This is how Ukraine should be divided. Prove me wrong.

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>>128860294
i can't

>Donetsk, Luhansk and Crimea
>Still Ukrainian

>>128860294

Question:

1) Why doesn't the map include rightful Polish clay NORTH of Lviv?

2) Why doesn't this map have most of Eastern Ukraine belonging to Russia?

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>>128860294
fixed

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>>128860294
you have to go back.

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>>128860399
>>128860412
Fixed

>>128860294
>ukraine still exists as an entity

>>128860478

What about north of Lviv? Why does it still belong to Weiß-Rußland?

You're fucking yourself unnecessarily polack.

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>>128860294
Fixed

>>128860294
> Zakarpattia
> Hungarian

why exactly?

>>128860564
Well, I am only talking now about dividing Ukraine because it is the most possible scenario in the next 50 years.

>>128860650
Pre 1939 borders.

>>128860689

Disagree.

I think Poland gets all its shit back if it buries the hatched with the Russians, leaves NATO and the EU and kicks the Americans out.

Just my personal opinion.

>>128860759

Oh yes.

>>128860294

All the coast up till and including Odessa should be Romanian, in addition to the Republic of Moldova.

>>128860806

Wat.

What do you do with all the Russians that are there?

Would you return rightful Hungarian clay to the Hungarians?

>>128860791
Not for you Hans. Current Western Poland lands are WW2 repatriations.

>>128860294

fake Pole, Russian paid web troll.

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>>128860759
It was a part of Czechoslovakia back then.

>>128860989

So then, in theory, we just need to Polacks to attack us, and we invade again and then we get our shit back as "reparations".

Good to know this is the way you guys tick.

>>128860294
They should also get the Cuban back from Russia. Rightful Ukroclay

>>128861097
Sad thing is that your army is basically nonexistent now.

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>>128861083
we need a border with hungary

>>128861257
Germany's economy and industry still outperforms your own massively however, you would need to beat them quickly or you would find yourself on the backfoot within a year if we are generous.

>>128861083

they didn't even want it.

>>128860294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sj88Iuma6BQ

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>>128861344
Let's also remeber that if germany would attack poland they are 1v2, we can not forget about rapefugees

>>128861097
Yes it will never happen though, we do not want ex muslim clay... it's not habitable for next 500 years.

>>128860294
West Ukraine to Poland, East Ukraine - to Russia

>>128861880

We don't need it. Colonization is expensive and doesn't work.

>>128861257

It was in worse shape in 1931. I'm not worried.

>Crimea
>Ukraine

Umm, no sweetie.

>>128862032
>Colonization is expensive and doesn't work.
I'm pretty sure America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and many others look alright.

>>128862197

They didn't have to colonize a dense native population.

Hint: how much of India did the British colonize?

>>128861880
I mean getting Lwów would be great for historic reasons but it would trash our economy. Ukraine is a fucking wasteland.

>>128862032
MADAGASCAR

>>128860294
>Crimea
>ukraine
Bullshit map. All southeast is rightfully Russian.

>>128860478
Now we talking..

>>128862197
Colonization has benefits as long as you don't give a shit about the natives. Just strip the land for resources. Keep the natives happy by some concessions and you are golden.

>>128860759
>polish education

>>128860294
>southern bassarabia is not romanian
Smdh

>>128862336
even in the past, Polish politicians were trash tier
we almost had colony

>>128862294
Question: How much have they tried to colonise?

Also: Colonial India didn't have a population of 1 billion like it does today and judging by their size, it was the exact same compared to America.


Is Syberia colonised? Looks so, at least the Eastern parts.

Is Southern Brasil and Argentina colonised without major admixture of natives?Yes.

>>128862318
Why exactly would it trash our economy?

>>128862513
>bandera

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>>128860897
I will gladly send them back to the rightful hungarian lands, Mongolia.

>>128862483
That's when you colonise exotic places. In Europe you could force them to integrate Prussian style and they're fucked within 6 generations.

>>128860294
Ukraine is a giant money sink. Like Russia but without resources to compensate. We needed Crimea only because of our fleet. If you want this cancer you're retarded.

>>128860294
Hey polan. How about noooo?

>>128862726
Wololyn

Visited Ukraine recently, Kiev was beautiful! Great food and nightlife and everything, and Ukrainian men are beyond spoiled by the amount of hot women. Seriously you bastards have no idea how many hot women are being wasted over there.

>>128863040
I'm afraid you don't get a say on this.

>>128863138
Well, then do something about me. Oh wait, you did. You gave me your jobs and moneys.

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>>128863040
we are not friends anymore Ukie
not after Wołyń
also, you are not in NATO, we could just invade you under guise of helping Polish minority

>>128862693

A colonizing nation-state can take over and hold eternally only areas that have a low population density at the moment of colonization. Send enough settlers there, so they become a political majority.

Everything else in the end becomes expensive to hold and slips out of the hands of the metropoly because of nationalistic independence movements. Polish history is an example of this.

Syberia was low population density, and the Russian resettled there to make it their own.

A third way is do to ethnic cleansing or forced de-settlement. Russia managed to deport Tatars from Crimea and now it's majority Russian. Hitler tried the same.

Poland can't do the same with Ukrainians.

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>>128862722
>nearly no infrastructure
>unemployment skyrockets
>more to spend on health care
>more to spend on army
>region generates nearly no profit
>obsolete agriculture
>angry hohols
>mass deportations/death camps cost money
>sanctions from westerners
Hey but at lest we have our historic city that is a fucking ruin now because hohols are too poor to maintain it properly

>>128863312
Yeah, work on making Poland richer.Kek.

What an insult that was.

>>128863338
And get btfo'd by the very nato you're in. You can't do shit if usa won't let you.

>>128863338

Thats awesome.

>>128863430
Apart from the army and healthcare there are no arguments here. The region itself would produce profits within weeks as it would be cheap and profitable to invest in.

Something that doesn't pay but doesn't cost is no problem ergo their infrastructure and agriculture doesn't mean anything.

>>128863457
>says polan enriching Germany
Thing is, you can't chimp out and cry all you want, but no clay for yuu. And your pres likes us, kek.

>>128863500
NATO can't do shit other than REEEE when non-NATO countries get invaded.

Hohol you can't even think on your own.

>>128860294
Lwow or Lviv belongs to Poland imo. Parts of Poland belong to Germany etc. Suppose it depends on how many ethnics are left in what area and go from there since many were purged.

>>128860294
Consider yourself happy to still be a country before thinking about invaders others.

I never understand these irredentist 'muh rightful clay' arguments. How would it improve the lives of Poles if Lwow was part of Poland again?

>>128860294
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LitS_XbY96w

>>128863718
Invaded by? Nato members are cockblocked from any aggression that is not approved by americans, polan. Your wet dreams are won't come true.

>>128860294
Yeah, good luck to all the countries in the east with their fucked up economies absorbing parts of a country with EVEN WORSE economical situation, no one wants anything to do with it

>>128860294
Most probably ukraine will be partitioned, but western part of ukraine will remain independent like baltic limitrophes, romania or moldova

>>128863500
NATO is defense pact against non NATO countries, primarily Russia and it's sattelites
They won't help us, but they won't stop us either

>>128864225

Sorry, unless your grand plans are approved by (((THOSE))) that run US foreign policy, so much as a Ukrainian in a polack uniform shooting at one of your radio stations will get your "freedomed" by the good ol' USSR

Polacks are on your own again.

>>128864481
*USSA

>>128863630
>The region itself would produce profits within weeks as it would be cheap and profitable to invest in
are you retarded?

>>128864095
It wouldn't.
The only people making these arguments are either retards (ultra nationalistic folks) or trolls

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>>128864481
>german namefag trying to undermine Polish spirit yet again
shush, german caliphate
you will be next to liberate when Trump kicks you out of NATO for not paying 2%

>>128864225
There is no need to stop you. You just won't do shit.

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>>128864196
It's not aggression when you are defending civilians

>>128862318
>Poland
>economy

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>>128860294
modolva and budjak are rightfully dacian

>>128863630
Have you seen how it was with eastern germany after the reunification?
You're talking nonsense

>>128864670
>you will be next to liberate when Trump kicks you out of NATO for not paying 2%

Never change.

>>128864095
Of course you won't. You stole Slovakia for your memestate, then were happy to let them go because despite your "brotherhood" they were still poor, rural bumfucks in your eyes.

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Jesus way too many polaks in this thread.

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>>128861300

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3e2Jrven80

>>128864865

To be fair, Eastern Germany is very similar to Poland.

The greatest problem with the former East, in both Germany and Poland are people here in the former West that:

1) Have never been there; and
2) Have this image in their mind of red skies, raining constantly surrounded by soviet high-rise buildings as far as the eye can see.

I cannot even begin to tell you how much better the former East is (including Poland) than most of the former West. The problem is mentality, not the people or the place itself.

>>128860294
srsly someone want this poorland inhabited by 99,9% ukrainians

you are dumb or someting?

>>128860412
this is pic from polish tv news

they showed stupid idea of a russian-jewish politician who wanted to partition ukraine

>>128863630
>would produce profits within weeks

BS. It would be a black hole of costs. We better use the money to improve our infrastructure.

Also, do you want to give them voting rights or will they be 2nd category citizens (non-citizens)?

>>128864699
maybe, maybe not, only time will tell
>>128865432
why not just invest in agriculture over there?

>>128864952
>Latbros <99%
Disgusting

>>128865087
Im not denying what you're saying, what i meant is that the west side had to pour in lots of money into the east to balance the whole country out.
Money which Poland wouldnt have to waste on in case we would annex Lwow back.

>>128865432
>do you want to give them voting rights or will they be 2nd category citizens (non-citizens)?
All national minorities are second class citizens regardless of government type. There's no way to escape that fact. You can only minimize it.

>>128865787

If they have voting rights, they can form a nationalist party or vote for some cuck party that sucks their cocks, like your Democrats do with Blacks. Either way, I don't want any of it.
Homogeneous country == best country.

Why not give the western part to Poland, a small strip of land in the middle called "Ukraine" which is a no man zone. Then the rest goes to Russia?

>>128865945

Just a do a Prussian style assimilation. All offices get switched from Ukrainian to Polish. All schools are immediately switched from Ukrainian to Polish. All car registrations, insurance, etc., etc., must be done in Polish.

First five years are the hardest.

Its what we have planned for you guys.

>>128863338
>not after Wołyń
and how are you involved with Wołyń you moron? For how long will history serve as the only argument in discussion and to justify whatever stance you have towards Ukrainians? History serves for you to just anything, because you don't have anything to say apart from referring to history

>>128865945
Yes. You pick either the hammer or the anvil. There isn't much wiggle room for the majority.

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>>128865067

Poland Lithuanian Commonwealth when?

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>>128866106
>implying history is not one of the most important parts of national identity
I bet you voted for Petru

>>128860294
Who would like to annex it anyway?

It's the same casus why south korea didn't btfo best korea.

One good thing about the hipothetical scenario would be a border with Hungarobros.

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>>128866899
Hungary is okay but not that great tho

>>128863430
Who said you would have to keep the ukies in your new clay

>>128863630
Their infrastructure is in our mid 50's. There's no way we could use it. It's better to just buy them cheap the way they are and keep their faces in the mud.

>>128860294
stop using proxys Ivan
no1curr about Putin's propaganda shill

>>128860519
this

>>128866099

Your prussian Kulturkampf didn't work on us.

We already tried Polonization on Ukrainians, it didn't work and turned them into genocidal savages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polonization#Polonization_in_Eastern_Borderlands_.28Kresy.29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacification_of_Ukrainians_in_Eastern_Galicia#Effects_of_the_action
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia#Ethnic_cleansing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_nationalism#Interwar_period_in_modern-day_Western_Ukraine

Nothing for the glorious Motherland? Wtf is wrong with you

>>128864602
Lwów would develop like any other major Polish city, what don't you understand?
>>128864865
Comparing a country with a load of social benefits ie a drain on the budget to our 500+?

>>128867241
Let it be shit then, it should develop along the rest of the region.

>>128867165
We already do, we simply don't have Lwów back yet.

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>>128860770
why would Poland want to flood its country with even more Turk rape babies?

>>128860478
This

Poland and russia can divide ukraine how they want went they let prussia be formed again