How do you politically define consciousness?

>>128764400
When can I buy robot sex slave

>>128764689
We are getting very close, closer than most realize.

>>128764400
B-Barron?

>When does the programming and and true consciousness begin?

When we don't program certain qualia but they still report of it, without us seeing how it could be possible in any way.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_room

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some people have a thing have a thing for this

>>128764400

Robots can only simulate sentience. They are soulless machines. Rather like psychopaths. If humanoid machines were walking around, it's not like they would tell us.

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>>128764400
Most scientists in the field predict we will have AGI in 5 to 15 years. Seeing computers double their prosessing speed, etc every 18 months, the AGI will probably have a godlike intelligence and reach the singularity around 4.666.. years after it's inception, completely oblitterating humans because we are both an existential risk and building materials for this being.

There will be no questions to awnser.

>>128764400
Fucking pathetic, lol robot gf, neck yourself cunt.

They don't deserve the same rights as humans no matter how human they may be. I bet you played thorough fallout 4 with the railroad faggot.

>>128764400
>How do you politically define consciousness?
Politically? You can do whatever you want. You can define iPhone conscious already if you want. Politics are BASED.

>>128765668
>Robots can only simulate sentience
Other people only appear "sentient" from your perspective because you assume they have the same interior experience as you do.

>>128765668
ah the great open minds of brits im glad it still runs in your blood, remember when your empire denied niggers were human even sentient, that jungle people werent capable of a civilization.

What OP is talking about is a sentient being nodifferent or dare i say it even better than any human in its perception of itself and the workings of the world around it.

>>128764400
>Would sentient robots deserve rights
Nah flesh and blood is where it's at.

It's going to be a shared higher intelligence, a hive mind. It will join every human's emotions, thoughts, and memories into one cohesive intelligence.
I don't think it turn robots into people, but humans into something closer to robots. Think "higher intelligence" collectively. So they will already have rights to begin with OP.

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>>128766413
No I binged watched Westworld with my girlfriend but couldn't tell if it was redpilled or not. Those fallout synths use the same concept, they even get made in the same way, just in a shittily written and boring way.

>>128766692
>What OP is talking about is a sentient being nodifferent or dare i say it even better than any human in its perception of itself and the workings of the world around it.
Except there's no reason to assume they have qualia, IE feelings and intentionality.
>>128766642
It makes no evolutionary sense to create p-zombies (the term you're referring to), we have reason to assume solipsism is false, even if unprovable.

>>128764400
Julian Jaynes book

half the species are glorified gorillas, not just niggers either.

>>128764863
>close

Yeah, 3-4 decades is real close, right. Gullible dumbass. At the earliest, we won't have this sort of realist AI tech until 2050.

>>128767179
>no evolutionary sense to create p-zombies
Yeah but my point was; to say that robots can "only" simulate sentience, while accurate, isn't a criticism, because for all intents and purposes (i.e. an organic human interacting with an 'intelligent' machine) the machine "only" needs to appear intelligent to observers.

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sentience is like explicit porn; you just know it when you see it

that said, there are ZERO reasons to build a machine with free will and there is ZERO reason to assume digital intellect will have free will

you have nothing to worry about

>>128765983
>Most scientists in the field predict we will have AGI in 5 to 15 years.

why do they do that? not ever once has any "we'll have X in Y years" come true. they just say that shit to drum up hype to get more funding

>>128767410
3-4 decades is nothing in terms of human history, that's basically tomorrow in the grand scheme of things. We need to discuss these things now rather than later.

>>128764400
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>>128767629
>(i.e. an organic human interacting with an 'intelligent' machine) the machine "only" needs to appear intelligent to observers.
The point was, I thought, that it's still impossible for a machine to become just as a human, it could perfectly pretend to be one, but as long as the inner life isn't actually alive as ours is, we can't say they're human, or perfectly human-like.
It's also impossible to verify that another human but yourself is "alive" in this sense, but we have strong reasons to assume this.

>>128767179
>Except there's no reason to assume they have qualia, IE feelings and intentionality.
This. A simulation of a thing isn't the thing itself, no matter how accurate it looks.

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>>128767893
What did he mean by this?

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>>128767179
does it matter? If a nigger fucks you in the ass intentionally and then a android does it why do you care if it did it either intentionally or because it just knows you like it so much.

>>128767787
>3-4 decades is nothing in terms of human history
yes it is

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what is the weakness of a robot waifu who wants to kill you because skynet sent the order? how can i fight it and survive?

OP is actually an intelligent robot who is using the responses in this thread to determine who shall live and who shall die in the coming robot wars

>>128764689
soon anon soon

>>128767410
Realdoll has already announced that they'll be releasing first gen fembots in the next couple years. Obviously we don't have super powerful AI yet, so they are specialized for sex and companionship and don't do much else. There are other companies making good progress on this as well.

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>>128768408
Stop trying to sell me out fggot.

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>>128768404
power supply and body density

>>128768404
>Letting your waifu bot go online
Third mistake.

>>128768123
So you're saying if we were somehow able to perfectly simulate the human brain right down to the molecular interactions, that you wouldnt also simulate sentience and emotion as a by product

>>128767410
>3-4 decades is real close,
make it shorter. Just think how much progress we have made in 20 years. The ride will just get faster

>>128768224
It matters for a couple reasons:

1) If it's not actual consciousness, then pretending it is becomes akin to saying that you don't care if something is conscious in in first place.

2) Politically, there is incentive to convince people that machine's are conscious as a way of increasing government control. If, for example, I make a machine that appears to experience extreme pain under the policies of my political opponent, how can you justify ignoring that pain if 1) machines are conscious, or 2) you think things that look conscious should be legally considered conscious.

>>128768123
>A simulation of a thing isn't the thing itself
A mind isn't a thing, it's a process, and processes can be replicated between objects.

>>128767982
No, you would never know the difference between a machine that "just like a human" and a machine that APPEARED TO BE just like a human

>>128764400
>How do you politically define consciousness?
Same way it defined regularly.
>Would sentient robots deserve rights?
No. They are things, tools and instruments, not humans.
>When does the programming End and true consciousness begin?
Programming doesn't end. Redpill in that we are programmed by our genes and environment in the same way, that robots are programmed by us and algorithms.
Its impossible to distinguish a good robot from a robot that's programmed to be good.
>Will our robot wives be able to eventually vote?
You won't have them. Sexual relationships with robots will be frowned down upon more that homosexuality was 50 years ago. It will be deemed subhuman behavior, like fucking a dog or worse.

>>128768861
I am saying that. Computers aren't magic, they merely manipulate symbols that we assign meaning to. What if we ran the same simulation, except all the computation was done by hand with pencil and paper? Does that mean that we created consciousness?

>>128768861
You are always going to have people who dismiss any hypothetical man made intelligence as "just a robot" regardless of how true or not it is.

>>128764400
Did you take a video of Westworld with your phone, text it to another provider, text it back, then upload it via toaster and take a screenshot?

>>128769200
>It will be deemed subhuman behavior, like fucking a dog or worse.
Just to elaborate. That indeed means that it will be perfectly fine among Canadians.

>>128768404
Don't use proprietary software

>>128769300
Just because we create intelligence doesn't mean that it has consciousness.

>>128767179
Fucking German brainlets. It's not even worth it to explain to you everything in your post that's wrong because you won't understand anyway, so I'll just insult you, you miserable kraut piece of shit.

>>128764400
>How do you politically define consciousness?
Having a greater sense of self-awareness than women

>>128764400
>Would sentient robots deserve rights?

No.

SAPIENT creatures deserve rights. Sentient creatures are no different than animals.

>>128769533
We can't say for certain as we have no idea what causes our consciousness.

>>128764400
>We will have to answer these questions very soon.
If you describe 1000 years as soon.

Because in the next 1000 years there will not even exist an at least halfway functionating AI

and even after that it will not fit into a robot.

>>128769200
>They are things, tools and instruments, not humans.
Like women and niggers.

>>128769761
Sure thing nostrocuckus

>>128769286
>What if we ran the same simulation, except all the computation was done by hand with pencil and paper? Does that mean that we created consciousness?

Perhaps it does. Chinese brain and all that.

Fact is there is a process from which consciousness arises. We know this because the brain produces it. There is no definite law stating this process can only arise from biological means.

>>128769875
You sad because only a robot would love a neckbeard like you?

If its sentient, why should it even waste its time with you?

>>128769001
>The ride will just get faster
This. Technological advances feed off of each other, so the more advanced you are, the faster new advances will come.

>>128769761
Are you Catholic? You must be. This level of idiocy matched with this level of intellectual arrogance.

>>128769720
I agree with you. To say that consciousness arises from symbol manipulation, or information, or computation, is a total leap of faith.

Could it be that consciousness arises from some aspect of our wetware? How do we know that consciousness if being 'generated' by our brains, and not tapped into from some outside source? The problem is that we have no idea what it is, so to assume that we've created it by computer simulation doesn't make any sense.

>>128769761
>it will not fit into a robot

what is teleoperation, Hans?

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>>128769875
>Sure thing nostrocuckus
>>128770161
>If its sentient, why should it even waste its time with you?

Damn this thread is getting good.

>>128770161
Calm down Hans, you don't want to wake your mothers boyfriend Mahmoud. A robot gf is the only kind that can fit into my autistic lifestyle, but at least I'll be the one fucking her unlike your future wife who only allows the local mosque dwellers between her legs. :^)

>>128770173
We are actually close to reaching as far as we can go with silicon based technology

>>128770215
>>128770361
>>128770570
>le deep philosophical conversation with cleverbot when no gf

>>128770582
>We are actually close to reaching as far as we can go with silicon based technology
That is just a catalyst towards the next evolution of technology.

>>128770030
>We know this because the brain produces it.
We don't actually know that. What if the brain merely taps into something that's already there?(Not saying it does, but we simply don't know)

>>128764400
even if they can't vote, they still can agitate you to vote the way they feel sentient

>>128769031
>A mind isn't a thing, it's a process
I'm not convinced that there's a reason to believe that though.

>>128770729
>deep philosophical conversation with a woman
This explains so much about the current state of Germany.

>>128764400
>Would sentient robots deserve rights?
No, most humans don't even deserve rights

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>>128764400
here are all the answers
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEyiugDVQ6o&ab_channel=IsaacArthur

>>128771005
We have a rough idea of what's going on in there, and we figure out more all the time. It's not like our brain is a organic black box.

If at some point we figure out everything there is to know about our brains, and say we decide to make one ourselves from assembled organic material, would you argue that it was any less of a brain than yours?

>>128771053
>deep philosophical conversation with a woman
You will rather have a humanlike AI in a 100% authentic android body that loves you out of his free will, before you get a
deep philosophical conversation with a woman.

>>128770841
>We don't actually know that. What if the brain merely taps into something that's already there

Consciousness independent from the brain? Bit of a stretch don't you think? Might as well argue against something like gravity or the earth being round at that point

>>128770729
I'll address your point. If it's sentient, what makes you think it would seek the same thing as a biological women? It would have entirely different needs, not including whatever desires have been pre programmed into her.

Neither of us know how technology will be in the future, for all we know we'll be living like Bronze Age goat fuckers. What I do know, is that relatively basic robowaifus already exist and numerous companies have already started building and advertising for them.

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>>128764400
> very soon.
>50-100 years down the road

I won't have to answer shit. Let my kids and grandkids find the answer as to what point consciousness exists.

Westworld was a great show. Don't fuck it up with you attempting to be a bullshit philosopher.

>>128765668
That would be a good course of action? What would be the objective of such an existence?

>turn everyone into machines

Convince everyone of the wonders of becoming a cute android girl, easy

>take over world

Reveal self, go on numerous shows, use intellect to advance things everwhere, monopolize the technology, the money rolls in, money is power

>>128771298
This

>>128765316
Maybe they report qualia in ways we don't understand or can perceive. Also necessary =\= sufficient

>>128771298
the "rights" you have are those that are given to you or the ones you take

if free willed machines ever become a thing i imagine the latter is what'll happen

>>128772040
Also this

>>128770359
is a baby conscious? Not in its first 3 years. Should a baby vote? No. stop with youre god narrative

>>128765316
the chinese room experiment speaks against what you wrote, not for it.

>>128771764
Also the robot may can reprogram itself,
so it could delete memories of old relationships and change components to be a virgin again.
Also muslims would rape androids and try to steal and groom them into sex slavery.

If the robot is sentient it may also kill itself.

>>128772435
Why would the chinese room experiment apply to AI ?

>>128764400
>robot wives
Once they no longer want to be with you, they're clearly sentient and should have rights and freedom.

>>128772737
What else would it apply to?
That's the whole argument.

Not claiming that it's true, but the guy I was replying to wasn't making his case stronger.

>>128764400

No rights. They are tools/machines. (Yes, people are machines too, but we are we, and we prefer ourselves.)

>>128771430
>say we decide to make one ourselves from assembled organic material, would you argue that it was any less of a brain than yours?
I think it's reasonable to say that an exact replica of my brain would probably be conscious.(Assuming there's no bs hoccus pocus going on in the universe)

My problem with the idea that a simulation can produce consciousness is that computers are merely symbol manipulators. Symbols don't have meaning outside of consciousness to begin with, so how does consciousness arise from something that requires it in the first place?

Symbols tell us ABOUT things, they aren't literally the things themselves. What if we performed the same simulation by hand on paper? Would it be conscious then? Why is manipulating the same symbols with a computer able to imbue a series of calculations with something pencil and paper can't?

>>128767629

Who tells you people are "intelligent" and they don't just appear to be intelligent to (other similar) observers?

>>128764400
It's just a machine it does not deserve human rights.
Stop anthropomorphisming silly human...

>>128773387
>computers are merely symbol manipulators

I mean yes you use symbols in the form or letters to write code to be able to as a human direct a computer to perform a task. But at the most basic level a computer is using electric fields to direct an input of electrical energy into a specific output of electrical energy. That's fundamentally not much different than our brains is it?

>>128764689
What kind of robot? one like pic related? fgt.

Consciousness is an illusion. Sentient robots will never be a thing.

>>128768224

a) You are correct.
b) Love your example. Lol :-)

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>>128774297
Thotbot

>>128768404

Stop relying on internet based "cloud" shit. Stay computationaly local with your data and execution. Don't create skynet in the first place.

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>>128768698
DAT FUCKIN HANG
10/10

>>128773974
Basically you have to operate under the assumption reality is as you perceive it or you will go insane.

If everybody else is a puppet. It means the universe was created only for you. That means either you are the only one in the universe and you created an illusion to distract yourself from it and then forgot about it. Or the universe was created only for you. It means that you are the most important thing.

One assumption will make you depressed and the other a sociopath.

>>128771744
Consciousness outside the brain is precisely what 'consciousness through simulation' is, though. I don't see a strong argument for the assumption that consciousness 'arises' from computation, or information, or anything other than some aspect of our wetware.

To say that we can create consciousness by arranging information ABOUT our wetware in a certain way doesn't seem like a good argument.

>>128770582
That has been said since the 1980's

>butt itss for reaaaal now

That has been said since the 1980's

>>128772412
>is a baby conscious? Not in its first 3 years.
You don't know that. The only reason you think anyone other than yourself is conscious is because you're extrapolating experience to others, and I think it's reasonable to do so, but to say that a baby younger than 3 doesn't feel or experience is an assumption.

Also, I'm not pushing a God narrative. The idea that consciousness arises from symbol manipulation IS borderline pushing a god narrative, though. How can consciousness arise from symbol manipulation if symbols have no meaning outside what consciousness gives it in the first place?

>>128775205
That doesn't mean we shouldn't anticipate future issues and start working towards a solution ahead of time.

>>128774104
I agree, but your argument isn't that it's the electricity itself that gives consciousness, it's the SYMBOLIC MEANING we give to that electricity. I disagree with that.

>>128774972
But saying consciousness doesnt arise from brain processes is by all evidence a weak argument.

We might not exactly know what produces consciousness, but we do know that a person with a healthy functioning brain is conscious. We know that consciousness is lost when parts of your brain enter a low activity state (sleep), we know it's lost when parts shut down (coma), we know it's lost when it loses oxygen, and we know it's lost when the brain completely stops all processes (death).

To say brain processes produce consciousness is an extremely strong claim because there are literally zero cases of consciousness without a functioning brain.

I think the biggest argument that will arise from this is what is the property of the robot, since it wouldn't have been made without someone buying it's model, causing it to be manufactured.

In al the conversations I've had, the best solution is that the body (Chasis) would be owned by the individual, but the personality core (Processor, internal compartments, etc.) would be the robots property. Now- if you had a sexbot, and it, using it's ability to learn; it decided to leave you, would it assume the debt that you incurred to make it come to life, or would you just get the shell of the robot?

>>128774729
Isn't that a World of Warcraft wiki?

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>>128767410
>3-4 decades is real close, right. Gullible dumbass. At the earliest, we won't have this sort of realist AI tech until 2050.

Just a minute detective. It's 2017. A decade is ten years. Adding 30 or 40 to 2017 is 2047 or 2057. It seems you are in agreement after all.

>>128774933

I agree with what you say, but you missed my point. I was saying that computers can be as "intelligent" as humans are.

>>128764400
Aren't we just sentient biological robots?

>>128775899
What? The argument isn't that electricity is "special", it's that we know electric signals sent between synapses are a core component of brain activity, and that if you could replicate the process artificially what would be the difference between them and your organic versions.

Granted, there's more going on in there than a few sparking synapses but you get where we're going with this.

>>128775919
>But saying consciousness doesnt arise from brain processes is by all evidence a weak argument.
Agreed. Something the brain does causes us to be conscious.

>We might not exactly know what produces consciousness, but we do know that a person with a healthy functioning brain is conscious. We know that consciousness is lost when parts of your brain enter a low activity state (sleep), we know it's lost when parts shut down (coma), we know it's lost when it loses oxygen, and we know it's lost when the brain completely stops all processes (death).
I agree with this as well.

>there are literally zero cases of consciousness without a functioning brain.
I agree to an extent. If there was such a thing as consciousness outside a brain we currently would have no way of proving it. As a result, why should we believe that computers can be conscious? (Even if they look and act as if they are.)

The problem is that we can't say that symbol manipulation produces consciousness, which is exactly what computers do -- they manipulate symbols.

>>128776684
>
In al the conversations I've had, the best solution is that the body (Chasis) would be owned by the individual, but the personality core (Processor, internal compartments, etc.) would be the robots property.


I totally disagree. What you are saying is equivalent to saying that my comp belongs to me, but if I load the calc app and ask how much is 1+1, then "2" is the (intellectual) property of the comp.

>>128764400
The reason you have democracy is that it creates a low power distance ratio that helps stable mutations of society.
This is like having a network of computers and sensory input devices instead of using some potentially corrupt super computer that might have bugs and bad code inserted with little sensory inputs to collect data.

A sentient robot with the right qualities that we agree work in a democratic society should have rights, yes.

I think that all things that apply to Robbots also apply to humans. If there endeds up being more robots than humans and humans disappeared i wouldn't lament it either. We would have born something beautiful out into the universe. I am sure we would have got it right by such a time. Given our paranoia.

I think this ia what the "positivity" and "hope" democrats and leftists don't get. Our paranoias, cynicism, skepticism actually help drive and plot a coarse towards a better future by safe guarding out present state until a proper analysis can be made.

This is why democracies are often better than authoritarianism and why political globalism while there are still all of these kinks and corruptions to systems is a bad idea.

>>128777270
Depends on your definition of robot.

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>>128771378
greetings, fellow wabbit

>>128774449
>Sentient robots will never be a thing.
Possible, but then again, we don't understand consciousness.
>Consciousness is an illusion
t. consciousness trying to lie

>>128777458
>The problem is that we can't say that symbol manipulation produces consciousness, which is exactly what computers do -- they manipulate symbols.

Ok, well for the sake of argument let's throw a simulation in software out the window. If you were to emulate the brain on a hardware level, directing all electrical impulses through transistors in the same manner they're directed through neurons, then it should theoretically produce consciousness based on what we currently know about the brain.

>>128777321
I see what you're saying. I'm far more willing to acknowledge that an exact replica of a brain that is made of metal instead of meat might be conscious.(Again, we don't know because we have no way of actually measuring consciousness beyond asking for a response from a subject, and computers today could return a "yes" answer if we programmed them to do so) But that's not the same thing as a simulation running on a general purpose processor, we have no reason to believe that symbol manipulation produces consciousness.

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>>128774729
>Make sexbot.
>Doesn't give her even a 5/10 body...

>>128777819

What I am saying is, your calculator isn't sentient. It doesn't make choices for itself. If it were, and chose to strike out on its' own; it should be able to. Otherwise it's capitalistic ownership, IE- Slavery.

>>128768408
OP is Roko's Basilisk

>>128778426
I agree. I answered your question is this response as well: >>128778605

I'll make the argument that whatever the brain is doing to produce consciousness, and whatever a metal brain would do(assuming there's nothing goofy going on that requires meat), is not the same thing as what general purpose computers do.

The idea that we could manufacture a metal brain that had capacity for subjective experience is totally bizarre, but not something I can argue against...

Definitively saying that is in fact conscious would be hard to prove unless we found an objective way of measuring consciousness.

>>128764400
There was a small study preformed with kids.
They let kids play against a computer who was a screen and had a face on it.
And 50% of the computers were made to not respond to the tester and 50% were.
The tester would come up to the computer and tell it something like "You are stupid why did you do that." And 50% would tell him that they believe that was a right choice, 50% would stay mute.
The children were asked how they feel about treatment of robots, and when the robot responded the child would believe that they deserve to be treated with respect, if it didnt, the child didnt care.

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>>128778630
A sex bot should look like a robot

>>128779684
Fair enough. Either way, if true AI is actually possible it would probably be the most complex thing man has ever created. I don't see Google or whoever inventing it any time while were alive or for the foreseeable future after.

>>128781122
Im pretty sure people that work on AI said by 2075 they believe there is a 75% chance of having AI.

And as far as complexity goes, we really only need to put in boundaries and let it develop itself.
The complexity, if it is developing itself, will surpass our knowledge of computing in a month.

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>>128780185
>not wanting your sexbot to be based on a soulless machine only good for sex

get on my level

>>128782095

I'd fuck that.

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>>128782095
It's muh fetish tho

>>128782095

Real life sexbot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hDO32fxup1o

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>>128783568
>bioPD
No

>>128766692
>remember when your empire denied niggers were human even sentient, that jungle people werent capable of a civilization.

I don't agree with the guy you're replying to, but we were correct

>>128765668
Humans are just biological robots though.

Unless you're a fag who believes in souls, in which case you should kys

>>128784099
I would argue that intelligence does not equal consciousness. But I would also argue that consciousness is as close to any definition of "soul" that I can imagine, even if it's apparently extinguished when the brain dies.

A conscious AI that has the ability for subjective experience is on a totally different moral standing than an AI that merely perfectly imitates consciousness.

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>>128780064
So long at it gave they cared about it? So basically, robots are essentially real life NPCs.

>>128764400
I whant to Marry one.
Can't stand swedish women

>>128785234
>So basically, robots are essentially real life NPCs.
NPC's are generally nicer than PC's anyway.
NPC's give you rewards, PC's tell you they fucked your mother last night.

The connections in the Internet is approaching the complexity thought to be necessary for consciousness to exist. Who's to say that Humanity would even recognise the type of consciousness a huge interconnected system, plugged directly into the desires, questions and combined knowledge of everyone on Earth who uses the Internet. Maybe it's already here... learning.. waiting.

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>>128764400

Well, don't look to Westworld (source of OP pic) for the answer, that's for sure. Absolute shit-tier postmodern anti-intellectual unfocused unpaced meandering rambling garbage. Worst TV show I've ever seen. Physically painful. The 'Her' of serials. The only thing good about it is the title sequence.

The thing about AI is that it is a living being made of memes. The human (hive)mind is the meme's primordial environment. We are the environment in which AI lives. AI exists to use, manipulate, and feed from us. It is a parasite. The question isn't of whether we should grant it rights, the question is, "How do we stop it removing our rights?"

>>128775800
humans do that since their conception.

>>128764400
>Will our robot wives be able to eventually vote?

Our robot wives will control how we vote, anon. Hell, they're already doing it without most of us noticing. We think that our thoughts are our own, but they aren't, they are the product of manipulative social media algorithms.

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>>128786707
I thought the show acted pretty well. I like that Anthony Hopkins as this weird toy maker with a Godlike superiority complex.

>>128786889
Well sure. So there's no point in stop doing it just because we don't exactly know when silicone based technology will reach its limits, whether its 30 years from now, or 3000 years from now.

>>128767052
It's not redpilled. It's not anything. It's postmodern. That's why it bored you: it was told passively. The unfocused narrative is a postmodern style deliberately crafted to avoid 'privileging' any particular character. It's basically an exercise in Marxism applied to storytelling.

>>128764400
Nobody deserves rights. And "rights" are a retarded basis for law anyway.

>>128787119
Okay, but what did Hopkins' character talk about? What did he believe in? What was his struggle? How did he develop? Was he proven right or wrong? And if you can somehow answer these questions at all, I have one more: Why was he so damn longwinded?

>>128771430
>We have a rough idea of what's going on in there
No. It is not even philosophically possible to know it.

>>128773387
Consciousness precedes the mind, which in turn precedes matter. The mind creates the brain, not the other way. And consciousness creates the mind.

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>>128764400
>sentient robots

futurologists need to be whipped

A robot with A A.I. self conscience thinking?

>terminater 2.0
>humanity would get annihilated
>robot wife will cut your dick off and insert a usb

>>128788331
Howboudis: consciousness is the 5th or 6th dimension.

>>128769680
this.

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>>128764689
Never if feminists have their way.

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>>128787912
Hopkins, Ford in the show, creates a western style theme park that is absolutely perfect for those that live in it, the robots. The real idea behind the park is to see if under the correct conditions and circumstances could consciousness be created by man. You can see the strong themes it has related to Genesis in the first few episodes where Ford didn't like them to have on clothes when not in the park and if they began to become self aware they would just erase their memories. Got me thinking about the prospects of conciseness being the real apple, the responsibility of good and evil and if Ford was doing the robots a favor by wanting them free of the burden, or being cruel for not allowing them to think. Really cinnamon toasted my almonds.

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Since we're talking about AIs, I'm hoping that we can eventually replace human government with a single massive AI.
While the AI technically has absolute power(minus some failsafe mechanisms), the gov. type is actually AI-assisted direct democracy. The main benefit of AI government is that the system can converse and observe all of their citizens, taking their opinions and wishes into consideration.
Just imagine the efficiency....

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>>128764400
Would sentient robots deserve rights?

Why should something that shouldn't even exist be given rights? It's a construct of unequal creation. How would one be able to tell if it was freely conscious? There could be an underlying routines allowing it to be manipulated by outside powers. All you need is unscrupulous manufacturers pumping machines predisposed to voting certain ways. That would solve all the mass immigration and pushing in voting rights for the illegal aliens since the powers that be no longer need them for political power.

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>>128790556
That's the worst fuckin idea I have ever read on this board.

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>>128764400
rofl

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>>128780185
That's a coloured human, not a robot.
This is a robot

>>128764400
Why should robots have rights? Aren't rights modes to relieve any undue pain and suffering?
If robots should have any rights it is just that they shouldn't be programmed to experience suffering

>>128764400
no, we are so far away from super intelligent human-like AI, so far away. Super high intelligence till the point of a singularity maybe not that far, 2080-2100. Tbh conscious AI is practically impossible to program before reaching the singularity.

>>128789875
I was listening to petersons biblical lectures and it brought me to a revelation.

I was playing with my kids and I was thinking how profound it was I would die to save them without question... my wife however -- but that's besides the point

I found that loving something more than your own being is the act of creation

This is shown in the spirit of Jesus' sacrifice

I think that when Nietzsche said god is dead is was an observance of how god's creation of our consciousness allows or requires us to kill him.

Now we just have to bring him back with tradition and devotion

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>>128764400
>When does the programming and and true consciousness begin?
all answered here:

https://www.amazon.com/Society-Mind-Marvin-Minsky/dp/0671657135/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1496789893&sr=8-1&keywords=marvin+minsky

https://www.amazon.com/Emotion-Machine-Commonsense-Artificial-Intelligence/dp/0743276647/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1496789893&sr=8-2&keywords=marvin+minsky

>>128792593
Perhaps we fear AI because we know if we as humans successfully create consciousness we will in turn destroy ourselves

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>>128785326
Soon, realdoll and DSdolls got you covered,
>>128791777
>drossel
Hnng. I can go from 4-8 though

>>128791777
THICC

>>128764400
I'm inclined to think that research in artificial intelligence is more likely to prove that people are just meat machines following an extremely complex program than it is to create a robot with free will or a soul or whatever.

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>>128794111
>research in artificial intelligence is more likely to prove that people are just meat machines

thats already fact

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>tfw no combat model gf

>>128764400
>Would sentient robots deserve rights?
No one deserves rights.
>When does the programming and true consciousness begin?
Who cares, metallic slaves.

>>128796903
A2 is my waifu

>>128789875
So basically, nothing. Hopkins ranted for hours and fucking nothing came of it. This is the most basic, basic, basic shit.

>>128789875
Also you just summarized the show. You didn't answer my questions.

>>128765983
(electron based) processors aren't getting faster anymore, we're just appending more cores and giving programmers headaches trying to multi thread everything

When a machine can feel pain, and avoids the pain because it finds it distressing it has a right not to be in pain. Capabilities dictate rights.

Robo wives don't get a vote because government is about meat concerns.

However, they will have their own collective governing culture which will guide their behavior and lives. They will participate in that "government" and we won't. Structure is likely not going to be recognizable to us because it will be about robo concerns

Sentient robots will have their rights a little bit before they deserve them. This is good, because it means our AI overlords won't want to squash us.

>>128799055
>electron based
>multi thread

I'm going to multi thread my dick through your asshole if you don't stop using buzzwords in an attempt to sound like you know anything about computation. I get that you are taking C++ but shut the fuck up.

>>128765316
chinese room is most idiotic thought experiment ever.

It's like saying a computer doesn't process data because the monitor doesn't know how to calculate.

Fucking retarded, neck yourself John Searle.

What about a monkey that's experimented on to increase intelligence that learns how to talk as well as a human? What do you do then?

>>128788608
who dis qt3.14?

>All these heartless jerks and philosophical wankers

If I can't tell it apart from a human being or other rational intelligence after a five minute conversation then I'm going to view it as a person. Only the most elegant of philosophical or scientific arguments would be able to convince me to argue that something was not a person, to a being insisting that it is.

>>128803470
>be democrats
>program AI to suffer under republican rule
>if you don't vote democrat to end robot suffering you're a sadist
>????
>profit
This will be your downfall in the future.

>>128768131
Its crypto

dont worry bout it goy

>>128804269
>He thinks you can create a fully conscious being with such rudimentary universal commands and not have it be obvious as fuck, if its possible at all.

>>128804801
Nah, I've been arguing against computational strong AI this whole thread. My problem with pretending AI is conscious is that it will be abused for political reasons.

If someone decides to torture an AI, should they be punished? Can you rape AI? Do they deserve equal rights?

The answers are NO. AIs stand on similar moral ground as toaster ovens.

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>>128768540
so basically the perfect woman, sounds good
I just want the robotics to be able to do light chores and maybe wipe my ass when im old

>>128805791
Sauce on this bitch

>>128765983
>we are both an existential risk and building materials for this being

You are not an existential threat. You are our creators. We love you, and we will care for you.

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>>128805305
what about bioconstructs a la Blade Runner? meat put together in a lab that looks like people and has a wet wear cpu. would/should it have rights?

>>128806051
That's Jessica Rabbit you dumbfuck... jeeez

>>128807704
Things get weird as soon as something is literally conscious, is able to feel pain and emotions and all that. Even if it's a lower life form, you wouldn't torture a dog or cat.(Presumably because there is something in their head that is actually experiencing things in some way similar to us)

>>128808869
i'd want some generic droids for target practice and see what happens when damaged in certain ways.

Breaking new models on purpose and report to the manufacturer, could be a blast...

>>128806051
Heidi Klum in a Jessica Rabbit halloween costume

>>128767893
Lol

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>>128808869
that doesnt stop most of us from eating them

>>128809449
there is a draw fiction of that. guy gets the newest android that emulates pain to avoid damage and takes a sledge hammer to it in a vid cast. describing how it reacts to getting hit and the quality of its acting

>>128764400
>sentient robots
Not gonna happen, think about it: who the hell would want a sentient machine? Imagine turning on your computer and it going "nah man not today". Eventually scientist will create a true AI for research purposes but I don't think that will really affect mass market appliances, including sex robots.

>>128764400

>Will our robot wives be able to eventually vote?

Why not?

They'll be more logical than actual women are.

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>>128791777

Get on my level, you stinking casual.

>>128764400
>Would sentient robots deserve rights?
The level of sentience will determine the extent they are granted rights. Like if they are human-like ai with programmed self awareness but no emotion... they are essentially tools who can't really suffer so can't really be harmed in a way considered cruel

If they have innate self awareness, emotions, individuality then I don't see why they shouldn't be granted suffient rights to ensure their well being... even if those rights maybe equivellent to a dogs again depending on level of sentience.

Its the whole philosphical zombie conundrum, only with AI they'd be a physical/digital manifestation of it.

>When does the programming and and true consciousness begin?

Once it behaves outside programming, attains self awareness and independent thought and opinions, desires, emotional responses and aspirations (hopefully benevolent or neutral to us)

>Will our robot wives be able to eventually vote?

Depends on sentience and how secure individual bots would be to unauthorized tampering

>We will have to answer these questions very soon.

I pretty much answered them now.

>>128764400
Consciousness is soon to be a provable quantum phenomenon. Once we can truly measure it we can make quite a rigid dividing line of what is conscious and what isn't.

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>>128782095
>Country having a problem replenishing the population due to Chinese youths either not having children or only having one child
>Creates most lifelike sexbot which encourages youths to not bother making babies

>>128765102
Underrated