Climate Strange.

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>>128796786
>evidence

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>>128796786
Dumbing things down with pictures for the niggers.

>>128796786
Climate change is a hoax done by us to hurt the US economy. Trump was smart to pull out.

>>128796786
nice fake shit

>>128796786
>implying climate change isn't a cult

>>128796786
What does each smoke stack represent?

>>128797681
What's the carbon footprint of a Punjab shitting in the street?

Shills will avoid this thread because they literally have no comeback. Good job on dumbing it down for the "basement dwelling nerd virgins" OP

>>128797927
The employment rate.

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>>128797681
You have read and know nothing of the Paris treaty if you believe that's fake. Jagoff. The treaty deindustrialized the United States and subsidizes industry elsewhere to the burden of the US tax payer. It did nothing for Climate Change other than allow faggots that hate America to virtue signal.
Railing against everything Trump does makes you as retarded as those that suck his cock raw.

China and India are also supposed to reduce their emissions.

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>>128796786
+1 for filename

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47bNzLj5E_Q

Paris Agreement is bullshit. It does nothing to help the environment. It's a money making scheme.

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>>128796933
Are you seriously asking for proof of the common knowledge that China and India are the world's biggest polluter?

Are you gonna ask for proof the sky is blue?

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>>128796786

>>128799006
India has like half the emissions of the US. With 4 times the population.

>>128798275
"Supposed" to. What happens if they don't? Is Croatia going to enforce the accord and invade Beijing and Moscow?

Schills are schills. Europe can't distinguish it's own hand from its ass yet if climate change were real, they are supposed to help fix it?

>>128799048
>per capita
oh sweet child

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>>128799048
>per capita

>>128799179
China is spending billions on green technology. So far the only unreliable signatory has been the USA.

>>128797276
kek I wonder how many people are going to Hell for accidentally viewing a nekkid lady

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>>128796786
>this kills the ameritard

http://shanghaiist.com/2017/06/06/worlds-largest-floating-solar-energy-farm.php

Bup

>>128798275
Lol not before 2030. And they get gibs from the first world to build shitting streets. Oups I mean 1 billion dollar ~5 megawatts solar plants.

>>128799048
>Per capita
fuck off

>>128799006
>Are you seriously asking for proof of the common knowledge that China and India are the world's biggest polluter?

no, I'm asking for proof that the Paris Climate Accord affects them in the way that OP's image is suggesting.

>>128799048
>per capita
How convenient. When will the POOS learn?

>>128799048
per capita makes yours seem the least because you are popping out pajeets at a rate of 1000 per second

>>128799478
hi shang are you getting enough yuans from the party for your hard work?

>>128799489
India might get some aid but China isn't getting jack shit. It's meant mostly for even bigger shitholes than India.

>>128799048
So, youre using per capita just cause China has 1 billion... nice.. the planet always makes that division

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>>128799684
>china claims to be spending BILLIONS on solar and wind energy
>begs for gibs at paris accord

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>>128799006
USA is the bigest polluter per capita. And your picture claim china
have doubled their pollution. Where is the evidence?

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>>128799678
not an argument

>>128799324
So what, the chinks are spending their yuan. Any schlomo can do that. Where is the measurements that says it has actually made a damn difference?

>>128799324
They aren't spending shit. They are funded to purchase green technology from American companies by the American taxpayer. Hence faggot Corporations pissed off that Trump pulled out. It was a cash grab for everyone else but the United States.

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>>128799505
>I only like per capita when it suits me
Kys dumb burger

>>128799752
gr8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8

>>128799236
>>128799505
>>128799594
>>128799628
>>128799748
Sorry guys...

>>128799820
I mean, you're not fooling anyone.

>>128799563
the agreement cucks your economy and hands over billions to raise the human developmental index of another nation

also china and india dont have any restrictions

its basically communism...take wealth from one and give it to another

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>>128796786
everything is a scam to take out whites, the true global minority and the only real people. avoid jewish tricks at every turn.

>>128799324
At the end of the day it doesn't matter. Might makes right. This world mostly belongs to us, you are just along for the ride because it would be too costly to remove you, not that we don't have the capability to do so. This means we can fuck up the entire climate as much as we want to and blast off to Mars while leaving europoors like you to inherit a toxic planet.

>>128796786
Termites contribute 40x CO2 to the atmosphere than all human activity combined.

Not that is matters anyways because CO2 is what plants use to grow.

CO2 is 0.04% of the atmosphere
Human contribution is 0.004% to that 0.04%

>>128799944
global communism

holy shit they're really working hard for it

how jewish is macron?

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>>128799161
probably because they're dirt poor.

only reason US pollutes more is because libshit city faggots consume so much crap.

>>128797239
This is a irrelevant picture. We have no idea how those countries handel their finances. I know china is bulding alot of windpower that is state founded, usa maybe put it in their climate fund, insted of direct financing.

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This thread is being slid by chink shills.

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>>128799845
>>128799823
>>128799752
>>128799628
>>128799594
>>128799505
>>128799563
>Ameritards ignoring my post because reality is too harsh for them. >>128799478
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH
GO CRY TO DADDY ORANGE ORANGUTAN WHEN USA ISN'T #1 ANYMORE

>>128799161
Yeah but they are a developing country. They are only just now building a ton of coal power stations and shit. Over the next couple of decades their pollution is going to go through the roof.

>>128800180
>>"We have no idea how those countries handel their finances."

You aren't defending your argument well.

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>>128800334
>this is humor to communists

Anyone who supports Paris is a shill.

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>>128797298
Good goy you better keep polluting your living space while we breathe fresh air. How is that one thousand fold increase in autism feeling goyim.

>>128799823
They only started going green a few years ago. Before that they just pretended emissions didn't exist. It'll be a few years before they have enough renewable energy plants to make a difference.

>>128799845
What do you mean "They are funded"? I suppose solar companies are subsidised by the taxpayer or something? Then stop subsidising them. Anyway how is bringing more costumers to US companies a bad thing for US again?

>>128800348
We as in me and you.

>>128796786
I'm pretty sure chinas one belt one road initiative is just gonna export pollution to other countries to make themselves look better on global warming.

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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
1982

>>128798538
Bjorn Lomborg is a fucking beast.. the most underestimated climate sceptic.

>>128799854

>>I only like per capita when it suits me
>>Kys dumb burger

who are the per capita street shitting champions?

>>128800526
That wasn't what I was referring to. Assuming Climate Change was real; the fact that we don't know what countries contribute to their own climate disaster mitigation fund--while simultaneous holding the US accountable for not contributing enough--is in and of itself an unfair practice. Offering valid reason to pull out of the accord.

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>>128800083
>the world mostly belong to us

>>128800727
Human carbon footprint is about 4% of the global carbon output. So obviousely most natural sources of carbon are going to produce more CO2 than humans.

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>>128800435
Well fuck dude! China is leading the way to clean air and green energy then, Fantastic. I feel horrible that we're so backwards here.
Lead the way, we'll watch and learn.

>>128798117
Need the unedited version.

>>128800963
Yeah that what was i thouget you meant, that was i wrote we as in me and you and not the global community. I think there is some kind of ngo or what it's called that monitors nations

>>128801011
I mean sure you can use the whole "negotiate a new deal" argument but I seriousely doubt it's going to happen. Trump himself said climate change isn't real and the current EPA head has said that there hasn't been any warming since the late 90s (which isn't true).

>>128799478
>40 megawatts
t. 0.00006% of their electrical consumption
HOLY SHIT WATCH OUT CHINA BOUT TO SAVE THE FUCKING WORLD.

If climate change is such a real danger, why not just destroy the polluters.

Pollution is an act of war against your children.

Gas the polluters.

There's nothing to defend, it's a shitty picture based on 0 facts.

>>128801082
It would be easier to kill 50% of the termites to get a massive reduction in CO2

Doesn't matter

CO2 is good.

More CO2, more plants, more biodiversity.

We are at amongst the lowest CO2 levels in the climates history, there is no place for CO2 to go but up. 2500ppm is average.

>>128800987
>flag
Cuck

>>128801655
>>"There's nothing to defend, it's a shitty accord based on 0 facts."

ftfy

I don't understand why people are so agenst clean energy i mean nuclear is clean energy. I atleast want to go out during the day and breathe fresh air not air being poisoned evry second by cars and other shit. I hate to go into the city it's like breathing poison you can realy feel the diffrence when you get out to the suburbs again

>>128801655
China and India will not increase their CO2 output for more than a decade?

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>>128801772
>flag
kike pet

>>128796786
Yes, let's just be the only real country to drop out from a non-binding agreement that we were already half way to our nations goal for no other reason but to say fuck you to the world.

China and India are both way ahead of their goals. They are not increasing their pollution per capita, they are greatly decreasing it.

fucking trump shills.

>>128799800
Leafs. See
>>128799048

>>128800337
>Over the next couple of decades their pollution is going to go through the roof.

wrong. the chinese population will begin to stagnate. the population problem will be in africa bc of all the foreign aid they get

>>128801489
>implying this is the only green energy plant they are building
just wait for their new nuclear energy project to get going.

>>128802114
>per capita per capita per capita
The planet was about to overheat, but it was so proud of china's low per-capita output that it like just stopped warming. Wow.

>>128799048
BOGUS MAN

>>128801749
If only CO2 would increase than yea that would be good. But if the temperature also increases it becomes a bit more complicated.

>We are at amongst the lowest CO2 levels in the climates history
I suppose. But not human history. In the last 100 000+ years CO2 has stayed below 300ppm.

>>128802308
Oh we'd like to build more of those in the west but the same morons in favor of the Paris agreement will oppose the construction of nuclear plants here.

>>128801912
That's what you don't understand. I cant speak for "People" but I can speak for me. I'm not against clean energy when it doesn't conflict with other aspects of my life--jobs, finances, and various other freedoms.

Climate issues are toward the bottom of my personal political importance list right after medicinal marijuana legislation and what my country board plans on doing with one of its members calling rep John Lewis (D-GA) "A Racist Pig".

If it's so important than why don't climate schlomos go and crowd fund clean energy?

>>128802347
The temperature is still increasing the pase has just slowed down a bit

>>128796786
Trying to explain to my facebook niggers why giving a trillion away to shitholes is a bad idea....

just...FUCK

>>128802799
You can't read sarcasm, can you?

>>128798275
Wrong, they are supposed to reduce their rate they are increasing their emissions, and as someone stated earlier they don't have to meet any set goals until 2030. China doesn't even have to begin decreasing their growth rate until 2021, and even then the can delay it as much as they want. To put this in perspective if China's carbon emissions were a car, they didn't agree to drive under a certain speed limit, nor did they agree to stop pressing the pedal to the floor, they only agreed to stop increasing the horsepower of that vehicle while they continue to drive it at break neck fucking speed. Sounds fair right.

The paris agreement is the biggest joke of environmental policy ever concieved so bureaucrats can justify their over inflated salaries while climate scientists suck each other of, and I state this as someone who remediates industrial waste for a living. Carbon emission regulation is the biggest fucking joke and fails to address any actual hazardous substances being released by developing nations across the world. Fuck hippie environmentalists.

We'll spend 10 years trying to make some positive change on Climate Change only for another World War or Volcanic eruption away from undoing all that "progress". So why the fuck worry about it.

>>128800180
>I know china is bulding alot of windpower that is state founded, usa maybe put it in their climate fund, insted of direct financing.
You mean you THINK China is building a lot of windpower funded by the state. It's all smoke and mirrors. They've been caught before faking "green" projects and pollution reduction. Why should we trust them at their word?

>>128801912
>I atleast want to go out during the day and breathe fresh air not air being poisoned evry second

Much like the people living in Chernobyl? ;)

>>128799048
>per capita
having piles of poor people who worship toilets doesn't change the country's over the top pollution.

>>128802745
>thousands of billions of dollars througe crowd funding
>major overhauls of the whole economic system
>cooperation between nations

yeah right.

>climate change isen't real
>russia has built the worldes bigest fleet to operate in the north pool for something that won't happen. WoW

>>128802476
Then the problem isn't the Paris agreement, but the cucked leaders of the western "democracies" that don't invest in efficient energy like nuclear because of (((some reason)))?

gotcha

>>128803043
So what exactly did you mean with your comment?

>>128803193
>They've been caught before faking "green" projects and pollution reduction.
Examples? Not a big surprise but would be useful to know, couldn't find any on jewgle.

>>128803286
Yeah the air is fine there, the ground is the problem at chernobyl.

>>128803543
Right, and as far we are concerned, that is a perfectly reasonable stance to make. I will not accept government wasting money on pointless green initiatives when more efficient ones are available.

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>>128796786
kys dumbo

>>128799161
Are you talking about air pollution? Because there's more than just air pollution. The amount of shit [literal and figurative] they dump into their rivers that end up in the ocean is maddening. It's like the country itself is shitting into the ocean.

>>128803574
That the very idea of looking at per-capita emissions is fucking insane because the planet only cares about net emissions.

>>128796933
Quit. Does not work.

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>>128803831
Nice retort.

>>128803827
Okey some small none imported countries pollute more per capita. But the ones we talked about china and india pollute less per capita

>>128797239
Pretty sure the world's top polluter contributed $1 bn according to your picture

>>128799048
>per capita
Canada
25 x 34million = 816,000,000 total

India
3 x 1.25billion - 3,750,000,000 total

Good one

>>128803595
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-environment-idUSKCN12Q09T
http://www.naturalnews.com/052130_china_pollution_smog_CO2_emissions.html
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-power-emissions-idUSKCN0UV0XS
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/21/world/asia/21iht-smog.2550052.html
https://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2015/12/18/fuzzy-math-china-detains-10-alleging-pollution-fraud/
http://www.straitstimes.com/asia/east-asia/5-held-in-china-for-air-quality-data-fraud
This enough for you, Leaf?

>>128804259
No shekels today
>http://naturalnews com/052130_china_pollution_smog_CO2_emissions.html
https://archive.is/1j7BB
>http://nytimes com/2006/08/21/world/asia/21iht-smog.2550052.html
https://archive.is/Px7pC

>>128799478
Any news coming from China should be subect to scrutiny. Anything their government says will most likely be a lie. They recently got all up in arms about a Chinese exchange student in the US talking about freedom of speech/expression in the US and how it's awesome. It caused the Chinese government to engage in damage control by saying that suppression of speech and expression isn't as bad as this exchange student may have been implying.

They'll do whatever they can to make their country look awesome to keep the rest of the world from directing their magnifying glasses at China.

>>128803791
Honestly, if you have as much money as China and America you could simply invest in all of them.

>>128804259
By liberal rags, no less.

>>128804259
Plenty, will be useful in the future thanks.

Bp

>>128804138
Pretty sure those rounding out the top 5 contributed nothing. The US is shouldering all the financial burden; like NATO and like so many other things Europes Bureaucrats have had their hands on. So now you see the problem.

>>128804127
Chinks are overpopulated, they are in dire need of genocides, Japan should invade them again, they need to stop polluting by breathing as well.

>>128804308
>Honestly, if you have as much money as China and America you could simply invest in all of them.
And this kind of thinking is why you're nowhere near as rich as they are, hue.

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>>128803905
Yes ofc. But maybe it's hard to decrease you emissions when you already puting out very litel per person. It's probably easier for a country putting out 4 times more per person to deacrese their emissions. And each nation need to se the deal as fair, china want to develop their nation it cost alot of energy to do so. So they think they should be abale to provide the same standards for their people as in the usa. So the easiest way is to meet half way

>>128804593
China has always had a very large population during histroy. It's just a very fertily region

>>128802207
>Carbon is the only pollutant

Nigger you've never seen real pollution. Lithium mining alone will rape China's souls and destroy mass swathes of their potable groundwater. They really keep the actual damage done to the environment to produce green technologies under wraps and keep hammering carbon as the only real concern.

Carbon is maybe possibly a long term problem that will cause housing issues down the line, the accute affects of the actual toxins being produced are far more devasting to people and the environment. We only care about co2 because it's easy to track emissions and therefore easy to tax them.

>>128798275
>China and India are also supposed to reduce their emissions.
Only after 30 years of further industrialization where they would be directly subsidized by the American taxpayer. It's a scam by multinational corporations, period.

>>128804127
who cares about per capita?

shouldn't it be base on, for example, people who actually use cars or something?

Most people in India don't have toilets and definitely no car. I wonder how many people in China actually have cars compared to not...

>>128804692
I get that argument just fine but that doesn't change the fact warming will go above 2 degrees, making the whole agreement fucking pointless.

>>128804665
What is this?

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DAMMIT IM GETTING SICK AND GODDAMN TIRED OF THESE LOOTERS AND POLLUTERS
>US foreign policy in 2017

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>Canada after

>>128804138
Nigger China is currently 30% of the world's carbon emissions while the US makes up 14", and guess what the U.S continues to trend up whole other countries emission rates increase exponentially. If you're going to try and guilt us into paying for your shitty deal at least get your facts straight.

>>128804803
>it has always beein like this so it's acceptable
argumentum ad antiquitatem. it's decided, genocide it is then.

>>128801912
At the moment it's incredibly inefficient. Solar and wind generators I mean. When electricity runs through power cables, some of that current is turned into heat due to copper wires/cables resisting the signal. Aka impedance. The less electricity is impeded, the more electricity can make it to storage devices and electrical devices in general. From what I understand, the best alternative is Graphene. It resists electricity significantly less than copper does, which would make the aforementioned generators a more viable source of energy production.

At the moment, graphene is difficult to produce in large quantities since it's still a fairly new technology. Once it can be mass produced, then we can move forward in developing more efficient tech that would result in large scale energy production.

Kinda funny, the hippies that complain about pollution and wanting alternative energy sources could be the ones spearheading the change, but instead they'd rather take gender studies and psychology courses. Fucking hippies.

>>128805273
*trend down

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>>128799478
Why not just make it a flying system instead of a floating system for more idiocy.
In 5 years this article will be retitled "China pollutes ocean with expensive garbage."

>>128798117
Why does he have to label everything?
What happened to implications?

>>128802417
coastal flooding still sounds better than massive plant extinction desu senpai

>>128804692
Stat from Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_vehicles_per_capita


Canada: 662 per 1000 people

India: 32 cars per 1000 people

So using per capita for pollution doesn't make sense, simply because a persons main pollutant, I think, is their automobile.

>It's probably easier for a country putting out 4 times more per person to deacrese their emissions

Unlikely.

>>128804596
I meant more of a "research investing" than a "infrastructure investing". If solar or wind energy becomes more efficient it will be a fucking revolution.

>>128804839
I really don't care if China destroys it's soil and water. The only things that matters for the rest of the world are emissions of CO2 and other gasses. Even aerosol pollution is China's problem to solve.

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>>128799854
I hate per capita as is.
There is literally nothing to gain by dividing any statistic by population unless it's race.

>>128805345
The storage devices are a huge issue as well, unless we start space mining or completely redesign our batteries getting enough precious metals to create country wide storage arrays will be damn near impossible. I'm hoping we start more work into developing biobatteries.

>>128799006
Silent Hill.jpg

>>128805345
Graphmeme's advantages have nothing to do with transfer losses, and nobody is considering changing copper cables for graphmeme cables. Their advantages come in the form of the storage device itself, because *in theory* it's electric storage capacity is absurdly high, and its recharge rate too, and it's not affected much by temperature, and should last a very long times, and shouldn't use any/much rare earth metals, and losses when storing/decharging should be low. All *should*s.

Bumpz

>>128805469
>if
t. if
Hell research in fusion has more potential. Wind and solar are fundamentally limited by the source of energy they exploit, only real possible improvement is cost. Possible.

>>128796786
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WKoj-kodBw

>>128805425
Because he knows his average reader is dumb as dirt. Our local newspaper used to publish his political cartoons a few decades ago and none of them were labelled.

>>128805721
Yeah airborne pollutants have never caused wide spread global issues before.

And I care fat more about a country of a billion people having water and food crisis because they destroyed all their resources through blind greed, because I can guarantee they aren't going to just give up and die after they finish strip mining their own land and central Africa.

Carbon will not make our land barren and water toxic, it is a misdirection from real issues facing developing nations. Seriously, try to look up the cradle to grave environmental impacts of producing a smart phone, shit is harder to research than building your own automatic rifle.

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>>128805450
See pic latest date from 2000 to the right. Canada had 15.1 during the same time. Sweden 520 cars per 1000 canada 662. Ofc you may be driving longer in canada but a country as the us could easily make electric cars tax free and bonus for evey car sold.

>>128804307
The US on the other hand...

>>128799048
Do you think the planet gives a shit about per capita?

>>128796786
> moving the pollution to 3rd world countries is a bad thing.

>>128806404
>posting some retarded youtube video list to refute anything
respect yourself pls

>>128796786
Easy fix
>instead of deporting Mexicans, make them work on building the wall
>build the wall
>put solar panels on the wall

>>128806404
t. Sex stew enthusiast

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>>128799478
>solar

Bum p

>>128805450
You have to include energy production, use of wood stoves, industrial emissions, agriculture etc.
The difference is that India is poor as fuck so they mostly produce CO2 emissions by breathing. Meanwhile the developed world produces a lot of CO2, mostly by consuming tons of energy, but we also work on energy efficiency and "green energy" technologies to reduce emissions.

The Paris Accord was basically letting kike middlemen jew the USA for billions, shaving their fee off the top and giving the remainder to China and India without any stipulations they ramp down their pollution.

it was a jew scam, like many green energy alternative energy schemes are.

want to talk about going green? lets talk about building nuclear reactors then, fellahs. I mean modern facilities, not ones built in the 1950s or built by commies which have the problem of being old and less well constructed.

>>128805345
>copper cabales

is there any diffrence between power sources here? I mean evry powerplant sends it's power over the electric grid

>>128807300
Yeah no he was full of shit. It's intended to be used for storage, which is itself mostly only useful with solar/wind since the other sources you can toggle their output to some extent.

>>128805823
Or we just go with fusion.

>>128799048
> GHG emissions
as if that really means anything

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>>128801102
>China is leading the way to clean air and green energy

>>128800963
Leftists hate that Trump pulled out of the agreement more because it was Trump who did it, rather than muh climate change. Hating Trump for existing is a huge rallying point for the left right now, despite the fact they seem to have forgotten everyone is sick of their shit and acting indignant and arrogant as usual will be a loss for them going forward. After Comey's testimony on Thursday is a big nothing burger I wonder how the conspiracy will shift.

>>128807620
Just to sum up the shill replies:

1.) "...but nuclear"
2.) "kys dumb burger"
3.) "Per capita Per Capita PER CAPITA"
4.) and some Denmark kike that can't gleam info from a picture. >>128804138


I didn't have high expectations for a defense from the climate hippies. Dodged the bike lock again.

>>128808358
How can nuclear be shilling are you literally employed by big oil or what?

>>128806591
Doesn't have to give a fuck what anyone thinks

>>128798117
I just noticed hillary's shoe....

kek

>>128798087
Under fucking rated. Get this man some tits.

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>>128803827

I am so proud punching above our weight.
Green planet! Go CO2!

>>128799884
which ever Indian you are out there. You are alright, bud.

>>128805084

le 97% meme

>>128806561

there's no way you could do that unless you built 3000 more coal plants. electricity doesn't grow on trees Sven.

>>128800180
>windpower
>no idea...their finances

well its wind power, so they are throwing their finances away

>>128796786
nice fake shit

>>128800477
>whole ppms CO2 are "pollution", goy
That's what people are taught to believe, unironically.

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>>128809597
When you can tell me how you plan on getting every industry off of oil/coal and on nuclear, that won't put them out of business or cause them to lay off more than half of their workforce to afford it, and make sure every industrialized country will make the same exact effort and contribution--dollar-for-dollar, yuan-for-yuan, ruble-for-ruble; then you will have my attention.

I do not work for big oil.

Bu mp

The agreement just asks that countries reduce their total carbon output. There are different ways to do that. In China's case, they are reducing the amount of coal they're importing and heavily investing in renewable resources. For example, their investment in solar energy in the immediate future absolutely dwarfs the US'.

>>128797927
Fertility rate

>>128796786
There really is nothing to defend. It was basically the equivalent of a global virtue signaling. No country has any obligation to do anything. Still glad trump pulled out of it though just to send a message.

You fags can do whatever you want! Don't you just love freedom! Hell even American states and cities can go along with it. If my home state/city still goes along at least I'll know who to vote against in the next cycle

>>128799478
"Hey Fung, the coal is arr gone!"
"I know what, ret's put huuuge sorar paner farm over toxic brownfields! Give Riberals huuuuge boner so they buy more iPhones! Plus, now we no have explain carcinogenic nightmare."

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>>128796786
>your graph
Not to mention the US has been using smoke stack scrubbers since the 70's, and no such environmental regulations are found in 3rd world shit farms. These people are such suckers for the NWO, the globalists hand out government grants and the like, then tell the scientists what they want to see in their research. Fucking normies watch this shit and believe whatever they see on tv. Fuck my nuts, this world is a flaming catastrophe.

>>128799944
Do you realize the switch from coal to solar and natural gas has actually made a net gain in the number of jobs in the states that produce the US' energy? I live in West Virginia, one of the energy hubs of the country, and there are more jobs now that the government has started to lower its emissions than there were before.

>>128813885
Nuclear is much cheaper then oil

>>128800180
>wind power
it's a giant meme
anyone that knows how wind works could tell you it's stupid

>>128799887
It's true. China's investment in renewable resources is crushing the US'.
>inb4 you disagreed with me so you must be a shill or a commie

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>>128815073
Everything has its price.

Blump

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>>128805425
I love images that have no labels but have a easily identifiable message
like this one

>>128799048
per capita literally means nothing compared to total output

>>128796786
I always laugh how people think, that an international agreement which puts a price on carbon emissions, is the right, or even acceptble action to be taken on this matter.

Yeah, a bunch of men in suits talking shit is really going to get something done. Instead of investing in renewables or new technology their best solution is another useless tax, which the money from, gets spent on God knows what.

Its a bunch of shit that makes them look like they are doing something, when in reality all it does is pass the costs on to the consumers.

Its just another way for the UN to fund their globalist agenda whilst making it look like they care to the sheeple.

Did any post any articles where a UN official says it's about redistributing wealth and not about climate change? That should easily settle the debate.

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>>128799048
>Per capita

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>>128799800
>per capita
>pollution
that LITERALLY means nothing
the only thing that matters is total pollution and in what types

>>128800146
>talking about something literally every American is guilty of making worse
>manages to make it about liberals
I swear, conservatives on here are just as bad about party-blaming as liberals.

>>128797298
He didnt pull out of marla maples tho.

>>128804138

China pollutes twice as much as the USA

>>128800727
>fallacy of relative privation
This shouldn't change how humanity views its own emissions.

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>>128797239
>1 billion to save the planet
>OMG TOO EXPENSIVE IT WILL KILL OUR ECONOMY

>want to pay billions to found the wall that doesn't even include maintenance
>Its fine buys, is a worth invesmet. Is not like mexicans gonna use tunnels or planes

american education

>>128796786
>>128797239
And how much has America polluted the world in the century and a half since the industrial age?

>>128799236
>>128799306
>>128799505
>>128799594
>>128799628
>>128799748
>>128803487
>>128815695
>>128815820
>gets btfo
>HUR DUR standard method of measuring is not convenient
>proceeds to use nigger crime rates because HUR DUR

>>128806776
Yeah. It's why the world signed up to the Paris Accord.

>>128800915
Nice deflection

>>128808168
>Leftists hate that Trump pulled out of the agreement more because it was Trump who did it, rather than muh climate change.
That's not true. As a liberal, I would have been upset if Bernie Sanders himself had been the one to pull us out of it.

>>128799944
China and India don't have restriction because they're still going through the industrial phase.

The western world has already been through that and have polluted the world more times than India and China put together.

>>128817114
>>gets btfo
>>HUR DUR standard method of measuring is not convenient
>>proceeds to use nigger crime rates because HUR DUR
per capita pollution doesn't mean anything when comparing total national pollution
especially when 80% of indians don't even have a car

>>128814945
>Not to mention the US has been using smoke stack scrubbers since the 70's, and no such environmental regulations are found in 3rd world shit farms.
And yet, we're still polluting way more than those third world countries. It's our lifestyle that is doing it.

>>128817114
>America pollution
China has BTFO'd american pollution since the beginning of the 20th century

also
>per capita

>>128815073
and safer in terms of deaths per megawatt directly caused by energy production

>>128801921
To meet their power consumption needs? Obviously they would, just like we have. The difference being they will cut their emissions in favor of solar or some shit whereas we just niggered out on coal and put the world in the position it is in.

>>128796786
Trumpshills not welcome on this board. Labbit is that way. Fuck off.

I hope those ice caps melt, direct route to do trade with Russia. Damn pesky icebergs.

>>128807943
Not an argument.

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>>128817114
no need to argue with these faggots
the paris climate thing has an element of charity to help poorer areas get green energy <- something they fundamentally reject, everything else is just excuses
>per capita is useless, use total by nation
>china splits in 23 provinces into 23 countries, then reunite under CU (similar to EU), suddenly gains 23x greenhouse gas emission capacity

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>>128816905
Shut up taco-nigger. You're just mad your poor ass has to pay for it.

>>128817552
Someone else being worse than us is no excuse to avoid improving ourselves.

>>128801584
This is un-ironically the only solution but the band of pussies here think a few solar panels will fix it all.

>>128818158
>not addressing his point and instead attacking his nationality

>>128817393
So then what's the point? You're surprised that a country of 1 billion have a high pollution rate?

>>128817552
>beginning of the 20th century
Excuse me. You can't even argue that western countries have polluted the world more in a century than either india or china.

>>128818047
I've noticed. The first couple of pictures are straight up bullshit with no context.

>>128818243
A voice of reason. Good on you.

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>>128816905
>only a billion

Mexican intellectual at its finest. go hang some bodies underneath a bridge.

>>128801584
You're saying we should gas the US after gassing China?

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>>128796786
>climate change threads

>>128817603
Oh boy you're so naive.

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>>128818361
>attacking his point
I attacked his point. He's paying for the wall. Besides, kill yourself you fucking cuck. We don't need your kind in the future of our American Reich

>>128818697
So naive that India has already cut a dozen projects involving coal because of the historically low solar prices atm.

Nobody has said they won't up their co2 emissions because it is impossible to not to when you're still trying to give your people reliable power. The difference being they can keep it in check and switch to more environment friendly methods.

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>>128818770
>I attacked his point.
You definitely didn't. All you did was speculate why he made the point to begin with.

>>128798117
those thighs on merkel are hot desu

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>>128816905
The ones who still try to cross will be made into slave laborers to work on the wall. I would honestly prefer no wall myself though, invading Mexico and killing the majority of you sub-humans would be ideal.

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>>128819179
One, We pull out of the treaty to avoid wasting money. Rational decision that makes the fags in the us so butthurt, they pledge to do more green energy, then what would've happened if we stayed in the treaty and with out shitty gov. deadlines. Second, the wall is a good investment, every country should have a fortified and staunch border to keep illegals out. The amount of money we'll pay, will be so miniscule to the amount mexico has to pay if it doesn't wanna get butt blasted by all of our economics aids to keep that shit country afloat.

>>128817114
Per capita doesn't matter because the climate doesn't give a shit if Joe Q. Burger is farting out more CO2 per capita than the 5 zillion pajeets shitting out pure methane gas in their designated shitting streets.

In fact, most climate scaremongers are PRO third world immigration into developed countries, which would only increase their carbon footprint as pajeet and Lo Wang gain access to more shit to emit carbon with, and then they turn around and say this will somehow HELP end climate change.

>>128803827
We need to work on being #1 per capita.

>>128819136
Well then that's exactly what I said, or implied. Their emissions will keep increasing. They aren't decreasing their emissions, they're not keeping them stable, they're just increasing them at a somewhat slower rate.
Plus the fact that they're corrupt shitholes that
1-wont spend the money they get in gibs the way it should be spent.
2-will not reduce their emissions
3-will make several bullshit green projects like china already did
4-lie about their true emissions.
Hell even the EU lies about their emissions.
You're very naive.

>>128796786
What I don't get, is that whenever someone recommends terraforming some other planet and slowly moving humanity there or at least having it as a backup
Or anything along that lines really

Why do climate change supports never have anything to say to that? they always change the subject or start screeching about race or something.

>>128819728
How will Mexico pay for the wall. I think the answer is tariffs and import taxes. If that is the case, please explain how the introduction of new tariffs or increase in old tariffs will not cause a reduction in exports from Mexico. If it isn't tariffs / import taxes, then what is it?

>>128820211
Try talking about nuclear energy to an environmentalist, they go bat shit insane. Isn't the endgame to leave the planet?

>>128817114
>And how much has America polluted the world in the century and a half since the industrial age?
yeah, so america should be punished for pollution in the past, while china and india can get away with however much fucking pollution they want right now in what world does that make sense?

>>128799478
Someone needs to say it. What does this do to the plankton that need that light, and what does this do to the fish that eat the plankton?

>>128819728
Investments in renewable energy and natural gas in the US has actually resulted in a net gain of jobs. More jobs leads to a stronger economy. Besides, our government wastes a lot of money on our bloated military, so it's not like overspending is actually an issue in their eyes.

The wall is a terrible waste of money. The vast majority of illegal immigrants are here on now-invalid visas - most are getting here legally and then just refusing to leave. A wall won't help that in any way.

Mexico won't pay a cent even if it somehow gets built. Why would they? Their economy is based on jobs provided by greedy US companies. The US government can't use that as leverage because big businesses are lobbying Congress to keep it legal.

>>128799563
>no, I'm asking for proof that the Paris Climate Accord affects them in the way that OP's image is suggesting.

The paris agreement is non-binding and allows countries to set their own standards, ergo China, Russia and India would have signed it and then walked away chuckling while they intentionally failed to meet even their lipservice goals. Meanwhile, in America environmentalists and anti-American interests could use the agreement to set even higher emissions restrictions that would have to be met, since the American government does actually care about emissions and public opinion.

Get informed, dumb cunt.

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>Why do climate change supports never have anything to say to that?
The amount of manpower and resources required to not only terraform an entire fucking planet but also transport enough people there to ensure its stability is incalculable.

>>128820319
You're right in it will be tariffs and import taxes. But the reason why we won't see a reduction in exports is America is Mexico's largest buyer. Not to mention the surrounding nations by Mexico don't have shit and aren't gonna import anything.

>>128820211
>>128820404
I've brought up terraforming in this context before. I've never had a decent reply from my opponent when I celebrate the potential revolutions in Terraforming that Climate Change would make necessary on the off chance it isn't manufactured bullshit.

>>128800180
>wind power

Hahahahahaha

>>128820492
Clean energy is worth whatever miniscule amount of harm it could do to the ocean's ecosystem.

>>128808358
>gleam

>>128819840
>Autism the post
Just because you insert /pol/ memes into your argument doesn't mean it's coherent.

>>128820095
Bruh the emissions have to rise for developing countries. That's a fact that you understand, the only way it'll get lower is by completely stopping any new investments into the field and that'd just impractical considering how many of their people still need power.
>won't spend the money properly
Both India and China are already investing their own money into cleaner methods. Why the fuck would they then take the money and lie?
>won't reduce emissions
Again, literally impossible for developing countries. The best they can do is keep it checked. There is a reason why India only agreed to the accord within the last year, it would be unsustainable for India to go with that plan if their aren't any aid being given.
>bs projects
Opinion not fact
>EU lies about their emissions
Source? I'm legitimately curious, haven't heard of this besides that deal with Volkswagen and other companies.

>>128820447
Because America has already used and abused the coal industry to further it's economic development with no regard for the environment for decades. Ditto for every other developed countries. Now those same countries that are economically stable at the expense of the world are telling burgeoning economies that they can't do the same because of muh environment. This accord is unfair. But only to developing countries.

>>128798179
Your gay af mayor going to foot the bill now. Laughable. Go pens!

>>128796786
Solar and wind power are more polluting than coal and oil.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-06/more-solar-jobs-curse-not-blessing

>>128821559
>dude it's ok if brown people emit more CO2 for the foreseeable future because it just wouldn't be fair if we didn't let them!
I thought the planet was going to die any second now? What happened to that sense of urgency?

It's almost like this is some kind of lefty scheme to redistribute wealth and resources or something...

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>>128817927
>he thinks I'm going to bother arguing

>>128796786
The purpose was never to reduce "carbon" production. It's a global wealth re-distribution and tax/trade scheme.

>>128821908
Nowhere in that article does it claim solar and wind pollute more than coal and oil.

>>128821985
If it was the other way around you'd think differently. I mean America is already a developed country and has the resources to have cleaner methods of power and look at much you guys are chimping out at just the thought of switching.

>>128822301
Okay.

>>128821559
>bs projects
>oppinon!!!
Did you pay any attention to the thread? A burger already posted examples of them doing that.

>BUT IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE!!!
Then op's picture is right

>Source?
Themselves. They outright say they consider wood plants "carbon neutral". If you claim that's just misleading and not lying, ill assume you're a lawyer.

>>128822785
Link me the bs projects, I don't care what some other fag said, I'm talking to you.
And I'm not denying ops picture, all I said was that it wasn't given with context. Only idiots would take that picture for what it is. The cost was of completely cutting coal out of the equation for India or even china would be billions upon billions of dollars. More money then the entire accord can even finance. This was the comprise for the common good.

>>128799048

>per capita

so you're advocating genocide for browns then panjeet?

>>128823504
Oh sure they couldn't possibly do more, but the point that the accord is an unenforceable piece of garbage where even if everyone does exactly what they're supposed to, even if they gauge their co2 output properly, and even if it actually correlates with a warming of 2 percents, we have to cross fingers that this wont be too much for a positive feedback loop.
China, the US, and India would all have to cut their emissions more than they are already planning to. And they wont, and their emissions will keep raising.

>but I am talking to you.
It's a thread, it's meant to be a discussion as a whole holy fuck.
>>128804259

>>128799048

>le cherrypicking

have you seen the climate in canada? we have to heat all winter as not to freeze to death

if iceland, sweden, norway etc were individually represented i'm sure they're higher than us

>>128824779
>>per capita
>
>so you're advocating genocide for browns then panjeet?


How does that follow?

>>128825603

>presenting per capita stats as his argument
>not intending to mean its a per capita problem

which it is

>>128824840
So then what's the solution? Not do anything and keep up with our current plan of polluting the world with our unchecked coal industry?

And those links only deal with China, who has a noted history of draining millions of dollars into retarded projects for the hell of it. I'm of the opinion they don't need financial aid, India does however, they aren't yet on that level where they can finance it themselves.

I've got a question for you and this is in regards to India. Why would they agree to this accord, which pretty much fucks them over in their economic development. Unless the financial aid they're getting far exceeds how much of that capital they're throwing away by switching t9 coal (which it isn't, not even close) then it makes no sense for them to make it harder on themselves.

>>128826035

our coal industry ISN'T unchecked in the west

we're on the forefront of cleaner energy just due to wealth and technology

if you wanted less pollution the USA should be regulating the world not the other way around

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>>128796786
US Paid $1B to Green Climate Fund, Top Polluters Paid $0

The United States contributed $1 billion to the global Green Climate Fund, but the world's top polluters contributed nothing, David Asman reported.

Asman said on "Forbes on Fox" that China, Russia and India contributed no money to the Green Climate Fund, yet that international community pressured the U.S. to join the Paris Climate Accord.

Steve Forbes said that the billion-dollar payment is another reason why President Trump was smart to withdraw the U.S. from the Paris agreement.

>>128796786
Paris Agreement was bullshit, but we do need to preserve the environment.
Of course, nobody is willing to take the only actions that could actually work--radical depopulation. And no, that doesn't mean giving shitskins a free pass. If anything, we need to be dropping bombs on Africa instead of food aid.

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>>128799048
>per capita

Oh sweet baby Jesus.

>>128826457
>our coal industry ISN'T unchecked in the west
>we're on the forefront of cleaner energy just due to wealth and technology

Exactly. Because of our wealth and technology that was aided by our unchecked use of coal over the past century. We've already done the damage, now we're just telling less developed countries they can't go that same route because now we believe in climate change whereas when we were developing, climate change could go fuck itself.

>>128826700
>what is historical pollution for 900, Alex.

>>128797927
Dead popes

>>128799161
>India has like half the emissions of the US. With 4 times the population.
You forgot to add in the emissions of 800 million turds a day

>>128827362
What a totally new and creative joke!

Guys, I read the agreement. It's nothing.

>>128826024

>implying genocide is the solution

which it isn't

>>128799048
This actually isn't as irrelevant as the tards in this thread are making it out to be. However this actually displays the very reason the Paris Accord was complete bs and great that Trump pulled out.

Fucking solar panels aren't going to be powering industry on a large scale anytime soon. So instead of sending that money abroad, investing it here in the US would have a vastly greater impact for residential purposes and actually reduce CO2 emissions. Funny how nobody, especially MSM likes to point that out.

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>>128799048
WTF leafs! Get your shit together!

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>>128797239
What is this picture about?

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>>128796786

It OK, Sub-Saharan engineers are working around the clock on a time machine to solve global warming by forcing civilization to regress back to prehistoric times.

>>128827131
>now we're just telling less developed countries they can't go that same route

See this is the fundamental difference between ideologies. I'm not going to tell someone what to do just because of I think my morals and ideals are superior. Unless they are committing war crimes, or being a threat directly to me I'll just mind my own fucking business.

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>>128799048

Why do Jews and leftists want to bring mass non-European immigration into White countries so bad - don't they know it's allegedly bad for the environment?

>>128830416
I agree with you but steps needed to be taken to reduce the damage we're doing to our planet. And this is their greatest attempt at it.

>>128830529
You guys should've thought of that back when you were invading foreign nations for their wealth :p

>>128807275
>>128807620
>>128813885
>>128815073
>>128815395
all these faggots don't know about molten salt LFTR reactors kek, cheaper than oil and magnitudes more efficient than solid fuel breeder reactors (and redundantly safe)

>>128830675
It still doesn't change the fact that this organization has absolutely no teeth. Not only is the US fronting most of the bill, but no one is following the rules. What's the point of continuing something that no one listens too.

>>128831273
Is America footing the majority of the bill? How much is it? I genuinely don't know.

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>>128830790

So you admit that Jews and leftists should be immediately deported out of White nations right into Africa, etc., since they fail to see the interest in keeping White nations; good, now we are finally getting somewhere.

>>128804692
chinas pollution doesnt come from the chinks starving to death in the vast fields all over the country, it comes from the incredibly dense and toxic cities that all the shit is taking place in. it doesnt matter that not everyones contributing to the problem, what matters is that the few that ARE fucking shit up are doing it as such an astronomical rate. if you wanna be retarded and say itd be easier for us to reduce our emissions fine, but you also need to concede that knocking their cities down a notch would also net at least noticeable results in their air quality

>>128819179
he did and youre retarded anon

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>>128799048
peek-a-jew, I NAME YOU!

>>128799048
fucking leafs

>>128800261
what can we do with the pic in background. Also bump.

>>128830529
No wonder why you are the new western wagecucks Portugal.
You are just downright stupid.

You know how to stop overpopulation?
By increasing improving living conditions.
It is historically speaking the only proven thing that stops dirt poor fucks from flooding earth with babbies.

OP is right

/period

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>>128802308

Just wait for Sub-Saharan Africa to more than double it's population by 2050.

>>128803543

The real problem is Negroids breeding like rabbits then invading K-selected subspecies' nations at the avail of kikes and terminally mentally ill leftists, culminating in the failure of the species.

>>128819555

Does anyone think Al Gore actually flys Southwest Airlines?

>>128815865
Good luck negotiating a deal where smaller countries can do whatever the fuck they want and bigger countries have to foot the bill.

>>128806591
Doesn't have a completely controlled media and free speech thus wouldn't be able to get away with frauding green industry projects completely like the Chinese.

>>128821207
>fucking with plankton
>minuscule

nigga..

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>>128835331

Oh yeah, let's extrapolate onto fundamentally different races as if all races were the same because magic because it worked so well for Haiti or more recently in South Africa; oh wait, it didn't end well because there's no logical reason to expect the same comparable levels of results from differing races.

So now you're left with a failed species all because your fee-fees, congratulations, collectively suicidal nihilist.

>>128835331
This depends solely on their intelligence. The stupid will fiki

>>128835560
>thinking niggers are the same species as us

that iq result is nigged as fuck and flooded with retarded niggers canceling intelligent whites.

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>>128836289

Yes, and they will fiki-fiki to the point of demographically drowning the actual people keeping the abstraction popularly known as "Humanity" afloat like they did in Haiti, unless Whites shut their nation's borders ASAP and start deporting Jews and terminally mentally ill leftists to Sub-Saharan Africa, since it is effectively the very future they are ensuring not only for all White nations, but for all of the planet.

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>>128836387

Indeed.

The greatest problem not only of our times but in all of human history are the great Globalist interests working around the clock to ensure all of that cultural enrichment will be able to invade and colonize White countries out of existence as a means to perpetually enslave the planet.

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>>128837617
>The greatest problem not only of our times but in all of human history are the great Globalist interests working around the clock to ensure all of that cultural enrichment will be able to invade and colonize White countries out of existence as a means to perpetually enslave the planet.

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>>128837779

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>>128837954