Fuck Catholics

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>>128947441
> They got the Bible banned in public schools
That's because they don't even follow the bible. They believe in work salvation

1 John 5
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

Reverlation 21:7
He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

1 John 3
Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

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>>128947441
>not mentioning that catholic charities are the ones behind the refugees coming into the US

Papists will be purged on the day of the rope.

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>>128947746
proddies are the most redpilled

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>>128947746

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>>128947742
>Genesis 15:6: And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
>Matthew 7:21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. (See John 6:40)
>Matthew 7:22-23: Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
>Luke 5:20: And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
>Luke 23:40-43: But the other answering rebuked him, saying, Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemnation? And we indeed justly; for we receive the due reward of our deeds: but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.
>John 3:16: For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
>John 3:18: He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
>John 6:28-29: Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God? Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
>John 6:40: And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day. (See Matthew 7:21)

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>>128948051
>John 14:6: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
>Luke 5:24: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
>John 6:40: And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
>John 6:47: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

>>128947441
Catholics will burn in hell.

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>>128948096
>Acts 10:43: To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.
>Acts 16:31: And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
>Romans 1:17-18: For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
>Romans 3:28: Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
>Romans 4:5: But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
>Romans 5:1: Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
>Romans 10:9: That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
>Romans 11:6: And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
>Romans 14:23: …for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
>1 Corinthians 1:21: For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
>Galatians 2:16: Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

>>128948158
>Galatians 2:21: I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
>Galatians 3:8: And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
>Galatians 5:4-5: Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
>Ephesians 1:13-14: In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
>Ephesians 2:8-10: For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
>Philippians 3:9: And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
>1Timothy 1:1: Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.
>Titus 3:5: Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
>James 2:10: For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

>>128947441
every (negative) news article I read about Americans or Trump is written by either a shalom sandnigger or a catho. Quebec is a literal catho caliphate. When the salam sandniggers get large enough in population they're going to demand their own autonomous region in canada citing quebec as precedent.

>>128947441
>They got the Bible banned in public schools
I thought it was atheist

Oops

>>128948148
They always qoute Matthew 7:21 without looking at the other half of the verse or looking up what God's will is. Or they don't post the next 2 verses that say if you believe your works save you you don't enter Heaven.

Matthew 7
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

(Relating to the Father’s will in Matthew 7:21)
John 6
38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Matthew 7:21 is saying that you can't fake having faith. You actually have to believe.

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>>128947441
iirc, The Catholic Bishop's conference of America is the only organization which was greatly against of Capeshit degeneracy. Iirc, only a Catholic Priest had the guts to call out jews on radio and live television

really makes me think

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Daily reminder that Protestants are the reasons why Jews control Europe and America.

Protestants are the reason why niggers were imported en masse to America.

Protestant European nations are overwhelmingly fucked by refugees

Protestants have lesbian pastors.

Protestants think you can dance with snakes and jump around on the altar

Protestants didn't even exist for 15 centuries

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>Fuck Catholics
>Ireland was once a catholic country
>Women can work after having a child now.

>>128947441
Catholic here, hows it feel to be shit tier Protestants and Baptists? Enjoy that lake of fire while getting raped by both our and your butt fucking priests. (Cuz we can at least agree fags burn in hell)

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>>128948502
see >>128947835
It's the jews, atheists, and Cuckolicks fault.

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These links present a huge, verifiable amount of evidence to prove that Jews are actively working towards eradicating the European peoples. This is Jews and Jewish texts IN THEIR OWN WORDS.

http://muslimghettos.blogspot.com/2014/12/white-genocide-jewish-plot.html?m=1

http://andrewcarringtonhitchcock.com/jewish-genocide-of-the-white-race-case-closed/

WHY?
Jewish Supremacist Mythos

"The mashiach [Jewish messiah] will bring about the political and spiritual redemption of the Jewish people by bringing us back to Israel and restoring Jerusalem (Isaiah 11:11-12; Jeremiah 23:8; 30:3; Hosea 3:4-5). He will establish a government in Israel that will be the center of all world government, both for Jews and gentiles (Isaiah 2:2-4; 11:10; 42:1). He will rebuild the Temple and re-establish its worship (Jeremiah 33:18). He will restore the religious court system of Israel and establish Jewish law as the law of the land (Jeremiah 33:15)...The world after the messiah comes is often referred to in Jewish literature as Olam Ha-Ba (oh-LAHM hah-BAH), the World to Come...In the Olam Ha-Ba, the whole world will recognize the Jewish G-d as the only true G-d, and the Jewish religion as the only true religion (Isaiah 2:3; 11:10; Micah 4:2-3; Zechariah 14:9)."
From "Mashiach: The Messiah", Judaism 101

http://www.judeofascism.com/2011/11/jewish-doctrine-vowing-to-indebt.html?m=1

http://jewishracism.blogspot.com/2009/01/jewish-problem-part-3-jews-in-banking.html?m=1

http://holywar.org/jewishtr/wvr.htm

Video of Jews:
Orthodox Israeli Jews: Non Jews Are Beasts to Serve Us as Slaves
https://youtu.be/vfsf6go7MVM [Open]

What Happens When Jews Can Freely Rule?
https://youtu.be/E0LpQrJDgsw [Open]

Judaism in its own words on 'who is human:'
https://www.biblebelievers.org.au/judaism.htm


Saying something is 'anti-Semitic' scarcely ever means that it is untrue. It usually goes to excessive Jewish power or racism.

Learn about the Kalergi and Oded Yinon plans, and spread the Word.

>>128947441

You stole that dress from south-italians and spanish, get your own costume

>>128947441
Poolak, you know bugger all, should have reserved talking about burger's and niggas

>>128948678
see >>128948416

>>128948758
wow modern Christianity is liberal. shocking

Catholicism has only become liberal since the 1960s...after resisting liberalism for almost 2,000 years.

That being said Protestant church are by and far way more degenerate and liberal

>>128948260
No, the Catholics were massively butthurt about the Protestant leaning nativism in education, and so their solution was secularism. Fucking potato-niggers.

>>128948502
>Protestantism used to be the more Pius back in 1550 when Catholicism were degenerate
>Catholicism is now more pius in 2017 with protestantism being degenerate

>>128948918
>That being said Protestant church are by and far way more degenerate and liberal
Not now. Maybe used to be

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>>128947441

REMINDER - THIS IS A SPONSORED THREAD:

All major Christian groups are just an arm of Judaism now.

Everyone who claims otherwise is just here on a chan working for the Jew World Order.


There is no group that isn't compromised except for a few Christian Identity groups and they're just perpetuating Jewish myth and pacifism anyways


There is no point to Christianity anymore and Islam isn't really that different, since they're both race and culture killers and both the sword of the Jew.

The esoteric cucks and religious cucks all serve the Jew banks now.

.
WHITE MAN YOU HAVE AN ANCIENT RELIGION

YOU STILL PRACTICE IT TODAY

IT'S CALLED SCIENCE/PHILOSOPHY AND NATURE:

Example of Aryan faiths:

>Stoicism (reason as divine)

>Buddhism (moral nihilism)

>Zen (anti-cult)

>Nietzsche's Overman (Will to Power)

>Naturalism (nature as divine)

>Cosmotheism (Dr. William Pierce, evolution as divine)

>Nazism (blood and nature as divine)

>Pythoagorism (numbers as divine, "man is the measure of all things")

All perfectly acceptable alternative to Semitic slave cults.


And for the more Esoteric fag who wants Spiritualism you have:

>Zoroastrianism (good replaced with wisdom of good, evil replaced with incorrect thoughts; the first philosophy)

>Vedda (Brahmanism)

>Wotanism (non-cucked chivalry)

>Druidism (nature as spirit)

>Mithra-ism (divine purity, Christianity stole most of its ritual from)


STOP WORSHIPING A JEW AS GOD OF THE UNIVERSE!

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>>128947441
Friendly reminder that Jews do this all day, every day.

Stop replying to bait D&C threads.

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>>128948966
Everything wrong with modern Catholicism can simply be traced back to the Second Vatican Council

Its good because a new pope can simply throw out everything from the council because nothing in it was dogmatically defined.

>>128947441

>doesn't know the difference between catholics and protestants

or

>doesn't know the kkk was protestant

either way you're retarded anon

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>>128949010
Protestants have always been progressives at heart.

Anti-slavery crusade - Protestants
Anti Alcohol/Temperance - Protestants
Women Voting - Protestants
Americans for Israel - Protestants

Reminder that if your church does not follow the Nicene Creed, the Apostles Creed and the Athanasian Creed, you are a heathen.

>>128947835
Wow, Hispanic Catholics really are useful idiots.

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>>128948051
Meanwhile in early Christians

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>>128949402
And morons who can't agree with each other

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>>128949010
This is the fruit of proddie

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Why are all modern Protestant nations so fucking stupid?

England
>fucked
Germany
>fucked
Sweden
>fucked

Poland
>Catholic safe and white
Hungry
>Catholic safe and white
Czech Republic
>Catholic safe and white

The only exception being France which has always loved niggers for some reason

Reminder, if your leaders fuck children, you are Catholic

>>128947441

Protestants are the reason no one takes Christianity seriously anymore, you cucks believe that your religion should be modeled after your needs and not the other way around, which leads to this faggotry where ultimately there is no middle ground between any of you protestants anymore.

I've been redpilled thanks to Catholicism after years of being a neo-atheist cuck who despised Christianity as a whole because of how intelectually flawed your faith and beliefs are.

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>>128948956
wrong

Protestants are losers

>>128949789
the fruit of the Protestant faith is endless revolution and division

its totally unstable and chaotic

>>128947835
i wonder what caused the 'Other Faiths' demographic to vote more republican in the recent election than in the past 16 years. Sikhs maybe?

>>128948016
Saved to troll The Patriarchy with. Thanks.

>>128947441
No factual basis or background just vague statements.

You are prob from some backwardassfuckville Appalachia taught to hate catholics.

>>128948416
>you need true faith to get into Heaven
>ergo sola Fide


Matthew 25:31-46 - 31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: 32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: 33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. 34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee and hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. 41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels: 42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink: 43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not. 44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? 45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me. 46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

>>128948416
And from John

John 5:28-29: John 5:28-29. "28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the
which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice. 29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
Does Jesus say, those who believed go unto the resurrection of life, or those who have done good, go to the resurrection of life? He said those who have done good. Doesn't fit with sola fide, now, does it?

>>128948502
Isn't there a lesbian Catholic bishop?

>>128949402
Almost all of America is protestant at those times though

>>128950234
ohn 15:10-14 - 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1 John 2:3-5. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

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Protestant architecture is an abomination.

God literally told the Jews in the Old Testament to elaborately design a fucking temple. They spent almost an entire book on it laying out the designs like a total autist. Absolutely no expense spared.

Do you honestly think God doesn't appreciate mankind creating beautiful things to honor him?

>lets build a fucking ugly white toolshed with no skill required

sounds great you idiots

>>128950306
AMERICA was founded on secular principles moron

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>>128950425
Check out protestantism IRL

>>128949545
>>128949677
>>128949888
>>128950156
>>128950234
Wow man those 2 verses vs. over a hundred and those qoutes from people I don't care about really changed my mind

>>128949817
because they have many atheists

>>128948502
i wouldn't blame it squarely on protestants.

it was the protestant work ethic that enhanced the Western World's wealth.

the wealth led to secularity and when atheism became acceptable all areas of european life became degenerate.

protestantism's success became the west's failure.

>>128948502
>Protestants are the reason why Catholics were imported en masse to America.
ftfy

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>>128949817

The majority of Catholics understand the metaphysical meaning of Christianity and it's symbolism, yet they are the ones who tend to be less moral because of it, because they realize it isn't some literal story where you worship a guy that died 2000 years ago and rose from the grave.

Protestants never quite grasped the symbolism and thought that it was literal meaning and that the symbolism was pagan wickedness. its why they tend to be more moral but less intelligent when it comes to faith, its also why they tend to lead to atheism. and once you go atheist its hard to go back or have any type of faith.

Former protestant independent baptist, now atheist.

>>128950396
1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
1 John 3:22-24. 22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
1 John 5:2-3. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

>>128950431
And? That doesn't mean people didn't get their beliefs from the Bible.

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Poor, deceived Judeo-Protestants.

If you only read the Gospels carefully.

http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/hoax/scofield.htm

>>128950306
There were plenty of Catholic Germans and Irish.

During the civil war angry Irish people went on a rampage and started lynching niggers and had to put killed by federal troops to get them to stop.

The rabid anti-slavery northerners were all radical Protestants who didn't understand racial realities and common sense. Their stupidity forced thousands of Americans to kill themselves to free black people...and no one even likes black people, not even Lincoln

Most of the founders saw them as subhuman and clearly never to become citizens

>>128950541
Tell me when JESUS said sola Fide

Oh wait

He doesn't

>>128950526
USA wasn't a theocracy nor under the Anglican Church but early america was extremely extremely christian. no faggot atheist can refute that.

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>>128950658
Which results in this

>>128947441
Not saying you're wrong but White Catholics voted 60-37 for Trump
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/11/09/how-the-faithful-voted-a-preliminary-2016-analysis/

>>128947441
fucking idiot thinks protestants where here first

>>128950739
Yes

Let us live in ISIS tier society

>>128950730
He that believeth in me...

Works will not save you, but works are consequences of being in Christ.

Catholic are so fucking dumb

>>128950543
>wealth

Wealth isn't a sign of divine providence.

Americans turned their fellow man into wage slaves for no fucking reason. Great we are rich now...and what has it gotten us. Generations of some of the worst people on the planet

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> blames Catholics for things Jews did

Hey SURPERERIOR Northern European, why is 50% of your language (100% of abstract concepts) derived from Greek and Latin? Is that because Southern Europe was inventing philosophy while you were illiterate savages sacrificing your children to bog gods?

>>128950730
Jesus didn't speak latin dumbass>>128950730

1 Corinthians 3:10-17 - 3:10 "According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon. 11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. 16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are."
Doesn't fit with Sola Fide, now does it?


Why did he imply some sort of purgatory?

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>>128950730
John 3:16/18/36
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
>whosoever believeth

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
>He that believeth

36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
>He that believeth

also
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>>128950890
>128950890
English were protestants by far you retard.

only one american president was catholic,

fuck learn to read

>>128950890
protestants are a bunch of faggots

>>128950926
>and do my commandment.....
Which he had listed down

Protestants are so dumb

And if works are needed for true faith then works domehow count in SALVATION

>>128950238
No

>>128951047
he first Christian worship service held in the current United States was a Catholic Mass celebrated in Pensacola, Florida.(St. Michael records)

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>>128950997
KEK

Then he doesn't agree with sola Fide either

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>>128950238
There's a protestant one, just for you

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>>128950928
this

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>>128947441
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYiHczkAvi8

>>128949848
This is correct. Protestants make up thier own rules. For example on Anglican Church can say no gays, another one down the street can have a gay pastor. Catholic FTW.

"Protestant Church" is an ironic name. We left the Catholic Church because of their bribery, their false idol worship, "rosary beads," massive pedophile ring, etc. etc. The Vatican is rotted out with corruption. Everyone who doesn't submit to their falsities is called a "protestant" when in practical terms that is just every day good-willed Christians that see evil for what it is and where it is.

>>128951030
>numerous other references about doing commandments
>even defines what this commandments of jesus are
Tell me when John didn't mention this

Anyone knows believing is the major part of it which is also lived and shown

Dumbass

>>128947441
Yeah but we're not as bad as jews

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>>128951329
I bet this is false

>>128951113
yes following the commandments save you. But NO ONE follows them all.

Romans 3
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
>23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

James 2:10King James Version (KJV)
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

You break even ONE commandment(lying is breaking a commandment(Rev 21:8/27)) you break them all.

>>128947441

$5.00. Damn. Mine cost $150. I'll never buy from a nigger again.

>>128947441
>muh denominations
>fuck those christians i'm the real christian
heretic

>>128951436
You mean love one another?

Because jesus did give us a definition of his commandment

And that did not include the mosaic stuff

>>128951335
>he doesn't know what "whosoever believeth" means
also please read this
https://www.gotquestions.org/great-white-throne-judgment.html
it explains why you SHOULD do good works

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>>128949010

No, Protestants are still much worse. The Catholic Church, for all her faults, has held the line on male-only priesthood, divorce, fag marriage, contraception, abortion, "gender theory" and masturbation. Name one Protestant denomination that still has exclusively male leadership, much less any of the other things I mentioned.

>>128951436
and anyone is invited to look at Paul's description of justification by faith

He did not say God mind controlled abraham

He said abraham trusted God

>>128951313
lol "Protestant" are not centralized by any church. We will call out corruption wherever we see it and we do not belong collectively to any single church or priest.

You guys worship the Vatican like it is your god, regardless if it becomes corrupt.

>>128951624
Except.....the verses that speak of judgement in accordance to deeds don't say it is simply 'bonus'

Come back when you follow your own rule

The jews need to go first. Then take out the muds. After that the country will be cured.

>>128951313
Anglicans and Episcopalians and other protestants made the western world.

Catholicism is limited to Mediterraneans and Irish.

When the West adopted Catholic leaders and Jewish leaders and lasped Protestants(atheists) the Western world fell.

The supreme court is now JEWS and Catholics...really makes me think

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>>128951692
And also do shit like this

>>128948502
Protestants founded America to get away from Catholic turd world surfdom, you Paddy come lately potatonigger.

Go roll a drunk, bog troll.

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>>128951631
I haven't at least seen a female Baptist preacher. Also if you actually look at the voting patterns you guys are the lefties. Also we actually believe in God(see pic).

http://www.pewforum.org/religious-landscape-study/belief-in-god/

>>128951814
Wow

Didn't know it was the protestants who were like CATHOLICS that did it

The first Christian worship service held in the current United States was a Catholic Mass celebrated in Pensacola, Florida.(St. Michael records) source - wikipedia

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>>128951887
And we haven't seen the early christians sola fide

>>128951657
>He did not say God mind controlled abraham
>He said abraham trusted God
no shit retard

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>>128951329
You left the one true Church founded by Jesus Christ and St. Peter, the first pope. No one said it would be all sunshine and roses; St. Peter himself denied Christ three times. But you don't get to make up your own "new" churches - there is only one.

>>128951434
Corruption implies you were good at one point.

>>128951941
>muh early Christians
I really do not care at all. And most likely they're all burning in Hell right now. Make sure to say hi to them when you get there.

>>128951946
Luther and CALVIN the creators of sola Fide

Deny free will

>>128951902
>you
history of USA is protestant
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_affiliations_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States

Notice that Supreme court was Catholics and Jews??? Really makes me think

>>128951843
>Who were the Puritans and WHERE (Britain post reformation) do they come from

Protestants left Protestant turf because they weren't Protestant enough, but then again expecting protestants or "I just a Christian xDDD" types to know history is like expecting an amputee to walk

>>128952091
HAHAHAHAHAHHA

>hades will not prevail over my church
>hades prevail

>>128951991
Protestantism is not corruptoon

It is nonsense

>>128951814
> Catholicism is limited to Mediterraneans and Irish.

The Catholic Church is the original church that once unified all Europe until Henry VIII wanted a divorce and Luther wanted to marry a nun. Still today, there are Northern European nations like Poland, Hungary and Lithuania that are Catholic. Catholicism has also grown rapidly in South Korea in the past decades.

>>128949848
>t.civic nationalist cultural christian atheist
Fuck off heretic.

>>128952128
Meanwhile the founding fathers were largely deistic

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>>128947441
How does this make you feel, WASP cuck?

>>128952128
protestants are just degenerate catholics
excommunicated from the one true religion
youre lucky we are here to keep you from falling
into the firey pits of hell.

Where did the bible say judgement is merely bonus and if your works don't add up you still saved but without the bonus?

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>>128947835
>more white Catholics vote for Trump than Protestants

>>128952372
Protestants are anti science

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>>128952179
>hades
You're probably a Cuckolick because you don't even use KJV

Religion in South Korea is characterized by the fact that an absolute majority of South Koreans (56.9% as of 2015) have no formal membership in a religious organisation; among those that are members of a religious organisation, there is a dominance of Protestantism, Buddhism, and Roman Catholicism. According to the national census conducted in 2015, 19.7% of the population belongs to Protestantism, 15.5% to Buddhism (Korean Buddhism), and 7.9% to the Roman Catholic Church. Wikipedia

Who freed the blacks in the civil war? protestants.
Who ended slavery and discrimination against blacks and other? British Protestants.

Who started the war which led to the downfall of Europes glory? Protestants.

Who held off Muslim armies for centuries? Catholics.

>>128952585
Who sucks Muslim cock now. The Pope

>>128951830
You're missing the point. "Protestants" are not tied together. Many non-Catholic Christians never even refer to themselves as "Protestants." All Catholics submit to the Vatican as if it were their god, so we can point out things like "Look at x,y, and z, look at the corrupt things they do. Why are you with them?"

You retaliate with, "Well look at this Protestant priest and that Protestant church, and see what they do! Why do you follow them?"

We can say, "We do not know that church or that priest, and we condemn their falsities and their corruption if proven true."

If we see a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing, we call it out and deal with it. Catholics do not do this with the Vatican because they have made it into their idol.

>>128952521
Tell me when the KJV is the original book

Oh wait it's validity depends on translations and copied made by heretics by your logic

>>128952445
???
Did you see the one that is in the gray bars?

>>128952585
Who made catholicism protestant?

Vatican 2

Catholics can trace the origin of thier church to St. Peter. One of Jesus disciples. The first Pope.

Protestants trace thier roots to who...Henry the VIII, who killed multiple wives and left the church because he wanted a divorce. Or Martin Luther who argued that faith alone could save someone and who married an ex nun 16 years his junior.

If you honestly are searching for the truth, your search will always lead you to the Catholic Church.

>>128952532
If you're replying to me saying Catholicism has grown rapidly in SK, nothing you said contradicts that. I didn't say they were a majority, I said they've "grown rapidly."

>>128952733
>heretics
hah

https://youtu.be/IWawfP5Sj0k

>>128952723
And because they are not tied together they cannot agree with each other and end up killing each other and doing shit to each other over differences in sola scripture intepretation

Sola ego is the wolf

>>128947441
Every Catholic country is full of lazy shitbags with no sense of work ethic. That's no surprise since according to the pope, all you need to do to get into heaven is: get water poured on your head, tell them your incriminating secrets, and attend weekly incense huffing contests. It makes sense why those nations are filled to the brim with useless parasites since those greedy pedophiles promised them eternal salvation without effort. How can you even trust a church that rewrites the word of God for political favor?

>>128952800
Protestants trace their roots from the Bible. Catholics trace their origins from culture.

>>128952874
Like protestants who can't agree which translation is right

They can't even agree on which Scripfura to use

KEK

>>128952999
2For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3For what does the scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness. 4 Now to one who works, his wages are not reckoned as a gift but as his due. 5 And to one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is reckoned as righteousness. 6So also David pronounces a blessing upon the man to whom God reckons righteousness apart from works: 7"Blessed are those whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered; 8 blessed is the man against whom the Lord will not reckon his sin."

For those ill-informed on what Catholicism teaches on grace and works, Paul seems to speak directly against the Catholic view. Even for those with the correct Catholic view, Paul at first glance seems to speak against works of any kind as being the grounds of one's justification. However, this is only a superficial look at the text. Before we dive into Paul's use of Abraham and David in Romans 4, a few points must be considered on Paul's negative usage of the word works in relation to justification: What is the kind of works that is critiqued? Paul shows us the following points:

>>128950238
Women can't be priests, bishops, etc.

>>128952800
Luther also hated Aristotle and the Scholastics like Thomas Aquinas, probably a little jealous

>>128953043
A) Paul says that works, in and of itself, does not justify oneself before God. We don't earn salvation. This actually perfectly fits the Council of Trent, where it says that to hold that one's works justify oneself before God, anathematizes himself from the Catholic Church. Canon 1. "If anyone says that man can be justified before God by his own works, whether done by his own natural powers or through the teaching of the law, without divine grace through Jesus Christ, let him be anathema."

B) The works that don't justify are those that apart from God's grace. Abraham did not boast about how good he was. The boasting aspect of the "works of the law" is what Paul condemns in other passages (Rom. 2:17, 23; 3:27; 4:2; Eph. 2:9). For a detailed look at the meaning of works of the law please click on Galatians 3:10-14, Faith, Works, and Works of the Law This is similar to Jesus critique of the Pharisees. Anyone who attempts to make himself right with God by his own works is one who is "puffed up", one who "boasts" of his own goodness and is filled with his own self-importance and significance (cf., Luke 16:15; 18:9). This is what Paul is contending against in this passage.

>>128952252
lol, Protestantism became a thing because the Catholics were veering away from the Bible and doing their own thing (mostly bribery and corruption)

If you are saying Protestantism is nonsense, you are calling The Bible nonsense, and so you're not really Christian. You are basically like the other Catholics which are no more than Christian LARPers with no true beliefs.

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Catholics are pagan LARPers who fuck children

>>128953167
Funny that protestants will end up denying sciencr

>>128953214
And protestantism can't even get shit right

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>all this non-sense

It's like none of you want to follow the church of the first 1000 years.

>>128953188
The only kind of works that we have that are any good, is the kind that comes exclusively from God's grace. 'It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me (Gal. 2:20). Those that are done with a boastful attitude do not suffice before God. Augustine sees Paul condemning those "because they were working it out as it were by themselves, not believing that it is God who works within them... Then are we still in doubt what are those works of the law by which a man is not justified, if he believes them to be his own works, as it were, without the help and gift of God, which is by the faith of Jesus Christ?" (Augustine, On the Spirit and the Letter, ch. 50, Schaff, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers, p. 105).

Everything that we do right is exclusively from God, and thus we do not want to boast in anything but what God does for us. As Augustine (Letters 194:5:19 [A.D. 412]).succinctly writes: "What merit, then, does a man have before grace, by which he might receive grace, when our every good merit is produced in us only by grace and when God, crowning our merits, crowns nothing else but his own gifts to us?"

>>128952999
Where does the Bible come from?
Who determined the 66 (you're missing 7 books) universally accepted Biblical canon
Why was Biblical canon accepted by not just Catholics but Orthodox Christians for 1500 years?

>>128953406
c) Notice the category of works in Romans 4:4 which Paul specifically says will not justify. That where one earns a wage. 'Now to one who works, his wages are not reckoned as a gift but as his due.' Specifically note that the category which Paul goes on to say that does not justify is where thus, one puts God in a employee- employer relationship. As though one just works, and God owes him something. Paul categorically condemns this. Salvation is not our due: It must be noted, though, that Paul specifically does use the term wages in a positive sense, in Galatians 6:8-9, where it says the wages of faithful good works is eternal life (Gal. 6:8-9). However, the context in Galatians, as in Romans, speak of good works done in God's grace, in the context of a Father-Son relationship (Rom. 8:14-17, Gal. 4:4-7). Those are not wages in a strict sense. Those are instances where God rewards faithfulness. However, it was not that we obligate God. He rewards based on him looking through his eyes of grace, not because he owes us. In Romans 4 on the other hand Paul specifically contrasts the concept of wage, as an obgligation, or due, to gift, in the sense that we do not have the right to tell God "You owe us salvation.". The Catholic Church likewise condemns and does not tolerate the idea that one earns salvation as though God owes us

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>>128953167
*pic

>>128952866
sauce

>>128953260

Be honest how many kids have you fucked today father Michael ?

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>protestant church in america

>>128947441
catholic, protestant, muslims, jewish. guess what? You are all the same mongoloid ignorant idiot who need to either educate themself or fucking get lost where there's no oxygen.

>>128953014
Again, Protestants are not one big group. But I don't think you're hear to listen to reason. You will follow your Catholic Church straight into Hell if that's where it was going.

>>128953236
>human organization gets corrupt leadership
>lol forget all that spiritual stuff ima do it my own way

Lutherleaf, pls.

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>Catholic church in america

>>128953499
In Romans 4 on the other hand Paul specifically contrasts the concept of wage, as an obgligation, or due, to gift, in the sense that we do not have the right to tell God "You owe us salvation.". The Catholic Church likewise condemns and does not tolerate the idea that one earns salvation as though God owes us. Whatever we have, is truly a gift from God. God is not a debtor. Paul and the Catholic Church condemns in Romans 4:2-4 the idea of a employee-employer relationship where one earns salvation as though God must fork over salvation because of our works. However, we are in a Father-Son relationship (Gal. 4:4-7, Rom. 8:14-17, Heb. 12:5-12). It is not our due. It is exclusively God's grace and beneficence that justifies us before God. The Catholic Church and Paul recognize this. The only way that we can be justified before God is when he looks at us through the eyes of grace, and not law. If he looks at us through the eyes of law, we will be condemned. If we are in a Father-Son relationship, he looks at us through grace. When our works are looked through God's eyes of grace, God does reward because of his beneficence. This will help to make sense of our examination of Romans 4 and is born out by Paul's examples of Abraham and David.

At the end of the day, Catholics and Protestants are closer than some of the "other" sides. We are all brothers and will need each other to fight the bad guys.

>>128953560
How many church fathers sola fide

>>128953580
>educate themself
Go on...

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>Falling for the King of the Jews

Your arrogance defiles you, because as you know; the truth will set you free.

The truth about immigration, by the numbers:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPjzfGChGlE [Remove]


Cultural Marxist Jews Admit Organizing White Genocide

The plan to eliminate the white race:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOgkGzMdieI [Remove]


Cultural Marxism in action… Political Correctness, the tip of the blade:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6c_dinY3fM [Remove]


Cultural Marxism & Social Justice Explained:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnqIj8C2Aek [Remove]


Why are we in Decline - Cultural Marxism:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VggFao85vTs [Embed]

also see

The facts about slavery in North America:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5tci36bNjg [Embed]

Cultural Marxist Jews fund media propaganda against whites on an enormous scale:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Ojbi6lXQI [Embed]

Does this sound familiar at all? (starting at 6:52)

>https://youtu.be/kPdxhLUKZYM?list=PLo0ThsDnveH5nv5TNviBrGTX9P6IrYfIe&t=412 [Embed]

The Holocaust:

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPc899uUb-A [Embed]

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgGP_evkvOk [Embed]

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxpIsep4160 [Embed]

>>128953583
BECAUDE they schism into other groups

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>>128953605

How many young boys have you raped today?

>>128952723
Catholics do not consider the Holy See to be equivalent to God.

Let's consider why the Holy See exists. First, you have the issue of which books are in the Bible in the first place. Protestants have largely (with the exception of a few unimportant books) copied Catholics when it comes to "what constitutes the Bible." Then you have interpretation. Are you fluent in Hebrew and Greek? Do you have a PhD in theology and ancient history? No? Then how can you as an individual interpret the Bible correctly? You can't. So in Protestantism you get random jackoffs each with their own idiosyncratic interpretation of a particular set of books that the Church chose in the first place. There is nothing in the Bible itself that supports sola scriptura.

However, the Church is clearly established in the Bible. Jesus says to St. Peter "on this rock I will build my church." St. Peter is clearly chosen as a LEADER who must be deferred to, if not obeyed absolutely.

And Protestant "churches" have leaders too, of course. They have similar structures of authority as the Catholic Church. Except their authority structures are based on a destruction of European unity in the late middle ages, rather than on the Bible itself, which they claim to adhere to so rigidly.

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>Worshiping a desert man.

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>>128953561
Catholics have a solid tradition that's existed for nearly 2000 years
Protestants have a solid tradition of having shit taste in everything

>>128953672
This quick look at Romans 4 gives us the background to now look at how Paul's use of Abraham and David do suffice for justification. The Protestant view (more specifically the Calvinist/Baptist view) is that Paul in Romans 4 here shows us, through the examples of David and Abraham is here is where they were justified, as we have noted from prominent Reformed/Protestant authors.. Paul refers us to Abraham first, as the model of how we are justified. The Calvinist view is of a one time imputation of righteousness as the sole grounds of righteousness. Christ's righteousness is imputed to our account, and faith alone is the sole means of appropriating that righteousness. Works will necessarily follow, but they are only the fruit, and never the grounds of one's justification. For this view, Genesis 15 is where the one time imputation occurs. Anytime before Genesis 15 Abraham is not justified, and anytime after (such as Gen. 22 and his offering of Isaac) is just the fruit of his already being justified, not any of the grounds itself of his justification. Catholics on the contrary say that Genesis 15 is a continuation of Abraham's process. This justification is an ongoing process that started at least in Genesis 12, and continues to the end of his life. The Catholic views justification as an ongoing process contingent upon Abraham's obedience.

>>128953451
Catholics were not always bad. Remember, "Protestants" and Catholics were at one point the same. The Vatican eventually veered away from the Bible and caved in to bribery and deceit. The "Protestants" as they were called, were purists that recognized the Vatican had become corrupt and left.

The Vatican is on a road to Hell. Leave it now, or enter it with them.

>>128953817
Calvin said God chooses who he will save before creation

And who he will Damnation

No free will

Puppet

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'Israel' is behind Christian-murdering ISIS

https://leaksource.wordpress.com/2015/01/17/the-yinon-plan-greater-israel-syria-iraq-and-isis-the-connection/

http://21stcenturywire.com/2015/02/19/un-report-reveals-how-israel-is-coordinating-with-isis-militants-inside-syria/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/isis-is-a-us-israeli-creation-top-ten-indications/5518627

>>128953982
Well why do all the protestants fracture and CONTRADIXT the early christian

>>128953982
Henry VIII a purist? Come on man.

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I'd watch what you say about the One True Faith, the faith that crusaded against the Muslim heretics and rooted out Jewish degeneracy in Europa. The Fuhrer was Catholic, in case you didn't know dipshit. Don't worry, you'll be cleansed in due time. Convert now and save yourself unimaginable pain and suffering when we bring back the Inquisition.

>>128953914
As the Protestant view is that here in Genesis 15 is when Abraham became a believer, and was justified, we must examine Genesis 12 to 15 to see if indeed up until that point, Abraham was an unregenerate man, an unbeliever, as the Calvinist view admittedly calls for:

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>>128947441
lol, you hillbillies don't stand a chance.

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>heres another example of a Protestant Church

>>128954194
A) Genesis 12 through 14 - God makes the call to Abraham in Genesis 12:1-3. An unbeliever would not respond positively. What does Abraham do? He departs as the Lord had said, took all his possessions to the land of Canaan. He leaves house and home to who knows where, just at the Lord's bidding , and are we supposed to believe that he is a pagan? Abraham next builds an altar dedicated to the Lord (12:7). Abram calls on the name of the Lord (13:4). After separating himself from Lot Abraham is reminded by God of his promise (13:14-17) and tells him what land to go to. In response, the supposed unbelieving Abram moved his tent, and built an altar there to the Lord (13:18). Next Abram rescues his brother Lot. Melchizedek king of Salem then blesses Abram and said (14:19) "Blessed be Abram of God most high, Possessor heaven and earth;.." Thus, God is already Abram's God. Abram responds by proclaiming that he had lifted his hand to the Lord, God most high, the Possessor of heaven and earth (14:22). Any honest reader will see that Abram was already a believer in Genesis 12 through 14. Paul knows well this background to Genesis 15. Any attempt to say that Paul was saying that Abraham was an unregenerate pagan would make Paul make folly of Scripture. As an inspired writer he could not do such a thing. Abram was a man of faith so in love with God that he did marvelous things that most believers, including me would pale into comparison. If he was not justified then, who in the world would ever be justified? The view that does not acknowledge that Abraham is justified in Genesis 12, makes justification by 'faith alone' harder than justification by works!!!

>>128954258
B) Hebrews confirms that Abraham already was a believer years before Genesis 15. Some may say, well, here Paul is not here talking of the faith that justifies. (Much of tradition holds that Paul is the author of Hebrews, and though authorship is in dispute, I will designate Paul as author). However, Hebrews 11:8 reads "By faith Abraham, when called to go to a place he would later receive as his inheritance, obeyed and went, even though he did not know where he was going." Paul specifically refers us here to Genesis 12, some 25 years before Genesis 15. What kind of faith does he have, where he does not even know where he was going, yet goes at God's bidding, if this is not saving faith? Paul in chapter 11 is not speaking of a pagan faith of unregenerates here. In fact, the surrounding context of Hebrews shows us what kind of faith pleases God. In Hebrews 11:6, just two verses prior to the reference to his mention of Abram he writes: "And without faith it is impossible to please him. For whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him."

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>yet another example of Protestant Church architecture

>>128953864
>on this rock I will build my church
"this" referring to himself. as in John 2:19 Jesus answered them, (at the Temple) “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

It's the socialist Jews who did it. They want to ruin the world.

>>128954420
Notice the kind of faith that Paul commends. In the surrounding context Paul speaks of men of faith (and thus justified as Abel, Enoch and Noah) who all did specific acts that pleased God. These acts were intrinsic to their justification before God. In fact, we have an example of Abel offering sacrifice to God where he was 'deemed righteous,' (Heb. 11:4, language similarly used by Paul in Romans 4). All the acts shown were righteous deeds that God rewarded. In not one of the cases in all of Hebrews 11 were any of the OT saints deemed as unbelievers. Paul is lauding the faith of believers. Yet for the Calvinist, we are supposed to believe that in Abraham, Paul is lauding the faith of an unbeliever, as according to his view of Romans 4, Abraham is only justified in Genesis 15:6. Paul in Hebrews 11 is speaking of faith that pleases God, and is a rewarder of those who seek him. Exactly in that context he puts Abraham right in the center. Notice, BTW, that Abraham is thus approaching God through grace, and faithfulness. God will reward meritoriously, according to Paul those who approach God via grace. That is exactly the Catholic view. Paul in Romans 4 can only be consistent with what he wrote in Hebrews 11. Paul knows very well that Abraham was already justified back in Genesis 12. Abraham did not approach God through law, where even one violation would condemn him.

>>128953982
The Holy Spirit guided the Catholic Church to put together the Bible, the Holy Spirit continues to guide the church because Christ made a promise that "the gates of Hell will not prevail" over his church, not his "fatih, not "his Bible", or his "churches", his One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic church. If you think the spirit was with the church to put together the Bible but think this same spirit abounded the church at some point for whatever reason, then Christ is a liar and that's just heresy yo

>>128947441
Fuck off kike

>>128954472
It doesn't matter because whatever he built was destroyed contra his words

>>128954507
To confirm even more that we know that Abram is justified in Genesis 12, we see in Heb. 11:8 it is written that Abraham "obeyed and went…" What does obedience bring to Paul? Hebrews 5:9 explains: "and being made perfect he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him." (also see Rom. 6:16) We thus see Abraham already justified years before Genesis 15. Paul here in Hebrews 11 shows what any honest reading of Genesis 12 through 14 shows, a justified man performing marvelous acts of faith in God. To say that Abraham was not justified during this time makes a mockery of Scripture, in order to desperately maintain a one time imputation theory.

c) Paul declares Abraham as accounted Righteous (Rom. 4:3, Gen. 15:6). For this to help the Protestant, Abraham should have believed in a forensic imputation of an alien righteousness. Is that what happened in Genesis 15:6? Abraham, through God's grace believes that God will provide a child for Abraham. This is a profound act of faith, indeed, but absolutely nothing in regards to merely trusting God as Savior for an alien righteousness being charged to one's account. Instead, it is God rewarding an act of faith done in God's grace. It is not something that God owes, but something that he does, as an act of God's mercy.

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>>128954101
The fracture because each man is free to worship his own internal monologue --interpreting Sacred Scripture in a way that conforms to their will, and then making divine pronouncements based on these interpretations. This is why they contradict Christianity.

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>another Protestant Church example

>>128954532
I should add that Christ never said anything about the church being perfect or that there wouldn't hard times, in fact he warned us of false prophets and Christians in name only, he just promised that the church wouldn't die by anything humans could do. If the Catholic Church is as "cuck" or "stupid" or "heretical" as people say it is then it would be destroyed a long time ago and be in the dustbin of history

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>heres an example of Protestant Church architecture in asia

>>128954671
Wow didn't know I can now make shit up

So long as sola scripture

Wait who cares when can't agree on scriptura

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>Protestants having the nerve to talk shit about the True Church
This is what you retards produce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFv5ijz6s6A

>>128954666
Romans 4:3, quotes Genesis 15:6 when it says: "For what does the scripture say? 'Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.'"

There is one vital Old Testament passage that uses the exact same language of Paul in relation to justification before God. It is about Phinehas, Psalm 106:29-31. There was abundant sexual sin and idolatry rampant. Phinehas did something to stop that:

29 they provoked the LORD to anger with their doings, and a plague broke out among them. 30 Then Phinehas stood up and interposed, and the plague was stayed. 31 And that has been reckoned to him as righteousness from generation to generation for ever. "Then Phinehas stood up and interposed, and the plague was stayed, and that has been reckoned to him as righteousness from generation to generation forever." Reckoned to him as righteousness, the exact language that Paul uses in Romans 4:3. Is this an external imputation? No! This shows that Phinehas was a righteous man who did a righteous action, (actually killing fornicators, cf. Num. 25:25-30).. As a result of this action, God reckoned him as righteous and stopped the plague. He recognized a righteous action by a righteous man who was already justified. Exactly the same as Abraham. There is no hint of a merely external righteousness getting imputed to Phinehas' account.

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"Catholics are so heretical, become a Protestant guys!"

>>128954472
So you admit St. Peter was one of the original disciples of Jesus. Even under your interpretation, St. Peter was still the first Pope, which the Catholic Church can trace the lineage directly back to him.

I'll go with Jesus' guy.

>>128954972
Why do Protestant exegetes ignore the only exactly parallel passage to Gen. 15:6 and Rom. 4:3? Because it destroys their argument. In fact Psalm 106:31 so much destroys the Protestant position on Rom. 4 and Genesis 15 that John Murray writes: "If Paul had appealed to Psalm 106:31 in the matter of justification, the justification of the ungodly, then the case of Phinehas would have provided an inherent contradiction and would have demonstrated justification by a righteous and zealous act.." John Murray, Commentary on Romans, Vol. 1, p. 131. Psalm 106:30-31 refers to the incident recorded in Numbers 25 in which the men of Israel had sex with Moabite women. The Lord ordered Moses to kill them. Phinehas grabbed a spear and killed a man and woman who were engaging in this sexual sin. God tells Moses that Phinehas was zealous for God's honor, and that as a result of his act Phinehas turned God's wrath away. This is the act that Phinehas is accounted for righteousness. Nothing about an alien righteousness. Phinehas is not merely considered righteous, but this righteousness is inherent. Phinehas' act is a righteous act where God rewards faithfulness. In the same way, Genesis 15 is where God rewards Abraham as he continues in the faithfulness that he has had for years. Abraham continues to be justified.

>>128954532
St. Zeus's bassilisk is literally a pregnant serpent rising out of the See. The alter a dead sheep. The papal regalia is a dragon about to eat you.

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>heres another good example of a protestant church in america

PRAY FOR ISRAEL GOYIM!!!! JOIN US AT THE PROTESTANT MEGACHURCH!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i34l2pyynRw

>>128948918
protestants churches are decentralized. there are liberal and conservative elements

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>>128954978
"Protestantism is redpilled guys, trust me, it's the Catholics who are racemixers!!!!!"

>>128955092
Of course, Abraham's justification continues in Genesis 22. James specifically says that Abraham is justified by works (James 2:21-24). To the idea that he is only 'showing' his justification before men based on v. 18, is James answer, that what he is showing is that he is justified by works (v. 21). (done in faithfulness, and under the auspices of God's grace). Of course Abraham was all by himself and there was no justification before man, when he offered Isaac on the altar. His continuing justification is dependent upon Abraham's actions. Works don't merely qualify the faith that he has, they complete the faith (v.23), and is necessary to be efficacious for salvation. Just as Paul writes "If you have all the faith to move mountains but do not have love, it is worth nothing," (1 Cor. 13:2), James writes that what separates you from salvation, is if you lack works (James 2:21-26).

>>128955201
And they can't agree on shit

>>128955208
Thus, the Bible is clear that in Romans 4, it is absolutely impossible to say that the justification talked of about Abraham, in any way possible could be a one time imputation of forensic righteousness imputed to Abraham's account, and therefore he was set for life, and all the other stuff was merely fruit. Instead, it shows justification to be an ongoing process.

The problem is that this view not only distorts the life of Abraham a few verses earlier, but also the life of David, which Paul uses as an example to prove in verses 6-8 what he is saying in Rom. 4:4-5. In v. 6 Paul writes, 'So Also' to say that David is saved in the same way as Abraham. To prove his point Paul quotes a Psalm of David from which he elucidates his theology. Let us examine the background and the context of the psalm that Paul is quoting from. The Protestant understanding must be that here is where David is justified, and his righteousness is credited (forensically imputed alien righteousness). Since this is the point of David's justification, this must be the first and only time that David is justified. Anything done before this point of time, David is an unregenerate man, and anything after Psalm 32 David is merely for the fruit of justification, or sanctification. If David had already been justified beforehand, and here is again justified, defacto it shows that justification is a process. Any response must take this into account:

>>128955325
Psalm 32:1 "Blesses is he whose transgressions are forgiven, who sins are covered. Blessed is the man who sin the Lord does not count against him." David is rejoicing here, (as in Psalm 51) that God is here forgiving him for his sins of adultery and slaying of Bathsheba and Uriah the Hittite. The time of the events that he is getting forgiveness for is 2 Samuel 11-12.

>>128954992
One of the originals yes, Christ is the chief cornerstone on which his church is built, Peter nd the other Apostles were part of the foundation, but when Jesus said "on this rock" he was referring to himself, just as he was at the temple

Protestants, Catholics and Jews all being outbred by Muslims. Our grandchildren are all in trouble unless the Catholics fancy another Crusade.

>>128947742
>They believe in work salvation

And they are right, explain this, anon.

>Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
- James 2:24 - King James Version (KJV)

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>>128955146
KEK

>>128955394
An important question that concerns us, is this the time of David's one and only justification, as a Protestant of the Calvinist leaning must hold? Everything done before this time he is an unbeliever, and everything after is only the 'fruit' of his justification, supposedly. On the contrary, David since his youth knew and loved the Lord. He sang Psalms to God to soothe Saul. He was not unregenerate then. In 1 Samuel 13:14, years before 2 Sam. 11-12 and Psalm 32, David is called a "man after God's own heart" a distinction given to NO OTHER MAN IN THE BIBLE. And yet, we are supposed to believe that David was an unregenerate man then in order to maintain the one-time imputation theory? In his youth, David called on the Lord to defeat the mighty Goliath (1 Samuel 17). Was he merely a pagan then, according to the one-time imputation theory? David showed his love for God by dancing with all his might (2 Sam. 6:14). The Psalms prior to the time of Psalm 32 were also written well before the events of 2 Sam. 11-12, which were the occasion for Psalm 32. This shows indeed that David was a true child of God before the events of Psalm 32. Otherwise, we would have Psalms written before the time of Psalm 32 by an unregenerate pagan who had no real relationship with God. It would be quite unlikely that the Psalms were written by unbelievers.

>>128953864
>Protestants have largely (with the exception of a few unimportant books) copied Catholics when it comes to "what constitutes the Bible."

"Protestants" and Catholics were at one point the same people. Protestants didn't "copy" you, we just stuck with the teachings of The Bible when the rest of the Vatican gave in to bribery and corruption.

>Do you have a PhD in theology and ancient history? No? Then how can you as an individual interpret the Bible correctly? You can't.

This is wrong on so many levels. Basically saying, "Don't try to interpret The Bible, we will interpret it for you."

It's kind of like when CNN said, "You shouldn't read the Wikileaks yourself. You should let us read it and interpret it for you. We're smart, you're dumb, so just trust what we say."

>Protestantism you get random jackoffs each with their own idiosyncratic interpretation of a particular set of books that the Church chose in the first place.

Again, "Protestants" aren't centralized. We don't have priests or bishops or a Pope that we idolize and follow. If someone wearing a priests garments started talking crazy and says things that go against The Bible, we just don't listen to this person anymore.

Yes, we individually read The Bible and we follow it. Some of us read many versions of it, modern and old, and research and compare. It's usually through this that we look at the Vatican and realize for ourselves it is a corrupt institution and not worth devoting to.

>>128955413
But why did it fall?

Most Catholic countries have been ultra religious fascist/authoritarian states tho. Traditionally the fear has been that Catholics would Christianize the state and support traditionalist government, but at some point (((infiltrators))) changed the public image. Democrat Catholics, like most "Christian" politicians today, are usually far more to the left than average Catholics.

>>128955503
Protestantism is like tearing down wikileaks

>>128955433
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5yprmqVkiY

>>128955547
Same tendencies are also found in the reformers

1. Luther

"There are others who teach in opposition to some recognised article of faith which is manifestly grounded on Scripture and is believed by good Christians all over the world, such as are taught to children in the Creed . . . Heretics of this sort must not be tolerated, but punished as open blasphemers . . . If anyone wishes to preach or to teach, let him make known the call or the command which impels him to do so, or else let him keep silence. If he will not keep quiet, then let the civil authorities command the scoundrel to his rightful master - namely, Master Hans [i.e., the hangman]." (111;v.10:222/48)

"That seditious articles of doctrine should be punished by the sword needed no further proof. For the rest, the Anabaptists hold tenets relating to infant baptism, original sin, and inspiration, which have no connection with the Word of God, and are indeed opposed to it . . . Secular authorities are also bound to restrain and punish avowedly false doctrine . . . For think what disaster would ensue if children were not baptized? . . . Besides this the Anabaptists separate themselves from the churches . . . and they set up a ministry and congregation of their own, which is also contrary to the command of God. From all this it becomes clear that the secular authorities are bound . . . to inflict corporal punishment on the offenders . . . Also when it is a case of only upholding some spiritual tenet, such as infant baptism, original sin, and unnecessary separation, then . . . we conclude that . . . the stubborn sectaries must be put to death." (111;v.10:222-3/49)

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WHEN WILL IT END PROTTIES?

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>>128947441

>>128955458
Although David earlier in his life was a true child of God, he did something to make himself ungodly. He committed major sin (per. 1 John 5:17, Gal. 5:19, 1 Cor. 6:9, Gal. 5:5) with Bathsheba and Uriah to make him become ungodly (2 Sam.11-12). He disinherited himself. That is how he could be called ungodly coming into Psalm 32 (and thus explains how he was termed ungodly in Romans 4:5). How was he forgiven? By sincere repentance given in the grace of God as so heartfelt to put it in Psalms 32 and 51. He did not earn his way back through law, as Paul clearly states one can not do. In this state of mortal sin, he responds to God's grace and is rejustified. He is put back in God's grace. However, it is not David earning his way back into God's grace, not as an employee from an employer. It is a Father-Son relationship. Paul shows that works do not earn his grace back, but his justification is won back by repentance, which is the very point of Rom. 4:4-8. Paul's sees David's acknowledgment and confession of his sin, a total reliance and recognition of God's beneficence, grace and mercy, reflecting the Catholic position. He is here credited as righteousness. The fact of David's earlier Godly life, with the fact that he put himself outside of God's grace, and the fact that his repentance led him to justification shows several things fatal to the Calvinist understanding of justification:

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>>128947441
Divide and Conquer thread.

Catholics had nothing to do with the separation of religion from public schools, which was the result of a Supreme Court ruling by Justices who were appointed by Protestant Presidents.

Fucking shills, shaking my head.

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>found this one, this is a great example of a protestant church, you can even see some of the local protestants after a mass or a wedding or something

>>128954992
The Peter idolized at the Vatican is Zeus.

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>>128947441

> got the Bible banned in public schools
> Catholics....

>>128955813
1) The language used here is not meant to imply a forensic view of a one time justification. David already was a believer well before this point in time.

2) David, although he was quite clearly a believer who loved God with all his heart, fell out of God's grace by mortal sin. That is why he needs to be forgiven to be put back in God's grace. David's grace-driven repentance puts him back into God's favor.

3) The crediting of righteousness is based not on an acceptance of an alien righteousness. His repentance was needed to get back into God's righteousness. When one is in this state, then one has a Father-Son relationship at the heart of justification. Then, under the auspices of grace, out of love, the Son responds with works of love that is necessary for ultimate justification (Rom. 2:6-13, 6, 8:1-39, Gal. 5-6) and one becomes a doer of the law in the realm of God's grace.

4) The next question that must be faced is when it says that God justifies the ungodly, does it mean that the grounds of one's justification before God is separate from an infusion of grace, as Calvinists maintain.?

>>128947441
The Roman cult has been tearing Christendom apart for over a thousand years. It's time for them to end.

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>>128955433
There will be a crusade.
After the Second American Civil War, and Christ ascends to His rightful throne over the Americas, we will liberate Europe with counterrevolutionary fighters. Check out the Salvadorian Method.

>>128955518
why did what fall

>>128955980
5) Most importantly to the issue that we are addressing, it shows that justification is a process. David we know was justified before 2nd Sam. 11-12. However, his sin made him ungodly, and he had to be fully cleansed. He was out of grace, and the repentance by him showed in Psalm 32/51 had to be done by him in order to get back into God's grace. The fact that this repentance was necessary to get back into God's grace shows that justification is a process, and not a one time thing, so foundational to the theologies of the likes of Calvin, Buchanan, Sproul, and James White. Paul knows these things about David's life before Psalm 32.

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>here we can see the inside of a typical Protestant Church mass and its protestant followers

>>128947835
hispanics... interesting

>>128956060
Why did JESUS church fall

>>128956077
Paul is appropriating the lives of Abraham and David specifically to how we are justified. We can not merely say well that is the Old Testament way of justification, because Paul specifically uses the lives of Abraham and David to show how one is justified today. Justification is a process, not a one-time event. Paul's use of the Old Testament to show how we are saved in the New Covenant, not only does not show the errors of Catholicism, he perfectly shows how it fits the Catholic view, and destroys the Calvinist view of a one time imputation of righteousness.

>>128955818
Now that your supreme court is Catholic do you think it will get better?
I would like to see another Reformation being an atheist, or see team Pagan take a run for the title for awhile, we need a good purging.

>>128956143
It didn't. The Church, the Bride is still being prepared for the wedding feast. Why do you think it fell

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>>128955888
>believing Jack Chick
kys

>>128956336
I don't see anyone being protestant in five solaes in church fathers

>>128956390
Matthew 5:20-22 – One who hates, speaks evil to fellow believers (brother), can get separated from God and sent to hell.

20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven. 21 "You have heard that it was said to the men of old, 'You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.' 22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire.

Sola fide?

>>128956080
In all honesty that is most likely a Catholic Church

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>>128956462
But you're not a fellow believer, you're basically like a mormon or a jehovah's witness.

>>128956462
Matthew 5:29-30 – Talking metaphorically Jesus says if a thing causes you to sin, it is better off to cut off body parts than suffer going to hell.
29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell . 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell .
Matthew 6:13-15 – If we are unforgiving we will lose God’s forgiveness.
13 And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. 14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

>>128956393
I have no idea what you are talking about. Your traditions are your own. The church is bought with a price. Redeemed by the blood of Jesus.

>>128956535
Matthew 5:29-30 – Talking metaphorically Jesus says if a thing causes you to sin, it is better off to cut off body parts than suffer going to hell.
29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell . 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell .
Matthew 6:13-15 – If we are unforgiving we will lose God’s forgiveness.
13 And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil. 14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Sola Fide?

For by Grace are you saved

>>128956621
So where are ecidence of your sect in the first three hundred years of christian?

>>128954849
When is the whore of Babylon destroyed? Not yet. Where else could they hide their plans?

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>>128956747
Faith without works is dead.

>>128956747
Which everyone believe dumbass

The issue is whether salvation is a monergistic one time shit or whether it is a process

And whether osas

>>128947835
>divorce
>highest divorce rates next to baptists
lolk

>>128956778
The just shall live by faith

>>128956607
That guy is crazy

>>128956535
That's a pulpit and he looks like he's preaching which is not what Priest do

>>128956874
Again where?

>>128956782
Protestantism is the Whore

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>>128956778
Protestants usually believe the "real church" lived underground and was persecuted by the evil paganized christians otherwise known as the Catholic Church and basically lived underground for 1,500 years until Martin Luther.

lol

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>>128947441
kkk copied Spanish Catholics

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>here we have a Protestant Priest most likely a Deacon or Pastor

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>>128947441

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mq0Fr1C8k44

>>128956964
Might as well say real christians are mushroom underground cult

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>>128956778
There is one true church, it isn't Catholic or Protestant, it is made of those who have accepted Jesus Christ as their personel savior. Pretty churches wont save anybody,

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I used to be an Evangelical KJV-only Fundamentalist Christian and believe me I was way stronger in my faith than most of you.

But I was curious about the early church, I couldn't believe that the Holy Spirit just "didn't do anything" for 1,500 years...so I started looking into it and what I found scared the life out of me.

All the early Christians, and I mean ALL OF THEM, were basically proto-Catholics. I couldn't for the life of me find one that wasn't espousing some "heresy" that I would normally preach against.

And I realized that if I went back in time and stood with the Christians in the Colloseum with the lions, they'd have asked "why are you with us? You're not a Christian."

And that's when I converted.

Protestanfags btfo itt

>>128956906
The just shall live by faith” (Romans 1:17).

>>128954671
It's one thing to read The Bible and try to genuinely interpret it and follow it (Protestants).

It's another thing to take bribes, protect pedophiles, and ignore The Bible on even the most direct teachings (Catholics).

Even evil people now that are reading this are thinking to themselves, "Wow, the Catholic Church sounds awesome! I should get in on some of that action, hmmm."

>>128957255
And one must eat mushroom to be save

All who ear must hroin are safe

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>>128957404
One verse taken out of context isn't proof of the existence of your sect in the first century. Stop being dense and actually examine your faith for once in your life.

No one during that time thought like you. Not one single person thought like you. Everyone was either a Pagan, an Atheist, or a Catholic. There was no "salvation by faith alone" in 200AD. You need to wake up and wake up quick because there is no salvation outside the one true apostolic Church which JESUS CHRIST (instead of a random guy) founded.

>>128957552
Or better yet, sola ego and theological solipsism

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>>128957272
Welcome home, senpai

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>here we have a small gathering of some
Protestant Lay Leaders before on their sermons

>>128957404
Oop
Matthew 18:28-35 – Unforgiveness for others leads to unforgiveness from God.
28 But that same servant, as he went out, came upon one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and seizing him by the throat he said, 'Pay what you owe.' 29 So his fellow servant fell down and besought him, 'Have patience with me, and I will pay you.' 30 He refused and went and put him in prison till he should pay the debt. 31 When his fellow servants saw what had taken place, they were greatly distressed, and they went and reported to their lord all that had taken place. 32 Then his lord summoned him and said to him, 'You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you besought me; 33 and should not you have had mercy on your fellow servant, as I had mercy on you?' 34 And in anger his lord delivered him to the jailers, till he should pay all his debt. 35 So also my heavenly Father will do to every one of you, if you do not forgive your brother from your heart."

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>>128957255
Said no one until the 19th century.

>>128957552
"Since then these things are manifest to us, and we have looked into the depths of the divine knowledge, we ought to do in order all things which the Master commanded us to perform at appointed times. He commanded us to celebrate sacrifices and services, and that it should not be thoughtlessly or disorderly, but at fixed times and hours. He has Himself fixed by His supreme will the places and persons whom He desires for these celebrations, in order that all things may be done piously according to His good pleasure, and be acceptable to His will. So then those who offer their oblations at the appointed seasons are acceptable and blessed, but they follow the laws of the Master and do not sin. For to the high priest his proper ministrations are allotted, and to the priests the proper place has been appointed, and on Levites their proper services have been imposed. The layman is bound by the ordinances for the laity."

Source: St. Clement, bishop of Rome, 80 A.D., to the Corinthians

"Our sin will not be small if we eject from the episcopate those who blamelessly and holily have offered its Sacrifices."

Source: Letter to the Corinthians, [44,4]


Funny.....

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>>128957696
Good to be home brother. :)

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>>128947441
>White Protestants are the only real Americans

This

>>128957272
for example...you say all and speak of heresies, can you give a couple of the scary things you found. Were you Pentacostal?

>>128958050
>meanwhile jesus and paul say jew and gentile
Funny ISNT it

>>128958085
You cannot speak until you provide evidence for your magic cult of underground

"Consider how contrary to the mind of God are the heterodox in regard to the grace of God which has come to us. They have no regard for charity, none for the widow, the orphan, the oppressed, none for the man in prison, the hungry or the thirsty. They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not admit that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, the flesh which suffered for our sins and which the Father, in His graciousness, raised from the dead."

"Letter to the Smyrnaeans", paragraph 6. circa 80-110 A.D.

"Come together in common, one and all without exception in charity, in one faith and in one Jesus Christ, who is of the race of David according to the flesh, the son of man, and the Son of God, so that with undivided mind you may obey the bishop and the priests, and break one Bread which is the medicine of immortality and the antidote against death, enabling us to live forever in Jesus Christ."

-"Letter to the Ephesians", paragraph 20, c. 80-110 A.D.

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>>128958050
Your rope won't do any good against my AR.

>>128957272
>All the early Christians, and I mean ALL OF THEM, were basically proto-Catholics.
Except Cornelius and Nicodemus perhaps?

>>128957633
Catholics weren't even defined in the early church, have you ever read the Book of Acts?

>>128958085
"This food we call the Eucharist, of which no one is allowed to partake except one who believes that the things we teach are true, and has received the washing for forgiveness of sins and for rebirth, and who lives as Christ handed down to us. For we do not receive these things as common bread or common drink; but as Jesus Christ our Savior being incarnate by God's Word took flesh and blood for our salvation, so also we have been taught that the food consecrated by the Word of prayer which comes from him, from which our flesh and blood are nourished by transformation, is the flesh and blood of that incarnate Jesus."

"First Apology", Ch. 66, inter A.D. 148-155.

"God has therefore announced in advance that all the sacrifices offered in His name, which Jesus Christ offered, that is, in the Eucharist of the Bread and of the Chalice, which are offered by us Christians in every part of the world, are pleasing to Him."

"Dialogue with Trypho", Ch. 117, circa 130-160 A.D.

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachias, one of the twelve, as follows: 'I have no pleasure in you, says the Lord; and I will not accept your sacrifices from your hands; for from the rising of the sun until its setting, my name has been glorified among the gentiles; and in every place incense is offered to my name, and a clean offering: for great is my name among the gentiles, says the Lord; but you profane it.' It is of the sacrifices offered to Him in every place by us, the gentiles, that is, of the Bread of the Eucharist and likewise of the cup of the Eucharist, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it."

-"Dialogue with Trypho", [41: 8-10]

Explain

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>>128954978
lol again, Protestants are not led by a centralized church. We're not really connected with one another the same way Catholics are.

What you're saying is, "Ok. The Vatican may take bribes. Maybe they've protected each other from scandals. Maybe there's a lot of shady things going on, but look at how ridiculous this example of a Protestant church is!"

We don't accept either. We reject both. That's kind of the idea of being a "Protestant." We don't submit to false authority, we call it out and deal with it.

Think of Jesus when he turned over tables in the Temple and beat the money-changers out with a whip. He did not ACCEPT corruption in the church.

>>128958373
Funny the book of acts says

12 And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon’s porch. 13 And of the rest durst no man join himself to them: but the people magnified them. 14 And believers were the more added to the Lord, multitudes both of men and women.) 15 Insomuch that they brought forth the sick into the streets, and laid them on beds and couches, that at the least the shadow of Peter passing by might overshadow some of them. 16 There came also a multitude out of the cities round about unto Jerusalem, bringing sick folks, and them which were vexed with unclean spirits: and they were healed every one.

>>128947742
No Catholic Church, No Bible --- which wasnt even specifically established until like 400 years after the crucifixion. You need tradition too-- not just the book and a man made religion of Protestantism.

>>128958269
No source. Didn't happen.

>>128958433
>not all muslim logic

>>128955206
I don't see a problem with this.

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>>128958085
I'll do you one better: Ask me for a topic and I'll show you what the fathers said about it.

>>128958555
Ergo your beliefs have no basis in early christianity