Jordan Peterson thread

>>128891124
Canada made laws that punish misgendering kids yesterday. Looks like he lost, lol

>>128891124
my poison at the moment is regret and shame, btw

>>128891684

sweden pls stop being a cuck for once.

BUCKO

>>128892166
nice digits
also i agree

>>128891124
*You get to choose which price, gold or iron.

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>>128891124

So is he a scammer or will he actually reinvent the humanities?

>>128892556
was

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Third lecture of Bible series was released recently. Good stuff.

>>128892638
He wants to stop funding gender studies, not reinvent the humanities.

>>128892638
Listen to him speak. He's Christian and anti communist, he's /pol/'s wet dream.

>>128892804

he has told his patrons that he will use his extreme amount of income now to make a new type of digital university, teach people to write and such

>>128892556
He's a guy who says what his audience wants to hear, is not a scammer just a good speaker.

>>128892804
That's rather oppressive.

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>>128892804
your information is outdated, bucko

>>128892804
No Ahmed, he said in a recent Q & A that he wanted to use his Patreon gibs to make the humanities available to all on-line.

>>128893015
wrong post texas

>>128892970
This isn't a reinvention.
>>128893086
Indeed, he's a monster
>>128893111
>lazy post
>>128893120
Not a new invention. The English really need to teach you a thing or two.

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Is this fag's /pol/'s only exposure to philosophy and dialectic? Can't explain his cocksucking here in any other way

My advice to you fags: start with the pre-Socratics and then go to Greeks

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>>128893308
Shit, I think you genuinely may be a shitskin.

>>128893309
>start with the pre-Socratics and then go to Greeks
implying the pre-Socratics are not Greeks

There's not so much value in the pre-Socratics. Panta rhei, yeah, everything is atoms, everything is water/fire. Great. Nothing about ethics, nothing about what society should look like, unless you count Pythagoras and his cult. It all takes off with Socrates. Stoics are interesting next.

>>128893308
accredited humanity education of good quality online, not bogged down by SJWs is a pretty good reinvention of humanities I think. Because right now it's crappy, offline, and swarming with cucks.

>>128891124
What does Jordan mean by that statement? What prices?

>>128893908

thread theme

>>128893130
Kek meant to

>>128892638

Here's a recent mixtape that he dropped: https://a.vidga.me/rniigw.mp3

>>128892556
My price is lead.

The last sane canadian.

>>128894052

life is suffering, might as well drink poison like socrates.

>>128892638
is that a dolan pepe?

>>128894462
Life is strife. It's overcoming obstacles.
Jordan's opinion that life is suffering is retarded.
He's just giving the SJWs fodder to continue being victims, instead of building confidence.

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does anyone else think Jordan Peterson might be Milo's biological father?


>>128894771
3deep6me

>>128894771
Because you think suffering is a negative act of the universe.It is not.

>>128895244
Is too.

>>128891124
here is the origin of this quote btw
https://youtu.be/KMj9wsrPE5U?t=130

>>128894771

he is saying what you are saying. i was just joking and you fell for it. you are wrong about the life is suffering part though, your only refutal is "retarded" ?

I love how Jordan Pertershit never recovered from being BTFO by powerful Sam Harris on their last podcast discussion

Fuck Jordan Pertershit is an intellectual hack that tries to justify being a religious nut job in the 21st century

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_LgwFz1wUE

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>>128895648
>I love how Jordan Pertershit never recovered from being BTFO by powerful Sam Harris on their last podcast discussion
>I love how Jordan Pertershit never recovered
>patreon donations show steady climb https://graphtreon.com/creator/jordanbpeterson
>never recovered

>>128892847
At least 80% of /pol/friends are not christian.

Talking about being atheist feels like talking about how you're not a stamp collector, so you don't hear about it a lot.

>>128895377
>your only refutal is "retarded" ?
>can't finish reading a post

>>128895648
Those podcasts were wack they could never meet on terminology I'd call it a draw

>>128897093

you move onto something else after that. why is "life is suffering" a wrong conclusion? because it is "retarded" ? you dont say anything else about it

>>128897273
I wrote:
>He's [Jordan B Peterson] just giving the SJWs fodder to continue being victims, instead of building confidence.

Someone who suffers is a victim and a victim usually stays a victim. Someone who faces strife will work to solve the problem.

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>>128892804

>>128894052
Peterson talks about this concept a lot. He talks about how you can choose to be a hedonist and view life as meaningless and so then you don't really have any responsibility and so if you can just consistently find pleasure you're ok. But the price you pay is that your life is meaningless and when you die you've basically wasted it.

Or you can choose to view life as having meaning but then that carries a very heavy weight to every action you take, because every action you take affects not just your life which is meaningful but the life of everybody around you. And so literally every decision you make tilts the world a little bit more towards paradise or a little bit more towards plunging into the abyss. And so you can live a meaningful life and you can help others find greater meaning in their lives but when you fail, it's completely horrible, because not only do you experience the pain of that failure but so does literally everyone around you as the failure of what could have been reverberates out throughout eternity.

>>128894052
>>128894771
Not really, it's a statement for taking action in the face of adversity actually. That specific statement is about descending into the undeworld while going after Tiamat, the dragon of chaos (a mythological metaphor for anomalies and problems in your life), slaying him and getting the gold he hides in his lair. Basically, you can't choose to not face the dragon of chaos: you can either go, chase him and face him voluntarily, or ignore him until he decides to come to you.
Either way, you'll have to face him and fight him, and you'll lose something on the way - you'll pay a price either way. However, if you choose to face him voluntarily, you'll perhaps face him before he is big and mighty, so the price you pay will most likely be smaller.
Watch maps of meaning to get a better understanding, he finished the series for 2017 a couple of weeks ago.

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>>128897733

Guys my room is looking pretty dirty, what should I do?

>>128897733

that don't refute the claim. it only says some potential negative consequences. The claim is supported by many religions it is the core of Buddhism for example

>>128898112
>>128898269
you're both right
life is also a dragon of chaos

>>128898112
>finding pleasure consistently is wasteful

I don't agree it is wasteful, just not that meaningful.

Waste=/=meaning

Some people just want to do drugs and whore around. So long as they pay the bills other creative people can live their meaningful ways. Is that wrong? I don't think so and I don't think Jordan thinks so either.

>>128898269
Going after Chaos or Tiamat is strife, not suffering. You can't help your suffering, but you can overcome your strife.

>>128898438
go to pub before isis destroys it or sharia shuts it down

>>128897239
Peterson was eager to be understood by someone who was eager to create space enough between them to appear contrary.

Harris embarrasses himself as an intellectual of good faith inquiry in these interviews. The only thing Peterson fails at is coming across in tidy little bumperstickers and easily digested memes for the cool kids. He commits the unforgivable millennial sin of effortposting, and so fails to acquit himself to their satisfaction.

>>128898504
>it only says some potential negative consequences.

So you're really and begrudgingly capitulating the point.

>>128892166
Sverige is lost bror

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discord/YWWn3bN

come on bois

>>128898912

"life is suffering" means that the only meaning you can prove is the meaning of pain. you cant argue your way out from pain. how is that not correct. you mean you can prove that there exist other intrinsic values in life?

>>128899052

sadly yes

>>128897239
>>128898868
Jordan sees the world that we can make conscious decisions, in spite of personal psychological trauma, e.i "chemical brain imbalances".

Harris has said we're all victims of our brain chemistry. So you can't really fault anyone was the impression I got from Harris.

>>128899343
You can argue the way you perceive pain. You can make pain directional, as in calling it strife and working passed it. Calling it suffering is just retarded since you will emerge yourself in the chaos instead of learning to work with it.

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>>128898566
Fuck off, potato.

>>128899825

no i can torture you to tell me its real. your "intellect and rhetoric" wont save you when you experience something as real as pain is.

>>128900177
That torture doesn't have to make me feel anything negative, tho. This is what I mean by strife making a better description than just suffering.

>>128894052
In economic terms you could say he's referencing say social capital expenditure and risk premium vs opportunity cost.

Everything ultimately breaks down into time costs in accounting. Its our true medium. Socially your capital medium is perhaps attention.

The human mind is pretty good at giving attention to things over time. If you've taken the time to attend to some mystery of the universe but keep that knowledge to yourself and never do anything you've invested time and attention and purpose into something and wasted it. And instead of talking about the interesting things you've worked on you talk about things you don't know all that much about or make small talk. You compound the problem. People know you're bullshitting or halfhearted or toeing the line. They know you've wasted your time and further theirs. As such they will want less and less to do with you b/c you will waste their resources as well.

Everything you do involves the sacrifice of all the other things you could be doing.
When you jack off you could be working out
when you watch reality tv you could be reading a book.
When you fuck the ugly girls you could have been working on the pretty ones, but now that you've fucked the ugly ones the pretty ones know that you're not worth their time.

>>128900657
I don't think many people have that much choice in their day to day lives. It's all about upbringing and personality.

Nerds will be nerds and so on.

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>>128901231
Untrue. This is the fatalism at the core of postmodernism.

If a nerd does MMA and plays d&d he is a Fighter and a Nerd. We all have things we enjoy, and will prefer those. However the meaningful things we do always have an adaption period wherein their efforts seem futile. You can be as multifaceted or one dimensional as you want to be.

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>>128898566
CLEAN YOUR ROOM!

>>128903087
>>128901231

Exactly - the reality is that your average person wields HUGE influence over their life and it's outcome. But personal responsibility is a hard philosophy to push because businesses are against it, leftists are against it, and your average person prefers to blame his problems on things outside his control.

>>128901231
Habit building is pretty powerful though

>>128895648
Well you should listen to their second one cause things went a lot differently

>>128903087
>You can be as multifaceted or one dimensional as you want to be.

I would argue that this is true to the extent (benign to extreme) that one is both brought up, as well as to the extent that one is born with the mental capabilities to be (productively) aware, active, and creative.

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>>128891684
He's just cleaning up rooms. Im sure the environment he makes up for himself, the people who he surrounds himself with, are up to the needs of those who are living in the pursuit of truth

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[violent redpill swallowing intensifies

>>128897733
Peterson literally addresses exactly this. He suggests suffering is unavoidable, which is a fact. He then goes on to suggest choosing to take responsibility for alleviating suffering around you, or facing that challenge, is the way to transcend that suffering.

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>>128904727
good lord the way she looks at him

>>128893309
>Pre-socratics
>not greek
>maltese intellectuals

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>mfw reading through the alchemy part of maps of meaning

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>>128904374
The incidence of such cases is beyond rarefied.

I know plenty of people rocks for brains who know it and made millions.

Excuses are just that excuses.

I'd like you to direct that question to Stephen Hawking, Temple Grandin, Hellen Keller.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJx5zMGos44

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWePrOuSeSY&index=2&list=PLlkHRS066h1_AekctS-hRcixIgnnqO0qU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gv1uLfF35Uw

He's great very inspiring for disenfranchised millennial males. But is going over the top with it, he's starting to sell t-shirts with memes on them. And he seems like a one trick poney: muh bloody French postmodernist, muh Gulag, muh snake and apple. Jesus Christ western culture is so much more than that, but hey he's from Canada can't blame him.

>>128904727
>>128906968
You do know that she is his graduate student? Look up Lauren Southern's interview with Dr. Peterson. I swear I have never seen such an attractive poo.

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>mfw I cleaned my room because of him

So, this is the power of Jordan Peterson...

Which video of his does he say "bucko" in? I haven't seen it yet.

>>128891124
I would like to read, see, and hear some classic Jordan Peterson topics or ideas. I have only seen the memes. Where should I start to sort myself out?

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>>128891124
What optimistic quotes, that depression he has sometimes really shines through

>>128910078
Just watch all the little clips until you find a theme you like. He's so high energy you can't stop watching him.

>>128910078
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X88pcqzt8lo

I took Peterson's psych class, and he was one of the most enlightening professors I've had who wasn't afraid to tell things like they are. Glad to see he's still an advocate for free speech and information.

Absolutely admire the guy - not as scientist [couldn't judge his papers anyway, I'm not a psychiatrist/-chologist] but definitely as advocator of open discourse.
And despite him being more of a classic liberal - and whether one agrees with that point of view or not - his lectures as well as the advice he gives, are great.

>>128891124
This guy makes my choice of enrolling in to med school not so tormenting. I might be lonely, sad and have tight time constrains but that is the price to pay for eudaimonia.

>>128892638
Scammers don't put out the kind of content he does and lay out the kind of plans he does. His anti-sjw stuff is too low brow but his psychology and religion stuff seems good.

>>128898566
tl;dr

This guy has pretty much brought me full circle. I ended up completely loathing people like Carls and rejecting to more emperical ideologies like radical behaviorism via B.F. Skinner and he has brought me back around to Jung and unconciousness making me more eclectic.

>>128897935
he would look like a god in a proper black uniform

>>128891124
sigmund freud was one of the worst human beings in the history of civilization and I'm getting kind of suspicious about jordan peterson because he holds freud in high regard

freud preyed on his patient's souls like a serial killer preys on bodies

>>128918382
I think he looks more at there theories at the time and what they meant more than applying principals of their life or looking solely at the final merits of what are left after their primary theories have been discarded. He's much more Jungian than Freudian anyways.

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>>128891124
>KEK Boys
>seek your 4chan

Sort yourself out OP

>>128898566
> 66

I pity the person who made this one

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>>128918382
why do you say such things? He had a tremendous body of work, trouncing all of successors combined. People told him things, secret things.
Certainly, one could say, as a product of the times, he was ill equipped to create robust frameworks, however he was the best equipped man at the time and he glimpsed through the keyhole into the madness of man's mind. Perhaps the knowledge changed him, perhaps men were different then and his cohort is different from ours, for the simple fact that he changed our understanding of ourselves fundamentally. Take the flat earthers, universally derided today. Freud's subconscious is universal today. I do not think any one denies it. And in a limited sense in order to prove the existence of such a phenomena, he needed to use a visceral universal drive to prove it to himself and others that he was correct. Regardless his body of work and the approximations within give us far more data than his own analysis can give.

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>>128892788
Creating OC is my first step towards sorting myself out. I'm getting myself a hobby.

>>128906726
exactly, that's just what the quote in the OP says

>>128910078
the Joe Rogan podcasts with him are a good place to start

>>128921905
nice

Am i too dumb /pol/? I listen to him talk and lose track after a minute of listening. Maybe he is "to intelligent" for me

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I really want to purchase a billboard advertisement for his Self Authoring program, but I don't have the cash yet and I don't know if I'd need his permission. I definitely want to use his likeness.

The more people sort themselves out, the better.

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>>128923184
I've seen Rogans they're a nice summary, from there I decided I should listen more and am halfway through psychology course. He has some interesting theories and novel explanations but is still a little cucked as far as woman goes.

THIS IS JUST ABZURD

>>128918697
that's the hardest I've laughed at something in awhile

Just skip the first Sam Harris its mostly mental masturbation by smart people on semantics.
Fun for anyone familiar with source materials but you need to graduate /lit/ philosophy to jerk off with them.

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>>128896045
The obvious troll is obvious. Not only did you not watch watch his "last podcast discussion", but your interpretation of the first one comes from some alternate dimension. He's been on Waking Up with Sam Harris two times now. No one's been BTFO.

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>>128892556
ill pay the iron price

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>>128891124
OC

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>DUDE CLEAN YOUR ROOM LMAO
>$44k a month from Patreon

This dude is raking in 530k a year from you gullible idiots. And that's just his Patreon bucks, never mind the salary he pulls from his day job.

what did he mean by this?
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/872520672920076290

>>128933829

Yeah.. that's what happens when people have something good to say. It's capitalism at work and he deserves every penny that somebody made the decision to hand over willingly. We don't care if he gets money doing this, he deserves ALL of it. Our way to fund people we enjoy has reached an all time high in my opinion. It is still mediated by a website and I don't know what cut they take, but it's better than getting book sales.

I've seen this argument pop up quite a few times on varying websites now, WHO CARES. Save or spend your money, whats it to you what other people do with it?

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>>128934037

>>128932495
That picture. That qrd. I laugh everytime.

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>>128898566
Go back to /leftypol/, potato nigger

>>128891124
friendly reminder
>he is going to ditch jail by bowing down to the sjw
>he is trying to drain as much money from suckers like pol before leaving canada for a nice warm place

can't wait until he turns out to be just another judas. tears will be had

>>128933829
Hes going to invest alot of that money educating the western world. If he dedicates his life to that cause and is able reach a wider audience with more wisdom than he already spread, then he deserves to be well compensated. He is the type of person i want to see earn tons of money because it cant be more obvious that he is a force for good.

>>128932747
Its a good list. More Dragons anon, Bigger Dragons.

>>128909424
Anyone?

>>128937868
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Us979jCjHu8&feature=youtu.be
at 2:02:xx

>>128938133
How was this meme'd? Does he say it more often?

https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/872520672920076290
JP confirms vidya is art

>>128938387
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/817906652179496960?lang=el
He probably repeats it more often you just have to search.

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>>128898566
>Let me just keeping saying hes wrong
That'll make me right...right
Sounds like we have a commie here boys

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>>128938582
wtf i love peterson now?

a small bump

>>128927504
Attention span is the problem not your intelligence