>128991881
It doesn't matter if it was a painless death or not. It matters because once a life is created you have no right to destroy it.
That is why murder is wrong.

>>128992073
Hurricane Katrina. As someone who had the horrible luck of getting stuck in that mess visiting friends, the looting was insane, it was total societal collapse for the duration of it. Literal packs of feral nignogs looting everything not nailed down. It was so bad the national guard had to be called in to keep the order through force and fend off the nigs not smart enough to take the hint.

>>128992073
>In a first world country when has this ever occurred on such a scale so as to require guns to prevent?
LA riots just to mention one.

It would also have been 100% justified to use it defend your property during the riots in London, Gothenburg, the events in cologne etc and many, many other places.

>>128992089
So what do you suppose we do with all the extra children that parents just refuse to take care of or abuse because they do not want them..?

We already have children on waiting lists in oprhanages who never get homes their entire lives.

>>128992150
It keeps black population from rising. Killing nigger babied is worth it even if it cost a few shit tier white babies.

>>128992380
So what you're saying is that we have some kind of service in place to stop this from occurring and that allowing citizens their own "Protection" Would only lead to more death? Shocking.

>>128991951
I really hate when people use rape as an excuse to use abortion as birth control
>Should a woman who was raped be forced to carry out a pregnancy?
Yes
>I mean, let's say she finds out too late and the fetus is healthy and already has brain activity and everything. Sure you can say "she can give it up for adoption" but pregnancy is no walk in the park and many women don't want to go through it at all.
Agreed. What a horrible position this womans been put in
>Second, if the answer is yes, how far can you regulate this very unwanted pregnancy? If the woman purposely falls down stairs or starves in the hopes of having a miscarriage. Should they be punished for that?
If its proven she did it on purpose. Yes thats murder. Correct me if im wrong but thats murder already
>Also, what if the victim is underage? Is one life worth destroying another?
I would never advocate continuing a pregnancy if it endangers the mother. That should be left up to a medical professional

>>128992000
>i dont accept that this is a word
Ya you mentioned that

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>>128992400
Wait a second..... That's in America...?
They're obviously not a deterrent.

>>128991136

I recently miscarried. I was only 8 weeks along. While this was happening, I could feel the baby struggling to survive. I didn't know I was going to miscarry, but as soon as I felt this I knew something was deeply wrong but tried my best to stay positive.

I know it sounds crazy, I always thought women who talked like this sounded crazy, but after about 5 weeks I started to feel a real connection, like we could communicate, and we often did. Two days after I felt the baby struggling I noticed the connection seemed to be non-existant. My body still carried the remains for a month before finally letting go. Vaginal ultrasounds confirmed that the remains were only developed to 8 weeks.

If they can't feel pain then why would they struggle so much to survive? Why would they fight it so hard? you would think they wouldn't even notice they were dying if that were the case....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5THDmys8z30

>>128992150
Maybe I am horrible but I would rather be murdered as a baby then sent to either of those places.

>>128992536
tits or gtfo neckbeard

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>>128992073
Realistic disasters can and will happen. Personally, I understand that because I'm well versed in history and I care to look at repeating cycles of human behavior not just in the past but also the present. I respect (as in understand) the primitive nature of modern man. "First-world man" is nothing but a relic of the past cloaked by a full dependency on electricity and supermen. You can live your life hoping for the best while I'll be prepared. I don't care what fools do. I don't care if they don't even own medical supplies either. Preaching to fools is draining.

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>>128981239

>>128991726
That's the ting about rights, it doesn't matter if you need to.
You can do it because you want to.

There is no law stipulating how fast a gun can shoot, simply that it must not continuously shoot while holding the trigger.

>>128992418
Foster care and orphanages

>>128992465
the police/national guard/army can't be everywhere at once

that's where having a gun comes in, when you need to protect yourself and your family when no one else can help you.

This is like saying you don't need a fire extinguisher because the fire department exists.

>>128981239
I agree with all of that and abortion (except the weapons part, let people kill themselves however hey want) and I'm pretty sure I'm conservative. The way liberals try to it bothers me more than the end

>>128992467
>rape as an excuse to use abortion as birth control
Unless the women is literally kidnapped and help captive until she is pregnant it is irrelevant since you can just take a pill shorty after intercourse that stops pregnancy from eve occurring. It takes a while for the sperm to fertilize the egg.

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>>128990910
>only thing you can really predict with any degree of certainty is that he definitely won't need whatever exceedingly vague bullshit "assault weapon" refers to by then
moar
pls moar

>>128991180
planned parenthood recieves 1.2 billion dollars from medicaid and 344.5 million from other federal funds

>>128992536
I wish you to recover fully from this
Miscarriages are terrible experiences

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>>128992535
>They're obviously not a deterrent.
They didn't come through the door did they? Seemed to deter them good enough.

>>128992536
Sorry for your loss. I meant more in earlier stages though.. ex. Abortion pill RU-47

>>128992653
That literally limits how fast it shoots

>>128981239

Cumming on your face is murder.

>>128991726
>>128992653

Just to build off this, I really want to understand how your argument is just "You shouldn't because I don't like it" instead of "You are not allowed because there is a law against it".

Do you understand how the law works? Why do you not respect the law?

>>128992615
>Muh Intellect
Hold onto your fedora big man, please.

In such an event you realise that every person who would turn "Primitive" Would still have these weapons to use against you an in addition giving neither side an advantage as well as the fact that if you're so well versed in history you'll realise that no disaster has occurred in modern human history that required the entire populace to be armed.

>>128992698
Personally I would rather die than be put in either of those places. We just have different perspectives

>>128992732
This is true although i wouldnt expect a traumatized teen to know to go to walgreens

>>128992698

But the anon already highlighted the issues with that. There's not enough people out there willing to adopt children as it is. All you're doing is just flooding an already overburdened system unless you're willing to shell out more billions in welfare, shelter and medical aid for these kids.

>>128981773
theres to many non whites on this planet, we are not even 1 billion people

>>128992761
Quality post. Really activated my almonds. Please post more text in green next to funny png

>>128992709
Fires have been prevented by fire extinguishers.
The LA Riots were not prevented by the fact people had guns.
The looting after hurricane katrina was not prevented by the fact people had guns.
These issues were settled with reason and authority not vigilantie justice

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>>128992465
The power grid going down due to an attack or a natural disaster would drain food and medical supplies in a manner of days. His point was that government services can barely handle one location let alone a national crises. Rape, death, and chaos would ensue. Metrosexual bootlicking communist city scum will be the first to witness real "post-modernism."

>>128992837
No it does not. Look up bump fire stocks, look up binary triggers. Stop pretending you know anything about guns. Why are you going to argue your ignorant opinions on things you don't understand?

Have you just been conditioned to have an irrational fear of guns?

>>128992815
Either they came through some doors or it wasn't an issue at all that would not have simply been settlted by the authorities
>Pick a side

>>128992928
Id be in favor of shifting planned parenthood money to orphans. But you cant just go around murdering people because "dam kids are expensive"

>>128992923
>This is true although i wouldnt expect a traumatized teen to know to go to walgreens
They call 911, the police/ambulance comes, they do a rape kit or w/e its called (checking for sperm and dna) and right then and there (or before) they can give them one of those pills.

There is no reason why this shouldn't be the SOP when dealing with alleged rape victims.

>>128992928
Yes that is what I was trying to get at. So many people want their own kids and won't adopt.. even gay people ..many get a serrogate or something instead of adopting.

>>128993006
Americans have a right to defend themselves and their property. It's not vigilante justice for us to defend ourselves.

>>128981239
Abortion is the one thing that keeps the black population in check. Tear it off and you'll hasten your demise, Americano.

Hispanics resist it because they're Catholics, but think twice.

>>128991861
10/10

>>128993038
No actually because there are more services then "The National Guard and the Army" Police for example. Now imagine if these people were the only ones who held guns, they are not too numerous so as to be able to "Take over or abuse power" Which all you Americans seem to fear so much but they are not so under equipped so as to be useless. However put the same firepower in the hand of these "Looters and rapists" And suddenly the groups put in place to protect you are no longer able to protect you.
>All going on the assumption that your country is such a cesspit that people would turn on in each in minutes

>>128988845
no. its me taking a shit on Taco Tuesday

>>128981239
Like really? Like seriously?

>>128993146
>calling the authorities when there is a break in
That's pretty smart my man, the first responders should be there before rigor mortis sets in and that should make it easier for them to move your body.

Very conscientious of you to think of them.

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>>128992912
Lack of exact prior events doesn't dictate the lack of what I think are probable future events. Your naive logic won't get you far in life, and that's fine by me.

>>128993251
So do we, But it serves us fine to bash some cunt's head in with a hammer because he'll be coming into our house with the same. Because we don't give a gun to anyone who asks nicely enough it means we're still on an even playing field if not giving the advantage to us due to the odds of numbers (A family) Or surprise (In your own house) That often a fire arm does not provide.

>>128993340
Criminals commit crime. With your argument of putting guns into the hands of "looters and rapists" why wouldn't criminals just illegally purchase a gun off the black market?

Why are you attacking a law abiding citizens right to defend themselves against gun crime? Felons are not allowed to own guns.

>>128993384
>Australia
What's he going to kill you with? A knife? Hey look you have one too!
>America
What's he going to kill you with? A gun? a Bat? A fucking Shoe? Maybe it's your drunk wife stumbling home? Sure hope you're ready to fire on someone the second you see them or you're going to die in the case they have a gun or you're going to commit a murder that was either unnecessary or very quickly turns into a homicide

>>128993046
Neither of which are necessary. I like guns. But way to move the goalposts

>>128993494
Gun control does not work unless you can somehow make criminals follow the law.
Doesn't that seem like an oxymoron? By outlawing guns only criminals own guns?

Don't be naive.

>>128982058
toddlers depend on their parents to live still but you're going to prison if you kill one

>>128993200
I agree. If they call 911 in time

>>128993514
Typically a Felon will already own a gun or as you just said will simply buy one off the black market.

Except a man going after his cheating wife and shooting her new husband in the face isn't going to know about the existance of a black market, a man drunk getting into a fight with a friend in his house isn't going to know about the black market. Not every criminal is part of the Mafia or Triads or whatever the fuck you have

>>128993617
>What's he going to kill you with? A knife? Hey look you have one too!
oh i forgot, you guys banned guns so now the criminals don't have them anymore. Smart move.

Why don't you go ahead and ban murder and burglary to? Then you don't have to worry about anything.

>>128993626
There you go again with "necessary".

When will you understand, there are now laws against it.
The law is not judged based on your opinions.

Are you actually retarded or are you just trolling me? Are leftists actually just too far gone?

>>128993637
Youd still reduce gun fatalities

>>128992819
I was within the first trimester. Only 8 weeks. Abortions are done up to 10 weeks with misoprostal. No need to be sorry, not trying to make anyone feel bad, just trying get people to think with a little more perspective.

Women who have experienced miscarriage like this rarely discuss it, so people who have never experienced a pregnancy have no idea just how alive they are so early on.

>>128993637
By making guns close to impossible to acquire for pretty much anyone who isn't part of a far larger organisation or military. It stops Bob Alan from shooting his wife in the face when he gets angry after finding out she cheated on him rather then taking the time to cool the fuck down, or at least giving her an opportunity to fight back

>>128981333
Poland we need to implement the 2nd admantment across Europe.

>>128981239
OP , i'm pro-abbortion (within the first two months).
While my political belief are anti-subzidies, small governments, private healthcare (with a government regulation tied to average income percentages to prevent overpricing), pro weapon rights, pro castle law.

>>128993747
This isnt a fucking congressional hearing you bumbling faggot this is 4chan. No shit my opinion isnt the law. What the hell is your point?

>>128993738
See
>>128993840
Also ya boy Johnny Howard actually followed up most cases of gun ownership before the laws requiring them to be relinquished

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>>128981239
I hope someone drowns you baby killing bitches

>>128993725
You can easily kill people with cars too. Guns are not the only device that is effective at killing people.
You outlaw the criminal activity, not the device.

Obviously outside of putting people in straight jackets or ruining a precrime operation minority report style then it's possible for bad people to do bad things. That doesn't mean you can just ban whatever you want form the public because a bad person could do bad things with it.

A screwdriver would be banned in a prison because it's dangerous. This is fine, because the public do not live in a prison and are responsible enough not to sharpen it into a shank and stab someone with it. Law abiding citizens are NOT criminals. You cannot strip them of a RIGHT in America. Your country does not have a 2nd amendment right which is why they could implement a mandatory buyback program.

>>128993626
>necessary
Imagine if we built a society on laws where every one was allowed just the necessity.

First of all your cars speed limit would be capped at what ever the maximum legal speed was, then you would not be allowed to buy a new car with X amount of horse powers (environment and all that) if you didn't specifically need that much power for work or if you're leaving in a particularly hilly area that justified you having a powerful car.

Then the government can take all your excess luxury goods like boats, extra cars, motorcycles etc, spare clothes etc.

After all we need to save the planet and those things aren't necessary for you.

oh and since you don't have any need for your garage or hobby room any more you will be housing 3 bums, after all such a big domicile for yourself is not necessary.

TL;DR
Get fucked

SHALL

>>128994073
There are already speed limits

>>128993924
>See
Yeah, i can see that you are retarded by reading that post. You can make a gun from 25 bucks worth of pipes and tools from the hardware store.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRDnVSMr5j0&t=53s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgw4X7Dw_3k&t=55s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5Af8vIym2o

>>128993922
So you are against abortion because it's wrong.
Yet you are all for gun control even though it's also wrong?

I don't understand why you will speak out about one injustice but then propagate the other.

Killing a human life is wrong.
Stripping away rights from people for no good reason is wrong.