Fluoride. Is there a way to stop it from being added to water?

>>128878967
>health issues
Like what? Not getting cavities?

>>128879281
No.

>what is debtal flourosis?
>what is alzheimers?
>what is the pineal gland?

Fluoride has more hazards than "benefits".

Europe doesn't add fluoride. Why does North America? Any help?

>>128881419
clean water

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>>128878967
Get a Berkey water filter, anon.

>>128880684
Why do we have chlorinated pools if chlorine can kill us?
>brainlets can't into chemistry
What else is new.

>>128882537
I plan on getting one for my family, but this is bigger than that. We have been brainwashed to not trust anyone and to only care about ourselves. My concern is for everyone. How many people are blinded by the "muh dental health" propaganda? We are being kept docile. Our people are being poisoned and are unwilling to do anything about because they are tamed.

>>128882773
Chlorine is in tap water as well. I am no chemist. Why don't you try to educate instead of try to humiliate? If you can take the time to respond, you can add info or a link- something.

>>128878967
Fluoride produces a calming effect in large quantities. I'm looking for a filter to clean that out of my water too.

WAKE UP, SHEEPLE. You can't see the truth because it's killing the creative part of your mind. Most people don't know this, but if you do a litmus test on pure air, you can see that it's tainted with oxygen, a fast-acting deadly poison that was put there to mask the chemtrails.

>>128883134
>educate me
Concentration matters more than what is actually in your water. Fluoride, chlorine, bromine are used as sanitizers in water because of their highly reactive nature (check their position on the periodic table, they are close to each other for a reason).

Now back to the concentration issue: these elements are naturally toxic to complex molecules because of this reactivity, but the risk factor is directly related to the concentration of "units" of element per quantity of water (imagine making koolaid, but only using half the packet, or 1/4).

So in effect, the amount of F or Cl in your water is just enough to poison and kill microbes, bacteria, etc. Essentially the simpler forms of life that can't handle any exposure to these elements.

Now think about mammals in general. We are highly structured and complex life, and as such are more resistant to the toxicity of these elements. Thus, it requires A LOT more of these chemicals to do us harm. Significantly more than what you will ever find in your water.

Also just so you know, our bodies are very good at detecting these chemicals (halides), specifically because of how dangerous they can be. So if your water is in fact near lethal levels, you will be able to tell in a similar way you can tell meat is rotten. Our senses of taste and smell were adapted specifically so we can detect trace amounts of whatever chemical we need.


TL;DR
>humans are big, takes more poison to hurt us compared to microbes and bacteria, which WILL grow in your water supply unless the water is sanatized (by chemicals).

>>128883612
This.

Tap water is used constantly for consumption (tea, lemonade etc). In infants, fluoride in the tap water used to make formula has no benefits, only risks.

>>128884044
Also, the existence of microbes in our water is a much higher risk factor than any fluoride sanitizing they can do.
Remember that 90% of our sickness and diseases result from a foreign body trying to grow in our bodies, and our bodies reacting to get rid of them.

>>128884044
>>128884307
>it doesn't kill you when you drink it so it's harmless
Just like smoking right?

>>128884581
>he drinks by directing fluids into his lungs
>gasses and liquids hold the exact same properties
Retarded brainlet.

>>128884044
Thank you for taking the time to type out that post.

I understand that in high concentration, the consequences could be lethal as in, kill you quickly. What about small doses over time? Genuinely asking. It seems that most substances that are lethal in high concentration can still have adverse effects in small doses over time.

>>128884799
I was using an analogy to show the importance of long term effects, but since you absolutely want one about drinking, let me redo it

>it doesn't kill you when you drink it so it's harmless
Just like aspartame right?

Tap water must be sanitized because they travel kms of pipes, that have been for the most part added 20+ years ago. If you don't want bacteria to spread in running water you have to add small doses of chemicals to it. If this bothers you, you can always drink bottled spring water.

>>128878967
how is 25mg/L lower than 7mg/L?

>>128884859
Elemental chlorine (Cl2) is used to disinfect water. Leave a jug of tap water on the counter for a few hours and all the chlorine will evaporate into the air. Fluorine as fluoride ions (F-) is very difficult to remove as its non-volatile. As to long term health effects of small doses, the jury is still out. Life is a grand experiment.

>>128885354
>drinking plastic

>>128884799
Are you really that dense bucko?

>>128885381
.25 means 0.25

>>128884859
>small doses over time
Risk factor depends on the half life of the chemical in question. For instance, a byproduct of oil refinement will take a lot longer to "degrade" compared to a simply element (not exactly true, but close enough. Raw elements don't degrade, only react.)

So as to your question, small amounts over a long period of time is only a problem if the chemical in question remains in your body for a significant time period. For instance, heavy metals are toxic to people because the body realistically can't remove those metals through traditional means (waste systems), so it is left to accumulate, and eventually cause problems. Heavy metals also have a very long half life, and as such will remain "themselves" (nondegrading, nonreactive) for a long time.

For chemicals such as Cl and F, this isn't a problem. They are reactive enough that, so long as you are only receiving a small amount, they will always work their way out of your system.
General rule of thumb is the more "complex" or heavy a chemical/element is, the longer it can last in a system.

>>128885134
>drinking alcohol deposits substances in your body that will then cause harm
Brainlet, pls just stop. The body doesn't work how you think it does.
>what is a liver
Ever think it can process fluorides as well?

>>128885980
Simple ions like fluoride are usually processed through the kidneys, not the liver.

>>128886151
Oh, my mistake then.

>>128884307
Fluoride isn't a cleaning agent yo...

>>128885354
don't drink bottled water either. The BPA in bottled water have me two tennis ball sized tumors :(. I now only drink from those refillable 5 gallon containers, I bought a jug without BPA in it.

>>128886256
What constitutes a "cleaning agent"?

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>city water
>not having a well

>>128886351
Don't let your water heat up in cheap plastic. Stronger plastics are generally ok, though it doesn't hurt to check the plastic type to be sure. The number/letter inside the recycle triangle thing is an "plastic ID" of sorts. Google that for all the information on the plastic you could ever want.

>>128880684
>conspiracy theory
>conspiracy theory
>extra conspiracy theory
>>>/x/

>>128882773
You're not supposed to drink the pool water...

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It's the Soviets who tries to corrupt your precious bodily fluids.

>>128885800
What about aluminum accumulation from consuming water with added fluoride? Even consuming fluoridated water with aluminum?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/7897695/

This is the only study I have related to this as I am currently researching more.

Is there a reason that chlorine AND fluoride have to be added to sanitize? Would just chlorine not be enough?

>>128881419
It is a way for massive pharmaceutical/manufacturing companies to get rid of their waste product which is take a wild guess- fluoride!

These companies lobbied governments and got dentists involved so they wouldn't have to use more expensive means to get rid of fluoride

They sell you that it's about health but it's about massive companies wanting to get rid of that waste product the cheapest way possible

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Fluoride readily accumulates in the pineal gland, which is the part of the brain responsible for regulating sleep and producing melatonin (wakefulness) and serotonin (happiness).

Calcium concentration in the pineal gland has a strong positive correlation (r = 0.73) with pineal fluoride levels. Pineal gland calcification has been linked with Alzheimer's and Dementia as well as hormonal issues in children (relating to the reproductive system).

>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11275672
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pineal_gland

Goyim, you're being drugged.

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COMMUNISTS!

>>128884044
You can taste flouride. It has a heavy metal taste. Cook pasta in filtered vs non-filtered water and you'll be able to pick it. Also using high-flouride professional dental products where the flouride isn't overwhelmed by mint (like in consumer products.) It does ruin the taste of water desu, but unless you drink unfiltered water regularly you'll get used to it.

>>128885980
So are you sure that drinking fluoride is harmless?
My point was that there may be effects on the long term, not because they stay in the body, but because they continuously enter. The elimination of fluor by the body is not enough to say that fluor is harmless.

Then again it must depend on the concentration I guess

>>128880684
Youre a fucking idiot. Go live in Africa if youre opposed to progression of civilization. All that shit is idiotic conspiracy

>>128886826
I mean, you can drink the pool water just fine, even with the Chlorine. If it is too much chlorine it will upset your tummy, though.
>>128886902
>aluminum accumulation
Definitely something to watch out for, though I question a lot of flouride studies. Hell, "scientific" studies in general have taken a real dip in quality over the years.

>Is there a reason that chlorine AND fluoride have to be added to sanitize? Would just chlorine not be enough?
Good question. Just an educated guess, but I assume Flouride is a lot cheaper to supply than Chlorine. This isn't necessarily true anymore with electrolysis becoming the norm, but our public institutions are always slow to adapt.

Also, the Aluminum thing is why we generally use Chlorides instead of Fluorides. Florine is fairly small and hard to keep stable; much unlike Chlorine.

Another gripe I have with Fluoride studies is they don't often consider the improper use of toothpaste in their research. You know the proper amount of toothpaste is a pea-size, right? How many people you know of that cover their entire brush with paste?

That is why the fluorinated water is a meme: most of the excess fluoride comes from toothpaste. Not a big conspiracy; where does all excess toothpaste go?
>down the drain

>>128887198
So to my original question, how to stop it? Do I need to start at a city level? Once I get local support who do I send our fight to? I want to do this the right way.

flouride makes you "chill out" and then it gives you cancer

>>128887846
Don't take /pol/ serious, the fluoride meme is just another version of the flat earth meme.
The best you can do as a non-specialized (in this field of study) citizen is to be certain your water is managed by someone who understands chemistry and water sanitation.

If your county is anywhere as corrupt as mine, the position is filled by a retard due to nepotism. And we still manage to have clean water.
>in a swamp

>>128878967
Reverse osmosis - will set you back about 600 eur but you will be ready for fighting after a few weeks

>>128888185
You're wrong boyo. See the paper in >>128887371. Research on the subject is either being overlooked or intentionally suppressed.

Drinking mineral water (without natural fluoride of course) and using fluoride-free toothpaste are easy ways to avoid most of it.

>>128887846
You could also get one of those "water treatment" things to attach to your house. Softens and filters the water as it feeds into your house.

They are mainly for removing the "hard" elements (typically small things that don't readily dissolve in water, makes the water "rough"), though I'm sure they can remove excess Fluoride.

>>128888451
>fluoride-free toothpaste
Does it even work? I never used it

>>128878967
I have a B.S. in chemistry/biochemistry and OP is a buffoon

>>128888451
>ctrl-f "toothpaste"
>0 results
Dropped. What kind of "scientist" does research into Fluoride contamination without considering the most common source of Fluoride in our society today?

Brainlet scientist, that's who.

>>128888653
>t. FIDF
Oy vey, shut it down already.

>>128888619
They use baking soda instead, so yeah they still work fairly well.

>>128887798
>fluoride is a lot cheaper to supply than chlorine

I know you are just guessing, but if that were the case, if chlorine is already added to tap water, wouldn't it make sense not to spend extra money on another chemical (cheap or not)? As for the toothpaste thing, I am opposed to it being in toothpaste, but I haven't done any research on that yet or alternatives. Even so, with the use of toothpaste, there would still seem to be no plausible reason to ADD fluoride, for dental health or sanitation.

That said, what political steps do I take to get it removed?

>>128888619
I've brushed only with water for about two years now and i have white teeth and zero holes. The paste is mostly for good breath. Salvia enforce your teeth and keep them clean.

Op, you're a fucking idiot. Go do some actual research on the so called health effects of fluoride before wasting everyone's time you ignorant cunt

>>128888619
>>128888836
Although, I'm not sure how well they kill mouth bacteria that grows from foodstuffs stuck in your teeth. Stuff like that is what leads to infections and tooth pains.

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>>128878967

it calcifies your pineal gland.
look it up anon

>>128886902
>>128887798
There seems to be a misunderstanding regarding the purpose of fluoride here, so I'm just gonna pop in and try to clear that up.
Fluoride isn't a sanitizer. It's purpose is to help restore tooth enamel that would naturally get lost over time.

>>128888619
AFAIK from a dentistry standpoint toothpaste is almost irrelevant. Brushing away plaque and food is far, far more important.

>>128888698
>ctrl+f on an abstract
The paper deals with concentrations in the pineal gland, not sources.

>>128878967
Buy some Zero Water filters, they remove it.

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>>128880684
There's nothing conspiratorial about the difference between sodium fluoride (used in dental practice) and hydrofluorosilicic acid (used in water fluoridation). One is good for your teeth. One is considered toxic in many nations.

>>128889181
That's what I understand it to be marketed as, but with fluoride in toothpaste it shouldn't be forced on people through their water.

>>128889239
>mammals age: news at 11
Research what "calcification" amounts to when it is found in animals. It is typically associated with age. The presence of Fluoride in a natural deposit is not unusual, especially considering how much access we have to the stuff.

Still is alarmist nonsense.

>>128889181
>Fluoride isn't a sanitizer
But that is exactly what it does, or are you insinuating bacteria has an easy time growing in a Fluoride solution?

>>128878967
Dig a well

>>128888619
>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11275672
No issues here. Fluoride free for 5 years.

>>128889608
I don't know enough about this topic to really intelligently participate, so, like I said, a lot of people seemed to be suggesting that fluoride was a sanitizer, and I just wanted to point out that that's not actually what it does.

How very interesting that jewgle's top results for "fluoride" are
>test kits
>treatment kits
>alternatives
Almost like it is another psuedo-science driven market push. Hmm..

>>128890025
>Fluoride does not sanitize
But it does, brainlet. Bacteria can not grow in water that has trace amounts of Fluoride. Thus, it is sanitizing the water.

>>128889614
There was an earlier study done on gerbils which found that melatonin levels were significantly lower in the individuals who received fluoride supplementation. This implies calcification (not "calcification", see: corpora arenacea).

It does happen naturally, but not nearly at the same rate or to the same degree.

>http://epubs.surrey.ac.uk/895/

>>128890244
>he starts on the peer review goose chase
The article you linked me was researching the Fluoride concentration in the natural calcification.
Why is it a surprise that, when Fluoride is in excess, it can be found to be stored in deposits? That is nothing impressive, nor meaningful.

Compare this to research into smoking
>Carcinogens are created by combustion
>Carcinogens cause mutations in vulnerable tissues
>breathing carcinogens thus causes cancer

Where is this process for the fluoride boogieman? It doesn't exist, because the science is highly incomplete and worthless. You have been fooled by the recent phenomena of "marketing science".
>find vague study, imply it is a lot more than it really is
>create product that "saves" people from the scary findings of the vague research
Every fucking time. When will you fucks learn?

>>128890089
To be clear, are you saying that there are false studies coming to false conclusions about fluoride consumption so that we'll buy that stuff?

Forgive me if I'm way off. I would think that they are offering a "buy out", but that's why I don't want the answer to be "just get a filter." I don't want it added to begin with. I am willing to rally people because I know I can't do it alone. I need to know where to go with that.

>>128879281
Do you really think the government gives a fuck about your cavities? Besides, flouride is meant to be applied to your teeth topically, not ingested daily or cooked into your food.

The pharmaceutical-industrial complex is increasingly eager to start selling other drugs to be added into the water supply. And the fluoridation program is already being used as a precedent for the forced drugging of the entire population, and as an explicit justification for adding further medications to our drinking water.


(See the following examples, watch this shit anons)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmBnaJIQdUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l99PZZzvXLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXue4VOZJ_Q

>>128890849
>To be clear, are you saying that there are false studies coming to false conclusions about fluoride consumption so that we'll buy that stuff?
Not exactly in this order. It is related to the psuedoscience craze we are experiencing socially, and goes something like this:
>"groundbreaking" research fuels interest of everyday citizens, they become "interested"
>marketers notice this interest, brand their products in ways that "solve" the problems found by groundbreaking research
>other marketers see the success of this strategy, join in
>psuedo science/"celebrity science" is put above real science, because psuedo science sells better
Remember the "green" marketing movement? Or "organic" products?

Pop science sells products.

>>128878967
You could pick up smoking. Look into how nicotine counteracts fluoride.

>>128890195
The purpose of putting into water isn't to sanitize. The reason given for doing it isn't sanitization. It's to prevent tooth decay by helping repair tooth enamel. This is pretty fucking easy to figure out, but given your response, it doesn't really seem like you're into reading that much. But, try and actually take the time to read what I'm fucking writing or shut the fuck up.

>>128890849
>>128891309
Now, to elaborate on the research side:
>not all research is significant
>not all research is important
>most research is into niche and caveats
>most research has no obvious practical purposes
>most research is done purely at the interest of the researcher
Not all research is created equal. And now the corruption comes into play:
>big money funds research
>big money chooses what research to fund
>big money will only fund research that can show it can be turned to profit
>researchers now have to "sell" their research goals
>researchers are now marketing their research to the marketers.
This process has also led to a severe degradation of the peer review process, so random research is simply not as trustworthy as it use to be.

>>128891388
>It's to prevent tooth decay by helping repair tooth enamel. This is pretty fucking easy to figure out
So tell me, what is the chemical mechanism that allows Fluoride to repair tooth enamel?

>Fluoride is not a sanitizer
Then why does it kill bacteria, thus sanitizing water? Do you even know why Fluoride is so special in the first place? Fucking brainlets, man.

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Amounts lower than 2mg/day can affect thyroidal function, causing hypothyroidism by fucking up the metabolization of thyroxine hormones dependand of Iodine.
Low thyroidal function causes low performance, reduced metabolism, brain fog, reduced growth and developement, depression, apathy.

Iodine deficiency makes even more likely to get hypothyroidism. It is thought that more than half of the population is iodine deficient.

>>128892168
>methylmercury
>polychlorinated biphenyls
>arsenic
>chlorpyrifos
>dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane
>tetrachloroethylene
>polybrominated diphenyl ethers
These are vastly different from
>lead
>fluoride
these

Go look at the fucking molecular structure, brainlet. There is a very obvious reason why the big scary ones cause cancer, and they all have proposed and accepted mechanisms for the causation of cancers.

Where is that for fluoride?

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>>128892742
>dichlorodiphenyltrichloroethane

>>128878967
best way is to chelate water to remove fluoride and other heavy metals. you can do this by putting 10mg mercury in you water bottle, then use a coffee filter to strain it out after 2 hours. the water will be free of flouride as it binds to the mercury. you can use cheesecloth to wrap the mercury and filter that way too.

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>>128892742
>tetrachloroethylene

>>128891691
This. Corporate funded research is always biased, it's important for the people making and selling the flouride to contoniue profiting. Which is why we should be looking at idependantnpeer reviewed research.

>>128891388
Do you eat toothpaste to fight cavities?

I challenge everyone to watch these 3 videos >>128890960
Then tell me why you agree with the things these assholes are proposing.

>>128890806
The only products I'm advocating are replacements, not extra expenses. You can't seriously believe that supplementing the chemical linked to calcification has no effect.

The process is clear as well:
>flouride is added to water and toothpaste
>flouride contributes to pineal calcification
>consuming added flouride thus causes hormonal disorders and increases the risks of typically old-age related diseases

Of course more research needs to be done before this is certain, but like you say: it's similar to smoking. Its consequences may only be realised later. There are no literally no downsides to reducing flouride intake.

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>>128892742
>chlorpyrifos
wew, this one is a beast

>>128881419
>Muh Europe water

Europe fluoridates salt and milk instead.

If you truly want to avoid fluoride in your water AND food supply, move to Hawaii and enjoy your rotting teeth.

>>128891861
Seeing as you're clearly having a Lot of trouble understanding what I'm trying to say, I'll try and make it as clear as possible so that you can keep up.
>what is the chemical method that allows fluoride to repair tooth enamel?
I don't know. That's right. I don't know. As I was reading through the various posts, I saw a lot of people suggesting that the reason fluoride was put in water supplies was to sanitize the water. I knew this was not the case. I knew that the reason was not water sanitization, but to help strengthen/repair enamel. I do not know how it supposedly does this. I simply noticed a lot of posters were arguing about fluoride based on the idea that the reason for putting it in the water is to sanitize. Now, water sanitization could very easily be one of those "positive consequences" type things according to fluoride proponents, but the reason it's put into the water isn't to sanitize; it's to help tooth enamel.
Does this help you understand what I'm trying to say? Or do I have to explain it more?

>>128891309
>>128891691

Fluoride being added to water for sanitizing or dental health doesn't really matter to me. Can you agree that it doesn't NEED to be added to water considering that for dental health, fluoride in toothpaste would be sufficient and for sanitizing, chlorine would be sufficient?

>>128893007
No. Why is that relevant?

>>128893184
>>128893005
>>128892860
>these structures
Gee, I wonder how these molecules could possibly cause issues when they get into our bodies!

For reference, a Fluoride ion around 33% smaller than a Chloride ion. Smaller than carbon, too.

>>128893561
How is the fluoridation program being used as a precedent and justification for adding further medications to our drinking water relevant?

>>128893184
Since you seem like a chemist, I have a story for you about polybrominated diphenyl ethers. Once upon a time in the late 1970s, the (((major players))) needed to increase their profits. At the time, polyester clothes were all the rage, including jumpers for infants. A few kids get badly burned in house fires, and the chemical companies see an opportunity: they can load clothes with polybrominated flame retardants and turn a tidy profit while "protecting innocent children." Fast forward to today, the shit is everywhere (lakes, rivers, soil) and won't break down for tens if not hundreds of thousands of years. Good times.

>>128893466
>That's right. I don't know.
Then why are you acting like you do? You are wrong.
>>128893483
>it doesn't NEED to be added to water considering that for dental health
It is there to prevent the growth of bacteria and other microbes in the water supply.

The reason toothpaste has fluoride is for the purpose of killing bacteria that is growing in the mouth, which leads to infections. The bacteria grows from bits of food that remains in your mouth, often stuck in between your teeth.

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>>128893928
>many such cases
I find it best to just not think about the crazy chemical pollution we have due to actions in the 20th century.
I find it highly concerning that people today believe we live in a society that pollutes like our society did back then. Night and Day difference, there.
>pic slightly related

>>128894002
>it is there to prevent the growth of bacteria and other microbes in the water supply

Chlorine doesn't do the same thing?

Tooth decay is far more dangerous than fluoride. I'd suggest bottled water or low fluoride toothpaste if you are that worried. Just think of all the tooth decay stopped in the ignorant populous. The health problems that accompany bad teeth would drive up health costs for everyone. If you don't use fluoride be sure you don't chew on your foil hat.

>>128894002
You're so incorrect it's ridiculous. Fluoride prevents dental carries because anion substitution of phosphate with fluoride, producing CaF2, provides a stronger bond which is resistant to etching by food acids.

The optimal fluoride level in water is 1 part per million. Any more and deleterious effects, such as speckles occur. Any less and dental caries proliferate in populations.

Much more, like 10 ppm, causes IQ deficit.

>>128887846
All you need is a reverse osmosis filter under your kitchen sink

>>128894002
I knew there was a risk you wouldn't read past those sentences, but I decided to have faith. Clearly I was wrong. Mistake made; lesson learned.

>>128894449
It does. It probably would be "safer" to switch to chlorine to get the job done, but there are cost and logistic issues that also need to be considered. Fluoride is probably a lot cheaper, and the system is already in place.

Don't be fooled, though. The "safety" afforded by the switch is not nearly as much as the alarmist would lead you to believe. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the Fluoride craze is being pushed by a supplier of Chlorine to public facilities.

>>128893892
The question is more, why did you ask me about it

>>128894373
Yeah, it's scary as fuck what used to be considered ok. Reminds me of "atoms for peace." Shame that much of what we've created will likely outlive our civilization. Oops.

Remind me, it was the thalidomide racemate that caused the birth defects, yeah?

>>128894373
It's not a night and day difference, it just changed from physical deformities to autism.

>>128894660
>having faith
Having faith in chemicals is a good way to get cancer. Perhaps you should educate yourself on the function of certain chemicals, and the relations said chemicals have with each other.
>he still thinks Fluoride does not kill bacteria

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>>128894848
Valid point.

>>128894002
Fluoride is put in toothpaste and drinking water to help enamel. If it also kills bacteria that's just a positive side effect; it is not the main goal.
Also, I was not at any point pretending that I knew How it supposedly helped enamel. I was just pointing out what I've typed above.

>>128878967
water filters really work and you get shocked by the amount of garbage. even in sweden, "the best quality tap-water in the etceteras"

>>128894848
>changes from a physical deformity to a mental one
>the issue goes from being seen to unseen
SOME WOULD SAY THAT IS A NIGHT AND DAY DIFFERENCE, NO?
>>128894813
Yep. Some drug designed to combat morning sickness. Great irony in this one.

>pic related
Ok, google. Enough with your (((search results))).

>>128895137
Fun fact: the most active antimicrobial in toothpaste is usually formaldehyde. Protip: don't eat toothpaste.

>>128895137
Why would it be added to the drinking water when people brush their teeth?
What do they do to prevent bacteria from growing in the water?
>being this retarded

>>128895361
Damn, now what am I going to eat after breakfast?

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>>128895298
>pic*

>>128894804
Because you seem to be in favour of the fluoridation program, I'm curious if you also support the other things the same companies are proposing to add to our water supply. And because flouride is meant to be applied to your teeth topically, not ingested daily or cooked into your food. ingesting flouride does not help prevent cavities.

>>128894951
I don't think he's saying fluoride doesn't like bacteria. He's trying to say that the reason marketed for adding fluoride to tap water is for dental health. No one is saying that it doesn't kill bacteria. If you google "fluoride in tap water" and go to "images" you will see nothing but images depicting teeth or images related to dental health.

It's like they got called out for adding fluoride and they said, "no no, it's ok, we add it to make your teeth healthier!"

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>>128878967
If you don't have your own well you're not allowed to call yourself redpilled.

>>128895442
I am not arguing that it should be added. I was just saying that when it is added, this is the reason given.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND YET?

>>128895538
This guy understands me.

>>128895538
I understand what he is trying to say, and it is the "feel good" bullshit reason the government fed the public.
Funnily enough, that exact rumor got started the last time psuedoscience was raised above actual science, back in the 80s.

Remember global cooling? Good times.

>>128895523
>>128895629

>>128895629
>I was just saying that when it is added, this is the reason given.
>I am just reminding you that we are told the tooth fairy is the one that takes the tooth from below the child's pillow, not the parents!
You right now.

The corporate research that says flouride is safe for babies to be drinking is the same type of research that says aspartame is perfectly safe.

Flouride added to water is waste from aluminum manufacturing. The mellon group and alcoa convinced america to put it in water. If you shower, you're absorbing it mainly through the glans of the penis (why circumcision is pushed so hard in murrica). If you eat fruits or veggies, flouride is present from being washed with flouridated water not to mention the plants watered with the same flouridated water.

>>128895905
Ok, so, people were arguing about the merits, or lack thereof, of fluoride based on it as a sanitizer, but the reason given for it at all isn't sanitization. It is helping tooth enamel. Thus, to properly attack the idea of fluoridation you need to be attacking the thing that proponents for it are actually arguing for. I was trying to help people form better arguments.
If you don't get it after this, I have no alternative but to assume you're a troll and to stop responding to you.

>>128896029
This.

There are no benefits to giving babies fluoridated tap water (personally, babies should be breastfed instead of formula fed but that's a topic for another day).

This discussion has been very pleasant and informative, but is there really no way to change this issue?

>>128896601
My county doesn't fluoridate. You could come here.

>>128896515
>It is helping tooth enamel
This is a lie the government told the superstitious public the last time they were working themselves into a fervor over scary chemicals.

>They are worried about the Fluoride in their water! What do we tell them?
>The fools, don't they see this is literally the same as sanitizing a pool for swimming?
>*public is in a craze over pool chemicals as well*
>Fuck, what else has Fluoride in it? Toothpaste? Tell them it is for their teeth!
Make sense? Easier to give a bullshit reason than to try and explain complexities to people who can't understand.

It is the same reason we tell our children fairy tales; the truth is harder to understand.

Also the shit in shampoo and soap os absorbed through the glans of the penis, along with laundry detergents present in clothes after theyve been washed. Look up what the chemicals do to hormones.

>>128896729
I appreciate the offer but I'm looking for a solution to help everyone, even those who have no idea this is even a concern, not just myself. I will filter my own water, but that doesn't solve the initial problem. That being, our society is consuming an unnecessary chemical that is being added to our water.

>>128897020
>Look up what the chemicals do to hormones
hormones are chemicals too. Better to research the hormone receptors, and what else binds to them besides their specific hormones.

>>128897169
Naturally occuring unlike what youre getting at just as the flouride added to water isnt the same naturally occuring flouride present in nature but rather a waste byproduct.

Been fluoride-free for past 6-7 years. No change in tooth health and no cavities.

>>128896601
Well it's funny you made this thread (I rarely see flouridation threads on /pol/), I saw it and jumped right in because I just happened to have emailed my local council representatives and mayor about stopping flouridation last week. The decision to fluoridate is a municipal one so theoretically if you can sway enough people and make enough noise then it's something that you can stop. I haven't received any replies yet, so I plan on attending the next council meeting open to public speakers. I've also started looking into the water company here and the council members for any possible kickbacks they may be receiving. Anyways, it all starts with one person, good luck to you.

>>128883979

Any links about the oxygen?

>>128897404
>Naturally occuring
Just pointing out that the issue comes with the receptor and not the hormones themselves.
>natural fluoride vs artificial fluoride
Fluoride is fluoride. The thing you need to watch for is what the Fluoride is binded("stored as") to prior to being added to the water. Adding more Hydrogen to the water is fine, but adding other things (such as chemicals from some other processes) is a concern.

Btw mellon group the entity that convinced america to drink flouride was founded by a republican.

>>128897866
>don't forget it is those evil republicans that are responsible for all problems in our world!
Gee, I wonder (((who))) could possibly benefit from the proliferation of psuedoscience.

>>128898026
Russia and the right?

>>128898184
Those damn russian hackers are hacking our water plants now! WAR WHEN?

>>128896946
But chlorine is in tap water which sanitizes as well. There is no reason to add fluoride.

>>128878967
take the ultimate red pill tell others
https://www.quora.com/Is-there-physical-scientific-proof-that-Jews-were-gassed-to-death-in-Nazi-concentration-camps/answer/Damian-Graves

>>128898026
Both major parties in your country are Israeli puppets anon.

>>128897682
Thank you so much! That is where I will start. This is the answer I was looking for.

Good to know that I'm not the only one willing to get out and do something about it.

>>128898351
I'm not sure as to whether or not they add chlorine at water plants as well as fluorine, though there are thousands of possible sources for chlorine contamination, and most are innocent and insignificant.

The big reason for chlorine over fluorine as the main sanitizer is that chlorine has a much larger "safe range" than Fluorine has. I still don't think it is such an issue that warrants the alarmist tone, though.

>>128878967
filtration systems are your only option.

>>128898595
That is why pinning it on one party or the other is typically a tactic by the opposing party to get votes.
Anyone that tries to imply it is the fault of one party, and one party only, is an agent of (((them))).

fluorosilicic acid is added to water not flourine

>>>/x/
keep to the proven health hazards niggers

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>>128899050
Are you certain this is the argument you seek?

>>128888619
It does work :) I have some at home.

>>128898721
You are certainly entitled to not be concerned with it. I still appreciate you taking the time to add a different side to the discussion. I can not sit by and watch our society be brainwashed and controlled any longer. This is just my first step in an attempt to change how our country is being run and controlled.

>>128899588
>This is just my first step in an attempt to change how our country is being run and controlled.
No problem, and good luck to you in your goals. Just remember that there is an absolute truth in our world, and it can be found with enough effort.

Hell I'd go as far as to say that the absolute truths are the ones that require the most effort to discover.

>>128878967
Alternatively you can die by gastrointestinal bacteria that make you die within a week without treatment.
Not everything is risk free, you either accept it or just die from dehydration, at least that way the smarter survive.

>>128887798
Just like birth control, god damn.

>>128898673
np, here are some further resources:


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3491930/
http://www.fluoridealert.org/wp-content/uploads/du-1992.pdf
http://fluoridealert.org/studies/nrc_thyroid/
http://fluoridealert.org/studies/skeletal_fluorosis01/
http://www.waterloowatch.com/hydrofluorosilicic%20acid.html
https://www.corbettreport.com/interview-627-anthony-gucciardi-on-why-we-fluoridate/
http://fluoridealert.org/fan-tv/prof-perspectives/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMMfYZztowA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRLz4a7lDVM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_kGMrak84w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aTfyo0Xz_c


And I hate to sound like a broken record, but I really feel that the 3 videos I linked earlier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmBnaJIQdUw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l99PZZzvXLg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXue4VOZJ_Q
are enough to scare anyone with half a brain if they take the time to watch them.

>>128890960
This. Water should be delivered without unnecessary additives. Flouride is unnecessary, and potentially harmful. It's a dangerous precedent.

I also reject the notion that it is good for your teeth. Dental fluorosis leaves you with mottled, brittle teeth.

>>128899857
Thank you for the encouragement.

After being on this board off an on, I am finally fed up with just sitting around waiting for someone else to start an uproar. I have started to show my husband examples of the truth, and he is finally starting to see what's really going on (especially associated with media). Having his support has helped me drop more truths to more people.

Thank you gentlemen for your time and input.

>>128899928
>accept it or die
Yeah.. you don't sound like a shill AT ALL.

>>128900319
Thank you for the extra links! I have saved them to research later this evening when I have more time. I am looking for good sources and info to build my case.

>>128878967
Get it from the stream?
Still the water?

Latter would remove the minerals you get with it though. I can just drink directly from the stream here, clean and healthy straight from nature.

>>128901039
>I am finally fed up with just sitting around waiting for someone else to start an uproar
Exactly.

>>128901304
corbettreport has some great, very informative, videos on the subject, if you get tired of reading. Good luck.

>>128880684
>>128882773
fluoride is more deadly in parts per million than fucking arsenic. you are the one who can't chemistry. i'll cut you some slack though, your doing the best you can considering how damaged your brain is from fluoride

>>128884044
you are a fucking shill. there is no proven dental benefit to adding this toxic trash to water. it is added to damage the brain. fuck you you fucking shill. never come back here again.

>>128891861
holy shit. this guy doesn't even know why he's defending fluoridated water. he is just blindly doing it. get gassed you fucking faggot. the official reason is muh tooth enamel and nothing else. it is being done to poison the populace. most of the rich elite and even elite business buildings, hotels, etc have their own aquifers or filtration systems. only the peasants are stuck with muh healthy water. fuck you faggot.

>>128882908
We are spectators now. TV is our culture

>>128899857
>Just remember that there is an absolute truth in our world, and it can be found with enough effort.
coming from a guy who worked as hard as possible to slide this topic. kill yourself you shill. we are coming for you and you will hang within this lifetime.

>>128900993
Literally no one ends up with fluorosis

>>128904143
literally everyone ends up with cavities. it doesn't cause full-blown fluorosis but it does build up in your corpora arenacea. it used to only be calcium, magnesium and ammonium but now we are finding concentrations of fluoride in the corpora arenacea too hmmmm. must be a coincidence. the fact that it damages the pineal gland is just a coincidence goyim.

Fluorides are found in all sources of water, including spring and bottled water.

Fluorides are found in the food and animals we eat.

Fluorides are naturally occurring and can be found in greater concentrations throughout the environment.

Fluorides are regulated. You can inquire about the water content from your local municipality and then buy water filters from your local jew.

There are no conclusive studies that show a direct link from fluorides to cancer or debilitating health problems.

You simply can not believe everything you read from Wikipedia.

>>128902073
Sodium fluoride: ORAL (LD50): Acute: 52 mg/kg
Arsenic trioxide: ORAL (LD50: Acute: 14 mg/kg


At 0.25 mg/l, you'd need to drink over 10,000 liters of tap water to get enough fluoride to kill a 50kg (110lb) manlet.

7 liters of water in an hour will kill you via hyponatremia.

You are a dumbfuck brainlet.

>>128905156
>kill
nice strawman. im more concerned with the heightened amounts of corpora arenacea. the fluoride thats added to water is an industrial byproduct in concentrated form and not naturally occurring. drinking that water doesn't do jack shit for your teeth and yet they fight tooth-and-nail to keep it in and pay shills to slide forums talking about it. but no its all just a big coincidence.

>>128891861
>So tell me, what is the chemical mechanism that allows Fluoride to repair tooth enamel?

It bonds to calcium in your saliva, which slowly bonds to the calcium in the enamel of your teeth.

Salivary fluoride levels vary from 0.01-0.10 mg/L.
Water fluoridation doubles that, which results in more rapid remineralization of teeth.

Increasing dietary calcium helps as well.

>>128878967
There's naturally occurring trace amounts of calcium fluoride in most water sources. Your body can easily break down these trace amounts of calcium fluoride over time.

There's a much higher level of sodium fluoride in U.S. fluoridated water (essentially every major population center) this is often a byproduct of fertilizers and other agri-chemicals. This is the one people accuse of calcifying the pineal gland, damaging the liver over time and disrupting body weight regulation.

>>128905156
wew also those numbers are pulled out of your ass. lmao how pathetic that you have to slide a thread and make up bullshit numbers.

>>128905737
>the fluoride thats added to water is an industrial byproduct in concentrated form and not naturally occurring

>sodium fluoride
>not naturally occurring

m8, it's in your saliva. RIGHT NOW.

>>128904794
see
>>128905956

Fun fact: hydrofluorosilicic acid in our water supply is often is misleadingly called “sodium fluoride”.

>>128906179
>hurr durr drinking coffee is the same thing as popping an entire bottle of caffeine pills goy
wow you are a fucking shill. you don't even respond to the corpora arenacea part because you don't have an answer. all of these slide posts are proof that tptb are terrified of this place.

>>128906222
yes the difference being 2 mg/L to 4mg/L (amnt set by EPA)

Naturally, it can be found in far greater concentrations than 2 mg/L.

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>>128878967
The addition of flouride to drinking water is one of the greatest public health successes of all time.

It amazes me that people born into working systems, health and care, wealth and prosperity will go and find something to go full mong over and attempt to erase gains for everybody.

Is it to feel spevial? Like you have some spevial secret knowledge? Why go mong and hurt everyone else?

>>128887625
i wonder whos paying you

>>128906731
Question: Would you be okay with the adding of lithium or antidepressants into our water supply?

>>128906562
so why do we all have to brush twice a day still if this magical water is such a savior of mankind? lmao its fucking garbage that corporate oligarchs are recycling from their industries that has the convenient property of speeding the aging of your brain and ensuring it is riddled with the maximum amount of corpora arenacea by middle age. also i love how these "natural" /pol/lacks are suddenly jumping to defend the FDA lmao. SHILLS. colorado almost banned it from our water last election and next time we will have enough support to cinch it. fuck you.

>>128907074
Well for starters, your neckbeard diet probably consists of gallons of mountain dew and other sugary drinks, with low nutrient dense foods. Diets today, are not like they used to be. So you're going to want to brush your teeth after meals.

Jesus Christ, maybe the Earth really is flat.

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>>128907074
http://www.fluoridealert.org/wp-content/pesticides/levels/colorado.html

here ya go, the naturally occurring levels, by county in CO

>>128907343
hey good one. thats a much better response than addressing what I have to say about the extra corpora arenacea buildup this garbage is causing.
>>128907551
i don't care about naturally occurring. I don't want oligarch moloch worshiping sacks of shit dumping their leftover industrial chemicals into my water on the taxpayer's dime. you think its a coincidence that world-class resorts, spas, hotels, etc all have private aquifers? wew laddie. try and squint through the extra brain sand and use your logic.

>>128878967
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fluoride#Occurrence

Read the short "Occurrence" section on Wikipedia. Fluoridated water brings fluoride concentration to 0.7-1.2 ppm, whereas naturally occurring surface water generally has concentrations of 0.01–0.3 ppm.

tl;dr fluoride naturally occurs in surface water at concentrations similar to fluoridated water

>>128907884
>you think its a coincidence that world-class resorts, spas, hotels, etc all have private aquifers?

I think they can afford to dig deep wells, a cost most people can not afford; hence paying taxes for municipal services. Water rights/property rights are an entirely different field and subject that doesn't directly relate to your BS claim that fluoride negatively affects your health.

I don't want to scare you but, there is this thing called the sun that sends UV rays that can harm your body.

I also want to let you know of the dangers of your local weather in CO, you should have a coat for the winter because thats when temperatures drop, and it becomes cold, that could hurt you too.

Lastly, you should watch your diet too, the foods you inject can negatively affect your long term health.

Just gotta be careful out there man, so many scary things in nature.

>>128882238
of all the things they say fluoride does do, cleaning the water is not one of them.

>>128908761
you keep stepping around the fact that major cities are using fluoride concentrates derived as waste from industry in their water. thats cute that you compare an synthesized industrial compound to nature.
>elites dump this into the general populaces water but not their own
>corpora arenacea buildup is damaging to neuroplasticity
>healthy neuroplasticity is essential for learning, creativity, independent thought, long-term brain and nervous system health.
yeah, nothing to see here at all. what a silly guy I am for questioning why oligarchs are fighting so hard to ensure this stays in the water. silly.

>>128909610
you sound upset and dehydrated

>>128908761
Question: Would you be okay with the adding of lithium or antidepressants into our water supply?

>>128909845
>there's a conspiracy to end the white race goys!! we need to stop it /pol/lacks!!!!
>fluoride conspiracy? you're delusional anon. the FDA says its safe!
you sound like a paid shill

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>>128906179
>>128905880
>>128905156

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>>128909845
>>128908761
>>128907551
>>128906562
>>128904794
>>128884044
>>128884307

jews identified

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>>128892742
>Where is that for fluoride

What is oxidative damage from the most electronigger element of all? This shit is so reactive it causes havoc in the body. Also pineal gland accumulation, concentrations orders of magnitude higher in the gland that in theeth and bones

>>128894570
>Any less and dental caries proliferate in populations.
Wrong. See pic. Drinking it does not have the same effect as a topical aplication.

>>128878967
Just filter your water dude. It will take a huge backlash to get it removed.

>>128911468
Whoa whoa whoa, are you telling me that cooking my pasta in fluoridated water, then eating that fluoridated pasta doesn't prevent tooth decay? What about when I shower and absorb all that flouride through my skin and glands, surely that helps prevent tooth decay, right? I'm so glad my government cares so much about my dental health. /end sarcasm

>its another paranoid american thinking his government is trying to kill him episode

>>128887555
This.
Where I used to live we all had fresh water tanks and tap water was for washing.
After moving though I disliked tap water but quickly got used to it aand enjoy it.

>>128907074
>so why do we all have to brush twice a day still if this magical water is such a savior of mankind?

Because fluoride does not remove plaque or kill the bacteria that produce acids to weaken your enamel.

fluoride only helps to REBUILD enamel, and it cannot rebuild if it is obstructed by plaque. It would be like trying to pour concrete on mud.

>>128909610
>>corpora arenacea buildup is damaging to neuroplasticity

What does the pineal gland have to do with neuroplasticity?

Pineal gland has one job:
secrete melatonin.
Melatonin's primary function is to regulate the circadian rhythm, or "sleep cycle".

>>128878967

>current year
>not brushing with vodka
>not drinking distilled water or grain alcohol

Gotta protect your precious bodily fluids.

But seriously don't use toothpaste. That shit is toxic. Stick with vodka and baking soda.

>>128916207
>the blind man touches the elephant's trunk
>"ah yes I see, the elephant is like a tree"