British boys can't stop kissing each other

>>128757685
Former Britfag who moved to the US here. Its called a British Handshake. Sometimes my mates would slip their tongues in and we'd do a sort of tongue wrestling to see who wins, like thumb wrestling.
Not a gay thing, just a way to mess about with the lads.

>>128758054

Also former brit and can confirm. Me & my mates used to do the same thing except we used to take our shirts off first

>>128757685
>white

>>128758054
>>128758270

>not a gay thing

Keep telling yourself that.

>>128757685
Homosexuality is haram though.

>>128758054
>>128758270
fellow former brit here as well. Me and the mates used to do the same thing except we would get naked and wrestle with our cocks a bit too.

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>>128758054
>>128758270
>>128758732
STOP

>>128757685
>What the bloody 'ell
Kek

>>128757685
To be fair, have you seen the fucking state of British women? I'm an ugly sod, but I look better in a dress than most women over twenty.

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>>128758054
>>128758270
former brit here.

Can confirm but what we in our town did was a bit different.
We used to play tonsil hockey, and the goal was to tickle your male friend's tonsils with your tongue till he couldn't take it anymore
and start getting a boner (your hand is placed on your friends crotch for boner inspection at the start of the game)
Whoever gets the biggest boner is the winner.

Current Brit here, I can confirm that
>>128758054
>>128758270
>>128758732
Are telling the truth.

>>128757685
Nothing wrong with that, sometimes i suck my friend's dick when he doesn't have a girlfriend for a long time.

>>128758054
Former brit here too.
Can confirm.

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Hot DESU

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>>128758732
>Me and the mates used to do the same thing except we would get naked and wrestle with our cocks a bit too.

>>128757685
Bong here. They do a lot of that south of the watford gap, if you know what I mean

Former brit here. Used to kiss my mates too. Not gay unless you kept your eyes shut. We'd see who could go the longest without blinking.

>>128758732
British expat in Moscow here. When I explained this to my local friends they looked at me weirdly, and next day some people came to my place and beat me up with rubber batons without even introducing themselves. Basically, fuck Putin.

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>>128757685
KIKERY WORKS

>>128757685

It's just experimenting. Literally nothing wrong with it.

>>128758054
Brit. Can confirm although in my village the first one to get a stiffy has to stick it in the other one's arse.

>>128757685
Just look into their degenerate failed country to see how they think.

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"k-kiss me anon.. C:"

Wat do

>>128757685
>implying American boys don't do these things too

You aren't fooling anyone, burger.

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>>128759760
Beat it until it dies. Then bury it in a corn field out west of DeKalb.

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>>128759760
BOG

>>128758054
Former brit here, can confirm. We would also have random arse inspections where a group of lads would pin down one m8 and bend him over and we would all smell his arsehole and judge how clean it is

>>128757685
I always knew britbongs were complete faggots.

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>>128757685

C-Cute. Wish I had friends like that.

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>>128757685
if it triggers the muzzies, then so be it

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>>128758054
Current brit here. I'm about to stick my tongue down my mate's throat and possibly up his arse too.

As a laugh of course.

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>>128758054
Actual Brit here.

If you haven't had a British Handshake or a Peckingham Gob Wobbler then you're likely not British.

>>128759611
>lol m8 I'm totally not gay, it's just experimenting
>well, the scientific method says a proper sample is 5000
>noice, I'll have easier time shitting

t. Bong

>>128757685
Didnt we just have a 300 post thread showing eachother our penises? Yes. Welcome to males. Welcome to things like life. /b/. And /soc/

>>128757685
>Britbongs literally can't stop sucking dick
my sides

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>>128757685
>>128760019

It's not gay if there's not anal contact. I went to a boy's school in the North and we didn't have any other option than to play with out each other.

>>128757685
Gay bring on the mudslime rape train for the uk

>>128757685
I'm British, and I have never seen this before. I would never do it however.

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>>128760179
>Peckingham Gob Wobbler

>>128759576
2/10

>>128760342
Clearly never had any mates as a kid.

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>>128760342
be proud of what you are - Sweden in the making.

>>128760342

Really, mate?

>>128759007

do jews like goyboys?

>>128760485
And it's all your fault you cunt.
Why can't we goyim just have good things in life for once?

>>128757685
Anybody have that webm of those shirtless chavs kissing before hitting each other with chairs?

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>>128759960
Do pagans need to interject their faggotry everywhere?!
You queers are like god damn furfags needing to one shit on Christians where ever you go, and two, need to proclaim that you are "strong pagans"

>tfw your religion actually commands you kill faggots instead of having some weak cultural hatred of bottom rustlers
>tfw your God didn't drink cum
>tfw your Religion is authoritarian to a t and preaches against individualism
>tfw your religion is the flagship anti jew religion

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>>128757685

It's common.

How here have kissed Etonians?

>>128757685
I can confirm that between ages of 13 - 16 kissing and pretending to fuck each other was commonplace school banter.

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>>128760342
I'll put on my Mosley Mask and we can play Hide the Blackshirt.

>>128760716
I got about 12 of these except they put the flaccid benor in their mouths. Dont know how to upload webms on a mobile
>>128759079
Sweet post Frenchy

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>>128759960
>when your entire online existence as a religion is debunking funny memes about how degenerate you are

Former Trump supporter here. Can confirm but what we did in our town was a bit different. We watched Trump crash and burn, and whoever stops Trump from getting two scoops is the winner.

>>128760342

BILLY NO MATES OVER ERE NEVER COMPETED IN SAME SEX TONGUE BOXING

>>128758629

fucking goats is halal

>>128759760
Kiss him, push him down on his bed, proceed to drop his pants,
Exposing his gorgeous cock that I wrap my lips around. Suck him off until he's about to cum, turn him around and drill his delicate ass. At this point he's moaning endlessly, I finish him off and my face is covered in his sweet cum

>>128757685
Second year in college and the sheer amount of homosexuals is unbelievable, it's actually a rarity to find someone who's straight. Mostly everyone is Bi and a quarter of the males and females are gay, i'd say straights occupy about 10% total. It's a scary place

>>128757685

in germany i have seen 40 year old turks kissing their lips as a greet

>>128761159
That was the biggest "I'm a leaf" post I've ever seen.

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>>128761159
>(You)

>>128757685
ugh...

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>>128760665
no rest for the sick

>>128759960

Shit dude. I mean, generally speaking I think that faggotry = degeneracy.

>Crushed into the murky waters of the bog.

Talk about stamping out the problem...

>>128761356
Oh yes <3

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>>128758054
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>>128760792


You dumb smelly American'ts better stop this shitty gay bants before it's too late!!

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What's with my fellow Brits here pretending like this doesn't happen?

>>128761373
Then fucking stop pushing your gay and pro-muslim propaganda across the world, you fucks.
You'll avoid ovens if you will be finally nice to us.

>>128757685

It happens lots but our mums don't know!

>>128761591

They're not lying. Who are you trying to fool? 4chan in anonymous.

>>128757685
Not a former brit but this is gay asf.

>>128757685
How do they inject food into their mouths?

>>128761591
>t.BoyThatNeverGotKissed

back in 2010, when i was still on school, there was this kid who had been secretly gay for years and never came out of the closet but someone ended up finding out anyways and told everyone on the school
the gay kid was found dead in a ditch 3 days later, he was beaten to death by 5 classmates with fucking fluorescent lamps
i love my country lmao

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>>128757685
at least I'm not the only one.

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kind of cute desu

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>>128762060
You want a kiss American anon?

>>128762025
> beaten to death by 5 classmates with fucking fluorescent lamps

They beat him to death with very fragile glass tubes?

Or you mean like a light fixture?

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>>128757685
Well considering the latter, it does not surprise me one bit.

You see British men used to flee from the pic related by boarding a ship or a whaler and just fuck around the world for years banging decent women, but today they cannot sale worth a shit, so what they did is they imported the niggers and sandshits to entertain and distract the slags, but the trouble is even slags dont like niggers so they turned to homosexuality as a last resort not to be forced waking up next to one of these, every day.

And just so you know personally British slags are my primary fetish.

>>128759760
Drill hole. Acquire minerals.

>>128757685

I'd be lying if I said that I didn't do my share of kissing when I was a lad.

>>128761591
It's true. I'm a former britfag and my friends would usually greet each other with the one handed willy.

>>128758054
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>>128760004


so it's CONFIRMED. brits are total faggots.

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>>128762025
Brazil sounds like a total shithole desu

>>128757685

Any bongposter that says this doesn't happen is a liar.

>>128762631
Sadly that seems to be the case. What the hell happened to my fellow Brits for them to this?

>>128762631
>>128762760

Most lads that kiss aren't faggots.

>>128757685
In reality, I have slept with many British men, and they are pretty gay in general. Not just the actually gay ones.

>>128762631
>>128762760
This makes me fucking sad, Am I the only straight brit here?

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>>128757685

Facking brits.

>>128758054
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>>128758732
just a lil lighthearted bants with the lads hahaha

>>128761658
obey your master Merkel and take more muslims you selfish retards.

>>128762876
I'm straight as well. I would never do this sort of thing.

Just gonna point out the obious to non brit fags.
They're fucking with you, no this does not regularly happen in Britain

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>>128762876

Why are you pretending this didn't happen you you were young?

>>128761909
I'm sure their food is liquid and filled with protein...

>>128757685
(((Richard Lawson)))

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>>128762876
>>128763019
Stop pretending

>>128762876
more like the only kissless brit here lmao

There's really not a lot wrong with it, a little kiss between m8s is manly. Doesn't mean you have to bugger eachother.

>>128763027
I'm not pretending. I had anger issues, so never really made friends. By the time I got over those issues, I was a loner, so really, it's probably due to circumstance.

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>>128762989
Well, it looks like being peaceful doesn't work.
We have to use different methods then.

>>128762631
Right you are anon!

>>128761591
>never played British Bullcock

>>128763019
> "this does not regularly happen in Britain"
>typing with one hand and giving a handjob to boyfriend with other one

>>128758054
Former brit can confirm. Tongue wresting was all the craze. We use to reach around and put fingers into each other's buttholes to make sure the other doesn't pussy out and pull away.

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I did the math and research.
According to Wikipedia, the average length of a penis varies from 5.1 to 5.9 inches. I went for a safe 5.5 inches for an average. The average radius from the core center of the penis to the skin on the outside is .75 inches. From this we can roughly find the volume with pi timed radius squared times height. This comes around as the average penis being around 9.72 cubic inches


Next I found the volume of the average human adult male. I had to first find the weight, which according to Alex Schlessingerman's "The Physics Factbook" is 70kg or 154 pounds. Weight is found by multiplying an object mass by the force of gravity, 9.81 meters per second. After taking gravity out of the equation, the average mass of an adult human male is 7.14 kg. I then found the volume by dividing this number by the average density of a human, according to Wikipedia, 985 kg per meter cubed. The volume of the adult male was then found to be .0072516316 cubic meters. Utilizing the volume of the average penis I found earlier, 9.72 in cubed, I get .0001592828 meters cubed. This means the penis is 2.19% of an adult male's volume.

Assuming a lack of testosterone or female hormones makes the person a female, balls ignored for ease, fucking a trap is only 2.19% homosexual.

>>128762065
The boy on the left is a serial killer and hitman who tried to murder the boy on the right on several occasions.

this is what gays believe a healthy relationship is

>>128758054
Canadalad coming in. Can confirm since we inherited the practice except we do it a bit differently, the person who submits in the tongue wrestle wins. The loser had to wear a mountie jacket while lathering the winner with maple syrup.

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>my countrymen are complete utter fags
wtf

>>128763312
new hitler will be muslim, new jews is you. dont come crying to me when it happens.

>>128762994
It completely baffles me that people can call them selves straight but then partake in such atrocious activities

>>128763027
Not once

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Some boys are cute. Most great historic leader fucked a twink because they knew that women cant love. Its degenerate sure, but pretty fun.
qt boys>qt girls>women>men

>>128763778
I completely agree with you.

>Americans think kissing your mate is gay
Colour me surprised

>>128763753
White German Muslim, cap this.
[spoiler]They will come for you, too.[/spoiler]

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>>128757685
Race-mixing whore.

Confirmed: Brits are sodomites.

Maybe it's Allah's plan to send his servants to the Isles to purse degeneracy?

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>>128764189
nothing gay about practicing for girls or fooling around with your fellow man

>>128764189

Forgot this one: >>128764026

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>>128758054
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>>128764189
No, it's probably a mental retardation that came from the stuff put in the water supply.

>not kissing your friends to show how much you appreciate them
>not keeping eachother warm under the blanket during sleepovers
>not washing eachother in the school showers after gym to get those hard-to-reach areas
>not massaging eachother to relieve soreness afterwards
>not relieving eachothers stress with your mouths and acquiring high-quality protein at the same time
fucking americans, I swear

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>>128758054
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>kike and his lapdogs gay LARPing on a mongolian finger painting imageboard

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How many kissed him?

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It's the water lol

>>128757685
I didn't realise I was actually gay until I was 28 and already had 3 kids. Now I have to live a life of horrible closeted misery and know that I'll never be able to live out my true calling of being a depraved cocksucker. I get some mild satisfaction from talking to men online and sometimes c2c with them if the wife is out but it is just hollow really. I need that real physical intimacy with another guy, and it can never happen.

I really wish this was a joke. I think about suicide every day.

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apparently the brits faggyness started from soccer in 2004. now they are all full blown Milo wannebes each and every one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmZhpj3Y-SQ

if this is what they are doing out in the open, they are dick sucking cum swallowing like crazy behind closed doors.

I'm British, on vacation in the US. I can confirm what the other fellows are saying, though. Me mates and I loved to play a game when it got cold where we would keep our willies warm by putting them in each other's arsehole. Called it an "East-end rear-end", we did. Nothing gay about it, just helping a m8 stay warm!

I tried greeting an American friend the other day with the customary Southwicke wiggly giggly, but apparently the colonists here call that "rape". Prudish Americans, the lot of them.

>>128757685
>British Young Man just cant stop bombing each other

>tfw used to rage about gays
>tfw on my back with my legs wrapped around my boyfriends back while I'm being fucked a squealing like a little bitch

Funny how things turn out :3

I remember the first time I put his cock in my mouth. The faggot in me just blossomed.

You just feel so safe in a mans arms when he holds you and says your his little petal

>>128764880
If this boy was older (he seems a little young) I'd kiss his dick

>>128765055
>I think about suicide every day.

Do the world a favor and KYS.

>>128765055
Divorce? Do they have that where you're from?

>>128765432
Same

>>128765055
Awww you poor thing :(

>>128760004

Former Brit here as well. I miss the old Chunnel Funnel nights.

>>128765055
I can so relate to this friend, I'm in exactly the same situation, only instead of men it's anime girls for me, and I can't even talk to them.

Say, any of you other lads enjoy a bit of dress up?

It all started with wearing me sisters dresses, it did. These days I dress like the Queen. All in good fun, of course.

>>128765055
just go to the local pub and kiss the men there. apparently it's the thing you all love to do.

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>>128757685

Can you really blame English boys for turning into faggots when this is a 10/10?

>see Arya Stark gliding down the sidewalk
>like a graceful penguin with gout
>follow her for a block
>working up courage
>gently touch her shoulder
“H-hello, I’m Anon. Y-you’re the prettiest girl I’ve seen all day! W-would you join me for dinner?”
>she spins around nearly smashing me in the balls with an Abercrombie bag
>stares intently for a few moments
>then breaks into a grin that looks like she could eat an apple through a chain link fence
“YEH ORLRITE! FAK IT, WHY NOT? I CUD DO WIV SOME FREE GRUB ANNA LITTLE OF THE OL IN OUT!”
>quickly grab her hand and go into the first restaurant I see that has tablecloths
“FAKKIN ELL! POSH ERE INNIT? GLAD I PUT SUM KNICKERS ON!
>she lets out a little giggle that sounds like a horse with it’s leg caught in a wood chipper
>head waiter gives me the stinkeye but leads us to a table
>Arya cocks her head and squints at the menu
“ERE NOW, WATS THIS SHITE? IT’S ORL IN FAKKIN FRENCH! OI CARNT READ THIS, I’LL END UP GETTIN A PLATE OF FAKKIN SNAILS WUNNOI?!?”
>look at the menu. It’s in English, just a fancy script
>she shoves her menu at the waiter
“I WONT PIE AND MASH DUNNOI. PLENTY OF LIKKER ON THA MASH, GUV!”
“I’m sorry, madam, we don-“
“I SED FAKKIN PIE AND MASH M8! AND A PINTA LARGER FOR ME EDACHE!”
>he slinks away without even taking my order
>Arya pulls a pack of Mayfairs from her cleavage and sparks up, ashing in the bread basket
>starts rubbing at her crotch
>brings her fingers up and licks them then cackles
“JOLLY FAKKIN ELL, IT’S ME TIME! OI LUV GITTIN SHAGGED ONNA RAG! GUNNA AVE US A RED WEDDIN INNA LOO, AIN’T WE?”
>look over my shoulder and franticly signal the waiter for the check
>turn around
>Arya is slumped over the table
>raped to death by Pakis

mfw

>>128757685
Hahaha awesome. Morefags trigger /pol/

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why is sweden appropriating your culture?

>>128762169
>bungay_jumping.jpg

>>128762631

t.country that mutilates baby dicks before suckling them

>>128765055
How exactly do you get to 28 and breed 3 times without realising you are gay? Serious question. Are you sure it's not just a phase you are going through or a temporary mental illness? Maybe talk to a doctor about it. Don't throw your family away for some perverse sexual desire, which could very well only be temporary

>>128765055

LOVE TRUMPS HATE, just be an immense faggot and spread your aids to your sons, everything will be okay with the power of your faggotry

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>Implying you wouldnt kiss him

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>>128757685
We always knew they were fags.

It's probably the foreskins. Burgers have a smaller average size with all their niggers due to removing penis pieces. And Israel is the home of the feminist

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>>128757685
to be fair that bong makes a good point.. the thing is, im NOT gay, never done anything gay with a guy in my life, and i love pussy and women, but.. i also had similar view as that bong, and so i tried kissing a guy (friend of a friend) to test and i close my eyes when i kiss and for some reason i got a hard on because i think it was more just the sensation rather than WHO it was. Anyway i tried further by exchanging handjobs, but again i think i imagine a woman somehow and i came anyway. So now I dunno, seems stupid as a way to test doesn't it??? im striaght goddamnit i know im straight always have been always will be. peace anons

>>128757685
Brit here, can confirm that myself and many males I know have indeed kissed their male friends for a laugh. Only ever been done by myself once and I was drunk.

>>128767080
I'd do more than a kiss

>>128767080
I'll just punch this faggot sodomite in the face

>>128758054
>>128758270
I went to school for a year in UK and it was a common thing. Just for shit an giggles tho, nothing gay with it.

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>>128757685
Brit here, can confirm. The women here is too ugly that brits went gay. That's why you even see 50 years old brits going to Thailand just to fuck ladyboys.

>>128757685
Former Brit here, can confirm.

My m8eys and I used to wank each other too. It wasn't gay though, we were just practicing for the day when teacher would allow us to wank ourselves.

This thread probably has more Jewish posters than any in the history of this site. Interesting that it's about homosexuality.

>>128769862
Nice try. Jews hate males. Jewish men have nothing to do with their religion. Who becomes one. It's all the mother. Unlike anybody else. Also that one guy saying he wed and suffers now only to hear bullshit, he should take Truvada and realise gays could have made his kids anyways. Come out and the fuck is the difference?

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>this is the current state of /pol/

>>128757685
Can confirm me and my mates have violent anal sex on the street as a way of greeting each other, it is not uncommon to have to give a hand job for someone who holds a door open for you

>>128768467
I'll punch you if you hurt cuties

>>128759940
kek

>>128757685

>this thread again

quit bumping this shit retards

>>128757685
>>128758054
>>128758270

fag trolls

I despite British men. fucking subhuman faggots

BongJob BongJob, Choo Choo!

Little bit too much period juices flowing in here now

>>128757685
death to white people

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>Controversial topic guaranteed to get a lot of responses
>Not related to politics
>Not related to current news

Slide thread detected. Move along folks.

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>>128759760
>Wat do
picrelated

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>>128760485
Aye

>>128759611
duh. but you're on a forum of a bunch of losers that think everybody should be like them; white, fat, unemployed and frustrated that they're at the computer all day.

this is a cute thread
>tfw no boyfriend
:(

>>128772569
FUCK

YOU

RUSSIAN ISLAMIST SCUM
FUCK PUTIN AND HIS CHECHNYIAN DOGS

>>128773322
It is a cute friend except for the homophobes

>>128757685
Any French guy would say: 'I told you so'

>>128773459
Thread*

>>128758732
fellow former Trump supporter here as well. it's fun watching him crash and burn. but me and the mates used to do the same thing except we would get naked and wrestle with our cocks and then shove them up each other's asses.

>>128773322
Tfw cute boyfriend in a literal /polgbt/ relationship!

It will happen anon I believe :3

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>>128773397
sad

>>128763753
>new hitler will be muslim
i cant see that end well for either of us ovenboy , also you´re an insult to real jews that don´t want to rule with an iron rod and destroy everyone around them.

you satanic mongoloid.

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>>128772404
>boohooo i hate fucking laughter and want the maximum depression news and discussions we´ve had for the last 20 years everyday.

off yourself idort.

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>>128757685
>89% of Bongs are gay
IMAGINE MY SHOCK

>>128757685

L M F A O

Holy fucking shit. I'm done.

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>>128758054
>>128758270

>In 2014, British sociologists Eric Anderson and Mark McCormack published a study which shows that 93% of British heterosexuals student-athletes had spooned or cuddled with a male friend, as a sign of friendship.

Just gonna leave that here.

>>128757685

british teen boys should be beaten by muslim and white sharia gangs

>>128757685
i'm british boyh and ccan confirm i do kiss the other boywith some frequency

>>128777612
That's what is called being a faggot.

Stab yourself.

>>128777980
Ee doesn't even av a knoife m8

Oi lads! Former Brit here, just wanted to pop in and jolly well confirm these shenanigans as truth. Me and me old m80s used to slap asses each time we saw each other as a form of greeting. A way of saying hello and goodbye. Nothin' gay m8!

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>>128757685

It's called the English disease.

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>>128760179
>or a Peckingham Gob Wobbler

every trying to be "funny"
actual brit brings the bants

god bless this country

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6_vyGuhkfA

>>128779720
*everyone

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>ywn be called by your British master in the middle of toilet scrubbing
>ywn be forced to lick his cute feet while being called worthless slavshit in a Queens Accent
>ywn force your finger into his tight butthole and hear his cute moan which interrupts his tea drinking session
>ywn fuck his boipussy raw while he screams "GOD SAVE THE QUEEN" in a fit of orgasmic pleasure
>ywn cum inside his butthole while kissing passionately sticking tongues in each other's mouths
>ywn fall asleep cuddling under one bed sheet

>>128757685
The brojob is an american invention, bud

>>128761159
"he" has a pussy.

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being gay below age 25 is acceptable but after that it becomes kinda disgusting desu. young boys are cute and pure but men are just gross beyond a certain age.

>>128774558
Don't you have some dash cam death videos to make? Filthiest "Western" country to date

>>128782698
Make

>>128782157
The exact same thing applies to women mate. They start to look awful as soon as they hit 30. Even after 25 if they haven't looked after themselves. If you're a faggot and you are in your 30s or over then you just gotta learn to be a good top and find some 18-25 y.o. fag with a daddy kink. There are plenty of those around.

>>128781301
No it's actually a guy honey

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>mfw this thread

Include me in the inevitable, bong-shaming screencap

>>128757685
I tongued my work mates frooty loop on the loo today and I called him faggot. Best banter we had this week.

How old did you start playing with dicks?
Me and my m8 sucked dicks and put objects in our bumholes at only 7.

>>128763653
Nha your just a fag that shit only happens in bongland you would get frost bite on your dick here

It's not uncommon in Ireland, not as common as the brits because obviously the historical tension but me and a few of the lads would play tonsil tekken every now and then in the back of the class trying not to get caught by the teacher. You'd pass a gollier from your mouth into your mate's then he'd try pass it on to another, the goal was the get it around the room back to the first lad without getting caught.