Muslims finally doing something.

>>128941238
haram == bad

>>128940663
Im sure ISIS is going to stop and say "oh shit guys, some scholars said we can't suicide bomb anymore, I guess that's it then, pack it up boys"

>>128940663
Islamabad .Islam a bad. Yes it is.

>>128941412

For a sect that is literally based on the religious aspect, I believe it should have some impact.

>>128941412
omg buy stock in the IED market!! its going higher lads wewwwwwwwwwwww

are they sunnis?

>>128941357

It means 'forbidden' dumbass.

>>128941238
eating pork is haram
for example

>>128940663
taqiyya

were they religious scholars or religious (((scholars)))?

>>128940663
>Religious scholar's

If it's not in the Quran they don't care.

takkeya

Muslims are getting nervous. NEVER trust a muslim. The ONLY thing a muslim can do, is leave islam. Nothing else is acceptable, because Islam is inherently vile and criminal.

>>128941600
This. If not it has no bearing, not that it would anyways

it doesn't really matter since there's no sense of central authority in sunni islam anyway. every jihadist group is too busy trying to establish its own caliphate to worry about about any particular interpretation of the law, and even besides that, it's more than a religious project, it's a utopian political dream, so the law can always be put aside in favour of the greater vision.

>>128941564
Every sect forbid suicide attacks and ISIS know that but they issue their own fatwas that consider it halal.

But they DON'T declare that your everyday regular Islamic attacks are haram, just 'suicide' attacks.

This is worth nothing to anyone. The fact that religious scholars or leaders even have to do this is proof that Islam is not compatible with the west.

Imagine the Pope and Catholic bishops had to declare a creed that murdering dozens of innocent children at a pop concert was actually forbidden.

Yet this is where we are in 2017 with respect to Islam.

>>128941600
>from all school thoughts
And from their attire and the fact that it's in Pakistan I presume they are a mix of Sunnis and Shias

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>>128940663
No one gives a shit what Pakis have to say. Not even Pakis go to Paki imams. They rather suck Wahhabi dick.

>>128941840
Taqiya is a Shia thing. Why does /pol/ cling to it? It makes you look ignorant.

>>128942293
R A R E
A
R
E

>>128940663
> THEY CAN DO THAT??? well maybe they really DO want to be friends, golly gee

>>128942256
Schools of thought*

>>128940663
taqiyya

This won't do anything and terrorist attacks aren't the main problem with Islam anyway. The real problem is Muslim communities setting up their own state outside the law within host countries, slowly poisoning it from the inside out.

>>128942293
70% of paki Muslims are inbred. They're literally degenerate in the most objective and scientific sense possible. Up to 40 generations born of incest in some family lines. Fucking disgusting

>>128941694
/thread

>>128942293
that'd make a damn good band nam-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY69NAKD05A

shit

>>128940663
>religion is so shit tier you need to get a group of clerics together to finally say "ok suicide bombing isn't good, fellas"
>it won't be followed

>>128942368

The concept is universal even if you don't use the exact word.

>>128940663
Taqiyya

Suicide attacks have always been Haram, but it is always nullified by the purpose if Jihad

>>128942651
hahaha <3 bois do cry

>>128942368
>those other muslims are the one's who are ok with lying
>you can trust me, goy

Sounds exactly like something a muslim would say

>>128942368
Taqiyya is also permitted in sunni Islam in certain circumstances. Also kitman.

Your post is literally taqiyya

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>>128940663
>What do you make of this /pol/?
talk is cheap, let's see what they're gonna do next.

We are getting to a point where people are going to realize that Islam is not compatible with the 21st century.

And then they will be in serious trouble because they will get an actual race/religious war to end all wars

The dumb white man is finally waking up from his ignorance. But its going to take a lot more #prayforfaggotcity and dead

>>128941891
This bong is right. These "scholars" know it, and will say anything to appease the public. The public will believe the lie that Islam is a religion of peace, the lie that jihadists are "Not true Muslims"

Remember, there's a reason jihadists are referred to as "radicals"

"Radical" means "root" or "the fundamental nature of"

Fundamentalists, If you will. They follow their religious law more closely than the scholars.

>>128942892

Takes more pain and/or gain. If there isn't a lot of pain being had or a really big gain, they won't do anything about it, that is the general way all things go.

>>128942368
>Taqiya is a Shia thing. Why does /pol/ cling to it? It makes you look ignorant.

takkeya takkeya takkeya. You won't tell me what to say, muzzie scum. Muslims use deception. I choose to use the word takkeya because everyone knows what I mean.

>>128943209
Muslims use deception just like the Jews

Only Christ contains the truth

>>128940663
So its just haram to KYS int he process of murdering innocent little children not actually killing the innocent. What impressive high standing moral they have.

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>>128942882
>let's see what they're gonna do next.
Careful what you wish for.

>>128942796
Kek, can't argue with that
But really I left Sunni Islam and have never heard the term taqiya until I started living around Shias.

>>128943329
Ayyy

>>128940663
Pretty good, senpai.

>>128943329
No one is deceiving you, Nasrani. You're just being an assfaggot.

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>>128943398
>Careful what you wish for.
: ^)

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>>128940663
Wow! I want some rum with this taqiyya.

Yeah cause the extremists that take every word of their book literally are sure gonna give a shit about a new age interpretation of it.

>>128942368
>americans
>being ignorant of other cultures

hmm you dont say

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>>128942368
>Sunnis don't even try to justify their filthy lies.

>>128943672
Fuck off kike

but wouldnt liberals be right then and all the muslims that do suicide themselves make them not real muslims?

>>128941564
But ISIS will claim them as 'false muslims' and the only way of Allah is their own way.

>>128940663
Wait they only decide NOW that suicide attacks are bad?
Just how retarded are muslims?

>>128943783
Muslims who follow these fatwas are not real Muslims, they are hypocrites and should leave Islam if they were not intellectually dishonest.

>>128940663
>Takiyya is defined as dissimulation about ones Muslim identity.
>Tawriya is defined as concealing, and it could be called “creative lying”.
>Kitman is characterized by someone telling only part of the truth. The most common example of this is when a Muslim says that jihad really refers to an internal, spiritual struggle.
>Muruna means using “flexibility” to blend in with the enemy or the surroundings.

Important words to know

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They don't want any interruption of the immigrant invasion, as they can see that right now, populations are about to revolt over the continuous policy of their governments doubling down on the stupidity of getting their people killed.

They'll un-fatwa it soon enough.

>>128943329
Hallelujah

That Muslims just added some more Religious scholars to their religious scholars who need to be killed list

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>>128943329
Amen and Hallelujah brother. Praise be to the Lord God

>>128940663
Can't hurt.

>>128941511
wow i've never seen that one before, nice one

>>128941694
Only used by shiites (miniority of muslims)
Also

Taqiyya means I can lie about whether I am a muslim or not in case i am at gun point.

Now fuck off somewhere else with this meme and be a good goy or ((()))

Does it really matter? ISIS and other extremists will just mark them as heretics.

>>128940663
>implying this will do anything
when they do it they go to heaven and everyone they love goes to heaven in their minds, it isn't going to stop.

>>128941840
This. They are in damage control because they know people are sick of their shit and are turning against immigration.

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>>128940663

>>128944456
takkeya means deception. shia may have had to use it more in the past, because the were a minority in the muslim world. Now all muslims must use deception because they are weak and the infidels are powerful, and they are trying to take over via mass immigration.

>noble muhajeddiiiin dont kill yourself, for you are thinning he ranks of the swords of Allah

Rly nogs my jogs

>>128944838
>you can never satisfy the kuffar
like pottery

>>128941694
Did think of that. Thanks Abdul.

Is this their version of virtue signaling? "Oy vey, do not kill yourself! See we are fighting the menace!"

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>>128940663
you have to die for allah but not for jesus

>>128940663
Taqiya

Seriously though... isn't the entire point of Islam that it is the final word and there CAN be no reformation?

Destroying the religious aspects of Judaism was easy. They know that they can really only survive as a mostly secular sorta ethnic culture. The vast majority of people I know who identify as Jews put in absolutely zero religious commitment.

Christianity was easy to kill because it keeps making corrections to keep up with social progress. Any time a race, orientation, etc. becomes too mainstream they adopt it into their practices in order to save face.

But with Islam, any attempt to fix it would be inherently anti islamic and I don't imagine we'll be seeing tons of dudes and chicks walking around as westernized Americans and still calling themselves muslim.

The only choice is to either become an apostate or to stay and get the fuck bombed out of you. Islam is exactly where it wants to be.

>>128940663
Words are weak, actions are not. Ink on a page can only go so far. Taking personal responsibility for your comrads' and your own actions, as well as standing up for your values and protecting community and it's well-being is the true redpill.

>>128941511
Try harder

Took them long enough to TRY to do something.

Too bad Islam and Muslims are like crying babes incapable of rational thought and behavior.

>this room of Muslims flapping their mouths will stop psychopathic murderers killing lots of people

>>128941357
I think you meant:
muslim == bad

The more muslims ISIS kill the better. It will make them realise the cancer that is growing among them an hopefully make some big changes to their death cult.

>>128944809
Literally a concept I had to look up because someone here spouted it at my face a couple of years back.
it's zionist propoganda to think we are all immoral liars who just want to decieve infidels. The point is of islam is that one believes it is the truth, therefore one wants as many as possible to join islam since it will grant you passage to heaven. (MUCH LIKE FUCKING CHRISTIANITY). I.e, the intention is not shit. however. jews don't want you to go to heaven, they want everyone to be good goys and slaves of the jewish people. Taqiyya has never been taught in any fucking mosque I've ever been to and I have not been taught by my strict muslim parents. I asked my mother and she told me that it wasn't a sin to say I was not a muslim in case I was being held at gun point i.e in face of persecution.

Are you retarded? It's a "rule" to protect your fellow muslims, not to fucking lie to infidels 24/7.

It is a duty as a muslim to be a good human being as best as one can be. Or are you retarded enough to believe we are a single hivemind that just wants to control every nonbeliever and deceive them like hmm.. Does that ring a bell goy?

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I don't think they give a shit

>hurr durr taqiyya this taqiyya that

And do not mix the truth with falsehood or conceal the truth while you know [it]." [Quran 2:42].

Quran 60:8] God does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. God loves the equitable.

[Quran 60:9] God enjoins you only from befriending those who fight you because of religion, evict you from your homes, and band together with others to banish you. You shall not befriend them. Those who befriend them are the transgressors.

[Quran 8:61] If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in God. He is the Hearer, the Omniscient

>>128946351
>>128946174
Then explain why all the syrian rebels,kurds,hezbollah,iraqi millitia,assad's army are fighting ISIS

>>128946837

>holy war against holy war
>this sunday sunday sunday
>it will be decided

>>128946602
Moderates protect extremists you fucking moderate.

>>128947322
See post above from my muslim brother
>>128947322
Also, fuck you and fuck ISIS and don't affiliate me with them. why would I ever condone attacks on EU soil of poor innocent people. Are you retarded?

ISIS is against EVERYONE. ISIS has no allies. No one supports them officially. The common people do not support them at all. some syrians support them because of bandwagoning (read realist thinking on international politics). I.e some people support ISIS because they are in the sphere of influence of ISIS. Any rational muslim would never buy ISIS's garbage that they are spewing. EVEN EVEN HYPOTHETICALLY, EVEN IF WE ASSUME YOU'RE RIGHT. That islam is one big HATE MONGERING HIVEMIND, why would we EVER consider waging a war we would undeniably lose? Was salahudiin a retard? Or are you an american jew or just a really good goy?

>>128948293
I don't understand how a people who hate jews so much fell for the oldest jewish trick with ISIS

>>128948293
>>128946602
>>128944456


This is some mighty fine taqiyya.

Good job Muhammad.

Multiple public Muslim speakers/apologists have been found to say one thing to the "infidel" audience and another to their Muslim brothers. Tariq Ramadan for example.

Now stop taqiyyaing and go fuck a goat or or your first cousin or something.

>>128948964
>everything i dont want to hear is a taqiyya

You sound like a wahabi/salafi scum who calls everyone who doesnt agree with him a kaffir

>>128948293
Its almost like other Muslims are a big enough reason to not be Muslim.

>any rational muslim
>rational muslim

>One big hate mongering hivemind
That's what the book is for.

>Consider waging a war we would undeniably lose?
>What is martyrdom

Just an American.

>>128940663
HOLY SHIT

THE FUCKING BEARDSKINS FINALLY DID A LITTLE BIT OF SOMETHING AFTER BLOWING UP A BUNCH OF DEGENERATE LITTLR GIRLS

PRAISE JESUS

>>128941564
right but that isn't the point

this is for those muslims on the fence
between radical ideals and the moderate groups

that majority that doesn't know if they should support western civilization or be trying to tear it down

these are the people that they will listen to these are the mainstream religious figures

Islam is going to have to figure out its inner turmoil itself and we can't really help it
this is a step in the right direction

>>128948528
because they are dumb and desperate
>>128948964
Oh you mean they lie to different demographics like.. hmm.. politicians?
these public speakers are retarded because they want to please every side of the spectrum. Not because they are being dutiful muslims by applying taqqiya.

Go stab some muslim in London britbong and fuck off and be a good goy. Maybe May will let you suck her feet.

>>128940663
It's a start, but nothing will be accomplished until they start turning on their own, which they've refused to do.

>>128947311
>Then explain why all the syrian rebels,kurds,hezbollah,iraqi millitia,assad's army are fighting ISIS
Because ISIS is taking shit over. Its not a matter of ideological opposition except in Hezzbolah and some Kurd's case, its political.

>>128943866
To, kurwa

>>128943866
Wtf this sounds a lot like communism is communism wrong?

>>128949355
>0,001% of the entire populus of your religion has a group called isis that abuse Qoran to rape kids and kill civilians
>yes yes.. I should apostate, I will please my european masters.

Why didn't I apostate when that faggot from Al-Qaeda made a fatwa that legalized attacks on US soil? Maybe because I'm not retarded. You sound like a white girl that identifys as black after she read about a hate crime in alabama.

ok

>>128948293
>The common people do not support them at all.
20-25% of Young muslims in Europe will flat out say they support them. Significantly higher proportions of all Muslims agree with all of their practices. Whether that's because they're legitimately assholes or so stupid as to not realize what those practices taken together result in is maybe debatable.

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They should just declare Islam haram, bunch of exploding inbreds,

>>128949693

How old was Aisha when Muhammad married her?

6 years old.

How old when their marriage was consummated?

9 years old.

You worship a paedophile. I guess that's what 1400 of first cousin marriages does to your IQ.

>>128949809
How is it not ideological if all major sects are attacking wahabists

>>128943329
Christianity wouldn't exist if not for Jews. Might want to reactivate your almonds and read history you ignorant cuck

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>>128950522

>>128945799
>Seriously though... isn't the entire point of Islam that it is the final word and there CAN be no reformation?
Yes. But what about the stuff Muhammed didn't talk about? Muhammed never talked about suicide bombing, how are Muslims to know? Hence, he put in the clause that learned Muslims can decide these matters for themselves.

And that's where it goes from zero to stupid very quickly.

>>128940663

I guess the Saudis are serious.

>>128941412
/thread

>>128940663
It took the brain trust this long to say it's bad? Tensions are extremely high between Saudi Arabia, and Iran. At this point it seems like disingenuous lip service in an attempt to salvage some support from western nations.

Sunni Islam is like orthodoxy. Each country has dozens of its own scholars who don't even all agree with each other all the time. It's meaningless.

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>>128941564
>bluepilled nonsense
>reddit space
>>>/back/

>>128943411

>Left Sunni Islam

So how long until you're stoned to death in the street for being apostate?

>>128940663
You know this might work if their book only existed in a dead language where the scholars were the only source of holy decrees. Also from all schools of thought? Seems like fake news, unless even the self declared scholars on the side of ISIS even agreed on the Fatwa.

>>128940663
>you are company property
>ywn (((correctly))) decide what is worth dying for
>that is the job of the ruling class
>now shut up and gibs me dat cheap labor

>>128941511
Nice.
>>128940663
>>128941564
Implying they don't already consider those scholars to be in the service of infidel leaders. IS won't listen to a bunch of Pakis.

>>128940663
You can't trust anything muslims do. Taqiyaaaaa!

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>>128940663
>Trump calls ISIS 'evil losers'
>Gets denounced by some islamic scholars
Is this Trump's secret plan coming to fruition?

>>128942368
>This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion.[3][8] However, it is also permitted in Sunni Islam under certain circumstances.[9][10]

It can be Sunni thing also. Who's the ignorant now?

>>128940663
Muds are scared. With the shenanigans their degenerate brethren are committing in the West, it's making the West want to destroy the Middle East (Mud bastion) with all this (often violent) regime changes, hundreds of thousands of Muds and their countries being bombed to smithereens, and open display of hatred of anything Islime/Mud all over the world, they have to change.

Maybe if we push them further, to the point that they're afraid of committing acts of violence in the name of Islime and even for the defense of their faith (like how Christians eventually "turned the other cheek"), maybe Islime could truly become a religion of peace. For that to happen, hundreds of millions of them must die, in the most hatefully violent and cruel way possible. It's the kind of hate and violence that will cultivate fear. Fear of resisting. Fear of fighting back. Fear of doing anything that will piss off any non-Mud, like conversion (forced or through deception). It is this fear that will break them. Break their will and their faith.

People focus too much on terrorist attacks. They're terrible but minor for the most part. The real danger is much simpler and more insidious. The more Muslims you have in your country, the more your country will become like other Muslim countries. These changes will start slow but accelerate rapidly. If you want to use that Skittles analogy, rather than saying how a few of them will kill you, it's more important to focus on how the majority of them taste like shit and cause long term health problems (moreso than regular Skittles, food analogies are shit).

>>128942368
Because most people here are pro Israel underaged redditors. The Talmund show actual deception yet these redditors ignore it.

Sanhedrin 59a

"To communicate anything to a Goy about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the Goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly."

Libbre David 37

"A Jew should and must make a false oath when the Goyim asks if our books contain anything against them."

>>128951601
Read the previous posts about taqiyya and sunnism and shut the fuck up.

>>128942833
>>128942796

Do you underage redditors even know what taqiyya is?

>This practice is emphasized in Shia Islam whereby adherents are permitted to conceal their religion when under threat of persecution or compulsion

It's literally just saying that you can lie about your religion to avoid getting killed, it's not even an ounce as nefarious as the Jewish version.

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>>128944144
The digits are sure. Clearly Muslims cannot be trusted.

>>128952212
fuck you nigger

>>128941610
Not necessarily. That's the exact translation. But you can use it to refer to something negative, just like you use halal to refer to something positive.

>>128940663
Can they issue a fatwa on taqiyya and declare that haram?

>>128950522
why did yoy reply to my post when you completely ignored the contents of it and just started with this meme shit?
Weren't alot of your queens married away at age of 7-8 in bongo land? Or do you not understand what cultural and historical context is?
Or that Aisha had her period at 9, meaning it was okay for them to consummate

>>128941694
I almost want to learn their gutteral gibberish so I can hear what they really say away from the non-believers in the mosques

>>128952269
what you read in wikipedia, is not the whole truth about anything though.

>>128952593
that would be multidimensional taqiyya.

>>128940663
wtf, I hate Islamophobia now

>>128944144
Interesting. I was reading about this guy last night
http://www.alternet.org/grayzone-project/self-invention-maajid-nawaz-fact-and-fiction-life-counter-terror-celebrity

Is this a similar situation?

>>128952610
>Aisha had her period at 9, meaning it was okay for them to consummate


AAANNDDD there we have it.

This Muslim thinks you can fuck children if they've had their period.

Takes a bit of poking but eventually they reveal all of the backwards shit they believe.

Next up :

In a perfect Islamic caliphate as called for by Muhammad, would you support the stoning to death of Apostates?

If "yes", fuck off you taqiyya muslim scum

If "no" you aren't following Muhammads example (the perfect Muslim).

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wtf, I hate jihad now

>>128942368
It's just the local JIDF division operating on /pol/, they started spamming taquiyya infographics after realizing the exposition of their own version of taquiyya was being bastardized and spammed by stormers.

>>128953226
No. I am trying to explain the context behind the ages.
Nice ignoring the thing about your queens. It's like you're just ignoring this was a thing all around the fucking globe you fucking moron.

I do not live in a sharia state, therefore I cannot condone sharia laws.

In practical sense, "Perfect islamic caliphate" this rule would just mean that apostates will not tell others that they are apostates. i.e go around and advertise their apostasy.

Also, why do you fucking care? You're not a muslim to begin with.

>>128940663
Tacoyeah

>>128952269
>I read it on wikipedia, it must be true!

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>>128952212
>>128952269

hey goatfuckers, do you understand that the fact that there even exists a concept about purposefully lying to infidels, immediately calls into question any explanation given by a Muslim about taqiyya? We can't trust your "lolol dont worry guys its only Shia :)))"

http://raymondibrahim.com/2014/04/12/taqiyya-about-taqiyya/

>>128954539

I'll address the King and Queen thing.

1.3 billion Brits do not worship our dead kings/queens. We do not pray 5 times a day for them. We do not base our lives around imitating their perfection. We would not hesitate to call them paedophiles if asked. We would not hesitate to say that their paedophilia was bad and they were wrong and disgusting.


How the fuck could you not figure that one out? I ignored it because it was a stupid fucking point.

>>128952269
>Do you underage redditors even know what taqiyya is?

Fuck off you piece of pig shit.

Taqiyya, Tawriya, Kitman, Muruna, and irdritar.

>>128955109
>http://raymondibrahim.com/2014/04/12/taqiyya-about-taqiyya/
hahahahaahah


"aqiyya is of fundamental importance in Islam. Practically every Islamic sect agrees to it and practices it … We can go so far as to say that the practice of taqiyya is mainstream in Islam, and that those few sects not practicing it diverge from the mainstream"

"stand with Izra"
guy's last name is Levant
entire website is jewish.

nice source boiz
I guess there's no point in trying to explain anything anymore with you burger.

>>128940663
so non-suicide jihad attacks are hallal

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>>128944456

>>128955384
But YOU DO worship the queen?

Why haven't people talked about this before? Oh.. because it was normative behaviour.

Also, you don't know what pedophilia is. Look up the medical term before you spout nonsense britbong.

>>128942454
AS FUCK
S

F
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C
K

>>128941357
Haram means forbidden but when pronounced Har Ram it means fell bad for watch how the fucker pronounce the word

>>128945054
What is the difference between Haram forbidden hand the way they express remorse for someone in Arabic?

>>128943536
saud posters have been nothing but top tier recently

>>128956051
NO.... NOOO!!! YOU GOT ME! YOU BESTED ME. I WAS USING TAQQIYA ALL THIS TIME TO DEFEAT YOU OVER THE INTERNET ANONYMOUSLY!

Surely I have been bested by you noble crusaders. I forfeit. You may bomb my countries and spout words of hatred wherever you see us. I will now leave this thread in shame and commit soduku.

>>128956542
you have to go back to africa shitskin
this is not your country

>>128940663
to little to late

kill all Muslims

>>128956680
Stop being so assblasted because le cunt didn't win the election. Thank fuck I don't live in France. Disgusting country. Women have armpit hair waving around in the streets you can smell it all the time the disgusting fragrance of baguette and frogs.

>>128946602
>we
>denmark
you have to go back

>>128946602
>to think we are all immoral liars who just want to decieve infidels
you are