/pol/ communism general

>>128818121
Communism is Jewish.

These are the most pathetic posts on /pol/ bump

>>128820069
Its the same faggot, day after day. Literally gains no traction meanwhile the NatSoc general continues on as strong as ever.

Faggot OP should just give up.

Hello, I'm not a communist but recently I took a great deal of interest in Marxism, Leninism,Titoism after reading Paralax by Žiek.

I have one question that has been bothering me recently tho. A lot of marxists advocate abolishment of private propertyand see no basis for it in real life and thus they label it as a spook.

WHat interests me is how can there be allienation of worker form his product if in private property is abolished and thus every chance of identifying something as object of your own work.

Btw sorry for typos I'm sleepy kind of

Fuck you wont work when it requires hard working whites to take care of low life, lazy blacks or Mexicans that come hear to exploit and give nothing back.

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Eternal fascism is the one true ideology

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>>128822060

Because there is still property in communism but it is personal property and its gained in a socially fair manner.

A communist society would free individuals from long working hours by first automating production to an extent that the average length of the working day is reduced and second by eliminating the exploitation inherent in the division between workers and owners. A communist system would thus free individuals from alienation in the sense of having one's life structured around survival (making a wage or salary in a capitalist system), which Marx referred to as a transition from the "realm of necessity" to the "realm of freedom." As a result, a communist society is envisioned as being composed of an intellectually-inclined population with both the time and resources to pursue its creative hobbies and genuine interests, and to contribute to creative social wealth in this manner. Karl Marx considered "true richness" to be the amount of time one has at his or her disposal to pursue one's creative passions. Marx's notion of communism is in this way radically individualistic.

>>128822428

That's not communism or socialism that's welfare social democracy in capitalism.

>>128818247
Oh yeah that's why the USSR had incidents of antisemitic street violence and Jews often fled to Israel.

>>128823778
Just because you are lazy spainard, doesn't mean everyone else wants your ideology.

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>>128818121
Reporting in Comrade! A spectre is haunting /pol/!

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>>128824437
not an argument

>faggots who live in hyper capitalist societys with an abundance of goods debate the ideals of starving under a dictator

Nono please go on and educate us on the benefits of communism you fucking retarded fuck

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>>128823778
Haven't seen you in a while Pedro, thought you might have gotten a job.
Nope, you're still here cutting and pasting.

>>128824437
It's so cute how you need adversity and authority to give your life meaning.
>being this closeted in their BDSM fetish

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Hello gomrades! XDDDD Dis general is for disgussion of margsism-lebonnism, da ideology of revolutionary socialism and gommunism.

Gommunism is da next stage of guckery following real society.

Wat exagtly is gommunism according to gommies:

>Gommunism is a stage of guckery in which the produgtive infrustrugture runs away from gommie country, and no goods are produced and beeple starve. XDDDD
>Gommunism in full form is obressive, statist society dat follows maxim "gib gib gib!" :DDDD
>To achieve gommunism we must replace broduction with murderous obressive rulers liek me, fug working glass beeple. XDDDD Struggle while I liquidate you all lol. When capitalists run away we win and I kill you all. Eventually the functions of state cease and state becomes murderous and indistinguishable from other gommies. Da state withers away liek da people.
https://www.gommies.gom/fug/
https://www.gommies.gom/starve/

GL uses philosphy of gib and starve, see here:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohfugme/

It is recommend you kill yourself so you can avoid starving.

Resources:
https://www.gommies.gom/ohshid/
https://www.gommies.gom/1984/
https://www.gommies.gom/guck/
https://www.gommies.gom/probaganda/
https://www.gommies.gom/XDDDD/
https://www.gommies.gom/wheresfood/
https://www.gommies.gom/benis/

-----------------------------------------
Da sdages of gommunism.

>Sdage one
Bourgers aren't allowed to vode :DDD but otherwise da system is digtadorshib of gommies. Everything is stole by digtadors and digtadors rule all.

>Sdade two
Withering
All beeple who aren't digtador glass starve. XDDD Once glass disabears and we steal everything more beeple wither away. Bolice begome unnecessary as beeple are dead lol :DDDDD Central blanning begomes unnecessary begause sgarcity caused starving. Money is all ours.

>Sdage three
Gommunism.
No beeple. No food. My money. Much benis.

>>128824228
>Oh yeah that's why the USSR had incidents of antisemitic street violence and Jews often fled to Israel.
Marx? Jewish
Lenin? Jewish
Trotsky? Jewish

https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
>In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

Go on and keep saying that communism isn't Jewish you fucking retard.

nah

>>128824684
So how is the glorious communist utopia gomrade.

>>128824732
How much longer do you think that genetic fallacy is gonna fly coming from a nation cucked by expansionist, property-owning oligarchs from day one?

>>128824684
/int/ pls

>>128824712

It is unironically sad that you had the time to type this

>>128824801
Oh just fucking grand ya know gummybear fields and chocolate rivers
Def not busting my ass 16 hrs a day and poor as fuck truuly a god given system.
I am so happy being a prole pls no execute CIDFA

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>>128824862
You want more evidence? Fine...

America's Communist Movement Owed a Lot to Jewish Support
http://www.myjewishlearning.com/history/Modern_History/1914-1948/American_Jewry_Between_the_Wars/Radical_Politics.shtml

Anti-Semitism
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/stalin/works/1931/01/12.htm
>In the U.S.S.R. anti-semitism is punishable with the utmost severity of the law as a phenomenon deeply hostile to the Soviet system. Under U.S.S.R. law active anti-semites are liable to the death penalty.

Bolshevik Propaganda
https://archive.org/stream/cu31924030480051/cu31924030480051_djvu.txt
>Senator Wolcott. Are they in favor of any particular religion?

>Mr. Huntington. Not the leaders of this movement themselves; no, sir. The leaders of the movement, I should say, are about two-thirds Russian Jews and perhaps one-sixth or more of some of the other nationalities, like the Letts or the Armenians. The assistant in the foreign office was an Armenian. Then there are the Georgians; that is, the so-called Gruzinians of the Caucasus, and the remaining number Slavs. The superiority of the Jews is due to their intellectual superiority, because the average Jew is so much better educated than the average Russian; and also, I think, to the fact that the Hebrew people have suffered so in the past in Russia that it has inevitably resulted in their cherishing a grudge which has been worked out by the movement.

Chinese Communism?
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/HTML-docs/chinese_communism.htm

Communism and the Jews
http://volokh.com/2011/10/29/communism-and-the-jews/

Communism was Jewish - Communism is Jewish
http://www.controversyofzion.info/communism_was_jewish.htm

Communism's Death Toll, and the Jewish Role in Bolshevism
https://youtube.com/watch?v=km6u4L1JsmY

A Jew in Mao's China
http://blogs.forward.com/the-arty-semite/159051/a-jew-in-maos-china/

Jews and Marxism - Socialism - Communism
http://www.come-and-hear.com/dilling/chapt11.html

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>>128818121
sage for commie fags

America will rule forever

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>>128824862
The Jewish Bolshevik Commies
http://trutube.tv/video/1013/The-Jewish-Bolshevik-Commies

The Jewish Century by Yuri Slezkine
http://books.google.com/books?id=9QNuiuhPzzIC&pg=PA175#v=onepage&q&f=false

Jewish Communists
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-communists.html

Jewish Founders of International Communism for the One World Order
http://www.jewwatch.com/jew-communists-founders.html

Jewish Pre-Eminence in the Political Left/Communism
http://www.holywar.org/jewishtr/commun.htm

The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html

Jewish Activists Created Communism
http://www.truthtellers.org/alerts/jewishactivistscommunism.html

Jews and Bolshevism
http://www.heretical.com/miscellx/bolshies.html

Jews and Communism
http://iamthewitness.com/doc/Jews.and.Communism.htm

Jewish Bolsheviks
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=cf7_1256305898

Jewish Bolshevism
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

Jewish Faces in Chinese Government
http://jewishfaces.com/china.html

Jews and Communism - The South African Experience
http://rense.com/general85/jcom.htm

Judaic Communists: The Documentary Record
http://www.revisionisthistory.org/communist.html

Karl Marx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx#Childhood_and_early_education:_1818.E2.80.931835
>Ancestrally Ashkenazi Jewish, his maternal grandfather was a Dutch rabbi, while his paternal line had supplied Trier's rabbis since 1723, a role taken by his grandfather Meier Halevi Marx.

Leon Trotsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trotski#Childhood_and_family_.281879.E2.80.931895.29
>He was the fifth child of eight of well-to-do Jewish farmers, David Leontyevich Bronshtein and his wife Anna Bronshtein. The family was Jewish but reportedly not religious.

List of Communist Jews
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_communist_Jews

>>128820321
This

I thought Franco took care of all the commies in Spain

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>>128824862
Where the fuck do you think you are you judeo communist?

Putin: First Soviet Government was Mostly Jewish
http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/Putin-First-Soviet-government-was-mostly-Jewish-317150

Putin: Soviet Government Was Mostly Jewish
https://youtube.com/watch?v=oIeYoF1VhHc

Sources on Jews and Communism
https://archive.org/details/SourcesOnJewsAndCommunism_700

Soviets Razed Churches, Spared Synagogues
http://henrymakow.com/001913.html

Stalin's Jews
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Stalin's Willing Executioners: Jews as a Hostile Elite in the USSR
https://www.darkmoon.me/2015/stalins-willing-executioners-jews-hostile-elite-ussr/

The Truth About Nelson Mandela – Communist, Terrorist, Murderer (With Jewish Handlers)
http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2015/06/the-truth-about-nelson-mandela-communist-terrorist-murderer-with-jewish-handlers-3170156.html

Under the Sign of the Scorpion - Jewish Communists
https://youtube.com/watch?v=lZj1emEb1-g

Vladimir Lenin Was Part Jewish, Say Declassified KGB Files
http://content.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2077413,00.html

Zionism versus Bolshevism by Winston S. Churchill
http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html

>>128824712
>>128825094
>>128825143

How many of you morons think leftists actually liked the USSR?

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>>128824862
>Implying the Soviet Union wasn't expansionist
>Implying communist leaders didn't indulge themselves at the expense of others.

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>>128824966
You must be new here. A lot of people must be considering how they are bumping this /leftypol/ thread.

>>128818121
>Spain
It's always the poor countries that post this shit. Living in a capitalist nation is great as long as it's not shit tier like yours

>>128825631
You mean it's always the same person every time.

>>128825532

"communism" is meant to be stateless dumbcunt

>>128825532
communism means no state no government no money no private property no cops no war no exploitation no corporations

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>>128825602
it's important to bump with anti-commie memes so newfags learn to hate communism

DIE COMMIE FAGGOT

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>>128823778
Interesting, thanks for the info,. I will definetly be reading more into Marx after my finals finish.

Btw is /leftypol/ still active? I used to lurk there for a while.

>>128825592

unique meme bro so true

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>>128825705
>>128825709

>>128825756
God you're fucking stupid. Just sage and the thread will never get more than 5 posts.

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>>128818121

We all know it's you ANTIFA

>>128823778
>Rodina
What?

>>128822060
This is a misunderstanding common about works from the time.
At the time " property " did not refer to your toothbrush, it wasnt a "the food on your plate belongs to the state" type deal.

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>>128825756
like this one?!

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>>128825917
>not using advanced memetics to redpill newfags and lefties
kys

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>>128825918
not an argument

>>128825141
>a bunch of Christian capitalist crap
>>128825521
>implying that instances are always true to their classes
Did you flunk out of comp sci 101?
Put your link spam and your muh righteous Protestant abstinence back in your colostomy bag and save it for your grandchildren.
>>128825521
>>Implying the Soviet Union wasn't expansionist
>>Implying communist leaders didn't indulge themselves at the expense of others.
>implying that any state within the Westphalian system of sovereignty isn't going to be a complete fuck of clusters
>implying that leaders who attempt to protect themselves against the people's will shouldn't be immediately Ceaucescued
>implying that leaders shouldn't be Ceaucescued by their people for any or no reason at all

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>>128825252
>Jew Watch
>IHR
>truthtellers
>rense
>revisionist history
>Metapedia
>>128825368
>Henry Makow
>darkmoon.me
>beforeitsnews

>>128825866
most of /pol/ is cletus and they'll be happy to take your house if it wasn't for false conciousness

>>128823778
Laika died in space.

>>128825368
>>128825252
Fake News

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>>128826084

>>128825141
Bolsheviks were funded by (((them))) only because allies wanted to destabilise russia during ww1 era so that german army would overexpand into russian territories + they wanted russia outed of the post war negotiations for dissolution of ottomans. Russia was promised to get the straits and under the new sykes picott agreement they outed russia.

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>>128825094
>>128825143
>>128825196
>>128825231
>>128825264
>>128825308
>>128825363
>>128825441
>>128825592

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>>128826062
>>a bunch of Christian capitalist crap
Said the Jewish Communist. We all know you Jews hate Christianity. Pic related.

Christians in Jerusalem Want Jews to Stop Spitting on Them
http://haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099


>>128826067
>>128826151
>oy vey goyim! whatever you do, don't go to those antisemitic sites that tell the truth about Communism's Jewish origins!

>>128826062
>Thread for the promotion of communism.
>Cannot demonstrate the superiority of communism over any other system of governance.
>Automatically assumes the ideologies of others.
>REEEEE's semi-coherently.
Bravo.

B-but what if the niggers say they need Lambs?

>>128825866
90% chance 'vlad' is one of those (((rootless cosmopolitans))) who arrived in USA during perestroika.

piss off

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>>128826522
>replying to the same post twice
kys poncho

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>>128826281
>Bolsheviks were funded by (((them)))
Bolsheviks were (((them)))

What do you Marxists think of the gradualist approach of the Fabian Society?

I know you guys aren't "in the club" but surely you've got opinions on your comrades struggle over the last 100+ years, especially after revolutionary failures all over the world.

Have any of you read the Fabian Tracts?

>>128826119
Laika was a hero.
>>128826163
Looks like they were busy spending money on a life-or-death struggle with the US and some obsessed recently-deceased psychopaths rather than feeding their people. Most South American leftists were in the same boat.

Lambos*

They will btw

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>>128826375
Lest we forget US interference in Latin and South America, Southeast Asia, and the Middle East

>>128824966
that is literally the end goal of marxism.

>>128826459
LE LOOK AT ME MOM IM LE TROLLING LE COMMIE JOO KIKE JUDEO-BOLSHEVIKS ON LE INTERNET XDDDD!!!!!11!!!! I'M LE EBIN TROLLMASTER EDGY REACTIONARY NAZI WHITE NATIONALIST ARYAN MUSTARD RACE XDDDDD I'M LE SAVING LE WHITE RACE AND WESTERN CIVILIZATION FROM LE COMMIE JOOS AND LE EBIN KIKE BOLSHEVIK MASS MURDERERS AND SAVING THEIR 100 BILLION TRILLION PEOPLE THEY PERSONALLY ATE FOR BREAKFAST AND LE FUCKING DUMBASS NIGGERS FARM TOOLS WORKING FOR LE JEWISH MASTERS LE SUBVERTING LE WESTERN WORLD WHITE CIVILIZATION BECAUSE LE KGB INTERVIEW MAN SAID TO XDDDD!!!!!!!1111!!!! I'M LE THROWING LE FUCKING NECKBEARD COMMUNIST WHITE NIGGER MIDDLE CLASS CHAMPAGNE SOCIALISTS LE OUT OF LE HELICOPTERS AND LE PERSONALLY LAUGHING AS LE THEY GET TORTURED TO DEATH BECAUSE I'M SUCH A HUMANITARIAN XDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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>>128826831
>that is literally the end goal of marxism.
Pic related is the end goal of Communism

I'll admit, I'm a natsoc, and for some reason communist-type females make me horny as fuck. The idea of rough fucking a communist into submission is maddening. I still fucking hate them though.

Please tell me I'm not the only one, I feel lile the tile fetish guy.

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>>128827196
*like

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>>128825484

>>128826459
>says the fake Jew
Atheist with mildly pagan leanings who thinks the Catholics ought to come through and crusade all of you for great justice.

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>>128827151
>LE LOOK AT ME MOM IM LE TROLLING LE COMMIE JOO KIKE JUDEO-BOLSHEVIKS ON LE INTERNET XDDDD!!!!!11!!!! I'M LE EBIN TROLLMASTER EDGY REACTIONARY NAZI WHITE NATIONALIST ARYAN MUSTARD RACE XDDDDD I'M LE SAVING LE WHITE RACE AND WESTERN CIVILIZATION FROM LE COMMIE JOOS AND LE EBIN KIKE BOLSHEVIK MASS MURDERERS AND SAVING THEIR 100 BILLION TRILLION PEOPLE THEY PERSONALLY ATE FOR BREAKFAST AND LE FUCKING DUMBASS NIGGERS FARM TOOLS WORKING FOR LE JEWISH MASTERS LE SUBVERTING LE WESTERN WORLD WHITE CIVILIZATION BECAUSE LE KGB INTERVIEW MAN SAID TO XDDDD!!!!!!!1111!!!! I'M LE THROWING LE FUCKING NECKBEARD COMMUNIST WHITE NIGGER MIDDLE CLASS CHAMPAGNE SOCIALISTS LE OUT OF LE HELICOPTERS AND LE PERSONALLY LAUGHING AS LE THEY GET TORTURED TO DEATH BECAUSE I'M SUCH A HUMANITARIAN XDDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Holy shit. I think the truth that communism is jewish drove this judeo commie insane.

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>>128827386
>africa is shit
>it's because of capitalism
>made up correlation with no causation
>pic related, it's you

>>128827196
I have a fetish for women in unifrms in general but not just any uniforms - I like specifficaly uniforms from totalitarian regimes, be it nazi germany or ussr

>>128818121
>>128827151
Communist retards need to fuck off.
You're a bunch of stupid children that fail to understand human nature.
Communism is impossible and no form of it is in any way desirable.
If you try to install a communist government you will be killed and buried in a landfill.
You don't deserve to be remembered. You don't deserve to exist.

>>128818121
You Marxist fucks have ruined your own countries, get the fuck out of mine

>>128818121
Kill yourself.

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>All these mad /leftypol/ posts.
This is great.

>>128827394
>>says the fake Jew
Jews are a race of course.

DNA Links Prove Jews Are a Race, Says Genetics Expert
http://haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/dna-links-prove-jews-are-a-race-says-genetics-expert-1.428664

Jews are a Race, Genes Reveal
http://forward.com/articles/155742/jews-are-a-race-genes-reveal/?p=all

>Atheist with mildly pagan leanings who thinks the Catholics ought to come through and crusade all of you for great justice.
Only people the Catholics need to crusade are the children of satan aka the Jews.

>>128827696
>le human nature
So cucked by 2000 years of (((selective breeding))) that you have no idea what perspective even is.
>>128827751
>Jews are a race
Hebrews are a race. Ashkenazim are a race. Jews are a corporation.

>>128827696
I'm not a communist.

>>128828147
>Hebrews are a race.
Jews of today are not the hebrews of the bible.

Hell, the religion of Judaism today is not the religion of the OT/NT

>Ashkenazim are a race. Jews are a corporation.
Jews are a race that in general acts anti-White when they have positions of power and authority. They created communism and have no place in White countries.

Capitalism is economic Darwinism, and it helps kill off the useless filth that couldn't make it on their own.

Communism will breed repugnant filth that is 100% dependent on free stuff, population will most likely boom as a result, and a shortage of resources will kill off everyone.

Communism is literal economic cancer.

>>128830504
>economic darwinism
>believes in private property

slowly point your hand holding the gun towards your mouth anon

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>>128818121
So many triggered kulaks, made Stalin really happy.

>>128831872
Seriously you faggots need to just die, your lives are worthless anyway

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PHYSICAL
REMOVAL
https://youtu.be/JR85quKbQO4
https://youtu.be/JR85quKbQO4
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>>128825765

Active and growing

take a look at /gnussr/ too

Posting in best thread in a while

>>128831872
bullets are for commies

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Reminder:
All these genius communists who think they figured out the world better than the previous 10 billion people alive are all bellow 19 years old. Some of them are as young as 13. These are the economist geniuses that think an economy where valuing resources is prohibited can work.

>>128818121
Communism is dead. Only China, Cuba, and North Korea remain. China is more capitalist out of those three.

OP please release us from the collective burden you bring to society and kill yourself.

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>>128818121
have fun in hell, commie bastards

>>128833257
Looks like it's the Mises-worshiping Brazilian faggot again.

>>128827579
centuries of colonisation with the goal of profit isn't capitalism?

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>>128833648
Can you tell me how do you know whether a good is worth its costs in a communist society? How do you know what to produce, how much to produce, and where to produce it? In fact, how can I vote on the costs other people will be forced to incur? How can I vote to force others to produce something for me?

Can you engage in your thread? Or will you keep hiding yourself day after day?

>>128830504
They say autism is an autoimmune disorder.

>>128833898
I'm not communist so I guess I'm safe

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>>128833648
Don't you get not even a tiny bit concerned to realize that a bunch of teenagers going through puberty think they know more than billions of people? What are the odds that the entirety of your beliefs formed by your little cult are wrong?

Could it be that the economics academia rejected the marxist framework for a reason? Maybe the millions of economists that went by and disagreed with marx had a point, which you purposely avoided looking for.

What do you think it's more likely? A cult composed of teenagers building their cognitive biases and avoiding to even think about the information that might prove them wrong; or millions of adult economists from multiple countries being wrong?

Could it be that an economy where nobody can profit from their investments to society, where valuing resources is prohibited, where hiring someone is illegal, might not actually be a sensible nor feasible utopia?

>>128818121
You seem to be lost, here's a map back home
https://endchan.xyz/leftypol/

>>128833825
Mises' complaint is all very interesting, in that his own neoliberalism is exactly
>a hundred little sub-gruops that could each claim, upon any criticism, that neoliberalism does not exist
>Can you tell me how do you know whether a good is worth its costs in a communist society?
Goods do not have a single intrinsic worth. Sartre said that words meant "how they were used" and so too are goods.
Separating yourself from other people is sociopathic. You are, or should be, voting on the costs that you ALL will be forced to incur, and it is hoped that your direct interest in those costs will align your incentives with those of other workers.
How is a vote any less moral or righteous than using the fear of the lash or starvation to coerce someone into doing stupid human tricks for money?
>>128834264
>think they know more than billions of people
>doesn't know about system justification theory
Give up, neolib.

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GET. OUT.

>>128834391
Can you answer my questions? How do you know whether a good is worth its costs in a true communist society?

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>>128834391
>How is a vote any less moral or righteous than using the fear of the lash or starvation to coerce someone into doing stupid human tricks for money?
It's that what you call a productive job? "stupid human tricks"? Boy, you sure will not go far in life. Perhaps communism is nothing more than the fear of work.You just want to vote into becoming a complete parasite.
When I don't buy a product, I'm not threatening someone with starvation. That person can readjust his life and choose whatever it suits him best. He's not actually forced to produce what I want. Nobody is. Meanwhile, when you vote on a totalitarian system that will force people to produce, you are actually forcing them based on threats of violence.

>forcing others to produce for me through a superstate is the same as not forcing others to produce anything to me and just being in a voluntary society
Talk about having a completely warped perception of reality.

>>128834601
>How do you know whether a good is worth its costs in a true communist society?
Goods have NO value out of context. Your question makes no sense in a world where there is context, such as human society or the physical plane. A good will have a different value in the context of exchange than in the context of use, both probably different from its value in the context of impressing superficial people through its possession. Worth, like affordability, are subjective matters.

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The entire world will be red.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNBjMRvOB5M

>>128835033
>productive job
Productive of what, for whom? Sitting at a desk pushing numbers around all day is not productive. It is, in fact, anti-productive.
>go far in life
Lick those soles harder, boy!
>Perhaps communism is nothing more than the fear of work
A disgust of meaningless work for its own sake is healthy. Know when to say when or become an addict.
>When I don't buy a product, I'm not threatening someone with starvation
When you emply someone, you are.
>He's not actually forced to produce what I want
Indirectly, he is, thanks to rents.
>forcing others to produce for me
Again with this autistic me-other nonsense. Get over yourself and join humanity.

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>>128835039
>hurr durr goods have no value out of context
Can you please then take a lower wage job for a longer working period? Oh wait that would reduce the amount of value you can get.

Oh, but that's right, that's only true in capitalism, correct? In communism value itself won't exist and will have no context, so you don't have to worry about maximizing the value each person gets, because you see, goods have no value at all out of context.

Boy, these 19yo ideologues dodging simple economic questions and being unable to explain even to most basic aspects of what they advocate for sure makes me feel more confident on them.

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>>128818121
Reminder that white "people" cannot be proletariat, and any white pretending to be leftists are merely LARPers who will be liquidated in the workers revolution.

>>128835408
>Productive of what, for whom? Sitting at a desk pushing numbers around all day is not productive. It is, in fact, anti-productive.
Top minds of communism. I wonder why emotionally and impulsive people like you with an IQ as low as yours always end up killing people by the millions. I wonder if rejecting the notion of value, adopting a dogmatic nonsensical definition of labor that states only manual labor that brings a lot of suffering can be considered real labor, might actually have some "unintended" consequences when applied to a society of million of human beings.

>>128818121
I actually admired Communism and Facism

>>128835408
And of course, once we achieve worldwide communism; there will be absolutely nothing stopping India and Brazil into voting so that a first world area like yours produces to supply to a third world are in poverty.

And you of course, will gladly accept this, and will work in a sweatshop nine hours a day to make electronics to an area in poverty because they voted you into slavery. After all, being forced to labor and not being forced to labor are concepts that are no different.

In fact, since we all want chocolate, we should just make the government force us to buy chocolate from enterprises like Nestle, and then prohibit them from firing people, that way less people are under threat of starvation. Because forcing you to supply money to an enterprise you might not want to and not forcing you to do just that is basically the same thing.

>>128835408
The big irony here is that you started by replying to that post about how the socialist position is just smoke and mirrors: >>128833825

And then you did just that. You made axionical claims that you in fact will reject whenever applied in a way that doesn't suit you. And you will start claiming that that's not what you meant, and then you will change your position completely. Your belief in socialism is just smoke and mirrors. It's 100% a cult-like belief.

Meanwhile, your retarded idea of "neoliberalism" is also smoke and mirrors, not created by "neoliberals", but rather created by people against neoliberals. It's a manufactured boogieman made precisely by the people against it.You are the one mastering the technique of conflating all ideas and concepts, obscuring the truth, and then fleeing to whatever it is convenient.

>>128835601
>Can you please then take a lower wage job for a longer working period? Oh wait that would reduce the amount of value you can get.
>because money is the only thing jobs are good for
I think we had this same discussion the other day, where your autistic obsession with numbers blinded you to subjective matters like more amiable coworkers, a shorter commute, more interesting work, etc.
>you don't have to worry about maximizing the value each person gets
You don't, autistic psychopath, because nobody's value is divorced from others. You all get value.
>makes me feel more confident on them.
You won't, because you come fishing here every day with the same stinky bait, and curse me for falling for it.
>>128835752
>Top minds of communism
>wonder if rejecting the notion of value
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/dec/14/new-economics-foundation-social-value
Rejecting the notion of value? That's weird. I reject the notion of unitary value, and any rational person would do the same. That we decide to sell some things but not others would suggest a permanent disjunction between use value and exchange value, would it not?
>>128835940
>once we achieve worldwide communism
That's your goal, not mine, neoliberal.
Your whole system breaks down without this autistic accounting stuff. It's more worried about finding excuses to deprive than finding ways to supply.
>nine hours a day
Is there that much work to be done, with automation? Tell me why people haven't gotten anything from allowing automation to go through instead of killing the automators.
>Meanwhile, your retarded idea of "neoliberalism"
Neoliberalism is the position that market outcomes are, by definition, the most optimal, which is pure autism.

>>128836734
What if we archived it

>https://theguardian com/business/2009/dec/14/new-economics-foundation-social-value
https://archive.is/fibTk

>>128818121
Autism speaks

>>128836734
>That we decide to sell some things but not others would suggest a permanent disjunction between use value and exchange value, would it not?
No, it wouldn't. And exchange is a use. There is literally not difference. "Use value" is an attempt to sneak subjective value theory into Marxism just under a different terminology.

Daily reminder that ALL white "people" are de facto members of the bourgeoisie and will be killed in the coming workers revolution.

>>128818121
Fuck your subversive kike ideology. how many more millions of white men do you fucking worms plan on getting killed this time around?

Sage

>>128836734
>>once we achieve worldwide communism
>That's your goal, not mine, neoliberal.
KEK.
Now you are retreating to nationalism to explain why your ideas don't actually apply to the real world? So, let me get this straight, you, stealing from the guy next door to you who owns a productive enterprise is OK, and then forcing people around you to labor better to suit your needs is ok, but if a third world country with more people than you decides to do the EXACT SAME THING; only towards you, then its not good? Can you confirm this here?

>Is there that much work to be done, with automation?
You don't understand how automation works, you are too stupid to understand almost anything honestly.

Can yiou please tell me how will you automate in a system that doesn't know whether a good is worth its costs or not? How do we know whether the lifetime production of a machine is worth more than all what was required to produce the machine? Do you not realize that automation is nothing more than investments in a capitalist society? I'm fascinated by how fantasious your views are. Tell me, why do you think North Korea hasn't started automating glorious vertical potato farms yet? Or Cuba? How come China, Cuba, and North Korea, never banned money, and how come they have the the least efficient farms in the world?

>>128837120
>And exchange is a use
So is using a table knife as a screwdriver. You're making a category error by equating all these different sorts of uses that are contingent on context.
>subjective value theory
What's wrong about this? Other than it doesn't force commerce into every aspect of life and every good or service into commerce.
>ALL white "people" are de facto members of the bourgeoisie and will be killed in the coming workers revolution.
As I understand it, Brasil is pretty colorful. Will there be a test card to check your skin tone? How well do you think you'll do?
>brb going to tan

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>>128837608
>owns a productive enterprise
>owns a social arrangement
Fail. Ownership itself is a social arrangement that we just happen to support most of the time, when it works out well in the interests of our social values.
>forcing people around you to labor better to suit your needs is ok
If someone has a need to spend more time working, let them do that. It's not going to buy them any brownie points and it's not going to make them a more valuable member of society.
>Is there that much work to be done, with automation?
>You don't understand how automation works, you are too stupid to understand almost anything honestly.
Industrial robotics tech here. Maybe you'd just better put your head in a press and push start now. I'll even disable the safety guards for you.

hi gommies how many wife's will i be supplied with to service me after the revolution?

>>128838345
You get one plus as many weekly trips to the gulag brothel as she will let you. :D :DD

>>128838129
Did you seriously ignored all the main points I made to slide into a discussion I wasn't even interested in having; again?

>OK, and then forcing people around you to labor better to suit your needs is ok, but if a third world country with more people than you decides to do the EXACT SAME THING; only towards you, then its not good?
>your answer: ?????

> How do we know whether the lifetime production of a machine is worth more to society than all what was required to produce the machine?
>?????
Your method of ignoring everything I say is not working to convince me, you little cuck.

>Industrial robotics tech here.
LARPING MODE ACTIVATED.
Can you please tell me how do you automate a factory the most efficient way; when you don't know the costs of any of the inputs? Is a machine that you can predict will make around X in its lifetime worth it, given it costs Y, without knowing X and Y?

It's almost as if your whole theories are utter nonsense. Maybe that's why you have to dodge all direct reasoning, and a direct explanation.

>>128838129
>Industrial robotics tech here.
Please, mr robotis expert, can you tell me why do the workers deserve the returns from the investments they chose to not make? I'm struggling to understand this very complicated marxist theory of exploitation. Maybe someone smart like you can explain to me.

>>128837664
>So is using a table knife as a screwdriver.
Yes, that is also a use.

>You're making a category error by equating all these different sorts of uses that are contingent on context.
No, I'm not.

>What's wrong about this?
It undermines all Marxist theory.

>Will there be a test card to check your skin tone?
DNA tests.

>>128838831
Because ownership is a spook.
Goodnight.

>>128836901
Hey there fellow Texas Good ol boy!
>>128837659
>vosh, oshea que losh CNT/FAI shun el mash mejorr shytema para eshte mundo, esh bien chevere! Viva la revolushhhhhion!
>>128838129
>pitiful
Why U still tryin to sum buster cuh? C'mon muh nigga! Dontchya kno our ass gon be Culled N sheeeiiit via Weaponized viruses N nanobots N sheeeewiit nuyeahhhhhhhguh?
There is no stopping the incoming "Great Cull"
>Georgia Guidestones
>reduce humanity to 500 million
>muh dik

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>>128838970
>industrial robotics tech
>marxist
>comes from a community where the average person is bellow 18yo
>can't explain how will automate in a marxist society
>doesn't understand the importance of market costs in industrial robotics
>bail out when asked for an explanation
wait a sec....

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>>128838970
Look at all these Industrial robotics techs.
Man, I wish I was as smart as one of them. I can't understand how a single one of their theories makes sense.

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>>128839389
Bigotry, ableism and hate speech is not allowed in this Ugandian wine tasting forum. Enjoy your b&, porra caralho!

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>>128818121
Good luck with that.

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>>128839924

>>128833724
There are plenty of colonies which have grown to be some of the largest economies with the highest qualities of life in the world. Some perfect examples are USA, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand.Capitalism isn't the problem, niggers are. Don't be stupid.