Chess

>2D chess
So paper?

>>128966292
>American education

probably is correlated with strategic ability and IQ and that bums me out because I've never in my life won a game of chess

>>128966150
It's a good indicator of memory.
>inb4 GO meme

I am willing to bet that Putin is better than Trump at actual 2D chess. Could just be stereotyping.

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>>128966292
Nigga why...

>>128966150
Chess skill only indicates you're good at chess, and autistically obsessed with it. It has little to do with general intelligence.
t. chess player

Chess is actually a strategy game not unlike any RTS or turn based on a digital system, likewise you can learn the rules, the flaws in the systems players use and follow patterns. Chess actually has a significant portion of rote even if it's creative enough to be enjoyable at low levels, playing chess against AI doesn't have the same thrill.

Political skills are another question, it's like what happened to the dating game after the internet released PUA. Women and your political rivals are so "perceptive" to tricks they start to see them when they're not there and then act in a canned strategic manner, which has some likely effect due to the scenario or similarity thereof. Learning and teaching means counterstrategising and gather cointel. This is a good thing with horrid strategies, like Alinsky's rules for radicals, but ultimately puts everyone on edge knowing this stuff is out there.

Also let's get a game going: d4

>>128967114
d3

>>128967277
e4

>>128967318
b12 let's not do this, never mind, sorry

>>128966292
Regular chess is 2d chess dummy

>>128966655
The stereotype is true though. They teach that shit in grade school over there.

>>128967375
d3 is illegal but I figured you meant d6

>>128967441
>They teach that shit in grade school over there.
No they don't and didn't. Also Putin attended sambo club not chess club. Chess clubs members were universally considered typical nerd guys in USSR too.

>>128966572
Chess doesn't use memory.

>>128966402
Nothing is actually 2d

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>>128968046

>>128967114
i'll play you m8
d5

>>128968046
It does. You can get away with no knowing start templates by knowing them is huge advantage so most player study them (and all pros). Therefore there is strong correlation between memory and player's strength.

>>128968281
I could start a game, completely forget it, then come back and look at the board and start thinking about my next move. You can memorize some openings, but that won't help you end game

>>128968612
If you're playing speed chess then it has a lot to do with memory, but that's not really strategic thinking that I relate to chess

>>128968823
>You can memorize some openings
Which is a HUGE part of chess strategy. You cannot play chess at a decent level without memorizing a ton of openings.

Memorization is also very important to endgame strategy, as ultimately there's a limited number of endgame scenarios and there are right and wrong moves for each of them.

That's one of the biggest differences between go and chess (even at the middling amateur level) - although most serious go players do memorize joseki etc there is MUCH more memorization in chess and you have to get started with it much earlier if you want to advance (whereas with go honestly memorizing openings before you're already pretty good is detrimental to your play).

>>128968823
>but that won't help you end game
End game is full of standard templates too. Hell how and in which conditions (number of figures on the board etc) it is possible to execute checkmate is chess basics players learn when they start study for real.

>>128969444
Go is full of memorization as well.
You have to memorize lots of basic shapes.
Joseki is also highly important.

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>>128967441
i learned chess in gradeschool here you fucking little bitch, what now?

Even top level grandmaster games are 98% memory and 2% inspiration.

>>128966150
What happens when both winning and loosing in chess can become a skill?

It's a good indication of being able to think logically and to memorize.

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>>128966150
No, chess has strict rules with no flexibility in them allowed. Politics don't, they are experts in loop holes and bending the game to suit their needs.

>>128967733

Hold up, didnt everybody's parents teach them how to play chess?

Maybe this skill went away when two income families became necessary. My mother taught everyone of us prior to kindergarten. This along with checkers, Mah Jong, Pinnacle, how to weed a garden...you know, shit most people should be taught from their parents?

Sorry your mother was a whore lefty that brought home a new "uncle" every other weekend to have a slumber party.

>>128966150


chess is basically rote memoraztion at high levels.


no real strategy is involved at a competitive level, might as well ask chess players to compete in seeing who can memorize most phone numbers.

>>128971865
Politics is more like the skill set required in.. real estate development.

>>128972241
t. novice chess player

Well the guy on the left definitely is.

>>128968257
No shit
>American education