Daily reminder.

>>128746411
Wrong, Toledo is part of Spain.

>>128746411
This North/South division also exists in Belgium, in Germany, in France, in Italy, in Portugal, in Morocco, in Algeria, in Europe as a whole, the world as a whole, etc.

Stop being a subversive and dividing your own country, you idiot.

Phew at least Catalonians are on the other side.

>>128746411
fuck catalonia aka east castille and basque country aka north castille
we stand ready to honor the ancient alliance castilbros
UNA
GRANDE
LIBRE

>>128748685
Redpill me on this Serb-Spanish alliance

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>>128748378
>your own country

Pic related, the south is not my country. Fuck off.

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>>128749021
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_Frontier

After the Serbian Empire fell, it was Serbs who were the Habsburg body block against the Turks, back when Habsburgs reigned in Spain and in central Europe
>ironic given later history, 1914, but that happened bc annexation of Bosnia

And of course there is the recognition of Kosovo

And of course

>>128749522
>Basing your beliefs about the people of parts of your country off internet memes
Get out of your basement for once and proceed to kill yourself.

>>128747996
Toledo is in Ohio, retard.
>Spanish education

>>128748685
kys roach rapebaby

>>128749573
so, nothing. lmao

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>>128746411
Sorry Manolo you're all shitskins for us.

>>128749721
>Basing your beliefs about the people of parts of your country off internet memes

I have been in the south. They speak funny, their culture sucks, the land is a barren wasteland and they all look like arabs. And it never rains. It is total shit. Again, fuck off.

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>>128749750
(You)
In all seriousness, I didn't know there was a city called Toledo in Ohio.

>>128748378
Said the southern subhuman.

>>128749937
Sure you have little guy, sure you have.

>>128749893
i support spanish unity but scottish independence will be the best day of my life, ahmed

>>128748378
Don't forget England.

>>128749988
Nice arguments.

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>>128750029
At least we agree on something mate

>>128749905
Finally, I can agree with a spanish for once.

>>128746411
DOn't you dare to talk shit about Murcia, ACHO!!! ACHO!!!

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>>128749905
>Vasconia
>Cantabria
>Asturias
>Galicia

>Africa

>>128750035
Nice evidence, you could have posted genetic data but instead you post a meme to claim how shitty the south is in >>128749522

>>128749905
100% correct

>>128749905
>Catalonia
>Europe

>>128749905
i'd include the balearic islands

>>128748378
spain is a non-nation they can't even have words in their anthem cause its so triggering

How does Spain feel about Latin America?

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>>128750200
>Murica
>Not Mexico

>>128750308
portugal is LITERALLY africa you fuckin moor

>>128750349
Sudaca

>>128750155
Why do I need genetic data when they look more swarthy and you can't see one single blonde/redhead in the streets?

And I don't even care that much about that, the rest (culture, landscapes, climate, language) is much more important. And it is total trash, it sucks. Morocco is probably better than southern Spain.

Spaniards are the biggest retards of the world. They truly are the beaners of Europe. It's pathetic how they try to create non existent divides between the north and the south when they're not that genetically different.

>>128750308
We have semi-official ones
>>128750349
It's complicated

>>128746411
Why didnt you rename andalucia, literally straight from those that tried making you islamic

>>128750602
>%56 white

>>128750308
poortgual should just be annexed by spain
it makes no sense for it to be independent

>>128750602
I agree. Foreigners always have a better image of Spain than Spaniards, mainly because we are all so fucking retarded and fight for stupid bullshit.
At this point I might move out because having conversations with other Spaniards on the internet is becoming extremely obnoxious.

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>>128750579
Because it's simply false.
>There are no blonde or redheads in the South
You've never been here. Stop pretending you have.

>>128746411

why isn't portugal part of spain?

>>128750688
VANDALucia
still, they should have renamed it after something other than germanic barbarians

>>128750688
Should change the name, the flag and the anthem (flag and anthem made by a moor loving republican cuck)

>>128749905
Should say "EASTERN EUROPE".
Fucked-up commie cunts.
Catalunya is the shittest part of Spain.

>>128750602
Culture, landscapes, climate, language, and the rest are far more important than genetics.

We could argue about the genetic part (there is still a difference, but whatever) but try to say that Spain is all the same regarding the rest. lol.

>>128750826
soon my friend

but portugal is poorer and more moor than andalusia

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>>128749573
>Body block
>Couldn't even stop ottomans from conquering most of Hungary

>>128750956
Portugal would fucking ruin the economy though.

>>128750956

i'm hoping to do the camino de santiago next year. any tips?

>>128750812
I have been in the south, but you didn't read my post. Or you conviniently ignored it.

>And I don't even care that much about that, the rest (culture, landscapes, climate, language) is much more important

Anyways, here you go

The Baques are indeed somewhat different genetically from other Spaniards. They have a bit more Northwest European ancestry (inherited from Mesolithic hunter-gatherers), and completely lack Red Sea, Southwest Asian and Caucasian admixtures (see autosomal maps). The absence of Red Sea and Southwest Asian admixture indicates that the Basques do not have any Phoenician, Jewish, Greek, Roman or Arabic ancestry. Looking at maternal lineages, the Basques also stand out from the rest of the peninsula, lacking many haplogroups, be it those associated with African or Southwest Asian ancestry (HV, L, M1, U3, U6) or those linked to the original Indo-European homeland in Eastern Europe (H2a1, H4, H7, H8, H11, H15, I, T1a1a1, U2, U4, W). They make up for it with higher frequencies of Mesolithic and Neolithic lineages (H1, H2a2a, H3, H5a3, J2a1a, J1c, K1a, T2, U5, V and X). This is in perfect agreement with the fact that Basque language is non-Indo-European. What generally comes as a surprise is that 85% of Basque paternal lineages belong to the Proto-Celtic R1b-P312. This can be explained by the fast replacement of male lineages due to warfare with neighbouring Proto-Celts and the establishment of a Celtic ruling class who quickly spread their Y-DNA through polygamy.

from eupedia.com

>>128750812
Interestingly the Catalans also lack the Southwest Asian ancestry, but do have some Red Sea and Caucasian genes. The Southwest Asian admixture is slightly more common in southern Portugal and Andalusia, which is consistent with the higher historical presence of Phoenician, Roman and Arabic people in that region. The Basques and the Catalans are the only Western European completely lacking genetic contribution from Southwest Asia. This is also translated in an extreme scarcity of Y-haplogroups J1, E-M34 and T, which are all typically Southwest Asian linages.

from eupedia.com

>>128751084
wear comfortable shoes and have a big fat steak when you arrive in melide. god tier

>>128750764
serbia i thought you'd be able to relate to our struggle against roach-like invaders. i guess you're just a habsburg shill

>>128750764
yet kosovo exists

>>128746411
Which part of Spain is the whitest? Also, what goes on in Galicia and Asturias?

>>128748378
Australia, but were also large enough to have an east west division on top of that as well, shits fucked.

>>128751012
The last true Germans died in WWII. Modern Germany is the product of soviet rape gangs post-WWII.

>>128751026
military frontier was after the fall of hungary when habsburgs pushed back

besides you got cucked worse than us, pakistan and bangladesh are like giant bosnia and kosovo

andalusians are wh-

andalusians are hu-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hGYiTKEMoQ

>>128751249
strength in unity, brother
spain will have a qt queen next
why not have a Portuguese king of the iberian union
like castille-aragon marriage

>>128750764
>Portugal annexed by Spain
>not Spain annexed by Portugal
Kys faggot

>>128751084
Unless you're religious, skip the last leg and head for Portugal instead.

Galacia is a bit of a let-down compared to neighboring regions.

>>128749948
Fun fact: There was almost a civil war fought over Toledo between Michigan territory and Ohio state.

This was also how Michigan got statehood despite not meeting population requirement in exchange for backing the hell off.

>>128746411
I'm sorry, but some of the most Spanish Spaniards and whitest whites I know are from Malaga.

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>>128751510
australia i am triggered hard by you being included in civilization 6 as a separate civilization
for fucks sake

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>>128751177
>Southwest Asian ancestry
HAHAHAHAHAHA, I guess if having SWA ancestry makes you non-white, Catalonians are among the only whites!
Also see >>128750812
What language? Castilian?

>>128751518
>>128751237

thanks for the tips

Oh hey! Another Americ- Oh it's a Spain thread this time....

>>128746411
Pull the line down to include Toledo and Valencia and it's accurate.

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Obligatory "what typical Spanish women look like" post.

>>128746411
>Africa starts at the Pyrenees
Albert Camus

I don't remember but I'm pretty sure some Anglo cunt said the same thing about the Channel.

We're all the nigger of someone else Ricardo.

>>128751484
nation states are the more perfect form of organization for societies. if you think EU is a raw deal imagine giving madrid more power. a country with a different language even. a king is a temporary fix and bigger problems will boil over.

>>128751084
full of psychos, last year an american chink was murdered doing the camino

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>>128750124
I guess I could include basques yes but Cantabria, Asturias and Galicia are hotspots for moorish ancestry plus their economy sucks even tho they have barely no immigrants -> Africa tier.

>>128750270
Balearics are catalan rapebabies but mongrels can't compare to the pure breed sorry.

>>128751297
Here, take the catalan redpill.
>Pic related.

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Typical Basque woman.

>>128749948
Toledo, Ohio is bigger than Toledo, Spain

>>128752029
>Andalusian
>Spanish
pick one

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>>128751012

>>128749948
There are like dozens of cities with Spanish names scattered throughout the Americas
I believe there are several Cordobas, Granadas etc

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>>128746411
Oh is it this Thread again?

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>>128749905
FTFY

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>>128752154
We can all agree with this

>>128752468
GIBRALTAR CATALAN YOU FAGGOT!

>>128751805
You ignore everything, because you don't want to see it. Here, have more.

The Suebi were the only of the three tribes that actually settled in Iberia. As a Germanic tribe, they would have brought haplogroups I1, I2a2a (M223, formerly known as I2b1), R1b-U106 and R1a (L664, Z282 and Z283 subclades) to the Iberian peninsula, and indeed all of them except R1a are found essentially in the western half of the Iberian, especially in Portugal and Galicia. R1a is found in northern Castile, Asturias and Cantabria, and could either have been brought there by the Visigoths, or be the descendants of Mesolithic hunter-gatherers (as is the case of the Pasiegos).

Galicia, northern and central Portugal, and Catalonia are the regions with the highest ratios of Germanic Y-DNA today (approx. 5 to 10% of the male lineages), which is consistent with the historical settlements of the Suebi, and the Frankish influence in Catalonia's case.

>muh what language.

Shut up idiot. EVERYTHING is different, the language, the culture, the climate, the landscapes,etc. We can argue about genetics but you already know that, stop pretending.

>>128748685
Kosovo is Serbia

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>>128752113
Stop spreading bullshit like that.

What can be ascertained is that northern regions such as Cantabria, Asturias and even Galicia have negligible medieval Arabic, Jewish and Phoenician ancestry, and therefore the presence of Southwest Asian haplogroups should be attributed to Neolithic herders. Maternal Southwest Asian lineages included especially HV, J1d, J2a2, U3, X1 as well as some K, T and X2 subclades. Autosomal data shows a maximum of 12% of Southwest Asian and Red Sea DNA in southern Portugal and western Andalusia, and a minimum of 0% in the Basque country.

Bruh what.
Ive been to Sevilla, Cadiz, Toledo and Valencia

hardly any negroids in sight, the ones I did see were on the street selling sunglasses during the day, and coke at night

>>128752678
I don't speak Andalusian, I speak Castilian, what are you talking about?
You talk about me ignoring everything yet you ignore what I post, interesting.
You're now implying that only Germanics are white, which is blatant nordicidist propaganda and false.
I repeat, see >>128751805 and >>128750812

>>128752678
What about Ancient Greeks, they colonized south of Spain right?

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>>128752619
Not the Point. Stop dividing your own Peninsula

>>128746411
África empieza en los Pirineos

>>128751355

Just stop. Serbs were nothing during that time and did nothing besides taking ottoman Turk cock up the ass and fighting for the Ottomans against Christians. Look up battle of nicopolis, second battle of Kosovo and literally ever battle that involved Serbs after 1389. You were slaves roach!

>>128753022
Yes, North of the Pyrenees, we know.

>>128752471
>>128752604
Really?

Only 2.1% of your population is Muslim.
Why tf is southern spain considered Africa or Mooristan?

>>128753022
Indeed, you start seeing a lot of niggers and moors once you are in France.

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>>128751177
Tfw being iberian conquistador, basques are brothers

>>128753151
We have lots of gypsies and moors here but the claims are exaggerate, it's just plain ignorance.

>>128753263
not white

you look mexican

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>>128752868

>negligible

>>128751285
Not by Serbia's choice mind you.

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>>128749905

>>128753127
>>128753235
how do I get a spanish gf

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>>128753263
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

FUCK OFF ALREADY, STOP EXISTING

>>128753285
>We have lots of gypsies
ok
>and moors
couidado, you're basically half Moor spanishbro

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>>128753440
>Wanting a Spanish gf
Only a true Conquistador can tame such beast

>>128753263
not spaniard

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>>128753038
Kek, that dumb slavic nigger can't accept that his ancestors sucked the turkish cock.

>>128752941
No, only the Eastern coastline of the peninsula
Andalusians are really Arabs, no chance for Greek or Roman noble blood

>>128753353
The presence of Caucasian and Red Sea admixtures without any substantial Southwest Asian admixture generally points to a Neolithic origin. The Southwest Asian admixture is only substantial in south-west Iberia. So basically, you don't know what are you talking about.

And yes, 10% of Y-DNA is negligible. Genetic markers are useful when you look at them as a whole (Y-DNA, mtDNA and autosomal data) and can serve as a reference to infer the origins of a population. They mean nothing on an individual level. This also goes for the retards who decide to take a genetic test, you are basically wasting your money.

>>128753774
>POO

>>128753038
fuck off ahmed, go back to pakistan
always kill a traitor before you kill an enemy. yeah you had serb lords who backstabbed and rode with the ottomans.
this is why serbian empire fell in the first place.
but read the article on the military frontier, the serb free peasants stood fast

someday soon pakistan will be reannexed by india and indus will run red with traitor blood, ahmed

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>>128753353
Also, look at that brown spot in the north. They are the pasiegos, a hightly isolated group in the mountains.

Pic related. You have gone off the deep end if you think they are not "white".

>>128753785
Well, considering they were Phoenician/Carthiginian territory, makes sense.

>>128746411
Valencia is clean OP. Don't be a faggot.

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>>128754068
Phoenicians were not Arabs desu
They were pretty white and Mediterranean looking

>>128752045

Said the maghrebin.

>>128753859

>muh peasants fighting

Serbs were just acting like welfare niggers running away typical Serb trait. It was Croats and Magyars that kept the Turks out of Central Europe not Serbshits. Serbshits were too busy fighting for Turks on the front or in just sucking Turks off in the harem.

>>128754420
Genetic analysis showed Phoenecians are literraly identical with people who live in nowadays libanon - who are considered arabs nowadays. Although yes, they are different then the real arabs from the arabian peninsula

>>128755061
Syrians and lebanese are closer to other mediterranean populations than anywhere else in the middle east. But they still have a lot of arab admixture.

>>128754420

uh the Phoenicians originally came from eastern Arabia....

>>128755061
>Genetic analysis showed Phoenecians are literraly identical with people who live in nowadays libanon
sauce?

>>128755267
Hell no, they are sandniggers, iberians habe nothing to do with them.

>>128746411
What about the islands?

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>>128753263
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>128754450
I'm not an arab nor a berber, I'm a French who is whiter than the tons of Portuguese immigrants in my Parisian suburb town.

They are still good, god fearing people who don't chimpout, well as long as their soccer team is not winning.

>>128755589
Portuguese are converted moors and jews thats why.

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>>128755403
Looking at human populations like if you could draw a clear line somewhere is retarded at this point and it makes us lose credibility. We are all mixed. Which doesn't mean races don't exist. Pic related.

>>128755589
My liniage is defined since 711, fight the moors, conquer, win, cobquer new world, here I am. I have no converso or morisco blood.

>>128755848
Fick off sand nigger

>>128755944
Pretty clever. Should I remind you that there is nothing more "sandnigger" that low intelligence?

>>128755848
Fuck off, i can tell half moors quarter moors and octroon moors from proper iberians

>>128756031
Fuck off sandnigger

>>128755767

Those are cristãos-novos, most were forced to leave to protestant shitholes like yours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Christian

>>128755589

Imigrants are not like original portuguese, they adapt even tough some try to keep their costumes, but at least the soccer part they are like us.

>>128752400
There's a Guadalajara in Spain what the fuck

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>>128752868
Northwestern Iberia is a hotspot for moorish ancestry, both in ydna and autosomal dna. If it was of neolithic origin it would be more homogeneously spread in all the peninsula, instead it is localised in the western side.
Compare the huge drop in R1b and increase in shitskin ydna for NW castile and NE castile in the map I posted before, also for western and eastern Andalusia.

It is true that Galicia and Asturias show more northern european-like admixture but also more moorish. Catalonia is the only place which is at the same time high in north euro and low in shitskin.

>>128756399
Of course Pedro remember you were colonized by Spain for centuries

>>128756115
>>128753263

Says the mexican.

>>128756543
Yeah, Castille used to banish moors to Galicia and Asturias after the Reconquista. It was sort of a punishment.

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>>128752868
>>128756543
And about mtdna pic related.
See where nigger haplogroups L and moorish U6 are higher.

>>128756543
it is likely still neolithic in origin but late neolithic and from a different source likely coming from northwest Africa all the way from the levant and linked with the megalithism phenomena

>another D&C thread
>all these newfags falling for it
sage

ITT buttblasted Catalonians pretending to not be Spanish.

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>>128749905

>>128748685
Kosovo je Srbija

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>>128756543
You didn't read what I said. Read again >>128752868 and >>128753805
and >>128754044

Pasiegos have the hightest percentage of E-M81, would you say that they are not european? Pic related.

No, there is no significant moorish admixture in the north. While would it be widespread, because you said so? If it was of medieval origin it would be present in Cataluña too.

By the way, the north of the Basque country is way more "pure" than catallonia, read here>>128751136

But as I said here >>128755848 talking about purity at this point is retarded and it makes any racial argument lose credibility.

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>>128756818
That's because most moors lived in Aragon, Granada and specially Valencia. Once they were expelled some didn't leave for North Africa but fled to "less intolerant" regions in Iberia.

>>128756869
Then explain the difference between western Andalusia: 54% R1b and 15% E and western Andalusia: 72% R1b and 4% E.
No way there is such a divide after so many thousands of years. Must be recent.

>>128757595
Moors only lasted 766 years in the peninsula no "thousands" and that was as elites not population displacements.

>>128757595
mate that sample size is abysmal, and in any case the difference isn't huge at all for such area
you find bigger uniparental diversity in Sardinia alone between different mountainous areas kek

the fact that R1b is higher in the east is not surprising either

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>>128756868
>>128756543

You don't seem to know what are you talking about. By that rule of thumb, catallonians are arabs compared with basques.

It is not that you are wrong, it is that you don't know how to interpret those results.

>>128757763
Moors lasted 0 years north pf the duero

Morir mierdas gachupinas, México más rico e importante que vosotros Jajajaja

>>128757426
Kid on the rigth looks slav, kid on the right have a weird head, could be Basque

>>128758107
>kid on the left have a weird head, could be Basque
fixed

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>>128746411

I talked to a lot of Spanish girls online when I was learning Spanish. Catalan girls are all arrogant cunts and SJWs, avoid them

Girls from Andalucia are the nicest, but they are still kind of shitty compared to Latinas.

>>128757869
But those weren´t muslims, they were convert christians. so they used to go north and take a low profile to avoid persecution.

>>128758254
that's historically, now put the nowadays paki blood

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>>128746411
reconquista when?

>>128748378

spbp

>>128758342
Our women look, sound and smell like men. Avoid at all costs.

>>128758408
Fuck off kike

>>128758342
Latinas aré Master race , john mohamed, spanish girls have dicks and they aré femminists

>>128758516
they're feminine enough they're just arrogant in that "oh we come from Western continental Europe and love feminism" type of way

>>128758571
Why are you calling me a kike?

>>128758254

That map alone says nothing. But lets interpret it like a stupid person: It proves that the majority of Spain, north and south, is overwhelmingly european. Only the 10% of western iberians, the 5% of central iberians and the 2.5% of east iberians are africans.

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>>128757861
Berber genes are not that bad anyway

>>128758861
Face it, Spic. You're just the Mexico of Europe.

>>128758847
>they're feminine enough
What kind of women are you used to, britbro? They all smoke, drink, have raspy voices, hairy bodies, square jaws and act like insufferable cunts.

>>128757426
>>128757861
I know what I'm talking about and provided sources to prove what I'm saying is true.
Moorish ancestry is very low across all the Iberian peninsula exept basques who have none. Still there are differences and that's was my point.
I don't know what you disagree with me exactly.

>>128757860
95 and 73 samples are enough to give a proper idea. And at least I gave an explanation of why it is of medieval origin and not neolithic. You gave 0.

>>128759055
>They all smoke, drink
not that much, less than almost all other women in Europe

I will take a Spanish mommy gf

>>128759039
>the Mexico of Europe.
The Argentina of Europe, the Mexico of Europe is Poland, we aren't in the border of Germany

>>128758342
Latinas aré Master race , john mohamed, spanish girls have dicks and they aré femminists>>128759039
They aré the worst México btw negro

>>128759039
Our crime rate is among the lowest in the EU and the standards of living among the highest. We're relatively poor and lazy, that's true. You can't compare us to festering shitholes like Mexico though where you risk being murdered every time you go outside and most of men don't live past 60.

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>>128759164
>You gave 0
its pattern, that simple, as well as evidence of similar north african input in ancient samples from Funnelbeaker culture in Sweden, linked to the megalithic culture in Iberia

what's your explanation for it being medieval again? I mean, maybe a part of it can be medieval, but it's homogeneity and gradient makes me doubt it

>>128759230
So you're with Spain being the "Argentina" of Europe. They're a fucking joke in the Latin American community. Nobody takes them seriously.

>>128759543
Fuck off sudaca trash

>>128758342
Latinas aré Master race , john mohamed, spanish girls have dicks and they aré femminists>>128759039
They aré the worst México btw negro >>128759446
La longevidad en México es casi de 80 años , árabe estúpido , sois el México de África os guste o no gilipollas

>>128759543
>the Latin American community
>Bolivia Peru Ecuador Venezuela, Honduras, El Salvador, etc...
Argentina is fine-tier, they even have migrants from other South American shitholes

>>128759916
Argentina is shit, they are cleaning up tables in Mexico, the best Spanish speaking country in the world stupid gallego.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzT3AQGj2jk&t=7s

>>128751409
whats going on here? what do the ribbons mean?

>>128759482
>what's your explanation for it being medieval again?
- The fact that it is concentrated in the western part of Iberia and is not homogeneous so can't have happened 5000 years ago.
- Megalithic culture spreads much further north and yet there is no moorish admixture outside of Iberia.
- All the ancient samples haven't shown any trace of ancestry from North Africa, only living people today.
- These 2 studies which place admixture during medieval era.
http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2947089/

>>128759164
>Moorish ancestry is very low across all the Iberian peninsula exept basques who have none. Still there are differences and that's was my point.
I don't know what you disagree with me exactly.

I am mostly agree. But I still think there is more genetical difference between north and south than between east and west. There are some things that make me think that the african markers in the north are of neolithic origin, while those in the south are not. Here are some:

Phenotypical differences: The higther percentage of light hair and eyes. It is not a huge difference, but it is there. In some areas of the south you can't find one single blonde/readhead or they are extremely rare, while in both Galicia and Catallonia it is not strange at all.

Genetic differences: As I said before, the presence of Caucasian and Red Sea admixtures without any substantial Southwest Asian admixture generally points to a Neolithic origin. The Southwest Asian admixture is only substantial in south-west Iberia.

Counter-intuitive patterns: Isolated populations having a high percentage of north-african Y-DNA sounds counter-intuitive: As I said several times, the pasiegos have the hightest percentage of north-african Y-DNA ancestry. Yet you hardly find people among them who look like modern north-africans.

>>128753151
>only

Over 0.1% is too much

>>128760328
>Mexico
Dangerous af, only worth Playa del Carmen all the other that you have there is horrible, and I'm not into indian culture whatever you have near you hut

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>>128760328
Filthy sudaca trash

>>128746411
Murcians are not human.

>>128760583
>The fact that it is concentrated in the western part of Iberia and is not homogeneous so can't have happened 5000 years ago.

Why not? The population in iberia didn't mix as much, there are several studies proving that. In fact, the amount of similarity between catallonians and valencians and ancient iberians it's said to be ashtonishing, considering that iberians existed 2000 years ago.

>Megalithic culture spreads much further north and yet there is no moorish admixture outside of Iberia.

The mountains are a huge barrier, and some roman historians already said that iberian celts were fairly different from other celts.

>All the ancient samples haven't shown any trace of ancestry from North Africa, only living people today.

Even if it was of north african origin, what makes you think that it comes from medieval times? It may come from original berbers, who were originally european but are heavily mixed with africans and arabs now.

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Anybody in Barcelona wanna hang out? I'm lonely and friendless and have nothing to do on weekends.

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>>128761538
Are you a faggot?

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>>128761027
Yucatan peninsula is full of Mayan indians, I live in North Mexico, the whitest region in Mexico. Mexico has 55 M of whites. Indians are only 75 because you killed, raped, and stole their gold, get a fucking book in your fucking life once Manolo.

European Mexicans
Total population
(Mexico
Estimates ranges from 11 to 56 million[1][2][3][4]
9-47% of Mexican population[2]

United States
16,794,111[5]
5.4% of United States population
32.2% of Hispanic and Latino Americans)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexicans_of_European_descent

Mexico is better than your starving country, stop comign here degenerate fucks.

http://sociedad.elpais.com/sociedad/2012/12/16/vidayartes/1355683241_924585.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KM2ESMsQDKM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHzcFLPJe6I&t=914s

Mexico has better beuty than your shitty rock

>>128761538
Never seen a spaniard selling boipussy, only siestapussy.

>>128761538
How do you survive in that shithole?

>>128761688
Shut up sudaca trash

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>>128746411
>"Espana" stops short of Catalunya
Very wise indeed

>>128746411
There is a natural division marked by the Douro River, as based Risco said.

>>128761688
Shhhh, sudaca, it´s all over now. And no, you are not getting your gold and silver back.

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>>128761955
How can we remove sudaca trash from our land comrade?

>>128749905
The more shitskin of all spanish regions spoke, listen to him.

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>>128761955
I am white. you only stole the quinto real of 20% indian gold. you are useless lazy fucks hahahahahahaahha, you cant do anything well.

https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quinto_del_Rey

We dont need the stolen 20% of gold, Mexico is the 11th richest country.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwqB9g5ikLQ

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>>128761660
Si.
But I'm not interested in sex or hooking up.

>>128761713
I don't sell my body.

>>128761737
I have a job that pays decently and I work remotely from home, so I only have to go outside rarely to buy groceries at the supermarket in my street. Also I live in a nice part of town in the center, so it's mostly alright, my only complaint would be constant sirens and cars making noise when I have my window open. And it being a bit too hot.

>>128760583
>The fact that it is concentrated in the western part of Iberia and is not homogeneous so can't have happened 5000 years ago
that's not an argument, there is no reason why it would need to spread out evenly in the whole peninsula, people back then moved much less than today
and in any case, we're talking about small values

>Megalithic culture spreads much further north and yet there is no moorish admixture outside of Iberia.
that's because most of Europe underwent important population changes due to the arrival of steppe people in the bronze age, that's why in other parts of Europe where megalithic culture was widespread it's not detectable anymore
hell, a recent paper on Bell Beakers speaks of even 90% population replacement in Britain after the neolithic

Iberia or Sardinia on the other hand have retained much more old European input, that why it wasn't washed away

>All the ancient samples haven't shown any trace of ancestry from North Africa, only living people today.
wrong, check the Gokhem samples from Sweden
see http://www.eupedia.com/genetics/funnelbeaker_culture.shtml

>http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetics/article?id=10.1371/journal.pgen.1001373
this paper is utter crap and its methodology has been debunked, check Dienekes on the matter

>>128746411
you need to a draw a line on the pyrenees

then write Africa on top of it, fucking france is done for

>>128762423
Kys faggot

>>128762648
No.

>>128761955
They got part of the riches from Spanish Civil War that Republican """refugees""" brought from Spain. 300 millions $ according to wiki.

SAGE this thread.

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Is it true that spanish people take long siestas in the middle of the day?

>>128749905

This 100%

Catalunya is not Spain

>>128760610
>>128762506

Now I have more reasons to think that it is of neolithic origin, this guy makes sense when you look at this map >>128759482

Look at my other reasons here too: >>128760610

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Someone red pill me on Asensio , the dude who scored the 4th goal vs Juventus in Champions league final.

how is he half Dutch and half spanish , but yet looks more southern european than Iniesta for example.

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>>128763048
yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djHalkdvUtE

those inferior wild animals inherited us that.

>>128763296
>((dutch))

Spaniards in /pol/ are all lurkers EXCEPT when it's a Spain thread. Then, that thread is ALL Spaniards. Hmm.

>>128763296
>"Dutch"
his mother was probably Moroccan

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>>128761688
nigga shut fuck up, my family is from the north too, yeah we have light skin people in our family but we also have dark skinned people.

North mexico isnt as indio but the north is still undeniably brown. the average north mexican is brown thats a fact.

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>>128763296
ALLAH AKBHAR HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHHA

IM WHITER THAN A SPANISH MOOR RAPE BABY AHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>128760610
>But I still think there is more genetical difference between north and south than between east and west.
I think that too but west-east differences also exist. In general it could be summarised like this: North is more northern european and the south less, and west has more moorish ancestry and the east less.
>Phenotypical differences
That's true but also highly subjective. I don't need to leave Catalonia because here there are people from all over Spain so I can see the difference in phenotype is clear to me.

>the presence of Caucasian and Red Sea admixtures without any substantial Southwest Asian admixture generally points to a Neolithic origin.
The problems is that these are components which appear in many populations.
I'm certain caucasian wasn't brought by neolithics. Red sea maybe yes but also modern arabs score high on it so it could be both of them.
>pasiegos
This is just a small populated region and not very representative. You could have 1 single arab chief in a village of 50 persons 800 years ago who took lots of wives, and so did his children. His arab ydna would prevail but his autosomal dna would be diluted very much. This is what most likely happened in Pasiegos.

>>128761321
Funny that you don't mention the studies, which are by far the bigger proof.
>We estimate that the date of sub-Saharan African mixture in Portugal is 45±5 generations and in Spain is 55±3 generations.
This already tells everything.

>>128763554
>>128763482
her mothers maiden name is of Dutch origin "willemsen" , not Morrocan

>>128763687
youre fatter too

>>128763074
Catalunya is not Spain because there is no "Spain". Spain is a political project that gathers together castillians, basques, asturians/galicians, catallonians and south iberians.

I don't mention the others because there is no significant difference between other communities, those I mentioned represent all the iberian cultures/languages.

If we can't get along it is better to break up. But maybe we can't just because our politicians don't want to. I had a different opinion until the last year, but I went on a trip throught the north of Castilla, Asturias, The basque country, Navarra....and I found that the people there was great and I was able to relate with them very well.

>>128763687
You are still living in a shithole.
I hope that wall comes soon

>>128763880
>Catalunya is not Spain because there is no "Spain". Spain is a political project
*tips fedora*

>>128763748
>Funny that you don't mention the studies, which are by far the bigger proof.

Well, you sound convincing. But I still can't make my mind up. I need to think and read more about the topic. The Italian guy is also making sense.

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>>128763933
>You are still living in a shithole.

He calls the paradise shithole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8pVi6SUc4I

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>>128746411

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>>128762567
KYs

>>128751136
lel watching nig spics fling shit, you're all sub human compared to master race anglos.

>>128764268
She can come over any time.

>>128764268
We should also save your cucked country and conquer it again.
Reconquista soon

>>128746411
>Castilla part of Africa
Nigger

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>>128764298
oh I did this too

>>128763748

Your theory about pasiegos doesn't sounds convincing tho. It makes sense, theoretically but it is still counter intuitive. Here is why:

-The muslims never took over Cantabria.
-The autosomal african admixture is the same that elsewhere in central Iberia
-They have remained isolated hence they should have preserved their original genetic patters better, as basques.

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>>128764268
she should read our history, spaniards were tyrants.

we are a country, a sovereign one, not slaves.

they are a total dissaster, thats why halfof the penninsula wants its independece like euskadi and catalunya, they cant do anything well.

>>128762506
>there is no reason why it would need to spread out evenly in the whole peninsula
Well neolithic people were almost the same in all of Europe so...
>hell, a recent paper on Bell Beakers speaks of even 90% population replacement in Britain after the neolithic
And before the replacement the neolithic people there were like any other in Europe, and with no african admixture at all.
>wrong, check the Gokhem samples from Sweden
Ok 2 samples from a single site in Sweden out of hundreds which show 0 traces of african. I'd rather think this is due to contamination than anything else really.
Megalithic people left moorish ancestry in the top north of Europe but not inbetween? Nah.
>this paper is utter crap and its methodology has been debunked
How has it been debunked exatcly?

>>128753805
>>128754044
>>128755848
>>128757426

Keep preaching bro. The intellectual dishonesty of the "muh 2% nordic admixture"iberian memelords needs to be crushed.

We are our own creature and it's (((them))) that have tried time and time a again to re-interpret our history so we embrace our own ethnic genocide in favour of liberal multi-culti cancer.

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why isnt catalonia its own state by now?
redpill me on the catalans

>>128753263
You're not white spic gtfo people are tired of seeing your fat fucking face, no one likes you

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>>128765291
Iberian people and nation must unite.

>>128765410

Commie faggots basically. They want independence from Castille the same way Scottish SNP wants independence. So they can spite their former lords and install an even more degenerate commie faggot loving EU arse-kissing banana republic.

>>128765410
We are deceived by a bunch of bunco-artists in catallonia. I don't know how people can be this dumb.

I mean, I understand the sentiment in the current predicament, but the political parties leading the movement are DISGUSTING, both the left and the right.

>>128765410
They are a bunch of faggots who cry about "Muh Spain steals from us". But the two catalan nationalist parties can't even agree between them.

>>128765410
tldr master race

>>128765172
>Well neolithic people were almost the same in all of Europe so...
it's not so simple, that's why I said that in the case of Iberia we are talking about a different neolithic source which would've followed the north African coast instead of going straight into Europe from Anatolia following the northern coast of mainland rivers
how would you explain the R1b-V88 found in Iberia otherwise?(R1b-V88 peaks in central Africa today)

>And before the replacement the neolithic people there were like any other in Europe, and with no african admixture at all.
overall, kinda, yes, but it's not that simple
I've seen some tests where Otzi also shows some slight african input

> I'd rather think this is due to contamination than anything else really.
that's just damage control, really, unless you really want me to believe that somehow they all got damaged and manage to show exactly that similar 10% African
come on now

>Megalithic people left moorish ancestry in the top north of Europe but not inbetween? Nah.
already explained to it to you, steppe people invaded and radically changed Europe on a east-west gradient
the more west you go, the least steppe input you have, so the more archaic SNPs you can find

>How has it been debunked exatcly?
http://archive.is/wBDb

basically the authors reduce all human diversity between China and Africa on a one dimensional cline, and by wrongly assuming that central Europeans have 0% east Asian input, they conclude any shift towards africa must be due to african input, despite the fact that the assumption that CEU have 0% asian input holds no ground based on other statistics

>>128746411
VALENCIA IS SPAIN YOU KEK

It is the pinnacle of Spanish culture.

And we didn't get cucked in the civil war like Madrid and Barcelona

>>128765987
*R1b-V88 found in neolithic Iberia

>>128757595
fun fact, asturias and Galicia have high E haplogroup from North africa not because of the Moor occupation but it was from prehistoric people that moved there probably 10,000 bc

>>128766017
>Pinacle of spain culture
>Only known because of a disgusting rice dish

>>128766355
T. Judio returno

>>128766017
claro que sí tete

>>128765747
>>128765795
>>128765827
i see thanks
do you want commieluña to separate? would that benefit either party?

>>128765987
I am saving this conversation, just so you know.

>>128766457
T. Mexican faggot

>>128766283
We have been talking about this. Read the thread.

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>>128766615
no problem lad

>>128746411
>Guadalajara is in Spain

HOLY FUCK you guys literally are the Mexico of Europe. I always thought that shit hole was in Mexico, but apparently Spain is full of cartels too.

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>>128766615
This is spain
Ignore tax and manpower tributaries

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>>128766958
Spain is the worst Mexico.

>>128766493
>commie
we've always voted a centrist, economically liberal party. Don't fall for the castilejew lies

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>>128767104
The spanish nation is whole.

>>128767401
This election they allied then self with the left fags from Esquerra. They aren't centrist anymore, they are cucked as fuck .

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>>128751805
fuck off (again) judío.

>>128766017
Valencia is a shithole you nigger. Apart from large cities like alicante and benidorm and valencia its all just inbred farmer towns full of morrocans, weed smokers, people with no job, and bydlo-tier englishmen.

>>128767791
>Says the divide and conquer Jew

>>128767375
>worst mexico
>implying something can be worse than mexico

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>>128768212
Yes, Spain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEUqcFz17Fc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDtQ8HfWyKE

>>128763048
i certainly do

>>128749948

Toledo Ohio is the human trafficking capital of the US.

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>>128767401
I am blood of your blood flesh of your flesh, spirit of your spirit, why do you want to weaken us?

>>128768577
Only the Jew wants to weaken the blood flesh and spirit

>>128768113
>divide and conquer
>said the separatist
Seriously, why don't you rise in arms and try it again?
Maybe this time you will be crushed forever.

>>128768813
I am not a separatist? I was responding to a South-North separatist. Read his posts and read my posts.

>>128768813
They are trying it politically now, but they will also fail.
They can't win against the Spanish Empire

>>128746411
I was in Valencia about 10 years ago. I probably never have seen a more beautiful city.

Did it get blacked?

>>128764186
>>128765006
I'm not 100% sure about moorish ancestry in Iberia being from muslim invasions of the medieval ages but after all the genetic stuff I've seen I'm inclined to believe it is true. Still not completely sure because there are many things to study yet but most evidence point that way.

About the pasiegos I just said what sounds more logical to me but can't prove it.
The same thing (huge ydna impact but low autosomal) happened many times and in many places before. For example the people from south America being mestizos and yet most of their ydna is from spanish males but very few of native males. Or how basques have low indo-european total ancestry and yet they have the highest R1b in Europe.

From what I've read the reason of higher moorish ancestry in western Iberia is because most of the muslim population lived in the east (Aragon, Valencia and Granada) and they were expelled because native people hated them, many took ships back to North Africa but others left for regions where they were tolerated because muslim concentration was low there. I don't know if this is true but could be a satisfactory explanation. Also there are documented muslim slaves in Galicia.

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This is the only and objective truth

>>128770327
Spain is a colony of Germany.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AUf1gQ2c_s

España es una puta verguenza.

>>128770327
Whole Spain got blacked. 20 years ago when I was 10 you would see one black or one arab each year. Now you see dozens everyday.

>>128771677
(((EU)))

>>128765987
Despite your objections a medieval origin is more likely. All you have provided to prove a neolithic origin is a map of megalithic culture (which only affects the northernmost tip of Morocco thus it can't be a source of population) and 2 samples from Sweden which clearly differ from all the rest.

And what Dienekes said have nothing to do with what I said. He mentions that part of the SSA ancestry in southern europeans is not real, but even him admits that it exists. The real issue is that the study found it to be from 55 generations ago, so from the medieval time.
And the other study (not the Moorjani one) also arrives to the same conclusion with a different metodology.

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>>128771463

Majorca is a German colony consisting of old, naked, fat fucks.

>>128771901
Maybe from canarians.

>>128753151
andalusians are half moors themselves

>>128772503
"Andalusians"
Maybe (((andalusians))), being from
South spain and being white makes you indistinguishable from other regions, saying andalusians are half moors is like saying basques are quarter black because blk population is 25%, keep being educated by filthy kike lies about regionalism.

>>128771901
>He mentions that part of the SSA ancestry in southern europeans is not real, but even him admits that it exists.

Well at this point it would be retarded to say that it doesn't exist at all. We don't need any genetic study for that. Due to geographical position, wars and migratory movements, some admixture must exist.

The point is that it is much less than what you would expect, and it is not necessarily of medieval origin. I find hard to believe that nobody crossed the strait of gibraltar before medieval or even historical times.

>>128763048
Euros don't work Pedro, that's why they are slowly dyingn

>>128763687

Jajaja Se me antojaron unas carnitas.

>>128772862
FUck off kike

>>128772386
Valencia too. I've seen a fuckton of Krauts here. It's happening, Spain will speak German in about 30 years.

>>128765987
Just to add that R1b-V88 spread from the middle east, going to Europe and Africa. The middle east is the source. And you can't prove a North African route, cardial people followed a northern mediterranean route and that's already settled.

>that's just damage control
It's not damage control. If you have a hundred samples which are the same and then 2 outliers which doesn't make sense in a place which make even less sense, what conclusion do you take? Better explain how north african ancestry appeared in the neolithic in Sweden but not anywhere else in Europe, not even in Iberia.

>steppe people invaded and radically changed Europe on a east-west gradient
More like north-south. But neither other ancient samples from Sweden have african admixture nor do the modern population from the region. Just those 2 outliers.

>>128750764
That would be funny, Spain is falling apart as it is

>>128771901
I have provided much more but you just ignore it.
For one, the earliest traces of megalithic culture are found in the Levant and later in Iberia when it comes to Europe, thus a path from Levant to Iberia following north Africa is a good explanation, otherwise we would see Megalithic cultures more in the Balkans and east/central Europe, where they are completely absent(Megalithic is largely an Atlantic/med phenomena). Second of all, you ignored interesting finds in neolithic Iberia such as R1b-V88, found still at low frequencies in the Levant, Sardinia and peaking in central Africa.
Third, the samples from Sweden are not just like the others since they specifically belong to a different culture, a megalithic one. Not all neolithic cultures of Europe were megalithic, certainly not the earliest ones.

The timing of the admixture becomes irrelevant if they can't even get the admixture right. Not to mention that molecular clocks are hardly that precise. Even that second study you posted warned about this.

You for one didn't really provide any explanation for the patter of admixture and what sort of medieval event could produce such atlantic/western concentration. One would expect a north/south gradient, instead it has more of a west/east gradient.

In any case, the explanation could be multiple. Maybe some did enter during the middle ages, but maybe some also entered during antiquity with the important Phoenician/Carthaginan presence.

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>>128771463
Menorca is superior anyway

>>128752338
>Marx
>German
lmao

>>128773491
>R1b-V88 spread from the middle east, going to Europe
beep, there isn't a single R1b-V88 in more than 100 neolithic samples from Europe except in Iberia

>cardial people followed a northern mediterranean route and that's already settled.
not a megalithic culture

>If you have a hundred samples which are the same
beep, wrong, different cultures and timelines
you are making it clear you have no idea what you are talking about

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>>128773237
Tenerife and Menorca the same: Cabbage eaters everywhere. They are the worst fucking tourists...always whining about why ______ isn't more like Germany. Go to some beach, lots of people having a good time, then the German couples shows up and strips nude. Helmet, 57, struts around like a pierced and plucked peacock; Petra, 55, has skin like a leather purse and chain smokes Camels. At least once a day they wander up into the dunes, where she lets other creeper Krauts toss their load onto her as Helmet makes videos.

The worst fucking tourists...

>>128773555
You're talking nonsense. Megaliths were build all over the world by very different people. The european megalithic culture in your pic here >>128759482 was build by european neolithic people who came from the middle east with the Cardial culture (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cardium_pottery). As I said this is already settled and there was no source of people from the neolithic era coming from North Africa.
>The timing of the admixture becomes irrelevant if they can't even get the admixture right.
...
No comment on this.
>You for one didn't really provide any explanation for the patter of admixture and what sort of medieval event could produce such atlantic/western concentration.
I did here >>128770783
Now it's your turn to provide a sample from Iberia prior to the middle ages with african admixture.

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>>128746411
>tfw 100% asturian

>>128776576
If you are asturian why did you end up in cocaine farms?

>>128749750
This. I'm pretty sure taco bell even serves toledos

>>128763687
You might want to cut out bean and cheese out of your diet, grande puto.

>>128775987
>was build by european neolithic people who came from the middle east with the Cardial culture
top kek, Cardial culture has nothing to do with megalithic culture, you are mixing up different cultures once again, putting all neolithic under one banner
as far as we are aware, the earliest signs of megalithism in west Eurasia are in the Levant

>Now it's your turn to provide a sample from Iberia prior to the middle ages with african admixture.
I am not aware of Iberian samples from megalithic cultures unfortunately.

>>128777241
anyway, there's a recent paper on Iberian Bell Beakers, once they release the SNP data publicly we are going to check if they already had said north African signals or not

>>128751608
Return the Peninsula its Wisconsin clay
>>128752210
holy shit its true

>>128778162
How can I keep track of his? I am interested too.