Taxes

Bumping in dire need of holding me. Come on you damn bastards, hold me.

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Thanks for the tendies, wagey.

>>128722166
>My brutto was 5200€, after all the taxes, I get to keep 1770€ netto for myself.

sounds like bullshit

>>128722166
>tfw Croatia's taxes are better than Slovenia's
Is this the Twilight Zone?

>>128723886

I included VAT on after tax money left, because after all, I don't get to keep those 23%, do I? Does it still sound like bullshit?

>>128723788
t. Bosanac

>>128723951
Higher salaries have progressively worse tax brackets right up to nightmare mode.

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>>128724205
>working for a country that rips you off whatever way it can
Nope.

>>128724529

You do realise if we all paid we would (probably) all pay less, right?

When are you going back?

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>>128724659
>if we all paid we would (probably) all pay less
HAHAHAHAHAH
They'll just tax you even more because they now know the people will gladly pay up like the subservient little shits they are.

>>128724529
>>128724659
Not sure if true but it normally is an excuse used by the people from down south to not work and to scam others.

In the end you work for yourself. If you dont want your taxes to go to someone else have children and the taxes will go back to your family.

Taxes should be lowered slightly but most welfare recipents should be cut off

>>128724870

Yeah and they would steal the excess. Fucking shit man, I'm gonna abandon this socialist shithole, seriously. 3.5k€ in a single month...I'm going to off myself

>>128724870
Some taxes are good but the taxes in our country are too high. Also a lot of new laws get passed to scam people of their money even further.

Like remember the new policy where you have to register a bike with a motor?

>>128724970
Look up how much of a hassle it is to get a gun license. The gun training itself is relatively cheap but then you get taxed like 4 times and spend extra 150 euros

>>128724917

Yeah, but then I would have to pay for daycare, which of course will be the highest bracket while gypsies and -ićs will have for free.

>>128725069
Fuck that, we're one of the only three countries in the world with tax on rain. TAX ON RAIN !!

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>tfw I literally pay Chad to impregnate Stacy every month and they are buying houses on my fucking money

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>>128722166
I've heard taxes are bad in Europe, but that should be called RAPE.
In US in 50-60's top rate was 90%.

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But you are good goy. Thanks, shabat shalom.

im smoking weed and playing video games all day swag

>>128725486

>Slovenia
>Europe

Top kek. More like priavte business owners are so deep into politics they can lobby foreign investors to prevent them to establish competition and thus drive salaries up. There's NOTHING European about us.

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>>128722166
The welfare state was a mistake and is going to be the death of modern civilization , it is bringing us to idiocracy style civilization.
Want to look the long term effects of a welfare state? Dont look at eurocucks , they started the welfare state crap in the 1960s look at brasil ,argentina and venezuela , that started the welfare state shit in the 1910s.

IT WILL TAX THE SMART TO NEGATIVE FERTILITY AND CREATE A UNDERCLASS OF RETARDS THAT NEED GOVERNMENT FOR EVERYTHING TO SURVIVE

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>>128722166

But he pays his coffee himself, janshist.

>>128722166
>t third world liar slav cunt

>>128726395

I'm really thinking about moving to USA. I literally feel this country holding me back. I am taxed through my ass because my salary is "too high" (which is not that high, just maybe 300% of average, which really still isn't huge money). I am getting sick of paying for retards around me.

>>128726626
Hope you never loose a job and find yourself on the side of spectrum, you greedy cunt

>>128726626

Moving to murica is very hard , visas are rarely given unless you can buy an investor visa , have a rare talent , or win a fucking lottery.

But if you have family members or a know company , they can sponsor you if you can move to murica consider yourself fortunate.

And do it without any doubt , no reason why you need to spent your life as a battery for the welfare state that previous generations voted so they could have free shit.

>>128726892
I was hoping for an in through a company. I have a very specific, very uncommon engineering skillset that is in high demand (hence my salary). I've seen salaries start from $100k in the US, which isn't amazing compared to Europe, but at least I'd get to keep my money and not spend it all on gipsies and bosnians.

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>>128726787
>wanting to keep your money is greedy
>taking it by force isn't

>>128726787
66% of his fucking income is being taken by the state , that is not being greedy , that is being vampirized by the state.

>>128722166
>make 110ish a year before taxes
>73 after taxes
When my fiancé and I are married it will be better but I'm currently paying almost 40g to the Feds and the state of Mississippi so Shawnice and antuwon can feed their 8 kids in some shit hole in the delta

>>128726626
Welfare rewards people for doing nothing, becoming nothing, creating nothing. Anti-Darwinism !!

>>128722166
That's what happens when you vote for communists..

Share the wealth, by which they mean just yours.

>>128722166
>Free College
>Free Healthcare

Nothing is free, just because you don't get a bill after the service doesn't mean you don't pay.

In fact, if you are a healthy hard working individual you probably pay more for "free" college and healthcare via taxes than what you would pay if you paid for it directly

The state can make you pay indirectly by:
- Raising income taxes (obvious)
- Raising more indirect taxes (VAT, etc)
- Printing Money (this will dilute the value of your own money essentially stealing value from you via inflation)

>>128727043
Then do it , just look at the prices of things like cars or houses in murica.

Im going to assume you already spent years of your life studying for that skillset , use it to enjoy your life not to pay for others shit.

Its one thing to pay taxes its another to have 66% of your income being taken.

In murica you will pay a house in 30 years payments , have a car without taxes , have an entire country to choose , can pay a plane ticket to travel from on side of the country to the other for one day of working at mcdonalds.

Fucking muricans dont know how good they have it .

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Funny that VAT is supposed to be paid by those who add the value yet they simply add it to the price tag and you pay it for them

>>128727231

I have already calculated it and I have paid EVERYTHING - and more - to my country back and I'm not even 30 yet. I have paid back the costs my country had with me to get me to this point, so I no longer feel in debt to it.

>>128727282
Yeah, I devoted my entire young adulthood (18-27) to reaching this point, so it infuriates me I have to pay for the lazy and dumb around me, who never worked hard for a day in their life.

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>>128727107
>>128727231

THIS 100%

Hard to see such based individuals in first world countries where you dont see the two coins of the welfare state shit.

Nothing is free , those free things are being paid by insane taxes and inflation(that destroy credit).

So you end up having "free shit" , but have to live with your fathers till 30 years old since there is no credit due to inflation and have to pay insane taxes via vat and import tarriff all your life.

You muricans buying new shit online and you baiscally get assraped paying 4 times the price due to taxes .

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California stem newgrad here. Work hard for 6 figure salary, they said. Too bad I didnt know 6 fig salary means $162000 bc california is too busy helping blacks on welfare and affirm action so lets take all the asian americans silicon valley engineering money, even though its already expensive as fuck here bc all the jews own all the real estate and we need to pay their goyim prices. Fuck this system

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>>128722166
I don't understand why some people still call our economic system a "free market". This is fucking Socialism!

>>128726626
Pay me 100k and I'll sham marry you for citizenship

>>128727082
>implying that Shawnice and Antuwon love together and that Shawnice has eight niglets with one tyrone
Nigger pls.

>>128726626
>>128727545
Where would it be good to move in the US to pay less taxes and have a higher salary?
I have a phd, and I guess I could make it too, find a job and stuff.
In Taiwan it is 20% tax for my income bracket (35k-70k), in Italy before it was 23%, would it be better in the US?

>>128722166
Well, do like the rest of your european brethren and learn how to operate on the black market. I remember how the price of things would drop as soon I indicated I was willing to pay in cash.

>>128722166
>paying taxes
Ask your boss to pay you under the table you cuck.

>>128730087
>>128730271

I don't want to work ilegally.

>>128729994
I hear good things about texas

Get a remote job in a US company. Then:
- do your taxes as a single person company registered in Poland
- US companies are fine with that, just convince them that they should hire you and let you work remotely (target small companies with no stiff rules)
- Poland and Slovenia are both in EU so its possible
- you can choose to pay linear 19% income tax as a small company in Poland
- your only monthly invoice is from outside EU so no VAT
- if you buy stuff related to your work then these are expenses so your tax gets even lower

It's a no brainer.

>>128730271
No wonder your country is bankrupt.
> Heavily socialist policies
> Funded via loan money (Germoney)
> Citizens actively trying to avoid paying taxes

Be socialist & pay taxes or don't. Pick one.

Hold on I'll look at my last pay stubs. I also get dicked by paying 600 in child support a month

Well OP someone needs to pay for Jamal, his harem and his 10 kids. And Shlomo wants a part of the pie too.

>>128730567
Nah, you're still paying 20% federal income tax here. No state tax though.

>>128722166
Are you serious. My mum's family is from Slovenia. I was looking somewhere to go this summer, I'm going to accidentally cum inside so many girls.

>>128722166
I live in Texas and I'm just a trade fuck

I made 2528 on a 79 hour check. I get paid every 2 weeks.

taxes I paid 495.38

Health insurance/dental for my son and I
83.41

Child support 308.31

I take home 1640.90

What saves my ass is that I moved in with my girlfriend. Her grandmother gave her the house we live in.

>>128730608
Interesting. Thanks, I'm going to look into that.

>>128731896
Sure, have fun.

wtf, worse taxes than in germ-money!

>>128729872
I'm a guy btw.

>>128731939
Thanks, you actually delivered. This doesn't look that bad. 20% vs. nearly 70% and Texas has lower prices in general except real estate. Child support is your own fault desu and insurance isn't much more than here.

>>128730723
The only people who support """"""""""""socialism"""""""""""" in Greece are the ones who are getting paid to sit around, and our government made sure that there are a lot of them. Greek taxpayers are pretty much slaves at this point.

i earn 35,000 a year (studying aswell) and pay around 25% of it to tax.

Free healthcare
Uni ill have to pay back later

>>128732226
I think you can get a greencard through gay marriage now. Pol should use it to increase european immigration to the states.

Surey theres some creative ways that accountants can do something so you pay no tax?

As soon as i graduate i'm going to find myself a nice greek/italian/jew accountant and tell them straight up that i want to pay as little tax as possible. I've worked for the government and been on the receiving end of their contract money. trust me you don't want to give a cent more than you have to.

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>>128732327
Crash your state with no survivors.

A great new state shall rise from the ashes.

>>128722166
Well, consider that every time you buy something you pay even more taxes. That's socialism for you. Sometimes it feels like there is no point in working.

>>128732845
I'd rather kill myself than fake being a faggot.

>>128732852
Only as an enterpreneur, not as a wagecuck

>>128732882
I included VAT already in OP

>>128733060
Set up a small business whee you sell collectables. Could be stamps, fancy cutlery, tea pots. Then claim everything on tax for it. Would only need a couple of grand to get going.

>>128732226
Is free health insurance all its cracked out to be?

I always hear people talk about how create it is and how we as America suck major add at it.

>>128731939
>child support
Ultra-cuck detected.

>>128729994
I don't know Taiwanon. I live in SF, California and after everything is taken out of my checks it's about 36%. Texas, Seattle, Oregon are all probably better.

>>128733060
Do you get VAT return for everything you buy? Here, we only get a return from very specific purchases, depending on profession.

>>128733249

I would still be paying same taxes on my job, but with even higher expenditures due to enterpreneurship (you have to pay something like 300€ a month minimum to run a business).

What is viable is employing yourself full time under such a business and as a part time job for main job, then basically handing out service bills from your company to your main employer. The problem then is I have 0 job security, they can "fire" me any day for whatever reason.

>>128733448
First of all, IT'S NOT FREE. If I heard anyone say that to my face I'd kill him. Second of all, socialistic healthcare is SHIT. My gf spent 6 (SIX!) hours today waiting at the clinic just to be checked and told "drink lots of fluids and rest".

>>128733686
You never get VAT return on anything, ever, unless you're a business owner, then you can write purchases under expenditures.

>>128733448
I think it's decent if you have a population that isn't retarded. If people are using the ER for petty shit then that will drive costs up. It can also increase wait time if the government doesn't want to spend as much money on health care (you get a bottleneck).

>>128724115

You do. No one includes VAT.

So what do you actually get? Around 2500?

I earned 4,000 EUR before taxes and took 2,300 EUR home, thanks to being married. You get a tax bonus if you are. Otherwise I'd loose another 300 to 400 EUR. The 1,700 EUR taken do include health insurance, income tax, unemployment insurance, care insurance, statutory pension insurance and something we call solidarity fee.

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>>128722166
I feel your pain, bro. I pay 42 percent here in Jewrmany and used to pay 6 percent in Russia. And that's on top of crazy gas, electricity and internet prices because of all the monopolies and regulations. Fuck this commie country and fuck these fucking politicians.

>>128733955

That's not true.
A single earning 4000 gets to keep 2400.
A married person a bit more.

>>128733842
> My gf spent 6 (SIX!) hours today waiting at the clinic just to be checked and told "drink lots of fluids and rest".
Your gf wasted 'your' money and should have googled first then. Unfortunately you can't get tested for everything under the sun in the 0.001% chance that whatever symptoms are actually an indication of something serious

>>128734054
That's what my paycheck says, so I guess it is true.

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>>128726787
Commie detected.

>>128733863
2300€.

>>128734137
No, she needs doctors approval to stay home on sick leave. She HAD to go, by law.

>>128734163

Can I have a photo or something?
If I enter your data here, I get far more than 1700e out. And that matches my experience.

https://www.nettolohn.de/

>>128734378

So your top tax rate is higher than in Germany, despite worse government services and far, far less foreigners.

Amazing.

Taxes are gey https://youtu.be/DkmdvvCGhzw

I feel your pain I'm a Califag

>>128734463

Are you seriously comparing Germany to Slovenia? Man, we only wish we were you. Wish, as in wishful thinking, no basis with reality.

Part of it is also we increased taxes to avoid going full Greece mode during the crisis, as we wanted to pay our bills ourselves.

>>128734391
I ran my data and it gave me an estimated 2,700 EUR. Maybe I just didn't do as much on-call as the last month, that sometimes lowers my income by a couple hundred bucks.

So I got my first tax sheet today and I don't get it. Dohodek and Prispevki makes sense, but Stroški and Olajšava? The fuck is that.

>>128734739
government jewry

>>128734739

Stroški = malica in prevoz na delovno mesto

Olajšava = ... olajšava. Recimo otroci, poročen status, vzdrževani člani ipd.

>>128734693
Has to be the case, because I earned a similar salary and got around 2400 out.

>>128734667
You also will have less workers and more pensioners each year from now on. Prepare for trouble!

>>128734937

No, we have unlimited resources migrating in from Serbia and Bosnia.

At least they're white, I suppose. Still better than niggers and Ahmeds.

>>128734871
So the first one is to my benefit (i.e. I spend 7€ on a bus, I get it returned at the end of the month?). Olajšava makes sense too now, am a student and still vzdrževan član.

>>128735109
Yes, it's a communistic relic, you're paid back what you spent on lunch and what you spent on driving to workplace. Germans have this returned in taxes at end of year, they call it "pendlerpauschale". We get this money back each month and it's tax free.

Yes, you're a vzdrževan član until you're a fully contributing member of family (i.e. not a student).

>>128722166
>>128722976
I earn €134 a day. Somehow, only €90 of that reaches my bank account. And that's the lowest tax tier. Don't get me started on 21% sales tax and the absolute plethora of other bs taxes which eat away more than 65% of all the money earned in my country. The government is leeching this country dry to pay for gibs and rapefugees

>>128735329
>Germans have this returned in taxes at end of year, they call it "pendlerpauschale".
You get .30 EUR for every kilometer, but only for one way. If you drive 30 km to work and 30 km back, you only get 9 bucks for the whole trip.

>>128735329
>Yes, you're a vzdrževan član until you're a fully contributing member of family (i.e. not a student).

Not for much longer though, thank god. Hvala ti.

>>128726787
>João livimg on the dole

And nobody was surprised

>>128735523
Yea, but that easily covers gas and then some.

>>128735627
Np, just ask if you want to know anything else.

>>128735771
Go back to eating raw a bread, Jort

>>128736075
At least I can pay for my own bread, you filthy parasite

>>128736075
>>128736165
European unity in action.

>>128736338

It will never fucking work man, just annex Austria and südsteiermark and let's leave this planet together.

Commiefornia takes about 15k from my paycheck every year , and another 10k for my house and probably as much again in sales taxes.

Then I pay an (((accountant))) a huge amount of money to get me as much back as possible so it doesn't go to illegals and feral dindu spawn.

>>128736550
15k a year? That's nothing. What percentage is that of your income?

>>128736755
Bout 8%, but this is america, where fkin local and federal govt takes your money. Federal tax takes like 20%

>>128737149
What is the sales tax in USA? How much is it? Can't you just leave commiefornia or are you tied to a job?

>>128732852
Tax Accountants: Jewish protection racket

>>128722166
It's also bad in America. In 2014 I paid $7K in taxes. 2015 I had a massive business loss so I paid $0. Well I'm being audited now and they're claiming I owe $100K+. They're energy vampires, trying to steal the money (energy) you've created.

>>128722166
You are like a child, try living in a country where the government takes so many from the people that low and low middle class workers cant even afford to live without gibs and middle class are living like wage slaves compared to other countries to even the gibs out.

t. country with the 2nd highest effective tax

>>128737535

Why are you implying it's not exactly the same here? We have 9th highest income tax in Europe by the way, Germany is 12th.

>>128733485
Wew lad
Because taking responsibilities like an adult and supporting your son financially is such a cuck thing to do.
Kill yourself you mouth breathing mongoloid.

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>>128737535
>try living in a country where the government takes so many from the people that low and low middle class workers cant even afford to live without gibs and middle class are living like wage slaves
Exactly w.. what are you doing in Germany Pepik?

>>128737269
Depends on the state.

Some states have zero sales tax.

Others have as high as 9% i think.

>>128738503

I was wrong. Apparently 7.25% is the highest sales tax (CA)

>>128722166
You can compare this to having 2-3 kids that you have to pay child support for in USA

>>128738744
>7.25%
That's surprisingly low.

> live in monaco
> pay no tax whatsoever

>>128739054
>insert libertarian meme here
How does your nation finance itself?

>>128737760
>We have 9th highest income tax in Europe by the way, Germany is 12th.
Nope you are not.
http://www.keepeek.com/Digital-Asset-Management/oecd/taxation/taxing-wages-2017_tax_wages-2017-en#page14

>>128738744
That's...not that bad, actually.

>>128739054
But Monaco actually isn't a country, it's an artificially created entity.

>>128739230
Yes we are
http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/sites/default/files/legacy/taxfacts/content/PDF/oecd_historical_toprate.pdf

Obviously it depends on how the statistics is prepared, but I do admit yours is more relevant as mine looks at max income tax while yours looks at average. Regardless, this is a race to the bottom. "Nu-uh, you only pay 53% income tax, while I have to pay 54.5%!"

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Pre WW1 Tax rates are comfy.

IIRC British Empire top tax rate during victorian times was something like 4% and was pretty high for the time.

FUCKING 4%!

Where the fuck is our tax money being funnelled to.

>>128739648
>Where the fuck is our tax money being funnelled to
Oh, lots of money is simply wasted. We have something called the black book, where a private organisation looks into tax waste. We have bridges build for millions that nobody can use because they are too narrow, we have roads getting build, then demolished a year afterwards just to be rebuild the same way a year later.
Add these up and you'll end up with billions.

>>128739230
If you take in account wage tax and your buying power you can still acutally buy some neat stuff with the money. Even if you pay more for housing and services you can buy new gayphone each month, I have to save for it like 5 months. Not that I want one. I'm not even talking about saving for a new car.

>>128739549
You are comparing max tax rate, which dosent mean really that much when it only applies to people earning ~100k or more in your country, which is like the top <1% of you country that already live like kings, simply because they earn more than >99% of the country.

>>128739648
Well, the debt is rising and we are certainly not paying the main debt, just the ever increasing interest rates, so I'm guessing this is a large contributing factor. The answer isn't so simple though. Gibs, socialism, etc. all contribute.

>>128740105
Yeah, agreed, your source is more relevant.

>>128739167
Monaco pays for everything only from VAT.
Hospitals, police, fire, schools and social services. 35,000 residents don't pay any personal tax.

>>128739549
No, it is an actual country with its own monarchy.

>>128722166
>that face when the middle class is taxed into oblivion while the poor get to participate in a wealth redistribution scheme designed to bring about a Marxist NWO ruled by the elites who didn't pay anything -- other than the blood, sweat, and tears of others -- to get it.

>>128740898

Yup, pretty much sums it up.

>>128739549
I don't know what you do for a living, but it might be worth you proposing to your employer to work freelance for him. Then open a company in a very low jurisdiction like Bulgaria or Cyprus which is 10% to invoice him, and put as many things as possible as company owned so you only need to pay yourself a tiny wage. Your company can pay your rent or own your house.

>>128741333

I have thought about this, but this gives me 0 job security. They can get rid of me on a daily basis, basically. I have thought about freelancing worldwide, not being tied into a single employer, but I need more contacts for that.

>>128741535
You can still make a one year contract with him to be renewed annually for security. Plus, as he wont have to pay the social charges for you as an employee, it might be a much better option for him. Could be a win for both of you. Why would he take another employee and pay charges for when you take care of your own ? Just get an annual contract for the supply of services.

>>128742298

Thanks for the advice, I have to look into the legality of this and if it's even possible.

>>128726395
It's like Rome and the bread dole.
>An entire population of people subsisting on the governments handouts. Government completely reliant on shipments of grain from Egypt. Huge group of gibmedats with voting power.

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Taxes around 32%. California.

>>128742459
You can open a company online in Romania or Cyprus or Delaware and never have to go there. Also, you can have the company bank account on your own country. Even if you offer you boss 4500 a month as freelancer, he will be happy, and you will take home 4000 after 10% tax

>>128725247
and we have the highest VAT in the world.
disgusting :(

>>128743667
Thanks for reminding me about starting a retirement plan.

Do you just shove it into a savings account or how do you invest your money into retirement.

How do euros defend the VAT anyway?
Doesn't such a flat tax screw over the poor?

>>128746847

The manufacturers must pay value added tax on their goods. In practice, VAT is just added on top of everything and the consumers pay it.

We don't defend it, we just gobble it up like the good little goys that we are.

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>taxes